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Speaker 2: D be Mollie and welcome to David sat In our

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Speaker 2: economy there are numbers galore. Projects to shedload more workers

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the day, seven past six. Couple of big

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Speaker 2: deal economic numbers today. One, the world is on edge

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Speaker 2: because America matters. Where they go, we all go. Not

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Speaker 2: our economy went backwards, and what makes that worse is

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Speaker 2: but went backwards in Q two. The next time we

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Speaker 2: This has been a winter of real discontent. We continue

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Speaker 2: the entire world that we would compare ourselves to that

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Speaker 2: will have experienced three recessions as a result of their

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Speaker 2: response to COVID. In the States, the only level of

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Speaker 2: And that really was a bunch of nervous nellies who,

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Speaker 2: It's where we have been and maybe, just maybe there

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Speaker 2: beyond the shadow of a doubt, is when you vote,

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Speaker 2: think about who it is you hand the power to,

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Speaker 2: because the wrong hands can cause untold damage.

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Speaker 2: Is rightly strike again. We think this time with exploding

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Speaker 3: There was something perhaps in car radios. One of the

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Speaker 2: See, everyone assumes it's Israel.

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Speaker 4: We don't know if Israel were behind the second wave

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Speaker 2: The outworking of it. All is his below have been

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Speaker 5: They're all trying to find out what's going on. They're

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Speaker 2: And then to the stites where these lawyers running solid

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Speaker 6: These were adults in a relationship. This is a ten

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Speaker 2: And as far as the Gulf Coles Trump miss is concerned,

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Speaker 7: He liked to run his mouth and played the victim.

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Speaker 7: You know, he felt the city was always against him

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Speaker 2: As mister Trump, He's got a why they want to

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Speaker 8: You know, only consequential presidents get shot at when I

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Speaker 2: missed it, it's fifty points so more analysis in a moment,

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Speaker 2: UK two point two on inflation. They expected two point two,

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Speaker 2: tech fourteen past Andrew Kella A good morning, very good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: So we're wrong. It wasn't twenty five.

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Speaker 12: I thought they would go twenty five and that was

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Speaker 12: I suppose the hot money was pitching where it would land.

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Speaker 12: There was a theory prior to the decision that subtle

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Speaker 12: Straight away we've seen long term years fall. But what

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Speaker 12: We can see this is when you look in the numbers.

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Speaker 12: At one stage they were predicting the unemployment rate to

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Speaker 12: This decision was not unanimous. One FED member did dissent.

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Speaker 12: Descents are unusual, which seems to seems to imply that

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Speaker 11: I suppose in terms of reaction.

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Speaker 12: Anyway, they've had to pass these resolutions, so more shares

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Speaker 11: It was twenty seven point six.

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Speaker 12: That the problem we've got here is what we want

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Speaker 12: deficit Mike, and it's not.

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Speaker 11: It's flatlining.

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Speaker 12: For that level of comfort, we want to see it improving. Look,

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Speaker 12: it's not a market mover, and it moves very slowly,

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Speaker 12: a small improvement there hasn't happened exactly. Numbers please right,

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Speaker 12: Over half a percent, five six six three in the

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Speaker 17: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything actually stopping you getting on with it?

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Speaker 17: Well, I guess ultimately it's not up to us as

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Speaker 17: Because what happened under the Tippukinger model, I guess could

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Speaker 17: Look, I wouldn't claim that the old model was perfect,

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Speaker 2: So any other industry, would they be all arguing the

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Speaker 17: It did work and it did not operate at a loss.

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Speaker 2: That was the argument at the time. Not everything was broken.

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Speaker 17: So under the Tatoo King, a model standard setting was

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Speaker 17: We know that the best people in the automotive industry

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Speaker 17: You know the purpose of the vacational education system should

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Speaker 2: Are going to You're making far too much since you've

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your insight. Le Mars shall be empty Chief Executive.

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Speaker 2: Who would have thought that the Minister of Education Chris

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Speaker 2: of evidence that would back you up. Morning, Mike. While

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Speaker 13: Seven international correspondence with ends and eye insurance surveyed for

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Speaker 13: New Zealand Business Italy Joe.

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Speaker 18: How are you, I'm great, Mike how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well? And how about Keyo Stara than Go.

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Speaker 2: I found it fascinating to the extent that you couldn't

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Speaker 2: find two more diametrically opposed current leaders, could you Maloney

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Speaker 2: on the right and Kio Starmer on the lift, both

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Speaker 2: looking for some sort of common ground over migrants exactly.

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Speaker 18: And I knew you'd be wondering if Maloney's relationship was

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Speaker 18: similar to her relationship with his predecessor, Rishi Sunak. But

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Speaker 18: it seems like they did get on very well. Lots

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Speaker 18: of compliments both ways. Starma obviously admires what Italy has

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Speaker 18: done with immigration. It's a much tougher task, I think

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Speaker 18: for him dealing with migrants coming across the channel that

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Speaker 18: it is across the Mediterranean.

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Speaker 2: But they didn't.

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Speaker 18: Agree on everything. They did not seem to agree on

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Speaker 18: the use of long range missiles in Russia. That's something

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Speaker 18: that was non negotiable for Maloney. But Starmer is certainly

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Speaker 18: very interested in what the Italians are doing with the

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Speaker 18: controversy Albanian migrant centers, which are due to open I

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Speaker 18: think later this month.

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Speaker 2: What's the difference because Starma killed Rwanda and yet Italy's

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Speaker 2: got Albania and Italy is seen as a success story.

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Speaker 2: So well, what's he actually looking to achieve, what's he

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Speaker 2: looking to do, what's acceptable, what's not?

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Speaker 18: Well, I don't know that he can adopt the same model,

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Speaker 18: but certainly the Italians have invested in Albania. It's a

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Speaker 18: NATO ally, it's trying to seek EU membership Albania. Can

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Speaker 18: the UK try and send migrants there? Well, the Italians

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Speaker 18: are going to pick up migrants in the Mediterranean, and

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Speaker 18: if they don't have a good reason to be that

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Speaker 18: they're going to be sent to Albania. It could be

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Speaker 18: quite a different task for the Brits to do the

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Speaker 18: same thing.

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Speaker 2: Give me the word on this defection. What's happened here?

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Speaker 18: Well, we're talking about a member of the Mussolini family.

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Speaker 18: So this is Mussolini. She's the granddaughter of the fascist dictator.

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Speaker 18: She's been part of brother of Italy, Georgia Maloney's party,

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Speaker 18: but after twenty years she says she wants something more moderate,

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Speaker 18: and so she's defected to Forts Italia, the old party

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Speaker 18: of Berlusconi. She thinks that Maloney's too hardline on lgbto

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Speaker 18: Q and gay marriage as and she wants to see

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Speaker 18: children of migrants becoming Italian citizens, which is still a

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Speaker 18: big issue in this country.

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Speaker 2: So she moved from the party or the parties moved

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Speaker 2: away from her would be the a she's moved.

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Speaker 18: Away from the party.

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Speaker 2: Actually looking got soft in her old age is what

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Speaker 2: we're saying. She still looks quite young. Now, how is

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Speaker 2: it possible can a cabinet really discuss chemical car strating?

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Speaker 2: I mean, could you come out from a cabinet meeting

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Speaker 2: and go We have today decided in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: as part of the cabinet meeting, we are going to

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Speaker 2: chemically cast straight even rapist. We're going to start chemically castra.

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Speaker 2: Is that what first world nations do early days?

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Speaker 18: But this is something and it's been dear to the

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Speaker 18: hearts of members of the League party. Our friend Matteo Slovini,

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Speaker 18: I think, has talked about this in the past. Now

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Speaker 18: they're pushing for at least a parliamentary commission or a

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Speaker 18: committee to look at this in more detail. Will we

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Speaker 18: see chemical castration of rapists in Italy? I think we're

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Speaker 18: a long way from that, but they certainly want to

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Speaker 18: put it on the agenda and set up some sort

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Speaker 18: of inquiry into that.

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Speaker 2: Well, now, this wine business, you being the world's top producer,

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Speaker 2: is that because you're making more or places like France

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Speaker 2: are making less?

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Speaker 19: Well?

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Speaker 18: When I looked at the figures, I have to say

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Speaker 18: I was really shocked, because Italy produces something like forty

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Speaker 18: one million hector leters, and the French are producing something

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Speaker 18: like thirty nine million, and little old New Zealand is

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Speaker 18: producing three point six million.

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Speaker 2: But such a quality, big heavyweights.

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Speaker 18: The two heavyweights are fighting out for the number one title.

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Speaker 18: I think it's based on volume, but the French might

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Speaker 18: we have better quality. So it depends who you talk to, doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It I suppose it does. All right, Go well, Joe,

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Speaker 2: we catch up next to Never remember being in the

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Speaker 2: middle of Tuscany and I said I would go there

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Speaker 2: was a big dinner for New Years, and I said

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Speaker 2: I would go down to the local whatever it was,

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Speaker 2: and I would buy the wine for the dinner that night,

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Speaker 2: and it was a wall. It was a concrete wall,

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Speaker 2: literally a concrete wall, because nothing was open. And the

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Speaker 2: place where it had it had a singular shop, and

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Speaker 2: outside the shop was a wall, a concrete wall with

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Speaker 2: three taps, just those metal taps that you were see

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Speaker 2: in a pub that dispense beer, except these taps dispensed wine.

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Speaker 2: That was the only place you could buy wine locally,

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Speaker 2: and I went for the most expensive wine. There was

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Speaker 2: one white and two reds, and I went for the

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Speaker 2: most expensive red, which was being poured that night at

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Speaker 2: two euros a litter.

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Speaker 10: So did you just put it in a bucket?

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Speaker 2: Or very large containers? Glenn, very very large containers? Nine

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Speaker 2: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: My costing breakfast with Bailey used.

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Speaker 2: Dogs Em damage control out of Lebanon. The pager manufacturers

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Speaker 2: a company called gold Apollo, and they're in Taiwan and

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Speaker 2: they're going it's not us. It's a company called BAC

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Speaker 2: which is Hungarian based. The product is now it's only

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Speaker 2: had our brand on it, which is not good. It's

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Speaker 2: a model called AR nine two four made by a

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Speaker 2: company called BAC Consulting in Budapest and Hungary. It had

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Speaker 2: authorized BAC to use our brand trademark for product sales

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Speaker 2: and specific regions, but the design and manufacturing of the

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Speaker 2: products are entirely handled by BAC, so that aspect of

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Speaker 2: the story continues to unfold and is fascinating. Five minutes

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Speaker 2: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: And the Outs, It's the fizz with business fiber, take

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Speaker 1: your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Job ads, well, have we got later seat data this

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Speaker 2: morning for August? Total job ads down a percent compared

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Speaker 2: to July. Largest regional month on month's drop hawks Bay

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Speaker 2: minus seven growth in some regions. Here we go, Marlborough

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Speaker 2: up five, Southland, West Coast up four, Maneuver two up

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Speaker 2: three year on year, Dog's Breakfast adds are down thirty one.

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Speaker 2: How to press you want to be? You want to go?

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Speaker 2: Year on year? How to press you want to be?

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Speaker 2: Let's go, Let's get Let's I Tiger You down eighteen,

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Speaker 2: West Coast down twenty one, gets worse? Can it be

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Speaker 2: down twenty eight? You want to get even worse? Auckland

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Speaker 2: down thirty one, Hawks Bay shocker down thirty eight, Wellington,

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Speaker 2: King of the Castle, Sorry to say it down forty

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Speaker 2: one percent. Applications parad They're continuing to go up three

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Speaker 2: percent month on month. They've now gone up ten months

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Speaker 2: in a row. Not a good sign. Year on year.

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Speaker 2: Two most competitive places for a job of Wellington and

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Speaker 2: Tasman Applications parad are up seventy four percent sixty one

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Speaker 2: percent respectively. What a we got advertising? Who's advertising? Retail? Retailing?

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Speaker 2: Consumer products adds are up one hundred and nineteen percent

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Speaker 2: year on year. Consulting in strategy up one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: If it doesn't work? Who doesn't want to work? In strategy?

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Speaker 2: Edmund and offers support up ninety nine. Human resources and

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Speaker 2: recruitment up eighty eight. Call center and customer sevice can't

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Speaker 2: I HOWPA? I'm sorry? Sorry, I can't put you through

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Speaker 2: Beethold call Center and customer service up eighty seven percent.

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Speaker 2: The suit of the AI that job, the better you got.

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Speaker 10: Any influencer positions available?

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Speaker 2: No influencer positions at all, Glen, When was the last

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Speaker 2: time here's your test for the morning. When was the

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Speaker 2: last time you rang anybody? And one got a human

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Speaker 2: to the human was in New Zealand? Three they were helpful.

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Speaker 2: There's a prize for that. Don't worry, no one's winning

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Speaker 2: the prize. Mining ads are up twenty four percent. That's

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Speaker 2: Shane Jones for you. Hey, that's what Shane does. And

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Speaker 2: as minerals list, he puts out a mineral's list, and

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Speaker 2: everyone wants to be a miner.

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Speaker 20: Right.

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Speaker 2: The GDP, that'll be a dog's breakfast as well. Whether

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Speaker 2: it's minus point three or point four sort of doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: We're heading for yet another recession. We'll talk to the

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Speaker 2: bank about that. David Seymour on how he's going to

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Speaker 2: measure the charter schools cover that as well.

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Speaker 1: The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names talk to

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Speaker 1: make the costing breakfast with Bailey's real estate, your local

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Speaker 1: experts across residential, commercial, and rural news talks had been.

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Speaker 2: Only seven past seven. Right to the economy, we've heard

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Speaker 2: from the Fed this morning it's fifty points. Also today

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Speaker 2: our GDP figure for the second quarter, so that's April

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Speaker 2: May and June consensuss we've gone backwards again. West Pax

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Speaker 2: chief economist Kelly Yeah holds back with us. Kelly morning

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Speaker 2: to you morning. Your numbers.

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Speaker 21: What we've got minus point four for the quarter and

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Speaker 21: minus point six for the year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you have fifty on the Fed?

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Speaker 21: We did not have fifty on the Fed. We had

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Speaker 21: twenty five. But there have been a lot of smoke

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Speaker 21: forming from the newspaper articles on the weekend suggesting it

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Speaker 21: was going to be a finally balanced decision. Oh god,

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Speaker 21: it certainly looks like the Fed's moved the gold posts.

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Speaker 2: Exactly do we react to that? Does the Central Bank

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Speaker 2: look at that and go hold on, we'll need to

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Speaker 2: rethink here or not?

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 21: I think most central banks in the world would be

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Speaker 21: looking at this because the US sets the global risks

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Speaker 21: through rate. I don't think the Reserve Bank probably expected

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Speaker 21: that they'd be moving by fifty basis points today, so

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Speaker 21: they'll be considering that. I mean, if you compare the

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Speaker 21: economic indicators between in New Zealand and the US, it

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Speaker 21: looks unequivocally stronger in the United States.

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Speaker 2: So point four today, if you are right. Can we

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Speaker 2: then mount an argument that says, if it's point four

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Speaker 2: in Q two, it's probably something similar in Q three.

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Speaker 2: At the very least, it's backwards. Therefore it's a recession.

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Speaker 15: Oh.

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Speaker 21: I think that we do expect that it'll go backwards

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Speaker 21: again in Q three. Although it's going to be a

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Speaker 21: finely balanced thing. We've got minus point two for the

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Speaker 21: quarter in September, and there might even be a bit

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Speaker 21: of upside risk for that. We definitely think though that

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Speaker 21: Q two was the trough in this cycle, and particularly

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Speaker 21: in June. Look what it looks like. It was the

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Speaker 21: weakest month we've said in quite a while.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that partially answers my next question, because what

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Speaker 2: we are starting to see a semantic don'tal stuff your

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Speaker 2: confidence run services, business consumers. It's is that real in

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Speaker 2: your view or is it hope born of desperation.

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Speaker 21: Well, there's a mixture of both, but I think there's

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Speaker 21: a higher weight on hope right now because we're quite

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Speaker 21: early in the easing cycle. We've only had the one

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Speaker 21: twenty five point cup. But I think the thing that

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Speaker 21: businesses in particular are really reacting to is that longer

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Speaker 21: term magistrates have fallen a lot. So they've really got

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Speaker 21: the ability to access finance at a much cheaper level

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Speaker 21: than they have done for a good few years.

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Speaker 2: So surviving till twenty five is real.

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Speaker 21: Well, I think that is real, and I think probably

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Speaker 21: with a bit more optimism than they've had probably for

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Speaker 21: most of the last six months or so.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, you have a good day and we're talking

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Speaker 2: again soon Kelly E. Cold Westpactief economist. He says minus

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Speaker 2: zero point four, no minutes past seven, tasking. So I've

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Speaker 2: got a bit of a red flag as well around

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Speaker 2: the government's big infrastructure plans. To build a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 2: you need a lot of people. Officials are suggesting about

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Speaker 2: twenty five thousand extra workers. That's the population of Ashburton,

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Speaker 2: for goodness sake, and they're needed as of twenty two six.

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Speaker 2: And another civil contractors in New Zealand, Phraser May is

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Speaker 2: with us phrase a good morning to you, Like how

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Speaker 2: you going? I'm very well? Indeed, how fast can you

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Speaker 2: tool up?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: Well that depends. Look, I mean I think we've just

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Speaker 22: been through quite a bad patch. It's been quite lean

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Speaker 22: out there and actually a lot of businesses have been

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Speaker 22: gun scaling at the very time that we really should

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Speaker 22: have been up and training capacity to try and build

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Speaker 22: that workforce for the work that's coming up. So yeah,

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Speaker 22: I mean we're looking forward to the opportunity and I think,

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Speaker 22: you know, it's good to see some indications about where

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Speaker 22: the work's coming.

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Speaker 2: Into the market, because it's all about pipelines, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: That's what you need.

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Speaker 22: Absolutely. So the longer we've got prepare for that work ahead,

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Speaker 22: the easier it is to train people up and the

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Speaker 22: more skilled to be when the time comes. And it's

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Speaker 22: you know, having those education and emigration pathways to be

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Speaker 22: able to give.

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Speaker 2: Us the next question, So how does this work? How

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Speaker 2: many locals a you're grabbing and training? How many people

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Speaker 2: are coming off a pipeline anyway or a job anyway,

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Speaker 2: plus how many you going to have to get into

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, well, I'd say that one thing is around the

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Speaker 22: education pathways and the immgration pathways. So actually, you know,

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Speaker 22: the need to support. So we've just been through some

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Speaker 22: vocational education reform and you know what we'd like to

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Speaker 22: see is some more support for work based training because

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Speaker 22: that's how a lot of the people gain the skills

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Speaker 22: to be able to build the roads and put the

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Speaker 22: water pipes under the ground. So some support from EFICUS

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Speaker 22: and be able to scale up and do that would

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Speaker 22: be great. Companies do that day to day. And yeah,

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Speaker 22: we've scale up. I mean, I guess you know, obviously

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Speaker 22: we're going to need to a lot of get a

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Speaker 22: lot of people on board if we're going to deliver

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Speaker 22: on some of the ambitious projects government's gone in the pipeline.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, let's not get you in trouble,

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Speaker 2: but I mean, hand on, how when you look at

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Speaker 2: all the announcements and all this stuff and you know

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Speaker 2: how long it takes to build anything in this country,

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Speaker 2: do you see this as real?

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Speaker 22: Well, it depends when it's going to have the market.

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Speaker 22: I mean there are some pretty clear educations of what

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Speaker 22: we need. I mean, we know that we need to

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Speaker 22: replace a whole bunch of pipes. We know that we

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Speaker 22: need to go and build a whole bunch of roads.

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Speaker 22: So yeah, I mean I think the question is when

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Speaker 22: that work's going to come to market. You know, we're

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Speaker 22: starting to see some tenders come through and it has

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Speaker 22: been pretty lean out there, so you know that's the

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Speaker 22: first thing. If there's work in the market, then then

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Speaker 22: enables us to build the workforce to get a job done.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Phraser, go, well, appreciate it very much, Fraser May,

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Speaker 2: who's the civil contractors in New Zealand? Man, it's twelve

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Speaker 2: minutes past seven, o Scar, How wrong am I? In

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Speaker 2: my hat? Time? First Domains dot CO dot in Z

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Speaker 2: have New Zealand based call centers, Mike for the customer support.

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Speaker 2: They're brilliant. I did yesterday Mike contact Energy. A woman

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Speaker 2: answered after two rings. Was friendly, efficient, incredibly helpful and

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Speaker 2: humorous too. We laughed, Ah, perfect, it really did happen.

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Speaker 2: She was in Livin. I think, Mike, if you deal

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Speaker 2: with rabobank, you get to talk to a very helpful

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Speaker 2: person based in New Zealand when you ring them. Mike

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Speaker 2: SBS tick all the boxes. Thank you, Ray, What do

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Speaker 2: I win? Mike FMG Insurance KEII operator down South Island.

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Speaker 2: Cheers Nick, Mike, AMI just brilliant. See this is where

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Speaker 2: I strongly not that I'm personally against AMI this morning,

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Speaker 2: but I've dealt with AMI. They're not very good. My

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Speaker 2: personal experience with AMI is not very good, and I've

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Speaker 2: dealt with AMI quite a bit. Not very good. So Dana,

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Speaker 2: you are plant you work for AM. I were you

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Speaker 2: told by the head of human resources to text in

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Speaker 2: Regal Dry Cleaners MICA master class and customer service every time?

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Speaker 2: The only a water Mike last week, very human, exceptionally

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Speaker 2: helpful and the winner. I rang right since Helensville, north

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Speaker 2: of Auckland yesterday, Katie answered, they will order the battery

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Speaker 2: I need and Katie will personally bring it to me

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Speaker 2: as she lives nearby.

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Speaker 10: Is that your Katie? She's got a side hustle go.

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Speaker 2: She's done some stuff on the Quiet Glenn thirteen past.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard

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Speaker 2: Talks a b David Timour on Charter School, shortly Lee

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Speaker 2: Child for a catch up after eight look forward to

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Speaker 2: that sixteen past seven. So where are we at with

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Speaker 2: the fallout from yesterday's page attack on Hesbala in today's

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Speaker 2: secondary attack on these walkie talkies. The Israelis are, of

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Speaker 2: course suspected. They've officially said nothing, but a response must

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Speaker 2: be pending. Unassuming Associate Professor of Politics and International Relations

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Speaker 2: at Auckland University, Stephen Hidley is back. Well, it's Stephen

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Speaker 2: morning to you.

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Speaker 20: Good morning, make interesting times.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it just the fact the Americans weren't clued in

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Speaker 2: specifically on this? Is this potentially a problem for Israel

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Speaker 2: and the Yahoo if they claim it was them, Well.

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Speaker 20: If I were a conspiracy e theorists, I would say

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Speaker 20: that Israel's trying to go the United States into helping Israel.

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Speaker 20: If Hasbilla attacks Israel in a serious way. It's a

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Speaker 20: kind of convoluted policy to induce support where it might

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Speaker 20: not want to be.

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Speaker 2: Does Hezbela come back this because previously when these things

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Speaker 2: have happened, there's been plenty of talk and hate, but

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Speaker 2: at best. I mean, I think back to the drone

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Speaker 2: situation with the Iranians. They sort of telegraphed it was

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Speaker 2: a kind of a here we go and it's over,

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Speaker 2: kind of sort of fizza.

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Speaker 20: Well, my first thought was, this is the preliade to

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Speaker 20: an attack in southern Lebanon to push the Hesbilla back

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Speaker 20: to the Litani River under Resolution seventeen oh one, but

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Speaker 20: apparently not Apparently that the rest of the army is

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Speaker 20: not mobilizing on the border. There's still fifty thousand Israelis

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Speaker 20: displaced from their homes by Hesbelah rockets. This is unfinished

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Speaker 20: business for Israel. But it looks as if this may

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Speaker 20: have been triggered by a disclosure that the Hesbelah may

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Speaker 20: have found one of the devices did have something odd

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Speaker 20: like explosive in it and it was about to be exposed.

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Speaker 20: So one theory by the BBC, Israel decided to detonate

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Speaker 20: these devices rather than have them disarmed before they could

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Speaker 20: be effective.

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Speaker 2: So when does this all leave a step? And I

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Speaker 2: mean like about a week ago. Yet again we're talking

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Speaker 2: about the possibility of a ceasefire. I mean that seems

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Speaker 2: completely out the door.

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Speaker 20: Now, absolutely, yes, Now it leaves us actually nowhere. This

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Speaker 20: war has been going on since nineteen eighty two. Then

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Speaker 20: the Israelis invaded Israel in Lebanon. Sorry, and Hesbellah was

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Speaker 20: formed as a kind of militia to quote defend end

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Speaker 20: quote Lebanon. And so this is just another chapter, a

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Speaker 20: rather interesting technological chapter in a long saga.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because it allows me to

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Speaker 2: segue rather awkwardly into what really is and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be too macalb about it. How they done

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Speaker 2: this is little short astonishing, isn't it. I mean, technologically

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Speaker 2: it's bordering on being genius without you know, using the

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Speaker 2: word incorrectly.

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Speaker 20: Yes, you have to have to admire the ingenuity of

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Speaker 20: the Israelis to do this. Because the supply chains started

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Speaker 20: in Taiwan, went through Hungary maybe or maybe not, it

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Speaker 20: was undetected all these months and weeks. It hits right

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Speaker 20: at the heart of the communications network of thebe Lah. Yes,

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Speaker 20: we will look at this with admiration for some time,

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Speaker 20: whether we agree or not that this is a war crime.

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Speaker 20: Some academics are saying, look, it's these are booby traps,

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Speaker 20: illegal under international law. I would say, no, this is war.

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Speaker 20: That the target was combatants. We regret deeply collateral damage

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Speaker 20: and injury to innocent civilians, but the target was postballer

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Speaker 20: faders that are pledged to destroy Israel.

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you always, Stephen Hadley out of

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Speaker 2: Auckland University. As I say, David Seymour on the charter

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Speaker 2: schools to come shortly, and the reason being there's a

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Speaker 2: new measure out today as to how we're going to

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Speaker 2: chart these charters schools and how they're going to perform.

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Speaker 2: So we'll look forward to that in about fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: Come back to the economy in a moment though seven twenty.

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Speaker 1: The mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this the other day, was talking about the

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Speaker 2: Kiwi Dream in housing and the trading stuff that was done.

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Speaker 2: Many would agree that owning your own home is a

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Speaker 2: big part of the Kiwi dream. Of course, a SBS

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Speaker 2: bank have been helping Kiwi has achieve that dream for

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty five years. In fact, SBS are

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Speaker 2: so good at it they've been judged Canstar's best Bank

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Speaker 2: for first time Buyers twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: was there a three p oh? Yes there was twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four as well. Looking to buy your first home

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Speaker 2: or have first home buyers in your life, whether it's

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Speaker 2: you know, your kids, your grandkids, whatever, SBS bank should

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Speaker 2: be the first port of call. What makes them so

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Speaker 2: good as their product, it's called the SBS First Home Combo.

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Speaker 2: It's got some super impressive inclusions that you get a

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Speaker 2: heavily discounted interest rate, got a cash back offer, contribution

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Speaker 2: towards SBS Insurance, home policies, money back into the SBS

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Speaker 2: Wealth Kiwi Saver and you've got twelve months free Pulse

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Speaker 2: broadband as well. So that's a lot of savings for

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Speaker 2: first home buyers. And of course first home lending eligibility

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Speaker 2: criteria applies. So for all you need to know about

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Speaker 2: So if you're ready to follow those awards to a

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Speaker 2: great home loan. You search SBS Bank. It is the

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Speaker 2: bank with heart and the good deals SBS Bank T

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Now, the good news, speaking of the economy

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Speaker 2: as we are this morning, the good news is confidence

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Speaker 2: seemingly is improving. It has been a pretty decent week

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Speaker 2: if you think about it. Farmer's confidence is up and

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Speaker 2: markedly our confidence seems to be up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Still over all pessimistic, but we are up nevertheless. And

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Speaker 2: last week we saw business confidence starting to rise just

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Speaker 2: a little bit. And then come these newest numbers our

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Speaker 2: current account that came out yesterday. What a mess. We

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Speaker 2: are a mess in essence. And what this means is

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Speaker 2: we buy more from the world we sell it given

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Speaker 2: her in the business of selling stuff. That does make

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Speaker 2: us very good business. Of course, glass half full. The

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Speaker 2: figure we got yesterday is stable as a percentage of GDP,

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Speaker 2: but the percentage of GDP that is hopeless. That's the worry. This,

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Speaker 2: by the way, is for the June quarter in actual

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Speaker 2: number terms, that did widen by two hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: nine million dollars. Now it's all part of the wider

869
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: picture that we'll get later on today. On the actual GDP,

870
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Speaker 2: which we mentioned earlier, has almost certainly gone backwards for

871
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Speaker 2: the same period. So join these two bits together and

872
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: you've got an economy going backwards, driven in part by

873
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: the fact that we buy more stuff than we sell.

874
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: So think about that scenario in your own life. You

875
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: make a living selling stuff, right, but you still buy

876
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: more things. They cost more than you make. You are sinking.

877
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: That's the story of this country. Our net investment liability

878
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 2: position another good comparison we can make to our own lives.

879
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Speaker 2: Note the words net liability was two hundred and five billion,

880
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: which is now almost fifty percent forty nine point seven

881
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: percent of GDP. That is over six billion more than

882
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: it was in the last quarter. It's getting worse. We

883
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: are more liable. You don't in life want to be liable.

884
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: You don't life want to deficit. It's really, you know,

885
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: in simple terms, in the deals that involve New Zealand

886
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: and the world, we have more liabilities then we have assets.

887
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: As I say, most of us don't run our lives

888
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: that way, and yet we seem happy to watch our

889
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: country being run that way. It's the weirdest thing. It's

890
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: become very clear this week from the Torri far Nour

891
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 2: revelations that we have people in decision making positions who

892
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: have no idea how to turn a dollar or spend

893
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Speaker 2: a dollar, or value a dollar, or run anything that

894
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: resembles an economy or any sort or size. The numbers

895
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: don't lie. The numbers aren't good, but they can't be

896
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Speaker 2: a surprise given the sort of people who've been in charge.

897
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 2: Asking now, JD. Vance is in Carolina talking about Karmela.

898
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Speaker 19: I mean, she practically is at this point where she

899
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 19: could walk in to this this room right now and

900
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 19: she could steal one of your red hats, sir, and

901
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 19: put it on and say make America great again. Because

902
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 19: Kamala Harris is practically just running on the Trump agenda

903
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 19: right now. But as much as she's running on the

904
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Speaker 19: Trump agenda, she has been in office for three and

905
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 19: a half years and she hasn't done a damn thing

906
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Speaker 19: about it. Kamala Harris, stop talking about what you will do.

907
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 19: Start talking about what you have done. And the answer

908
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Speaker 19: is not a damn thing.

909
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Speaker 2: All right, So they like from that in Carolina. Meantime,

910
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Speaker 2: she was in front of the National Association of Black

911
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: Journalists yesterday making complete scenes it's.

912
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Speaker 15: About understanding what we need to do to again understand

913
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 15: that to your point, we have to have a holistic

914
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Speaker 15: response to this issue and prioritize it. I was acutely

915
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Speaker 15: aware that my words could move markets. When you are

916
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 15: bestowed with a microphone, that is that big. I could

917
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 15: go on and on and on. These are facts that

918
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 15: have had impact and we need to we need to

919
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 15: speak truth about it. You really ought to understand at

920
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 15: a very deep level how much your words.

921
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Speaker 23: Have a meaning.

922
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Speaker 2: Small question, who does that remind you of? Got some

923
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Speaker 2: polling out of the states for your fresh polling out

924
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Speaker 2: of the states for you in a couple of moments

925
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Speaker 2: before we get into the charter school business with David Seymour,

926
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Speaker 2: The news though is next. You're a news talk s head.

927
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Speaker 1: Be the breakfast show you can trust, the Mic Hosking

928
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Speaker 1: Breakfast with a Vita retirement, Communities, Life your Way, News

929
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Speaker 1: talks head.

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Speaker 2: B might be traditional Democratic backing teams. Does union have

931
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Speaker 2: decided not to endorse the candidate as it's members now

932
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Speaker 2: fifteen six percent in favor of Trump. I saw that

933
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Speaker 2: poll out this morning, so that was a big number,

934
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Speaker 2: and I can't remember the other side of it. Was

935
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Speaker 2: fifty six to thirty something. It was a big gap,

936
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Speaker 2: twenty three minutes away from a new Dear childs back

937
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Speaker 2: here this morning on how the performance of charter schools

938
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: are going to be measured. So we've got a framework

939
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Speaker 2: that allegedly will boost student achievement. Past rates will be

940
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Speaker 2: measured using an equity index, taking into account socioeconomic barriers,

941
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Speaker 2: assayci your Education minister, the man behind charter schools. Of course,

942
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Speaker 2: as David see Mornings with us, very good morning to you,

943
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: good morning. Way of all the things you're progressing at

944
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: the moment, because you're a busy man. Where's charter school

945
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: sitting in the totem pole? Are things smooth or not.

946
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 24: As very smooth? There's people who will say we don't

947
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 24: need these policies. Actually, we've had eighty applicants people around

948
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Speaker 24: the community have put together a detailed application to run them.

949
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Speaker 24: It shows there is demands and we're processing those pretty

950
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Speaker 24: challenging given the volume that it looks like we're going

951
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Speaker 24: to have a very good first crop of charter schools

952
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Speaker 24: very soon.

953
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Speaker 2: So the numbers are there, so that's the good side

954
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Speaker 2: of it. Are they quality at the stage?

955
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Speaker 9: Do you know.

956
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 24: I don't get involved, so I haven't actually seen them,

957
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 24: but I do ask the people at the Charter School

958
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 24: Agency and the Ministry of Education and they tell me

959
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 24: that I can tell you that it's very very confident

960
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 24: about good.

961
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Speaker 2: The equity in X. How specific is it the school?

962
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: Is it the class or is it the kid.

963
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 24: It's down to the school. So in a perfect world

964
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Speaker 24: it would be down to the kid. But you know,

965
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Speaker 24: I think one of the things we're doing across government

966
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Speaker 24: and especially in education is trying to improve data. So

967
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Speaker 24: at this point, it's equity index sets a bunch of

968
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Speaker 24: targets for the school, and that's the percentage of children

969
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Speaker 24: that need to achieve a certain target such as regular

970
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 24: attendance or reading or maths for primary or NCAA the secondary.

971
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Speaker 2: And where does that sit against state public.

972
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Speaker 24: School The basic rule of thumb is that charter schools

973
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Speaker 24: have the same goals as state schools, such as ninety

974
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Speaker 24: five percent getting NCAA Level two, such as eighty percent

975
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Speaker 24: attending ninety percent of the time. What's different with charters

976
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Speaker 24: is that we're putting in hard minimums where if they

977
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Speaker 24: don't do it, we will shut them down. And that's

978
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Speaker 24: what's really different With charters. They get more freedom, but

979
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Speaker 24: they also get targets for attendance, achievement and fiscal probity.

980
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 24: If they don't reach them, we will shut them down.

981
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Speaker 24: The last time they were charter schools, we did shut them.

982
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Speaker 24: It's not an idle threat.

983
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: Ok okay. So, but you don't want to because the

984
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: last thing you need is a kid going to a

985
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Speaker 2: school and then suddenly the school's closed.

986
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Speaker 24: Yeah, and you you don't walk in the day they

987
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 24: go one percent under the target and say you shut down.

988
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 24: There's a process, but generally speaking, the target for charter

989
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 24: schools is they must be in the top half of

990
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 24: state schools or they get shut down, and aiming to

991
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Speaker 24: reach the overall government targets depending on the measure.

992
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: Okay. So there's a couple of things that come out

993
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: of that. One is their individual performance, and so if

994
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 2: they do well, they do well for the kids in

995
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: the community and all that's fantastic. If you get an attendance,

996
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 2: for example, at a higher level at a charter school,

997
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: that then flows by reputation to everybody else, at which

998
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: point I'm assuming you'll go they can do it, so

999
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: why can't you? When they come back and go, well,

1000
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: that's because they get so much more money. David, what

1001
00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: do you say, then.

1002
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Speaker 24: Well, put it this way. We're going to let state

1003
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Speaker 24: schools that want to convert to charter schools, and the

1004
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Speaker 24: day that they open up as a charter school, they'll

1005
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Speaker 24: get exactly the same money as they got yesterday when

1006
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Speaker 24: they shut down as a state school. There is no difference.

1007
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 24: And it's exactly the same with brand new charter schools

1008
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Speaker 24: that start from scratch. The principle is they get the

1009
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 24: money that the same kids would have got were they

1010
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 24: going to a state school. People like to put about

1011
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 24: all of this misinformation and try and say that they're

1012
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 24: getting funded at a higher rate, and you know, the

1013
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 24: truth is that they're not. People need to ask themselves

1014
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 24: why is that. One of the biggest differences with charters

1015
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Speaker 24: is that we are giving them the ability to hire teachers.

1016
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Speaker 24: They have to be registered, but they don't have to

1017
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Speaker 24: be on the union contracts. Now, if you're the PPTA

1018
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Speaker 24: or the MZDI, then a successful group of schools that

1019
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 24: have individual employment agree are an existential threat. And I

1020
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 24: just want to say that slowly, because this is the beginning,

1021
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Speaker 24: the middle, and the end of the charter school debate.

1022
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Speaker 24: The unions aren't afraid that charter schools will fail. They

1023
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Speaker 24: are petrified that they're going to succeed. And I think

1024
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Speaker 24: they just might because the children need it.

1025
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Speaker 2: Okay, while I've got you a couple of things. Are

1026
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Speaker 2: you T? We featured some information in the last couple

1027
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Speaker 2: of days here Penny Simmons apparently had a meeting. I

1028
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Speaker 2: know this isn't your area, but it kind of is.

1029
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Speaker 2: So are you T? And they're one of the many

1030
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Speaker 2: examples run the system whereby if you want to travel

1031
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Speaker 2: as your electorate professor whatever. If you travel, you fill

1032
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Speaker 2: out a box and a form. If you're MARI and

1033
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Speaker 2: if you're Pacific, you get extra points simply by being

1034
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Speaker 2: Mari or Pacific to get the money for travel. I

1035
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Speaker 2: thought that was over. If it's over, how come they're

1036
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Speaker 2: still doing it.

1037
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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 24: Number One, we've issued a circular cabinet circular to the

1039
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Speaker 24: public service saying you must have liver services on need

1040
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 24: not race. That came out last week, and yet it

1041
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Speaker 24: doesn't necessarily apply. In fact, it doesn't apply to universities,

1042
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 24: which are separate institutions. Nonetheless, I think you can be

1043
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Speaker 24: confident that with the likes of any the responsible minister

1044
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 24: telling them, what's what you're going to see that sort

1045
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Speaker 24: of practice run out of tertiary institutions. But look, I'm

1046
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 24: as frustrated as anyone that often we've got this Stacey

1047
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 24: apparatus of a quarter million people, thousands of institutions. You've

1048
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Speaker 24: got people ingrained in there. But amazingly in twenty twenty

1049
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 24: fourth but blatant racial profiling where you have to tick

1050
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 24: a box for your race and you get different amounts

1051
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 24: of money is somehow not just okay, but a good idea.

1052
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 24: And these are the people running universities. I mean, it

1053
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 24: is astonishing, but we are step by step telling them

1054
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Speaker 24: that we a bore racial discrimination, We believe in universal

1055
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 24: human rights where the elected government and you better get

1056
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 24: with the program. It's just a process of one organization,

1057
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Speaker 24: one institution, one case at a time.

1058
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, because when do you run

1059
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: out of place, it's because it's one thing. It's one

1060
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: thing to have the idea. So you agree with your

1061
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: idea or you don't. But you are the government that's irrefutable,

1062
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: and you have issued a need that's irrefutable. Yet what

1063
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: we now seem to have is pushed back in the

1064
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: middle finger.

1065
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Speaker 24: Well, in fairness, this has been in place for some

1066
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 24: time and it's been discovered this week. I don't believe

1067
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Speaker 24: it's something that they've established this week, but you know.

1068
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Speaker 14: You're right.

1069
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Speaker 24: I had a doctor just yesterday. So here is proof

1070
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Speaker 24: in August twenty twenty four that we are racially profiling patients.

1071
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 24: I believe that's wrong. But what do you do about it? Well,

1072
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Speaker 24: you get the Minister of Health and say this is

1073
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 24: what's happening in your organization. Can you do something about it.

1074
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 24: Just two weeks ago we saw it with the GPS

1075
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Speaker 24: in hawks Bay saying that it's free if you're Maori

1076
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Speaker 24: of Pacific. If you're not, you have to pay, regardless

1077
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Speaker 24: of whether you're ritual or poor or what your true

1078
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Speaker 24: need is. Shane's been in touch with the hawks Bay

1079
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Speaker 24: sector of the Health New Zealand And said, guys new

1080
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Speaker 24: Sheriff in town the same how it works anymore, and

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Speaker 24: they've stopped. So yep, frustrating, but it's just, you know,

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Speaker 24: you've got to recognize that we're not a dictatorship. We're

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00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 24: a pluralistic society with a large number of organizations, some

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Speaker 24: of which universities, for example, have quite a lot of autonomy,

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00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 24: and so they should because we believe in academic freedom

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Speaker 24: at the end of the day. But every now and

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00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 24: then you just have to give them a reminder of

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00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 24: who's paying the bill. It's the tax payers of New Zealand,

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00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 24: and the tax payers of New Zealand elected a government

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00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 24: that does not believe in racially profiling at citizens. It's

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Speaker 24: bizarre I have to say that in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 24: but here we are good on.

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Speaker 2: You appreciate it. David see Moore, the leader of Act.

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00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: We asked Penny Simmons, who had the meeting yesterday with

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Speaker 2: the aut to come on. She's getting advice today apparently,

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Speaker 2: and we'll let us know. How about Unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Seven cool the Vike Asking Breakfast full show podcast on

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Speaker 1: Iheartradiown coward by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be mentioned JD Varance earlier on JD. Salvers died

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Speaker 2: at seventy eight, which is said because he was due

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00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: to tour again next week. Won't be doing that now.

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00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: Eagle of course, New Kidd and Town Heartache Tonight had

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00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 2: a couple of hits of his own. Wrote for Dixie Chicks.

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00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: James Taylor, Bonnie Rate, George Strap Polling. I was going

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00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: to give you and still am. Actually, this is a

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00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: culmination put together of all the current polls the major

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00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: polsters put together by five thirty eight nationally, this is

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Speaker 2: America Karmala Harris forty eight Trump forty five, So forty

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00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: eight forty five in the battleground state, she's tight as

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Speaker 2: North Carolina Trump by less than a point, Arizona Trump

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00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: by less than a point. George the same story. Harris

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00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: has Nevada by less than a point, Pennsylvania Harris, Michigan,

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Speaker 2: Harris by two, Wisconsin Harris by three. So that's a

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Speaker 2: culmination of all the major polsters at the moment. Then

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00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: we come to moments ago the Quinnipiac Pole, which is

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00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: out taken between twelve and sixteen September, So it's current

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00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania Harris fifty one, forty six. So you're outside the

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00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: margin of era now, so that's if not troubled, potentially

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Speaker 2: death Knell Michigan Harris fifty one forty six. Wisconsin's still

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Speaker 2: tied at forty nine forty eight to Harris, so she's

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Speaker 2: on the move. And you back that up with the

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Speaker 2: feed pole that the CBNC CBN C, CBN C whatever

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Speaker 2: they're called, CNBCNBCBC that Dy did earlier on the feeling

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Speaker 2: is that Harris is going to win. Right, doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: it's not going to change, doesn't mean that's the way

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00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: it is on the night, and everyone continues to say

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00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 2: in sixteen and twenty the polsters underestimated the Trump support,

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Speaker 2: the Trump support being the quiet support where nobody talks

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Speaker 2: until the day of voting. But nevertheless the numbers are

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00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 2: shaping up and you can see why things are moving

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Speaker 2: her way in general terms. Tend to wait the My.

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Speaker 1: Costing breakfast with Vita Retirement Communities News vs.

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Speaker 2: S given away from It's a little bit of trouble

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Speaker 2: in Rotorua, the organizers of a charitable garage sale potentially

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00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: calling it quits because since twenty nineteen Ray White they've

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00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 2: sourced and sold unwanted it from their property sales. Right,

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00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 2: so they raised more than one hundred thousand dollars for charity.

1138
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: But you've had a robbery at the weekend and so

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00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: it's all turned a bit pear shaped. The Ray White

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00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: roduver co owner Timo Sullivan's, well, there's Tim, very good

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Speaker 2: morning to you, Mike, very well, thank you. So what

1142
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: they get a car and the trailer and all the stuff.

1143
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 25: Yeah, they broke into the main shed and it was

1144
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 25: more than likely a child to get in through the

1145
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 25: window because it was quite small. So what a great

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00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 25: start that person's got in life. Got into the shed

1147
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 25: and saw some micms there, got the big trailer. We've

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Speaker 25: got a huge furniture trailer, which they then would have

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00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 25: loaded up with goods, and also took a car that

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00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 25: we'd recently purchased because we were going to start going

1151
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Speaker 25: into car boot sales and said we'll get a few

1152
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 25: cars ourselves and and sort of set the set the trend,

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Speaker 25: I guess to start that sort of happening at the

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Speaker 25: rail park.

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Speaker 2: Not not that it matters, but would that be an

1156
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: opportunistic robbery or would they have known you had cars

1157
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: and stuff there?

1158
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 25: We're pretty sure it was. You know, it was known

1159
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 25: to the to the burglars. It wouldn't surprise me if

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00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 25: they'd have attended one of the garage sales and sort

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Speaker 25: of case the place out, because it just happened. You know,

1162
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Speaker 25: they did it all the right things in terms of

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Speaker 25: how they broke in and the yard was locked up,

1164
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 25: but they yeah, they didn't deter them.

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00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 2: Well what did the police say.

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Speaker 25: Well, no, it's hard. Where it happened, just out of

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00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 25: road is a very tight community and pretty much once

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00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 25: the word got out, the police were informed of where

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Speaker 25: the trailer was. We've got the trailer. Yeah, the trailer.

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Speaker 25: The police did a wonderful job and got the trailer back.

1171
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Speaker 25: But you know, we only got half the trailer back.

1172
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 25: Most of it's been dismembered so they started taking it apart.

1173
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 25: But anyway, we've got the trailer back. That's the main thing.

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Speaker 2: So what are you thinking about going forward? What are

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Speaker 2: you going to do?

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Speaker 25: Well, we're still thinking about it. I mean, it's always

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Speaker 25: gutting when you get burgled, and it's so unmoving. It's

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00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 25: still a decision they'll make on my own, so I'll

1179
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 25: talk to the team about it. We've since had a

1180
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 25: lot of calls and support from the public and of

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00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 25: course they don't want us to stop, so.

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Speaker 17: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 25: We also do charity Garrett sales charity auctions from her

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Speaker 25: main office and Rode and they go really well good

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Speaker 25: and everything's secure there. So yeah, we'll just have to

1186
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 25: think about it.

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Speaker 11: Okay, but we've got it.

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Speaker 25: We've got another Garrett sale coming up in a couple

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Speaker 25: of weeks, so we'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 2: Ok, we'll go Well, that appreciate it very much. Toms

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Speaker 2: Sullivan ray White wrote a rue Mike who steals Garrett

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Speaker 2: sales stuff? Ben low Light is the answer to that question.

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Speaker 2: You want some good news. Luke Holmes is coming, So

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Speaker 2: a couple of shows Eden Park on Friday the seventeenth

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Speaker 2: and Saturday the eighteenth. Of what I hear you ask,

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Speaker 2: the answer is January. It's coming January. How I go

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Speaker 2: to Christmas gift? Would that make? Or in my case

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Speaker 2: maybe a birthday gift? Given my birthdays in January. The

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Speaker 2: tickets go on sale this coming Wednesday. I've got a

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Speaker 2: double ticket though for the Friday show. If you want

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Speaker 2: to go on the Friday show, go to the Mike

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Speaker 2: Hosking Breakfast Facebook page right now? Oh is it not

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Speaker 2: right now? When do they go to the facebook page?

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Speaker 20: Oh?

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Speaker 2: After eight? Well it's a couple of minutes. Await, look,

1206
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Speaker 2: don't tell me I've broken the Embargoh it's virtually eight o'clock.

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Speaker 2: My watch is running just a little bit fast this

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Speaker 2: morning and so I thought, why not anyway.

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Speaker 10: At eight o'clock, it's eight o'clock somewhere.

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Speaker 2: It's eight o'clock somewhere the Facebook. Go to the Facebook

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Speaker 2: in a couple of minutes and it'll be all there

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Speaker 2: and you can enter followday instructions and enter and we'll

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Speaker 2: make the announcement on Monday. But Luke Comb's coming to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Eden Park Friday, Saturday, seventeenth and eighteenth of January.

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Speaker 1: The News Bold opinions the mic Hosking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 1: Jaguar f base cut from it different cloth.

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Speaker 9: News Talk's editing.

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Speaker 2: Seven past eights for a bloke who says he's stepping back.

1219
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: Lee Child just can't seem to put a pin down.

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01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: It was last year he told us he was leading

1221
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: Jack Riacher to his brother. But those retirement roomors started

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01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: way back in twenty twenty and since then he's co

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Speaker 2: written reach of books. He's also credited with a new

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01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: Reacher book which is called Into Deep and that's out

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01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: next month. Then we come to this latest venture, which

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01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: is called safe Enough in other stories, it's a collection

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Speaker 2: of short stories. What earth is going on?

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Speaker 23: Lee Child is back with this good morning, Good Morning,

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Speaker 23: make always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sort of, I must confess, I am slightly confused,

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Speaker 2: because I'm pretty sure this is how our interviews have

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 2: gone over the years. So you write a book about

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01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: Jack Reacher, and I talk to you about it, and

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01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: then you tell me that you're over writing about Jack Reacher.

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Speaker 2: So then we bring your brother in, and then he's

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Speaker 2: writing about Jack Reacher, and you say you're out, You're done,

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01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: it's over. And yet here I am in this late

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Speaker 2: August morning, Lee, talking to you about your latest book.

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Speaker 2: I thought you'd quit.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, we're both right in a way.

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 23: I mean, these are short stories and they have written

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 23: over my career. You know, I'm betting that you you're

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01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 23: a radio star, right. I bet you get jobs doing

1244
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 23: mceing at charity events or after dinner speaking or something

1245
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 23: like that, and I bet you do it really well.

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01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 23: But you don't think of that as your main job.

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01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 9: Right.

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01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 23: So my main job was writing Reacher, which I do

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01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 23: not do anymore. But somebody said, look, you've got all

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01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 23: these short stories, twenty of them. Why don't you put

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Speaker 23: them in a book?

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Speaker 9: And I thought, ah, I don't know.

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Speaker 23: I mean, it's a bit secret, you know, writing a

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 23: short story is outside of what I normally did, and

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Speaker 23: I never took them that. I didn't think they were

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Speaker 23: that important, because you know, they don't sell very well

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01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 23: short stories. Nobody really reads them. So they were kind

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01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 23: of secret projects of mind that I would do anything

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Speaker 23: that I wanted. And I said, I'm a bit nervous

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Speaker 23: about it, and the guy said, nah, are they're great?

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Speaker 23: You know, this is the thing. Show them what you

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Speaker 23: doing outside of Reacher. So I said, all right, and

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Speaker 23: here we are twenty short stories in a book, and

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Speaker 23: I'm very interested to see what people think of them.

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Speaker 9: I like most of them.

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Speaker 2: What period of time were they written over?

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Speaker 9: I've just looked.

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Speaker 23: The oldest one is exactly twenty years ago, two thousand

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Speaker 23: and four, and the others interspersed between then and now.

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Speaker 23: It's the sort of thing you get asked to do,

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Speaker 23: you know, for a charity volume, or to support a

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Speaker 23: writer's organization or something like that. And my problem is

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01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 23: I have this show business brain that means that if

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01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 23: you get a lot of money for it, lots of

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01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 23: people are looking at it and therefore it's important. But

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Speaker 23: because you don't get any money for short stories, I'm

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Speaker 23: thinking nobody is seeing these so I can be totally free.

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01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 23: So this is me being me, and I have no

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Speaker 23: idea what people will think. I hope they like them,

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Speaker 23: but we shall find out.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're a genius, so they will. Could I pick

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01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: when they were written into of your writing progression, style

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01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: and skill, given we're talking about a twenty year time span.

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Speaker 23: I honestly would hope that you could, But actually I

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01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 23: don't think you would, because I don't think I ever

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01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 23: got any better from when I started. You know, somebody

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01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 23: made me reread my first book. It was another charity

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01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 23: thing whereby the auction off a first edition of a

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Speaker 23: book that is annotated in the margins in pencil.

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Speaker 9: By the author, why did you do that? Why did

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Speaker 9: you do this?

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Speaker 23: And so I reread Killing Floor for the first time ever,

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Speaker 23: and I thought I was expecting it to be like awful,

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Speaker 23: you know, first novel, clunky, But it was actually pretty good,

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Speaker 23: and I thought, damn.

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Speaker 9: That's great. I felt good for a day, and then.

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Speaker 23: I felt bad because I thought, wait a minute, have

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Speaker 23: I not got any better since I started?

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Speaker 2: You might have been brilliant right from the start. That's

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Speaker 2: the point, isn't it. The thing about short stories that's

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Speaker 2: always fascinated me. Do you write to prescription? In other words,

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Speaker 2: obviously the beginning, middle, and the and then you've got

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Speaker 2: to get there quickly? But does it have to have

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Speaker 2: a prescription?

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Speaker 23: It sort of is dictated by the volume. They usually

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Speaker 23: have a theme or a title, you know, like a

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Speaker 23: love story aspect, or assassins or secrets or historical anniversaries

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Speaker 23: or something. It's dictated to an extent, but you just

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Speaker 23: run with it. And what I've loved about doing them

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Speaker 23: is that it's quick. You can do them in one day,

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Speaker 23: in a passion, in a blaze of creation. You're not

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Speaker 23: sitting there for months. You don't have that thing in

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Speaker 23: the back of your mind. Oh, I better save that

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Speaker 23: for chapter twenty. You just do what you want to do.

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Speaker 23: And looking back on them, I can remember where I

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Speaker 23: was and what I was doing while I was writing them.

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Speaker 23: And they're like a diary to me, and I'm fascinated

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Speaker 23: by them.

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Speaker 9: I hope people will be too.

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Speaker 2: But every word, the shorter it is. Every word has

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Speaker 2: to be a gym, though, doesn't it. In a long

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Speaker 2: piece of work, you can you know, you can roll

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Speaker 2: for a while. These have got to be nuggets.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, they've got to be tight, they've got to be fast,

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Speaker 23: and you're right every single word, because usually there's a limit.

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Speaker 23: You know, they don't mind if you come in too long,

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Speaker 23: but if you come in too long, you're you're not

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Speaker 23: doing it right. It's got to be tight. And so yeah,

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Speaker 23: I love that every sentence has got to be tight.

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Speaker 23: And maybe the next sentence that you would have done

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Speaker 23: in a novel, you just skip it and move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic. Now I'm going to be interviewing you for

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Speaker 2: the next fifteen to twenty years. As you pull out,

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Speaker 2: You've got like nine hundred of these tucked away somewhere.

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Speaker 23: I think there are a few more. Yeah, And of

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Speaker 23: course there are plenty of Reacher short stories that we

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Speaker 23: already put in a book, but these are the non reaches.

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Speaker 23: And yeah, we could we could find some more.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wells and hold on there. I'll need to find

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Speaker 2: out what's going on with Reacher and your brother in

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Speaker 2: a moment. Lee Child with us out of New York,

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Speaker 2: thirteen past eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on I Hard

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Speaker 1: Radio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It Be News Talks, It Be it is. I'm just

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Speaker 2: going to call a past. It's safe enough in other stories.

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Speaker 2: It's the new short story collection from Lee Child, who's

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Speaker 2: with us out of New York. And now a quick

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Speaker 2: report on your brother. Was he doing okay?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I think he's doing okay. He's doing I like

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01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 23: the books, I think, and you know they're pleasing the fans,

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Speaker 23: and yeh know, he's my little brother. What am I

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Speaker 23: going to say? Yes, he's a good it's great, but

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Speaker 23: on the other hand, not as good as me.

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Speaker 2: No, exactly. Tell you what television program seems. Are you

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Speaker 2: still actively involved in that? That seems to be like

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Speaker 2: a real hit. It is a huge hit.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, and I thought it would be because they put

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Speaker 23: in so much effort and skill on that first season.

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Speaker 23: I thought, yeah, this is going to work. But it

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Speaker 23: worked way beyond anybody's expectations, even Amazon's expectations. They weren't

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Speaker 23: crazy about it. And I am involved. We talk all

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Speaker 23: the time. We discuss everything, even down to really banal things.

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Speaker 23: I'll get an email with a picture of a shoe

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Speaker 23: and somebody will say, would reach a wear a.

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Speaker 9: Shoe like this?

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, every single detail fantastic. Hey, listen, I

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Speaker 2: read something from you the other day suggesting you were

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Speaker 2: going to move back to Britain. Is that true? There

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Speaker 2: seems to be an angst building about America or American

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Speaker 2: society and all that's going on in your off Is

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Speaker 2: that true?

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Speaker 9: It is true. It's scary.

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Speaker 23: I mean, it is beyond anything that you can imagine

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Speaker 23: from the outside. I mean, I know, you get all

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01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 23: the news and you read it all and everything, and

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01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 23: you have an opinion, but it is vicious and toxic

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 23: and poisonous here. And I'm too old to kind of

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Speaker 23: grip my teeth and get through four bad years in

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Speaker 23: the hope of having some future thing. So yeah, you know,

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Speaker 23: I'm thinking if Trump gets selected or selected or whatever,

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Speaker 23: then I'm probably out of here.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what do you make of what's happened in the

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Speaker 2: last couple I mean of the Kamala Harris thing, the

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Speaker 2: Biden thing, the convention that we've seen both canines in

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. What have you learned from that?

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01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 23: I was never a huge Biden fan because I thought

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Speaker 23: he was as a senator, which was the bulk of

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01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 23: his career, he was pretty ordinary.

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Speaker 9: But actually he did a great.

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Speaker 23: Job as president, a great job getting out of COVID killing, inflation,

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Speaker 23: early boom in the economy. He's done really well, but

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Speaker 23: he is too old, There's no question about it. I mean,

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Speaker 23: it's just inhuman to make a guy that age campaign.

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Speaker 23: And so Kamala took over, and I again was dubious

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Speaker 23: about her, but she has had a miraculous six weeks

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Speaker 23: and that's got to be some kind of political skill

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Speaker 23: or talent. So yeah, I'm hopeful about her.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting. The other thing I read about you, by

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Speaker 2: the way, is your big scrap with your wind farm

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01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: in Wyoming. And the only reason I ask about that

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01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: is we're having this big debate in the country at

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Speaker 2: the moment about I mean, everyone is renewables and how

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Speaker 2: we do it and where we do it and all

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. Is wind farming in explain the

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01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 2: story your problem. You're not anti renewable though, are you?

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Speaker 23: Totally not? I mean, I'm all in favor of renewable

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Speaker 23: And Wyoming they call it the Saudi Arabia of wind

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Speaker 23: because it is constantly windy. Plus it is an empty state.

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Speaker 23: Nobody lives there. There are literally thousands of square miles

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Speaker 23: that are empty, and yet this particular wind farm they're

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01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 23: doing it cheap and lazy because they're doing it near

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Speaker 23: where there's already a transmission line, and they're trying to

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Speaker 23: thread it between a railroad track and a major highway

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01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 23: and people's houses simply to save the money of making

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Speaker 23: a transmission line for themselves somewhere else. And I've said

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Speaker 23: to them, look, I love renewables. I think we should

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01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 23: have the biggest wind farm on Earth. We should have

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Speaker 23: it visible from out of space. It should be the

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Speaker 23: eighth wonder of the world. But put it somewhere that

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Speaker 23: can accommodate it.

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01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: And are they Are you winning?

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Speaker 23: I think we're going to simply out of bureaucratic inertia.

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01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 23: You know, they are so slow at doing anything. Plus

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01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 23: the weather is so bad there they only have a

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Speaker 23: kind of three month period of the year where they

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01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 23: can construct anything. So I think, yeah, they're going to

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01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 23: bite the bullet and the motto should be go big

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01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 23: or go home, and they're going to find somewhere to

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01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 23: make a really big wind farm that nobody sees. It

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Speaker 23: doesn't get in anybody's way, but it generates billions of

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Speaker 23: dollars for the state.

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Speaker 9: They they need imagination.

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Speaker 2: Do you still like it out in that last time

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01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: we talked the country. You always get me confused if

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Speaker 2: somewhere in winter and then you go somewhere slightly less

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Speaker 2: winter refers it was like Colorado, Wyom you're all ov Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Do you still like that part of America that you know,

1441
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 2: that really dissolate part of America? I do, But it.

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Speaker 23: Really is the contrast between densely populated areas and not

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Speaker 23: densely populated areas. That is the fundamental divide in America,

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01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 23: where cities and the rural communities are totally different. And

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 23: so I've got a foot in each camp, and there

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01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 23: are charming people everywhere. And the tragedy is that the

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 23: kind of person that you know AOC in New York,

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01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 23: the congresswoman super hip, called woke and all that sort

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Speaker 23: of stuff. And I've met risk sensible women in Wyoming

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01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,879
Speaker 23: who can solve problems. If you swap those two around,

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 23: they would be each other within six months, because that's

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Speaker 23: what you do. You adapt to your context, you adapt

1453
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 23: to your location, and you try and help people out.

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01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 23: The instinct is exactly the same. The animosity is stupid fantastic.

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Speaker 23: Where would you go back to in Britain if you moved.

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01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 23: I fancy somewhere around Oxford, because you know it's intellectual,

1457
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 23: and I'd never got in the university, so at least

1458
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 23: I can go and live there now and pretend that

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Speaker 23: I'm in Brideshead revisited.

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Speaker 2: Well, wherever we find you next time, Lee, it's always

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to catch up. Go well with this book,

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Speaker 2: and good to talk to you as always.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'd love you to talk it. Mike Speech here soon.

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Speaker 2: There he is out of New York this morning, safe

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Speaker 2: enough and other stories, Lee Child eight twenty one on my.

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Speaker 2: And normally you'd say the super Bowl is the biggest

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01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: sporting event in America. Not so it was F one

1505
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: in Vegas. So anyway, Lego are going all in.

1506
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 10: Which team would you get if you were going to

1507
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 10: build a season, I.

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Speaker 2: Would go VCARB because the word on Liam is not

1509
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: only will it be announced this weekend in Singapore, he

1510
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 2: is going to get a drive for the rest of

1511
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 2: the season, Ricardo will be ejected from the seat. So

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01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 2: the theory was initially that the announcement was coming this weekend,

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01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 2: but then he'd sort of hold out and Ricardo finishes

1514
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 2: the season increasing amounts of reportage and there's a lot

1515
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 2: of it now, so I am assuming it's it's been

1516
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 2: leaked to a degree that Ricardo will drive one more

1517
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 2: time in Singapore and that will be him and Liam

1518
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 2: Lawson will be in for the rest of the year.

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Speaker 2: Watch This Space News is next.

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Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and fuse the Mike Hosking

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01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: Breakfast with Bailey's Real Life State your local experts across residential,

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 1: commercial and rural news tog sad Be.

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01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 2: I'm very excited for FEDERATID Farmers who were celebrating this

1524
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 2: week one hundred and twenty five, which is quite good.

1525
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty five years of FEDERATID Farmers eighteen

1526
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 2: ninety nine first properly constituted Farmers Union branch and Kai

1527
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 2: Tier Thomas Smith was the man behind at first national

1528
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: conference was held in ninety oh two. They also set

1529
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: up something fairly similar in Canterbury in nineteen ten Eckland

1530
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 2: Henry Ackland Mount Peel, the famous Mount Peel station. He

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01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: formed the Sheep Owners Federation or SOFF. They call it

1532
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 2: soft at the time. Anyway, in twenty five they got

1533
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: the women involved for the New Zealand Farmers Union, Florence Paulson,

1534
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 2: who was the wife of Sir Bill William Paulson, who

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 2: was president of the New Zealand Farmers Union at the time.

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01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm telling you nothing here. Anyway, You remember

1537
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: Will and Bill and Florence and stuff. You know how

1538
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 2: they were Anyway, after the war and forty five they

1539
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 2: thought let's get together and so they did so. One

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01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five years of Federated farmers, twenty two

1541
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 2: minutes away from.

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01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 13: Nine International correspondence with ended eye insurance, peace of mind

1543
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 13: for New Zealand business.

1544
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 2: That's in the UK time. Roninald's well us money mate,

1545
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: good volly to you, mate, I was reading overnight the youngest.

1546
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: This goes back to the riots that you endured. A

1547
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 2: couple of months ago. The youngest went to court, twelve

1548
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 2: year old boy. He didn't get jail, of course, but

1549
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: he threw a few things in Southport. I just and

1550
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you the other day, wouldn't we go

1551
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 2: back to Hugh Edwards which we did talk about the

1552
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 2: other day when he walks out and he doesn't get

1553
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: jail time and a whole bunch of people who threw

1554
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 2: some stuff do and long sentences? Is there a bit

1555
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 2: of angst around? There is the conversation around that approach

1556
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 2: of the courts or not.

1557
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 14: Oh, it's caused utter fury and it's dominated most of

1558
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 14: the social media in the country for the last three days.

1559
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 14: Absolutely it does. It's partly, you know, a mistaken equivalence

1560
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 14: in the by and large. I think probably if you

1561
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 14: look at the sort of sentence in which people who

1562
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 14: committed the crime which Hugh Edwards committed get, then that

1563
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 14: was kind of round about the middle of it, and

1564
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 14: he was repentant to the completely guilty earlier, etcetera, etcetera.

1565
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 14: But there is no doubt, and I think in a

1566
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 14: kind of awkward way Edwards the few Edwards cases highlighted this.

1567
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 14: There is a growing alarm about the politicization of court

1568
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 14: cases and sentences. Well, whether you're on the left or right.

1569
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 14: So if you're on the right, you may well question

1570
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 14: whether it is right to send someone to prison for

1571
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 14: eighteen months for saying who is Allah? You know, that

1572
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 14: seems to me it's not a question I asked myself,

1573
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 14: but I'm sure many people do. Whereas you know, it

1574
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 14: seems to me a bit much that you should get

1575
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 14: four years for one of those just stop oil protests,

1576
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 14: even if I, like so many other people of my

1577
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 14: generation and political bent, believes that they are entitled morons.

1578
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 14: Who you know, probably deserve what coming to them, but

1579
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 14: four years in prison really, and and all of that

1580
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 14: is politically motivated, the just up oil stuff by the

1581
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 14: fact that the police hadn't done anything about justu oil,

1582
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 14: they haven't arrested them, They've been treated very leaningly by

1583
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 14: the courts. This caused the hell round and then you've

1584
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 14: got the hard sentences and the riots because the new

1585
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 14: Labor because the Labor government wanted a sort to believe.

1586
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 14: So we're in the grip of a radical fascist revolution,

1587
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 14: whereas it was really just a bunch of claps out

1588
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 14: old sixty year old football hooligan has thrown a few bricks,

1589
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 14: you know.

1590
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 2: It's it's a funny thing because we're having the same

1591
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: to bite in this country. So the previous government here

1592
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 2: was the labor government. They let people out of prison.

1593
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 2: They were soft on crime. The new governments come in

1594
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 2: and they're trying to change some legislation, make it a

1595
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 2: bit harder and give longer sentences. But the fear is

1596
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 2: the judiciary don't listen. So how prescriptive is sentencing in

1597
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 2: Britain and how loose is it around the age just

1598
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:08,839
Speaker 2: depending on who the judges.

1599
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 14: Oh, it's we're far looser than you guys are now that.

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01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 14: There's a couple of things here. Firstly, which is that

1601
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 14: which is that the juristocracy has become far far more

1602
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 14: important in this country than it ever was before. We

1603
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 14: have far more lawyers. We have more lawyers perhead of

1604
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 14: population than any country in the world other than of

1605
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 14: course America, and sometimes something in the region of ten

1606
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 14: times as many per person as Japan. So the court

1607
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 14: has become ever more politicized, and by and large politicized

1608
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 14: towards the left, because that's what the establishment is. It's

1609
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 14: a it's a left wing establishment. So there is a

1610
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 14: there is a real problem there, and that's spread as

1611
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 14: well into the police, which used to be probably a

1612
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 14: bit too right wing, if we're absolutely honest, Mike, but

1613
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 14: which now could not possibly be accused of such a crime.

1614
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So the other day, then we come to Kirstama.

1615
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 2: The other day there was a little bit of money

1616
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 2: flowing his way for some nice ties and a few suits,

1617
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: and the missus got a few dresses as well. When

1618
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 2: does the freebie train stop? And how much trouble is

1619
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 2: he in?

1620
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 14: I think he's storing lot of trouble for himself. Right

1621
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 14: now since he took office as Prime Minister, so that's

1622
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,440
Speaker 14: two months ago. Mate is at hundred grand in Freebie's.

1623
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 14: That's nice work if you can get it. That includes

1624
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 14: two totally free tickets for his missus to go to

1625
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 14: see Taylor Swift, while you would wish to do. That

1626
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 14: is another issue though I also noticed how the Labor

1627
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 14: cabinet were there, but it also includes clothes and presents

1628
01:20:54,800 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 14: for his wife and free sporting passes for himself. It rankles,

1629
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 14: and it's one of the reasons that the opinion polls

1630
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 14: are now very very narrow, indeed, with Labor having only

1631
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 14: a four point lead over the Conservatives, who, so far

1632
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 14: as one is aware, don't actually exist anymore. So it's

1633
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 14: a remarkable thing that he's fallen so quickly, which is

1634
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 14: they are exactly the same. But in a way there

1635
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 14: was because we expect it from the Tories. But you've

1636
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 14: got of hypocrites, you know. You say you're going to

1637
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 14: be clean, and you're not clean. You appoint your own

1638
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 14: cronies to important government jobs, and you trouser as much

1639
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 14: as you can, you know, and I think that is

1640
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 14: becoming evident to people right now. Be interesting to see

1641
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 14: what would happen if the election have been held in

1642
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 14: two weeks time, you know, which is roughly when we

1643
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 14: were expecting the election.

1644
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: Interesting, I might go, well, we'll catch up next week.

1645
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 2: Rod little out of the UK. It is sixteen to

1646
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 2: two the.

1647
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: Mic casting Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

1648
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1649
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 2: It be just out of New York. I come back

1650
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 2: a couple of things in Britain I wanted to get to.

1651
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: But just in New York this morning, we as in

1652
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 2: New Zealand, have voted in favor of the UN resolution

1653
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 2: by voting yes. Israel's presence in the Occupied Palestine in

1654
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: territory is not acceptable. The conflict has gone on too long.

1655
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 2: It got majority support. It means nothing. It affirms the

1656
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 2: International Court of Justice's advisory opinion on Israel's unlawful presence.

1657
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 2: We have, according to Winston Peter's, a couple of concerns

1658
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 2: about aspects of the text of the resolution, twelve month

1659
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 2: time frame unrealistic, which of course is true. Are also

1660
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 2: disappointed with the resolution going beyond what was envisaged in

1661
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 2: the advisory opinion. But this is all new in talk

1662
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't think who gives some monkeys.

1663
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: By the way, the reference I made to the youngest

1664
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 2: boy as regards the riots a couple of months ago

1665
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 2: was twelve. He's twelve. So he turned up in court

1666
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 2: twelve month referral order. Cannot be named for legal reasons.

1667
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 2: He played guilty to violent disorder in Southport through stones

1668
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,839
Speaker 2: at police officers. Boy will be subject to a curfew

1669
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 2: between nine at night and seven in the morning each

1670
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: night for three months and then I didn't have time.

1671
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 2: I don't think Rod doesn't like London, so he probably

1672
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 2: doesn't care. But the idea is Sadiq Khan, who to

1673
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 2: his credit, keeps getting elected as Mayor of London third time.

1674
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 2: Now he wants to close off Oxford Street make up

1675
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 2: destrim and anyone who's ever been to Oxford Street knows

1676
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 2: full well one that's where all the buses and the

1677
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 2: cabs are. So but we know buses and no cabs.

1678
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 2: The first thing you do when you come out of

1679
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 2: Selfridges is look for a cab and there will be none.

1680
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 2: And Oxford Street is a very long street. It goes

1681
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: on a very long way, so when you come out

1682
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: of a place like Selfridges filled with bags, you'll be

1683
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 2: walking for miles before you get anything. So that's yet

1684
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: another example of him basically systemically systematically ruining the place.

1685
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 2: Mike last Grand Tour have to admit brought a tear

1686
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 2: to my eye. It brings a tea to my ahead.

1687
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 2: But I take your point. It's very it's a very

1688
01:23:58,439 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 2: nice program and well worth watching.

1689
01:23:59,800 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 9: Mike.

1690
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: The retireed age should be raised so you can stay

1691
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 2: on here and keep telling it like it is, Tony.

1692
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting? An interesting thing?

1693
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,560
Speaker 26: I don't think it's not compulsory to retire. Time A

1694
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 26: just understood what's going on there.

1695
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: I'm assuming though in some areas, like the public service,

1696
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 2: it still must be because the idea everyone's working past

1697
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 2: sixty five. These days, no one retires young unless they

1698
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 2: want to, I don't know, go see the world or

1699
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 2: something like that. More and more people are working as all.

1700
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 10: I want to do is retire. It's my whole gold

1701
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 10: in life.

1702
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: That's because you're no good Well, yeah, you know what

1703
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Actually, speaking of old people, Respect for Elderly

1704
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: Day is this week in Japan, a number of people

1705
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 2: aged sixty five and over all time high. They've got

1706
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 2: thirty six and a quarter million of them over sixty five.

1707
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: This is from Morgan Stanley. So they've got huge demographic

1708
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: problems and they've got a labor crunch. Overall, the population

1709
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 2: itself is declining, so that makes it worse. So the

1710
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 2: overall population is going backwards. Number of old people are

1711
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 2: going up. It's grown by twenty nine percent, highest share

1712
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: of any country in the world world last year. Number

1713
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 2: of Japan's workers age sixty five and over see what

1714
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 2: I mean, grew for the twentieth consecutive year, Riches a

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Speaker 2: record of nine point one four million, so everyone's working

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01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 2: post sixty five. A proportion of elderly people expected to

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01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 2: continue to rise to thirty four and a half percent

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01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 2: by twenty forty. The total labor force could drop though,

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01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 2: from about sixty nine million down to forty nine million,

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01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 2: so it's going backwards at a rate of knots. That's

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01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 2: between now and twenty fifty, so it's going backwards by millions.

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01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 2: But the percentage and number of people who are old

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01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 2: is going up. So the governments are all over this.

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01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 2: They're rolling out policies, more funds for child rearing, more

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01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 2: support for child care facilities. Local governments are supporting public

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01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,719
Speaker 2: dating apps. They're desperate for people to have more money.

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01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 2: There's more and more respect for old people, and I'm

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01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 2: leading the charge. It's nine minutes away from nine.

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01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 10: I've just warm up Yrsi in the frame. It's aloud

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01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 10: to be ready for you on my costume.

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01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 9: Breakfast with Baillies.

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01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 2: And Japan last two weeks. All the hotel, blue collar

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01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 2: staff for overseas immigrants. You see that a lot in

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01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 2: the hospital all over the world, Mike, once retirement ages reached,

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01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 2: step aside and make room for the next generation. It's

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01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 2: selfish to keep working unless you volunteers a weird old

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01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: world view.

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Speaker 10: That's a good point. Stop being so selfish.

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01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 2: And stop being so selfish. Tupplewear's bust. I'm not surprised

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01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 2: Katie brought home the last I think it's the last.

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01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: All that we may have overflow. You know, whoever's doing

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01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 2: the big glass containers at the supermarket at the moment,

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01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 2: whoever's doing that.

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01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,799
Speaker 10: That's worked well because you've forgotten who that is twice now.

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01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I don't know. New world is it? New worlds?

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01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 8: It?

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01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 2: She brought home the big one yesterday, made a delicious

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01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 2: cheese bake not in the container, another container, But we're

1749
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 2: going to.

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01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 10: Say, how did the container add to the taste of.

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01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 2: Thee have a clue what's going on? Anyway, As a

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01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 2: result of New World making these glass containers available when

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01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: you spend nine eight hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars

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01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 2: on groceries, tupperwear has gone into chapter eleven a bankruptcy.

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01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 2: It's been they started in the fifties and you to

1756
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 2: have you parties.

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01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 10: But so they've cited there as a direct cause, have they?

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01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 2: They said, if it wasn't for bloody New World in

1759
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: bankruptcy caught today, or I could have made that up.

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01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,759
Speaker 2: I'm getting old. Five minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now with the chemist Warehouse half price, Vito would sale.

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01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: On now now Carmela's word sell. It featured that earlier

1763
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 2: on in the program that's gone viral. So to us

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01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 2: Trump though, who's, by the way, in a bar in

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01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,719
Speaker 2: New York as we speak, a crypto bar in New York. Anyway,

1766
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: before he went to the crypto bar in New York,

1767
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: he's been in Michigan. He is answering a question now

1768
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 2: prizes to see if you can tell what he's talking about.

1769
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 2: But I do have to say.

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01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 8: So, I give these long, sometimes very complex sentences and paragraphs,

1771
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 8: but they all come together.

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01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 14: I do it a lot. I do it with.

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01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 8: Raisin Kine that story.

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01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 14: I do it with the story.

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01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 8: On the catapults, on the aircraft carries. I do it

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01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 8: with a lot of different stories. When I mentioned doctor

1777
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 8: Hannibal Lecter, I'm using that as an example of people

1778
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 8: that are coming in from silence of the lamps.

1779
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 9: I used it.

1780
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 8: They say it's terrible, So they say, so, I'll give

1781
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 8: this long, complex area for instance, that I talked about

1782
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 8: a lot of different territory. The bottom line, as I said,

1783
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 8: the most important thing, we're going to bring more plans

1784
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 8: into your state and this country to make automobiles.

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01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he got to automobiles, having heard a lot

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Speaker 2: of them. I'd never heard the catapult story, and I'm

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01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent certain i've heard the Lictor story either.

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01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:32,759
Speaker 10: Oh, come on, that's famous.

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01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: Is that a famous story or is it going look.

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01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 26: That out really well, because he seemed to think that

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01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 26: Hannibal Lictor was a real person and was he and

1792
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 26: sort of got confused as to whether Anthony Hopkins or

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01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 26: Hannibal Lictor was a good actor.

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01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh well, I'm glad you've heard that one. But

1795
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 2: what about the catapult? You heard the catapult? You haven't

1796
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: heard the catapult, have you? There's the catapult story?

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Speaker 19: You know.

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01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 26: I mussage that I was a bit stuffed about the catapult,

1799
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 26: but maybe there was one that he just told in

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01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 26: his head.

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01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: Exactly do you think there is a catapult story? Anyway?

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01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:57,759
Speaker 2: He wasn't rambling.

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01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 8: The fags just like to say, oh he was rambling.

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01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 9: No, No, that's that rambling.

1805
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 20: That's genius.

1806
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 9: When you can connect the.

1807
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: Dut you got to like it.

1808
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 10: When we fell into his trap.

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Speaker 26: He's apparently back in twenty nineteen he wanted to install

1810
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 26: steam catapults on aircraft carriers.

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Speaker 10: It does ring a vague bell with me.

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Speaker 2: On does it? Okay? Fair enough? Anyway, he's been in

1813
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Speaker 2: this crypto bar in New York. I thought he was

1814
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 2: launching his crypto business. He's about to launch a crypto business,

1815
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 2: but apparently not. He just went down there too.

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01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 26: He brought everybody around of burgers and drinks, and he

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01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 26: had to pay for it by scanning a QR code

1818
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 26: and they couldn't make the phone work.

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Speaker 2: You shortly and then your nine to noon session and

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Speaker 2: our little show's back as of six o'clock tomorrow morning,

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