1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: We've got the Prime Minister with us. A very good 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: morning to you. 3 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 2: Morning Mike. 4 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Do you think that the announcement yesterday which was bringing 5 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: forward to the original idea? Firstly, just quickly, why did 6 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: you bring it forward? 7 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: Because we can? I mean, it takes a while to 8 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: get through legislation and regulations. It's sort of often a 9 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 2: twelve month plus process, and we want to bring it 10 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: forward as we can in November next year. The bigger 11 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: issue here is we're trying to reset expectations with young 12 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: people that you just can't partially attend school and then 13 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 2: just drift on into unemployment benefit. And it is a 14 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: bit of a reset for under twenty five to say, 15 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you're expected to get connected with work or 16 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: employment or training or education. 17 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Sixty five thousand dollars. How did you land on that? 18 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 2: It's basically the income cut out point for the supported 19 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: living payment, and so it basically says, if you're coming 20 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: from very low income families, we're exempting you. But we 21 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: know it's quite low. But the reality is it puts 22 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: the pressure back on parents to say get those young 23 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: people into worker education. 24 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: What I was going to say is, I'm assuming it's 25 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: going to be like the traffic light system, and that 26 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: is when you put a bit of pressure on most 27 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: people will respond. 28 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: I'm trying to get this notion of rights and responsibilities understood. 29 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: Whether it's around benefit sanctions for not showing up and 30 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: looking for a job, whether it's in this case young 31 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: people taking responsibility getting connected with work and other things, 32 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: whether it's unruly tenants at KO frankly, prisoner voting, all 33 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: of those kinds of things. It's the principle of there 34 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: are rights to manchemi and there are responsibilities as well. 35 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: Okay, now Peter's on Friday. Now I know you're working 36 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: on some sort of law, but the idea that and 37 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: I happen to know where Peters lives and he's on 38 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: a small street and it's an unfortunate house. That's right 39 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: on the foot part. There's something fundamentally wrong with allowing 40 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: people to ruin a neighbour's neighborhoods day, isn't there? 41 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I mean, minister's an MP signed up for 42 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: public life, but your neighbors don't write. And you know 43 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: when you're getting families impacted by protesters coming to your home, 44 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: that's not on. It's not the key. We way. And 45 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: so what we're doing is we've got legislation to stop that. 46 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: It's in this leat committee phase at the moment, will 47 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: come back for second and third reading before it becomes 48 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: a law. But yeah, there's lots of places you can 49 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: protest a public figure, but you don't need to do 50 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: it at their home, upsetting the kids and the families 51 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: around them. 52 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: Did do you know what actually happened? Did anyone go 53 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: and round them up or not? 54 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a protocol. I have a similar thing. Obviously, 55 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 2: I get a lot of protests at my house as well. 56 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, but we's not great. I mean, you know, 57 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: you got neighbors with young kids who were sort of 58 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: woken up at eleven or twelve at night or four 59 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: in the morning or whenever they come. But the upshot 60 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: is that essentially the protocol is the police will come 61 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: out from very very quickly and and yeah and do 62 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: what moved them on or with them on. They can 63 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: make a risk if they can, but the new legislation 64 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: will make it a lot easier. 65 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: Okay, this open letter you tried on with Hepkins and 66 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: he said what he said, were you genuine? 67 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? I was if you go back and look at 68 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: the House and the Parliament. I've been calling on him 69 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: to do this for a long time. I've done so publicly. 70 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: Simon Wats and Megan Woods have had an interchange about 71 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: wanting to be bipartisan energy policy. But the first thing, 72 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 2: as sign and what's I said to Megan Woods and 73 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: as I've said to Hipkins, is look, if you can't 74 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 2: get over yourself and over the oil and gas band, 75 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: we need that repealed and we need that repelled for 76 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: at least a decade. So why don't you just commit 77 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: to that pretty basic sort of requirement because it's your 78 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: mess and your ideology that put us in this place. 79 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: But the problem is, and they've got you by the 80 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: shortened curlies in that sense. Happen though, because if I'm 81 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: looking at this country and I don't have any sight 82 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: beyond next year, why would I invest when I don't 83 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen? 84 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I mean there are things that I think, 85 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: you know, we're going to have to think through about 86 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: how we might support that investment going forward through legislation. 87 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: And all I'm saying is it would be helpful if 88 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: he could come out and say, look, we're going to 89 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: need gas for the next decade or two. For the 90 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: next decade. We're going to honor the investments that people 91 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: are making in this country to try and get gas 92 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: exploration and gas generation up and right. 93 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so what are you doing in legislation? 94 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: Well, there are things you know, first and almost we're 95 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: putting into chihundred million dollars. You know, we've overcome, not 96 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: turned over the oil and gas. But if there's things 97 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: we have to do further to give reassurance. So it's 98 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: confidence uncertain. 99 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: So what are you going to do? 100 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: Right? 101 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: A contract? This is if you sign up, we're going 102 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: to give you twenty five years, right, So whatever correct. 103 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: There might be ways you can think about. 104 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: That because what have you thinked about? 105 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: It depends on how we're not We're not at that 106 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: point yet. But what I'm saying is that what we're 107 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: trying to do is give confidence and clarity to that 108 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: industry that had it absolutely shattered, you know, on them 109 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: by eating that oil and gas ban or eating oil 110 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 2: and gas. 111 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: But that but that twenty five years, twenty years, whatever 112 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: it may be, certainty of tenure is we're. 113 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: Trying to do everything we can to give certainty. So 114 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: if you think about what was announced last week, I 115 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: know people have their views of, you know, it was 116 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: bold enough or whatever. The bottom line is it is 117 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: it's quite you know, some pretty strong stuff in there. 118 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: The fact that the government will follow its own money. 119 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: If Gen Taylors want to explore therm or firming capacity, 120 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: that's good. That gives some certainty to those guys that 121 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: they can invest in those in that form of energy. Likewise, 122 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: the two undred million dollars set side. Likewise, the repeal 123 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: of the oil and gas band with legislation, that's got 124 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: some leads to it that can last. 125 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Were you disappointed on that announcement last week on energy 126 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: reform the reaction to it. 127 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: Well, I get it. I mean everyone's got their reckons 128 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: and everyone comes out saying, oh, I wish it was bolder. 129 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: And then when you say, well, okay, well, you know, 130 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: if there was anything, if there was anything I thought 131 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 2: would make a difference, I would do it. I'm pretty 132 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: pragmatic and practical about it. You know, we have actually 133 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: said to the Gen Taylors, you've got to sell at 134 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: the same price now to all players that you would 135 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: to your own retailing operation. That's sort of a sort 136 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: of an approach to separation, but I think it's the 137 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: better way to go. We've said we've got to back 138 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: up the tournament, as we said, we'll actually back up 139 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 2: any capital that goes into thermal energy generation. All of 140 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: those things are setting a message to the industry. Look, 141 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: we want certainty clarity, so you can make that investment, 142 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 2: and we're happy to co invest with you if need be. 143 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: So you're happy with what you did. 144 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am, because I think there's a lot of 145 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people on energy. Everyone's got their 146 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: reckons and their ideas. I don't get that, but if 147 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: they were, if they were real, and they were I 148 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: thought they'd make a difference. I would have done it. 149 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: Okay. My only criticism of it was that you perhaps 150 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: played it to a point that we expected something big 151 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: the big didn't come. 152 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe, But I mean, I think what we've done 153 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: is pretty pretty serious, you know, and it's been a 154 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: series of actions that it gets you to a place 155 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: that gives that certainty to the industry to crack on 156 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: and invest. Right at its simplest, we've got to do 157 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: two things. We've got to double renewables that Actra generations 158 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: coming on stream pretty quickly. If you look at what's 159 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 2: happened even in fifteen months versus the previous five years, 160 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: that's pretty good. But our big issue is this gas 161 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: issue that we've got because of the ALLWN guests. Man. 162 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: So, Penny Simmons, I don't see your story here. Is 163 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: there a story? Is this going to be pumped along 164 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: for another week and some sort of scandal. 165 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: On the press gallery. I'm sure to go into a 166 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: process story, but the bottom line is there's no contravention 167 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: of the Cabinet Manual. She's doing exactly what we need 168 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: her to do, which is too She's un similarly for 169 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: e Can's down on the South Island as well, So 170 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: there's nothing there. 171 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: Okay. The Reserve Bank Wednesday. 172 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: Fifty points. I remember this conversation last time. Can I 173 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: just say asterix, I fully respect the independence of the 174 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: Reserve Bank. Would you like to see Well, like, I'm 175 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: not going to get into that. I'll just say, yeah, 176 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: you've seen commentators say somewhere we're doing twenty five and fifty, 177 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: but let's see what. 178 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Would you like fifty more than twenty five? Do we 179 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: need something? See how in the grief. 180 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: You got me into last time, my friend, and outline, 181 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: it's not that long. 182 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: So what is the role do you see of the 183 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: Reserve Bank in the here and now of the economy 184 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: versus what you're doing? 185 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so their role with respect to monetary policy, our 186 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: role is with respect to fiscal policy. The two have 187 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: to work together. That's why you're seeing good spending discipline 188 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: from our government, which is helping contribute to lower inflation. 189 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: We changed the mandate. I saw Liam Dan saying he 190 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: didn't think that was a good thing on the weekend, 191 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: but the reality is it was because we needed a 192 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: single focus on inflation, which actually is the as the 193 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: precursor to lowering interest rates. But look, we've got two 194 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: cuts potentially before Christmas. That would be a good thing. 195 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: Okay. The tennis roof and I know this didn't get 196 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: as much coverage. How great it is great. But what 197 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: I can't understand, having been to that facility many times 198 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: over the years, is why is something that only costs 199 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars takes so much time. Yeah. 200 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: Look, I mean I've watched that tournament for years. I 201 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: remember two years ago it got rained out. They end 202 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: up having to televise from an indoor, practiced stadium and 203 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: you go, it's just not a good projection of New 204 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: Zealand to the world. The other thing is those events 205 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: are under huge attraction from other cities around the world 206 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: as well, and actually the standard keeps being lifted each 207 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: and every time, so that roof idea is not just 208 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: similar to what exists in Adelaide or Queens Queens Queensland. 209 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: Similar things exist. It's a no brainer, right, I mean, 210 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: it's fifteen million dollars, five from US, five from the council, 211 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: five from tennis, and let's get the thing. 212 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: Hard hard can it be? Tap into your business leadership? 213 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: How would you handle the Nolintail situation. 214 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: It's a difficult one. I mean, obviously there's a lot 215 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 2: of legal issues going on there, and there's people who 216 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: are silence and can't say what they should there be well, 217 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 2: I mean I don't think we I don't actually I've 218 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: tried to sort of follow it from the outside, just 219 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: as a fan and as a as a curiosity, but 220 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: I can't work out what the problem actually and no 221 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 2: one's talking about it. 222 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: You're the chief executive, so a couple of players come 223 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: to you, a couple of employees come to you and go, 224 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: we don't like the boss, and you drag the boss 225 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: in and she goes. You can get stuffed. I do 226 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: things the way I do it. Take it a level would. 227 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 2: Well as a see, I'd have a pretty clear view 228 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: as well. I think that manager is doing a great 229 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: job or otherwise jobs. And as to the employees, we 230 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: might have a different conversation. Exactly my manager, who I've 231 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: put into that job, I'm backing them. 232 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so you would back the coach in other words, Well, 233 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: I mean you've employed the coach to do a job, 234 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: and that coach. 235 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: Long sometimes you know, employees don't like their boss. I 236 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 2: get all that. I'm just saying from my point of view, 237 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: i'd want to understand the manager where they're coming from. 238 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: Where what the employees' concerns are. I'd raise that with 239 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: a manager. Things that they could do differently or better. 240 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 2: It's no different. How long should we give? 241 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: How long should a meeting go on for? If you 242 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: have it, they had a ten hour meeting a number 243 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: of meetings like a lot of time, one of which 244 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: was ten hours long. Has has the leadership been lost 245 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: at that point? If you're having ten hour me. 246 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment on this. You're dragging me 247 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: into this. But from a process point of view, Sat, 248 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: there go. There's no way ten hour meetings that is 249 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: what you need. It all. You shouldn't have any meaning. 250 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 2: It goes along the half an hour in my view 251 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: maybe an hour at most. But I just be very 252 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: clear about you want to know your people, and so 253 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: for me, you know, it's the same way I think 254 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: about my ministers. It's like I know their strengths, their weaknesses, 255 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: will have conversations about what they're doing well and encourage 256 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: them on that and things that they need to step 257 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: up and do better. And if you've got that feedback culture, 258 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 2: that should be pretty straightforward, you know. And likewise you 259 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: take feedback from employees. I always used to have something 260 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: called three sixty feedback, so your employees would talk about 261 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: their managers and what they did well, what they didn't 262 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: do well. They'd take that one border's feedback to develop 263 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: and grow. But you know, so I don't know, I 264 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: don't know the specifics this one. 265 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. 266 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: Thanks for dragging me into It's always a fund sation. 267 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: On For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live 268 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: to News talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or 269 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on radio