1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalk sed B. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:15,987 Speaker 2: The name on everyone's lips in athletic circles both here 4 00:00:16,067 --> 00:00:18,267 Speaker 2: and around the world at the moment is Sam Ruth, 5 00:00:18,627 --> 00:00:22,507 Speaker 2: who captured global headlines during the week becoming the youngest 6 00:00:22,547 --> 00:00:26,907 Speaker 2: athlete ever to run a Subfuurmanut mile. Sam Tanner lead 7 00:00:27,067 --> 00:00:29,427 Speaker 2: Sam Ruth onto the home straight. 8 00:00:29,827 --> 00:00:33,267 Speaker 3: Here they come. The crowd roars them down the home straight. 9 00:00:33,467 --> 00:00:37,467 Speaker 2: Eric Comedia out Smart Stadium, Sam Tanna smiling. 10 00:00:37,907 --> 00:00:40,867 Speaker 3: Sam Routh's right now. 11 00:00:41,867 --> 00:00:46,307 Speaker 2: Oh that's a sub for baby. 12 00:00:47,187 --> 00:00:53,667 Speaker 1: That's a sub for both Ben Paul and Sam Ruth. 13 00:00:54,547 --> 00:00:56,947 Speaker 3: Joe sub for in the mile. 14 00:00:57,627 --> 00:01:04,107 Speaker 2: There's number forty nine, number fifty. Wowie, wowie. Indeed, Nick 15 00:01:04,147 --> 00:01:07,667 Speaker 2: Willis is one of our very best middle distance runners. 16 00:01:08,027 --> 00:01:12,067 Speaker 2: In fact, New Zealand's only two time Olympic medallist in 17 00:01:12,107 --> 00:01:15,187 Speaker 2: the fifteen hundred meters silver in two thousand and eight 18 00:01:15,227 --> 00:01:19,987 Speaker 2: in Beijing, Bronze at Rio in twenty sixteen. Nick, I 19 00:01:19,987 --> 00:01:23,027 Speaker 2: seem to remember you battling it out with Sam's dad, 20 00:01:23,107 --> 00:01:27,947 Speaker 2: Ben Ruth back in the day in Wellington Secondary schools athletics. 21 00:01:27,947 --> 00:01:28,667 Speaker 2: Have I got that right? 22 00:01:29,227 --> 00:01:30,987 Speaker 4: I don't even think it was a battle. He was 23 00:01:31,267 --> 00:01:34,027 Speaker 4: miles ahead of me. He was a seventh former when 24 00:01:34,027 --> 00:01:37,307 Speaker 4: I was the third form. So yeah, no, Ben was 25 00:01:37,427 --> 00:01:40,507 Speaker 4: the local Wellington legend and all of us looked up 26 00:01:40,507 --> 00:01:43,267 Speaker 4: to and we all were sort of seeing how far 27 00:01:43,347 --> 00:01:44,827 Speaker 4: we could get in the sport. And he was a 28 00:01:44,827 --> 00:01:47,827 Speaker 4: great mentor and a good friend over the years as well. 29 00:01:47,907 --> 00:01:51,587 Speaker 4: So we've kept in touching, especially with Sam's meteorite rise 30 00:01:51,627 --> 00:01:53,787 Speaker 4: in the last three or four months, so that's been 31 00:01:53,827 --> 00:01:56,267 Speaker 4: fun to sort of touch base with Ben through this 32 00:01:56,307 --> 00:01:57,187 Speaker 4: process as well. 33 00:01:57,627 --> 00:01:57,907 Speaker 3: Well. 34 00:01:58,107 --> 00:01:59,867 Speaker 2: I'll ask you a bit more about that in a moment, 35 00:01:59,907 --> 00:02:02,267 Speaker 2: in terms of any advice you've been passing on or 36 00:02:02,307 --> 00:02:04,747 Speaker 2: the connection you've got, But in terms of what Sam 37 00:02:04,747 --> 00:02:08,587 Speaker 2: achieved on Wednesday night going under four minutes for the 38 00:02:08,667 --> 00:02:12,387 Speaker 2: mile as a fifteen year old, can you somehow put 39 00:02:12,427 --> 00:02:15,347 Speaker 2: into context for us just what a feat that is. 40 00:02:17,947 --> 00:02:20,427 Speaker 4: I mean, the best context I use for myself is 41 00:02:20,427 --> 00:02:23,547 Speaker 4: that my best for the fifteen hundred meters, which is 42 00:02:23,587 --> 00:02:25,747 Speaker 4: one hundred and nine meters shorter than a mile at 43 00:02:25,787 --> 00:02:29,667 Speaker 4: that same age, was four zero nine, So I would 44 00:02:29,667 --> 00:02:31,707 Speaker 4: have been about two hundred and fifty to three hundred 45 00:02:31,787 --> 00:02:34,627 Speaker 4: meters behind him. When he crossed that line in the 46 00:02:34,667 --> 00:02:38,267 Speaker 4: same time, so that sort of shows And I was 47 00:02:38,267 --> 00:02:40,507 Speaker 4: the national champion at the time for my age, so 48 00:02:40,787 --> 00:02:42,147 Speaker 4: I thought that was a pretty good effort. 49 00:02:42,227 --> 00:02:43,827 Speaker 3: So he's so much further. 50 00:02:43,587 --> 00:02:48,227 Speaker 4: Ahead, and we all know how great the younger, the 51 00:02:48,267 --> 00:02:51,387 Speaker 4: young yakub Ainger Bricksent is. He's sort of the biggest 52 00:02:51,467 --> 00:02:53,507 Speaker 4: name in our sport these days, and he said all 53 00:02:53,547 --> 00:02:56,907 Speaker 4: of the youth age group records and now Sam's taken 54 00:02:57,027 --> 00:03:00,467 Speaker 4: his first one of yuk cubs in the mile, So yeah, 55 00:03:00,507 --> 00:03:03,587 Speaker 4: it really sets the stage for a really exciting and 56 00:03:03,667 --> 00:03:07,827 Speaker 4: promising future ahead. But most of to me, honestly, is 57 00:03:07,867 --> 00:03:10,307 Speaker 4: that there was a lot of pressure going into this race. 58 00:03:10,387 --> 00:03:14,227 Speaker 4: They called their goal publicly and they invited the crowd down, 59 00:03:14,267 --> 00:03:15,867 Speaker 4: and they did it on a New Zealand track and 60 00:03:15,867 --> 00:03:19,747 Speaker 4: it was catered around him producing this moment, and the 61 00:03:19,827 --> 00:03:21,867 Speaker 4: pressure didn't get the best of them. If anything, he 62 00:03:21,987 --> 00:03:25,267 Speaker 4: rose to the occasion. So I think that's what also 63 00:03:25,547 --> 00:03:28,107 Speaker 4: sort of gives me a lot of hope and excitement 64 00:03:28,187 --> 00:03:31,507 Speaker 4: for the future, as he would like leave this small 65 00:03:31,587 --> 00:03:35,147 Speaker 4: pond and onto the big, scary ocean of the world athletics. 66 00:03:35,187 --> 00:03:36,707 Speaker 4: But I think he will handle that pressure and a 67 00:03:36,707 --> 00:03:37,547 Speaker 4: problem at all. 68 00:03:38,027 --> 00:03:41,187 Speaker 2: In terms of his age, Nick, when would a middle 69 00:03:41,187 --> 00:03:44,707 Speaker 2: distance runner, a fifteen hundred meters runner, a miler typically 70 00:03:45,267 --> 00:03:47,187 Speaker 2: reach their peak? I know you're an outline because you 71 00:03:47,187 --> 00:03:49,907 Speaker 2: were winning bronze medals into your thirties, but when would 72 00:03:49,947 --> 00:03:53,547 Speaker 2: the middle distance runner typically reach their peak? 73 00:03:54,747 --> 00:03:57,507 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, the historically we used to say sort 74 00:03:57,507 --> 00:04:00,027 Speaker 4: of twenty four to twenty seven was the peak age. 75 00:04:00,067 --> 00:04:03,107 Speaker 4: But the next crop of kids coming through I call 76 00:04:03,187 --> 00:04:07,347 Speaker 4: him kids because I still viewed them that way in most. 77 00:04:06,827 --> 00:04:07,947 Speaker 3: Through last three or four years. 78 00:04:07,987 --> 00:04:10,427 Speaker 4: There's there's a handful of them all now doing incredibly 79 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:13,907 Speaker 4: well Inger Bricks and as we all know very well, 80 00:04:13,947 --> 00:04:17,187 Speaker 4: but in fifth place at the Olympics has pass year 81 00:04:17,187 --> 00:04:19,587 Speaker 4: In the fifteen hundred was this guy named Neils Laros 82 00:04:19,627 --> 00:04:22,627 Speaker 4: from the Netherlands who ran three twenty nine and now 83 00:04:22,747 --> 00:04:23,827 Speaker 4: young cam Myles. 84 00:04:23,867 --> 00:04:24,707 Speaker 3: He's only eighteen. 85 00:04:25,147 --> 00:04:27,667 Speaker 4: He just ran a three forty seven mile from Australia, 86 00:04:27,707 --> 00:04:30,067 Speaker 4: so he's only three years older than Sam, but he's 87 00:04:30,107 --> 00:04:33,067 Speaker 4: running eleven seconds fastest. So there's there's a whole crop 88 00:04:33,107 --> 00:04:36,947 Speaker 4: of these younger guys coming through now. So you almost 89 00:04:36,987 --> 00:04:38,947 Speaker 4: need to be doing what Sam's doing if you want 90 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:42,467 Speaker 4: to be considered a medal threat in the next one 91 00:04:42,507 --> 00:04:43,267 Speaker 4: or two Olympics. 92 00:04:43,627 --> 00:04:46,587 Speaker 2: How technical a rice is if we talk fifteen hundred 93 00:04:46,627 --> 00:04:48,867 Speaker 2: meters here, how technical a rice is. 94 00:04:48,787 --> 00:04:52,507 Speaker 4: That Well, of late, they haven't been tactical at all 95 00:04:52,507 --> 00:04:55,107 Speaker 4: because Inger Brickson goes to the front and just pushes 96 00:04:55,147 --> 00:04:56,627 Speaker 4: it hard from the gun and they all just get 97 00:04:56,627 --> 00:04:59,107 Speaker 4: on the train. So you've got to have the endurance, 98 00:04:59,307 --> 00:05:01,467 Speaker 4: and they were all to just get on that and 99 00:05:01,507 --> 00:05:04,427 Speaker 4: hang on for dear life. But I have a suspicion 100 00:05:04,707 --> 00:05:08,347 Speaker 4: once he moves up exclusively to the longer distances, then 101 00:05:09,107 --> 00:05:11,947 Speaker 4: there may be a couple of championship races which would 102 00:05:11,947 --> 00:05:13,507 Speaker 4: be more like the ones that I used to take 103 00:05:13,547 --> 00:05:16,067 Speaker 4: part in them, where people sort of bided their time 104 00:05:16,187 --> 00:05:19,907 Speaker 4: until the bell lap. But Sam, I was debating with 105 00:05:19,947 --> 00:05:22,147 Speaker 4: my dad about this, and he wasn't sure about Sam's 106 00:05:22,147 --> 00:05:25,067 Speaker 4: closing speed, but he certainly showed that he had that 107 00:05:25,227 --> 00:05:28,187 Speaker 4: in the New Zealand Championships just a couple of weeks 108 00:05:28,187 --> 00:05:31,507 Speaker 4: ago in Dunedin where he dead heated with Sam Tana 109 00:05:31,587 --> 00:05:34,587 Speaker 4: with a withering sprint over the last four hundred meters. 110 00:05:34,587 --> 00:05:36,747 Speaker 4: So I think he's got He's got all of the 111 00:05:36,787 --> 00:05:39,987 Speaker 4: tools that you need to speed the endurance. But probably 112 00:05:39,987 --> 00:05:42,107 Speaker 4: more important than all of that stuff is that he's 113 00:05:42,147 --> 00:05:46,227 Speaker 4: got an incredibly stable environment at home with his parents, 114 00:05:47,187 --> 00:05:49,987 Speaker 4: and then his coach and his training partner, and Craig 115 00:05:50,067 --> 00:05:52,667 Speaker 4: Kirk with the coach, and then Sam Tana his training partner. 116 00:05:53,107 --> 00:05:55,547 Speaker 4: He's really got the full shabang when it comes to 117 00:05:55,667 --> 00:05:58,667 Speaker 4: making sure that there's the right people around him to 118 00:05:59,347 --> 00:06:02,187 Speaker 4: foster this talent, but also shelter him from some of 119 00:06:02,227 --> 00:06:07,267 Speaker 4: the distractions and tentations that might the way in terms 120 00:06:07,307 --> 00:06:11,227 Speaker 4: of sponsorships or agents or other coaches trying to lure 121 00:06:11,307 --> 00:06:13,067 Speaker 4: him away. He can just sort of keep doing what 122 00:06:13,107 --> 00:06:15,067 Speaker 4: he's doing, go for a few laps around the mount 123 00:06:15,427 --> 00:06:18,147 Speaker 4: and enjoy his time just being a lad in total, 124 00:06:18,427 --> 00:06:21,107 Speaker 4: while also having some amazing results as well. 125 00:06:21,307 --> 00:06:23,187 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you that because I can 126 00:06:23,267 --> 00:06:26,147 Speaker 2: imagine that, you know, a lot of young athletes don't 127 00:06:26,187 --> 00:06:30,547 Speaker 2: have family parents, for example, who have been good at 128 00:06:30,547 --> 00:06:32,467 Speaker 2: the same thing that they're good at, so they could 129 00:06:32,467 --> 00:06:35,107 Speaker 2: easily have their head turned as you say, Nick bye 130 00:06:35,507 --> 00:06:40,347 Speaker 2: by you know, deals with footwear manufacturers or university you know, 131 00:06:40,387 --> 00:06:43,427 Speaker 2: scholarships and such like. How helpful do you think it'll 132 00:06:43,427 --> 00:06:47,107 Speaker 2: be for Sam that he's got his dad, Ben as 133 00:06:47,507 --> 00:06:48,707 Speaker 2: one of his biggest guiders. 134 00:06:49,947 --> 00:06:53,787 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure Ben's Ben and his mum's Jess are 135 00:06:53,827 --> 00:06:56,427 Speaker 4: not immune to some of those temptations as well, because hey, 136 00:06:56,467 --> 00:06:59,307 Speaker 4: I'm a parent. I get excited when my son's playing basketball, 137 00:06:59,307 --> 00:07:01,667 Speaker 4: and you sort of ride your kid's coattails a little bit. 138 00:07:02,187 --> 00:07:05,107 Speaker 4: But Ben has the connections right to ask the right questions, 139 00:07:05,107 --> 00:07:07,147 Speaker 4: and that's partly why he reached out to me a 140 00:07:07,187 --> 00:07:09,787 Speaker 4: month or so ago, like, Hey, all these shoe companies 141 00:07:09,827 --> 00:07:12,587 Speaker 4: are reaching out to me, like what's what's considered market 142 00:07:12,627 --> 00:07:14,187 Speaker 4: read and all that sort of stuff, And that's the 143 00:07:14,227 --> 00:07:18,147 Speaker 4: line of work that I'm in. But he's he's also 144 00:07:18,227 --> 00:07:22,587 Speaker 4: a successful business owner himself, so they're probably not as 145 00:07:23,147 --> 00:07:25,627 Speaker 4: a need to make a hasty decision on that front 146 00:07:25,667 --> 00:07:28,027 Speaker 4: as well. But the main thing they want to do 147 00:07:28,147 --> 00:07:31,067 Speaker 4: is like keep their options open. And once you sort 148 00:07:31,067 --> 00:07:33,547 Speaker 4: of head down certain paths, it's hard to turn back from. 149 00:07:33,587 --> 00:07:35,827 Speaker 4: So keep all of the options out in front of 150 00:07:35,827 --> 00:07:37,867 Speaker 4: you so that as Sam gets older and he can 151 00:07:37,907 --> 00:07:39,947 Speaker 4: make his own decisions, they're still there presented. 152 00:07:40,947 --> 00:07:44,787 Speaker 2: How helpful do you assess Sam Tanner has been for 153 00:07:44,827 --> 00:07:46,587 Speaker 2: Sam Ruth? I mean, first of all, on the pacemaking 154 00:07:46,587 --> 00:07:48,947 Speaker 2: on Wednesday night, that clearly was a big help. But 155 00:07:48,987 --> 00:07:51,987 Speaker 2: in terms of being alongside a you know, now a 156 00:07:52,027 --> 00:07:54,307 Speaker 2: fairly experienced fifteen hundred meter runner. 157 00:07:55,387 --> 00:07:57,707 Speaker 3: Yeah, not just his experience at the very top. 158 00:07:58,227 --> 00:08:02,587 Speaker 4: For anyone who's ever been around Sam, he's he's probably 159 00:08:02,587 --> 00:08:07,467 Speaker 4: the most enthusiastic, enthusiastic and positive person I've ever been around. 160 00:08:08,187 --> 00:08:10,547 Speaker 4: And nearly everyone who you'll see who's ever met Sam 161 00:08:10,587 --> 00:08:12,227 Speaker 4: will feel that same way as well. 162 00:08:12,267 --> 00:08:13,027 Speaker 3: He's got just just. 163 00:08:13,227 --> 00:08:19,587 Speaker 4: Like charismatic enthusiasm that just it just emanates off of 164 00:08:20,027 --> 00:08:22,347 Speaker 4: his presence and like it just makes everyone a better 165 00:08:22,387 --> 00:08:24,867 Speaker 4: people around him. And so, first of all, Sam's around 166 00:08:24,867 --> 00:08:29,267 Speaker 4: that example, but also having been someone that, yeah, has 167 00:08:29,307 --> 00:08:32,147 Speaker 4: done it at the very top, and Sam Tanner is 168 00:08:32,627 --> 00:08:35,467 Speaker 4: because of that attitude that he has, He's also pretty 169 00:08:35,507 --> 00:08:37,347 Speaker 4: care free, so he doesn't let the stress get the 170 00:08:37,347 --> 00:08:40,067 Speaker 4: best of him. He's a surfer as his background, so 171 00:08:40,107 --> 00:08:43,747 Speaker 4: he's pretty laid back and going to an Olympic start 172 00:08:43,787 --> 00:08:46,067 Speaker 4: line doesn't intimidate him at all and it's just oh 173 00:08:46,147 --> 00:08:49,627 Speaker 4: sweet as bro. So I think that a lot of that, 174 00:08:49,867 --> 00:08:53,347 Speaker 4: just like seeing that example and then coming alongside has 175 00:08:53,387 --> 00:08:56,907 Speaker 4: really helped Sam. Ruth but also the fact that Sam 176 00:08:56,987 --> 00:09:00,107 Speaker 4: Tanner doesn't have an ego and has no problem cheering 177 00:09:00,227 --> 00:09:04,267 Speaker 4: him along this whole way. And sometimes it's hard to 178 00:09:04,347 --> 00:09:07,587 Speaker 4: have two alphas in a training group, there starts to 179 00:09:07,627 --> 00:09:10,587 Speaker 4: be some sort of tension brewing, but that wouldn't be 180 00:09:10,587 --> 00:09:12,707 Speaker 4: the case at all with Sam Tanner. He's excited to 181 00:09:12,827 --> 00:09:15,147 Speaker 4: help Sam Ruth along as best as he can. 182 00:09:15,307 --> 00:09:17,667 Speaker 2: Which I think you were with Sam Tanner, would you? 183 00:09:17,707 --> 00:09:20,107 Speaker 2: Did I see that you pace? You were pacemaker when 184 00:09:20,147 --> 00:09:22,987 Speaker 2: Sam Tana first went sub four? Is that right? 185 00:09:23,987 --> 00:09:24,147 Speaker 3: Yeah? 186 00:09:24,187 --> 00:09:25,947 Speaker 4: It was all for show, though I deep DOWNE was 187 00:09:25,987 --> 00:09:26,707 Speaker 4: insecure it. 188 00:09:26,707 --> 00:09:27,587 Speaker 3: Now I'm just joking. 189 00:09:29,667 --> 00:09:33,427 Speaker 4: No, that's fun, right, Like a lot of us are 190 00:09:33,427 --> 00:09:36,747 Speaker 4: fans first before the talent sort of gets a chance 191 00:09:36,747 --> 00:09:39,907 Speaker 4: to realize itself. So like I, as much as in 192 00:09:40,067 --> 00:09:42,307 Speaker 4: and us want to see the next New Zealand Great 193 00:09:42,347 --> 00:09:43,187 Speaker 4: Mala come through. 194 00:09:43,267 --> 00:09:43,587 Speaker 3: And so. 195 00:09:45,147 --> 00:09:47,907 Speaker 4: Sam Tanner, hopefully you have as time get break my 196 00:09:47,987 --> 00:09:51,027 Speaker 4: New Zealand record and breat Peter Snells and John Walker's records, 197 00:09:51,027 --> 00:09:54,507 Speaker 4: and hopefully when a middle or two and then Sam 198 00:09:54,587 --> 00:09:57,667 Speaker 4: Ruth you're about to keep the keep the momentum going. 199 00:09:57,667 --> 00:09:59,067 Speaker 3: So that would be the ideal world. 200 00:09:59,067 --> 00:10:02,427 Speaker 4: But it also helps Sam Tanner out right because he's 201 00:10:02,467 --> 00:10:04,987 Speaker 4: decided to not be based overseas and be boast in 202 00:10:05,027 --> 00:10:07,147 Speaker 4: total on so rather than just training. 203 00:10:06,827 --> 00:10:08,547 Speaker 3: With high school kids he is. 204 00:10:08,867 --> 00:10:10,587 Speaker 4: It just has happens that one of them is the 205 00:10:10,587 --> 00:10:13,107 Speaker 4: greatest fifteen year old of all time. So he'll now 206 00:10:13,267 --> 00:10:16,067 Speaker 4: have a world class training partner to help keep him 207 00:10:16,067 --> 00:10:17,987 Speaker 4: on his toes and make sure he doesn't sort of 208 00:10:18,627 --> 00:10:22,947 Speaker 4: get a bit complacent. And the nine months of the 209 00:10:23,027 --> 00:10:25,547 Speaker 4: year when you're not racing over in Europe and just. 210 00:10:25,507 --> 00:10:28,747 Speaker 2: Back to Sam Ruth to finish. Is all of this 211 00:10:28,867 --> 00:10:32,267 Speaker 2: happening perhaps in any way too quickly? Nick? Could there 212 00:10:32,307 --> 00:10:35,627 Speaker 2: be a danger that this is all happening so so quickly. 213 00:10:35,627 --> 00:10:37,747 Speaker 2: We're talking now about a Commonwealth Games next year that 214 00:10:37,787 --> 00:10:40,147 Speaker 2: he could go to as a sixteen year old and 215 00:10:40,187 --> 00:10:42,667 Speaker 2: Olympic Games in a couple of years as an eighteen 216 00:10:42,707 --> 00:10:44,587 Speaker 2: year old. Is this all happening a little bit too 217 00:10:44,667 --> 00:10:45,267 Speaker 2: quickly or not? 218 00:10:46,547 --> 00:10:50,347 Speaker 4: I think his team around him are asking the right 219 00:10:50,467 --> 00:10:53,027 Speaker 4: questions and are going to make some wise decisions. And 220 00:10:53,587 --> 00:10:57,027 Speaker 4: you want to expose him to opportunities because you want 221 00:10:57,107 --> 00:10:59,067 Speaker 4: him to stay excited, but you also don't want to 222 00:10:59,067 --> 00:11:00,827 Speaker 4: miss out on what has made him such a good 223 00:11:00,907 --> 00:11:04,907 Speaker 4: runner as doing the real basics that is required in 224 00:11:05,027 --> 00:11:07,147 Speaker 4: the other nine months of the year, training so that 225 00:11:07,187 --> 00:11:09,107 Speaker 4: you can peak at the time of the year. 226 00:11:09,267 --> 00:11:10,467 Speaker 3: The hard thing is a key Wes. 227 00:11:10,467 --> 00:11:13,867 Speaker 4: You're in an opposite hemisphere, so the seasons are reversed, 228 00:11:14,387 --> 00:11:17,027 Speaker 4: so you've got to pick and choose your battles wisely 229 00:11:17,107 --> 00:11:20,187 Speaker 4: when you go to the Northern Hemisphere to race against 230 00:11:20,267 --> 00:11:25,387 Speaker 4: those Northern Hemisphere athletes, and it's necessary, but you can't 231 00:11:25,387 --> 00:11:30,707 Speaker 4: always sacrifice the off season training that has done behind 232 00:11:30,747 --> 00:11:31,667 Speaker 4: closed doors that. 233 00:11:31,947 --> 00:11:33,787 Speaker 3: Helps you become the great athlete you are. 234 00:11:33,827 --> 00:11:35,987 Speaker 4: So I'm sure they'll pick and choose those battles and 235 00:11:36,067 --> 00:11:37,867 Speaker 4: one day he will have to make the decision that 236 00:11:38,707 --> 00:11:40,627 Speaker 4: he's too big for the New Zealand scene and he 237 00:11:40,667 --> 00:11:43,227 Speaker 4: will still base there, but he will train through the 238 00:11:43,267 --> 00:11:45,947 Speaker 4: New Zealand summer and pretend that it's like the Northern 239 00:11:45,947 --> 00:11:50,067 Speaker 4: Hemisphere winter and focuses racing in the June July August 240 00:11:50,187 --> 00:11:52,547 Speaker 4: time frame. But I don't think that's necessary in the 241 00:11:52,627 --> 00:11:54,787 Speaker 4: next couple of years, but I'm sure Craig and Ben 242 00:11:54,827 --> 00:11:56,507 Speaker 4: and their team will make the good decisions. 243 00:11:56,947 --> 00:11:59,147 Speaker 2: Exciting times ahead. Nick, thanks so much for joining us 244 00:11:59,147 --> 00:12:02,187 Speaker 2: to lend us your analysis and inside always appreciate you're 245 00:12:02,187 --> 00:12:04,067 Speaker 2: taking the time. Good to catch up as well. All 246 00:12:04,107 --> 00:12:05,867 Speaker 2: the best and we'll talk again. So no hope. 247 00:12:06,787 --> 00:12:08,547 Speaker 3: Hey, thanks Jason, take care bybe. 248 00:12:08,427 --> 00:12:10,187 Speaker 2: Yeah, you take care as well. Nick nick will is there, 249 00:12:10,307 --> 00:12:13,267 Speaker 2: a double Olympic medalist in the fifteen hundred meters, still 250 00:12:13,307 --> 00:12:16,307 Speaker 2: closely connected by the sounds of things to the Ruth 251 00:12:16,387 --> 00:12:19,187 Speaker 2: family through his relationship with Sam's dad Benruth. 252 00:12:19,987 --> 00:12:23,147 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 253 00:12:23,267 --> 00:12:26,547 Speaker 1: to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or follow 254 00:12:26,587 --> 00:12:28,187 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.