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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. The Greens are facing a conundrum. They've got

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Speaker 1: the power to kick Darlene Tunner out of Parliament under

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Speaker 1: the Walker Jumping law, but they've made such a song

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Speaker 1: and dance of how much they opposed the law in

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Speaker 1: the past that using it would make hypocrites of them.

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Speaker 1: But if they don't use it, Darlene Tunner might stick

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Speaker 1: around because she so far ignored their request that she

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Speaker 1: resigned from Parliament over the report into her. Former Greens

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Speaker 1: MP Gareth hugheses with me on this. Hey Gareth, Yeah, coo, Heather,

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Speaker 1: do they use it or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, would be really surprised if they did use it,

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Speaker 2: and it would be a huge departure for the Greens

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Speaker 2: to use it given their decades long opposition to it

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Speaker 2: under multiple leaders and multiple caucuses. They haven't used it

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Speaker 2: in the past. I've spoken out very strongly against it,

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Speaker 2: so it would surprise me if they did end up

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Speaker 2: invoking it.

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Speaker 1: So why aren't they ruling it out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one I'm a little bit deafore to

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Speaker 2: be honest. I guess it's a question you'd have to

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Speaker 2: ask Chloe and the Green Paddy while they're not you know,

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Speaker 2: perhaps it looks like the relationship really has broken down.

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Speaker 2: So perhaps when you're in a tough negotiation, you want

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Speaker 2: to keep a little something up your sleeve. That's just

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Speaker 2: me speculating, but yeah, I would be surprised if they

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Speaker 2: invoted it.

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Speaker 1: So what you're suggesting is it might just be a

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Speaker 1: leverage to help her make her decision herself with the

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Speaker 1: threat of them using this potentially.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's possible, you know, I'm just entirely speculating at

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Speaker 2: this point. You know, the party has voted against it

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Speaker 2: in parliament. They begrudgingly voted for it, describing it as

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Speaker 2: a dead rat in the twenty eighteen term when it

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Speaker 2: was a part of the commitment of being in government

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Speaker 2: alongside Labor in New Zealand first. So they've always spoken

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Speaker 2: out very strongly against it because of the fact that

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Speaker 2: it stifles the freedom of speech of elected representatives. It

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Speaker 2: sort of maintains the party dominance and the power of leaders.

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Speaker 2: We've got some of the most party dominated parliamentary mechanisms

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Speaker 2: in the entire developed world. Our parties are stronger and

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Speaker 2: demand more than almost any other country. So this does

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Speaker 2: strengthen the hand of party leaders who have used it

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Speaker 2: to stifle defense. Descent was in their parties and that's

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Speaker 2: why CO leaders like janetfitz Simons and Rob Donald spoke

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Speaker 2: out so strongly against it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah too right. I agree with you on that, Gareth.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, appreciate you time, mate. That's Gareth Hughes,

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Speaker 1: former Greens MP. For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive,

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