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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplic Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else.

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Speaker 2: News talks heavy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, the government's

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Speaker 3: announced changes or is announcing changes shortly to the consenting rules.

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Speaker 3: We'll speak to the minister after five o'clock. Now it's

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Speaker 3: the big Ukrainian meeting at the White House in just

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Speaker 3: a few hours. We'll have a chat to the Ukrainian ambassador.

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Speaker 3: And also there are calls to raise the age for

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Speaker 3: working holidays from thirty to fifty. Would you work on

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Speaker 3: holiday at fifty?

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Speaker 1: We'll explain, Heather duplic Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So, if anything, tonight's meeting at the White House is

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Speaker 3: actually more important than Saturday's meeting was in Alaska, because

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Speaker 3: this is the meeting with Celensky, right, this is the

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Speaker 3: meeting with a guy who has been invaded, has to

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Speaker 3: spell out how much land he is prepared to give

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Speaker 3: up to Putin. And that is a lot harder than

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Speaker 3: what happened in Alaska, which was just Putin laying down

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Speaker 3: his dream scenario. And you can see that the European

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Speaker 3: leaders realize that this is important and is more important

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Speaker 3: because they're coming with Zelensky. You've got Kiir Starmer of

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Speaker 3: the UK, Ammanual macronoff France, Frederick Merse of Germany, a

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of others, and they're going to be Zeleenzi

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Speaker 3: Zelenski's hype squad at the White House to try to

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Speaker 3: stop Trump bullying him, which is actually fair enough after

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Speaker 3: what happened last time. But I have to be honest.

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Speaker 3: I find Europe endlessly frustrating over Ukraine. I mean, here

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Speaker 3: they are dropping everything to rush over to Washington with

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Speaker 3: Zelensky to presumably stop Trump from taking too much of

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Speaker 3: Ukraine's land away from them. But where was this haste

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Speaker 3: in dropping everything and helping Ukraine to stop Putin taking

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Speaker 3: Ukraine's land away from them? These guys have, these are

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Speaker 3: the European guys. Have absolutely supplied weapons, but the spend

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Speaker 3: when you look at it, has actually been tiny. I

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Speaker 3: mean they make such a song and dance to the

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Speaker 3: fact that Ukraine has to hold the line otherwise Putin

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Speaker 3: help Ukraine to hold the line for a war that

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Speaker 3: threatens them. Germany has put in less than zero point

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Speaker 3: less than zero point one percent of GDP. In a

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Speaker 3: few weeks ago, You'll remember they had the idea of

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Speaker 3: putting European boots on the ground in Ukraine. They formed

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Speaker 3: the Coalition of the Willing and it was all go,

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Speaker 3: and then it never happened. No boots ever arrived. Now,

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Speaker 3: those boots might actually have been helpful to Ukraine and

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Speaker 3: being able to fight Putin off. And so it is

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Speaker 3: somewhat rich that these leaders who are not prepared to

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Speaker 3: actually really help Zelenski hold the line against Putin now

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Speaker 3: suddenly want to help him hold the line against Trump.

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Speaker 3: I mean they are probably right. Putin probably does want

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Speaker 3: up Land only delays the problem, doesn't solve it, because

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Speaker 3: Putin will just come for more later on. But what

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Speaker 3: other option does Zelensky have right now, because he cannot

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Speaker 3: keep fighting like this if Europe won't actually help him fight,

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Speaker 3: other than just giving him a few nice words in

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Speaker 3: a hype squad.

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Speaker 1: Heather du for CLA, I remember when we were driving

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Speaker 1: driving in your car, skied.

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Speaker 4: It's a fast fill out of Trump nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Ninety As the text understand the text fees apply, We're

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Speaker 3: going to speak to them. The color willis by the

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Speaker 3: way after. There's a little bit more on this that

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Speaker 3: I need to fill you in on, and i'll get

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: On another matter altogether, Regulation Minister David Seymour has decided

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Speaker 3: moment you have to wear them, and the Ministry has

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Speaker 3: advised Seymour that it should stay that way because if

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Speaker 3: going to die. Patrick Morgan from the Cycle Action Network

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Speaker 3: is with us. Hey, Patrick, Hello, how are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Has he made the right call?

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Speaker 6: Well, he made the right call to ask for advice

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Speaker 6: We've never had a review of New Zealand's compulsory bicycle

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Speaker 3: Here, Okay, well, why do you think we made the

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Speaker 6: It depends on the problem You're trying to solve. If

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Speaker 6: we're trying to reduce head injuries, which is a good

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Speaker 6: require helmets for many things that we do every day,

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Speaker 6: such as driving our fast cars, such as walking, such

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Speaker 6: as DIY. But if we're trying to solve the problem

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Speaker 6: of inactivity, which we know is killing more than two

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Speaker 6: thousand people a year in New Zealand, you'd want more

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Speaker 6: people to be active than anything that's a barrier to cycling.

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Speaker 6: Should we should look at removing that. So let's think

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Speaker 6: about every other country in the world that's looked at

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Speaker 6: helmet compulsion. They look at New Zealand and say, what happened?

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Speaker 6: There was a really bad thing. We need to think

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Speaker 6: this through very carefully.

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Speaker 3: Can we actually patrick see a drop off where we

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Speaker 3: force the helmets and people stop cycling?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: And we know that because in Australia, when helmet laws

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Speaker 4: To fall off.

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Speaker 6: So in New Zealand, after helmet compulsion was introduced more

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Speaker 6: eighty percent. Now there's other reasons for that, but we

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Speaker 6: know that forcing people to wear bike helmets is disproportionate

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Speaker 8: Again, but.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's complicated.

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Speaker 3: At Patrick. Here's the thing, Okay, I really want people

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Speaker 3: to be riding on their bikes. But man, I'm a

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Speaker 3: I'm still strapping a helmet on that kid, because if

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Speaker 3: can do some damage that you live with for the

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Speaker 3: not worth the risk without a helmet.

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Speaker 6: Look, I absolutely understand that, and I respect people who

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Speaker 6: make that call. You could say exactly the same thing

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Speaker 6: about driving in your fast car, like your song said

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'd love to know the incidence of people

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Speaker 3: feels to me like it's more frequent than in a car.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's a good reason to do a proper

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Speaker 6: review of the helmet law. Yeah, and make sure that

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Speaker 6: it's achieved what it's set out to achieve thirty years

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Speaker 6: ago with all the new evidence that's come in. Is

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Speaker 6: it possible, say, get on your here that riding a

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Speaker 6: does it really make sense for the government to tell

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Speaker 3: I agree with you on that, although, Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you're if you're driving down Ponsonby Road where you've

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Speaker 3: I would have thought. Is it possible that the reason

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Speaker 3: drop off when the helmets are introduced is because when

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Speaker 3: you introduce the mandate, people suddenly realize how dangerous this

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're onto something that it's certainly dangerfied

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Speaker 6: cycling in the nineties. You probably remember the campaign as

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Speaker 6: you know, telling you about the terrible things can happen

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Speaker 6: valid concern. But before we pass the rule, it needs

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Speaker 6: I suspect that that assessment was never really done in

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Speaker 6: New Zealand, so it's time to take a fresh look

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Speaker 6: at it. But speaking on behalf of Cycling Action Network,

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Speaker 6: we think there's higher priorities at the moment. Protected bike lane,

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Speaker 6: safe speeds. These are all things that the Minister for

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Speaker 6: Regulation could more profitably be spending his time on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Patrick, I really appreciate your time mate. You

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Speaker 3: look after yourself. Patrick Morgan's Cycle Action Network. Hither the

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Speaker 3: overweight people who don't exercise are not suddenly going to

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Speaker 3: have to wear a helmet. This is a fair point. Well,

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Speaker 3: oh lord, can you know and you know how strapped

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Speaker 3: Hither this is hypocrisy on the helmets when compared to

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Speaker 3: drunk lime scooters riding with no helmets. Mark, you make

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Speaker 3: an excellent point. Eighteen past four.

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Speaker 3: are you convinced by the All Blacks victory is pretty good?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Seventeen points bonus point win in the first game of

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Speaker 10: it's very convincing. You look at the game and you

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Speaker 10: think first half very very good, last fifteen minutes pretty good.

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Speaker 7: It was that first twenty minutes.

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Speaker 10: Of the second half that perhaps they'll be examining ahead

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Speaker 10: of the second Test, where they let Argentina back into

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Speaker 10: the game, somewhat got within seven, couldn't really get anything going,

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Speaker 10: just kind of found it hard to get into the

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Speaker 10: game again after halftime and they've freely admitted it in

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Speaker 7: So yeah, momentum shift the way of Argentina.

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Speaker 10: But really either when you win by seventeen and as

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Speaker 10: I say, talk up a bonus point, then I think

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Speaker 10: you're pretty happy overall.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of the way that the Wallabies

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Speaker 3: beat the South Africans which unbelievable.

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Speaker 10: At twenty two ahead at Alice Park, a place that

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Speaker 3: How do my mate James Aconnor playing number ten?

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Speaker 10: He was awesome, Heather, he was awesome. He was he

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Speaker 10: If they beat the Titans, beat the Eels, beat the

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Speaker 10: Well, that's another story entirely, but at least they snapped

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Speaker 3: Did I see that Karen Berger's just announced that she's

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Speaker 10: Are you asking me the other day about which ones

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, thanks piney appreciate it. That's Jason Pine Sports Talkhoaster.

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Speaker 3: We're back at seven. Karen Burger just that if you yeah,

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplic Ellen

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Speaker 3: They'd be good on you, Heather for calling out noisy

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Speaker 3: Europe for years did nothing to end the war. Thank you, Trevor. Actually,

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it is, and I normally do and I have

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Speaker 3: So alternative theory. Alternative theory is that Luxon would have

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Speaker 3: I think alternative theory is he didn't want to be

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Speaker 3: wouldn't you know it, wouldn't you know it? We are

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Speaker 12: Their anger and that emotion that goes with that will

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Speaker 3: No, but they're not the only angry people, are they.

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Speaker 3: I've been thinking about this a lot, and I think

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Speaker 3: there is more where that came from from grants to

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Speaker 2: Next, the day's newspakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 2: Ellen drive with One New Zealand and the power of

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Speaker 4: You don't right sorry.

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Speaker 3: Post Cabinet press conference, Government has just announced a whole

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Speaker 3: Who's going to be doing an amalgamations, legal obligations and risks,

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Speaker 3: standing by out of Australia. Here the people who say,

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Speaker 4: Just ah.

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Speaker 3: Now, I totally totally am with you on this. It's

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Speaker 3: not one am in the morning. It's one am. That's redundant.

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Speaker 3: We know it's in the morning because of the am However, however,

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Speaker 3: what I'm going to say to you is, don't be

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Speaker 3: unkind to Prime Minister Luxton. Because he is saying a

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Speaker 3: He's going to make some mistakes. And John Key made

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Speaker 3: John Key just made whole words up, and he was

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Speaker 3: not half bad at running the country. Twenty four away

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on Newstalks' drive.

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Speaker 3: So the US Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff says, Russian President

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Speaker 3: Putin has agreed to a sort of NATO light security

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Speaker 13: We sort of were able to bypass that and get

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Speaker 3: Now, Zelenski wants to hear more details, obviously, and he

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Speaker 14: The contact line is the best line for talking, and

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Speaker 3: This quantas has been slapped with a fine of almost

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Speaker 3: one hundred million New Zealand dollars. This is for illegally

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Speaker 3: The union is pretty happy with this result.

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Speaker 10: This is the largest breach in industrial relations history and

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Speaker 3: More with Ozzy correspondent Olie Shortly and finally, the NFL

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Speaker 3: season hasn't started yet, but we've already had the first

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Speaker 3: hot Mike f bomb. Minnesota Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell was

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Speaker 4: Ircated about this year's team and excited about this play

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Speaker 4: card boas what are we going on? A fast motion?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 1: No, international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't even that bad, was it. Oliver Peterson six

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Speaker 3: PR Perth Life Presenters with us hallo Olie.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hennah, how good were those Wallabies on the weekends?

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Speaker 1: Mate?

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Speaker 3: You guys have every reason to be stoked about that.

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Speaker 3: How good was James O'Connor.

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Speaker 4: A brilliant I tell you to bs.

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Speaker 3: You were snack talking him on Friday, and I told

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Speaker 4: Well, that's it.

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Speaker 15: I mean, he's a bench player for a New Zealand

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Speaker 15: And look we've knocked off South Africa the time of Johannesburg.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna we're gonna beat the All.

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Speaker 4: You guys are cooked.

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Speaker 3: Well, look I'll tell you what I mean. Listen, Ollie,

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Speaker 3: play like a New Zealander. You've got James O'Connor, who's

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Speaker 3: a key we like if you guys, this is how

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Speaker 3: because we're helping you out mate.

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Speaker 15: That sidestep from Max Jorgenson and Tom Wright just incredible.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately Harry Wilson's done his knee, so a little.

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Speaker 15: Bit of strife there, but just you know what, he's

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Speaker 15: great like all jokes aside, rugby is back in his

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Speaker 15: this heather, We desperately need it for the game, which

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm actually thrilled. It's a better for us

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Speaker 3: as well. Now tell me about this man hunt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a bit scary, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: A Forest Lodge hotel yesterday afternoon here in Sydney when

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Speaker 15: as they tried to flee the shooting. As I said,

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Speaker 15: these groups are known to each other. And what really

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Speaker 15: worries police in the western suburbs of Sydney is this

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Speaker 15: is all crime related. This is all organized gangs, one

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Speaker 15: on top of the other, sort of the Melbourne underworld

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Speaker 15: that we had those particular crime fights going back into

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Speaker 15: sort of twenty years ago or so. It's really spreading

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Speaker 15: around Sydney at the moment and it's getting away from police.

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Speaker 4: So they're on the front foot with this.

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Speaker 15: They're on a manhunt at the moment to try and

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Speaker 15: find these people who fled the scene.

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Speaker 4: There was about sixty people.

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Speaker 15: In the pub at the time and it wasn't until

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Speaker 15: this morning anyways.

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Speaker 4: Still closing down that area of Western Sydney.

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Speaker 15: But it's a real worry about these organized crime gangs

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Speaker 15: in Western Sydney.

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Speaker 3: Right, Did Albinezy say anything about what they actually managed

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Speaker 3: to get out of this phone call overnight?

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Speaker 15: We just said everyone's enthusiastic about achieving peace in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: It was your PM on the CALLI Oli he was

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Speaker 3: asleep because it was one of them the morning.

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Speaker 15: Look, I've we've been up the night before cheering the

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Speaker 15: wall of He's on against the spring box, let's be honest.

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Speaker 4: But obviously the Japanese PM, the Canadian PM was there.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, Albo, he was pretty keen to tell everybody

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Speaker 15: on his social media this morning that I'd been up

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Speaker 15: overnight everyone involved with the call. Obviously that's not the

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Speaker 15: main call, is it. Because as we know, Zelenski has

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Speaker 15: now arrived in Washington. So it's a very interesting day,

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Speaker 15: isn't it, Heather, and I know.

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Speaker 4: That will be glued to what's happening over in the US.

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Speaker 15: But Albo just said that it's been very clear illegal.

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Speaker 15: It's in a moral invasion of a sovereign nation that

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Speaker 15: the Ukrainian people have shown courage and resilience and resisting

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Speaker 15: a much more powerful neighbor. So I think he just

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Speaker 15: took the opportunity to stand on his soapbox.

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Speaker 3: Yep, loves it now, Quantus. I mean, this was a

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Speaker 3: joyce thing, wasn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a joyce thing.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, it's not as you said.

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Speaker 15: It was one hundred million New Zealand dollars today in

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Speaker 15: those fines. But this is also on top of Quantus

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Speaker 15: having to pay effectively one hundred and forty odd million

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Speaker 15: New Zealand dollars already to date in compensation for those

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Speaker 15: illegally fired workers. So when it all adds up, I

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Speaker 15: mean this has cost Quantus probably about two hundred and

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Speaker 15: fifty million.

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Speaker 4: New Zealand dollars.

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Speaker 15: So this is eighteen hundred employees, as you said, who

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Speaker 15: were sacked during COVID the ground handling operations. And part

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Speaker 15: of that as well is when they went to rehire everybody,

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Speaker 15: they were told you just can't take any more industrial

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Speaker 15: action in the future. So they've obviously been handed this

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Speaker 15: penalty today. Cortus could have been fined a little bit

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Speaker 15: more than that. In fact, they could have been fined

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Speaker 15: on wasst one hundred and forty million New Zealand dollars

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Speaker 15: today and they receiving about one hundred million dollar US

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Speaker 15: a New Zealand dollar fine. So I think that they

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Speaker 15: have if you're like almost got enough lightly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, that's a really big summer money. Hey, thanks

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Speaker 3: very much, really appreciating Holly. Oliver Peterson six PR Perth

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Speaker 3: Live presenter. He one am in the morning is nearly

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Speaker 3: as bad as overseas countries. It's called a tautology, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Is that what a tut. Is that a tautology ends

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Speaker 3: you know everything? You're like our Britannia encyclopedia. Do you

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Speaker 3: not know this one? Thank you? He said, he yes,

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Speaker 3: it's a tautology. It's a tautology is when you say

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Speaker 3: the thing that is redundant, you don't need to say

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Speaker 3: the second thing New Zealand you work. Yeah, But I mean, well,

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Speaker 3: how else would you say overseas countries? You'd say nations.

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Speaker 3: I don't know anyway. It's a tautology, but I appreciate it. Heather,

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Speaker 3: Why did you call the Prime Minister Luxton? It was

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Speaker 3: a joke between me and John because John text me

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Speaker 3: at thirty four minutes past four and he said to me, Heather,

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Speaker 3: please address our prime minister with respect. I e. You

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Speaker 3: need to call him prime Minister Luxton. I love it

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Speaker 3: when people try to correct you and then they dick up.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? He's like you, you must call him

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Speaker 3: prime Minister Luxton. So I was like, and I will

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Speaker 3: John prime Minister Luxton. Yes, I will continue to call

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Speaker 3: him luxon or Laxo or CML like he likes. That's

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Speaker 3: what he likes. When he sends you a text, he

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Speaker 3: signs it off CML at the bottom. He likes that

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Speaker 3: quite a lot, so probably into that anyway, It was

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Speaker 3: just my joke between me and John. Sorry that everybody

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Speaker 3: else got wou because did they get wound up? Like

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Speaker 3: you should see the number of texts telling me off.

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Speaker 3: Obviously I know what his name is. I'm not stupid

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Speaker 3: or somethink. What was I referencing just Sin Dardurn, wasn't

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Speaker 3: I Yep? Bricks dumb. Now listen, the government has decided

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Speaker 3: one of the things that they're doing about the consenting

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Speaker 3: is that they're changing where the obligation lies where the

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Speaker 3: risk lies. So basically, instead of the councils the territorial

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Speaker 3: authorities that sign off on it sign off on your

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Speaker 3: consent to work, instead of them having to bear all

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Speaker 3: of the risk for what has been signed off, everybody

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Speaker 3: will be at well, we'll have to bear the risk

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Speaker 3: for their own work. Right, So if you've done the

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Speaker 3: sparky work, you're at risk for that if something goes

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Speaker 3: wrong with you that you take the risk. If you're

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Speaker 3: the bilder blah blah blah carries on like that, Chris Pink,

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Speaker 3: you can see the trouble here if any of these bill,

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Speaker 3: if any of these businesses fall over, then you're in

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Speaker 3: a bit of trouble because who you're going to chase then,

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Speaker 3: So Chris Pink will explain it to us when the

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Speaker 3: he's with us. After five, it's quarter to two.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centric Credit. Check your customers and get teaments certainty.

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Speaker 3: We'll get you some more of the Grant Robertson interview

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Speaker 3: from Q and A shortly thirteen away from five and

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Speaker 3: Barry So for Senior political Correspondence. So I say, Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, Heather. Do you really think the reason that

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Speaker 3: Luxon wasn't on that phone call is because he was sleeping?

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Speaker 17: Well, I've got a piece of audio that where he

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Speaker 17: explained that there's news conference which is just being held

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Speaker 17: at the moment. But you know, I'm sure many listeners

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Speaker 17: watched the great event unfold in Alaska over the weekend

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Speaker 17: as I did, and really I think it was a

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Speaker 17: triumph for Vladimir Putin over Donald Trump. I mean, Putin

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Speaker 17: came away with exactly what he wanted. Donald Trump now

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Speaker 17: saying that when he sits down with Voladimir Zelenski in

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Speaker 17: Washington tomorrow, then he's got to agree with what came

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Speaker 17: out of that particular meeting, and we don't really know

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Speaker 17: exactly what came out of that meeting, so no doubt

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Speaker 17: the well, no wonder why the European leaders have now

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Speaker 17: banded together in a show of force that I can't

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Speaker 17: recall ever having seen, and all getting on eraplanes and

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Speaker 17: heading off to Washington themselves to give Zelensky some sort

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Speaker 17: of at least moral backing that he didn't have when

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Speaker 17: he was humiliated by Trump and JD Vance in the

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Speaker 17: Oval Office. So they'll have their meeting with each other,

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Speaker 17: but the other European medal leaders will join later. But

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Speaker 17: the sounds of things and let's just hope we don't

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Speaker 17: see a repeat in the Oval Office that we saw

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Speaker 17: in February this year. Lutson was invited to attend that

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Speaker 17: zoom meeting of the Coalition of the Willing, as you said, overnight,

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Speaker 17: but says officials took his place because he said, of

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Speaker 17: the meeting's time.

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Speaker 11: This one was at one am in the morning. It

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Speaker 11: goes for two to three hours. And then I'm on

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Speaker 11: a media around this morning and obviously down here for

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Speaker 11: Cabinet this morning as well. So I was well represented

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Speaker 11: by officials. But you know, what is encouraging is the

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Speaker 11: progress that we are seeing the fact that there is

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Speaker 11: conversations happening led with President Trump but also the European leaders.

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Speaker 11: But again, you know, our message is pretty clear. Russia

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Speaker 11: could stop this today if it wished, by having a

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Speaker 11: cease fire immediately on land Sing.

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Speaker 17: And the thing is, I don't see how Luxeon would

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Speaker 17: have added anything to it or got anything more out

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Speaker 17: of it by not being on the Zoom meeting. So

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Speaker 17: I can't blame him.

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Speaker 3: You don't think that he wasn't part of it because

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Speaker 3: he's trying to avoid being anti Trump and this is

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Speaker 3: an anti Trump.

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Speaker 17: Well, indeed, it would have been a Trumper meeting, there's

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Speaker 17: no doubt about that. Basically a meeting to come to

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Speaker 17: an agreement that Trump can't be the bully that was

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Speaker 17: seeing him being.

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Speaker 3: Is that not the real reason?

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Speaker 7: Well, who knows.

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Speaker 17: But like you know, it was a terrible time when

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Speaker 17: he had, as he said, media rounds on the cabinet

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Speaker 17: this morning, to be up all night talking to leaders

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Speaker 17: where he's got officials that can do exactly the same

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Speaker 17: job and report back to him in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what do you make of the moves to build

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Speaker 3: it as speed up the building consents.

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Speaker 17: Well, you know it's been long said that building a

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Speaker 17: standalone house in New Zealand takes fifty percent. It's more

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Speaker 17: expensive here than it is in Australia, so something has

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Speaker 17: to be done. And I know that you're having Chris Penk,

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Speaker 17: the Building Minister, on after five o'clock, but there are

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Speaker 17: shortcuts and I guess liability that rate payers can find

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Speaker 17: themselves facing if a company goes belly up and the

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Speaker 17: components they want to be able to single out of

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Speaker 17: that to make it not so expensive for rate pays,

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Speaker 17: not making them liable. So Pink says, the changes will

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Speaker 17: see less liability for counsels passing on the shorely work

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Speaker 17: to rate pairs to settle.

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Speaker 14: Each party will only be responsible for this of the

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Speaker 14: work that they actually carried out or the decisions that

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Speaker 14: they signed off. This will remove the fear that slows

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Speaker 14: down the consenting process currently, reduce costs and reduce the

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Speaker 14: risk to ratpayers having to underwrite someone else's mistakes. Right now,

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Speaker 14: there are sixty six different council building concent authorities across

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Speaker 14: the country, each with their own interpretation of.

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Speaker 8: The building Code.

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Speaker 14: This has resulted in a ridiculous situation where builders can

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Speaker 14: have their paperwork rejected by one council whereas it would

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Speaker 14: be accepted by the one up the road. I expect

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Speaker 14: that they will seize the opportunity to pull resources such

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Speaker 14: as inspectors and IT systems and pass the savings on

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Speaker 14: to ratpayers.

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Speaker 17: Well, let's hope that happens. But you know, you'd have

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Speaker 17: to say that indemnity insurance should surely be encouraged for

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Speaker 17: each component of the building construction work, because otherwise you're

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Speaker 17: going to have a company going bully up. What are

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Speaker 17: you going to do about?

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Speaker 3: And then who have you got to chase?

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Speaker 9: Larry?

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Speaker 3: Thank you appreciate a very sober senior political correspondent eight

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Speaker 3: away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the news bakers, the mic skiing.

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Speaker 3: Breakfast, the Prime minister's with this hand on heart?

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Speaker 6: Would you appear publicly at the COVID inquiry?

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Speaker 4: If coll Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I think these Zealanders have gone through a

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Speaker 11: huge amount of suffering. Those former ministers should show up.

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Speaker 11: But I'll be honest with you, I get what they're

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Speaker 11: trying to do. You know, if you're Hopkins you're trying

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Speaker 11: to politically guess like the country and say you had

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Speaker 11: nothing to do.

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Speaker 9: With that record.

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Speaker 11: Well you did, so I think they should show But

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Speaker 11: Grant Robinson says it's a show trial, is it?

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Speaker 4: I disagree.

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Speaker 11: I think it's something called accountability, and I think showing

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Speaker 11: up and actually giving the justification for way you took

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Speaker 11: the action she did at ultimately I think made the

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Speaker 11: cost of living worse. You know, Hopkins a Verola making

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Speaker 11: a case they want to lead the country again. I

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Speaker 11: think I'll be a disaster, but I think they should

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Speaker 11: at least show up.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Howskiing Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: Avida News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Here the indemnity insurance for each of the trades would

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Speaker 3: be a massive cost that would have to be passed

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Speaker 3: on just for a waterproofer or tyler. It's nearly thirty

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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars. Well interesting because that I think is

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Speaker 3: the part that the government has not done any work on.

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Speaker 3: So they've said you'll take the risk related to your work,

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Speaker 3: but then it hasn't and this was key element if

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Speaker 3: it hasn't actually been worked on. But anyway, Chris pink As,

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Speaker 3: I say the Minister with us shortly, so we'll ask

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Speaker 3: him about that. So Grant Robinson, So, as part of

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Speaker 3: his book tour that he's doing at the moment, he

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Speaker 3: fronted up on Q and A. As I told you earlier.

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Speaker 3: The other thing that he said is that he basically

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Speaker 3: doesn't think he did anything wrong spending sixty six billion

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Speaker 3: dollars during COVID, even though it was the biggest amount

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Speaker 3: that was ever spent.

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Speaker 12: There were no costless decisions in COVID. We either paid

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Speaker 12: in money or we paid in lives. I get the

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Speaker 12: fact that in hindsight you say, gosh, that's a lot

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Speaker 12: of money. It was a lot of money, but it

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Speaker 12: was a necessary response to keep new ylinders healthy and

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Speaker 12: to keep these ylinders in work.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, obviously this is where I get so frustrated

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Speaker 3: about this. Obviously he had to spend money, and obviously

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Speaker 3: no one's going to quibble with the fact that some

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Speaker 3: money had to be spent. It's the quantum, it's how

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Speaker 3: much money was spent. It's on what the money was spent.

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Speaker 3: Like for example, absolutely, we're all fine with the wage subsidy, aren't.

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Speaker 3: We all think that was a good idea up to

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Speaker 3: a point. But then after that there was just a

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Speaker 3: free wasn't it. There was no rules about paying it

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Speaker 3: back if you didn't need it. They didn't even bother

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Speaker 3: to do the basic work. And I'm so and I

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Speaker 3: love Jack, but I'm so frustrated that he didn't go

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Speaker 3: harder on Grant on this. He just kind of left

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Speaker 3: the Ayts thaying move on.

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Speaker 19: Now.

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Speaker 3: This is I think what's going on here is that

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Speaker 3: Grant is picking and choosing who, quite rightly, this is prerogative,

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Speaker 3: who he wants to talk to, and he is picking

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Speaker 3: people who maybe he thinks are ideologically aligned with him

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Speaker 3: on this or sympathetic to the moves that he made

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Speaker 3: and the decisions that he took. So I think he

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Speaker 3: is designing this round of tours, this this this round

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Speaker 3: of media interviews so he doesn't get a hard hard time.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how it plays. That he's got a few

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Speaker 3: more days to go. Also, by the way, here's the

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Speaker 3: answer on whether Jacinda will move back here.

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Speaker 16: Do you think if she wanted to, Jasinda Ardun could

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Speaker 16: come back and live a peaceful, undisturbed life in New

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Speaker 16: Zealand Right now.

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Speaker 12: I'm not sure there's any prime minister who could do that.

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Speaker 3: I think John Key's pretty comfortable.

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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But long this it's fine, I see.

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Speaker 16: I mean like this is it's interesting because this hasn't

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Speaker 16: hasn't really sort of feel like it's a a kind

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Speaker 16: of an elephant in the room.

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Speaker 3: I think we all know the answer to that. It

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be a fun time, would it. Chris Pink is

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Speaker 3: with us after five o'clock and also apparently in Northland

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Speaker 3: they're not reporting short shoplifting to the coppers. Will find

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Speaker 3: out why. Shortly new stalks.

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Speaker 1: The B the only drive show you can try the

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Speaker 1: truck to ask the questions, get the answers, find and

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Speaker 1: give the analysis. Here the duplicyl and Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news talks

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Speaker 1: the B Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Big changes are coming to help speed up building consents.

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Speaker 3: The government says councils are extremely risk averse because they

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Speaker 3: carry the ultimate risks. So to get things cranking, they've

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Speaker 3: decided to make each party of the building process responsible

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Speaker 3: for their fair share of work. Chris Pink is the

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Speaker 3: Building and Construction Minister down with us now, hey Chris here.

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Speaker 3: So basically the builder is responsible if the building stuff goes,

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Speaker 3: it's up the sparky's responsible if the sparky stuff does

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Speaker 3: the same thing.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, And I'm just adding there.

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Speaker 14: If the council signs off something that they shouldn't have,

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Speaker 14: then they'll be responsible for us share, but not the

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Speaker 14: whole thing, which is what currently happens.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: What happens, for example, if the roofer does a bad

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Speaker 3: job on the roofing, and they are obviously responsible for that,

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Speaker 3: but then they'll let the water in, and then the

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Speaker 3: flooring gets done and the jib work gets done, and

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Speaker 3: that's the builder's work. Who's responsible for all of that?

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Speaker 14: Then well, if there's a fault that's taken place in

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Speaker 14: one part of the system of fact ruins the work

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Speaker 14: of someone else, but that second person wasn't responsible because

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Speaker 14: they should have had the right to expect that the

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Speaker 14: roof wouldn't leak in the first place. Then then it

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Speaker 14: wouldn't be for the person who's made no real world

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Speaker 14: error to be responsible.

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Speaker 8: It would be on who's actually made the.

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Speaker 3: Cock up and what happens if the building company or

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Speaker 3: any of these companies falls over, which happens all the time, Chris,

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Speaker 3: who do you chase?

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Speaker 8: Then?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, that's why we have seen today that we're

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Speaker 14: going to have consumer protection measures in place, and there

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Speaker 14: are some already that exists out there. S it's a

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Speaker 14: matter of thinking about what ones we need to be

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Speaker 14: available or maybe even mandatory. So you've got professional and

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Speaker 14: dimnity insurance for engineers and architects. You've got the master

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Speaker 14: builders and certified builders have their own guarantee schemes, and

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Speaker 14: then you've got group home builders who've got their own

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Speaker 14: comfort that they provide to their franchise customers. So there

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Speaker 14: all kinds of possibilities and we'll get that detail right

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Speaker 14: by talking with the sector.

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Speaker 3: Now Okay, hold on, why haven't you done that, because

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Speaker 3: in April last year you told us you were working

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Speaker 3: on in dimnity insurance and it's now, what like nearly

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Speaker 3: eighteen months later, you've done nothing.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Now, we've spent the time talking with the sector and

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Speaker 14: including councils but also the building professionals about whether we

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Speaker 14: should go to proportionate liability, which is the change we've

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Speaker 14: announced today, along with some other stuff by the way,

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Speaker 14: But now we'll be able to get that legislated and

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Speaker 14: in the meantime spend detail spend time getting that detail

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Speaker 14: right about what those measures should be.

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Speaker 8: I've got a reasonable idea.

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Speaker 14: Because Cabinet hasn't yet signed those off I can't tell

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Speaker 14: you that that's what will definitely be in place.

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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, Chris, thanks very much, Chris pink Building

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Speaker 3: and Construction Minister Tiler do for see Allen. We are

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Speaker 3: only hours away from the big Ukraine meeting at the

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Speaker 3: White House. Selenski is set to meet with Trump and

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Speaker 3: he's bringing with a high squad of European leaders. This

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Speaker 3: has obviously discussed Putin's demand. Vessel Mroshnichenko is the Ukrainian

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Speaker 3: ambassador to Australia and New Zealand and with US now

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Speaker 3: Vessel welcome back.

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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Are you guys prepared to give up? Don bess.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think it's the wrong question, because it's not

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Speaker 9: about the giving up. It's about the people who live

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Speaker 9: there and about their future. And you have to understand

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Speaker 9: that Russians have invaded Ukraine eleven years ago and they

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Speaker 9: came back with much bigger war because they got emboldened

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Speaker 9: by the very weak reaction and they wanted to finish

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Speaker 9: the job. They wanted to take over a Kiev in

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Speaker 9: three days and occupy Ukraine in three weeks. They failed miserably.

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Speaker 9: We defeated Russians as are approaching Kiev and three and

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Speaker 9: a half years later overwhelm million casualties later, mostly on

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Speaker 9: the Russian side, but many Ukrainians have suffered a lot. Well,

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Speaker 9: they only control thirty percent of the territory. So what

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Speaker 9: can we achieve by rewarding an aggrasser. But rewarding a grasser,

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Speaker 9: we're going to get more aggression. Of course, we want

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Speaker 9: peace more than anybody else, but we didn't start the war.

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Speaker 9: Russian studied the war. So we have to work together

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Speaker 9: with America, with Europe, with New Zealand and Australia in

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Speaker 9: forcing Russia to stop this war. And Russia understanding is

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Speaker 9: only hard power, and we have to demonstrate the power,

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Speaker 9: which is immunity because unity is are with strengths.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how do you think, I mean, how much of

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Speaker 3: a make or break is it not belonging to NATO,

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Speaker 3: because that's off the table according to Trump.

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Speaker 9: Well, what we are talking about is about security guarantees

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Speaker 9: because Russian has invaded US twice already in the past

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Speaker 9: eleventy years. And you know, majority of Russians support this war,

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Speaker 9: they won't put them to finish the job. But he

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Speaker 9: cannot deliver, so he cannot subjugate entire Ukraine. Now, he

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Speaker 9: will probably get inspired to do that later. For us

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Speaker 9: to prevent that from happening, we need to have strong

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Speaker 9: military and we need to have strong economy. But on

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Speaker 9: the military side, we need to create conventional strategic have

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Speaker 9: conventional strategic weapons and other equipment and strong army to

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Speaker 9: deter Russia from the invasion in the future. Of course,

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Speaker 9: we'll need support of the Europeans, perhaps, you know, boots

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Speaker 9: on the ground from France in Britain. That would be

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Speaker 9: kind of like stabilization forces which will deter Russians from

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Speaker 9: an invasion in the future. And Americans must be committed

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Speaker 9: as well.

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Speaker 3: Does this not frustrate you? It frustrates me endlessly that

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Speaker 3: the Europeans have such strong opinions about what Ukraine needs

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Speaker 3: to do on Europe's behalf, and they're prepared to drop

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Speaker 3: everything and fly over to the White House to make

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Speaker 3: sure that Selinsky does the right thing, But when it

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Speaker 3: comes to actually putting boots on the ground, they failed

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Speaker 3: to do it.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's not really true to be frank because European

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Speaker 9: Union is the biggest donor of Ukraine. They have provided

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Speaker 9: over one hundred and billion euros in assistance. They continue

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Speaker 9: supporting Ukraine very heavily. We are on the pass towards

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Speaker 9: you in integration. But what is at stake for New Zealand?

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Speaker 9: Because look, Russia is a permanent member of the UN

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Speaker 9: Security Council. So Russia has nuclear weapons and they decided

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Speaker 9: to destroy democracy next door because the fact that Ukraine

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Speaker 9: is on the map as an independent country is the

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Speaker 9: root cause of war. This is what Puttin is saying,

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Speaker 9: because the only threat that Ukraine has is that we

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Speaker 9: are democracy and he's a dictatorship and that was a

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Speaker 9: threat to his regime, which I agree with, right, But

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Speaker 9: the fact that he could do it and he could

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Speaker 9: invade the country open up a Pandora box because other

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Speaker 9: dictators are watching that and they're going to use it

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Speaker 9: as a president. They're going to use it as a blueprint.

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Speaker 9: And they also have nuclear weapons and they have large armies,

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Speaker 9: and they will be changing borders because if Russians can

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Speaker 9: get away with even technically controlling twenty percent of Ukrainian territory,

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Speaker 9: which we may end up with you know, we will

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Speaker 9: never see the territory, but they may end up controlling

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Speaker 9: that land, just as Soviet Union controlled Lithuinia, a Lot

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Speaker 9: and Estonia during the Soviet Union. Right. But it's very

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Speaker 9: dangerous for New Zealand because for a small democracy, you know,

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Speaker 9: you don't have any protection except for rules based international system,

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Speaker 9: which is this mental.

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Speaker 3: I understand the argument, yep, I understand the argument. Vassal.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate your time as it always do. Thanks so much,

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Speaker 3: Vassal Maroshnichenko, who is the ambassador of Ukraine to Ozzie

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Speaker 3: and New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duper see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So funny thing has happened. So somebody who I know

881
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Speaker 3: has sent me a text this afternoon and was like, hey,

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Speaker 3: there's a big meeting happening this evening in the Beehive.

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Speaker 3: I was accidentally invited to it, but now I know

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Speaker 3: about it. And the meeting is a meeting about gas

885
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Speaker 3: and it's going to I think it's up at Luxen's

886
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Speaker 3: office and attending will be Prime Minister Christopher Luxen, Nikola Willis,

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Speaker 3: the Finance Minister, Simon Watts the Energy Minister, and Chris Bishop,

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Speaker 3: the Minister of just basically every od idea that comes

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Speaker 3: out of that place. By the looks of things. Anyway,

890
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Speaker 3: why this is interesting is this is going to be

891
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Speaker 3: happening between six and whatever like around about then Nikola

892
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Speaker 3: Willis is going to have a chat to us, and

893
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Speaker 3: then she's off to the meeting, so we're talking to

894
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Speaker 3: her at six. I'm going to ask her about it.

895
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Speaker 3: But this comes something's up at the I suspect that

896
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Speaker 3: these guys have realized that there is well I mean,

897
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Speaker 3: I don't know why they've just realized it now, but

898
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Speaker 3: there is a massive problem, massive gas problem going on.

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Speaker 3: If you've got businesses mothballing increasingly like we did last

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Speaker 3: week and shutting down and all kinds of stuff going

901
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Speaker 3: on and people aren't able to afford it, something has

902
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Speaker 3: to be done. This is the second winter rehab we've

903
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Speaker 3: had under this government. Nothing's been done just yet, and

904
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Speaker 3: we're waiting for answers. So they've got a report on

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Speaker 3: their desks, the Frontier Report, which has a bunch of

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Speaker 3: recommendations they apparently hate. But perhaps they're having this meeting

907
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Speaker 3: to have all chat about that. We will ask them

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Speaker 3: about the secret meeting after six quarter past five, have

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Speaker 3: a look around You're going to see a lot of

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Speaker 3: byds on the road, especially now that I've pointed this

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Speaker 3: out to you. But the reason actually is because so

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Speaker 3: many businesses are now buying the byds and leasing them.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just any businesses. I'm talking about leading

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Speaker 3: businesses brands that you know. BYD vehicles are featured in

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Speaker 3: the fleets of Meridian Energy, Saint John, Genesis Energy, a

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Speaker 3: B Fonterra, just to name a few. And also the government,

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Speaker 3: the government endorsed BYD New Zealand doesn't approved all of

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Speaker 3: government vehicles supplier and the top provider of electric vehicles

919
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Speaker 3: to government departments. And also also on top of all

920
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Speaker 3: of that, the Uber guys love them. They are now

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Speaker 3: amongst uber drivers preferred vehicles and they're also the preferred

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Speaker 3: choices for the Mevo car sharing guys. And you can

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Speaker 3: have one too. Comes with comprehensive warranty and support. Includes

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Speaker 3: a six year or one hundred and fifty thousand K

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Speaker 3: general warranty, eight years one hundred and sixty K coverage

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Speaker 3: for the battery, power and drive unit. Plus you also

927
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Speaker 3: get the roadside assistance. What more do you want? Check

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Speaker 3: them out byd Auto dot Co, dot nz Heaver do

929
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Speaker 3: for Cellen whether nobody in the West is prepared to

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Speaker 3: put soldiers into Ukraine. They spout that Ukraine is important,

931
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Speaker 3: but their populations won't support deployment of their armies in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Go figure. I mean, that's the reality of the situation,

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Speaker 3: isn't it? Nineteen past five? Now it turns out anecdotally,

934
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Speaker 3: at least Northern retailers are not reporting shoplifting to cops.

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Speaker 3: The revelation cropped up over a series of meetings with

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Speaker 3: small business owners around the region the past week. Leah

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Speaker 3: mcerro is North Chamber's chief executive and with us Alien

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Speaker 3: cra how are you, I'm well, thank you. Was it

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Speaker 3: a lot of these retailers saying it or just a few?

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Speaker 19: There already seemed to be a very common theme that

941
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Speaker 19: people felt there was no point for them to report

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Speaker 19: the crime because they didn't get any response back. So

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Speaker 19: that seemed to be quite common amongst all of the

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Speaker 19: Northland areas that we visited.

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Speaker 3: And so why are they doing it? Is it because

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Speaker 3: they don't believe the police are interested and police just

947
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Speaker 3: don't turn up.

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Speaker 19: Well, I think it's not so much the fact that

949
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Speaker 19: the police are not interested I think they definitely are.

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Speaker 19: It all comes down to resourcing, of course, and whether

951
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Speaker 19: the police can in a timely manner respond to the

952
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Speaker 19: retailer's request or their report that there has been shoplifting.

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Speaker 19: But most often I think the retailers said, look, you know,

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Speaker 19: if it was a small crime of somebody who was

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Speaker 19: just picking something up and it wasn't a high value,

956
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Speaker 19: they felt that the police wouldn't respond and therefore wouldn't

957
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Speaker 19: be interested. And that's actually incorrect because while they may

958
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Speaker 19: not be able to respond quickly or respond in person,

959
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Speaker 19: the fact is that the data goes into the system,

960
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Speaker 19: and when the data is in the system, we can

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Speaker 19: see the patterns of behavior. So I think that's probably

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Speaker 19: what's driving the I guess the reticence.

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Speaker 3: But so what you're saying, what you're saying is leet, don't.

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Speaker 3: You're not saying report it because the police are going

965
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Speaker 3: to come and solve your shoplifting. You're saying report it

966
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Speaker 3: because once they get a whole bunch of intelligence, they

967
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Speaker 3: may solve other shoplifting. Absolutely in the.

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Speaker 19: Mix, that's right, and it's the patterns of behavior that

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Speaker 19: they need to look at. And while each incidence in

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Speaker 19: its own right feels small. Collectively we get it, starting

971
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Speaker 19: to get a pattern and you know, as the police

972
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Speaker 19: are explaining, sometimes these are fairly sophisticated people stealing and

973
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Speaker 19: it's not just the one off. But without that information

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Speaker 19: they can't actually see that.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Hayley, and thanks so much. Look at yourself.

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Speaker 3: Leah macro, Chief Executive of North Chamber. Five twenty one.

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Speaker 1: The name you trusted to get the answers you need,

978
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Speaker 1: it's Heather duple Clan drive with one New Zealand coverage

979
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Speaker 1: Like no one else US talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be yeah that we don't report minor shoplifting in

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Speaker 3: Hamilton CBDI. The first of all, we don't feel like

982
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Speaker 3: there is any points. Secondly, the way we deal with

983
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Speaker 3: shoplifters is not something we really want the police involved in. Brackets.

984
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Speaker 3: Wink wink, Well you do what you got to do.

985
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Speaker 3: I suppose five twenty four. Now, for some weird reason,

986
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Speaker 3: I thought a lot this past weekend about what happened

987
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Speaker 3: on Friday with Health New Zealand trying to ban the

988
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Speaker 3: wantons and the marshmallows and the meat fat from their

989
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: hospital cafeterias. I had two takeaways after thinking about it

990
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Speaker 3: a lot. The first is that Simeon Brown played that beautifully.

991
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: Within twenty minutes of hearing that interview with us on Drive,

992
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Speaker 3: he'd put out a statement ordering Health New Zealand to

993
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: review their policy and inject some common sense. Now that

994
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: is smart politics. That's why he's called Golden Bulls. Second,

995
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Speaker 3: I couldn't quite put my finger on Friday on why

996
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: it was that this wound me up so much. But

997
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 3: actually the reason I realized in the end is because

998
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: it removes choice from people who should have choice. For example,

999
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but if you

1000
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Speaker 3: stay in Starship with your child, they feed your child,

1001
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Speaker 3: but they don't feed you. So I was in there

1002
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Speaker 3: for a couple of nights when baby girl was about

1003
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Speaker 3: six weeks old earlier this year. She had a bit

1004
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Speaker 3: of an infection, but they weren't feeding me. So they

1005
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: gave me a couple of vouchers and they said, dog

1006
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Speaker 3: head on down to the cafeteria and redeem them, and

1007
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: I did. The wantons were rubbish, so I don't mind

1008
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: them being banned, frankly, but the second meal I had,

1009
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: which I think was a roast, was actually excellent. Now,

1010
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: the important thing here is I was breastfeeding, so I

1011
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: needed a lot of calories, and I needed a lot

1012
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: of fat, and so the fat on the roast is

1013
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: really important for me to get that in there so

1014
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: I can make some good milk for the baby. Right,

1015
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 3: So them ordering the staff to then go around cutting

1016
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 3: the fat off is actually not good for breastfeeding months.

1017
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: Second thing, if you have a kid who's in there

1018
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 3: sick for a while, and let's just say the kid

1019
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: loves marshmallows and they're hot chocolate. Now the band and

1020
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: the marshmallows from the hot chocolate, that might have been

1021
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: that kid's one little treat to brighten their day. So

1022
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: that actually, frankly shouldn't And that is what annoyed me

1023
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: so much on Friday. This is the same kind of

1024
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 3: we know best attitude that you get from the breast's

1025
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Speaker 3: best nazis who try to prevent new mums from getting

1026
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: formula when they're in hospital. Everyone's life is actually different.

1027
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 3: Everyone needs different things to eat at different times. Sometimes

1028
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: we need certain things for the nutrition. Sometimes we just

1029
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 3: need a treat, Sometimes we need formula, sometimes we need

1030
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: breast milk. It should be up for us to decide

1031
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: what we're doing, and hopefully if Health New Zealand takes

1032
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: a hint from the minister, it will be up to

1033
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Speaker 3: us to decide.

1034
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Speaker 8: Ever do for see, Ellen's get a load of this, Okay.

1035
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Speaker 3: So I was taking to my mum about the gas

1036
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Speaker 3: at the weekend and she said to me, she's got

1037
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Speaker 3: one of those gas bottles, you know, instead of like mans,

1038
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Speaker 3: She's got a gas bottle. She said, that's it. The

1039
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Speaker 3: gas is too expensive. She's switching to electricity, so she's

1040
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: going to pay the bill. She's going to pay the conversion.

1041
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: The German was just telling me before she knows some

1042
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: people two people in the house, their gas their power

1043
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: bill for power because they've got a gas fireplace eight

1044
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety dollars for the month. Oh my gosh,

1045
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: that's an income. Eight hundred and ninety dollars. We've got

1046
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Speaker 3: a gas fireplace. I don't want to tell you. I mean,

1047
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Speaker 3: we've got more than two people, like we've at least

1048
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Speaker 3: got five people in the house. But it's still extraordinary,

1049
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: isn't it. Anyway, if that rips your ninety it's reporting

1050
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Speaker 3: season at the moment. We're into it on the markets,

1051
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Speaker 3: and yeah, you're gonna You're gonna love what I tell

1052
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Speaker 3: you about contact success in terms of money off the

1053
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Speaker 3: back of you. So stand by Headline's.

1054
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Speaker 1: Next Yeah, on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app,

1055
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: and in your car on your drive home, it's Heather

1056
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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand and of power

1057
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Speaker 1: of satellite mobile news talk the.

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Speaker 5: Bed standing by proschursing Josipherghanni. And then after six, as

1059
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Speaker 5: per usual on a Monday, Nikola Willis the Finance Minister.

1060
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Speaker 5: Heather the Prime Minister's meeting will be about the credit rating,

1061
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Speaker 5: not the gas. The government's been told you can't keep

1062
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Speaker 5: borrowing money to put people on unemployment, thanks Pedro. Actually,

1063
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Speaker 5: Fitch Ratings has confirmed or affirmed New Zealand's long term

1064
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 5: foreign currency issue a default rating at AA plus with

1065
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Speaker 5: a stable outlook. New Zealand's ratings are underpinned by its

1066
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Speaker 5: advanced and wealthy economy, high governance standards, and robust policy framework.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, there will be a sigh of

1068
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Speaker 5: relief being breathed in the behalf. More than likely this

1069
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Speaker 5: was going to be what happened, but there was a

1070
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Speaker 5: not trivial chance that it might have been downgraded. Right now,

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Speaker 5: twenty four away from six.

1072
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Speaker 4: Heather doup is the al as we know.

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Speaker 3: Tourism numbers are not flashed. That's New Zealand revealed last

1074
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Speaker 3: week the tourism numbers have dropped for the second month

1075
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Speaker 3: in a row. One suggestion to fix this is that

1076
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Speaker 3: we raise the upper age limit of our working holiday visa.

1077
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Speaker 3: It's currently at thirty. Why not take it all the

1078
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Speaker 3: way to fifty. The idea has come from Tim Alp,

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Speaker 3: the managing director of Lilo Hate.

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Speaker 21: Tim, Hey, how are you going?

1081
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Speaker 3: I'm well, thanks? Do you reckon people up to the

1082
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Speaker 3: age of fifty want to come here and work?

1083
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Speaker 8: Yeah?

1084
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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 18: I think.

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Speaker 21: I think definitely there's definitely interest from people who are

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Speaker 21: a little more flexible in terms of this stage of

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Speaker 21: life and who are really keen to do you know,

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Speaker 21: post COVID look at sort of working holiday.

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Speaker 3: Adventures, like what kind of areas would they work in?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 21: I think in all areas around hospitality, tourism, they want

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Speaker 21: to come down here, see the see that they're a bit

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Speaker 21: more disposable time come down here and travel and also

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Speaker 21: work and you know, it might be cafes, might be

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Speaker 21: fruit picking, it might be on ski fields are these?

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Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people between the ages of

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Speaker 3: thirty and fifty have families because we leave it till

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Speaker 3: so late nowadays to have babies. So are you thinking

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Speaker 3: about people who are childless?

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Speaker 21: Oh, both childless and people who want to potentially come

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Speaker 21: down with families and travel. But I think what we're

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Speaker 21: last seeing is people are going, Actually, I can, I

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Speaker 21: can work remotely nowadays, so we've obviously seen the digital

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Speaker 21: visa change and no man visa change, which has been

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Speaker 21: quite attractive. But just people who are a bit more

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Speaker 21: flexible who may want to come down. I just think

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Speaker 21: by limiting it to thirty or to thirty five, we

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Speaker 21: aren't that competitive with the likes of Australia and Canada.

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Speaker 21: Who are you know, who are killing it?

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Speaker 3: And also tim, I mean, aren't people in the a

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Speaker 3: you know, especially when you sort of start having that

1113
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: forty aren't you sort of the height of your career

1114
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: or getting into it so you probably want to stick

1115
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: it out wherever you are.

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Speaker 21: Oh, I think some people are definitely in that, But

1117
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 21: I think some people are also having a bit of

1118
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 21: life changing experiences as well and going Actually, there's sometimes

1119
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 21: more to life than focusing one hundred percent on my career.

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Speaker 21: I want to take a bit of a break. I

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00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 21: want to take six months a year off. I just

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Speaker 21: think it gives flexibility and we are seeing an increase

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Speaker 21: in that, so why not cater towards it?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Total, Well, there's no downside is there if we do this?

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Speaker 21: No, there's no downside at all. If anything, it makes

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Speaker 21: us a lot more competitive globally in people who are

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Speaker 21: wanting to take up this opportunity.

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Speaker 3: What's going on with tourism? How bad is it?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

1131
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 21: It's tough here, you know, it's definitely tough. I mean, look,

1132
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Speaker 21: there are some green shoots in the horizon, but you know,

1133
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Speaker 21: when you lock yourself down for a couple of years,

1134
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Speaker 21: it's hard to bounce back up again, right, and so,

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Speaker 21: and we are competing in a very you know, huge

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Speaker 21: competitive market globally. As that's the reason why I'm sort

1137
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Speaker 21: of saying, well, why put the barriers up? Why don't

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00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 21: we just introduce new things to make it more and

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Speaker 21: more attractive.

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Speaker 3: Your minister is the minister and irresponsible for this would

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Speaker 3: be Erica Stanford, wouldn't.

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Speaker 8: It no, Louise Hupton allu.

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Speaker 3: And have you chatted to her about it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

1145
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Speaker 21: No, I haven't chaded her about the specific one, but

1146
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Speaker 21: she's definitely taking a pretty proactive approach. I think the

1147
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 21: government's finally realize that tourism is a huge contribute. Should

1148
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Speaker 21: be the number one expert inner it's not right now,

1149
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 21: and there's a really good opportunity for us to sort

1150
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Speaker 21: of pull ourselves out of sort of some of the

1151
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 21: state that we're in right now if we really embrace tourism.

1152
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 21: But we've got to get out there and market New

1153
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Speaker 21: Zealand as a place to come to. Airlines got to

1154
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Speaker 21: come on board as well and make it a lot

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Speaker 21: more attractive to get here. And but once hear we

1156
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Speaker 21: know they love it, we just got to open ourselves

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Speaker 21: up and be a lot more low cattering good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Tim, thanks so much, appreciate it. That's Tim Alp Lilo

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Speaker 3: Managing Director. It's twenty one away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes Uniquely

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Speaker 1: for You with us.

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Speaker 3: This evening, we have Tris Shurson, Sharson, Willis pr and

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Speaker 3: Joseph Begunny, CEO of Child Found. Hello you guys, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 3: you into this idea. Trish no, you don't want to

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Speaker 3: go on a working holiday in your late forties.

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Speaker 22: Well, I mean I think it's one of those great

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Speaker 22: headline grabbing ideas, but I'm not convinced at the age

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Speaker 22: bracket that it's been pitched to that those people are

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Speaker 22: going to want to do the kind of jobs that

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Speaker 22: would be on offer.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 3: I I personally tend to agree, being roughly in that

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Speaker 3: age bracket.

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Speaker 19: Josie.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, by that age, I don't want to go on

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Speaker 23: a working holiday. I just want to go on a holiday.

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Speaker 23: And look, I just think if you're going to open

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Speaker 23: it up to age fifty maximum, well you might as

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Speaker 23: well just have no age restrictions. I mean you might

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Speaker 23: as well say anyone can come on a work.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because do you know what, I'll tell you what, Josie,

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Speaker 3: what the German thought would be a great idea is

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Speaker 3: if you have like a Nana O Pah come and

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Speaker 3: stage your house from Germany.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, well maybe it is, but I still think it.

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Speaker 23: This is the big productivity growth plan from the government

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Speaker 23: and we're focusing on the sort of low value tourism

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Speaker 23: and I love a juicy van. This is nothing against juicy,

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Speaker 23: but you know, basically do we really want more and

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Speaker 23: more and more backpackers coming doing working holidays and frankly

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Speaker 23: lowering the average wage by taking such low wage jobs

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Speaker 23: and places like Queenstown that actually lowers the average wage

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Speaker 23: across the whole of New Zealand. So it's fine. I

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Speaker 23: love it when French people come and do a working

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Speaker 23: and they quite good waiters and waitresses and so on,

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Speaker 23: and they flock to Queenstown because they want to go there.

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Speaker 23: But this is not a great growth strategy for New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: And also just bearing in mind the number of older

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Speaker 22: New Zealanders, especially right now, who are looking for work,

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Speaker 22: so there could be an issue there.

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Speaker 3: And just a.

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Speaker 22: Personal note from me, I see the van holiday makers

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Speaker 22: and in my head, that's my worst nightmare. Making a

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Speaker 22: cup of tea on top of your duvet with that's

1205
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Speaker 22: also your pantry.

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Speaker 3: He's got your little poop pot underneath.

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Speaker 18: This in a.

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Speaker 3: For the people for the young people, well you do

1209
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: you have a fun time when you're young and you

1210
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Speaker 3: can do crazy things like that. Jose, how do you

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Speaker 3: think the big meeting in the White House is going

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Speaker 3: to go overnight?

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Speaker 23: Well, you're right that the EU does need to step

1214
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 23: up and I think they've realized that if they're not

1215
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 23: at the table, they're on the menu. So they've really

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Speaker 23: decided they're going to come and be Zelenski's bodyguards this time,

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Speaker 23: and great to see that. I'm sure Zelenski and all

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Speaker 23: of the seven European bodyguards he's bringing that, they've all said,

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Speaker 23: we will we do not want a pre meeting press

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Speaker 23: conference in the Oval office, thank you very much. We'll

1221
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 23: go straight into the meeting, because that's of course what

1222
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 23: happened last time to Zelensky. Yeah, I mean the EU

1223
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Speaker 23: needs to do the heavy lifting. But let's not let

1224
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Speaker 23: Trump off the hook here. I mean he has America

1225
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 23: has walked away from forty years of protecting democracy, liberal

1226
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 23: values and the rules, and they're walking away from it.

1227
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 19: And leaving it up to the rest of us.

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Speaker 9: So it's a big.

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Speaker 23: Hinge moment in history for us, right, So the EU

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Speaker 23: does have to step up. I understand what you're saying

1231
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 23: hither when you're calling on the EU to do more,

1232
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 23: and they should have done more to day, but I

1233
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 23: think they are seriously looking at it and going, well,

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00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 23: if America is not going to be there, we have

1235
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 23: to step up. But they want to make sure that

1236
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Speaker 23: America is on board with whatever plan comes next. And

1237
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 23: that's the big thing. So what's going to happen next? Well,

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Speaker 23: the best case scenario, and it doesn't sound that great,

1239
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 23: is that Russia keeps the territory that it's already occupied,

1240
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 23: which is awful, but it doesn't get officially recognized. Ukraine

1241
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 23: gets its security guarantees, the sort of Article five type

1242
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 23: guarantee where the US also agrees to come to its

1243
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 23: aid if it's invaded again, and they get to join

1244
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 23: the EU and there is no to them rearming or

1245
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 23: defending themselves. That's the best case scenario. Worst case scenario

1246
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 23: is that Russia and Putin just divide up Ukraine and

1247
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 23: then Europe really is on the menu. Then they're at

1248
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 23: the mercy of whoever's going to invade Europe beyond Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Tris, what do you think the chances are that this

1250
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: is successful?

1251
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 22: Well, I think it's fairly low. There's two key issues here.

1252
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 22: One is that in Trump's world, this is just another

1253
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 22: TV chapter, TV episode in his sort of apprentice style,

1254
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 22: and I'm I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure that understands the importance, like the historical importance of

1256
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: what he's doing.

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00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 22: Well, I don't know whether he doesn't understand. He certainly

1258
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 22: doesn't really care deeply about it. So he's put aside

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00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 22: all of the norms of normal diplomacy. And if I

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Speaker 22: were the EU people going into this, to Josie's point,

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Speaker 22: I would stage manage this to within an inch of

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Speaker 22: its life. So you go straight into the room, you

1263
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Speaker 22: get down to tintax. One of the other great pieces

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00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 22: advice I heard over the weekend was actually to Zolynsky.

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Speaker 22: So one of the things that Putin does, he is

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Speaker 22: a fantastic speaker of English, he's fluent in German. But

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Speaker 22: what he does is he always works through an interpreter,

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00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 22: because what that does in those big meetings is it

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00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 22: just slows everything down. So so the advice to Zelensky

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Speaker 22: was use an interpreter, because you're going to be able

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Speaker 22: to slow everything down. I think it's fantastic that the

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00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 22: EU is going with Zelensky to support him this time,

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Speaker 22: and I think symbolically that's really really important. But there

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00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 22: is absolutely no way to guarantee what's happened going to

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Speaker 22: happen out in the back of this, and one of

1276
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 22: the problems with the Trump team. Trump won't take briefings.

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Speaker 22: He isn't properly prepared for these meetings and the groundwork

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Speaker 22: that you would normally expect going into these meetings. So

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Speaker 22: normally you'd go into these meetings, you would know what's

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Speaker 22: going to happen. And it's really the kind of symbolism

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00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 22: in the pictures story that goes with it. No one

1282
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 22: knows with Trump's team what on earth is going to

1283
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Speaker 22: happen next?

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Speaker 20: What makes hang on?

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Speaker 3: Josie, I just need to take a break, and I

1286
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: want you one quick thing afterwards, hanging a tack, it's

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Speaker 3: called a.

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Speaker 3: Back with the huddle, Josie, what was your one quick thing?

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Speaker 23: Just to illustrate how extraordinary this moment was, so putin

1292
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 23: walks down, he gets the red carpet and the clap,

1293
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Speaker 23: the handshake with Trump. If he had landed in New

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Speaker 23: zeal the flyover the flyer one hundred countries, he would

1295
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 23: have been arrested because there's an ICC International Criminal Court

1296
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Speaker 23: basically a arrest at first sight ruling on him because

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Speaker 23: he's a war criminal. But the other thing I quickly

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Speaker 23: wanted to say was Russia is very weak at the moment,

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Speaker 23: and I think, as you say, Trump doesn't really analyze

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Speaker 23: this very politically. Russia has lost Syria, you know, I said, Alasad,

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Speaker 23: I sell Basha Alasad, it's been dumped or it's dumped Iran,

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Speaker 23: the Gulf States are shifting to towards the US. It

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Speaker 23: has an economy the size of Spain. So really, you know,

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Speaker 23: Trump is treating it is if it's some sort of

1305
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Speaker 23: Cold war equal to the US, and it isn't. So

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Speaker 23: he just doesn't get the politics well.

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Speaker 22: But that brings us back to the theories about what

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Speaker 22: hold Putin has hold on him because moody pictures. Otherwise,

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Speaker 22: it just doesn't it actually doesn't make sense what's happening.

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Speaker 3: So there are some who are connected to the White

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Speaker 3: House Josie who reckon that potent's got some Epstein files

1312
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Speaker 3: or something like that, and they get together at these

1313
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Speaker 3: meetings and he just flashes flashes fine and Trump and

1314
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Speaker 3: he's like, do you remember this?

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Speaker 23: And frankly, if they were moody pictures, we will be

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Speaker 23: relieved and breathe a sigh of relief. They're going to

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Speaker 23: be worse than that, aren't.

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Speaker 3: They mostly well you know who knows. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: love a good conspiracy theory, so I'm deep in this one.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, Trish, that David Cymore has made the

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Speaker 3: right call leaving the bike helmets as mandatory?

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Speaker 13: I do.

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Speaker 22: I went to a very interesting speech the other day

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Speaker 22: and one of the points that came out of it

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Speaker 22: was how mired in very bad old regulation New Zealander is.

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Speaker 22: But because of the slowness of our parliament and the

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Speaker 22: legislative process, and because a lot of those old regulations

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Speaker 22: will have to be removed through legislation in Parliament, it's going.

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Speaker 3: To be years and years before we get through it.

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Speaker 22: So the reason I speak to that is I don't

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Speaker 22: think getting rid of regulations around bike helmets. If you

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Speaker 22: put if you lined up all of that regulation that's

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Speaker 22: just on the priority list, it's it seems to me

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Speaker 22: to be ridiculous, and I think that's the line that

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Speaker 22: the new Ministry for Regulation needs to carefully traverse. I

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Speaker 22: would like to see a priority list of legislation with

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Speaker 22: a waiting about how damaging it it is and its impact,

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Speaker 22: and then to see that list work through thoroughly. When

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Speaker 22: you get random things like this that don't really seem

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01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 22: to make sense, or they're not they're not even low

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Speaker 22: hanging fruit. I mean, they're not even a ball ble

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01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 22: on the tree, are they. I just don't think it

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Speaker 22: looks good for that ministry and the important job it's

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Speaker 22: got to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the right call then to just dump it.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon, Josie.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, they've got to pick their battles a bit better.

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 23: There's a bit too many of these sort of symbolic gestures,

1349
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 23: like taking reversing the Marti word on passports. It's like

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01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 23: no one was bothered about that, and no one's thinking,

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Speaker 23: oh my god, we must get rid of helmets. Although

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Speaker 23: I'm like you Heather, as a mum, I'm strapped on

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Speaker 23: helmets to my kids when they're young, and now they're

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Speaker 23: in their twenties. I mean I virtually want them and

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01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 23: bulletproof fests like RoboCop going around. So of course, as

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Speaker 23: parents were going to do everything to keep them safe

1357
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 23: if they don't keep phoning my iPhone on I'm phoning

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01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 23: up for proof of life every day. So you could

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Speaker 23: say that if you take the helmet mandatory helmet away,

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Speaker 23: that most people will do what's safe anyway, and put

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Speaker 23: the helmet on, and people who don't want to. The

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Speaker 23: problem you've got is e.

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Speaker 9: Bikes, right?

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Speaker 23: Are e bikes mopeads or are they?

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Speaker 3: What about the lime scooters? Everybody gets absolutely absolutely ham

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Speaker 3: med at the weekend on them and Whio got in

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Speaker 3: the almetsh an't they?

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Speaker 19: Yes?

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Speaker 23: But enough about my son who ended up in a

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Speaker 23: and E drunk at three am.

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Speaker 3: Well there you go, hey guys. Oh by the way,

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Speaker 3: by the way, Trisha, are you going to read Grant's book?

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Speaker 22: I think it's one that you will not find on

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Speaker 22: my bedside table, along with Cinda's book. I feel like

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01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 22: they're ones. I just sort of get them summarized from

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Speaker 22: I'll read it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. You can be my human shield on that one.

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01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 3: What about you, Joseph, I'll read the chat GPT version.

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Speaker 23: I'm just a bit sick of this sort of tendency

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Speaker 23: of politicians to publish books to tell their side of

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Speaker 23: the story, rather than it being something we're all demanding.

1382
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 23: Oh look, he was finance minister. He's got an interesting

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01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 23: story to tell. But you can't publish a book and

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Speaker 23: then not appear at a public royal commission in the same.

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Speaker 3: Freek Sister thank you, Trishas and JOSEPEGANI huddle this evening,

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Speaker 3: seven away from Sex.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplasy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News TALKSBI.

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Speaker 3: Here there is Zelenski wearing a suit tomorrow. Absolutely not,

1390
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 3: absolutely not. This is the biggest mesing. This is the

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 3: biggest meeting. So he's got to absolutely remind them that

1392
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 3: they're all there for the wars. He's got a war

1393
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: that he's got, you know, he'll have a range, like

1394
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: he's got his dress uniform, he's got all the stuff.

1395
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 3: So he's just got to wear his best war uniform. Hither,

1396
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Speaker 3: that was an over abundance, over abundance of emotive estrogen.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It's a hot take, isn't it. Okay, here

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Speaker 3: we go, Contact Energy. This is what I need to

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01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: tell you about. So if you feel like you're being

1400
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: if you're feeling a bit grumpy about what you're paying

1401
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 3: for electricity and gas at the moment, you're not gonna

1402
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 3: like this these numbers I'm about to give you. Contact

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01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 3: Energy has just reported full year net profit up forty

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01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 3: one percent, revenue up twenty percent, underlying profit up seventeen percent.

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 3: Full year dividend thirty nine cents per share. So if

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Speaker 3: you bought shares in Contact, happy days for you. We're

1407
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: going to talk to Nikolais. Oh, by the way, actually

1408
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: I should say Shane Soley Harbor Asset Management, because we're

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01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 3: full noise into reporting season, whole bunch of businesses of

1410
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 3: report today. He's going to run us through the bangers

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01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: at about twenty five past six, and Nikola Willis is

1412
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: going to be with us very shortly. Grant Robertson's book.

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01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: So I bumped I was out at the shop today.

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01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 3: I had to go get some milk and I bumped

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01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 3: into somebody I know who knows things about things, and

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01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 3: he said to me, oh gosh, have you heard about

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01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 3: Grant Robertson's book. And I said no, I haven't yet,

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01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: and he said, oh, jez. Apparently he goes hard on

1419
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: David Cunliff. They really hate David Cunliffe or the lawyers.

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01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 3: I'm totally reporting gossip to you. This is just I'm

1421
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 3: not gonna lie. This is just gossip. It's just tittle tattle.

1422
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 3: Apparently the lawyers had to go over They were freaking

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Speaker 3: out about the two chapters on David Cunliff. Anyway, I

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01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 3: don't really understand. I don't really understand the hatred because

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01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 3: if you've read just Sinda's book, you'll know she goes

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01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 3: hard of all people on David cundlif like the heaps

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01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 3: of time wasted on him, and then apparently Grant as well.

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Speaker 3: And I don't really know why they hate him so

1429
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 3: much because he wasn't really the source of all of

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01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: their problems. I mean, he was the source of some

1431
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: of their problems, and he was you know, he's annoying,

1432
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 3: but he's not that bad. He's not bad enough to

1433
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: have to dedicate like your big this is your big

1434
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 3: contribution to history, and you're gonna put two chapters in there. Anyway,

1435
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 3: I'll read it for you. I'll let you know how

1436
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: it goes. Another bit of information on the markets for

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01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 3: you quickly. A to milk company has bought the Poconoa plant,

1438
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 3: the Yashili plant. Bought it for two hundred and eighty

1439
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 3: two million dollars sold at steak in the Toda Valley.

1440
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 3: Milk to open Dairy Country Open Country Dairy twelve months

1441
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Speaker 3: to due net profit out of tax up twenty one percent.

1442
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Speaker 3: There you got and We're into it. Nicholas next.

1443
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The Business

1444
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather duplessyl Ands for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions.

1445
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: News talks that be.

1446
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. Shane Soley's

1447
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 3: going to get us started on reporting season. We'll get

1448
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 3: you across Convisa's big news and Gavin Gray will do

1449
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 3: the UK for us right now at seven pass six.

1450
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 3: And of course Nikola Willis is the Finance Minister. Hi Nikola, Hi, Heather,

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 3: how was London? It was great.

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Speaker 24: You know, when you're overseas you appreciate what's wonderful about

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Speaker 24: New Zealand. And I met with some of the people

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01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 24: who lend money to New Zealand to invest in New

1455
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 24: Zealand and they had two pretty clear messages for me.

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Speaker 24: Number one was, please stick to this plan of being sensible, reliable,

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01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 24: responsible fiscal managers. That's why we like you and that's

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Speaker 24: why we lend to you at good rates. Number two, Wow,

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Speaker 24: New Zealand, you are lucky. You live in a safe

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Speaker 24: part of the world. You are making things that the

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Speaker 24: world wants to buy. You're a country that's going to grow,

1462
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 24: and that's why we want to invest in New Zealand,

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Speaker 24: so very reassuring.

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Speaker 3: Did they give you any ideas well?

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Speaker 24: They were very clear that they think that our agricultural

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01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 24: sector has big prospects, particularly in value added food, where

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Speaker 24: they think can consumers will continue to want more sustainable products.

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01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 24: They'll clear that our tourism proposition is one that they

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01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 24: can see growing, and that our tech firms show up

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Speaker 24: very well. I was in New York and I met

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Speaker 24: with the Zero team there and they said that it's

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Speaker 24: not just them doing good stuff in America, that actually

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01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 24: a number of tech firms are turning up with export

1474
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 24: opportunities into the United States, and they think New Zealand

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 24: has some pretty special source. Our firms are clever at

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01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 24: what they do.

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Speaker 3: Why was Luxon really not on that phone call overnight?

1478
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 3: I don't think it's because he was sleeping.

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01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 24: Which phone call you're referring to.

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Speaker 3: This is the overnight phone call with the Coalition of

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Speaker 3: the Willing, the one that happened at one am.

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Speaker 24: I can't speak to that. I haven't talked to him

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Speaker 24: about it.

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01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 3: Either, do you think.

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Speaker 8: I mean?

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Speaker 3: You know the man right, You know him very well

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01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 3: because you work with them all the time. He's the

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01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 3: kind of guy. If there was an if there was

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Speaker 3: an awkward time zone, like there's an awkward call at

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 3: an awkward time one am, he would get up and

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Speaker 3: do it if it was important, isn't he?

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Speaker 24: Absolutely? But he's also a diligent person who takes advice

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Speaker 24: from his officials. So I haven't seen what that advice is.

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01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what the background conspiracy theory. But the

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01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 3: reason I'm asking you this is because I think that

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Speaker 3: actually the reason he wasn't on that phone call is

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01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 3: because it's an anti Trump phone call, and we don't

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01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 3: want to be in the andro Trump camp.

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01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 24: In my experience, conspiracy theories and politics are almost always wrong.

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01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 24: What is much more likely is the benign, boring, practical

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 24: reality that it was at a bad time.

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01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 3: Okay, why are we going to get hig Yondae to

1503
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 3: build the fairies?

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01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 24: They are able to tender on the replacement theories, but

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01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 24: we're certainly not in a position to guarantee that they

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Speaker 24: will be doing didn't.

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Speaker 19: We given that?

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Speaker 13: We?

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01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 3: I mean, because we now know that we put two

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two million dollars into high Yonda for

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Speaker 3: the break fee in the deposit, why didn't we just

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Speaker 3: use that deposit and switch what theory we wanted and

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Speaker 3: say we don't want the big ones anymore, we want

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Speaker 3: some mediate ones.

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Speaker 24: Well, we did look at doing that either. Of course,

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01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 24: Kyonda's specialty isn't doing really big ships, and so initially

1517
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 24: what we said is, why don't you just repurchase the

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01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 24: stuff you've already got and turn it into smaller ones,

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01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 24: And they said, we worry about that because that will

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01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 24: create a liability for us, because you're actually asking us

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01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 24: to do something completely different from what we embarked on.

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01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 24: And they would have been unprepared to give us the

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01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 24: kind of liability guarantees and insurance that we needed for

1524
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 24: those smaller ships with repurposed kit. So then it just

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01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 24: becomes a question of under what conditions would they fully

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01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 24: insure ships. And that's why they've been invited to submit

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 24: in a new tender. Of course, they haven't asked us

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01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 24: to give them the full price of the original ships.

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01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 24: We did manage to get some of that.

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 3: Now, do you regret canceling those big fairies because we

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 3: have ended up Once you tally up how much we're

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01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 3: put into the deposit and then the break fee and

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01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 3: then the infrastructure costs and stuff. We've spent six hundred

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01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 3: and seventy million dollars, we've got nothing for it.

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Speaker 24: Well, no, because quite simply, if we'd forged ahead with

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01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 24: that really broken, chaotic idea, it would have ended up

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01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 24: costing billions and billions of dollars, far more than the

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01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 24: cost of the now resized, more practical aprodiges.

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Speaker 3: We take a can at least, I mean, look, it

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01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 3: would have been extremely expensive, but at least at the

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01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 3: end we would have two really big fairies and all

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01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 3: of the infrastructure. But now what we've done, and sure

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: it'd been expensive, but now we've just like literally frush

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01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 3: six hundred and seventy dollars seventy million dollars down the toilet.

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01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 3: We've got nothing for it, and we're going to have

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01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 3: actually medium sized stuff.

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01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 24: I doubt that very much. The plans were not progressing well.

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01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 24: They'd become tied up in all sorts of complication. There

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01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 24: was a very reasonable reality that the port side infrastructure

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01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 24: would not have been built in time for the fairies

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 24: to have arrived, and that they therefore wouldn't have been

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01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 24: able to be used. There were still questions being asked

1553
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 24: by the harbor Master and picked in about whether or

1554
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,799
Speaker 24: not they would allow those large ships to have passage

1555
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 24: through the Tory Channel. There were questions about how they

1556
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 24: would operate. What we could see was an impending disaster.

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01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 24: It was very unlikely that those ships would have arrived

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01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 24: and been used in good time. It was incredibly likely

1559
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 24: that we would see further cost blowouts, further complications, further

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01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 24: problems into the future. We've now got a project underway

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 24: which will deliver fairies that are suited for the purpose

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01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 24: with port infrastructure that is needed, and it won't be

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01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 24: a gold plated plan that goes wrong.

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Speaker 3: Have you got a gas meeting tonight?

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01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 24: I meet with all of my colleagues regularly on a

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01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 24: number of issues, and energy policy in New Zealand is

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01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 24: one that's yes.

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01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 3: Come on, you've got a meeting yourself. Chris Bishop, Christopher

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01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 3: Luxen and Simon Watts have a meeting in this hour,

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 3: the six o'clock.

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01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 24: No one really cares about meetings. What they care about

1572
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 24: is in New Zealand right now, too many people are

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01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,839
Speaker 24: paying too much for electricity firms.

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01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 3: But why are you having a meeting?

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01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 24: You guys, listen, because we're not going to sit back

1576
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 24: and have a situation where businesses across the country have

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01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 24: to close their operations because they can't access the energy

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01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 24: they need. We're not going to have a situation. We're

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 24: because the last government band gas exploration, we run out

1580
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 24: of gas and run out of electricity. We are actively solving.

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01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 3: So are you discussing the Frontier Report in this meeting?

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01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 24: I've discussed the Frontier Report many times, but again for

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01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 24: your listeners, what this is about is how do we

1584
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 24: make sure that we're actually getting enough new electricity generation built.

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01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 24: We know acknowledging it can't all be wind, it can't

1586
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 24: all be sola, it can't all be hard.

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01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 3: But is this are you guys getting along with it?

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01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 3: This has been like you know, we've had We've had

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01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 3: a couple of winters and nothing has been done. So

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 3: are you guys going to get a riggle on here?

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01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 8: Yes?

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01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 3: Are we going to ration gas?

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01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 4: Well?

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01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 24: Of course it's always been the case in New Zealand

1595
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 24: that when there are gas shortages, agreements are forged about

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 24: how guests can be redistributed. You saw that last year

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01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 24: with Method X, and those conversations are always ongoing.

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 3: All right, hey, Nichola, thank you. As always appreciated and

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01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 3: welcome back home. That's Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister. Fourteen

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Speaker 3: past six.

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: It's the Heather duplessy Ellen Drive Full Show podcast on

1602
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: my Heart Radio empowered by news dog Zebbi.

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01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 3: Here the gas meeting be advised. Marwi Field shuts on

1604
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 3: December twenty sixth for good method X will shut down.

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 3: For good Port Tarannuka will be hurt as well as

1606
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 3: the region. Look that's from Dennis. I don't know if

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01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 3: that's true. Anything is possible with gas at the minute,

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01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 3: but please note that Nikola Willis did not rule out

1609
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 3: that we're going to have to ration gas. And remember

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01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 3: that was something that Shane Jones Rose raised last week

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 3: as a possibility that we would have to ration gas.

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01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 3: The fact is we're going to have the ration gas

1613
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 3: if we do it, whether we do it with the

1614
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 3: government doing it for us, or whether the market just

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01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 3: rations gas for us, as in those of us who

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01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 3: can afford to buy gas by gas away that which

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01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 3: is exactly what happened the other week right Contact Energy

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01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 3: bought the gas that that business wanted that has now

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01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 3: had to had to what is it agri whatever, what

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01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: is it called balance contract? Contact Energy brought balances. Gas

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01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 3: balance doesn't have anymore. That's the market basically rationing the gas.

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01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 3: So we're going to have to do it because look,

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 3: here's the thing. If you were using gas, you need

1624
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 3: to start thinking right now about what you're going to

1625
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 3: do instead, because there will not be gas soon. It

1626
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: will run out, and what pitdlely amount will be there

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01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,839
Speaker 3: be very expensive and brought by people with deep pockets.

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01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 3: Eighteen past six Shane Sally Harbor Asset Management with us. Now,

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01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 3: Hey Shane, hello Heather. All right, so we've got a

1630
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 3: big week obviously for the New Zealand company profit results

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01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 3: A two contact freightways. What did the market make of them?

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01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 25: Yeah, so you're bang on the thirteen companies reporting profits

1633
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 25: this week and we're obviously got five annual Shield of

1634
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 25: meetings kicked off today a two A profit result slightly

1635
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 25: against expectations, slightly higher that. The big news was they've

1636
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 25: announced their acquisition of your Shilly's Poco, a dairy processing

1637
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 25: plant for two hundred and eighty mel. They're selling Matari

1638
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 25: Valley milk to Open Country for one hundred mel. They're

1639
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 25: losing about one hundred and thirty.

1640
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 8: Mil on that deal.

1641
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 25: But They have actually announced a good high single digit

1642
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 25: revenue growth for the next year, and they've also talked

1643
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 25: about returning three undred million the special dividend once they've

1644
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 25: done the plant transactions. Stop Pray is up two point

1645
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 25: six percent to eight ninety five Contact good solid result

1646
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 25: in line with market expectations. Again, financed year twenty six

1647
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 25: guidance top of the market range, so that's positive. Share

1648
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 25: price was up about one percent, which is over one

1649
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 25: point three percent nine five freightways a result in line

1650
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 25: with market expectations. Management was saying, hey, it's been pretty

1651
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 25: tough challenging out there, but we continue to see this

1652
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 25: improving volume of the last six months. They think that's

1653
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,560
Speaker 25: going to continue. The momentum is going to continue and

1654
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 25: to financial year twenty six NEARSHEP price or freightway shap

1655
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 25: rods up one point six percent to eleven seventy four

1656
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 25: over the overall, pretty good start. New Zealand share market

1657
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 25: app zero point six percent, lead by Infanto A two

1658
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 25: in Contact.

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01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what else are you looking for this week?

1660
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 3: What are you interested in?

1661
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 25: Yeah, tomorrow we've got mercury. The other another the electricity

1662
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 25: generators INFTWOS that comes out with an your shield A

1663
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 25: meeting Wednesday Fletcher Building in Spark. Those two will be

1664
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 25: very closely watched. Both have had a few issues Thursday

1665
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 25: Ork on the Airport Fisher and Pipeliarchi at Heartland Scaler

1666
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 25: up Sky City. So pretty tiring day on Thursday. And

1667
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 25: then Friday we get new ze on Stopper Shanes inside

1668
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 25: x in Sky TV's a pretty rapid week of results.

1669
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 9: Now.

1670
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 3: Obviously another big thing is happening this week, which is

1671
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank meeting on the OCI. Did we get

1672
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 3: some some interesting data points out today?

1673
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 25: Yeah, it was interesting, different conflicting data points today here

1674
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 25: that First, up, we had the Benz Business dees on

1675
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 25: performance of Services and index for July. It was up

1676
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 25: slightly to forty eight point nine up versus Dune forty

1677
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 25: seven point six.

1678
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 8: Good.

1679
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 25: You know that means things are less bad because of

1680
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 25: reading below fifty still means the services part of their

1681
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 25: climb is shrinking, right, we're still contracting, so less bad

1682
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 25: but still bad.

1683
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 8: Secondly, we had the Reserve Bank and ZEE. They've come

1684
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 8: up with a new series.

1685
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 25: It's a business expectations survey and it showed inflation expectations

1686
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 25: across businesses up slightly on the last month, unemployment rate

1687
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 25: expectations down slightly. Back on inflation, businesses that talk about

1688
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 25: two point six four percent inflation expectations for the next

1689
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 25: two years. That's where that RBNS is tiger bends so

1690
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 25: they can cut. Finally, the INSI Shadow Board, this is

1691
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 25: the shadow Arabians in board. They have voted on a

1692
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 25: zero point two five percent cut to three percent on Wednesday.

1693
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 25: But even within the board there was a bit of descent.

1694
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 25: There's two of the board members said no change, five

1695
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 25: cent point two five percent and one said a half

1696
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 25: a percent. The markets expecting twenty five basis points on Wednesday,

1697
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 25: so it'll be a bit of a surprise if they

1698
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 25: don't get at quarter of a percent cut.

1699
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Shane as always, thank you so much. Talking to

1700
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 3: you Yain next week, Shane soally Harbor Asset Management. And

1701
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 3: by the way, Wednesday, Fletcher and Spark are going to

1702
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 3: be on the show. I've already locked them in for that.

1703
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 3: Baby Bunting has reported to like, why are you talking

1704
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 3: about because I have a baby, so I'm really interested

1705
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 3: in all this baby retail stuff. I'll tell you what,

1706
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 3: you don't take my advice on investment, But you want

1707
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 3: to put your money into baby stores because there's no

1708
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I was gonna say there's no end of that,

1709
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 3: but actually the birth rate's falling, so maybe you don't

1710
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 3: want to. But I have spent a small fortune at

1711
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 3: baby stores single handedly could have provided your dividend for you.

1712
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 3: Baby Bunting has achieved positive earnings in New Zealand for

1713
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 3: the first time. This is Australia's largest baby store. They

1714
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 3: opened their first store here in August twenty twenty two

1715
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 3: and they've they've got four already. They've got another six plan.

1716
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 3: I think the fifth one is supposed to open in

1717
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 3: Auckland this year. As I say, first time a chief

1718
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 3: positive earnings. They're operating earnings before interest in taxes only

1719
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five thousand New Zealand dollars, but

1720
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 3: better than I think because last year they made it

1721
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 3: about four million dollars loss in Australian dollars. So it's

1722
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 3: looking good six to twenty two.

1723
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics, it's all

1724
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen Dans for

1725
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News talks.

1726
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 3: We're going to be chatting to the Shareholders Association about

1727
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 3: the Convita News Conveta. Might we might lose it from

1728
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 3: the share market, might be brought privately, so we'll get

1729
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 3: the latest on that. Six twenty five was just talking

1730
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 3: to the German because there are babies all around this

1731
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 3: world that we're in at the moment, and we were

1732
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 3: talking about spending money and stuff, and she was saying

1733
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 3: that once upon a time somebody trying to sell her

1734
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 3: on a bundle for a PRAM. Do you know how

1735
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 3: much a she's shocked by this that the same thing

1736
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 3: happened to me. Do you know how much PRAM costs?

1737
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 3: If you go like pram, like maybe double seeds or

1738
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 3: single seeds or lay down capsule thingy for the baby

1739
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 3: when they're small, little capsule that you put in the car,

1740
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 3: you know, all that kind of jazz cup holder for

1741
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 3: you little tray underneath. Maybe if you'll really flash you

1742
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 3: get those like city wheels and then you can upgrade

1743
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 3: them to the big wheels, you know, for I don't know,

1744
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 3: if you're off roading with your brand, do you know

1745
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 3: how much that costs? It's like seventeen hundred dollars seventeen

1746
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 3: hundred dollars for a pram. Then I was saying to her,

1747
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 3: yoh yea, I bought the Mocker chairs the high chairs.

1748
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 3: Do you get the Mocker chairs. They're really great for kids,

1749
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 3: and they look nice and you can have them as

1750
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 3: like a like with a little front thing what is

1751
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 3: it called, you like a tray, and then as they

1752
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 3: get older, you take that off and then you lower

1753
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 3: the seat down and it's their seat until they're like

1754
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 3: nine or ten or whatever and you get rid of

1755
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 3: it finally do much that costs. But the Mocka is cheap.

1756
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 3: The Moka is like one fifty. It's based on the

1757
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 3: stockare from some Scandinavian country. Do you know how much

1758
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 3: the stockare costs. It's like four hundred and fifty dollars

1759
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 3: for a chair. Four hundred and fifty dollars. This is

1760
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 3: why there is money. There's money and baby stuff. You

1761
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 3: just need to come up with something that we need

1762
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 3: and then we'll just throw cash at it. Anyway, here's

1763
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 3: some show biz news for you.

1764
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 9: But it's the Reclai.

1765
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 19: This is not me telling you.

1766
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 9: It's by American Egle Chance.

1767
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 8: Sydney's twenty has very keen.

1768
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 9: You see what I did there?

1769
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, despite an army of new fans, Sidney Sweeney

1770
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 3: has bombed at the box office this weekend. Her American

1771
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 3: Eagle ad turned heads left and righting conservatives said they

1772
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 3: would support her no matter what. After be BuzzFeed outed

1773
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 3: her as a registered Republican. But her new film is

1774
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,799
Speaker 3: called Americana made only eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars

1775
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 3: at the US box office and it's in its first weekend.

1776
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 3: The movie is a crime drama about a wannabe country

1777
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 3: singer who gets caught up in a black market wall

1778
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 3: between two rival and gangs.

1779
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 5: Dollars.

1780
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 4: I'm good at that, Ashley. I didn't know you were

1781
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 4: sooner country music.

1782
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 9: Here is that?

1783
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 8: Wow.

1784
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 3: Film debut in over one thousand theaters. For the entire weekend,

1785
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 3: each theater made eight hundred and fifty dollars showing this movie.

1786
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 3: That's not very good. Eight hundred and fifty dollars. You

1787
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 3: couldn't even buy couldn't even buy a pram With that.

1788
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 3: Sydney might have more success selling jeans than selling movie tickets.

1789
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 3: At the moment, it would appear maybe the culture war

1790
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 3: thing has backlashed for her who knows News is next,

1791
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 3: and then we'll do con Beta news talks.

1792
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 9: That b.

1793
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates. The Business Hour

1794
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas for Trusted Home Insurance

1795
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 1: Solutions News dogs that'd be.

1796
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 3: We've got UK, sorry, Gavin Gray out of the UK

1797
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 3: with us in ten minutes time. If you've watched The

1798
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 3: Day of the Jackal, you might be interested in the

1799
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 3: stat A Ukrainian sniper has just claimed the longest distance kill.

1800
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 3: Took out two Russian soldiers from a distance of four

1801
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 3: k's and has supporting four k's is a really? I

1802
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 3: mean you can that is a that anyway, I don't

1803
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 3: need to kind of over egg it. You understand it,

1804
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 3: you know distances, you've got supporting footage for it happened

1805
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 3: August fourteen, so just mid last week ish and was

1806
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 3: using a I don't know what this is, but for

1807
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 3: people who do know, you might be interested in it.

1808
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 3: A fourteen point five millimeter alligator rifle using artificial intelligence

1809
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 3: under the guidance of a ua V complex. No idea,

1810
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 3: but anyway that made it happen. Previous claim to the

1811
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 3: longest sniper kill was another Ukrainian who took a shot

1812
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 3: at three point eight k's twenty four away from seven.

1813
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: Heather duplessly out.

1814
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 3: So, a business associated with billionaire Mark Stewart has made

1815
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 3: a takeover offer for troubled Honey Export con The offer

1816
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 3: is to buy all of the shares for eighty cents each.

1817
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 3: That's about fifty six point four million dollars in total.

1818
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 3: The conveter boarder supporting the office, saying this is the

1819
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 3: best way to get the business back on track. Oliver

1820
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 3: Amanda is the CEO of the Shareholders Association and with

1821
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 3: us Hey, Oliver good evening, Heather sounds like a good

1822
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 3: deal for shareholders.

1823
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 20: Do you agree, Well, it's a deal for shareholders the

1824
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 20: I mean, certainly. All it reflects is just how much

1825
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 20: has changed a convisa over the past ten years. The

1826
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 20: share price the business was ten years ago, it was

1827
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 20: probably ten to twelve dollars. I think it picked at

1828
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 20: about twelve dollars during twenty sixteen, and that just reflects

1829
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 20: what's happened in the market since then. And you've seen

1830
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 20: this this glut of Manuka honey flood the market that's

1831
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 20: had an impact on margins. More recently, that's effected the company.

1832
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 20: That's probably really creating this type of outcome for shareholders

1833
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 20: because it's probably says more about the company's debt levels

1834
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 20: than it does about shareholders.

1835
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, So is that the fall from twelve dollars

1836
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,879
Speaker 3: a share down to about fifty cents? Is that mainly

1837
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 3: or completely because of the flooding of alternatives into the market.

1838
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 20: Look, that's likely to be the case. Yeah, So you

1839
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 20: saw that there's low barriers to entry into the market.

1840
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,919
Speaker 20: You've seen a gluts of monoca honey producers and supplies.

1841
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 20: We saw earlier this year we saw King Honey tipped

1842
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 20: into liquidation, which was owned as a subsidiary by another

1843
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 20: INSITTEX listed company. So yeah, that impacts obviously margins, but

1844
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 20: it also meant that a lot of the supplies, like Conveter,

1845
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 20: are carrying significant amounts of inventory and that stock that

1846
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 20: that's going to be funded by something or someone, And

1847
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 20: that meant that in Conveter's case, debt levels went up

1848
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 20: as well. So you've got higher debt levels and then

1849
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 20: that's compounded by reduced margins and losses. All of a sudden,

1850
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 20: some of those called bank covenance started things that banks

1851
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 20: look at to make sure their debts are safe. They

1852
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 20: start to look pretty shaky. So the company has been

1853
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 20: working really hard recently to try to stabilize the business,

1854
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 20: cut costs, cut inventory levels, and negotiate with its banks

1855
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 20: in terms of saying, hey, we need some relief here

1856
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 20: to get us through this particular cycle. The board, they've

1857
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 20: obviously received this offer. I've obviously felt that that was

1858
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 20: probably represents better and more certain value now for shareholders

1859
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 20: compared to what the execution risk might be in future.

1860
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 9: Is it just me?

1861
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 3: I mean, tell me if I'm just if I'm imagining it,

1862
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 3: But it feels like there have been quite a few

1863
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 3: takeover offers lately.

1864
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 20: You're not imagining it, And I think the one interesting

1865
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 20: thing for me is that whenever there's a takeover, of

1866
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 20: course yet maybe it's good for shareholders, but actually that

1867
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 20: means that someone else is seeing value in the business

1868
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 20: for whatever reason.

1869
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 3: But it's obviously sorry Caroen.

1870
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 20: Marks to it owns another honey business. There's clearly some

1871
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 20: synergy there that he's seeing in a you know, by

1872
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 20: looking at the operations of these two businesses and putting

1873
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 20: them together.

1874
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how do you feel about that?

1875
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 19: Though?

1876
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 3: In terms of business is being taken off the market.

1877
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 20: Well, we don't love it. And if there was a

1878
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 20: pipeline of businesses coming into the market, we feel a

1879
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 20: bit better about it. Yeah, but ultimately takeover is the

1880
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 20: ultimate sanction. You know, if a business isn't performing for

1881
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 20: whatever reason, then actually or or the sentiment around it

1882
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 20: is poor, the future outlook is poor, then obviously that

1883
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 20: does start to attract interest. And yeah, there's been some

1884
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 20: probably it's not just this year, of the last two

1885
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 20: to three years, it's probably been heightened activity in our market.

1886
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 20: You know, we've seen likes of Push Pay Go, We've

1887
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 20: seen our Veda group disappear. The currently i think Vital Technologies,

1888
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 20: a small Wellington based company, it's un to takeover offer

1889
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 20: by Tate of christ Church. So yeah, look there there's

1890
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 20: it's ultimately the arbiter of shareholder value. So takeovers definitely

1891
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 20: play a role market, a really important role. But what's

1892
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 20: missing at the moment is that sort of front end

1893
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 20: activity to bring companies into market. And we think there's

1894
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 20: a lot more work required to get that balance right

1895
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 20: between private and public and the regulations that apply to

1896
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 20: each to make sure it's the level playing field.

1897
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 3: Oliver. While we've got you, how good is A two

1898
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 3: looking at the moment?

1899
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 20: Well, yeah, AA two is that the pole are opposite

1900
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 20: to what we've just described, certainly so today that they've

1901
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 20: announced that the purchase of the Shelley Milk plant at

1902
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 20: Pocono fo hundred naty two million dollars, and it's it's

1903
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 20: kind of in an easier position that they're in a

1904
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 20: good position to do this given the fact they have

1905
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 20: one point one billion dollars of cash sitting on their

1906
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 20: balance sheet, and that's up from nine hundred and seventy

1907
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 20: odd million last year.

1908
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 8: I think.

1909
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 20: So this is a business that generates plenty of cash,

1910
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 20: but it has traditionally been capital light, so they haven't

1911
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 20: invested much in plant equipment to support the sale of

1912
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 20: their product into China. So this does mark a bit

1913
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 20: of a step change for them. But had the investment

1914
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 20: in Matawa Valley Milk in Southland for some time that

1915
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 20: is loss making. Now this is still loss making, at

1916
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 20: least initially, so they're relying on growing the throughput through

1917
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 20: the new plant they've purchased. Through the it is a

1918
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 20: broad off as a broader suite of products and output

1919
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 20: compared to Matawa of aliy milk and obviously banking on

1920
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 20: growing that to actually improve the efficiency of the plant

1921
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 20: and the amount of products that they can put through it.

1922
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 3: Good stuff. It's good to talk to you, Oliver. Really

1923
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 3: appreciate your expertise. Oliver Amanda, New Zealand Shareholders Association CEO.

1924
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:39,799
Speaker 3: It's eighteen away from seven.

1925
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 4: Together loop for s l geez either.

1926
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 3: I bought a car, a trailer with a stock crate

1927
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 3: and a current wolf in Redgo for seventeen hundred dollars,

1928
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 3: the same price as the pram. I remember in the

1929
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 3: late seventies pushing a pram across a paddock in Northern

1930
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 3: Southland to get to neighbor's place to watch a Test match.

1931
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 3: Two kids were in the pram and four big bottles

1932
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 3: of year beer, of which one fell out and broke.

1933
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 3: Does your new pram hold big bottles if you're going

1934
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:01,799
Speaker 3: to the neighbors?

1935
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 4: Yes?

1936
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 3: Well, this is one of the benefits of having a

1937
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 3: big pram actually is that you can push it up

1938
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 3: to the liquor store and then put the bottles in

1939
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 3: the bottom and push it back. It's not a great like,

1940
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 3: I don't know why. It's you feel very uncomfortable about it.

1941
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Speaker 3: But you're not obviously gonna get drunk right then and there,

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Speaker 3: or even drunk at all, because you've got babies around

1943
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Speaker 3: the house. All you gonna have is, you know, like

1944
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Speaker 3: Friday night, big night, two beers and one little sip

1945
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Speaker 3: of whiskey, you know. But somehow when you go into

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Speaker 3: a shop and you're like, Hi, this is my seven

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Speaker 3: month old. He's going to have that bottle of gin please,

1948
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Speaker 3: and that whisky and the yeah, that whisky, you'll have

1949
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Speaker 3: those three, you just feel like a raging alco and

1950
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 3: check it on the pram if you're like, OT's got

1951
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Speaker 3: to be called immediately. There is a bit of blowback

1952
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,600
Speaker 3: in the UK about a chap who works for the

1953
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 3: Reform Party. This is Nigel for Veraja's party. Young guy

1954
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 3: names Jack Anderton ran Faraja's TikTok account, which was incredibly successful.

1955
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 3: He has He's aired some views about what Britain should

1956
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 3: and should not have done in World War II, and

1957
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Speaker 3: basically has argued that Britain should never have fought the

1958
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Speaker 3: Nazis world War two. He says more than a million

1959
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 3: British lives have been lost since World War One in

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Speaker 3: wars and battles that have never once been fought by

1961
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 3: British men on this island. Fighting in both the World

1962
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 3: Wars ensured the UK was no longer a great power.

1963
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 3: He wrote. We impoverished ourselves for decades. We didn't finish

1964
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 3: paying the loans off to America until two thousand and six.

1965
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 3: Our economy stagnated, We lost an empire. We're pushed around

1966
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Speaker 3: by America and Germany, a country we beat has been

1967
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 3: richer than us since the nineteen seventies. Alternative history is interesting,

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Speaker 3: he says. If Britain had not fought in World War

1969
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Speaker 3: one and two, it would not have had to rely

1970
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Speaker 3: on America for economic support, and it would have had

1971
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 3: the independence to act accordingly. Britain would have could have

1972
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 3: developed India, Cypress, Fiji, Malta. Since Lucius Seychell's the Bahamas, Australia, Canada,

1973
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 3: South Africa, Ireland and New Zealand. In the coming meritocracy,

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Speaker 3: perhaps Britain could regain some of these nations. Can't wait.

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01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Can't wait also, obviously, as you can imagine, making an

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01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 3: argue about a previous war when there's a current war.

1977
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,799
Speaker 3: Doesn't want Britain to be involved in fighting for Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: We'll go to Britain next quarter two.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with hither Dup c Ellen and Mares

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Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions newstalks 'b either.

1982
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Speaker 3: If Britain decided not to have fought in World War Two,

1983
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 3: would that mean they would have been German? Now, yes, Barbara, probably,

1984
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 3: I think he's not factoring that. And if you've got

1985
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 3: the Germans standing over the channel looking at you, the

1986
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 3: coming for you, and so you're going to be German too,

1987
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Speaker 3: So there will be no Britain. You'll be speaking that language.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen away from seven. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent with US. Now,

1989
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Speaker 3: Heykevin either had it right well, speaking of wars, do

1990
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Speaker 3: we expect anything to come out of this meeting like

1991
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 3: a we actually going to have something solid out of

1992
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:44,799
Speaker 3: the White House overnight?

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Speaker 18: I don't think so personally. But look, this is all,

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01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 18: you know, all complete projection of what we think is

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01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 18: going to happen. But there is a long list of

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01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 18: European leaders going to this meeting. In fact, it's almost

1997
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 18: quicker to tell you who isn't going. But among those

1998
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 18: who are are the European commissioned President Ursula Vondalan, the

1999
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Speaker 18: UK Prime Minister, the French president, the leader of Germany,

2000
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 18: the leader of Italy, all heading along along with NATO

2001
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 18: Secretary General Mark Rutter. Interesting that in the last few hours,

2002
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 18: Donald Trump's saying that you know, it's down to Zelenski.

2003
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 18: If he wants peace, he can get it today sort

2004
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Speaker 18: of thing. And I have this strong suspicion that the

2005
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,440
Speaker 18: Europeans have been invited almost as a sort of potential

2006
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 18: blame game, that if nothing comes around, that the Europeans

2007
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 18: will be told that they've been blamed for this because

2008
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 18: they were demanding too much out of Russia. And Donald

2009
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 18: Trump was saying, with are you get on with it?

2010
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 18: That's one theory They could be there, of course to

2011
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,639
Speaker 18: a company and to make sure that President Zelenski doesn't

2012
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 18: get ambushed or hijacked again in the White House, has

2013
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 18: happened of course last time he was there. But you

2014
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 18: know there's optimism as well. Perhaps genuinely they really do

2015
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 18: think with this security guarantee, that's what they could work

2016
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 18: on with Donald Trump. The future of Ukraine once piece

2017
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Speaker 18: has been established. There's a lot at stake here and

2018
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 18: I think the world will be hanging on for the

2019
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 18: result of the meeting. But as I said, I think

2020
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Speaker 18: people are beginning to think this is early steps rather

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Speaker 18: than big decisions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Now what are we seeing, you know, the

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01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 3: plan that has emerged as having come out of that

2024
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 3: Alaska meeting, basically Pusan's demands. Do we see that as

2025
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,600
Speaker 3: Putin's opening gambit or is that kind of what we

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01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 3: have to work with.

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Speaker 21: No.

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Speaker 18: I think that's a sort of an opening gambit at

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01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 18: least that's the hope, quite simply because there's Russia wants

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01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:38,679
Speaker 18: to claim territory in Ukraine that it doesn't even occupy

2031
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 18: as yet. So there's an argument you might say, well,

2032
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 18: that's what they've managed to win, you know, in the

2033
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 18: violence of this war, so let them keep that for

2034
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 18: the sake of peace. But they're also after areas of

2035
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,759
Speaker 18: the Dombas, the Eastern regions, the eastern sort of states

2036
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 18: as it were, that they also want the whole of,

2037
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 18: and they don't currently occupy that. There are even reports

2038
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 18: of what have been described as suicide squad so just

2039
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 18: two or three Russians going beyond and into Ukrainian territory,

2040
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 18: into enemy lines as it were, for them and painting

2041
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 18: and planting Russian flags everywhere, so that from satellite images

2042
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 18: they're getting this idea that actually the Russian advances are

2043
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 18: much greater than they actually are, something that I know

2044
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 18: Ukraine has been saying, look this is they don't run

2045
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 18: this bit, They've just stuck a flag there. So lots

2046
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 18: of sort of different talk about what can be done today.

2047
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,560
Speaker 18: But as I said, the inclusion of the Europeans is

2048
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 18: something that will delight the leaders, I'm not sure the

2049
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 18: actual process of getting a negotiation will.

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Speaker 3: Kevin, thanks very much, really appreciate you.

2051
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 8: So I met.

2052
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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you in a couple of days. That's

2053
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Speaker 3: Kevin Gray, aw UK correspondent. Nine away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the hither tupla See Alan Drive Full show podcast

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01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,160
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Speaker 3: By the way, I thought, geez, I love irony. This

2057
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 3: is so ironic. Six away from seven Auckland Council's not

2058
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 3: happy because someone has done some art installation. The art

2059
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 3: installations happened at Takomitti Tunga Square, which is down there

2060
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 3: by britam Art. And I don't spend a lot of

2061
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 3: time down by Brita art, so I've confirmed with ants

2062
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 3: who does that. In fact, that area is all pedestrianized

2063
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 3: as I thought, So the whole thing to Komittiitunga Square

2064
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:24,639
Speaker 3: is pedestrianized. And somebody has taken the liberty of overnight

2065
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 3: popping up art installation all over it by placing about

2066
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 3: one hundred road cones all over it, and the council

2067
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 3: is not happy about this. This person has put a

2068
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 3: sign it says come get your cones. Each cone has

2069
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 3: a QR code attached. You do the QR codey thing.

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01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,640
Speaker 3: It takes you a website explaining the art. The art

2071
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 3: is described as embodying city mismanagement and creative rebirth and

2072
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 3: transforming urban neglect into monumental art. And they reckon they've

2073
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 3: harvested abandoned traffic cones from various Auckland streets. The irony

2074
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 3: of Auckland Council not enjoying oad cones all over the

2075
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 3: show is not lost on me at all. The installation

2076
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 3: the person whoever the website right is obviously giving you

2077
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,719
Speaker 3: the information. The website said that the art was supposed

2078
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 3: to be up for twenty four hours. However, Auckland Council

2079
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 3: has confirmed it will be tagging the art installation down.

2080
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 3: If only Auckland Council and its various bodies like Auckland

2081
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 3: Transport could be this efficient with actually removing road cones

2082
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 3: from the road, maybe not putting them out in the

2083
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 3: first place, I would thoroughly enjoy that very very much.

2084
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 3: So anyway to you Auckland Council now Ants has been

2085
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 3: sitting on this for like hours. It is not a tautology,

2086
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 3: says Ants to say. Overseas countries, No.

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01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 16: It isn't, absolutely not. Why not, Well, because the example

2088
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 16: we were using was the Prime Minister's one am in

2089
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 16: the morning, right, wow, one am in the morning is

2090
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 16: the tautology because in the morning is wasted. One am

2091
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 16: is always in the morning. You can't have one am

2092
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 16: if it's not in the morning. Yes, but overseas countries

2093
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 16: you're talking about all countries other than the one you're

2094
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 16: currently in. So countries can be countries without being overseas

2095
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 16: countries in that at least one country, New Zealand is

2096
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 16: not overseas. So if I say overseas countries, it's not

2097
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 16: a complete waste.

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01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 3: Okay, So in some instances it will not be a tautology.

2099
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 3: But in many instances where for example, let's say that

2100
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 3: you're Chris Luxon, you say I was on the phone

2101
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 3: with other leaders of overseas countries.

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01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 16: Okay, all right, yes, in that case it is you're right, okay,

2103
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 16: in that case it is a.

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01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 3: You should say with other countries of other countries. Also,

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01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 3: do you think that when I mean we can say

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01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 3: other overseas countries? But if they are in Europe, what

2107
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 3: do they call other countries? Do they go overseas countries

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01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:41,799
Speaker 3: or do they just go other countries?

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Speaker 16: Do they even have a word for overseas?

2110
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,959
Speaker 3: And like this is there a world outside?

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01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 16: Is there an overseas I've genuinely never thought about that before?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 3: Or Africa?

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Speaker 16: For example, shine On You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd

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Speaker 16: to finish the show tonight.

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Speaker 3: This is a sad one.

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Speaker 16: Unfortunately, Ronnie Rondell Junior has died. If you're wondering who

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01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 16: that is. This song shine on Your Crazy Diamond was

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01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 16: off the Pink Floyd album Wish You Were Here, and

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01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 16: that one famously has two guys on the front. They're

2121
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,600
Speaker 16: shaking hands and business suits and one of them is

2122
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 16: on fire. Bonnie Rondel Jr. Is the stuntman who was

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01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 16: the guy who was on fire. He did it because

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01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 16: he was a stuntman, so they had like a fire

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01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 16: suit on, so he was genuinely set on fire but

2126
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 16: had the suit protecting him from all the fire and stuff,

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01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 16: but still burned off his part of his eyebrow and

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Speaker 16: his mustarch.

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Speaker 4: So absolutely, and he was in a lot of movies

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Speaker 4: as well.

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01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 16: Leitha Weapon how the West was one the matrix James Bond.

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01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 16: So I had a long career as well.

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Speaker 3: Nowadays you just ai that up. A life was hard

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01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 3: on the seventies clearly, but we've just done him out

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Speaker 3: of John.

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Speaker 16: Oh yeah, I mean you can do it in about

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Speaker 16: five seconds now.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Ants. See these are the things

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01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 3: that bothers ants, things like tautologies. Anyway, this is the

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Speaker 3: wonder of our team. We have these, we have ants.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy evening. See tomorrow News took ZB.

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