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Speaker 2: Hello, are you great New Zealanders And welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one eighty six. Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, gee, we're just fourteen episodes away from our

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Speaker 2: two hundredth show, Tyler Hole leap boy, oh boy shows. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you think you'd be getting better.

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Speaker 2: I felt a little bit like that today. You have

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Speaker 2: that was a rambunctious as you would expect, a rambunctious

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Speaker 2: chat about Trump and his treatment by New Zealand media.

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Speaker 2: Rambunctious from both sides.

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Speaker 3: It's a great word. Rambunctious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. You know, the two sides could not

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Speaker 2: be further apart. There's no one coming down the middle.

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Speaker 2: Nothing that one. Yeah, and then building consents yea ye,

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Speaker 3: Another great show download, subscribe and give us a review

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Speaker 3: Enjoy it and we'll see it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matty's and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk

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Speaker 1: said the.

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Speaker 3: Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday show.

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Speaker 3: Hope you're having a good day where Evey you're listening,

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Speaker 3: Get a met.

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Speaker 2: Get a Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Good everyone, massive show for you today, as we always

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Speaker 3: have after three o'clock. This is going to be interesting.

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Speaker 3: Kids are chores? That was part of the chat on

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Speaker 3: the Gills Interrupted podcast. What chores should kids be doing?

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Speaker 3: And what did you do as a kid and did

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Speaker 3: you get paid for them?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Thee ies have to do a lot of tours, I

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Speaker 2: tell you. Yeah, fencing around the farm, you know, dealing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mowing the lawns, all kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: And did you get paid for it.

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Speaker 2: The only reason why I really love cricket and playing

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, love cricket. But one of the

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Speaker 3: Love cricket, love it. So there was a benefit there.

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Speaker 3: You've got a passion for cricket while painting the roof.

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Speaker 3: But that is going to be a fascinating jet after

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Speaker 3: after two o'clock. The Coalition is scrapping the building consens

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Speaker 3: Building and Construction Minister Chris Bink he made the announcement

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we are going to chat to the Building Federation,

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Speaker 3: about media coverage when it comes to Donald Trump. So

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Speaker 3: The President of the US, Donald Trump, has been organizing

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because yesterday after Trump's meeting with Putin,

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Speaker 2: That's what we heard yesterday that that was the reaction

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of people would feel the same.

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Speaker 3: Wine brings truth, as I say, so, nothing like a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I listened to I was watching a Herald

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Speaker 5: I think actually Trump and fairness to him, because I

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Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be a warmonger. He hates death and

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Speaker 2: Let's have some hope on this. And that seems to

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Speaker 2: people that don't like Trump, that he Bill Meyer, for example,

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Speaker 2: the long time you know, signed up a Democrat political

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Speaker 2: no at all, and no one has been more critical

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Speaker 2: But would you would you give him that much? Would

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Speaker 3: Really? Can you hear from you on this one? How

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Speaker 3: Is it being neutral? And do you think he will

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Speaker 2: This text just came through. Hey guys, Trump is a

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Speaker 3: That is one side of the equation.

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Speaker 2: Even if Trump does broke a piece deal between Russia

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Speaker 2: of other inexcusable things he has done, including breaking the law.

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Speaker 2: He will always be a narcissistic, bankrupt, lying predator. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: what's not bankrupt?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 3: He's getting richer and richard exactly. Oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. This is going

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Speaker 3: to be an interesting hour. The phones are already let up.

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Speaker 3: If you can't get through, keep trying. It is twelve

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the trends and everything

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Speaker 7: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Is the New Zealand media

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Speaker 3: coverage of Donald Trump. Fear or unfair. The text machine

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Speaker 3: has absolutely exploded, as as the phone lines. Oh eight

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Speaker 7: This.

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Speaker 2: Texasays, Trump's a nod but I think he's doing a

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Speaker 2: good job. If you're not a left harded wokester in

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Speaker 2: comparison to any other president of late, don't forget there's

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Speaker 2: a full born. Every day in New Zealand is full

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Speaker 2: of them. Believe everything the left skewed media tell you.

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Speaker 2: There you go, okay, which is why I haven't watched

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Speaker 2: mainstream media since COVID nineteen. This trick says this. Texas says,

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Speaker 2: how much are the fascists paying you to shill for Trump?

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Speaker 2: He is scum and you guys are complicit even asking

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Speaker 2: if the media is fear on him? Why ask?

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Speaker 3: It's always with a fascist, isn't it. Who are these fascists?

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Speaker 8: Ah?

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Speaker 2: Leave it, yeah, leave it? Oh eight hundred, Well we

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Speaker 2: Zealand media fear on Trump? And look, let's be clear,

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Speaker 3: No, there's not a collective conspiracy. There's not a chairman

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Speaker 2: I know Tyler and the media. And that's about it.

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Speaker 2: But I can't say right now that the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: Christian certainly not oh one hundred ten eighty number to

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Speaker 3: call Dallas, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi, guys, I don't about you that I have

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Speaker 4: a fantasy that Trump should have arrested Poosa on the

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Speaker 4: Red carpet and flowing them straight to the Hague.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't there be something he didn't he did, didn't he

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Speaker 3: flew a stealth bomber over his head on the red carpet?

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Speaker 2: That was quite a that's got a full on move.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's a chance list.

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Speaker 2: That would that would be big news. That would be

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Speaker 2: big news. Just suddenly puts the handcuffs on pute.

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Speaker 3: We got we got guys, go back on.

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Speaker 4: The air Force one stay to the Hague. Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: but I think Trump hasn't got any runs on the board.

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Speaker 4: Come on, let's be honest. You know, he's promised, he

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Speaker 4: hasn't done anything, and he hasn't achieved anything. So if

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Speaker 4: he does, I'll be the first to say.

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Speaker 6: Good on you. Nobel prize, how many do you want?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 4: But tell he achieved anything. And it's interesting that even

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Speaker 4: while he's talking to these guys and the White House

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Speaker 4: from Europe and Vilenski Peter is bombing the hell out

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Speaker 4: of Ukraine. It's just like giving the middle finger the Trump.

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Speaker 4: Don't you see it that way?

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Speaker 2: So, Dallas, do you mean that Trump hasn't achieved anything

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Ukraine or he hasn't achieved anything

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Speaker 2: at all in his you know, current presidency.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're talking about peace, We're talking about peace in Israel, Gaza, nothing.

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Speaker 4: And you said he's worried about people dying or how

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Speaker 4: about SI two thousand and Garthert you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but in terms of the coverage, because in my eyes, Dallas,

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Speaker 3: the very fact that he's broken these meetings and he's

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Speaker 3: got as far as he had and I think, no doubt,

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Speaker 4: Yes, talking is Winston says, jaws better than war, right,

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Speaker 4: but it has to be backed up by sanctions. I mean,

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Speaker 4: You know Trump, I mean, Trump is really hard to read,

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Speaker 4: Of all, but that as it stands, he's got no runs,

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for your callallis yeah, good

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Speaker 3: Cheers Mike, Yeah, there's a lot of truth to that.

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Speaker 3: Z B, very good afternoon to you. Twenty four pass

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Speaker 3: one is the coverage that Donald Trump gets in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: The sext says that woman is right, you are fascist.

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Speaker 2: This is a BS conversation. Stop it say you're sexist

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Speaker 2: stop having a conversation. It's very interesting. Hey, guys, Trump's

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Speaker 2: That's from Benny. Trump needs peace as Jim. China owns

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Speaker 2: I'll need to see I'll need to see the tax

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Speaker 3: Okay, teach coming through on nine two nine two, Mary,

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Speaker 13: My take, well, the original question, you know, the media.

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Speaker 13: and I remember Trump talking about World War three and

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Speaker 13: I also feel that some of our news does come

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Speaker 13: The other things I agree with about Trunk is he's

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Speaker 13: He's actually against abortion. So he cares for all life,

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Speaker 13: I do see him as human. It's very easy still

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Mary. Am

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Speaker 3: Sorry, it's an unfortunate last name. Hell of a guy, though, I.

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Speaker 10: Hi there, how are you.

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Speaker 3: Now? Are you living in the US at the moment? Vanessa?

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Speaker 7: And I'm just over here visiting family. Arrived on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Well, great to chat with you. So tell us about

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Speaker 7: Well, I definitely the media is shocking over in the US.

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Speaker 7: It's pretty biased. And I'm talking about probably folks as

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Speaker 7: they tend to do, like myself, my own research or

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Speaker 7: watch something that's live. So you actually getting and watch

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Speaker 7: she sat there and watched the full two hours. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting you say that because a lot of

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Speaker 7: I did not listen to that, But you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 7: In fact, a lot of the younger generation over there

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Speaker 3: Do you think we've lost that ability Vanessa, that if

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Speaker 3: you're stridently pro or anti Trump, many people have lost

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Speaker 3: that ability. He'd actually sit down and hear why, for

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Speaker 3: lack of a better word, that the enemy feels and

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Speaker 3: thinks about a situation that they can jump into that

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Speaker 3: sort of media to see what the other side is saying,

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Speaker 3: and perhaps you know that's where you can find some

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Speaker 3: middle ground sometimes.

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Speaker 7: That's right. Well, I totally agree with that. I think

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Speaker 7: people just hold on to this supposed hate, which a

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Speaker 7: lot of it's been created around a man that they

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Speaker 7: didn't want to see get into power. So I think

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Speaker 7: I think you're exactly right there, and you just have

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Speaker 7: to be been a key way where we over here.

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Speaker 7: I think vote on what a politician or a party

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Speaker 7: can do for their country. When I went to America,

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Speaker 7: I mean I couldn't vote at the point when Obama

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Speaker 7: was our first was on the scene that I would

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Speaker 7: have voted for him. But this then I was there

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Speaker 7: came a dual citizens and this time and the time

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Speaker 7: before I did vote for Trump just simply purely because

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Speaker 7: of what he said he could do.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, what do you say to people

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Speaker 2: that say convicted fallon. They bring up sexual misconduct, allegations,

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Speaker 2: fraud and business misconduct. There's like the incitement and insurrection accusations.

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Speaker 2: Some people say he's racist, he has devisive rhetoric, aggressive

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Speaker 2: immigration policies. Some people say, you know all those things.

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Speaker 7: I could be on hill afternoon after giving, But what

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Speaker 7: was the first one you said was about? What was

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Speaker 7: the first thing you brought up with? I could just

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Speaker 7: I could counteract everything.

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Speaker 2: Because do you think that's part of the situation we're

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Speaker 2: in right now? Everything is thrown out there, not necessarily evidence,

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Speaker 2: and then if you go further, you'll find something, and

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Speaker 2: you go further, you find something out and then what

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Speaker 2: happens was you just spending so much of your brain

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Speaker 2: power trying to cut through to find any kind of truth,

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Speaker 2: if there's any truth there.

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Speaker 7: I mean, well, well, what I was going to tell

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Speaker 7: you with regards to what they keep saying is a

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Speaker 7: convicted felon, you have to look at where he was

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Speaker 7: taken to court and convicted, and that was in New York,

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Speaker 7: And you have to then look at the case as

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Speaker 7: to what they were bringing against them. Now everyone seems

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Speaker 7: to assume it's about voting and board or whatever. That's

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Speaker 7: not the case. It's that they will after him, saying

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Speaker 7: that he overinflated the value of his propertence in order

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Speaker 7: to lend against it. And if you actually look into

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Speaker 7: the real figures of that that the pepper that they

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Speaker 7: say he overinflated of Narrago property, there's no way you

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Speaker 7: could buy that property for what they're saying. So he actually,

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Speaker 7: in my opinion coming from a legal background, if you

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Speaker 7: look at the fact, is actually wrong done by there

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Speaker 7: because the woman there was she ran on the fact

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Speaker 7: that she would go after Trump and put them behind

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Speaker 7: that where.

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Speaker 2: You go, thank you, Vanessa. Yeah, I mean finding the

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Speaker 2: truth is difficult. You'd basically have to give up your

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Speaker 2: job and just study full time, and then you can

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Speaker 2: go down so many rabbit holes you'd go completely mental.

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Speaker 2: Trump is Twitter personified. People want to be entertained in

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Speaker 2: this era, and Trump gives both entertainment and statements much

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Speaker 2: like social media. Maybe Trump says more about the people

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Speaker 2: today than anything else.

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Speaker 3: That is deep. Oh one hundred eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. We've got the headlines with Wendy coming up.

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Speaker 3: Then we want to get your view. Is the new

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Speaker 3: Zealand media fear or unfear on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 15: You's talk, said the headlines with blue bubble taxi. It's

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Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. Ukraine's president says ensuring

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Speaker 15: safety in Ukraine post war is crucial. After a meeting

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Speaker 15: at the White House with European leaders in Donald Trump

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Speaker 15: and plans next for a Russia Ukraine meeting, an Auckland

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Speaker 15: prison and mate is in hospital with critical wounds after

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Speaker 15: an assault. The alleged perpetrators were immediately secured, with three

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Speaker 15: prisoners now segregated. Public Service Minister Judith Collins is accusing teachers'

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Speaker 15: unions of throwing tantrums while confirming she wrongly claimed high

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Speaker 15: school staff with ten years experience or earned one hundred

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Speaker 15: and forty seven thousand dollars. The murder conviction of christ

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Speaker 15: Church man Lonretti almost thirty years ago is going back

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Speaker 15: before the Court of Appeal. New Zealand's population has reached

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Speaker 15: a record high more than five point three million people,

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Speaker 15: just over half. Female fertility has risen from a one

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Speaker 15: point five to five berths per woman to one point

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Speaker 15: five seven, but infant mortality has also risen to five

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Speaker 15: point one four per one thousand live births, plus the

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Speaker 15: three regions where numbers of serious youth offenders remain stubbornly high.

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Speaker 2: Read more at ends at Herald Premium.

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Speaker 15: Now I'm back to Matton Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, And we've asked the question

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Speaker 3: as New Zealand media fear or unfear on its coverage

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Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. IY waighte hundred and eighteen eighty number to.

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Speaker 2: Call Trumps an idiot, But personally I think he's doing

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Speaker 2: more for peace than Biden ever did. But he's still

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Speaker 2: an idiot, So I can live with that because I

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Speaker 2: am as well.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully summed up. Aren't we all?

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Speaker 2: Very balanced? Text there? Thank you, muz Sam just stand sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 2: stan Stan, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Then, how are you going?

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Speaker 2: Very good?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 12: New Zealand gets it's a lot of its media from overseas,

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Speaker 12: sources from AP, from CNN, et cetera, et cetera, and

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Speaker 12: there's a definite bias against Trump. There was a definite

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Speaker 12: bias from the time he announced that he was going

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Speaker 12: to run two thousand and fifteen was and that when

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Speaker 12: he came down the at Trump Towns and from that

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Speaker 12: point on they were gunning. Certain elements in American the

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Speaker 12: elite and American political and business were gunning to take

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Speaker 12: him down. We had the whole Russia collusion class, which

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Speaker 12: has been totally debunked. I mean, Trump coined the phrase

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Speaker 12: for fake news and law fare, and quite honestly, they've

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Speaker 12: both been used against him. He's been maligned, lied about.

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Speaker 12: I'm not saying he's the most He's not a saint

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Speaker 12: for sure, But what really gets me is the amount

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Speaker 12: of falsehoods, an absolute misinformation and disinformation that has put

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Speaker 12: out about him through the media, and people just lap

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Speaker 12: it up did ritual that some people have on such

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Speaker 12: an emotive level. It's almost like rational thinking has gone out.

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Speaker 12: People don't analyze him and what he is doing in

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Speaker 12: government on a rational level, just you know, pure emotion,

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Speaker 12: and it's almost hate takes over. And I mean I

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Speaker 12: see it on social media. You know, whenever Trump comes up,

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Speaker 12: it's people change. They they you know, they transform into

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Speaker 12: into a real a supper of tds.

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Speaker 3: We've all seen that stand. So who do you go

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Speaker 3: for two for information? You mentioned AP and CNN, and

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Speaker 3: I think it's fair to argue on the other side

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Speaker 3: of the coin that that Fox would have its own

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Speaker 3: way of angling a story. So who do you actually

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Speaker 3: go to for for the most unbiased information.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think someone when you previous quarters took that

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Speaker 12: going to the source. I mean, like if you talk

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Speaker 12: about the law fear that that trumping through, you know,

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Speaker 12: first of his rape case. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 12: at from all different sources in the American papers, in

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Speaker 12: American news sources, and you read the details of that case.

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Speaker 12: I mean, how in New York, how they changed the

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Speaker 12: law in New York solely for the purpose of trying

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Speaker 12: to take down Trump. I mean, it's the craziness of

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Speaker 12: the attempts to put a ball and chain around his

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Speaker 12: leg and prevent him from from running the first time,

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Speaker 12: from running the second time, to the point where there

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Speaker 12: were two assassinations attempts on his life that we know of.

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Speaker 12: It's just it's absolutely crazy. The element that hate him

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Speaker 12: do so from a totally unhinged place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you would have to say stand. I

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Speaker 2: mean in that one, because it's coming through and the

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Speaker 2: text message a lot. You know, we're talking about that

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three case. He was the jury found abuse.

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Speaker 2: That's what they found. So people that are saying that

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Speaker 2: they found rapers. They're moving it up up from what

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Speaker 2: they actually actually found out. But you know, you talk

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Speaker 2: about the sort of Russia collusion thing, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Director of National Intelligence Tolsi Gabbett has released those accusations

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Speaker 2: that President Obama and his national security team were orchestrating

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Speaker 2: a conspiracy. You know, that comes out and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: get a lot of coverage. But did you think it

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Speaker 2: was did you think it was also quite convenient that

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Speaker 2: that was when things were blowing up about the Epstein list,

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Speaker 2: that suddenly this big accusation came out, or do you

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Speaker 2: think that that was a coincidence that that Tulsi was

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Speaker 2: getting this together and they just sort of came out

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Speaker 2: about the same time.

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Speaker 12: Well, it couldn't have come out much sooner, because I mean, look,

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Speaker 12: the previous by the FBI, we're hiding all sorts of

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Speaker 12: documents away from the new administration, and the accusation is

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Speaker 12: that documents have been screwed as well. I don't think

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Speaker 12: it was it came out as some form of distraction,

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Speaker 12: because what if it was, it hasn't really worked because

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Speaker 12: people still want for release of EPSTEM documents. But I

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Speaker 12: mean that story has been way under reported. I meant

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Speaker 12: it accounts to treason. If you look what Clapper, Brandon, Comey,

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Speaker 12: Sally Yates, and Obama himself and Hillary Clinton, what they

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Speaker 12: all schemes and what they tried to do announced to treason. Now,

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Speaker 12: when this first broke, I was listening to our New

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Speaker 12: Zealand media and there was a whisper of it, and

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Speaker 12: it's still hardly been a whisper of it. And yet

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Speaker 12: I mean, this is it is huge news if this

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Speaker 12: has proven to be true, and all the evidence that's

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Speaker 12: coming out is just seems to be building and is

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Speaker 12: confirming that, yes, they actually conspired and planted false evidence.

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Speaker 12: I mean, the whole Russia collusion thing, which is part

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Speaker 12: of that conspiracy to take them down, has been proven

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Speaker 12: and totally debunked. And yet the people who I mean

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Speaker 12: it was done with Obama's knowledge, Hillary Clinton fundered that

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Speaker 12: the still Dossian which was which was what the FBI used.

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Speaker 12: Now you had FBI agents or person howse said this

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Speaker 12: information is unreliable, and yet Cony overwruled them, senior FBI

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Speaker 12: overwhelmed them, and they still pushed it out there. So

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Speaker 12: you know, the lies that have been told about Trump.

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Speaker 12: It just astounds me, and how the media turn a

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Speaker 12: blind eye to the truth when it's when it comes

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Speaker 12: out and accentuate the lies and the falses that told

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Speaker 12: told about the man and I as a person who

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Speaker 12: I like to see truth in facts, it just really

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Speaker 12: grinds me.

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Speaker 2: And I was, I think you stand, We've just got

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Speaker 2: to go to the air break. But I think we

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Speaker 2: got your point there. I mean, will be really awkward

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Speaker 2: if what Tulcy Gabbitt has accusing here comes to pass,

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Speaker 2: because people did spend a lot of time talking about

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Speaker 2: a Russian collision.

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Speaker 3: They did avoided people months and.

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Speaker 2: A lot of talking heads on a bunch of cable

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Speaker 2: networks and a whole a lot of colomnaches. That's it

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Speaker 2: was murky edit much to Marsenbach.

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Speaker 3: It is fourteen to two oh eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call back in a moment.

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Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons news.

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Speaker 3: Talks, they'd be for a good afternoon to you. We

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Speaker 3: are talking about the media coverage in New Zealand of

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. This is a good text isn't the way

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Speaker 3: Trump is perceived because of his politics from the get

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Speaker 3: go was about character assassination from his opponents. Unfortunately, that

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Speaker 3: trend is only grown after he lost. The spillover cost

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Speaker 3: of that type of politics has been enormous to the

656
00:35:01,973 --> 00:35:04,373
Speaker 3: world where politics has become so divisive.

657
00:35:04,573 --> 00:35:06,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you dished out, you've got to take it

658
00:35:06,093 --> 00:35:07,813
Speaker 2: the six that says, I don't care if the guy

659
00:35:07,853 --> 00:35:10,293
Speaker 2: that got the woman's sex wrong or not. This was

660
00:35:10,333 --> 00:35:12,253
Speaker 2: before that someone said the text and said it was

661
00:35:12,293 --> 00:35:14,973
Speaker 2: more a woman, but it wasn't. I don't know if

662
00:35:15,013 --> 00:35:16,933
Speaker 2: it was or not. He was right, You were shilling

663
00:35:17,053 --> 00:35:20,172
Speaker 2: for that piece of shit Trump. Why would you ask

664
00:35:20,213 --> 00:35:23,293
Speaker 2: about media bias? Leave it alone, Jesus Christ. He has scum.

665
00:35:23,573 --> 00:35:26,973
Speaker 2: The media points that he is scum. Where is the bias?

666
00:35:27,093 --> 00:35:29,493
Speaker 2: Even if he broke a peace dealer will only be

667
00:35:29,613 --> 00:35:31,733
Speaker 2: for him and his scummy goals.

668
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Speaker 3: Well, okay, thank you very much for that text. I

669
00:35:35,413 --> 00:35:38,413
Speaker 3: think we've got Paul on the line. Get a Paul,

670
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Speaker 3: how are you?

671
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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Okay, guys, that last text explained so much how somebody

673
00:35:44,173 --> 00:35:49,133
Speaker 17: has such hatred for somebody. It's definitely media generated. I mean,

674
00:35:49,173 --> 00:35:52,893
Speaker 17: Trump's taken less drugs than JFK. He's less obnoxious than

675
00:35:52,973 --> 00:35:57,373
Speaker 17: Lyndon Johnson. He's cheating on his wife, less than Clinton,

676
00:35:57,693 --> 00:36:00,813
Speaker 17: he started less worse than Bush. And I mean Obama

677
00:36:01,453 --> 00:36:03,533
Speaker 17: drone so many people in Afghanistan.

678
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Speaker 18: It's not funny. Where's the perspective?

679
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think it's the amount of text for

680
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Speaker 2: getting why are you even asking the question? Because it

681
00:36:12,773 --> 00:36:16,733
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like a very it's not a very controversial

682
00:36:16,853 --> 00:36:19,493
Speaker 2: question to ask. And you know, someone Bridges said it

683
00:36:19,573 --> 00:36:22,533
Speaker 2: yesterday on here Now, and so all we've done is

684
00:36:22,533 --> 00:36:25,573
Speaker 2: ask the question. You know, is New Zealand media fear

685
00:36:25,613 --> 00:36:28,333
Speaker 2: on Trump? It just seems crazy that so many people say,

686
00:36:28,373 --> 00:36:29,413
Speaker 2: don't even ask that question.

687
00:36:30,493 --> 00:36:31,732
Speaker 19: No, it's mad.

688
00:36:32,053 --> 00:36:34,493
Speaker 18: He's not our leader, and yet he's on the news

689
00:36:34,653 --> 00:36:37,333
Speaker 18: every night. It's I mean, I might be a bit

690
00:36:37,373 --> 00:36:38,413
Speaker 18: of a political.

691
00:36:38,013 --> 00:36:40,973
Speaker 17: Tragic, but he shouldn't be dominating our media as he is.

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Speaker 2: I wonder how much that affects our productivity, Paul. The

693
00:36:43,973 --> 00:36:47,573
Speaker 2: amount of time that people are spending thinking about Trump,

694
00:36:47,573 --> 00:36:50,973
Speaker 2: whether for him or against him or whatever. How much

695
00:36:51,013 --> 00:36:54,373
Speaker 2: time that we could be spending focusing on our businesses,

696
00:36:55,133 --> 00:36:58,732
Speaker 2: focusing on our families, focusing on getting this country again,

697
00:36:58,733 --> 00:37:01,533
Speaker 2: and we're all just the news is leading with Trump.

698
00:37:01,853 --> 00:37:04,053
Speaker 2: Trump gets considered on this text machine no matter what

699
00:37:04,053 --> 00:37:06,133
Speaker 2: we're talking about. I was going to make the Heath rule.

700
00:37:06,173 --> 00:37:08,133
Speaker 2: If someone says Trump into something that we're talking about,

701
00:37:08,173 --> 00:37:11,373
Speaker 2: that there's nothing to do with Trump. We we move on.

702
00:37:12,173 --> 00:37:15,493
Speaker 2: But everything we talk about Trump comes through. He's He's

703
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:17,413
Speaker 2: so in everyone's head, Paul.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, he is, and he's an out He's an outsider

705
00:37:21,893 --> 00:37:24,533
Speaker 17: to the system, which I think is why our politicians

706
00:37:24,533 --> 00:37:27,053
Speaker 17: like Eden Bridges, you know, apologizing for giving the guy

707
00:37:27,173 --> 00:37:31,493
Speaker 17: faint praise. He's he's like an outlaw and you're not

708
00:37:31,493 --> 00:37:34,613
Speaker 17: supposed to like him. We're all supposed to be against him.

709
00:37:34,653 --> 00:37:36,573
Speaker 18: But I think he's shaking up the system and I

710
00:37:36,573 --> 00:37:37,453
Speaker 18: think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Paul,

712
00:37:39,453 --> 00:37:40,013
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your call. It is eight

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Speaker 3: minutes to two. Back very shortly here on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 1: Madd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: News DOGSB, News Talks EDB. It is six minutes to two.

718
00:38:01,213 --> 00:38:06,053
Speaker 3: So many texts have come flooding in on this conversation. Guys,

719
00:38:06,053 --> 00:38:07,253
Speaker 3: Trump deserves a medal.

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Speaker 2: Question.

721
00:38:08,413 --> 00:38:11,013
Speaker 3: He's only doing what everyone's thinking. Don't listen to the

722
00:38:11,133 --> 00:38:13,333
Speaker 3: propaganda that's from Madea.

723
00:38:13,493 --> 00:38:16,373
Speaker 2: The Sex says we were a couple of centimeters away

724
00:38:16,493 --> 00:38:20,573
Speaker 2: from freedom. Oooh okay. This six says I hate Trump,

725
00:38:20,693 --> 00:38:23,973
Speaker 2: but you should absolutely ask if there is a bias.

726
00:38:24,533 --> 00:38:27,173
Speaker 2: I think there is a bias. Even though I hate Trump,

727
00:38:27,453 --> 00:38:29,813
Speaker 2: I enjoy hearing the negative coverage, but I don't think

728
00:38:29,853 --> 00:38:30,493
Speaker 2: that's a good thing.

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00:38:31,733 --> 00:38:35,373
Speaker 3: And this one, guys, I don't rely on mainstream media.

730
00:38:35,493 --> 00:38:37,693
Speaker 3: You can go on TikTok and watch live videos of

731
00:38:37,693 --> 00:38:40,453
Speaker 3: people protesting, people who voted for him but now regret it.

732
00:38:40,533 --> 00:38:44,493
Speaker 3: People dismiss TikTok, but it's people showing what's happening in

733
00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:46,293
Speaker 3: real time. Personally, I just like.

734
00:38:46,253 --> 00:38:48,573
Speaker 2: Them fake news. Why to Trump believers think Trump news

735
00:38:48,613 --> 00:38:51,893
Speaker 2: outlet's aren't fake news as well? He only cares about himself.

736
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Speaker 3: And this one afternoon, guys, your previous caller was right

737
00:38:57,053 --> 00:39:01,613
Speaker 3: on the money. Media biased is rife within New Zealand,

738
00:39:02,213 --> 00:39:04,973
Speaker 3: and they have a massive Trump arrangement syndrome that needs

739
00:39:05,013 --> 00:39:07,333
Speaker 3: to change. And it's part of the lack of trust

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00:39:07,333 --> 00:39:08,253
Speaker 3: and media these days.

741
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Speaker 2: Okay, what don't I tell you what? This text machine nearly.

742
00:39:14,093 --> 00:39:17,453
Speaker 3: Exploded started smoking there at one point we had to

743
00:39:17,453 --> 00:39:19,453
Speaker 3: get some anti call in in there bit far out.

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00:39:19,733 --> 00:39:22,933
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so the thing is people are living in

745
00:39:22,933 --> 00:39:26,652
Speaker 2: different realities, completely different realities. The certainly it goes one

746
00:39:26,693 --> 00:39:29,573
Speaker 2: text saying something completely one way, yeah, flick it around

747
00:39:29,733 --> 00:39:34,973
Speaker 2: and completely the other way. Absolutely have absolute courage and

748
00:39:35,013 --> 00:39:37,653
Speaker 2: their convictions, no doubt that they're right. But the complete

749
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Speaker 2: one eighty on it is right after it one hundred cential.

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Speaker 3: There right nicely said thank you to everybody who phoned

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Speaker 3: and text on that. We got thousands and thousands of

752
00:39:46,813 --> 00:39:48,812
Speaker 3: text on that, so thank you very much. But coming

753
00:39:48,893 --> 00:39:50,732
Speaker 3: up after two o'clock, we want to have a chat

754
00:39:50,773 --> 00:39:53,533
Speaker 3: about building consent. So the coalition government is scrapping the

755
00:39:53,573 --> 00:39:57,053
Speaker 3: building consense regime. The Minister in charge, Chris Pink says

756
00:39:57,173 --> 00:40:00,133
Speaker 3: it's sluggish and holding the building sector back. So what

757
00:40:00,133 --> 00:40:02,053
Speaker 3: do you say, is this a better way to do it?

758
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Speaker 3: Are you worried about liability as a homeowner if you're

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Speaker 3: in the building construction industry.

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Speaker 2: And how does Trump influence this hard to win through

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Speaker 2: Trump into this discussion.

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Speaker 3: Matt he's law come on through nineteen NINETI it is

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Speaker 3: a text number, but oh eight hundred and eighty ten

764
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Speaker 3: eighty is the phone number? Really keen to hear from you?

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Speaker 3: And the Building Industry Federation head is coming up straight

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Speaker 3: after news which is.

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Speaker 1: Next talking with you all afternoon? It's Matt Heathen, Taylor

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons US talks.

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Speaker 3: It be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.

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Speaker 3: Seven pass too. So the government is scramping the building

771
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Speaker 3: consents regime to ease the liability load on local councils.

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Speaker 3: So Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says, right now,

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Speaker 3: councils are hesitant to sign off on building consents and

774
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Speaker 3: inspections because they could be held liable for all defects,

775
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Speaker 3: leaving ratepayers to foot the bill. He was on with

776
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Speaker 3: Mike Hoskin this morning. Here's a little bit of what

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Speaker 3: he said. That things need to be sped up.

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Speaker 20: I mean a number of people have talked about it

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Speaker 20: for many years. The Law Commission's written a couple of

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Speaker 20: very long and wear their reports. I'm not sure how

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00:41:07,973 --> 00:41:10,933
Speaker 20: many peple of reason, but things to me and no brainer,

782
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Speaker 20: including because they do it over the other side of

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Speaker 20: the casement are we just think your posts to get

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Speaker 20: on and do it.

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Speaker 3: So clearly there has been a lot of push to

786
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Speaker 3: speed things up on the consenting side of things. There

787
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Speaker 3: are sixty seven different consenting organizations within New Zealand, so

788
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Speaker 3: a lot of push for consolidation. But if you're in

789
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Speaker 3: this sector, how do you feel about this? This will

790
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Speaker 3: change some liability in what the council's face when they

791
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Speaker 3: issue these consents, but arguably we'll speed things up. So

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Speaker 3: if you're in the industry, love to hear from you

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Speaker 3: on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Yeah, also

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Speaker 3: if you've.

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Speaker 2: Got concerns about it as well. But is there anyone

796
00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:50,133
Speaker 2: out there that thinks that the system is working efficiently

797
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Speaker 2: now and that it is creating productive outcomes as things

798
00:41:54,533 --> 00:41:57,133
Speaker 2: are set up now? Yeah, because it just seems to

799
00:41:57,213 --> 00:42:01,613
Speaker 2: me it's almost a running joke. You know, someone says

800
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Speaker 2: they're going to do something and then the next thing

801
00:42:04,133 --> 00:42:07,053
Speaker 2: you know, they go, oh God, the consenting process. It's

802
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Speaker 2: almost enough to stop people even starting. Yeah, So that

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00:42:12,933 --> 00:42:16,013
Speaker 2: doesn't that's not it. That's that's not working, is it?

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00:42:16,133 --> 00:42:16,333
Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 2: Or is it?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: Really ten to get your thoughts on this. If you're

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Speaker 3: a builder, if you're in the industry, if you work

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Speaker 3: with the Council or formerly with the Council, really caen

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Speaker 3: to hear from you on the consenting process. Is this

812
00:42:27,093 --> 00:42:29,133
Speaker 3: kind of change things? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

813
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Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Coming up next, though,

814
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Speaker 3: we are going to catch up with the chief executive

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Speaker 3: for the Building Industry Federation, Julian Lees. He is a

816
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Speaker 3: man that knows a lot about this, so we've got

817
00:42:39,813 --> 00:42:41,692
Speaker 3: plenty of questions for him. If you've got a question

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Speaker 3: for Julian Lees about what this all means. Nineteen ninety

819
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Speaker 3: two is the text number. It is nine past.

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Speaker 1: Two your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 1: Afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk,

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Speaker 1: sai'd be.

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Speaker 3: It is eleven past two. So the building con Sense

824
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Speaker 3: regime is getting an overhaul. It's been called the most

825
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Speaker 3: significant change in a generation. To discuss further, we are

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Speaker 3: joined by Julian Leese. He's the chief executive of the

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Building Industry Federation and he's on the line now. Julian,

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon.

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Speaker 21: I'm matt Hi Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Now, Julian, explain this proposal to me like I am

831
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Speaker 2: an absolute idiot.

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Speaker 21: Well, look what it means is every time a builder

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Speaker 21: becomes insolvent and we've seen a lot of that, particularly

834
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Speaker 21: in hard times, and they're leaving the homeowner with an

835
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Speaker 21: incomplete building, there's now going to be not just a

836
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Speaker 21: council as the last man's standing, but potentially it'll be

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Speaker 21: a builder who's got some insurance. So ultimately it's going

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Speaker 21: to lead to faster it's the resolution of these sorts

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Speaker 21: of things. But also it's going to mean that our councils,

840
00:43:57,413 --> 00:44:01,133
Speaker 21: who are so risk averse will be much much more

841
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Speaker 21: open and less likely to say no to things, particularly

842
00:44:04,813 --> 00:44:06,973
Speaker 21: things like new building products, which we're saying to see

843
00:44:07,013 --> 00:44:09,893
Speaker 21: as well. So it is a big change. But of

844
00:44:09,933 --> 00:44:11,693
Speaker 21: course the devil's always in the detail.

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Speaker 2: So as the cautiousness of counsels. Is that because of

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00:44:17,933 --> 00:44:20,613
Speaker 2: the liability primarily because I just always put that down

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Speaker 2: to being officious.

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Speaker 21: Well yeah, look, possibly you say it's a bit of both,

849
00:44:25,733 --> 00:44:28,453
Speaker 21: but no, look it is they are risk averse because

850
00:44:29,413 --> 00:44:33,333
Speaker 21: if they get something wrong or you know, something doesn't

851
00:44:33,333 --> 00:44:35,413
Speaker 21: go the way it should. They are the ones that

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00:44:35,573 --> 00:44:37,133
Speaker 21: they get sue. The are the ones that have got

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00:44:37,133 --> 00:44:40,333
Speaker 21: the deep pockets. Now, of course, all that gets passed

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00:44:40,373 --> 00:44:43,692
Speaker 21: on to ratepayers us. So what we want to do

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Speaker 21: is do something I get similar to what is in

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Speaker 21: New South Wales and Victoria, where you know, you've got

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Speaker 21: you've got statutory warrantees, you've got mandatary insurance if you're

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Speaker 21: building anything over twenty k of value in the presidential space,

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00:44:59,773 --> 00:45:03,453
Speaker 21: and it's just a better system for allowing you know,

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00:45:03,813 --> 00:45:08,453
Speaker 21: homeowners some compensation and to get their buildings complete.

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00:45:09,133 --> 00:45:13,973
Speaker 2: So people are already screaming leaky homes, leaky homes. Is

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00:45:13,973 --> 00:45:17,172
Speaker 2: that kind of massive cock up likely under a system like.

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Speaker 21: This, none of it's done promptly because I mean, look

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00:45:21,293 --> 00:45:24,413
Speaker 21: leaky homes and we're still you know, seeing the tail

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Speaker 21: end of it. But that that was also about you know,

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Speaker 21: poor design. Uh, you know, it's about a whole bunch

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Speaker 21: of issues. I think I think this means we've got

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Speaker 21: to have criteria around eligibility. So in other words, you know,

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Speaker 21: we've got to have builders that have got the qualifications,

870
00:45:42,773 --> 00:45:47,973
Speaker 21: the experience and the financial standing, plus the insurance. So

871
00:45:48,013 --> 00:45:50,172
Speaker 21: we've we've got to have those things in place if

872
00:45:50,213 --> 00:45:52,853
Speaker 21: we If we do, then then it means that we've

873
00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:55,333
Speaker 21: got you know, the homeowner has got a recourse, you know,

874
00:45:55,413 --> 00:46:00,133
Speaker 21: they've got some guarantee that that thing things will get

875
00:46:00,173 --> 00:46:02,813
Speaker 21: done if if the bill fall falls over. So I

876
00:46:02,813 --> 00:46:05,853
Speaker 21: don't think we're I don't think we're there yet. But

877
00:46:05,893 --> 00:46:09,373
Speaker 21: there are other risks, the other risks that if we

878
00:46:09,453 --> 00:46:12,053
Speaker 21: move from that join several ability that we currently have

879
00:46:12,133 --> 00:46:15,652
Speaker 21: to proportion that it could be that we simply just

880
00:46:15,893 --> 00:46:19,213
Speaker 21: don't have enough builders who you know, meet the alibisy

881
00:46:19,533 --> 00:46:22,653
Speaker 21: criteria or have the financial backing be ensured.

882
00:46:22,893 --> 00:46:25,973
Speaker 2: Because that's what I was wondering. Kind of smaller business

883
00:46:26,013 --> 00:46:29,493
Speaker 2: like you know, just a small crew running a couple

884
00:46:29,533 --> 00:46:32,453
Speaker 2: of people, businessmen, or a solo builder. Will they be

885
00:46:32,493 --> 00:46:33,773
Speaker 2: able to cover the insurance levies?

886
00:46:36,933 --> 00:46:40,933
Speaker 21: Possibly not, because you know, most of our builders are

887
00:46:40,933 --> 00:46:46,693
Speaker 21: three to five you know crew, small companies. They operate

888
00:46:46,733 --> 00:46:51,253
Speaker 21: on very slim margins. They operate on quickly now in

889
00:46:51,333 --> 00:46:54,613
Speaker 21: these tough amount of times on you know, hand to

890
00:46:54,693 --> 00:46:59,252
Speaker 21: mouth basically so cash flows type too. You know, insurers

891
00:46:59,293 --> 00:47:01,853
Speaker 21: will will come to them and say, well, we won't

892
00:47:01,893 --> 00:47:03,573
Speaker 21: look at your books. We won't see what your cash

893
00:47:03,613 --> 00:47:07,973
Speaker 21: flows like. They don't ensure people if they think.

894
00:47:07,853 --> 00:47:08,893
Speaker 18: The risk is too great.

895
00:47:08,973 --> 00:47:12,252
Speaker 21: So that's the issue. And I guess this is also

896
00:47:12,253 --> 00:47:17,093
Speaker 21: why Australia has some state backing of their insurance schemes

897
00:47:17,813 --> 00:47:18,653
Speaker 21: all our sales.

898
00:47:19,093 --> 00:47:23,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, because our economy couldn't handle all those little operations

899
00:47:23,453 --> 00:47:25,453
Speaker 2: going out of business, could they could?

900
00:47:25,453 --> 00:47:27,013
Speaker 10: We No, and no, no.

901
00:47:27,253 --> 00:47:29,812
Speaker 21: Look and the other thing. No one's talked about this yet,

902
00:47:29,853 --> 00:47:34,053
Speaker 21: but New Zealand doesn't have any functioning building warranty insurance market.

903
00:47:34,573 --> 00:47:37,373
Speaker 21: You know. We had a I think it's called Stanford

904
00:47:37,373 --> 00:47:39,933
Speaker 21: Insurance back in tween nineteen that did do that, but

905
00:47:39,973 --> 00:47:43,813
Speaker 21: they taught out because there just wasn't simply the market

906
00:47:43,893 --> 00:47:46,853
Speaker 21: for it. So we need to get you know, we

907
00:47:46,893 --> 00:47:48,732
Speaker 21: need to realize that if this is going to work,

908
00:47:48,773 --> 00:47:52,213
Speaker 21: we need to get that building warranty insurance market up

909
00:47:52,213 --> 00:47:55,373
Speaker 21: and running again, and we need to have, you know,

910
00:47:55,413 --> 00:47:59,013
Speaker 21: something sufficient so builders can can get that level of cover.

911
00:47:59,133 --> 00:48:01,733
Speaker 21: As we're talking about, you know, not making counsels the

912
00:48:02,133 --> 00:48:03,093
Speaker 21: last man's standing.

913
00:48:04,213 --> 00:48:08,253
Speaker 2: So just speaking of warranties, you said before statutory warranties

914
00:48:08,453 --> 00:48:12,493
Speaker 2: are used in Australia. Does what's a statutory warranty.

915
00:48:13,373 --> 00:48:15,213
Speaker 21: So what that means is a New Zealand we have

916
00:48:15,493 --> 00:48:17,813
Speaker 21: the Building Acts in Australia Act. But I think you

917
00:48:17,893 --> 00:48:19,493
Speaker 21: so well. Else it's got the Home Building Act and

918
00:48:19,573 --> 00:48:23,013
Speaker 21: it's got the Domestic Building Act something like that. What

919
00:48:23,613 --> 00:48:25,652
Speaker 21: that means for our Building Act we would then have

920
00:48:25,693 --> 00:48:29,573
Speaker 21: an implied warranty builds into that Act. So that means

921
00:48:29,613 --> 00:48:32,652
Speaker 21: So what that means is any work undertaken by any

922
00:48:32,653 --> 00:48:36,013
Speaker 21: builder in New Zealand would have to would impliedly be

923
00:48:36,693 --> 00:48:39,493
Speaker 21: saying this work will be done to a certain standard

924
00:48:39,613 --> 00:48:45,373
Speaker 21: and using certain materials, and there's an implied warranty to

925
00:48:45,693 --> 00:48:50,133
Speaker 21: back that up. So you know, and again this is

926
00:48:50,173 --> 00:48:52,652
Speaker 21: what Australia's done. And again that's the last sort of

927
00:48:54,453 --> 00:48:58,333
Speaker 21: insurance backstop if you like, in case we've got home

928
00:48:58,333 --> 00:49:00,533
Speaker 21: owners that actually are dealing with the builder that doesn't

929
00:49:00,573 --> 00:49:02,013
Speaker 21: have insurance.

930
00:49:02,293 --> 00:49:05,933
Speaker 3: Great, We're chading to Building Industry Federation Chief Executive Julian

931
00:49:06,013 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 3: Lee's Julian the sixty seven build consent authorities. So you've

932
00:49:10,133 --> 00:49:13,973
Speaker 3: talked about the consolidation of those authorities, hopefully into one

933
00:49:14,253 --> 00:49:16,813
Speaker 3: unit to get some consistency. But what does that look like?

934
00:49:16,853 --> 00:49:20,213
Speaker 3: Does that mean that gets absorbed into central government or

935
00:49:20,293 --> 00:49:23,533
Speaker 3: how does that operate if it's just one authority dealing

936
00:49:23,533 --> 00:49:25,293
Speaker 3: with those sides of the consents.

937
00:49:26,653 --> 00:49:29,613
Speaker 21: Yeah, well, look at the moment, so you're quite right.

938
00:49:29,613 --> 00:49:34,652
Speaker 21: We've got sixty seven BCA's councils. Auckland Council for all

939
00:49:34,693 --> 00:49:36,893
Speaker 21: of New Zealand does about forty six percent of world

940
00:49:36,893 --> 00:49:39,973
Speaker 21: building consents. And we know which is no surprise because

941
00:49:39,973 --> 00:49:44,253
Speaker 21: we're the biggest city in the country and this is

942
00:49:44,293 --> 00:49:48,613
Speaker 21: where most of the building work happens. So it kind

943
00:49:48,613 --> 00:49:51,933
Speaker 21: of makes sense if there's some sort of consolidation where

944
00:49:52,413 --> 00:49:54,573
Speaker 21: some of those smaller councils that may only do a

945
00:49:54,613 --> 00:49:58,533
Speaker 21: few hundred or you know, a couple of consents, they

946
00:49:58,573 --> 00:50:02,053
Speaker 21: probably don't need to be doing that. It'll be much

947
00:50:02,053 --> 00:50:05,813
Speaker 21: more efficient if there's one organization, which could be a

948
00:50:05,893 --> 00:50:10,573
Speaker 21: new organization that's formed or simply open councilor designed to

949
00:50:10,613 --> 00:50:13,613
Speaker 21: take that on, or a private organization that's set up

950
00:50:13,653 --> 00:50:17,493
Speaker 21: to do all of that. And they already talking now

951
00:50:17,533 --> 00:50:20,413
Speaker 21: about I think I think, I think mister pank has

952
00:50:20,453 --> 00:50:24,413
Speaker 21: said the expectation is that councils should be doing eighty

953
00:50:24,453 --> 00:50:28,373
Speaker 21: percent of consents within three days, which is significantly faster

954
00:50:28,413 --> 00:50:30,333
Speaker 21: than the currents that have ten to twenty days.

955
00:50:31,173 --> 00:50:33,933
Speaker 2: So how much cheaper will building be under a setup

956
00:50:34,013 --> 00:50:34,173
Speaker 2: like this?

957
00:50:35,853 --> 00:50:40,373
Speaker 21: Potentially thousands of dollars will come off the cost of

958
00:50:40,413 --> 00:50:43,053
Speaker 21: a new build. And so that's a really good question

959
00:50:43,133 --> 00:50:46,413
Speaker 21: because the whole focus has been for these reforms and

960
00:50:46,453 --> 00:50:49,493
Speaker 21: by this government to make housing more affordable. You know,

961
00:50:49,573 --> 00:50:52,933
Speaker 21: Kiwis do pay a lot for their homes and more

962
00:50:52,973 --> 00:50:57,093
Speaker 21: than we do our cousins do over the ditch. So

963
00:50:57,493 --> 00:51:01,813
Speaker 21: you know, we we can knock thousands off through this

964
00:51:01,973 --> 00:51:05,573
Speaker 21: process and through speedier consenting and in addition to bringing

965
00:51:05,573 --> 00:51:07,693
Speaker 21: down the cost of building materials, and then we're on

966
00:51:07,733 --> 00:51:10,733
Speaker 21: our way to you getting better, more affordable housing.

967
00:51:11,853 --> 00:51:16,333
Speaker 2: What would a government insurance system worker would be for

968
00:51:16,373 --> 00:51:19,333
Speaker 2: the insurance to actually come into to the market, would

969
00:51:19,333 --> 00:51:22,453
Speaker 2: it need some kind of government back up?

970
00:51:24,213 --> 00:51:24,653
Speaker 6: Yeah?

971
00:51:24,893 --> 00:51:28,133
Speaker 21: Look, I think because we don't currently have that, as

972
00:51:28,133 --> 00:51:31,973
Speaker 21: I said earlier, that functioning building warranty insurance market, the

973
00:51:32,053 --> 00:51:34,652
Speaker 21: government probably is going to have to do something to

974
00:51:34,693 --> 00:51:40,293
Speaker 21: incentivize or to create a market initially where builders can

975
00:51:40,373 --> 00:51:45,013
Speaker 21: be covered and where homeowners have that sort of surety. Yeah,

976
00:51:45,453 --> 00:51:47,733
Speaker 21: And because you know, that's just the size of our market.

977
00:51:48,613 --> 00:51:50,853
Speaker 21: You know the fact that we're also just in a

978
00:51:51,093 --> 00:51:54,773
Speaker 21: tough economic time, you know, insurance are looking at nehaland

979
00:51:54,813 --> 00:51:57,893
Speaker 21: overall in general and going more. You know, do we

980
00:51:57,933 --> 00:52:01,413
Speaker 21: want to really be ensuring anything at the moment.

981
00:52:02,933 --> 00:52:06,293
Speaker 3: Certainly is yeah, Julian, thank you very much for having

982
00:52:06,293 --> 00:52:08,293
Speaker 3: a chat with us. Really interesting. So the last one,

983
00:52:08,613 --> 00:52:11,493
Speaker 3: so out of ten, what do you think about this policy?

984
00:52:11,533 --> 00:52:12,292
Speaker 3: How's it going to work?

985
00:52:14,013 --> 00:52:17,933
Speaker 21: Look, I would say in terms of the intent, it's

986
00:52:18,333 --> 00:52:20,933
Speaker 21: it's an eight, but it's always a case of waiting

987
00:52:20,933 --> 00:52:25,293
Speaker 21: and seeing. But I hope it's backed up by buy

988
00:52:25,373 --> 00:52:27,693
Speaker 21: some good thought around the insurance side of things.

989
00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:29,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, really good to chat with you. Thank you very

990
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:30,533
Speaker 3: much for your time.

991
00:52:31,253 --> 00:52:32,173
Speaker 21: Thanks Madam Tyler.

992
00:52:32,253 --> 00:52:34,493
Speaker 3: That is Julian Lee's chief executive for the New Zealand

993
00:52:34,533 --> 00:52:37,133
Speaker 3: Building Industry Federation. But can you get your views? Oh,

994
00:52:37,133 --> 00:52:39,413
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're currently building, how

995
00:52:39,413 --> 00:52:40,893
Speaker 3: do you feel about this? Is it going to make

996
00:52:40,893 --> 00:52:43,413
Speaker 3: it easier to get through that consenting process? And if

997
00:52:43,453 --> 00:52:45,212
Speaker 3: you're in the trade a lot of techs coming through

998
00:52:45,213 --> 00:52:47,212
Speaker 3: from builders, got to say a bit of worries out

999
00:52:47,213 --> 00:52:48,413
Speaker 3: there about how this is going to work.

1000
00:52:48,493 --> 00:52:50,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we'd also like to hear from someone who

1001
00:52:51,013 --> 00:52:57,253
Speaker 2: loves the current system and doesn't think it needs to change.

1002
00:52:58,373 --> 00:53:01,733
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred

1003
00:53:01,813 --> 00:53:03,692
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

1004
00:53:04,133 --> 00:53:06,893
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. It is tween ty four past two,

1005
00:53:06,933 --> 00:53:08,893
Speaker 3: So we're talking about the policy and now today by

1006
00:53:08,893 --> 00:53:11,533
Speaker 3: Building in Construction Minister Chris Pink, it will see an

1007
00:53:11,573 --> 00:53:15,133
Speaker 3: overhaul of the building consents regime. He says, right now,

1008
00:53:15,213 --> 00:53:18,013
Speaker 3: councils are hesitant to sign off on building consents and

1009
00:53:18,053 --> 00:53:21,213
Speaker 3: inspections because they could be held liable for all defects,

1010
00:53:21,293 --> 00:53:23,693
Speaker 3: leaving rappayers to foot the bill. So how do you

1011
00:53:23,693 --> 00:53:26,213
Speaker 3: feel about that if you're currently happy with the consenting

1012
00:53:26,253 --> 00:53:29,173
Speaker 3: system I eight hundred eighty ten eighty or do you

1013
00:53:29,213 --> 00:53:31,333
Speaker 3: think this is the right way forward? It will certainly

1014
00:53:31,333 --> 00:53:33,493
Speaker 3: speed things up, but are there some fish hooks? Really

1015
00:53:33,493 --> 00:53:35,413
Speaker 3: can never check with you? I eight hundred eighty ten eighties.

1016
00:53:35,413 --> 00:53:39,293
Speaker 2: So number to call, Ben, welcome to the show, Thank

1017
00:53:39,293 --> 00:53:40,293
Speaker 2: you today.

1018
00:53:40,413 --> 00:53:41,333
Speaker 3: What's your thoughts?

1019
00:53:42,293 --> 00:53:44,853
Speaker 22: Well, I worked for a built in insurance brokers who

1020
00:53:46,613 --> 00:53:48,933
Speaker 22: one of the things that we do is provide these

1021
00:53:49,213 --> 00:53:53,373
Speaker 22: warranties to the building industry, so sort of being really

1022
00:53:53,413 --> 00:53:56,732
Speaker 22: closely involved with it for decades now and been through

1023
00:53:57,213 --> 00:53:59,453
Speaker 22: I think probably three or four iterations of the government

1024
00:53:59,493 --> 00:54:04,333
Speaker 22: looking at this. I guess the thought I have is

1025
00:54:04,893 --> 00:54:09,213
Speaker 22: that they're saying this is going to save money. You know,

1026
00:54:09,253 --> 00:54:13,933
Speaker 22: it's going to reduce the time the process takes and

1027
00:54:13,973 --> 00:54:17,533
Speaker 22: save money. And I always remember having a meeting with

1028
00:54:18,253 --> 00:54:21,013
Speaker 22: Auckland Council many years ago when again when this process

1029
00:54:21,053 --> 00:54:23,772
Speaker 22: was being looked at by the government, and they said,

1030
00:54:23,853 --> 00:54:27,853
Speaker 22: even if we had a reduced liability of proportionate liability,

1031
00:54:28,133 --> 00:54:31,453
Speaker 22: we still have a like a duty to our rate

1032
00:54:31,493 --> 00:54:35,093
Speaker 22: payers to make sure that we conduct this process rigorously,

1033
00:54:35,533 --> 00:54:38,693
Speaker 22: so it wouldn't actually save them any any time or

1034
00:54:38,773 --> 00:54:41,053
Speaker 22: cost just because they're liabilities less. So I'm not sure

1035
00:54:41,053 --> 00:54:43,973
Speaker 22: that there's going to be a saving out of this process.

1036
00:54:44,573 --> 00:54:47,172
Speaker 22: And then and then you add a mandatory warranty, which

1037
00:54:47,173 --> 00:54:49,173
Speaker 22: I think is a good idea, but you're adding the

1038
00:54:49,173 --> 00:54:51,613
Speaker 22: cost of a mandatory warranty. I'm not sure you're saving

1039
00:54:51,653 --> 00:54:54,373
Speaker 22: that much in the consenting side of things. So I'm

1040
00:54:54,413 --> 00:54:56,773
Speaker 22: just not sure that you know, the kind of the

1041
00:54:56,853 --> 00:55:00,373
Speaker 22: saving the government is talking about is really going to eventuate.

1042
00:55:01,213 --> 00:55:04,413
Speaker 2: Do you think the system works Okay? Now, because as

1043
00:55:04,453 --> 00:55:06,732
Speaker 2: I was saying before, I've never talked to anyone that's

1044
00:55:06,773 --> 00:55:10,533
Speaker 2: looking at starting a project with out them starting to

1045
00:55:10,533 --> 00:55:13,053
Speaker 2: talk about how punishing the consents are going to be.

1046
00:55:14,413 --> 00:55:14,573
Speaker 7: Well.

1047
00:55:14,653 --> 00:55:16,493
Speaker 22: I was talking to one of our clients this morning

1048
00:55:16,493 --> 00:55:20,493
Speaker 22: who's had some applications and for longer than twelve months.

1049
00:55:21,173 --> 00:55:24,573
Speaker 22: It's just it certainly isn't working well. But I'm not

1050
00:55:24,613 --> 00:55:27,933
Speaker 22: sure that introducing private certifiers as one of the options

1051
00:55:28,053 --> 00:55:32,013
Speaker 22: is going to improve the outcomes overall for customers. I mean,

1052
00:55:32,013 --> 00:55:35,853
Speaker 22: it might speed the process up, but you know, what,

1053
00:55:35,893 --> 00:55:38,333
Speaker 22: are you letting through a system that's been sped up,

1054
00:55:38,453 --> 00:55:42,293
Speaker 22: as would be the concern. I mean, I think the

1055
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:47,533
Speaker 22: idea of merging the council BCA sort of authority or

1056
00:55:47,533 --> 00:55:50,933
Speaker 22: their processes into something where they can get some cost

1057
00:55:50,933 --> 00:55:54,613
Speaker 22: efficiencies and can some consistency make sense rather than these

1058
00:55:54,613 --> 00:55:57,053
Speaker 22: little sort of isolated pockets of this council's doing it

1059
00:55:57,093 --> 00:55:58,893
Speaker 22: this way and other council's doing it another way, and

1060
00:55:59,053 --> 00:56:01,333
Speaker 22: they've got some officers, and they've got some officers. It

1061
00:56:01,453 --> 00:56:03,573
Speaker 22: sort of makes sense to me that they can speed

1062
00:56:03,613 --> 00:56:06,813
Speaker 22: things up and improve efficiency by grouping everybody together and

1063
00:56:06,853 --> 00:56:10,493
Speaker 22: having some consistency. But I'm not sure that introducing private

1064
00:56:10,533 --> 00:56:14,253
Speaker 22: certifiers or moving to proportionate liability is actually going to

1065
00:56:14,293 --> 00:56:15,133
Speaker 22: solve the problem.

1066
00:56:15,413 --> 00:56:18,053
Speaker 2: There's a lot of houses in New Zealand, and there's

1067
00:56:18,093 --> 00:56:22,013
Speaker 2: been periods of fast growth in New Zealand. So was

1068
00:56:22,053 --> 00:56:24,973
Speaker 2: there a time when the system was right and people

1069
00:56:24,973 --> 00:56:29,373
Speaker 2: could get their house built and consented in orderly fashion

1070
00:56:29,613 --> 00:56:33,573
Speaker 2: and be confident that their house was up to scratch,

1071
00:56:33,693 --> 00:56:35,173
Speaker 2: Because you know, I live in a house that was

1072
00:56:35,213 --> 00:56:38,573
Speaker 2: built in nineteen thirty and it's sweet ass lovely house.

1073
00:56:40,653 --> 00:56:42,893
Speaker 22: Yeah, until you take them until you take the cleaning

1074
00:56:42,933 --> 00:56:44,253
Speaker 22: off and have a look at the bones of it

1075
00:56:44,293 --> 00:56:44,893
Speaker 22: and realized that.

1076
00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:49,172
Speaker 2: Actually did that. I actually spent four months every day

1077
00:56:49,253 --> 00:56:52,373
Speaker 2: just working on replacing a lot of stuff recently. So

1078
00:56:52,413 --> 00:56:55,093
Speaker 2: that's a good point. You know, I probably replaced fifty

1079
00:56:55,093 --> 00:56:57,652
Speaker 2: percent of the weather boards just the start of last year.

1080
00:56:57,653 --> 00:56:58,533
Speaker 2: But yeah, I get what you say.

1081
00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:04,573
Speaker 22: Yeah, and I think definitely. I was up north in

1082
00:57:04,693 --> 00:57:07,613
Speaker 22: Northland and the Bay of Islands just recently, and the

1083
00:57:07,653 --> 00:57:10,973
Speaker 22: build it up there more happy with the process, Maybe

1084
00:57:11,013 --> 00:57:14,293
Speaker 22: because it's smaller council and or maybe it's the you know,

1085
00:57:14,333 --> 00:57:16,613
Speaker 22: the inspectors kind of a bit more pragmatic, or they

1086
00:57:16,613 --> 00:57:19,373
Speaker 22: haven't had exposure to some of the issues that the

1087
00:57:19,413 --> 00:57:21,533
Speaker 22: sort of the leaky home councils have the biggest count

1088
00:57:22,173 --> 00:57:24,333
Speaker 22: you know, but the bay of plenties in the Aucklands

1089
00:57:24,333 --> 00:57:27,533
Speaker 22: who have had that massive exposure, you know, a lot

1090
00:57:27,573 --> 00:57:31,413
Speaker 22: more risk risk adverson And that's I don't know. Yeah,

1091
00:57:31,933 --> 00:57:33,333
Speaker 22: I'm sure down to the fact that I was the

1092
00:57:33,373 --> 00:57:35,333
Speaker 22: last last man standing in the room for.

1093
00:57:35,293 --> 00:57:35,693
Speaker 6: A lot of that.

1094
00:57:35,853 --> 00:57:40,013
Speaker 22: But yeah, it's a it's a tough problem to solve,

1095
00:57:40,453 --> 00:57:43,133
Speaker 22: but you can certainly look at those sort of regional

1096
00:57:43,373 --> 00:57:45,533
Speaker 22: areas and they're doing it well. And I think that

1097
00:57:45,573 --> 00:57:48,613
Speaker 22: probably does hark back to that sort of previous regime

1098
00:57:48,653 --> 00:57:51,053
Speaker 22: where they're a bit more pragmatic. They didn't feel the

1099
00:57:51,053 --> 00:57:55,093
Speaker 22: weight of multi billion dollars sort of lawsuits for failing

1100
00:57:55,133 --> 00:57:55,813
Speaker 22: apartment buildings.

1101
00:57:55,933 --> 00:58:00,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, so on that, How does consolidation help with with efficiencies? Ben,

1102
00:58:00,973 --> 00:58:02,573
Speaker 3: That's what I can't get my head around. That you've

1103
00:58:02,613 --> 00:58:06,173
Speaker 3: got individual councils and authorities that deal with the consents

1104
00:58:06,173 --> 00:58:08,333
Speaker 3: in their local region. That to me feels like it's

1105
00:58:08,413 --> 00:58:10,293
Speaker 3: should be a more efficient way to do it, that

1106
00:58:10,333 --> 00:58:13,893
Speaker 3: they are focused in on the local by laws and

1107
00:58:13,973 --> 00:58:17,173
Speaker 3: the local regulations there. Why would have in a one

1108
00:58:17,253 --> 00:58:19,573
Speaker 3: stop shop be a better way to do it.

1109
00:58:21,773 --> 00:58:25,333
Speaker 22: Well, I think you've got there's a duplication of functions

1110
00:58:25,373 --> 00:58:29,693
Speaker 22: and processes across those councils, no doubt. But you've also

1111
00:58:29,773 --> 00:58:32,173
Speaker 22: got some that will be busy at some times and

1112
00:58:32,893 --> 00:58:35,493
Speaker 22: others they won't be. So they're already there is already

1113
00:58:35,493 --> 00:58:38,933
Speaker 22: a sort of a process for them to share resource. Well,

1114
00:58:38,973 --> 00:58:40,933
Speaker 22: I'm not sure if that's formal or informal, but let's

1115
00:58:40,933 --> 00:58:43,253
Speaker 22: say you've got i don't know, one hundred one hundred

1116
00:58:43,253 --> 00:58:45,253
Speaker 22: sort of people processing in Auckland and you've got one

1117
00:58:45,293 --> 00:58:48,173
Speaker 22: hundred in christ Church with christ Church is really going off,

1118
00:58:48,653 --> 00:58:52,013
Speaker 22: you know, then they're going to be super busy and

1119
00:58:52,053 --> 00:58:54,333
Speaker 22: there's going to be a backlog. Meanwhile, there's you know,

1120
00:58:54,653 --> 00:58:57,213
Speaker 22: thirty people twiddling their thumbs in the Auckland one. So

1121
00:58:57,413 --> 00:58:59,213
Speaker 22: you know, if you had, if you had them combined,

1122
00:58:59,293 --> 00:59:02,013
Speaker 22: you could you know, those people could be shared across

1123
00:59:02,013 --> 00:59:04,133
Speaker 22: both those regions when you've got those regional sort of

1124
00:59:04,413 --> 00:59:05,173
Speaker 22: peaks and troughs.

1125
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so someone that's worked in the insurance or works

1126
00:59:08,013 --> 00:59:11,493
Speaker 2: in that that area of this, what sort of sized

1127
00:59:11,573 --> 00:59:14,893
Speaker 2: levees could you see going to a small business, you know,

1128
00:59:14,973 --> 00:59:17,413
Speaker 2: small builder operations, and if this went through.

1129
00:59:18,613 --> 00:59:22,533
Speaker 22: Yeah, well, I mean that that's the concern. The the

1130
00:59:22,973 --> 00:59:25,213
Speaker 22: what is what are the I mean this this levee

1131
00:59:25,253 --> 00:59:27,813
Speaker 22: that you're talking about. I'm not sort of one hundred

1132
00:59:27,813 --> 00:59:30,493
Speaker 22: percent across the detail because I don't think the government

1133
00:59:30,573 --> 00:59:34,093
Speaker 22: is actually super across the detail of how it's going

1134
00:59:34,173 --> 00:59:37,373
Speaker 22: to work. But if the if the builders are having

1135
00:59:37,413 --> 00:59:40,453
Speaker 22: to buy master build warranty or a you know, a

1136
00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:43,133
Speaker 22: kind of a built in warranty or a Certified Builders warranty,

1137
00:59:43,413 --> 00:59:45,133
Speaker 22: and that's you know, that's a that's a couple of

1138
00:59:45,173 --> 00:59:47,613
Speaker 22: grand on the house and there's probably fifty percent of

1139
00:59:47,613 --> 00:59:49,973
Speaker 22: houses in New Zealand that will have those At the moment,

1140
00:59:50,773 --> 00:59:52,653
Speaker 22: I'm not sure you're going to save a couple of

1141
00:59:52,693 --> 00:59:57,213
Speaker 22: grand in the consenting process. So and builders already pay

1142
00:59:57,613 --> 01:00:01,453
Speaker 22: a levy when they as licensed building practitioners, So is

1143
01:00:01,493 --> 01:00:03,973
Speaker 22: it going to be now a levy on building companies?

1144
01:00:04,133 --> 01:00:05,853
Speaker 22: And that's what they do in Australia, you know, they

1145
01:00:05,973 --> 01:00:08,253
Speaker 22: license the actual building companies themselves and they have to

1146
01:00:08,253 --> 01:00:10,533
Speaker 22: go through a process to make sure they're you know,

1147
01:00:10,613 --> 01:00:16,213
Speaker 22: financially solvent and you know, appropriate to build houses over there.

1148
01:00:16,293 --> 01:00:18,213
Speaker 22: So I don't know what the answer is in terms

1149
01:00:18,253 --> 01:00:21,133
Speaker 22: of what the cost of the levee. But is the

1150
01:00:21,133 --> 01:00:23,653
Speaker 22: government going to have to operate a fund to sort of,

1151
01:00:23,893 --> 01:00:26,293
Speaker 22: you know, like an EQC type thing or an ACC

1152
01:00:26,493 --> 01:00:30,093
Speaker 22: type fund if a big builder does tip over, especially

1153
01:00:30,133 --> 01:00:33,453
Speaker 22: if there's no sort of commercial market for warranties or insurance,

1154
01:00:33,533 --> 01:00:36,373
Speaker 22: but hopefully there will be. It's just we've we've talked

1155
01:00:36,413 --> 01:00:41,253
Speaker 22: to insurers in New Zealand and insurers overseas, and you know,

1156
01:00:41,573 --> 01:00:44,973
Speaker 22: when they're taking on the risk of a building having

1157
01:00:45,013 --> 01:00:46,973
Speaker 22: issues for ten years, that's a long time to be

1158
01:00:47,013 --> 01:00:49,693
Speaker 22: sitting on that risk. And you know a lot of

1159
01:00:49,733 --> 01:00:51,973
Speaker 22: insurers aren't super keen to to sit on a risk

1160
01:00:52,093 --> 01:00:54,413
Speaker 22: that might eventuate in nine or ten years after they've

1161
01:00:54,413 --> 01:00:55,333
Speaker 22: collected the premium.

1162
01:00:55,413 --> 01:00:58,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, being really good to get your expertise. Thanks very

1163
01:00:58,213 --> 01:00:59,853
Speaker 3: much for giving us a buzz. Love to hear from you.

1164
01:00:59,933 --> 01:01:02,533
Speaker 3: Oh wait, hundred eighty ten eighty Are you a builder?

1165
01:01:02,613 --> 01:01:05,493
Speaker 3: You're worried about what the levee could be once this

1166
01:01:05,573 --> 01:01:06,933
Speaker 3: policy comes into effect?

1167
01:01:07,293 --> 01:01:09,813
Speaker 2: This tax, it says, I'm in the current system now,

1168
01:01:09,893 --> 01:01:12,973
Speaker 2: and I can tell you whatever the details of this

1169
01:01:13,053 --> 01:01:15,813
Speaker 2: new idea, it can't suck as bad as what I'm

1170
01:01:15,853 --> 01:01:16,333
Speaker 2: going through.

1171
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Speaker 3: Great text that is twenty eight to three US talks.

1172
01:01:21,453 --> 01:01:24,453
Speaker 15: They'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

1173
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Speaker 15: with a blue bubble. New Zealand's ambassador to Ireland, Trevor Mallard,

1174
01:01:28,653 --> 01:01:32,053
Speaker 15: will be returning home early. Parliament's former speaker has been

1175
01:01:32,093 --> 01:01:35,053
Speaker 15: in the job since twenty twenty three, but Foreign Minister

1176
01:01:35,093 --> 01:01:39,893
Speaker 15: Winston Peters today appointed a replacement. The latest building construction

1177
01:01:40,053 --> 01:01:43,973
Speaker 15: sector report shows revenue foul by five billion dollars from

1178
01:01:43,973 --> 01:01:48,733
Speaker 15: the last reporting period and worker numbers plummeted by sixteen thousand.

1179
01:01:49,333 --> 01:01:51,853
Speaker 15: A man shot by police during a double shooting in

1180
01:01:51,933 --> 01:01:56,093
Speaker 15: christ Church's Brindoir last week remains under police garden hospital.

1181
01:01:56,413 --> 01:02:00,973
Speaker 15: No charges have been laid. Hopes making big power generators

1182
01:02:01,053 --> 01:02:03,893
Speaker 15: charge everyone the same or free out the market and

1183
01:02:03,933 --> 01:02:06,893
Speaker 15: help a bring down prices they'll no longer be able

1184
01:02:06,933 --> 01:02:10,973
Speaker 15: to offer themselves discs counted prices. The government's launching a

1185
01:02:11,013 --> 01:02:13,533
Speaker 15: plan it says will strengthen the teaching of writing to

1186
01:02:13,773 --> 01:02:16,933
Speaker 15: underachieving year six to eight students who won't have learned

1187
01:02:17,013 --> 01:02:20,893
Speaker 15: structured literacy from year one plus. I had lost both

1188
01:02:20,933 --> 01:02:24,373
Speaker 15: my business and my mates. Witness tears up at zero

1189
01:02:24,453 --> 01:02:28,733
Speaker 15: Nappy trial over soured friendship. Read more at enzat Herald Premium.

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01:02:29,053 --> 01:02:30,613
Speaker 15: Now Mack to Mashon Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, And we're talking about the

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01:02:32,693 --> 01:02:37,093
Speaker 3: changes to the consenting regime construction of building Minister Chris Penks. Heyes,

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01:02:37,133 --> 01:02:39,453
Speaker 3: it's too slow and it needs to be changed up.

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01:02:39,453 --> 01:02:42,293
Speaker 3: What it does mean is that the liability will be

1195
01:02:42,373 --> 01:02:46,173
Speaker 3: less as councils for work that they do not complete

1196
01:02:46,173 --> 01:02:48,893
Speaker 3: themselves effectively. If a mistake was made by the builder,

1197
01:02:49,173 --> 01:02:51,773
Speaker 3: that liability from a council from signing off that consent

1198
01:02:51,853 --> 01:02:53,613
Speaker 3: will be lessened. So how do you feel about this

1199
01:02:53,693 --> 01:02:54,773
Speaker 3: if you're in the building trade.

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Speaker 2: So the argument is that the council would then be

1201
01:02:57,373 --> 01:03:01,813
Speaker 2: less risk averse and you could get consents quicker in

1202
01:03:01,893 --> 01:03:05,333
Speaker 2: the terrified lands of that have been hit by leaky holmes.

1203
01:03:06,373 --> 01:03:08,653
Speaker 2: Guys in the trades for forty years will be another

1204
01:03:08,733 --> 01:03:11,653
Speaker 2: leaky home or worse. With new ruling at present, copious

1205
01:03:11,653 --> 01:03:14,773
Speaker 2: amounts of dodgy work going on, council inspector's unskilled out

1206
01:03:14,813 --> 01:03:18,853
Speaker 2: of depth insurances will go sky high, requiring rates to rise. Yeah,

1207
01:03:19,133 --> 01:03:21,613
Speaker 2: that's a negative approach to us.

1208
01:03:21,893 --> 01:03:22,573
Speaker 3: It certainly is.

1209
01:03:22,853 --> 01:03:25,333
Speaker 2: I'm involved in architecture and six years ago dissolved my

1210
01:03:25,453 --> 01:03:27,613
Speaker 2: existing business to start a new business. But I still

1211
01:03:27,613 --> 01:03:30,213
Speaker 2: pay yearly premiums for my insurance and we'll do for

1212
01:03:30,213 --> 01:03:32,493
Speaker 2: the next four years a total of six years to

1213
01:03:32,533 --> 01:03:35,253
Speaker 2: cover projects I did with that old company and as

1214
01:03:35,293 --> 01:03:37,813
Speaker 2: well as paying insurance on my new company. Yeah, wow,

1215
01:03:37,933 --> 01:03:38,533
Speaker 2: that's interesting.

1216
01:03:38,653 --> 01:03:41,573
Speaker 3: That is so we have vasked the Minister's office for

1217
01:03:41,573 --> 01:03:44,133
Speaker 3: a bit of a Q and a on what these

1218
01:03:44,213 --> 01:03:46,413
Speaker 3: changes will mean for you in the building industry or

1219
01:03:46,413 --> 01:03:48,373
Speaker 3: for you as a builder as well. So here's what

1220
01:03:48,453 --> 01:03:51,813
Speaker 3: Love sent back. Why are you changing the liability settings

1221
01:03:51,893 --> 01:03:54,093
Speaker 3: right now? If something goes wrong, they say, counsels and

1222
01:03:54,133 --> 01:03:56,973
Speaker 3: their rate payers can end up covering the entire cost

1223
01:03:57,013 --> 01:03:59,533
Speaker 3: of defective building work, and we've seen that before, even

1224
01:03:59,813 --> 01:04:02,573
Speaker 3: when someone else is responsible. This is made those building

1225
01:04:02,573 --> 01:04:05,693
Speaker 3: can send authorities far more cautious when issuing consents and

1226
01:04:05,693 --> 01:04:08,533
Speaker 3: carrying out inspections, which is a significant reason for those

1227
01:04:08,533 --> 01:04:11,853
Speaker 3: building delays and those high costs. To the question how

1228
01:04:11,893 --> 01:04:15,613
Speaker 3: will homeowners be protected under the new liability system, so

1229
01:04:15,733 --> 01:04:20,213
Speaker 3: Cabinet is currently exploring options such as professional indemnity insurance

1230
01:04:20,253 --> 01:04:23,333
Speaker 3: and home warranty schemes like those required in Australia. That's

1231
01:04:23,333 --> 01:04:26,573
Speaker 3: what Julian Lee's mentioned earlier this hour. Examples already exist

1232
01:04:26,613 --> 01:04:29,893
Speaker 3: here like Certified Builders Halo guarantee and Master Builders ten

1233
01:04:29,933 --> 01:04:32,733
Speaker 3: year guarantee. We're also taking steps to crack down on

1234
01:04:32,813 --> 01:04:38,053
Speaker 3: cowboy builders by strengthening disciplinary and complaints processes. But that

1235
01:04:38,253 --> 01:04:41,133
Speaker 3: is the big question. So Cabinet is now is currently

1236
01:04:41,213 --> 01:04:44,573
Speaker 3: exploring those options. But that's what it hangs on is

1237
01:04:44,653 --> 01:04:48,013
Speaker 3: what does that guarantee scheme, of that warranty scheme look like.

1238
01:04:48,453 --> 01:04:50,293
Speaker 3: And for builders out there, I'm sure there'll be a

1239
01:04:50,333 --> 01:04:52,773
Speaker 3: lot of people who are in the industry be worried

1240
01:04:52,773 --> 01:04:55,053
Speaker 3: about what decisions will we make when it comes to

1241
01:04:55,053 --> 01:04:55,773
Speaker 3: those warranties.

1242
01:04:56,653 --> 01:05:01,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, boy, this is a choose the wrong day

1243
01:05:01,293 --> 01:05:02,373
Speaker 2: for me to get my head around this.

1244
01:05:02,573 --> 01:05:03,573
Speaker 3: There's a lot in there.

1245
01:05:03,653 --> 01:05:09,253
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've got to MC the Chief Information a word tonight.

1246
01:05:09,293 --> 01:05:11,253
Speaker 3: That is a big gig, no no doubt about it.

1247
01:05:11,333 --> 01:05:13,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't be trying to take in more information

1248
01:05:13,493 --> 01:05:13,853
Speaker 2: on this.

1249
01:05:14,613 --> 01:05:18,173
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1250
01:05:18,493 --> 01:05:21,493
Speaker 3: There's plenty of texts coming through on this one. Nine

1251
01:05:21,613 --> 01:05:26,493
Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text number. Guys Auckland City

1252
01:05:26,493 --> 01:05:30,693
Speaker 3: Council Building inspectors are not unskilled. They have a diploma

1253
01:05:30,813 --> 01:05:35,173
Speaker 3: in building and construction. The consent system is working as

1254
01:05:35,253 --> 01:05:38,373
Speaker 3: it should be. Those processes are there for a reason.

1255
01:05:38,693 --> 01:05:41,533
Speaker 3: Leaky building situation. Anybody we mentioned that.

1256
01:05:41,693 --> 01:05:44,613
Speaker 2: So that's a person that thinks that the system is working.

1257
01:05:44,653 --> 01:05:48,133
Speaker 2: But what about people? You know, there's people right now

1258
01:05:48,293 --> 01:05:51,773
Speaker 2: waiting twelve months for consent to move forward on a project.

1259
01:05:52,613 --> 01:05:57,253
Speaker 2: So something has to change around that. Yeah, right, you

1260
01:05:57,253 --> 01:06:01,053
Speaker 2: can't have a productive society of construction takes that long

1261
01:06:01,373 --> 01:06:04,413
Speaker 2: to be approved exactly. I mean, economy does not work

1262
01:06:04,573 --> 01:06:08,013
Speaker 2: with that kind of lag, just because people won't. You

1263
01:06:08,053 --> 01:06:11,133
Speaker 2: know that the threshold to even start gets too high

1264
01:06:11,213 --> 01:06:13,173
Speaker 2: for some people to even bother.

1265
01:06:13,293 --> 01:06:16,333
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, Nathan, how are you this afternoon?

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01:06:17,333 --> 01:06:17,493
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1267
01:06:17,533 --> 01:06:18,013
Speaker 18: Good fellows?

1268
01:06:18,093 --> 01:06:18,293
Speaker 23: Are you?

1269
01:06:18,453 --> 01:06:18,693
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1270
01:06:18,733 --> 01:06:18,933
Speaker 18: Good?

1271
01:06:18,973 --> 01:06:19,213
Speaker 2: Good?

1272
01:06:19,453 --> 01:06:22,573
Speaker 3: So you've got some questions about this overhaul of the

1273
01:06:22,613 --> 01:06:24,133
Speaker 3: building consent system.

1274
01:06:24,693 --> 01:06:26,253
Speaker 23: Yeah, to be honest, I don't know a heck of

1275
01:06:26,253 --> 01:06:28,053
Speaker 23: a lot about it because of this gone to the car,

1276
01:06:28,173 --> 01:06:31,373
Speaker 23: but I just sort of pointed something quite obvious, and

1277
01:06:31,413 --> 01:06:33,533
Speaker 23: maybe I'm buck up the wrong tree, But you know,

1278
01:06:33,653 --> 01:06:39,093
Speaker 23: earthquakes and christ Church were awful. Lots of buildings failed,

1279
01:06:39,093 --> 01:06:42,453
Speaker 23: but lots of buildings didn't kill people. And I know

1280
01:06:42,493 --> 01:06:45,093
Speaker 23: there's a couple of buildings that had some big issues

1281
01:06:45,133 --> 01:06:47,053
Speaker 23: that will result in lots of death and lots of loss.

1282
01:06:47,093 --> 01:06:51,213
Speaker 23: But trying to back up the current system of being

1283
01:06:51,293 --> 01:06:55,493
Speaker 23: quite regimented about things, is that we can we attribute

1284
01:06:55,573 --> 01:06:58,013
Speaker 23: some of that success of not losing life to the

1285
01:06:58,053 --> 01:06:59,893
Speaker 23: stringent policies we have in place at the moment.

1286
01:07:00,933 --> 01:07:02,893
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a fair question. I mean, we're in

1287
01:07:03,213 --> 01:07:05,813
Speaker 3: the case of christ Ute you qui't right, those buildings

1288
01:07:05,853 --> 01:07:10,773
Speaker 3: that the facades came off or sadly collapsed, there were

1289
01:07:10,813 --> 01:07:14,293
Speaker 3: big questions around how they were constructed. The CTV building,

1290
01:07:14,293 --> 01:07:16,733
Speaker 3: for example, Nathan, you'd remember, and there was a lot

1291
01:07:16,733 --> 01:07:19,453
Speaker 3: of court action around how that was designed and constructed

1292
01:07:19,533 --> 01:07:21,133
Speaker 3: and the shortcuts made.

1293
01:07:21,453 --> 01:07:23,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, everyone loves the building that goes up

1294
01:07:23,373 --> 01:07:25,813
Speaker 2: quickly until there's a natural disaster and it comes back

1295
01:07:25,853 --> 01:07:27,693
Speaker 2: down again. It's really what you say.

1296
01:07:27,773 --> 01:07:30,053
Speaker 23: That's one point. But there's a couple of buildings that

1297
01:07:30,093 --> 01:07:32,053
Speaker 23: we know of CTV as one of them, and the

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Speaker 23: other one as well. I can't be in the name

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Speaker 23: of it, but you know, it was pretty awful consequences

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01:07:35,773 --> 01:07:38,013
Speaker 23: that I just wonder if we go down this track

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01:07:38,053 --> 01:07:41,053
Speaker 23: of trying to speed things up. And you know, like

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Speaker 23: if we lose that stringency, would we have if we

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01:07:44,573 --> 01:07:46,373
Speaker 23: had the same again, would we have a whole lot

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01:07:46,453 --> 01:07:47,573
Speaker 23: more buildings coming down?

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Speaker 2: How much worse is it now than it has been

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Speaker 2: in the past around consents. I feel like in recent years,

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01:07:56,933 --> 01:08:00,893
Speaker 2: especially in Auckland, it's become almost a joke if you

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01:08:00,933 --> 01:08:02,973
Speaker 2: if you try and do anything, then the consent is

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01:08:02,973 --> 01:08:04,693
Speaker 2: going to kill you. It's going to punish you, and

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01:08:04,813 --> 01:08:09,613
Speaker 2: it'll steal your soul. So there must be a balance

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01:08:09,653 --> 01:08:12,373
Speaker 2: between safety and actually being able to get things done

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01:08:12,413 --> 01:08:15,573
Speaker 2: in a timely manner and the economy moving surely.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I agree, I think from a very little I

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01:08:19,893 --> 01:08:22,053
Speaker 23: know that I think christ rich is doing quite well

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01:08:22,213 --> 01:08:25,372
Speaker 23: with consents. That I might be wrong, but yeah, just

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01:08:26,093 --> 01:08:28,692
Speaker 23: from a from an outsiders point of view, never built

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01:08:28,692 --> 01:08:31,532
Speaker 23: a house or anything in my life, but the fact

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01:08:31,572 --> 01:08:36,133
Speaker 23: that we have these awful things happen, christ Rigs and

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01:08:36,213 --> 01:08:40,012
Speaker 23: by and large we walked away, most.

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Speaker 6: Of us, did you.

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01:08:40,492 --> 01:08:43,812
Speaker 23: I'm like your souls. But you know, maybe maybe the

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01:08:43,973 --> 01:08:46,253
Speaker 23: rules we have there for a reason, and that's proof

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01:08:46,293 --> 01:08:46,732
Speaker 23: of the budding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Nason. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean to counselor is just a need as this

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01:08:51,133 --> 01:08:54,892
Speaker 2: text the councilors, as this text that suggests just need

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Speaker 2: to employ more people to push the consents through. Yeah,

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01:08:59,732 --> 01:09:00,652
Speaker 2: because they charge.

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01:09:00,893 --> 01:09:03,092
Speaker 3: They certainly do charge a lot of money.

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01:09:03,173 --> 01:09:07,013
Speaker 2: So is this just a stupid suggestion Just employ a

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01:09:07,013 --> 01:09:08,892
Speaker 2: lot more so you can get through it a lot quicker.

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01:09:09,013 --> 01:09:12,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're currently building or you've recently gone through

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01:09:12,013 --> 01:09:13,852
Speaker 3: that process, love to hear from you on eight hundred

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01:09:13,893 --> 01:09:16,012
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty how punishing was it to wait

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01:09:16,053 --> 01:09:18,492
Speaker 3: for those consents to be ticked off? And you as

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01:09:18,492 --> 01:09:21,532
Speaker 3: a homeowner, Because it comes to that question that if

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01:09:21,612 --> 01:09:24,852
Speaker 3: you back yourself and your builder to take on some

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01:09:24,893 --> 01:09:27,253
Speaker 3: of that liability yourself, and that means you save a

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01:09:27,253 --> 01:09:31,093
Speaker 3: bit of money worth having multiple council building inspectors come

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01:09:31,133 --> 01:09:34,133
Speaker 3: around and tick a box. Then shouldn't that be something

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01:09:34,173 --> 01:09:36,333
Speaker 3: you as a homeowner is allowed to accept. You take

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01:09:36,372 --> 01:09:38,412
Speaker 3: on and say, look, I trust my builder here, I

1343
01:09:38,532 --> 01:09:41,253
Speaker 3: accept the liability. I think they've done a fantastic job

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01:09:41,412 --> 01:09:43,732
Speaker 3: and it's up to code and I'm happy with that.

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01:09:44,293 --> 01:09:46,492
Speaker 3: If I'm happy with that, you as a councilor happy

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01:09:46,492 --> 01:09:48,612
Speaker 3: with that. But we you don't need the liability if

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01:09:48,612 --> 01:09:51,012
Speaker 3: anything goes wrong. I'll take that on myself to save

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01:09:51,053 --> 01:09:52,932
Speaker 3: a bit of money. Right, what do you reckon?

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01:09:53,213 --> 01:09:54,772
Speaker 2: How does that play it when you sell the house?

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01:09:55,772 --> 01:09:58,852
Speaker 3: Very good point. Well, then you'd have to let the

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01:09:58,893 --> 01:10:02,973
Speaker 3: new homeowner know that maybe maybe reduce the price a

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01:10:03,013 --> 01:10:03,412
Speaker 3: little bit.

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01:10:03,492 --> 01:10:05,372
Speaker 2: This this house, I reckon it's pretty good.

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01:10:05,452 --> 01:10:05,652
Speaker 15: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I don't have anyone to back me up on that,

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01:10:07,692 --> 01:10:11,253
Speaker 2: but you know what this gets the Tyler Adams Gold

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01:10:11,333 --> 01:10:15,333
Speaker 2: Class guarantee. That it's sweet as Didn't you have a

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01:10:15,372 --> 01:10:18,812
Speaker 2: bit of a nightmare with consents recently down in christ

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01:10:18,893 --> 01:10:21,213
Speaker 2: Church or did it go really well that something happened?

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01:10:21,293 --> 01:10:23,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, there was a mess of backlog because

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01:10:23,692 --> 01:10:26,093
Speaker 3: the Christiant City Council was terrible. We're trying to push

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01:10:26,093 --> 01:10:30,173
Speaker 3: those consents out. But I've got to say for my

1363
01:10:30,612 --> 01:10:33,612
Speaker 3: home down in christ Church, pretty recent build, but that

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01:10:33,652 --> 01:10:36,612
Speaker 3: was under the Master Builders guarantee. But when a few

1365
01:10:36,652 --> 01:10:38,732
Speaker 3: things started to go wrong, and here's the crux, So

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01:10:38,732 --> 01:10:42,533
Speaker 3: the guys that built my home, they went bankrupt liquidated.

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01:10:42,692 --> 01:10:44,933
Speaker 3: It turns out might have been a bit dodge and

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01:10:44,973 --> 01:10:46,772
Speaker 3: so there were some things that started to go wrong

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01:10:46,812 --> 01:10:48,932
Speaker 3: inside the house and I went to go see if

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01:10:48,973 --> 01:10:52,053
Speaker 3: we could get the Master Builders guarantee and unfortunately the

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01:10:52,093 --> 01:10:53,053
Speaker 3: ten years elapsed.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I see, because you know if a developer

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01:10:56,213 --> 01:10:59,932
Speaker 2: or a builder collapses, you know, how are people protected?

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01:10:59,973 --> 01:11:02,532
Speaker 2: And a thing like this this text Malcolm says, Hey guys,

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01:11:02,812 --> 01:11:04,973
Speaker 2: are those people waiting for consents? I would imagine they

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01:11:05,053 --> 01:11:08,013
Speaker 2: are more about land use, especially infrastructure that's not in

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01:11:08,053 --> 01:11:10,412
Speaker 2: place to go ahead with a build at the moment,

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01:11:10,492 --> 01:11:14,532
Speaker 2: rather than building itself. As most designs come coming from

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01:11:14,532 --> 01:11:17,333
Speaker 2: a building design company, will not really have any council

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01:11:17,372 --> 01:11:18,892
Speaker 2: hold up as a rule. Thanks Malcolm.

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01:11:19,013 --> 01:11:21,053
Speaker 3: Yep, good text. O one hundred eighty ten eighty is

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01:11:21,093 --> 01:11:23,412
Speaker 3: the number to call. It is sixteen to three.

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01:11:23,532 --> 01:11:25,173
Speaker 2: So can I just half up an on sweet right

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01:11:25,213 --> 01:11:27,333
Speaker 2: now without talking to the council? Yeah'd be good. Okay,

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01:11:27,372 --> 01:11:30,052
Speaker 2: I'll do it.

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01:11:28,973 --> 01:11:31,972
Speaker 1: A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

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01:11:32,053 --> 01:11:35,772
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten

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01:11:35,812 --> 01:11:36,692
Speaker 1: eighty US talks.

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01:11:36,732 --> 01:11:38,732
Speaker 3: That'd be for a good afternoon to you. It is

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01:11:38,812 --> 01:11:41,293
Speaker 3: thirteen two three and we're talking about changes to the

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01:11:41,293 --> 01:11:42,733
Speaker 3: building consent regime.

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Speaker 2: Sandy, welcome to the show.

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01:11:46,133 --> 01:11:46,972
Speaker 19: Hey, how are you going?

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01:11:47,412 --> 01:11:47,932
Speaker 2: Very good?

1395
01:11:48,973 --> 01:11:51,333
Speaker 3: So you have some concerns about how this is going

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01:11:51,372 --> 01:11:53,412
Speaker 3: to work. Your fees may go up to cover the

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01:11:53,452 --> 01:11:54,692
Speaker 3: sex reliability Sandy.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, well, I think the architects and builders, if our

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01:11:58,652 --> 01:12:02,692
Speaker 19: liability is increasing, then of course it needs to be absorbed,

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01:12:02,732 --> 01:12:06,173
Speaker 19: Like if we have to pay higher insurance excess and

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01:12:06,652 --> 01:12:08,732
Speaker 19: things like that, then yeah, of course going to have

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01:12:08,732 --> 01:12:13,133
Speaker 19: to increase these I think the cost saving is just

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01:12:13,372 --> 01:12:16,653
Speaker 19: perceived because it will need to be absorbed. In other places,

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01:12:17,572 --> 01:12:20,652
Speaker 19: In Australia when I worked there, the councils do just

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01:12:20,853 --> 01:12:23,772
Speaker 19: issue kind of like permits to build, but then you're

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01:12:23,893 --> 01:12:27,652
Speaker 19: forced to engage a private certifier, which is similar to

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01:12:27,692 --> 01:12:30,492
Speaker 19: having a council and inspector, but it's it's a private

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01:12:30,652 --> 01:12:33,173
Speaker 19: company that then carries out all the inspections that you've

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01:12:33,173 --> 01:12:35,772
Speaker 19: still got to pay them, and they're reliable, so they're

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01:12:35,812 --> 01:12:37,852
Speaker 19: still just as expensive as a council.

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01:12:38,293 --> 01:12:40,253
Speaker 2: Are they more efficient? Are they are they quicker?

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01:12:42,692 --> 01:12:44,852
Speaker 19: I can't really, Yeah, no idea. I didn't end up

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01:12:44,853 --> 01:12:51,133
Speaker 19: having to just doing how that system works. Yeah, I

1414
01:12:51,133 --> 01:12:53,293
Speaker 19: would say that, you know, if they're taking on the

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01:12:53,293 --> 01:12:55,933
Speaker 19: same liability as a council does, but a council is

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01:12:55,933 --> 01:12:57,772
Speaker 19: a bigger end there, so it can bring in a

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01:12:57,772 --> 01:13:00,973
Speaker 19: bigger pot of money then you know, a private certifier

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01:13:01,133 --> 01:13:04,093
Speaker 19: or the other people who are you know everything, and

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01:13:04,293 --> 01:13:06,372
Speaker 19: you know, obviously plumbers and gas fit as an altrition

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01:13:06,532 --> 01:13:09,532
Speaker 19: should be you know, registered, just sign off their own work.

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01:13:09,612 --> 01:13:13,173
Speaker 19: But of course again it's now going to increase.

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01:13:12,853 --> 01:13:17,093
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean the private sector generally finds way

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01:13:17,372 --> 01:13:20,812
Speaker 2: ways to be more efficient than counsels and central government.

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01:13:21,253 --> 01:13:24,812
Speaker 19: Yeah, for time efficiencies, but it doesn't always mean cost saving.

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01:13:25,532 --> 01:13:28,492
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the biggest problem here that they're trying to

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01:13:28,572 --> 01:13:32,572
Speaker 2: fix is that they believe it will speed things up

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01:13:32,572 --> 01:13:36,053
Speaker 2: because counsels are too risk averse because rate payers end

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01:13:36,133 --> 01:13:41,572
Speaker 2: up covering you know, the risk. So if it goes

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01:13:42,053 --> 01:13:46,012
Speaker 2: it's fine. Yeah, but you're just saying, you're just questioning

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01:13:46,013 --> 01:13:47,652
Speaker 2: whether it actually be any cheaper.

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01:13:49,093 --> 01:13:51,333
Speaker 19: Yeah exactly. I don't think it's going to be cheaper.

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01:13:51,253 --> 01:13:53,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, but quicker is cheaper.

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01:13:53,652 --> 01:13:58,532
Speaker 2: Like we've got this person here that says that this

1434
01:13:58,612 --> 01:14:00,892
Speaker 2: guy was reading before. He said that they were waiting

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01:14:00,893 --> 01:14:04,452
Speaker 2: for months and months on their one because the guy

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01:14:04,532 --> 01:14:07,452
Speaker 2: had their thing up around the wrong day. I've got

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01:14:07,492 --> 01:14:08,173
Speaker 2: to find this text.

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01:14:08,772 --> 01:14:10,972
Speaker 19: It can be like if you're if you're a developer

1439
01:14:10,973 --> 01:14:13,253
Speaker 19: and have like a mortgage on land and you're paying. Yeah,

1440
01:14:13,293 --> 01:14:15,812
Speaker 19: it can, of course you do save. Yeah, they'll be savings,

1441
01:14:15,812 --> 01:14:18,892
Speaker 19: but it won't. Yeah, and who knows a little balance

1442
01:14:18,933 --> 01:14:19,372
Speaker 19: out but it.

1443
01:14:19,412 --> 01:14:22,132
Speaker 2: Might just yeah. Because because it's the it's the unwanted,

1444
01:14:22,492 --> 01:14:23,972
Speaker 2: you know, it's the unknown of it, you know, having

1445
01:14:23,973 --> 01:14:26,253
Speaker 2: to having to having to wait and not know if

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01:14:26,293 --> 01:14:28,572
Speaker 2: you're going to get consent and having to hold people

1447
01:14:28,652 --> 01:14:30,652
Speaker 2: up and making it difficult book things. Thanks for the

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01:14:30,772 --> 01:14:33,973
Speaker 2: cool Sandy. This is the text that I wanted to

1449
01:14:34,013 --> 01:14:36,933
Speaker 2: read out but couldn't find it because it disappeared. My

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01:14:37,013 --> 01:14:39,253
Speaker 2: consent got held up two months by a council engineer

1451
01:14:39,253 --> 01:14:41,412
Speaker 2: looking at the plans upside down of cost. We have

1452
01:14:41,412 --> 01:14:44,012
Speaker 2: a fifteen thousand dollars an interest payment. No apology.

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01:14:46,053 --> 01:14:48,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I don't know what happened to that

1454
01:14:48,133 --> 01:14:50,893
Speaker 3: council engineer. You shouldn't be a bloody council engineer, should he?

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01:14:51,093 --> 01:14:52,772
Speaker 2: But am I right in saying that if you're a

1456
01:14:52,812 --> 01:14:57,213
Speaker 2: council inspector, you're just sort of driving around, you know,

1457
01:14:57,732 --> 01:15:01,173
Speaker 2: getting it done in your own time? Ye, knocking off early.

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01:15:01,532 --> 01:15:03,133
Speaker 3: I don't think you're a life person when you turn

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01:15:03,213 --> 01:15:03,852
Speaker 3: up to the work side.

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01:15:04,173 --> 01:15:06,492
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of people in the office looking

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01:15:06,572 --> 01:15:09,253
Speaker 2: for efficiencies. There's not a lot of people that are

1462
01:15:09,293 --> 01:15:11,812
Speaker 2: staying up at night worrying about the bottom line and

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01:15:11,853 --> 01:15:14,652
Speaker 2: making sure the company works to get as much business

1464
01:15:14,692 --> 01:15:16,652
Speaker 2: through as you can. So you know, if you're a

1465
01:15:16,652 --> 01:15:20,452
Speaker 2: private company doing the inspections, then you want it done

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01:15:20,532 --> 01:15:22,173
Speaker 2: as quickly as possible so you can do more. So

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01:15:22,173 --> 01:15:23,612
Speaker 2: you can do more, so you can do more moreners

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01:15:23,612 --> 01:15:24,253
Speaker 2: you make more money.

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01:15:24,213 --> 01:15:26,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, time is money. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

1470
01:15:26,412 --> 01:15:29,092
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. It is nine to three.

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01:15:30,372 --> 01:15:32,732
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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01:15:32,853 --> 01:15:36,333
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News

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01:15:36,372 --> 01:15:37,173
Speaker 1: Talks EDB.

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01:15:38,013 --> 01:15:41,133
Speaker 3: News Talks, EDB. It is seven to three. Plenty of

1475
01:15:41,173 --> 01:15:42,812
Speaker 3: tecks have come through on this one. Get our guys.

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01:15:42,812 --> 01:15:46,333
Speaker 3: If every builder, plumber, et cetera. Is insured, then the

1477
01:15:46,333 --> 01:15:49,372
Speaker 3: insurance company quickly assesses the risk and poor tradees won't

1478
01:15:49,372 --> 01:15:52,932
Speaker 3: get insurance, so overall protection is greater. Meanwhile, raatepayers who

1479
01:15:52,933 --> 01:15:56,412
Speaker 3: haven't used a dodgy builder don't get lumbered with those costs.

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01:15:56,492 --> 01:15:56,973
Speaker 3: I like it.

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01:15:58,053 --> 01:16:01,492
Speaker 2: But as long as these small operators can pay insurance,

1482
01:16:01,612 --> 01:16:03,492
Speaker 2: you know, because some of them are operating on them

1483
01:16:03,532 --> 01:16:05,972
Speaker 2: some pretty tiny little margins out there.

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01:16:06,133 --> 01:16:08,572
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Tony, what's your view on this?

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01:16:10,572 --> 01:16:14,173
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I'm a builder. I'm currently building. I've been

1486
01:16:14,692 --> 01:16:20,012
Speaker 8: building an orphan for about sixty years. And the first

1487
01:16:20,013 --> 01:16:23,172
Speaker 8: thing is that I just said, one of you guys

1488
01:16:23,253 --> 01:16:30,053
Speaker 8: say that the inspectors just drive around. They're underpaid and overwork.

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01:16:30,173 --> 01:16:34,772
Speaker 8: They get forty minutes through inspection and that includes the

1490
01:16:34,853 --> 01:16:38,532
Speaker 8: time to get there, right, So that's the first thing

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01:16:38,772 --> 01:16:39,572
Speaker 8: you haven't got.

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01:16:39,452 --> 01:16:43,133
Speaker 2: Right, Well, hanging mate, Well, no, that was Tony, didn't

1493
01:16:43,452 --> 01:16:45,612
Speaker 2: were that was? That was a comment on the difference

1494
01:16:45,652 --> 01:16:48,333
Speaker 2: between the private sector and the public sector. I don't know.

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01:16:48,452 --> 01:16:51,213
Speaker 2: We're not really commenting on how the actual people drive around.

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01:16:51,612 --> 01:16:55,093
Speaker 2: We're just saying that efficiencies normally coming in the private sector.

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01:16:55,133 --> 01:16:56,652
Speaker 2: I mean that's been proven over and over again right

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01:16:56,692 --> 01:17:02,293
Speaker 2: over over government departments. No argument, Okay, cool, all right,

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01:17:02,293 --> 01:17:02,732
Speaker 2: continue on.

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Speaker 8: Then, so there's a huge delay in issuing a consent.

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01:17:07,692 --> 01:17:10,892
Speaker 8: They're supposed to have twenty days to issue that. They

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01:17:10,933 --> 01:17:14,452
Speaker 8: send out an RIFI usually ask for something that they've

1503
01:17:14,452 --> 01:17:18,372
Speaker 8: already got, which stops the clock and so they start again.

1504
01:17:18,532 --> 01:17:21,652
Speaker 8: And so I've just built a couple of houses the kids.

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01:17:22,572 --> 01:17:27,253
Speaker 8: Took us eight months to get the council engineers to

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01:17:27,372 --> 01:17:33,093
Speaker 8: improve the EPA, which is before the building even starts.

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01:17:33,213 --> 01:17:37,532
Speaker 8: And then and then you get the delays. And but

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01:17:37,612 --> 01:17:41,852
Speaker 8: the other thing is that nobody seems to be considering

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01:17:42,013 --> 01:17:44,772
Speaker 8: is that when so I'm building a house at the moment,

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01:17:45,213 --> 01:17:48,852
Speaker 8: I've had us for two inspections of the council. They've

1511
01:17:48,853 --> 01:17:53,093
Speaker 8: both been three weeks out. So we've got three weeks

1512
01:17:53,173 --> 01:17:57,572
Speaker 8: hanging around doing nothing.

1513
01:17:54,893 --> 01:18:01,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they're saying that the main advantage in

1514
01:18:01,013 --> 01:18:02,852
Speaker 2: this one of the advantages and this is that the

1515
01:18:02,933 --> 01:18:05,852
Speaker 2: council and speakers wouldn't be so risk averse. But you

1516
01:18:05,973 --> 01:18:09,572
Speaker 2: think it's actually just the way the system's set up

1517
01:18:09,692 --> 01:18:13,253
Speaker 2: that's clogging the system.

1518
01:18:13,372 --> 01:18:13,572
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1519
01:18:13,612 --> 01:18:17,773
Speaker 8: Well, I mean my opinion is they brought in the

1520
01:18:17,933 --> 01:18:22,293
Speaker 8: LBP scheme in ninety two or that's thereabouts, I think,

1521
01:18:23,053 --> 01:18:25,732
Speaker 8: and the whole idea was to get rid of the

1522
01:18:25,812 --> 01:18:30,052
Speaker 8: time delays and the paperwork. But Auckland Council, for example,

1523
01:18:30,213 --> 01:18:34,692
Speaker 8: are demanding producer statements which have got no legal they're

1524
01:18:34,732 --> 01:18:36,173
Speaker 8: not a legal entity.

1525
01:18:36,853 --> 01:18:38,692
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, Tony, we have to let you go. But

1526
01:18:38,973 --> 01:18:40,612
Speaker 2: we're running out of time. The ads are coming in

1527
01:18:40,652 --> 01:18:41,372
Speaker 2: like a freight train.

1528
01:18:41,492 --> 01:18:44,052
Speaker 3: They certainly are, but thanking everybody who phoned in texts

1529
01:18:44,093 --> 01:18:48,212
Speaker 3: on that one. Coming up after three o'clock. Kids chores,

1530
01:18:48,253 --> 01:18:50,213
Speaker 3: do you still get your kids doing the chores? And

1531
01:18:50,213 --> 01:18:52,852
Speaker 3: what chores did you do as a kids? Looking forward

1532
01:18:52,853 --> 01:18:54,412
Speaker 3: to this conversation, It's going to be a fun One

1533
01:18:54,412 --> 01:18:56,333
Speaker 3: o eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1534
01:18:56,492 --> 01:18:58,372
Speaker 3: number of Core News is on its way.

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01:19:01,973 --> 01:19:06,293
Speaker 1: Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1536
01:19:06,532 --> 01:19:09,852
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoon on News Talk.

1537
01:19:09,732 --> 01:19:13,972
Speaker 3: Sevy afternoon, seven past three. Great to have your company

1538
01:19:14,013 --> 01:19:16,572
Speaker 3: as always. Just before we get into the next topic,

1539
01:19:16,692 --> 01:19:17,412
Speaker 3: man Eth.

1540
01:19:17,372 --> 01:19:20,492
Speaker 2: I was set a copy of Anything Could Happen, Grant

1541
01:19:20,532 --> 01:19:23,612
Speaker 2: Robertson's book that's just come out, and someone said, turn

1542
01:19:23,692 --> 01:19:27,893
Speaker 2: to this page, okay, and look. When I was a teenager,

1543
01:19:27,973 --> 01:19:30,133
Speaker 2: I was in a band called kid Eternity. I was

1544
01:19:30,173 --> 01:19:31,772
Speaker 2: later in a band called Deja Vuoda, but my first

1545
01:19:31,772 --> 01:19:32,812
Speaker 2: band was called kid Eternity.

1546
01:19:32,933 --> 01:19:33,452
Speaker 3: Love the name.

1547
01:19:34,093 --> 01:19:35,652
Speaker 2: We did quite well. We played the big day out,

1548
01:19:35,692 --> 01:19:39,333
Speaker 2: We tought a lot. But turned to this page of

1549
01:19:39,372 --> 01:19:43,052
Speaker 2: Grant Robertson's book and listen to this. Going to gigs,

1550
01:19:43,093 --> 01:19:45,932
Speaker 2: invariably meant hanging out with some of the bands. One

1551
01:19:45,973 --> 01:19:49,412
Speaker 2: of those was a loose cartoon rock band called kid Eternity.

1552
01:19:49,452 --> 01:19:51,572
Speaker 2: They had modeled themselves on the Three D's, one of

1553
01:19:51,572 --> 01:19:54,293
Speaker 2: the best of the later phase of the Dunedin sound.

1554
01:19:54,572 --> 01:19:56,772
Speaker 2: The kids were a bit younger than us, but we

1555
01:19:56,853 --> 01:20:00,172
Speaker 2: enjoyed their irreverence. Or what they lacked in musical acumen,

1556
01:20:00,372 --> 01:20:03,532
Speaker 2: they made up for with endless energy. They started getting

1557
01:20:03,532 --> 01:20:06,412
Speaker 2: gigs and decided they needed a manager. We were at

1558
01:20:06,452 --> 01:20:09,133
Speaker 2: all the gigs in any case, so it since and

1559
01:20:09,173 --> 01:20:11,093
Speaker 2: I took on the role. That's when Grant Robertson became

1560
01:20:11,133 --> 01:20:14,133
Speaker 2: the manager of our band. My main idea was to

1561
01:20:14,133 --> 01:20:16,412
Speaker 2: get them in front of schools where their boyish good

1562
01:20:16,412 --> 01:20:20,093
Speaker 2: looks and cheekiness would go down. Well, I still hold

1563
01:20:20,133 --> 01:20:22,452
Speaker 2: on to those boys. Yeah this is good, I said

1564
01:20:22,492 --> 01:20:25,093
Speaker 2: about organizing a tour of the North Island in the

1565
01:20:25,093 --> 01:20:27,973
Speaker 2: earliest days of the internet. This was quite an undertaking.

1566
01:20:29,093 --> 01:20:31,812
Speaker 2: The fax machine at the OUSA got a hammering, but

1567
01:20:31,893 --> 01:20:35,013
Speaker 2: the tour came together well. And then a week or

1568
01:20:35,053 --> 01:20:37,293
Speaker 2: two out before the dude date to leave, one of

1569
01:20:37,293 --> 01:20:39,812
Speaker 2: the kid Eternity members was unable to go. Who was

1570
01:20:39,853 --> 01:20:42,572
Speaker 2: that probably came. The rest of the band did not

1571
01:20:42,612 --> 01:20:47,452
Speaker 2: seem too concerned about the whole tour being canceled. But

1572
01:20:47,532 --> 01:20:49,732
Speaker 2: by this stage I was two hundred dollars out of pocket.

1573
01:20:49,973 --> 01:20:52,732
Speaker 2: I was not impressed. Of course, never got the money back.

1574
01:20:52,853 --> 01:20:55,253
Speaker 2: But years later, when one of the band members met

1575
01:20:55,293 --> 01:20:58,253
Speaker 2: he made himself famous on radio. It was a staple

1576
01:20:58,293 --> 01:21:01,213
Speaker 2: gag of my appearances on his breakfast show that he

1577
01:21:01,293 --> 01:21:03,612
Speaker 2: owed me money. I'm still waiting for that to be

1578
01:21:03,652 --> 01:21:04,133
Speaker 2: paid back.

1579
01:21:04,893 --> 01:21:07,293
Speaker 3: Hold on to that two hundred bucks, yeah, I mean, grant,

1580
01:21:07,293 --> 01:21:08,532
Speaker 3: if you want that, you've got to come to the

1581
01:21:08,612 --> 01:21:11,133
Speaker 3: ZB studio and come and grab it from his cold

1582
01:21:11,133 --> 01:21:13,133
Speaker 3: dead fingers. You're going to keep that two hundred bucks.

1583
01:21:13,173 --> 01:21:16,732
Speaker 2: I dispute that I owned two hundred bucks, particularly me

1584
01:21:17,133 --> 01:21:19,732
Speaker 2: out of the other form of was the band that's

1585
01:21:19,732 --> 01:21:21,612
Speaker 2: sounding I'm taking him to court.

1586
01:21:21,692 --> 01:21:23,492
Speaker 3: It's a team effort. But what was their line? What

1587
01:21:23,572 --> 01:21:28,173
Speaker 3: they lacked for musical acumen? They made up in boys charm? Yeah,

1588
01:21:28,213 --> 01:21:29,253
Speaker 3: and some things never changed.

1589
01:21:29,692 --> 01:21:31,973
Speaker 2: And also look at this line. Here he goes a

1590
01:21:32,133 --> 01:21:34,652
Speaker 2: band called Kid Attorney. It's good they modeled themselves on

1591
01:21:34,692 --> 01:21:36,732
Speaker 2: the Three D's. One of the best of the later

1592
01:21:36,772 --> 01:21:40,213
Speaker 2: phase of the Dunedin bands. So it's not saying we

1593
01:21:40,213 --> 01:21:42,212
Speaker 2: were any good. It was saying that we modeled themselves

1594
01:21:42,213 --> 01:21:43,452
Speaker 2: in a band that was quite good.

1595
01:21:44,213 --> 01:21:47,652
Speaker 3: Oh that's fantastic. I'm reading that book just for that chapter. Right,

1596
01:21:47,772 --> 01:21:51,093
Speaker 3: this is going to be a fun conversation. So there

1597
01:21:51,133 --> 01:21:53,333
Speaker 3: was an article about kids chores that was part of

1598
01:21:53,333 --> 01:21:56,612
Speaker 3: the Girls Interrupted podcast Brody Kane and a couple of others,

1599
01:21:56,933 --> 01:21:59,572
Speaker 3: and they were talking about what chores kids should be

1600
01:21:59,652 --> 01:22:02,772
Speaker 3: doing and what chores you did as a kid. Now,

1601
01:22:02,933 --> 01:22:05,012
Speaker 3: just mention this part because this is weird from Brody

1602
01:22:05,093 --> 01:22:08,852
Speaker 3: Kane herself. So she mentioned an unusual childhood or she

1603
01:22:08,933 --> 01:22:12,372
Speaker 3: had her mom, and her mom's a joe. She's a

1604
01:22:12,412 --> 01:22:15,732
Speaker 3: fantastic woman. Her mom would pay her fifty cents tartickle

1605
01:22:15,772 --> 01:22:18,213
Speaker 3: her feet is one of the chores that is weird,

1606
01:22:18,333 --> 01:22:18,692
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1607
01:22:19,492 --> 01:22:23,572
Speaker 2: That's that's poor pay for that job. Certainly is well,

1608
01:22:23,612 --> 01:22:28,012
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about her mum's feet, but well,

1609
01:22:28,053 --> 01:22:30,173
Speaker 2: you know, and the whole chore thing's an interesting thing

1610
01:22:30,213 --> 01:22:32,333
Speaker 2: because I see a lot of my friends' kids don't

1611
01:22:32,333 --> 01:22:35,732
Speaker 2: do any chores at all, don't get asked to do anything,

1612
01:22:35,772 --> 01:22:38,852
Speaker 2: not even take out the rubbish. I think you've got

1613
01:22:38,853 --> 01:22:40,572
Speaker 2: to force your kids to do chores.

1614
01:22:40,612 --> 01:22:40,692
Speaker 1: One.

1615
01:22:41,532 --> 01:22:44,372
Speaker 2: So this morning I was down in the den and

1616
01:22:44,452 --> 01:22:47,213
Speaker 2: I heard up the stairs in the kitchen like the

1617
01:22:47,213 --> 01:22:49,892
Speaker 2: most beautiful sound I've ever heard of my life. And

1618
01:22:49,933 --> 01:22:52,652
Speaker 2: it was my son unpacking the dishwasher.

1619
01:22:52,732 --> 01:22:54,973
Speaker 3: Oh that's music, so father's ears.

1620
01:22:55,013 --> 01:22:59,173
Speaker 2: And I just thought, finally, because normally, what happens with

1621
01:22:59,213 --> 01:23:02,852
Speaker 2: the dishwasher, as I was saying before, is if one

1622
01:23:02,853 --> 01:23:05,213
Speaker 2: of my kids comes across the dishwasher and it's full,

1623
01:23:05,652 --> 01:23:07,492
Speaker 2: they just pretend they didn't open it, and then they

1624
01:23:07,532 --> 01:23:10,893
Speaker 2: go on about things. But chores, Yeah, I mean, what

1625
01:23:11,372 --> 01:23:13,532
Speaker 2: are the absolute basics. When I was a kid, mowing

1626
01:23:13,572 --> 01:23:16,293
Speaker 2: the lawn huge Yep, yeah, I had to. I had

1627
01:23:16,333 --> 01:23:18,972
Speaker 2: to mow the lawn. And on our farm, those lawns

1628
01:23:18,973 --> 01:23:22,213
Speaker 2: were massive. It was an a care. It took it

1629
01:23:22,253 --> 01:23:28,133
Speaker 2: took three hours, and that's and that's because I was

1630
01:23:28,133 --> 01:23:30,652
Speaker 2: trying to rock through the cabbatry leaves and would always

1631
01:23:30,652 --> 01:23:32,892
Speaker 2: get wound around the bottom of it. And then at dinner,

1632
01:23:33,173 --> 01:23:34,812
Speaker 2: my dad would go, he'd sit down at the dinner

1633
01:23:34,812 --> 01:23:37,972
Speaker 2: table and you go, saw that you did the lawns.

1634
01:23:38,933 --> 01:23:42,692
Speaker 2: Not happy with the hedge line, not happy with us,

1635
01:23:42,732 --> 01:23:44,212
Speaker 2: and just list the thing of problems.

1636
01:23:44,253 --> 01:23:45,812
Speaker 3: Fair enough, you've got to nail the HDGE line. You

1637
01:23:45,812 --> 01:23:47,213
Speaker 3: can't be mucking around with the HDGE line.

1638
01:23:47,253 --> 01:23:48,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I never got paid for the chores.

1639
01:23:48,973 --> 01:23:51,093
Speaker 3: That's your thing, and that is the key, because I

1640
01:23:51,133 --> 01:23:53,333
Speaker 3: never got I never got money for my chores as well.

1641
01:23:53,372 --> 01:23:55,412
Speaker 3: There was no such thing as pocket money. No, you

1642
01:23:55,452 --> 01:23:57,293
Speaker 3: just did what you needed to do. And Dad's line

1643
01:23:57,333 --> 01:23:59,732
Speaker 3: was always the same, say, you're in my house, you

1644
01:23:59,772 --> 01:24:02,612
Speaker 3: do your chores, and your payment is food on the table, tyler,

1645
01:24:02,772 --> 01:24:05,293
Speaker 3: you want to eat here, that's your payments. Yeah, enough

1646
01:24:05,333 --> 01:24:06,452
Speaker 3: to an idea that.

1647
01:24:06,412 --> 01:24:08,972
Speaker 2: You have to pay for the chores as a new thing.

1648
01:24:09,532 --> 01:24:11,812
Speaker 2: So I mean, and what chores are you making your

1649
01:24:11,853 --> 01:24:14,773
Speaker 2: kids do? And what are you paying them for? Because

1650
01:24:16,732 --> 01:24:19,532
Speaker 2: because you know, rolling the rubbish bins out, rolling the

1651
01:24:19,572 --> 01:24:24,652
Speaker 2: wheelibins out right, Yeah, that's something that every every teenager

1652
01:24:24,692 --> 01:24:26,932
Speaker 2: should do. What age from eight? As soon as you're

1653
01:24:26,933 --> 01:24:29,013
Speaker 2: big enough to roll the wheelibins out, that becomes one

1654
01:24:29,013 --> 01:24:30,133
Speaker 2: of the children's jobs.

1655
01:24:29,893 --> 01:24:32,692
Speaker 3: Right absolutely. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Do

1656
01:24:32,732 --> 01:24:34,972
Speaker 3: you pay your kids pocket money? Are they still still

1657
01:24:35,013 --> 01:24:37,412
Speaker 3: doing chores or are chores a bit of a thing

1658
01:24:37,492 --> 01:24:39,013
Speaker 3: of the past. Love to hear from you I eight

1659
01:24:39,133 --> 01:24:41,173
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Nine

1660
01:24:41,173 --> 01:24:41,812
Speaker 3: two ninety two.

1661
01:24:42,053 --> 01:24:44,932
Speaker 2: What are the absolute basics that you should force your

1662
01:24:44,973 --> 01:24:45,412
Speaker 2: kids to do?

1663
01:24:45,492 --> 01:24:48,732
Speaker 3: Twelve past three US talks. It'd be very good afternoons.

1664
01:24:48,732 --> 01:24:50,572
Speaker 3: You it is a quarter past three and we're talking

1665
01:24:50,612 --> 01:24:52,932
Speaker 3: about chores for the kids. What chores do you make

1666
01:24:52,973 --> 01:24:55,612
Speaker 3: the kids do? What are the bear necessity chores that

1667
01:24:55,692 --> 01:24:58,412
Speaker 3: could should be doing in your household? And what were

1668
01:24:58,412 --> 01:24:59,812
Speaker 3: your favorite chores when you're a kid? I eight one

1669
01:24:59,853 --> 01:25:00,732
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty.

1670
01:25:00,812 --> 01:25:01,972
Speaker 2: Well your favorite chores?

1671
01:25:02,133 --> 01:25:04,053
Speaker 3: H did have a favorite chore? Did you want me

1672
01:25:04,093 --> 01:25:04,732
Speaker 3: to tell you right now?

1673
01:25:04,812 --> 01:25:05,012
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1674
01:25:05,013 --> 01:25:06,812
Speaker 3: Well, me and my brothers fought over who got to

1675
01:25:06,853 --> 01:25:10,412
Speaker 3: do it the incinerator. Yeah, that was a great job,

1676
01:25:10,732 --> 01:25:12,293
Speaker 3: just burning the hell out of all the rubbish.

1677
01:25:12,452 --> 01:25:14,172
Speaker 2: I like lighting the gorse fires.

1678
01:25:14,853 --> 01:25:17,333
Speaker 3: That's a fun on the farm, anything to do with fire.

1679
01:25:18,333 --> 01:25:20,013
Speaker 2: But I was also in charge of running down the

1680
01:25:20,093 --> 01:25:22,452
Speaker 2: hill to tell the fire engines when they arrived that

1681
01:25:22,492 --> 01:25:25,253
Speaker 2: it was a it was a permitted fire. Actually, I

1682
01:25:25,293 --> 01:25:28,612
Speaker 2: actually liked that job, telling them running up and knocking

1683
01:25:28,692 --> 01:25:33,372
Speaker 2: on the fireman not a responsibility someone twenty kilomes of

1684
01:25:33,412 --> 01:25:36,412
Speaker 2: those sort of the fire and accord it. Our kids

1685
01:25:36,572 --> 01:25:39,732
Speaker 2: should do chores, No, they shouldn't. You are the parent,

1686
01:25:39,812 --> 01:25:42,253
Speaker 2: you look after them, not the other way around. Well,

1687
01:25:42,372 --> 01:25:44,932
Speaker 2: sometimes i'd say to that text to that you are

1688
01:25:44,973 --> 01:25:48,372
Speaker 2: looking after them by making them doing do chores. You

1689
01:25:48,412 --> 01:25:50,812
Speaker 2: know this Texas says slave labor is the only reason

1690
01:25:50,812 --> 01:25:53,973
Speaker 2: why you have kids. That's from Willie. Yeah, But I mean, like,

1691
01:25:54,333 --> 01:25:56,973
Speaker 2: and this other text plays into this. Well, chores no

1692
01:25:57,053 --> 01:26:00,172
Speaker 2: way easier to do it myself than the endless arguments.

1693
01:26:00,933 --> 01:26:03,852
Speaker 2: So you're not Actually, I mean, maybe my dad didn't

1694
01:26:03,853 --> 01:26:05,532
Speaker 2: make me mow the lawns because he couldn't be bothered, well,

1695
01:26:05,532 --> 01:26:07,372
Speaker 2: not could be bothered. He would been outworking doing something

1696
01:26:07,412 --> 01:26:10,213
Speaker 2: else more complicated. But I think isn't one of the

1697
01:26:10,253 --> 01:26:12,333
Speaker 2: main reasons. Well, what I've always thought in my head

1698
01:26:12,372 --> 01:26:13,852
Speaker 2: that the main reason why you get your kids to

1699
01:26:13,853 --> 01:26:16,892
Speaker 2: do chores is you make them a person that is

1700
01:26:16,973 --> 01:26:20,333
Speaker 2: capable of doing things you ghar them for life, not

1701
01:26:20,412 --> 01:26:21,652
Speaker 2: just being a lazy piece scrap.

1702
01:26:21,812 --> 01:26:23,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you let your kids walk all over you,

1703
01:26:24,253 --> 01:26:25,973
Speaker 3: I mean, how are they going to go in the

1704
01:26:25,973 --> 01:26:29,173
Speaker 3: real world? This is interesting today guys. I still make

1705
01:26:29,213 --> 01:26:32,372
Speaker 3: my kids set the table. That sounds like a common chore.

1706
01:26:32,692 --> 01:26:35,852
Speaker 3: But I'm surprised how many of friends of a similar age.

1707
01:26:35,853 --> 01:26:39,452
Speaker 3: I'm in my thirties do not do that simple task anymore.

1708
01:26:39,572 --> 01:26:42,452
Speaker 3: It's such a beautiful thing to set the table. The

1709
01:26:42,532 --> 01:26:45,252
Speaker 3: kids get to have a go at it on a rotation,

1710
01:26:46,173 --> 01:26:48,692
Speaker 3: but it's still a lovely part of our household that

1711
01:26:48,732 --> 01:26:51,173
Speaker 3: we all sit down for dinner and the kids are

1712
01:26:51,173 --> 01:26:52,852
Speaker 3: there making sure it's all ready to go.

1713
01:26:53,093 --> 01:26:54,852
Speaker 2: I remembering asked to set the table and be like,

1714
01:26:54,893 --> 01:27:00,412
Speaker 2: oh God, get out the place mats, sit at the table,

1715
01:27:00,492 --> 01:27:02,173
Speaker 2: and then you know, and then and then what you

1716
01:27:02,213 --> 01:27:03,572
Speaker 2: do is you put the place mats around, You put

1717
01:27:03,612 --> 01:27:05,893
Speaker 2: the tables down, and then you just have half the

1718
01:27:05,933 --> 01:27:08,253
Speaker 2: knives and forks into the middle and you go. They go, No,

1719
01:27:08,452 --> 01:27:11,213
Speaker 2: put them around they can. People can grab them from

1720
01:27:11,213 --> 01:27:11,652
Speaker 2: the middle.

1721
01:27:13,692 --> 01:27:16,293
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1722
01:27:16,372 --> 01:27:20,572
Speaker 3: the number to call. Here's an interesting text, kiday. Guys,

1723
01:27:21,333 --> 01:27:24,652
Speaker 3: My four year old does the following independently when asked.

1724
01:27:25,253 --> 01:27:27,692
Speaker 3: He puts his dirty clothes in the hamper, puts all

1725
01:27:27,732 --> 01:27:31,012
Speaker 3: his books away in the bedroom, puts everyone's shoes away,

1726
01:27:31,612 --> 01:27:34,412
Speaker 3: scouts the house, and brings any stray dishes. When I'm

1727
01:27:34,412 --> 01:27:37,532
Speaker 3: loading the dishwasher, sets the table for dinner, wipes down

1728
01:27:37,612 --> 01:27:42,093
Speaker 3: surfaces he can reach spot, cleans the floor with the

1729
01:27:42,173 --> 01:27:45,492
Speaker 3: little hand held duster, cleans up Spells. Puts his own

1730
01:27:45,492 --> 01:27:48,692
Speaker 3: wrappers in the bin after snacks at four years old yard,

1731
01:27:49,133 --> 01:27:49,812
Speaker 3: No way.

1732
01:27:49,973 --> 01:27:51,053
Speaker 2: There's a little Cinderella.

1733
01:27:51,812 --> 01:27:55,973
Speaker 3: A little Cinderella. You were working that four year old jeepers.

1734
01:27:56,173 --> 01:27:57,732
Speaker 3: That's going back to the industrial age.

1735
01:27:57,853 --> 01:28:02,293
Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty good. My teenage boys' brains are closed

1736
01:28:02,293 --> 01:28:07,173
Speaker 2: for renovation. So chores are a little if any, which

1737
01:28:07,173 --> 01:28:11,092
Speaker 2: I'm okay with. They do their best regards. My kids

1738
01:28:11,093 --> 01:28:13,812
Speaker 2: had to earn half of extra things they wanted. Taught

1739
01:28:13,812 --> 01:28:16,732
Speaker 2: them nothing comes without hard work. They all have six

1740
01:28:16,772 --> 01:28:20,172
Speaker 2: figure jobs now. I don't, however, have an extreme aversion

1741
01:28:20,173 --> 01:28:22,692
Speaker 2: to picking up dog vomit, so that could earn their

1742
01:28:22,732 --> 01:28:26,692
Speaker 2: maximum funds eg. Twenty or twenty bucks. See paying for chores.

1743
01:28:26,692 --> 01:28:28,492
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think you don't pay for chores.

1744
01:28:29,612 --> 01:28:31,612
Speaker 2: I don't think you pay kids for chors. But then,

1745
01:28:31,692 --> 01:28:34,772
Speaker 2: because there's always you get into that negotiation with your parents.

1746
01:28:34,933 --> 01:28:37,132
Speaker 2: And when I was visiting my dad and Dunedin recently,

1747
01:28:37,173 --> 01:28:39,253
Speaker 2: he pulled up this form and it was like an

1748
01:28:39,293 --> 01:28:43,452
Speaker 2: iou Dad for thirty hours work on the farm.

1749
01:28:43,612 --> 01:28:43,772
Speaker 3: Yep.

1750
01:28:43,973 --> 01:28:47,213
Speaker 2: And we were trying to work out he'd kept.

1751
01:28:47,093 --> 01:28:48,973
Speaker 3: What was the work. That's a lot of money. He

1752
01:28:49,053 --> 01:28:49,732
Speaker 3: makes a lot of work.

1753
01:28:49,772 --> 01:28:51,612
Speaker 2: And I was like, did I do that, yeah, because

1754
01:28:51,612 --> 01:28:53,412
Speaker 2: it would have been something I want this. I don't know,

1755
01:28:53,893 --> 01:28:55,892
Speaker 2: I want a bike or something. And he goes, okay,

1756
01:28:55,933 --> 01:28:58,492
Speaker 2: well that's work. But that was different. But that was

1757
01:28:58,812 --> 01:29:01,133
Speaker 2: additional stuff to taking out the rubbish and mowing the

1758
01:29:01,213 --> 01:29:01,852
Speaker 2: lawns and such.

1759
01:29:01,973 --> 01:29:04,293
Speaker 3: Yeah. There was only one job that Dad actually offered

1760
01:29:04,372 --> 01:29:07,253
Speaker 3: us cash, and it was to stack the firewood. And

1761
01:29:07,293 --> 01:29:09,572
Speaker 3: he always said to the brothers, right, whoever wants this

1762
01:29:09,652 --> 01:29:11,732
Speaker 3: job is going to get ten bucks. But that was

1763
01:29:11,772 --> 01:29:13,173
Speaker 3: quite a smart way to do it because he just

1764
01:29:13,213 --> 01:29:16,213
Speaker 3: wanted it done and ten bucks to make us. Me

1765
01:29:16,253 --> 01:29:18,213
Speaker 3: and my brothers fight over who's going to stack the wood.

1766
01:29:18,412 --> 01:29:20,452
Speaker 3: But that was a crap job. I hated stacking the wood,

1767
01:29:20,452 --> 01:29:22,293
Speaker 3: but ten bucks was ten bucks. There was a lot

1768
01:29:22,293 --> 01:29:22,732
Speaker 3: of money.

1769
01:29:23,253 --> 01:29:26,013
Speaker 2: I made some dangerous like that you shouldn't do this.

1770
01:29:26,053 --> 01:29:27,852
Speaker 2: So I found out. You know, when you're stacking a

1771
01:29:27,933 --> 01:29:29,812
Speaker 2: huge amount of wood for the whole of winter and

1772
01:29:29,893 --> 01:29:32,933
Speaker 2: you make a little wood cabin insider, yes, yeah, and

1773
01:29:32,973 --> 01:29:34,652
Speaker 2: then and then you put it in there and then

1774
01:29:34,692 --> 01:29:36,852
Speaker 2: your dad comes out and goes you'll get gold in

1775
01:29:36,893 --> 01:29:39,932
Speaker 2: there because you've made this really it's not a fort.

1776
01:29:40,213 --> 01:29:41,772
Speaker 2: You've made this really unsafe.

1777
01:29:41,812 --> 01:29:42,052
Speaker 15: Force.

1778
01:29:42,532 --> 01:29:45,333
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties number to call Darcy, Welcome.

1779
01:29:45,133 --> 01:29:45,492
Speaker 2: To the shay.

1780
01:29:46,333 --> 01:29:47,692
Speaker 11: Hey gooy Matt, how can you brother?

1781
01:29:48,133 --> 01:29:50,652
Speaker 2: Very good? Think you your thoughts on chores?

1782
01:29:51,572 --> 01:29:54,053
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, I've got a I've got a seventeen year

1783
01:29:54,053 --> 01:29:56,893
Speaker 11: old son, man, and I'm all for him doing challs.

1784
01:29:57,333 --> 01:29:59,412
Speaker 11: I'll been making him do chall since he was probably

1785
01:29:59,452 --> 01:30:02,652
Speaker 11: about twelve thirteen years old, mainly for the reasons what

1786
01:30:02,692 --> 01:30:04,253
Speaker 11: you say, man, I mean, I just want to make

1787
01:30:04,293 --> 01:30:06,093
Speaker 11: sure when he leaves home and he knows how to

1788
01:30:06,133 --> 01:30:07,052
Speaker 11: look after himself.

1789
01:30:08,572 --> 01:30:11,013
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what are the lists of chores that he

1790
01:30:11,053 --> 01:30:11,572
Speaker 2: has to do?

1791
01:30:12,612 --> 01:30:15,093
Speaker 11: Well, nothing too complicated, man, but yeah, going back to

1792
01:30:15,133 --> 01:30:18,253
Speaker 11: the dishwasher, that's that's first and foremost. You always have

1793
01:30:18,333 --> 01:30:21,133
Speaker 11: to do the dishwasher. And every single night he always

1794
01:30:21,173 --> 01:30:23,892
Speaker 11: does the dishes without sale and then and he does

1795
01:30:23,933 --> 01:30:25,093
Speaker 11: get some pocket money as well.

1796
01:30:25,692 --> 01:30:28,333
Speaker 2: So does he do the dishes without argument? He just

1797
01:30:28,372 --> 01:30:29,692
Speaker 2: goes up and does it on his own volition.

1798
01:30:29,853 --> 01:30:32,052
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, he's been doing it since he was thirteen,

1799
01:30:32,093 --> 01:30:33,213
Speaker 11: so he put up a bit of a fight for

1800
01:30:33,293 --> 01:30:36,733
Speaker 11: the first couple of months, but he's over it now

1801
01:30:36,812 --> 01:30:38,612
Speaker 11: it's just the normal. Yeah, he'll do it every night.

1802
01:30:38,652 --> 01:30:40,092
Speaker 11: I don't even need to ask him anymore.

1803
01:30:40,772 --> 01:30:42,053
Speaker 2: Is that your only child? Does he?

1804
01:30:43,013 --> 01:30:45,253
Speaker 11: No, I've got I've got three, but the other two

1805
01:30:45,333 --> 01:30:47,213
Speaker 11: are both under five, So I haven't got this.

1806
01:30:49,532 --> 01:30:52,173
Speaker 2: Because because what annoyed me is annoyed me is I

1807
01:30:52,213 --> 01:30:53,932
Speaker 2: had three sisters and they all put up their hand

1808
01:30:53,933 --> 01:30:55,452
Speaker 2: and said I want to cook dinner. And it was

1809
01:30:55,492 --> 01:30:59,492
Speaker 2: a result. I was the dishes guy always because were

1810
01:30:59,532 --> 01:31:02,692
Speaker 2: so enthusiastic about cooking. And then what got me, I'm

1811
01:31:02,692 --> 01:31:04,652
Speaker 2: going to I'm going to be about to relitigate some

1812
01:31:04,692 --> 01:31:05,133
Speaker 2: stuff here.

1813
01:31:05,213 --> 01:31:05,892
Speaker 3: It's going to be good.

1814
01:31:05,973 --> 01:31:08,692
Speaker 2: If you don't do the dishes for your cooking, then

1815
01:31:08,732 --> 01:31:11,932
Speaker 2: you'll use every goddamn pot in the entire kitchen because

1816
01:31:11,973 --> 01:31:14,492
Speaker 2: you've got nothing to lose by just making the biggest

1817
01:31:14,532 --> 01:31:16,892
Speaker 2: mess of all time, because you know that poor little

1818
01:31:16,933 --> 01:31:19,253
Speaker 2: Matt has to go in there after bloody dinner and

1819
01:31:19,293 --> 01:31:19,852
Speaker 2: clean it up.

1820
01:31:20,213 --> 01:31:20,652
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1821
01:31:20,732 --> 01:31:23,213
Speaker 11: Yeah, But being on man, it was always it was

1822
01:31:23,213 --> 01:31:25,692
Speaker 11: always an argument with my siblings about who was washing

1823
01:31:25,692 --> 01:31:28,452
Speaker 11: and drying I mean, everyone'd always wanted to wash and

1824
01:31:28,452 --> 01:31:30,173
Speaker 11: no one wanted to dry, so I was always the

1825
01:31:30,173 --> 01:31:31,092
Speaker 11: one doing the drying.

1826
01:31:31,213 --> 01:31:33,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, the washing was the easy job. You got warm

1827
01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:35,452
Speaker 3: hands of its, and winter you could smash through it.

1828
01:31:35,572 --> 01:31:37,372
Speaker 3: And then you'd laugh at your sibling while they were

1829
01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:39,892
Speaker 3: trying all those dishes for hours on end.

1830
01:31:40,013 --> 01:31:42,333
Speaker 2: Well, we're really RELI getting things. I just want to say.

1831
01:31:42,452 --> 01:31:44,612
Speaker 2: My parents had these bone handled knives that couldn't go

1832
01:31:44,652 --> 01:31:46,213
Speaker 2: through the dishwasher, so I had to wash it and

1833
01:31:46,293 --> 01:31:48,812
Speaker 2: dry them every night. And I'd go, why can't we

1834
01:31:48,933 --> 01:31:53,412
Speaker 2: just keep the bone handle knives for special occasions and

1835
01:31:53,532 --> 01:31:57,613
Speaker 2: buy some knives and forks that can go through the dishwasher,

1836
01:31:58,333 --> 01:32:01,932
Speaker 2: or just run the bonehandled knives so the dishwasher, mom

1837
01:32:01,973 --> 01:32:05,253
Speaker 2: and Dad until they're broken, and then buy some new ones.

1838
01:32:05,293 --> 01:32:08,692
Speaker 2: Because you're working with like a goddamn slave here, bloody

1839
01:32:08,732 --> 01:32:11,133
Speaker 2: washing these bonehandled knives anymore? Who cares if they're knives

1840
01:32:11,133 --> 01:32:13,412
Speaker 2: are bone handled until they get to university and they

1841
01:32:13,532 --> 01:32:14,412
Speaker 2: using them for other things.

1842
01:32:14,452 --> 01:32:16,293
Speaker 3: Let it out, mate, let it out. You've been holding

1843
01:32:16,333 --> 01:32:17,372
Speaker 3: on today for some time.

1844
01:32:17,893 --> 01:32:22,372
Speaker 2: It's a lot a lot of mild brother, Thanks for

1845
01:32:22,372 --> 01:32:25,293
Speaker 2: your coold Yeah, what a great call. A lot of low,

1846
01:32:25,652 --> 01:32:27,252
Speaker 2: low key childhood Touma.

1847
01:32:28,173 --> 01:32:31,572
Speaker 3: It is twenty two Part three. Keen to hear from you.

1848
01:32:31,612 --> 01:32:33,932
Speaker 3: The phone lines are full at the moment, but keep trying.

1849
01:32:33,933 --> 01:32:35,613
Speaker 3: O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1850
01:32:39,372 --> 01:32:43,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1851
01:32:43,133 --> 01:32:44,852
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk said.

1852
01:32:44,692 --> 01:32:47,412
Speaker 3: Be afternoon, it's twenty five past three. We're talking about

1853
01:32:47,492 --> 01:32:49,852
Speaker 3: chores for the kids. Some great teachs coming through Hey.

1854
01:32:49,933 --> 01:32:51,692
Speaker 2: As a teacher, of the kids who do chores are

1855
01:32:51,692 --> 01:32:54,213
Speaker 2: the best in most cases. They are organized, responsible, know

1856
01:32:54,253 --> 01:32:56,452
Speaker 2: how to be part of the team and show initiative.

1857
01:32:56,692 --> 01:32:59,532
Speaker 2: Give them, give them, class of them every time over.

1858
01:32:59,612 --> 01:33:01,772
Speaker 2: Kids who don't give me a class of them every

1859
01:33:01,772 --> 01:33:05,293
Speaker 2: time over kids who don't do chores. Also, research proves

1860
01:33:05,333 --> 01:33:08,772
Speaker 2: pre schulers preschoolers love helping out the best way to teach,

1861
01:33:08,853 --> 01:33:12,333
Speaker 2: being part of the FUNO team and contributing to where

1862
01:33:12,372 --> 01:33:15,053
Speaker 2: they love slash work. That's from TJ. Thank you for

1863
01:33:15,093 --> 01:33:18,293
Speaker 2: your text, Nathan, Welcome to the show here you guys,

1864
01:33:18,333 --> 01:33:19,692
Speaker 2: you're right, very good.

1865
01:33:21,333 --> 01:33:24,012
Speaker 10: I'm an appliance for pairmen in Donedin and the number

1866
01:33:24,013 --> 01:33:26,532
Speaker 10: of UNI students that do not know how to ham

1867
01:33:26,732 --> 01:33:32,973
Speaker 10: washed dishes is actually insane. First first lot I ever met,

1868
01:33:33,093 --> 01:33:34,932
Speaker 10: first week when I moved down here nine years ago,

1869
01:33:35,093 --> 01:33:40,933
Speaker 10: was four boys first year's first time flooding and dishwasher

1870
01:33:40,933 --> 01:33:42,572
Speaker 10: broke down. I said, oh, I've got to get a part.

1871
01:33:42,612 --> 01:33:45,612
Speaker 10: I'll see you in a week. Hang on, well, how

1872
01:33:45,612 --> 01:33:47,932
Speaker 10: do we do dishes? I thought that put my leg

1873
01:33:48,612 --> 01:33:51,612
Speaker 10: I said, mate, but a dish washing liquid or we

1874
01:33:51,692 --> 01:33:54,532
Speaker 10: don't know how well, you've got to be kidding me.

1875
01:33:54,893 --> 01:33:57,253
Speaker 10: But then there was the flatter girls only a year

1876
01:33:57,253 --> 01:34:01,452
Speaker 10: ago that asked why the shower was backing up. I said, oh, no,

1877
01:34:01,572 --> 01:34:03,532
Speaker 10: here we go, went in there, got my hook, pulled

1878
01:34:03,572 --> 01:34:05,452
Speaker 10: out the plug and there was a sausage of hair

1879
01:34:05,532 --> 01:34:12,412
Speaker 10: in it. Oh so parents, grand parents, please show them

1880
01:34:12,452 --> 01:34:16,372
Speaker 10: how to to, oh take the hair out of the shower,

1881
01:34:16,772 --> 01:34:19,412
Speaker 10: how to use not only the dishwasher but also a

1882
01:34:19,412 --> 01:34:22,612
Speaker 10: bit of sunlight liquid, but also how to pick up

1883
01:34:22,612 --> 01:34:25,852
Speaker 10: a mop. The number of kitchens I've had to kneel

1884
01:34:25,893 --> 01:34:30,853
Speaker 10: down and then peel myself off the sticky floors is insane.

1885
01:34:30,933 --> 01:34:34,692
Speaker 10: It just look it does my head. Or here's one

1886
01:34:35,333 --> 01:34:37,293
Speaker 10: when I told the student that they do not need

1887
01:34:37,333 --> 01:34:41,053
Speaker 10: to use two scoops for a pair of undies in

1888
01:34:41,093 --> 01:34:44,652
Speaker 10: the washing machine about it, you know, so they wondered

1889
01:34:44,652 --> 01:34:52,612
Speaker 10: what that was machine broke out. They don't wring their

1890
01:34:52,652 --> 01:34:55,613
Speaker 10: parents and ask for help because they're young and independent

1891
01:34:55,893 --> 01:34:57,892
Speaker 10: and doing this adulting thing.

1892
01:34:57,933 --> 01:34:58,133
Speaker 8: You know.

1893
01:35:00,093 --> 01:35:02,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think doing your own washing is

1894
01:35:02,253 --> 01:35:05,412
Speaker 2: quite a high level of skill for a teenager. For

1895
01:35:05,452 --> 01:35:07,933
Speaker 2: some reason, it takes them quite a while to do it.

1896
01:35:07,933 --> 01:35:10,492
Speaker 2: If you're nage boy, you rather than do your washing,

1897
01:35:10,732 --> 01:35:15,893
Speaker 2: you're willing to go quite a long time just stinking.

1898
01:35:16,133 --> 01:35:21,293
Speaker 10: Well, in this age of YouTube, there's no use get

1899
01:35:21,372 --> 01:35:23,732
Speaker 10: on there. There's there's help for how to boil an

1900
01:35:23,772 --> 01:35:26,932
Speaker 10: egg a little alone, how to how to use your

1901
01:35:26,973 --> 01:35:28,732
Speaker 10: washing machine, and then there's that little thing called the

1902
01:35:28,732 --> 01:35:29,652
Speaker 10: instruction manual.

1903
01:35:30,612 --> 01:35:34,612
Speaker 2: Yeah you figure it out.

1904
01:35:35,492 --> 01:35:41,173
Speaker 10: Yeah, how to unplug the here and the share is

1905
01:35:41,213 --> 01:35:44,932
Speaker 10: a must? Yeah, absolutely, And they're splashing it for two

1906
01:35:45,053 --> 01:35:47,092
Speaker 10: months before they even thought to ask anyway.

1907
01:35:47,093 --> 01:35:49,452
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. And there and there I mean, and that's

1908
01:35:49,492 --> 01:35:52,933
Speaker 2: a great recipe to get the athletes loop going right

1909
01:35:53,973 --> 01:35:57,333
Speaker 2: right through the flats. I wonder if there's directions, you know,

1910
01:35:57,372 --> 01:35:59,532
Speaker 2: most products have directions, are their directions on how to

1911
01:35:59,572 --> 01:36:03,692
Speaker 2: watch wash dishes on the back of your your sunlight question.

1912
01:36:04,333 --> 01:36:05,653
Speaker 20: They assume that people.

1913
01:36:05,372 --> 01:36:05,892
Speaker 10: Have a brain.

1914
01:36:07,053 --> 01:36:08,293
Speaker 2: That's that's a risky assumption.

1915
01:36:08,612 --> 01:36:13,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nathan, Carolyn, how are you?

1916
01:36:13,973 --> 01:36:14,532
Speaker 11: Oh, I'm good.

1917
01:36:14,532 --> 01:36:15,812
Speaker 14: Thanks, yep, I'm good speaking.

1918
01:36:16,053 --> 01:36:17,692
Speaker 3: Now, what were the chores that you had to do?

1919
01:36:18,572 --> 01:36:18,732
Speaker 24: Oh?

1920
01:36:18,812 --> 01:36:23,212
Speaker 14: Well, you know, everything like stacking the wood, doing the dishes,

1921
01:36:25,173 --> 01:36:30,932
Speaker 14: feeding the dogs, making my bed. Yep, you know, all

1922
01:36:30,973 --> 01:36:33,133
Speaker 14: that sort of basic thing. But my mum is still

1923
01:36:33,173 --> 01:36:36,412
Speaker 14: alive and she's ninety eight. She's in an old people's

1924
01:36:36,412 --> 01:36:39,852
Speaker 14: home and she loves telling the girl from the weekend

1925
01:36:40,732 --> 01:36:45,892
Speaker 14: to show initiatives and they go, what's initiative? They've never

1926
01:36:45,933 --> 01:36:48,612
Speaker 14: heard of that word, and so she explained she has

1927
01:36:48,692 --> 01:36:53,612
Speaker 14: to give them little lessons on what initiatives is, seeing

1928
01:36:53,772 --> 01:36:56,093
Speaker 14: jobs that need to be done, and pick something up

1929
01:36:56,133 --> 01:36:57,692
Speaker 14: if it needs to be picked up, and all that

1930
01:36:57,732 --> 01:36:58,253
Speaker 14: sort of stuff.

1931
01:36:58,253 --> 01:36:59,732
Speaker 7: So it's rather sweet.

1932
01:36:59,732 --> 01:37:03,173
Speaker 14: Actually, I think it takes the elderly need to get involved,

1933
01:37:03,173 --> 01:37:05,773
Speaker 14: don't they. They can't sit quietly.

1934
01:37:05,492 --> 01:37:06,093
Speaker 7: And watch it all.

1935
01:37:07,333 --> 01:37:10,652
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, But you're quite right. You know, doing chores

1936
01:37:10,732 --> 01:37:12,492
Speaker 3: can make you a good person in the community. It

1937
01:37:12,572 --> 01:37:15,733
Speaker 3: sets you up for life, and that sense and responsibility

1938
01:37:16,732 --> 01:37:17,333
Speaker 3: it just does.

1939
01:37:17,372 --> 01:37:18,852
Speaker 14: It means you're going to get off your bus and

1940
01:37:18,853 --> 01:37:20,572
Speaker 14: go and do you can see something over the e

1941
01:37:20,732 --> 01:37:22,213
Speaker 14: just go and help out and do it.

1942
01:37:22,333 --> 01:37:23,732
Speaker 18: I think you got to be careful.

1943
01:37:24,333 --> 01:37:26,773
Speaker 2: No you go, Carolyn, you go, Caroline, Sorry.

1944
01:37:27,372 --> 01:37:29,652
Speaker 14: No you go, because I think you're about to say you've.

1945
01:37:29,492 --> 01:37:32,572
Speaker 2: Got careful to what You've got to be careful Because

1946
01:37:32,933 --> 01:37:34,412
Speaker 2: my son was going for this, I think it was

1947
01:37:34,412 --> 01:37:37,572
Speaker 2: William piker Ward and he was out picking up rubbish

1948
01:37:37,612 --> 01:37:39,492
Speaker 2: on the street. There was a certain amount of community,

1949
01:37:39,772 --> 01:37:41,492
Speaker 2: a certain amount of ours yet to do that, and

1950
01:37:41,532 --> 01:37:43,213
Speaker 2: he started picking up rubish on the street. And so

1951
01:37:43,293 --> 01:37:45,412
Speaker 2: I started going out and picking up rubbish and putting

1952
01:37:45,412 --> 01:37:48,372
Speaker 2: their bags in the neighborhood. And since then we've it

1953
01:37:48,452 --> 01:37:51,652
Speaker 2: was actually become really enjoyable and now we've become so

1954
01:37:51,732 --> 01:37:53,492
Speaker 2: addicted to it. When the two of us are walking

1955
01:37:53,532 --> 01:37:56,253
Speaker 2: back from the dairy, we both start picking up rubbish

1956
01:37:56,253 --> 01:37:59,852
Speaker 2: off the street and just walking around like wombles, cleaning

1957
01:37:59,893 --> 01:38:00,572
Speaker 2: up the neighborhood.

1958
01:38:01,173 --> 01:38:01,692
Speaker 3: It's nice.

1959
01:38:01,853 --> 01:38:10,933
Speaker 13: I asia's a little bit. It's off topic, but a

1960
01:38:10,933 --> 01:38:11,253
Speaker 13: little bit.

1961
01:38:11,293 --> 01:38:13,052
Speaker 14: When I was in England, you know, you go walking

1962
01:38:13,492 --> 01:38:15,933
Speaker 14: on these sort of public walk ways and stuff, and

1963
01:38:15,973 --> 01:38:18,293
Speaker 14: the English friends of mine said is to so what

1964
01:38:18,372 --> 01:38:20,293
Speaker 14: is it about you New Zealanders. Why do you have

1965
01:38:20,333 --> 01:38:23,652
Speaker 14: to say hello to everybody you pass? It's just sort

1966
01:38:23,652 --> 01:38:25,932
Speaker 14: the same thing, isn't it, you know, picking up rubbish

1967
01:38:26,093 --> 01:38:28,852
Speaker 14: you're saying today, Yeah, yeah, on you go being.

1968
01:38:28,732 --> 01:38:29,973
Speaker 3: A good citizen. Yeah, love it.

1969
01:38:30,053 --> 01:38:31,132
Speaker 2: Thank you for your call, Carolyn.

1970
01:38:31,253 --> 01:38:34,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know that about you. Mate. That's nice,

1971
01:38:34,333 --> 01:38:35,012
Speaker 3: it's really nice.

1972
01:38:35,013 --> 01:38:38,053
Speaker 2: But it's an addiction. Yeah, and then you can't, you know,

1973
01:38:38,093 --> 01:38:41,492
Speaker 2: because it's an endless job. You know, there's just a.

1974
01:38:41,492 --> 01:38:43,452
Speaker 3: Way it never stops. You just sort of like you

1975
01:38:43,532 --> 01:38:44,412
Speaker 3: start at the.

1976
01:38:44,333 --> 01:38:46,333
Speaker 2: Corner of your eye you see like a McDonald's rapper

1977
01:38:46,372 --> 01:38:49,372
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh god, yeah. But yeah, we started

1978
01:38:49,372 --> 01:38:51,052
Speaker 2: to enjoy it when we would running winen of the Award.

1979
01:38:51,213 --> 01:38:53,333
Speaker 3: Love it yeah, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1980
01:38:53,372 --> 01:38:55,293
Speaker 3: is the number to call. We've got headlines with Wendy,

1981
01:38:55,652 --> 01:38:57,852
Speaker 3: but then taking more of your calls about chores that

1982
01:38:57,893 --> 01:39:00,133
Speaker 3: you get your kids to do, or that the chores

1983
01:39:00,173 --> 01:39:02,253
Speaker 3: you did as a kid. It is twenty nine to four.

1984
01:39:04,492 --> 01:39:07,452
Speaker 1: You's talk said be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

1985
01:39:07,452 --> 01:39:10,892
Speaker 15: It's no trouble the blue bubble, The Education Minister says.

1986
01:39:10,933 --> 01:39:14,452
Speaker 15: A writing action plan hopes to address dark data showing

1987
01:39:14,452 --> 01:39:17,253
Speaker 15: almost two thirds of Year eight students and more than

1988
01:39:17,293 --> 01:39:20,973
Speaker 15: a year behind the curriculum benchmark for literacy and numeracy.

1989
01:39:21,612 --> 01:39:25,052
Speaker 15: The Foreign Minister's announced Our ambassador to Ireland, Trevor Mallard,

1990
01:39:25,093 --> 01:39:28,253
Speaker 15: is returning home and will be replaced by senior Foreign

1991
01:39:28,253 --> 01:39:31,572
Speaker 15: Affairs staff for Angela Hassen Sharp Our thirty one year

1992
01:39:31,612 --> 01:39:34,412
Speaker 15: old man has been arrested after allegedly stealing a vehicle

1993
01:39:34,452 --> 01:39:38,173
Speaker 15: from outside of Hastings business. Multiple people called one one

1994
01:39:38,293 --> 01:39:42,253
Speaker 15: one reporting dangerous driving and collisions with other vehicles, and

1995
01:39:42,293 --> 01:39:45,012
Speaker 15: the car was stopped after driving on the wrong side

1996
01:39:45,133 --> 01:39:48,692
Speaker 15: and hitting another car. The Labour leaders adding context to

1997
01:39:48,732 --> 01:39:51,492
Speaker 15: his former Finance Minister's claim that he had the final

1998
01:39:51,532 --> 01:39:54,892
Speaker 15: word on tax policy and ruled out a capital gains

1999
01:39:54,893 --> 01:39:58,133
Speaker 15: in wealth tax and the twenty twenty three budget. Grsipkin

2000
01:39:58,213 --> 01:40:01,093
Speaker 15: says decisions were made by the Cabinet, not just him.

2001
01:40:01,853 --> 01:40:04,612
Speaker 15: Submissions closed today on a by law that could block

2002
01:40:04,692 --> 01:40:07,652
Speaker 15: public access to a paper road at Cape Palliser at

2003
01:40:07,692 --> 01:40:11,413
Speaker 15: the bottom of North Island. Plus, while style versus substance

2004
01:40:11,492 --> 01:40:14,253
Speaker 15: debate hovers over the All Blacks. See the full column

2005
01:40:14,253 --> 01:40:17,052
Speaker 15: It ends at Herald Premium. Now back to Masson Tyler.

2006
01:40:17,093 --> 01:40:19,572
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy having a great discussion about

2007
01:40:19,652 --> 01:40:23,133
Speaker 3: kids chores. There was a bit of a discussion on

2008
01:40:23,173 --> 01:40:27,173
Speaker 3: The Girl's Unfiltered podcast about kids chores. But really keen

2009
01:40:27,213 --> 01:40:29,333
Speaker 3: to hear from you on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

2010
01:40:29,572 --> 01:40:31,652
Speaker 3: What are the chores that you do your get your

2011
01:40:31,692 --> 01:40:33,053
Speaker 3: kids to do at home and do you pay them

2012
01:40:33,053 --> 01:40:33,652
Speaker 3: pocket money?

2013
01:40:33,933 --> 01:40:36,652
Speaker 2: The challenge was talking about before that we did with

2014
01:40:37,093 --> 01:40:41,372
Speaker 2: my son was the William Pike Challenge. It's fantastic. We

2015
01:40:41,452 --> 01:40:43,892
Speaker 2: went tramping in the Coramandel as well. It was bloody

2016
01:40:44,053 --> 01:40:45,612
Speaker 2: great time. Jelia, good stuff.

2017
01:40:45,652 --> 01:40:47,972
Speaker 3: It's a high level award that and William Pike himself

2018
01:40:48,013 --> 01:40:50,412
Speaker 3: I think was quite a He still is a pretty

2019
01:40:50,452 --> 01:40:51,413
Speaker 3: incredible individual.

2020
01:40:51,772 --> 01:40:56,412
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it did create an addiction for picking up

2021
01:40:56,452 --> 01:40:58,692
Speaker 2: rubbish and there's a few other people that have this

2022
01:40:58,812 --> 01:41:01,492
Speaker 2: as well. Oh my god, Matt, I'm the same and

2023
01:41:01,572 --> 01:41:03,852
Speaker 2: my mother. They live by the beach and we can't

2024
01:41:03,893 --> 01:41:06,452
Speaker 2: walk past rubbish without picking up. People look at us,

2025
01:41:06,692 --> 01:41:10,733
Speaker 2: But shouldn't it be ways? But shouldn't it be available

2026
01:41:10,772 --> 01:41:10,973
Speaker 2: to me?

2027
01:41:11,173 --> 01:41:11,372
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2028
01:41:11,372 --> 01:41:15,333
Speaker 2: I'm sure. The Yeah, tidy keywis if you start trying

2029
01:41:15,333 --> 01:41:17,133
Speaker 2: to clean the world, you'll be a busy person.

2030
01:41:17,412 --> 01:41:22,053
Speaker 3: Sy, well, Celia, how are you? Oh hi there, how

2031
01:41:22,053 --> 01:41:24,093
Speaker 3: are you very good? So what did you do with

2032
01:41:24,093 --> 01:41:27,452
Speaker 3: your kids when it came to chores, Well, when.

2033
01:41:27,293 --> 01:41:30,772
Speaker 25: I come to show, I don't then currently that would

2034
01:41:30,812 --> 01:41:36,252
Speaker 25: if it's paid or unpaid. For my one was unpaid, unpaid, unpaid.

2035
01:41:36,612 --> 01:41:38,892
Speaker 25: And the reason I did that because I wanted to

2036
01:41:38,973 --> 01:41:42,012
Speaker 25: teach them the value of a family as a team

2037
01:41:42,053 --> 01:41:45,133
Speaker 25: and we work together, not only for you know, the

2038
01:41:45,253 --> 01:41:48,173
Speaker 25: money is here, you know. Yeah, they support the family

2039
01:41:48,253 --> 01:41:50,652
Speaker 25: is there to will support one another. And when they

2040
01:41:50,652 --> 01:41:54,333
Speaker 25: were living, I always since they've got the knowledge of

2041
01:41:54,492 --> 01:41:56,732
Speaker 25: four years old, it will take them to the garden

2042
01:41:57,173 --> 01:42:01,732
Speaker 25: to help me or to even clean the windows. And

2043
01:42:01,853 --> 01:42:04,253
Speaker 25: at the stage when they were around eleven to twelve

2044
01:42:04,333 --> 01:42:07,253
Speaker 25: years old, they must cook a meal for the family

2045
01:42:07,412 --> 01:42:08,092
Speaker 25: once a week.

2046
01:42:08,732 --> 01:42:09,732
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, that's a good one.

2047
01:42:10,253 --> 01:42:13,333
Speaker 25: And they will cook a meal for the family once

2048
01:42:13,372 --> 01:42:15,412
Speaker 25: a meal. And when I say cook, it's cooked. Nothing

2049
01:42:15,492 --> 01:42:19,293
Speaker 25: profits it's just cut on, cut tomatow caxiic and.

2050
01:42:19,452 --> 01:42:20,572
Speaker 3: Everything right on.

2051
01:42:21,093 --> 01:42:23,053
Speaker 2: So you can't just put a McCain's pie in there.

2052
01:42:23,093 --> 01:42:27,492
Speaker 3: And no fish filling straight from the freezer, no nothing

2053
01:42:27,572 --> 01:42:29,372
Speaker 3: from the freezer, everything fresh.

2054
01:42:29,412 --> 01:42:29,732
Speaker 2: Wow.

2055
01:42:30,412 --> 01:42:34,252
Speaker 25: They enjoy buy friends and the friends with the parents,

2056
01:42:34,253 --> 01:42:36,093
Speaker 25: and they will cook. And were feeling so proud of

2057
01:42:36,093 --> 01:42:40,892
Speaker 25: my children. And by the time when they too fourteen,

2058
01:42:42,173 --> 01:42:45,893
Speaker 25: they must wash their own clothes by themself. However, we

2059
01:42:46,093 --> 01:42:49,772
Speaker 25: teach them through before they get into fourteen years old.

2060
01:42:50,213 --> 01:42:53,652
Speaker 25: And they've been watching two clothes since they are fourteen,

2061
01:42:53,933 --> 01:42:55,652
Speaker 25: and now they are twenty and twenty six.

2062
01:42:56,013 --> 01:42:58,093
Speaker 2: Well, how good. And when they're washing the clothes, when

2063
01:42:58,093 --> 01:43:00,772
Speaker 2: you've got them washing the clothes as clia, are they

2064
01:43:01,133 --> 01:43:04,893
Speaker 2: are they separating out the colors black.

2065
01:43:04,772 --> 01:43:08,612
Speaker 25: With black, yeah, with white, all colors all separated. Hitch

2066
01:43:08,652 --> 01:43:09,733
Speaker 25: them from the beginning.

2067
01:43:09,572 --> 01:43:11,253
Speaker 2: And having it right through, all of it through the

2068
01:43:11,333 --> 01:43:14,412
Speaker 2: dryer or seppering out of the separating their stuff that.

2069
01:43:14,412 --> 01:43:18,652
Speaker 25: Strength dryer, the sunshine, you put the clothes out, and

2070
01:43:18,692 --> 01:43:20,333
Speaker 25: if you sell you a dumb you put in the

2071
01:43:20,412 --> 01:43:22,452
Speaker 25: dry the rest you're not allowed to use the dryer.

2072
01:43:23,133 --> 01:43:26,732
Speaker 2: Wow. See, because that's that's sort. Where whereabouts do you live?

2073
01:43:26,772 --> 01:43:28,012
Speaker 2: What do you live in, Celia?

2074
01:43:29,173 --> 01:43:30,052
Speaker 25: I live in Albany.

2075
01:43:30,853 --> 01:43:33,093
Speaker 2: In Albany, yeah, yeah, right, because you know it's a

2076
01:43:33,093 --> 01:43:36,213
Speaker 2: different issue down in Dneeden where I grew up. Because

2077
01:43:36,253 --> 01:43:37,932
Speaker 2: you can put everything out on the line or put

2078
01:43:37,933 --> 01:43:39,732
Speaker 2: them on a clothes horse and they just sit there.

2079
01:43:39,893 --> 01:43:42,572
Speaker 2: They don't dry solid for the whole of winter. They

2080
01:43:42,572 --> 01:43:44,372
Speaker 2: get hold on them. Well, good on you, Celia, you

2081
01:43:44,412 --> 01:43:46,053
Speaker 2: sound like a great mum. Thank you so much for

2082
01:43:46,093 --> 01:43:46,412
Speaker 2: your call.

2083
01:43:46,933 --> 01:43:49,412
Speaker 3: I've got to say I don't actually separate the whites

2084
01:43:49,452 --> 01:43:51,492
Speaker 3: from the colors, and I just whack everything in the

2085
01:43:51,572 --> 01:43:52,932
Speaker 3: dry even up here in Auckland.

2086
01:43:53,053 --> 01:43:55,772
Speaker 2: You can tell look at the terrible state of that ship.

2087
01:43:56,293 --> 01:43:58,852
Speaker 3: But look out, look out, how much shrinkage is going

2088
01:43:58,893 --> 01:43:59,253
Speaker 3: on now?

2089
01:43:59,412 --> 01:43:59,572
Speaker 2: Is that?

2090
01:43:59,772 --> 01:44:01,812
Speaker 3: This is why I buy so much cheap clothing?

2091
01:44:02,133 --> 01:44:07,852
Speaker 2: Well, mate, uh, the cheapness you have an eyender either. Yeah,

2092
01:44:08,372 --> 01:44:09,972
Speaker 2: ironing obviously wasn't one of your chores.

2093
01:44:10,253 --> 01:44:12,372
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's either shrinking or I'm putting on

2094
01:44:12,412 --> 01:44:15,253
Speaker 3: a lot of weight, but either or it's not good. Well,

2095
01:44:16,853 --> 01:44:21,013
Speaker 3: sir her guns.

2096
01:44:20,412 --> 01:44:23,812
Speaker 2: I want to set you some chores, including doing the ironing. Yeah,

2097
01:44:23,853 --> 01:44:26,093
Speaker 2: thanks mate, Shay, welcome to the show.

2098
01:44:28,133 --> 01:44:30,532
Speaker 3: Get a shay.

2099
01:44:30,893 --> 01:44:32,732
Speaker 2: Hey, So you think children are too busy down with

2100
01:44:32,772 --> 01:44:34,973
Speaker 2: their phones at the moment to do their chores.

2101
01:44:37,893 --> 01:44:39,053
Speaker 26: And they just.

2102
01:44:39,093 --> 01:44:42,492
Speaker 24: Have the air tube where they don't care.

2103
01:44:43,412 --> 01:44:45,852
Speaker 2: M Is this your kid? Is this your kids? Your children?

2104
01:44:45,853 --> 01:44:46,293
Speaker 2: In general?

2105
01:44:48,652 --> 01:44:52,213
Speaker 24: Children in general. No, well, my daughter a little bit.

2106
01:44:52,253 --> 01:44:56,253
Speaker 24: She doesn't care so much about the things that are

2107
01:44:56,333 --> 01:45:00,572
Speaker 24: bad for her, like the energy drinks, you know, how

2108
01:45:00,652 --> 01:45:04,013
Speaker 24: things are made what And then she's like, I don't care,

2109
01:45:04,053 --> 01:45:07,932
Speaker 24: it tastes so honor, you know, eat rubbish.

2110
01:45:08,133 --> 01:45:10,573
Speaker 18: Or but she's old enough.

2111
01:45:11,452 --> 01:45:17,852
Speaker 24: She can right. I don't have that control or we'd

2112
01:45:18,053 --> 01:45:19,092
Speaker 24: over her anymore.

2113
01:45:20,133 --> 01:45:22,412
Speaker 2: How old is she?

2114
01:45:22,412 --> 01:45:23,692
Speaker 24: She's twenty two this year.

2115
01:45:23,772 --> 01:45:25,372
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, twenty two, he says. Had to tell her

2116
01:45:25,372 --> 01:45:27,333
Speaker 2: twenty two you what to do, isn't it. But is

2117
01:45:27,372 --> 01:45:28,372
Speaker 2: she living under your roof?

2118
01:45:31,853 --> 01:45:38,173
Speaker 24: Well that's another story altogether. But where as soon as

2119
01:45:38,173 --> 01:45:40,933
Speaker 24: she asked to make her school lunch, that was it.

2120
01:45:41,013 --> 01:45:42,692
Speaker 24: That was her job from there on.

2121
01:45:43,133 --> 01:45:44,252
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, once.

2122
01:45:44,692 --> 01:45:46,772
Speaker 24: She was like can I do the dishes one day?

2123
01:45:47,093 --> 01:45:48,412
Speaker 24: That was her job from then on.

2124
01:45:49,253 --> 01:45:49,732
Speaker 2: That was good.

2125
01:45:50,973 --> 01:45:53,132
Speaker 3: So she probably would have learned to stop stop asking

2126
01:45:53,133 --> 01:45:54,173
Speaker 3: to do stuff after a while.

2127
01:45:55,333 --> 01:45:58,492
Speaker 26: Yeah, well, you would say, but she was with a

2128
01:45:58,652 --> 01:46:03,452
Speaker 26: very fast learner. But I see kids today and like,

2129
01:46:04,692 --> 01:46:06,652
Speaker 26: you know, you're not allowed to hit your kids or anything,

2130
01:46:06,732 --> 01:46:11,253
Speaker 26: but I just want to pummel some of them. And

2131
01:46:12,053 --> 01:46:15,372
Speaker 26: as for the rubbish, like I'm a firm believer it

2132
01:46:15,492 --> 01:46:19,012
Speaker 26: like if you see that rubbish or think about that rubbish.

2133
01:46:19,173 --> 01:46:22,492
Speaker 26: Therefore that rubbish is being your problem and you should

2134
01:46:23,492 --> 01:46:24,013
Speaker 26: pick it up.

2135
01:46:24,293 --> 01:46:28,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, even out of so you're talking about out

2136
01:46:28,812 --> 01:46:30,612
Speaker 2: and about out of the house, out on the streets.

2137
01:46:31,013 --> 01:46:31,213
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2138
01:46:31,572 --> 01:46:35,572
Speaker 24: Yeah, if you look at that rubbish or see it

2139
01:46:35,772 --> 01:46:38,412
Speaker 24: or think about it, it becomes your rubbish. So you

2140
01:46:38,492 --> 01:46:39,973
Speaker 24: should pick it up in my in my.

2141
01:46:40,093 --> 01:46:44,213
Speaker 2: View, so when you started, like so, your your daughter

2142
01:46:44,213 --> 01:46:46,732
Speaker 2: would say, look and start doing the dishes. They're becoming

2143
01:46:46,772 --> 01:46:49,293
Speaker 2: a job, et cetera, et cetera. Once she started the job,

2144
01:46:49,372 --> 01:46:50,852
Speaker 2: did you have to not tell her? She just she

2145
01:46:50,973 --> 01:46:52,652
Speaker 2: just knew that was her job. And she continued, did

2146
01:46:52,692 --> 01:46:53,612
Speaker 2: you have to hassle her to do it?

2147
01:46:56,572 --> 01:46:58,933
Speaker 24: You start to tell her And it took her a

2148
01:46:59,013 --> 01:47:02,772
Speaker 24: while to become good at it and meet the standard

2149
01:47:02,933 --> 01:47:08,173
Speaker 24: in which was expected. But you know, I had your

2150
01:47:08,333 --> 01:47:10,412
Speaker 24: you are young, and I was told don't create a

2151
01:47:10,492 --> 01:47:14,812
Speaker 24: world for your own back yeah, and I ran with it.

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Speaker 24: And so, yeah, she is a good kid. I'm very

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Speaker 24: absolutely proud of her. She's yeah the reasons she's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so good to hear, Shay, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your call.

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Speaker 3: Sound like a great mum. I wait, one hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call what the key

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Speaker 3: chores kids should be doing.

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Speaker 2: Because the thing is with the thing with the chores, right,

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Speaker 2: is that if it becomes a chore for you to

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Speaker 2: constantly every night be arguing with your kids to make

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Speaker 2: them do something, it can make the house really stressful.

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Speaker 2: So it can be the situation where, yes, God, it's

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Speaker 2: easier if I do.

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Speaker 3: It path of least resistance.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But you're not making them do the chores because

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Speaker 2: it's something that needs to be done. You're making them

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Speaker 2: do the bloody chores because they need to be people

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Speaker 2: that know how to do stuff.

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Speaker 3: YEA, keep fighting the good fight. It is seventeen to four.

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Speaker 3: I eight hundred eighty teen eighty is an number to

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01:48:06,333 --> 01:48:08,012
Speaker 3: call the big.

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Speaker 1: Story, the big issues, to the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks

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Speaker 1: that'd be for a good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: It is a quarter to four, Matthew, your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: kids and chores.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, so I've got an interesting perspective. I worked with

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Speaker 27: young people for quite a number of years and studied

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Speaker 27: developmental psychology. I'm also dard of three kids myself, And

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Speaker 27: there's some really interesting studies around people's self esteem and

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Speaker 27: their resiliency and doing chores, and so if you do chort,

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Speaker 27: get your kids to do chores, it's been shown that

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Speaker 27: they've got higher levels of self esteem and resiliency.

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Speaker 2: Right, what do you think that is? It is because

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Speaker 2: they're achieving something and showing competence and having little victories.

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Speaker 2: I mean, once you finish a choor, there's a certain

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Speaker 2: amount of that comes to you and satisfaction even if

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Speaker 2: you didn't want to.

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Speaker 27: Do it, absolutely, and it also gives the people greater

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Speaker 27: sense of self So it helps you, you know, have

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Speaker 27: power in your own world because you are doing something

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Speaker 27: and you feel like you've got that that power in

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Speaker 27: your world to maybe change in your world rather than

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Speaker 27: always everything being done for you.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Ess interesting. I read a study I can't I don't

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Speaker 2: have it on me, but it was about kids that

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Speaker 2: made to make their bed every day, and they did

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Speaker 2: a study and the results were quite huge for kids

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Speaker 2: that made their bed every day. And these studies are

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Speaker 2: complicated because if you've got parents that are making you

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Speaker 2: make your bed every day, there's probably you know, other

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01:49:52,732 --> 01:49:56,772
Speaker 2: things going on that complicate the positive outcomes. But they

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01:49:57,253 --> 01:49:59,973
Speaker 2: seem to claim that just that one thing, that just

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01:50:00,093 --> 01:50:02,612
Speaker 2: little chore that you were made to make your bed

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01:50:02,652 --> 01:50:05,133
Speaker 2: every day made it made a huge difference. And maybe

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01:50:05,173 --> 01:50:07,612
Speaker 2: it's that just little victory you've just achieved something at

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Speaker 2: the start of the day for you even go out

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Speaker 2: of the world, you've at least made a bid.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, I just I just think it's it's just that

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Speaker 27: whole thing of doing stuff yourself and feeling competent at

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01:50:22,893 --> 01:50:27,532
Speaker 27: something kind of changes your perspective and gives you more

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01:50:27,572 --> 01:50:31,333
Speaker 27: confidence in the world, which obviously then impacts your self

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01:50:31,452 --> 01:50:35,772
Speaker 27: esteem and helps you when tough times happen that you've

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01:50:35,853 --> 01:50:37,572
Speaker 27: got something to fall back on and go, well, if

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Speaker 27: I can do this, then I can also do other things.

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Speaker 3: Makes a lot of sense. What about the pocket money

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01:50:42,812 --> 01:50:45,612
Speaker 3: elements of a Matthew did that come Does that come

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01:50:45,652 --> 01:50:48,452
Speaker 3: into the equation with resilience and responsibility?

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Speaker 27: And not that I am had in my study. But

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Speaker 27: what I do with my kids is we've got, like,

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01:50:58,013 --> 01:51:00,173
Speaker 27: we don't give them pocket money, but we've got a

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01:51:00,293 --> 01:51:02,732
Speaker 27: series of jobs that they can do to earn money.

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01:51:02,812 --> 01:51:05,093
Speaker 27: So they've got certain things that they need to do

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01:51:05,213 --> 01:51:09,492
Speaker 27: as functional members of our household, and then extra gigs

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01:51:09,532 --> 01:51:12,333
Speaker 27: that they can do kind of to earn money. So

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01:51:12,452 --> 01:51:14,692
Speaker 27: if they don't want to do those things, they don't

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01:51:14,772 --> 01:51:16,852
Speaker 27: have to. But if they need money, then they can

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01:51:16,933 --> 01:51:19,612
Speaker 27: do those things. And then if they choose not to

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01:51:19,732 --> 01:51:24,133
Speaker 27: do their jobs, then we kind of charge them for

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01:51:24,213 --> 01:51:27,293
Speaker 27: the jobs that they are supposed to be doing if

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01:51:27,372 --> 01:51:29,173
Speaker 27: we have to do them. So it kind of works

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01:51:29,213 --> 01:51:32,812
Speaker 27: both ways and kind of takes a lot of that

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01:51:32,973 --> 01:51:36,772
Speaker 27: fight out of yeah, you have to do the jobs.

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01:51:37,133 --> 01:51:40,333
Speaker 27: So they don't dos and pieces that they're supposed to do,

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01:51:40,452 --> 01:51:43,972
Speaker 27: then they get charged two dollars and they can earn

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01:51:44,013 --> 01:51:46,173
Speaker 27: that two dollars back by doing a job that I

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01:51:46,293 --> 01:51:48,572
Speaker 27: want them to do that you know it's going to.

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Speaker 2: Take my time, yeah, because because I ask you that,

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01:51:51,492 --> 01:51:53,213
Speaker 2: because you know you have this this you know, the

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01:51:53,253 --> 01:51:58,093
Speaker 2: self confidence whatever that you earn from doing jobs and

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01:51:58,173 --> 01:52:01,612
Speaker 2: doing chores. But then there is also the downside of

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01:52:02,013 --> 01:52:03,932
Speaker 2: if you're not going to do them, and the endless

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01:52:04,053 --> 01:52:07,213
Speaker 2: fighting and arguments with your parents are constantly every day.

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01:52:08,612 --> 01:52:13,452
Speaker 2: If that's another side of the whole chore thing, isn't it, Matthew, Yeah.

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01:52:13,333 --> 01:52:15,412
Speaker 27: And I guess that's for us where the gig side

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01:52:15,452 --> 01:52:19,013
Speaker 27: of things work. So as I say, like, if they're

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01:52:19,013 --> 01:52:21,572
Speaker 27: supposed to empty the dishwasher and it goes no, I

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Speaker 27: can't be today and I have to do it. And

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01:52:23,893 --> 01:52:27,372
Speaker 27: I charged them two dollars for entying their dishwasher. And

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01:52:27,452 --> 01:52:29,893
Speaker 27: then if they want to, you know, if they go

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01:52:29,973 --> 01:52:31,852
Speaker 27: and do the lawns and then and ten dollars, then

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01:52:31,853 --> 01:52:35,253
Speaker 27: I only owe them eight dollars because I did one

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01:52:35,293 --> 01:52:36,812
Speaker 27: of their jobs that they were supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if there's ever been a study on how

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01:52:40,253 --> 01:52:42,812
Speaker 2: hard it is to do chores when you're young as

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01:52:42,853 --> 01:52:46,293
Speaker 2: opposed to when you grow older, because when you're when

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01:52:46,293 --> 01:52:50,293
Speaker 2: you're a teenager, I remember it just being so physically painful.

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01:52:50,333 --> 01:52:52,412
Speaker 2: When I was asked to set the table or empty

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01:52:52,452 --> 01:52:54,772
Speaker 2: the dishwasher or doing anything, it was like, oh God,

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01:52:54,893 --> 01:52:57,812
Speaker 2: and now I quite I just do it.

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01:52:57,893 --> 01:52:58,852
Speaker 3: I just quite through it.

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01:52:58,893 --> 01:53:00,612
Speaker 2: I don't even think about it. I quite quite quite

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01:53:00,732 --> 01:53:03,932
Speaker 2: enjoy it. But as a teenager, you see it when

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01:53:03,973 --> 01:53:08,093
Speaker 2: you ask them to do something, you're like, oh, yeah,

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01:53:09,452 --> 01:53:10,053
Speaker 2: I think that.

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01:53:10,253 --> 01:53:13,253
Speaker 27: Has got to do much more with parts of the

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01:53:13,372 --> 01:53:16,852
Speaker 27: development of the brain and kind of the the brain's

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01:53:16,893 --> 01:53:19,133
Speaker 27: wired that once you get to a teenager everything that

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01:53:19,213 --> 01:53:21,972
Speaker 27: your parents is completely useless and it doesn't make any

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01:53:22,053 --> 01:53:28,253
Speaker 27: sense because from a developmental psychology place, it's kind of

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01:53:28,333 --> 01:53:31,492
Speaker 27: that space of pushing you out of the family home

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01:53:31,612 --> 01:53:33,253
Speaker 27: and you're going to go find your own way in

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01:53:33,333 --> 01:53:37,372
Speaker 27: the world. So yeah, I think that's probably a lot

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01:53:37,452 --> 01:53:42,812
Speaker 27: more of that side of things than the just the

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01:53:43,013 --> 01:53:46,372
Speaker 27: chores themselves. So I guess that's the joy of parenting teenagers.

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01:53:46,452 --> 01:53:49,652
Speaker 27: You have to kind of, you know, look after them

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01:53:49,732 --> 01:53:51,333
Speaker 27: and try and meet them where they're at and have

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01:53:51,492 --> 01:53:52,253
Speaker 27: rules of reason.

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01:53:52,652 --> 01:53:55,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Matthew, great to chat

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01:53:55,253 --> 01:53:57,973
Speaker 3: with you. Thank you very much. I think we've got

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01:53:58,053 --> 01:53:59,012
Speaker 3: time for Julie.

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Speaker 16: Julie, yes, and a good afternoon to you two gentlemen.

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01:54:02,812 --> 01:54:04,293
Speaker 16: Always enjoy your programs.

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01:54:04,612 --> 01:54:05,093
Speaker 2: I thank you.

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01:54:06,333 --> 01:54:10,452
Speaker 16: As a growing up her child on a dairy farm,

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01:54:10,572 --> 01:54:14,053
Speaker 16: a small dairy and pig farm at Mustan, my job

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01:54:14,333 --> 01:54:17,452
Speaker 16: was to feed the chicks and to feed the carbs.

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01:54:18,333 --> 01:54:21,213
Speaker 16: What if I sold any eggs they had people that

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01:54:21,333 --> 01:54:23,973
Speaker 16: wanted the eggs, that was my wages, that was my

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01:54:24,213 --> 01:54:28,732
Speaker 16: pocket money. I must say that I did enjoy my

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01:54:28,933 --> 01:54:31,093
Speaker 16: job than but my brother did because he had to

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01:54:31,093 --> 01:54:35,972
Speaker 16: sweep out the pigs. So I never really liked that job.

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01:54:36,573 --> 01:54:39,453
Speaker 16: I have a sixteen year old grandson who lives with me,

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01:54:40,013 --> 01:54:44,852
Speaker 16: who likes to do chores and involves the motor feeding

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01:54:44,893 --> 01:54:47,733
Speaker 16: out the cows of the tractor, mowing the lawns on

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01:54:47,812 --> 01:54:52,053
Speaker 16: the right on lawn mower. Yeah, that's fine, anything that

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01:54:52,213 --> 01:54:55,173
Speaker 16: has a motor in it, and that's a job that

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01:54:55,293 --> 01:54:59,213
Speaker 16: he can do. Yet he's really good at it. But

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01:54:59,373 --> 01:55:01,972
Speaker 16: then he doesn't get pocket money. I buy him petrol

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01:55:02,213 --> 01:55:05,892
Speaker 16: every now and then for his car, so I find

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01:55:05,973 --> 01:55:09,092
Speaker 16: that equal. But he does have to do the dishes

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01:55:09,133 --> 01:55:11,293
Speaker 16: because I like doing the dishes because where we live

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01:55:11,333 --> 01:55:11,852
Speaker 16: at so cold.

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01:55:12,053 --> 01:55:13,333
Speaker 7: My hands were warm in the water.

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Speaker 3: You're a good lady, Jully.

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01:55:15,333 --> 01:55:17,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing other great things in life, I've realized, and

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01:55:17,693 --> 01:55:19,293
Speaker 2: this just shows how different I was from when I

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01:55:19,333 --> 01:55:22,693
Speaker 2: was a teenager. But it's doing dishes with dish washing

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01:55:22,733 --> 01:55:24,693
Speaker 2: gloves hot and getting the water really hot. Yeah that

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01:55:24,812 --> 01:55:25,413
Speaker 2: brings me joy.

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Speaker 3: Now, right, great discussion, Thank you very much. We've got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this says, hey Tyler. Seeing as you aren't a

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Speaker 2: parent yet, you should take note. It isn't as easy

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Speaker 2: as you seem to be. Making it out. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: is making your kids. We'll see you have kids, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: I bet you do everything for them because you can't

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