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Speaker 2: B Welcome to Podcasts three hundred and five. For October eight,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, Patrick Basham returns to this week's podcast

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Speaker 2: to a pine on the New York mayoralty race, which

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Speaker 2: is looking dangerously close to a disaster. How could a

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Speaker 2: to elect a Marxist Muslim to a position that some

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Speaker 2: full flight in what We'll follow, and it's a conversation

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Speaker 2: we both enjoyed immensely covering multiple issues. So as a result,

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Speaker 2: I've slimmed down the additional commentaries that we that we use.

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Speaker 2: They include Ramash the Khur, who was well known to

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Speaker 2: anybody who listens to this podcast regularly, has written a

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Speaker 2: piece that deserves to be spread wide and far. The

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Speaker 2: WHO pandemic accords are badly flawed. I'm going to select

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Speaker 2: really need to read yourself. The decades old international Health Regulations,

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Speaker 2: as amended last year, came into effect on nineteen September.

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Speaker 2: A new pandemic agreement adopted in May, will be opened

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Speaker 2: for signature after a pathogen's access and benefit sharing deal

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Speaker 2: that is expected to be reached next year. The WWAHOW

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Speaker 2: Pandemic Accords, as the two documents are known, are a

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Speaker 2: which there is a rising populist revolt. Two other examples

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Speaker 2: that were mentioned by President Donald Trump in his un

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Speaker 2: address on September twenty three, our Immigration and Climate Change.

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Speaker 2: The speech was a wide ranging defense of national sovereignty

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Speaker 2: it is national sovereignty. First subheading is flawed assumptions. The

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Speaker 2: assumption of increasing pandemic risk is also undermined by work

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Speaker 2: the next subheading, COVID saw a successful bureaucratic coup that

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Speaker 2: The Pandemic Accords provide the WHO legal authority to declare

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Speaker 2: The steep age gradient of the mortality risk profile from

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Speaker 2: Now out of a four page report from Rummish the

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Speaker 2: a moment. Patrick Basham. Leverrix is an antihistamine made in

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Speaker 3: Layton Smith.

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Speaker 2: Now, normally I introduced Patrick Basham as the founding director

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Speaker 2: His articles have appeared in The New York Times, The

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Speaker 2: Patrick Basham has studied political science at the University of

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Speaker 4: It's great to be with you late now as always,

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Speaker 4: But as always, I'm a little anxious whether I'll be

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Speaker 3: But I'll give it my best shot.

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Speaker 2: He is if you're if you're a little anxious, I

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Speaker 2: should be shaking in my boots. Look, the main cause

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Speaker 2: the election of the New York Mayor. But of course

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Speaker 2: tell you why it's intriguing to me, because I struggle

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there has been a declining ratio in America

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Speaker 3: And go for someone quote unquote.

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Speaker 4: Very progressive, uh and very left wing, as they have

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Speaker 4: who is a young far left not a communist, but

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Speaker 4: And it looks like on November fourth, if the polls

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Speaker 4: looks like I'm nomber fourth, ma'am Danny will be elected

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Speaker 2: You say that he's not a he's not a communist.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, he I think I mean it's I mean

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Speaker 3: Now that's not new.

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Speaker 4: But in each of these cases, what so many Americans

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Speaker 3: So it's, you know, it's the arithmetic is.

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Speaker 4: Just overwhelming in terms of why someone like ma'm Danny

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a very good article that I pulled offline

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Speaker 2: since it's total, isn't it will hold power over one

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Speaker 2: Mandani's affordability pitch is simple, ten billion dollars in new

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Speaker 3: Do you know what that is? Not a trick question?

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Speaker 3: He has so many Well, arguably it could be the.

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Speaker 3: It could be wrong about that.

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Speaker 2: So let me tell you. Free childcare for every New

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Speaker 3: Oh, no, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: I mean his plan, which is I mean, as you

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Speaker 3: As in there are no fairs who just travel for free.

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Speaker 4: All of these things are a combination of unaffordable and

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Speaker 4: will be a sort of a beacon and.

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00:28:51,013 --> 00:28:53,013
Speaker 3: A role model for the rest of the country.

433
00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:55,613
Speaker 4: And you know they used to say back in the

434
00:28:55,893 --> 00:28:59,053
Speaker 4: good old days that you know, California led the way.

435
00:28:59,093 --> 00:29:03,173
Speaker 4: What happened in California culturally and economically politically eventually swept

436
00:29:03,213 --> 00:29:05,853
Speaker 4: across the entire country. Well, Ma'm Danny believes that it's

437
00:29:05,853 --> 00:29:08,413
Speaker 4: going to go from east to west, this time from.

438
00:29:08,773 --> 00:29:10,253
Speaker 3: The socialist mecca.

439
00:29:11,453 --> 00:29:14,893
Speaker 4: No pun intended, well slightly intended of New York City,

440
00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:18,333
Speaker 4: and you know the rest will be history as it were.

441
00:29:18,533 --> 00:29:20,253
Speaker 3: Of course, many of us fear that New York City

442
00:29:20,293 --> 00:29:20,933
Speaker 3: will be history.

443
00:29:21,493 --> 00:29:25,973
Speaker 4: Uh he is he where he fits, where where his

444
00:29:26,213 --> 00:29:31,973
Speaker 4: mindset fits very much fits the communist mindset. Sort of

445
00:29:32,053 --> 00:29:34,893
Speaker 4: large sea communist is as you're well aware late, and

446
00:29:34,973 --> 00:29:37,653
Speaker 4: I'm sure most of your audiences as well. You know,

447
00:29:37,733 --> 00:29:41,253
Speaker 4: throughout history when there's been a large sea communist government,

448
00:29:42,813 --> 00:29:47,973
Speaker 4: things have never gone as planned. Again no pun intended,

449
00:29:47,973 --> 00:29:53,493
Speaker 4: but yes intended. However, those either who were part of

450
00:29:53,533 --> 00:29:59,053
Speaker 4: that government looking back retrospectively or others inspired by communism generally,

451
00:29:59,053 --> 00:30:02,133
Speaker 4: I've always pointed to the fact that the yeah, things

452
00:30:02,173 --> 00:30:05,373
Speaker 4: didn't work out, but that because they weren't done properly.

453
00:30:05,893 --> 00:30:07,133
Speaker 3: But there's nothing wrong with the.

454
00:30:07,053 --> 00:30:12,293
Speaker 4: Basic philosophy, idolog ideology, the basic you know, agender and platform.

455
00:30:12,333 --> 00:30:15,253
Speaker 4: It just has to be done right and if you know,

456
00:30:15,333 --> 00:30:17,933
Speaker 4: when we get in, we'll do it right. And he

457
00:30:18,533 --> 00:30:21,853
Speaker 4: clearly is signed up to that sort of page of

458
00:30:21,893 --> 00:30:26,493
Speaker 4: the Communist Large Sea playbook. And it's just a matter

459
00:30:26,533 --> 00:30:29,373
Speaker 4: of doing things right in New York City, you know,

460
00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:32,093
Speaker 4: he says, for example, you know, many people on the

461
00:30:32,173 --> 00:30:35,573
Speaker 4: right have always argued that taxation is theft. He says,

462
00:30:35,613 --> 00:30:39,493
Speaker 4: taxation isn't theft, capitalism is theft. Right, So they're going

463
00:30:39,573 --> 00:30:41,693
Speaker 4: to get rid of capitalism as best they can in

464
00:30:41,733 --> 00:30:44,493
Speaker 4: New York City. It's funny if this was a there's

465
00:30:44,533 --> 00:30:47,093
Speaker 4: a small town of one hundred and fifty people, the town,

466
00:30:47,173 --> 00:30:50,133
Speaker 4: you know, small outpost, one hundred and fifty people in Idaho,

467
00:30:50,613 --> 00:30:53,173
Speaker 4: you'd say, well, that's rather a brave experiment to get

468
00:30:53,253 --> 00:30:56,213
Speaker 4: rid of capitalism in this little, you know, little outposts

469
00:30:56,213 --> 00:30:59,733
Speaker 4: in Idaho. But he's going to take arguably, on paper,

470
00:30:59,773 --> 00:31:01,693
Speaker 4: the most capitalistic.

471
00:31:01,013 --> 00:31:05,253
Speaker 3: City in the world and get rid of what makes

472
00:31:05,293 --> 00:31:05,733
Speaker 3: it go.

473
00:31:07,653 --> 00:31:13,093
Speaker 4: So it it is, as you say, mission impossible. Uh.

474
00:31:13,773 --> 00:31:16,293
Speaker 4: And it's a question I think for those of us

475
00:31:16,773 --> 00:31:21,493
Speaker 4: not of that ilk do we do we pray that

476
00:31:21,613 --> 00:31:25,413
Speaker 4: it doesn't come to pass because we don't want anyone

477
00:31:25,453 --> 00:31:29,893
Speaker 4: to suffer under this madness. Or do we say, well,

478
00:31:30,893 --> 00:31:33,053
Speaker 4: you know you can, you can. You can point to

479
00:31:33,133 --> 00:31:37,973
Speaker 4: the many, many cases in America elsewhere where. It seems

480
00:31:38,013 --> 00:31:40,973
Speaker 4: that when something's going wrong, it has to go really,

481
00:31:41,093 --> 00:31:45,333
Speaker 4: really wrong before a critical mass of people realize just

482
00:31:45,373 --> 00:31:48,213
Speaker 4: how bad is and are willing to do something about it.

483
00:31:48,453 --> 00:31:49,573
Speaker 3: And so do we just knit?

484
00:31:49,733 --> 00:31:53,533
Speaker 4: Lets need to let New York City bleed out, and

485
00:31:53,613 --> 00:31:56,533
Speaker 4: it will both wake up New Yorkers and also because

486
00:31:56,613 --> 00:31:59,653
Speaker 4: New York is such a you know, it has the

487
00:31:59,693 --> 00:32:02,413
Speaker 4: spotlight on it at all times, good and bad, it'll wait,

488
00:32:02,613 --> 00:32:07,213
Speaker 4: it'll educate many others in America and perhaps elsewhere that

489
00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:11,173
Speaker 4: you know, this quote unquote progressive moment that we're in

490
00:32:12,213 --> 00:32:15,493
Speaker 4: isn't progressive at all. It's quite regressive, and we just

491
00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:17,253
Speaker 4: really should have nothing more to do with it.

492
00:32:18,053 --> 00:32:21,493
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about you, but I would put

493
00:32:21,533 --> 00:32:27,173
Speaker 2: the foundation for whatever success has already been reached to

494
00:32:27,653 --> 00:32:31,413
Speaker 2: whatever might be. I'd put it down to the education system.

495
00:32:32,173 --> 00:32:37,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's this is this is where we are,

496
00:32:37,133 --> 00:32:37,453
Speaker 4: isn't it.

497
00:32:37,533 --> 00:32:41,773
Speaker 3: I mean, you wish we are Sorry, go ahead.

498
00:32:41,533 --> 00:32:44,053
Speaker 2: I was going to say, the education system such as

499
00:32:44,053 --> 00:32:46,933
Speaker 2: it is, Yeah, we are.

500
00:32:47,253 --> 00:32:54,293
Speaker 4: A population of formally educated but in practice highly uneducated

501
00:32:54,693 --> 00:33:03,013
Speaker 4: come miseducated, principally especially uninformed people. Right, And so we've

502
00:33:03,053 --> 00:33:06,213
Speaker 4: gone from everyone who went to school, even if it

503
00:33:06,253 --> 00:33:09,053
Speaker 4: was only for a short time, have a coming out

504
00:33:09,093 --> 00:33:12,613
Speaker 4: with basic skills that would carry them through their entire

505
00:33:12,693 --> 00:33:19,853
Speaker 4: lives and at least a basic understanding of the country's history, values,

506
00:33:21,213 --> 00:33:24,293
Speaker 4: religious beliefs.

507
00:33:24,413 --> 00:33:26,133
Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera, to.

508
00:33:27,733 --> 00:33:33,813
Speaker 4: A population that is far far more formally educated, incredibly credentialed,

509
00:33:34,733 --> 00:33:42,013
Speaker 4: and lacking in so many basic skills that it's quite

510
00:33:42,013 --> 00:33:45,573
Speaker 4: surprising that so many people are able to function at all. Right,

511
00:33:45,853 --> 00:33:50,373
Speaker 4: because as as in America, because everyone is pushed through

512
00:33:51,733 --> 00:33:55,893
Speaker 4: regardless of how they perform. In fact, the worse they perform,

513
00:33:55,973 --> 00:34:01,293
Speaker 4: the more rapidly they're pushed through. That you have, you know,

514
00:34:01,493 --> 00:34:06,733
Speaker 4: people are graduating high school who are functionally illiterate. I mean,

515
00:34:06,853 --> 00:34:10,933
Speaker 4: you know, it's not a rare occur rights. So this

516
00:34:11,013 --> 00:34:12,493
Speaker 4: is you know, this, this, this is this is what

517
00:34:12,493 --> 00:34:17,173
Speaker 4: we're dealing with. And this is a huge reason why

518
00:34:17,773 --> 00:34:23,413
Speaker 4: the the Mamdani's, the AOC's, the Bernie Sanders. People like

519
00:34:23,453 --> 00:34:28,733
Speaker 4: this are able to sort of rhetorically hoodwink so many

520
00:34:28,773 --> 00:34:36,693
Speaker 4: people with their pseudo intellectual you know, intellectualizing of the problem,

521
00:34:36,733 --> 00:34:40,893
Speaker 4: the critique of America, and are able to sell a

522
00:34:41,053 --> 00:34:45,213
Speaker 4: story of America, not just its present, which people who

523
00:34:45,453 --> 00:34:48,973
Speaker 4: on the left always you know, to go back to Roosevelt,

524
00:34:49,093 --> 00:34:51,973
Speaker 4: the FDR. You know, for a century, those on the

525
00:34:52,053 --> 00:34:54,533
Speaker 4: left have said there are things wrong with America, some

526
00:34:54,573 --> 00:34:58,173
Speaker 4: serious things wrong, and we must fix them, and we

527
00:34:58,253 --> 00:34:58,893
Speaker 4: must make.

528
00:34:58,773 --> 00:35:00,093
Speaker 3: Improvements, we must change a bit.

529
00:35:00,493 --> 00:35:02,573
Speaker 4: But that was always built on a on a on

530
00:35:02,653 --> 00:35:05,533
Speaker 4: an explicit foundation. This is a great country, This is

531
00:35:05,573 --> 00:35:09,413
Speaker 4: an important country. This is an amazing country, and we

532
00:35:09,533 --> 00:35:13,973
Speaker 4: need to live up to its potential, whether you believe

533
00:35:14,013 --> 00:35:16,773
Speaker 4: it or not. Even though Obama used that kind of rhetoric,

534
00:35:17,213 --> 00:35:21,333
Speaker 4: but these characters today they explicitly state that this is

535
00:35:21,373 --> 00:35:25,333
Speaker 4: a bad country. It's a flawed country. It probably never

536
00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:27,133
Speaker 4: should have been a country. After all, it we just

537
00:35:27,213 --> 00:35:31,733
Speaker 4: stole somebody else's country to have our country. And the

538
00:35:32,053 --> 00:35:35,173
Speaker 4: least we can do is copy the worst of other countries,

539
00:35:36,373 --> 00:35:40,413
Speaker 4: and you know, just try to make what we can

540
00:35:40,893 --> 00:35:45,173
Speaker 4: of this, you know, of this terrible environment in which

541
00:35:45,173 --> 00:35:47,933
Speaker 4: so many in which we all live because of the

542
00:35:48,493 --> 00:35:53,573
Speaker 4: flaws and faults and mistakes of our racist forebears, and that,

543
00:35:54,093 --> 00:35:56,893
Speaker 4: you know, that doesn't sell to most people, although for

544
00:35:56,933 --> 00:35:58,893
Speaker 4: a few years it looked like it looked like it might.

545
00:35:59,893 --> 00:36:04,773
Speaker 4: But it sells to enough that they are able to

546
00:36:04,973 --> 00:36:08,093
Speaker 4: make enough noise and in certain parts of the country

547
00:36:08,373 --> 00:36:11,293
Speaker 4: carry the work, carry the day politically, and in a

548
00:36:11,373 --> 00:36:19,413
Speaker 4: city like New York City, are able to dominate politically.

549
00:36:20,613 --> 00:36:23,533
Speaker 3: So it's it's a sad situation.

550
00:36:24,013 --> 00:36:25,293
Speaker 4: But we have to, you know, if we're going to

551
00:36:25,293 --> 00:36:27,453
Speaker 4: improve upon this situation, we have to face the reality

552
00:36:27,893 --> 00:36:31,973
Speaker 4: the New York City is on the precipice of electing

553
00:36:32,053 --> 00:36:38,573
Speaker 4: someone who is literally anti New York City in an

554
00:36:38,653 --> 00:36:43,253
Speaker 4: historical sense. Right, just as America had a choice last

555
00:36:43,293 --> 00:36:48,373
Speaker 4: November between someone who, for all his flaws, very patriotic

556
00:36:48,413 --> 00:36:53,093
Speaker 4: person and a candidate in Kamala Harris who was explicitly

557
00:36:53,293 --> 00:36:57,013
Speaker 4: anti American, right now, America got that one.

558
00:36:57,133 --> 00:37:02,373
Speaker 2: Right, doesn't do any sanity well all that.

559
00:37:02,373 --> 00:37:05,653
Speaker 4: Well, yes, okay, excuse, it's just my my British, my

560
00:37:05,693 --> 00:37:08,053
Speaker 4: British politeness coming through occasionally, is right.

561
00:37:08,133 --> 00:37:13,093
Speaker 3: But you know, and so it's it's it's quite surreal right.

562
00:37:13,133 --> 00:37:14,333
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's.

563
00:37:14,173 --> 00:37:19,853
Speaker 4: Hard to believe that the choices are the choices. And

564
00:37:19,933 --> 00:37:24,093
Speaker 4: while we have to be incredibly relieved that the anti

565
00:37:24,133 --> 00:37:27,213
Speaker 4: American candidate didn't win the presidency, we also have to

566
00:37:27,253 --> 00:37:30,813
Speaker 4: be unnerved, perhaps or at least educated by the fact

567
00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:34,733
Speaker 4: that you know, she wasn't a million miles away from winning, right,

568
00:37:35,053 --> 00:37:38,253
Speaker 4: And it's just just like if Ma'm Danny, if Cromo

569
00:37:38,373 --> 00:37:41,693
Speaker 4: comes back and is able to you know, squeeze out

570
00:37:41,693 --> 00:37:45,253
Speaker 4: of victory, it's still it's still going to mean that

571
00:37:45,573 --> 00:37:50,453
Speaker 4: close to almost half of New Yorkers are you know what,

572
00:37:50,573 --> 00:37:54,773
Speaker 4: will have voted for the radical socialist right? And so

573
00:37:55,253 --> 00:37:58,533
Speaker 4: is that is that as I'm suggesting, and I dare

574
00:37:58,533 --> 00:38:02,373
Speaker 4: to say, you're suggesting that this is about a culture

575
00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:05,773
Speaker 4: and an educational system and a lot of things that

576
00:38:05,813 --> 00:38:08,613
Speaker 4: have the media environment, a lot of things that have

577
00:38:08,613 --> 00:38:12,293
Speaker 4: gone crazily wrong, some by design, some by accident over

578
00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:18,773
Speaker 4: recent generations, or is it that's organically close to half

579
00:38:18,853 --> 00:38:23,253
Speaker 4: of the electorate in America and perhaps more in certain

580
00:38:23,293 --> 00:38:31,813
Speaker 4: parts are just unsalvageable in terms of how they view

581
00:38:31,893 --> 00:38:36,973
Speaker 4: their world the world, and how they the calculus that

582
00:38:37,013 --> 00:38:41,733
Speaker 4: they that they make about what it is that makes

583
00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:44,893
Speaker 4: life good bad, how it can be improved, how they

584
00:38:45,213 --> 00:38:49,733
Speaker 4: receive information from politicians and political parties, how they process that,

585
00:38:50,293 --> 00:38:55,573
Speaker 4: and what they spit out. As a conclusion, I hope

586
00:38:56,093 --> 00:38:59,533
Speaker 4: as hard it is to rectify the situation. Based on

587
00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:05,453
Speaker 4: my conclusion about why it's gone wrong, I think that

588
00:39:05,493 --> 00:39:09,493
Speaker 4: the other the other conclusion that it's organic and we

589
00:39:09,693 --> 00:39:13,613
Speaker 4: just have far more crazy people politically crazy people than

590
00:39:13,653 --> 00:39:17,693
Speaker 4: we used to. That's that's worse, because I'm not quite

591
00:39:17,693 --> 00:39:18,653
Speaker 4: sure what we do about that.

592
00:39:19,453 --> 00:39:21,533
Speaker 2: Well, there's an old saying that goes something along the

593
00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:24,213
Speaker 2: lines of nothing changes for the better until it gets

594
00:39:24,213 --> 00:39:27,133
Speaker 2: as bad as it can. Going back to the education,

595
00:39:27,573 --> 00:39:31,133
Speaker 2: it's been rattling round inside my head when I was

596
00:39:31,293 --> 00:39:32,533
Speaker 2: when I was in high school, I did.

597
00:39:32,973 --> 00:39:33,293
Speaker 3: I did.

598
00:39:34,173 --> 00:39:38,613
Speaker 2: It was economics, really, and it was comparative economic systems.

599
00:39:39,733 --> 00:39:45,293
Speaker 2: There was the subject and basically was Moscow versus Washington,

600
00:39:45,373 --> 00:39:51,413
Speaker 2: d C. But they taught it straight. You know, you

601
00:39:51,453 --> 00:39:54,013
Speaker 2: had two columns. For instance, I can I can still

602
00:39:54,053 --> 00:39:56,773
Speaker 2: picture you had two columns and these were the results

603
00:39:56,773 --> 00:40:00,693
Speaker 2: from from Moscow and these were the results from Washington.

604
00:40:01,453 --> 00:40:06,053
Speaker 2: And you could see the difference in them. But but

605
00:40:06,093 --> 00:40:08,213
Speaker 2: not only that, of course, there was there was plenty

606
00:40:08,373 --> 00:40:13,373
Speaker 2: else involved. Because you had freedom in Washington, you had

607
00:40:13,653 --> 00:40:17,493
Speaker 2: not so much in Moscow. And freedom has always been

608
00:40:17,773 --> 00:40:20,973
Speaker 2: incredibly important to me anyway, And I'd like to think

609
00:40:20,973 --> 00:40:23,773
Speaker 2: to my father the bulk of people on the planet.

610
00:40:24,453 --> 00:40:28,133
Speaker 2: But what I was driving at here now was I

611
00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:30,693
Speaker 2: recalled being I don't know how well you know Sydney,

612
00:40:30,733 --> 00:40:35,293
Speaker 2: but Martin Place in Sydney, right in the center pedestrian

613
00:40:35,453 --> 00:40:38,813
Speaker 2: a pedestrian mall. Now it wasn't once, but now it is.

614
00:40:40,053 --> 00:40:44,893
Speaker 2: And walking down there, and this was the time of

615
00:40:44,933 --> 00:40:48,773
Speaker 2: the Vietnam War when things got pretty hot, and you

616
00:40:48,853 --> 00:40:54,213
Speaker 2: had a whole bunch of mostly university students who were

617
00:40:54,253 --> 00:41:01,413
Speaker 2: demonstrating outside the American embassy. And I couldn't help myself.

618
00:41:01,453 --> 00:41:03,813
Speaker 2: I was walking down there with a schoolmate. I couldn't

619
00:41:03,813 --> 00:41:06,413
Speaker 2: help myself. I had to tell some of them how

620
00:41:06,453 --> 00:41:10,293
Speaker 2: stupid they were, they didn't know what they were doing.

621
00:41:11,333 --> 00:41:13,973
Speaker 2: And I got it. I got away from it without

622
00:41:14,093 --> 00:41:19,093
Speaker 2: without injury. But the point was that I don't believe

623
00:41:19,093 --> 00:41:23,093
Speaker 2: that they'd been taught something along the lines of comparative

624
00:41:23,413 --> 00:41:26,773
Speaker 2: economic systems and the benefits of one and the non

625
00:41:26,813 --> 00:41:30,373
Speaker 2: benefits of the other. So that for me was my

626
00:41:30,533 --> 00:41:36,853
Speaker 2: first ever experience with revolting students, revolting, revolting on both fronts,

627
00:41:37,573 --> 00:41:42,213
Speaker 2: but it actually established something for me and I retained

628
00:41:42,253 --> 00:41:45,533
Speaker 2: it ever since. Anyway, give me your response to this,

629
00:41:45,613 --> 00:41:49,293
Speaker 2: if you if you would, if he if he wins,

630
00:41:49,493 --> 00:41:51,453
Speaker 2: and we're assuming at the moment that he's going to

631
00:41:51,493 --> 00:41:55,413
Speaker 2: win become the mayor of New York City, what spin

632
00:41:55,493 --> 00:41:59,333
Speaker 2: off might there be to other parts of the country

633
00:42:00,013 --> 00:42:05,973
Speaker 2: specifically specific specific some states like well, Illinois and Chicago

634
00:42:06,373 --> 00:42:09,773
Speaker 2: and where else? Am I thinking of.

635
00:42:11,413 --> 00:42:12,133
Speaker 3: San Francisco?

636
00:42:12,253 --> 00:42:16,373
Speaker 2: Maybe some Lenard, No, it's not the it's on the Portland.

637
00:42:16,053 --> 00:42:18,733
Speaker 3: Oregon, Portland, Seattle, all that kind of stuff.

638
00:42:18,773 --> 00:42:23,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well, broadly, in terms of the country as

639
00:42:23,293 --> 00:42:27,853
Speaker 4: a whole, you're going to have a brain drain, a

640
00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:33,373
Speaker 4: wealth train, an innovation train out of New York City,

641
00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:36,173
Speaker 4: probably before he's even you know, if he wins on

642
00:42:36,213 --> 00:42:39,253
Speaker 4: November fourth or November fifth, there are people and businesses

643
00:42:39,293 --> 00:42:41,733
Speaker 4: that are going to start sorting out how they can

644
00:42:41,773 --> 00:42:45,453
Speaker 4: get out right. So other parts of the country will

645
00:42:45,493 --> 00:42:50,973
Speaker 4: gain in various various ways. But in terms of the

646
00:42:50,973 --> 00:42:53,653
Speaker 4: places you mentioned, the Chicago's, the Portland, you maybe thrown in,

647
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Speaker 4: Seattle out thrown in San Francisco, these places like that,

648
00:42:56,453 --> 00:43:01,373
Speaker 4: they're actually going to be encouraged, but not that not

649
00:43:01,493 --> 00:43:05,413
Speaker 4: the average person living there. Arguably perhaps that's maybe that's

650
00:43:05,653 --> 00:43:08,573
Speaker 4: in We have to do a heck of a number

651
00:43:08,613 --> 00:43:11,093
Speaker 4: of good polls to find out for sure. But in

652
00:43:11,173 --> 00:43:15,533
Speaker 4: terms of the leadership of those places, which is uniformly democratic,

653
00:43:16,653 --> 00:43:18,453
Speaker 4: in the case of Chicago.

654
00:43:17,973 --> 00:43:19,613
Speaker 3: It's very much African American.

655
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Speaker 4: There's different depending on you know, where you go in

656
00:43:22,293 --> 00:43:26,493
Speaker 4: San Francisco or whatever, but they are.

657
00:43:27,933 --> 00:43:29,413
Speaker 3: They are local.

658
00:43:29,093 --> 00:43:35,013
Speaker 4: Governments that have done everything possible, presumably unintentionally but perhaps

659
00:43:35,053 --> 00:43:41,453
Speaker 4: not to wreck their cities because they have performed so

660
00:43:41,573 --> 00:43:45,773
Speaker 4: abysmally on the basics in terms of law and order,

661
00:43:46,333 --> 00:43:51,453
Speaker 4: prime turning turning there their cities not only into official

662
00:43:51,453 --> 00:43:55,693
Speaker 4: sanctuary cities for legal immigrants, but absolute sort of cess

663
00:43:55,773 --> 00:44:03,973
Speaker 4: pools of a legal activity, a good, good dollop of

664
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Speaker 4: which is committed by illegals, but not soaly, not exclusively,

665
00:44:07,973 --> 00:44:13,293
Speaker 4: and so they are going to be encouraged by Mad

666
00:44:13,493 --> 00:44:16,173
Speaker 4: Dandy's one of the on illegals. One of the things

667
00:44:16,213 --> 00:44:20,533
Speaker 4: he wants to do is to solidify New York status

668
00:44:20,573 --> 00:44:25,373
Speaker 4: as a sanctuary city and ensure that and guarantee that

669
00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:29,413
Speaker 4: there is actually no cooperation between New York City government

670
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Speaker 4: and law enforcement and the federal Immigration Enforcement through ICE,

671
00:44:36,373 --> 00:44:42,333
Speaker 4: the Immigration Customs Enforcement Agency, which gets most of the

672
00:44:42,373 --> 00:44:44,573
Speaker 4: headlines because it's doing most of the literally sort of

673
00:44:44,693 --> 00:44:47,813
Speaker 4: rounding up and arresting. So they are going to defy.

674
00:44:48,373 --> 00:44:51,693
Speaker 4: That's the plan, To just proudly defy the federal government

675
00:44:52,133 --> 00:44:58,253
Speaker 4: in that regard, and to double down on the mad, brazy, insane,

676
00:44:58,533 --> 00:45:02,253
Speaker 4: incredibly dangerous defunding the police that has gone on in

677
00:45:02,293 --> 00:45:06,093
Speaker 4: so many larger American cities over the last five years.

678
00:45:06,933 --> 00:45:09,853
Speaker 4: And so cities like Chicago, go and Portland in Seattle

679
00:45:09,893 --> 00:45:13,893
Speaker 4: and San Francisco who have been on the same track

680
00:45:14,533 --> 00:45:19,133
Speaker 4: as New York in terms of illegal immigration and in

681
00:45:19,253 --> 00:45:23,533
Speaker 4: terms of defunding the police and all of the woke

682
00:45:23,653 --> 00:45:26,893
Speaker 4: madness which Man Danny is sort of absolutely all over.

683
00:45:28,493 --> 00:45:31,573
Speaker 4: They will say, hey, you know, people say the world's

684
00:45:31,613 --> 00:45:33,493
Speaker 4: turned against us, Well it hasn't. I mean, the most

685
00:45:33,493 --> 00:45:36,133
Speaker 4: important city in the world is just voted for just

686
00:45:36,293 --> 00:45:38,253
Speaker 4: someone who you know, we're going to view as a

687
00:45:38,333 --> 00:45:38,893
Speaker 4: role model.

688
00:45:39,213 --> 00:45:44,773
Speaker 3: And they'll do that. And so politically, that growing.

689
00:45:45,853 --> 00:45:49,253
Speaker 4: Part of the Democratic Party, which nationally, which is arguably

690
00:45:49,253 --> 00:45:57,093
Speaker 4: it's base now younger, crazy left wingers, particularly female, especially female.

691
00:45:58,453 --> 00:46:01,853
Speaker 4: You know, they're going to make even more noise. But

692
00:46:01,973 --> 00:46:06,493
Speaker 4: the irony is that the more, as is happening already

693
00:46:06,693 --> 00:46:12,893
Speaker 4: with the Democratic Party since Trump inauguration, the more the

694
00:46:13,093 --> 00:46:17,613
Speaker 4: average American, the average American voter sees of how Democrats

695
00:46:17,733 --> 00:46:21,053
Speaker 4: govern and what they prioritize and what they favor and

696
00:46:21,053 --> 00:46:24,453
Speaker 4: what they disfavor, the harder it gets to the Democrats

697
00:46:24,453 --> 00:46:29,093
Speaker 4: to with to retain a hold on so many of

698
00:46:29,133 --> 00:46:33,413
Speaker 4: the traditional voters, including their minority voters. And so what

699
00:46:33,453 --> 00:46:35,933
Speaker 4: those cities are going to do in microcosm, as Mam

700
00:46:36,013 --> 00:46:39,413
Speaker 4: Danny will do, is what the Democrats have done nationally,

701
00:46:40,133 --> 00:46:45,093
Speaker 4: which is quite bizarre but wonderful if you're not a Democrat,

702
00:46:45,293 --> 00:46:48,813
Speaker 4: which is they They continue to tell the world that

703
00:46:48,933 --> 00:46:51,493
Speaker 4: the following are the issues that we care the most about,

704
00:46:51,933 --> 00:46:53,813
Speaker 4: that we really matter to us, that we will go

705
00:46:53,893 --> 00:46:56,413
Speaker 4: to the wall about what we will plant our flag

706
00:46:57,013 --> 00:46:58,373
Speaker 4: and say this is you know, this is what we

707
00:46:58,453 --> 00:47:04,813
Speaker 4: stand for. And those are the legal immigrants, criminals, government bureaucrats,

708
00:47:06,293 --> 00:47:12,533
Speaker 4: foreign aid not recipient foreign aid organizations, right, I mean

709
00:47:12,853 --> 00:47:17,413
Speaker 4: this is and transgender folks, uh, and the the LGBT

710
00:47:18,253 --> 00:47:21,573
Speaker 4: community more broad In now, ma'm Danny's talks about He's

711
00:47:21,733 --> 00:47:25,693
Speaker 4: very he wants to equalize everything in terms of what

712
00:47:25,733 --> 00:47:29,853
Speaker 4: he refers to as LGBT I A plus that's his

713
00:47:30,013 --> 00:47:36,733
Speaker 4: particular letter combination. But that those five to six things

714
00:47:37,253 --> 00:47:41,293
Speaker 4: that he cares the most about, that the Chicagos and

715
00:47:41,333 --> 00:47:44,973
Speaker 4: Portlands of this world care the most about, will continue

716
00:47:45,013 --> 00:47:46,413
Speaker 4: to wreck those cities.

717
00:47:47,493 --> 00:47:50,173
Speaker 3: However, they will continue to wreck the.

718
00:47:50,213 --> 00:47:55,773
Speaker 4: National hopes of Democrats because you know, the you just cannot,

719
00:47:56,173 --> 00:48:01,333
Speaker 4: you just cannot hide your true beliefs and your true priorities.

720
00:48:02,853 --> 00:48:03,613
Speaker 3: Any longer.

721
00:48:03,933 --> 00:48:07,093
Speaker 4: When this is what you run to the microphone, run

722
00:48:07,133 --> 00:48:12,493
Speaker 4: to the cameras to to proclaim to the world, bizarrely

723
00:48:12,533 --> 00:48:15,813
Speaker 4: expecting most people to say.

724
00:48:15,653 --> 00:48:16,813
Speaker 3: Wow, that's fantastic.

725
00:48:16,933 --> 00:48:19,173
Speaker 4: I'm with him, I'm with her, or should I say

726
00:48:19,333 --> 00:48:20,773
Speaker 4: I'm with they or them?

727
00:48:20,813 --> 00:48:24,533
Speaker 3: However one is supposed to put it, and it's so,

728
00:48:25,173 --> 00:48:28,733
Speaker 3: you know, this is again the this.

729
00:48:28,693 --> 00:48:31,093
Speaker 4: Is the upside of the downside, right, This is the

730
00:48:31,173 --> 00:48:33,653
Speaker 4: this is the glass half full if you ignore the

731
00:48:33,693 --> 00:48:36,573
Speaker 4: poor people in Chicago, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, in New

732
00:48:36,653 --> 00:48:39,573
Speaker 4: York City who have to live through this not just

733
00:48:39,853 --> 00:48:45,693
Speaker 4: financial economic nightmare, transportation nightmare, but they have to literally

734
00:48:46,013 --> 00:48:49,613
Speaker 4: attempt to live and survive in what has become in

735
00:48:49,653 --> 00:48:53,173
Speaker 4: those cities, as in Washington, d C. Until Trump's send

736
00:48:53,173 --> 00:48:57,253
Speaker 4: in the military, a physical nightmare right where things are

737
00:48:57,333 --> 00:49:01,013
Speaker 4: so bad, so badly run that your yours and your

738
00:49:01,053 --> 00:49:06,533
Speaker 4: family's physical security is under threat. But as you've touched

739
00:49:06,573 --> 00:49:08,493
Speaker 4: on with you, you put much better than I did

740
00:49:09,533 --> 00:49:12,133
Speaker 4: late with your your turn of phrase, it's you know,

741
00:49:12,413 --> 00:49:14,733
Speaker 4: how bad do things have to get before most people

742
00:49:14,773 --> 00:49:16,733
Speaker 4: start taking not taking notice?

743
00:49:16,773 --> 00:49:17,613
Speaker 3: People start taking.

744
00:49:17,453 --> 00:49:19,773
Speaker 4: Notice quite early, but actually be willing to do something

745
00:49:19,813 --> 00:49:23,093
Speaker 4: about it quite so.

746
00:49:23,173 --> 00:49:25,133
Speaker 2: Now you don't live in New York. Can you live

747
00:49:25,133 --> 00:49:31,693
Speaker 2: in Washington or out just out of Washington, DC? Here's

748
00:49:31,733 --> 00:49:35,813
Speaker 2: the question of the day. Is it safer in Washington now?

749
00:49:35,853 --> 00:49:37,893
Speaker 2: Can you go out at night, go to a restaurant?

750
00:49:38,013 --> 00:49:40,893
Speaker 2: Can you walk the streets of Washington, DC? Without fear?

751
00:49:42,893 --> 00:49:47,533
Speaker 4: It's amazing how things turned around, one is tempted to say,

752
00:49:47,573 --> 00:49:53,893
Speaker 4: almost overnight. Right Washington had become, under the local government

753
00:49:54,333 --> 00:50:00,013
Speaker 4: encouraged by the Biden administration, had become by early in

754
00:50:00,053 --> 00:50:05,733
Speaker 4: the Trump administration, an absolute living hell in terms of

755
00:50:06,413 --> 00:50:09,573
Speaker 4: putting yourself at risk, so stupid to go out at night,

756
00:50:10,133 --> 00:50:14,973
Speaker 4: restaurants closing, leaving, businesses closing leaving. I mean, just a

757
00:50:15,013 --> 00:50:20,413
Speaker 4: ghost town at night, and just an unpleasant in all

758
00:50:20,493 --> 00:50:26,053
Speaker 4: senses place to be outside of the wonderfully subsidi sized

759
00:50:26,253 --> 00:50:29,853
Speaker 4: enclaves and oases of the federal government and some of

760
00:50:29,893 --> 00:50:37,133
Speaker 4: the local government stuff. But Trump achieved something very quickly

761
00:50:37,333 --> 00:50:46,333
Speaker 4: and very importantly in actually acting to prevent and prosecute crime,

762
00:50:46,853 --> 00:50:49,213
Speaker 4: right and guess what, it made a difference.

763
00:50:49,213 --> 00:50:50,853
Speaker 3: And it made an unbelievable difference.

764
00:50:51,493 --> 00:50:53,813
Speaker 4: And we don't know how lot will go on because

765
00:50:54,013 --> 00:50:56,133
Speaker 4: the wash that we don't know what the local government

766
00:50:56,173 --> 00:51:01,173
Speaker 4: will do. But it is a much much safer place

767
00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:02,653
Speaker 4: at the moment than it was.

768
00:51:02,773 --> 00:51:05,453
Speaker 3: Is no comparison. It's like a different city now.

769
00:51:05,533 --> 00:51:08,853
Speaker 4: So therefore, if you take the comparison today with New

770
00:51:08,933 --> 00:51:11,173
Speaker 4: York City, then it's very different. I happened to be

771
00:51:11,253 --> 00:51:15,253
Speaker 4: in New York City got two weeks ago for the

772
00:51:15,253 --> 00:51:18,013
Speaker 4: first time in a little while. I was only in Manhattan,

773
00:51:18,053 --> 00:51:22,373
Speaker 4: which is the you know, the sophisticated, cosmopolitan elite part

774
00:51:22,413 --> 00:51:28,933
Speaker 4: of it. Believe, even if financially I could claim that,

775
00:51:29,013 --> 00:51:32,893
Speaker 4: which I sadly cannot, I don't think those folks would

776
00:51:33,333 --> 00:51:35,613
Speaker 4: particularly want me as a fellow member of the club.

777
00:51:35,653 --> 00:51:36,253
Speaker 3: But there you go.

778
00:51:37,573 --> 00:51:42,053
Speaker 4: And I mean it's you know, the homeless, the vagrancy,

779
00:51:42,253 --> 00:51:46,533
Speaker 4: the aggressiveness, the crime. I mean, the subway is you know, boy,

780
00:51:46,893 --> 00:51:48,853
Speaker 4: don't you know you really got to need to use

781
00:51:48,853 --> 00:51:53,333
Speaker 4: the subway, lacking in options to use the subway, all

782
00:51:53,373 --> 00:51:56,773
Speaker 4: the rest of it. That's been well publicized, at least

783
00:51:56,853 --> 00:52:01,173
Speaker 4: outside of CNN. And so, yeah, New York City is

784
00:52:01,213 --> 00:52:03,773
Speaker 4: a bigger problem today. But if you'd ask me a

785
00:52:03,773 --> 00:52:06,573
Speaker 4: few months ago, I'd have said, well, New York's larger,

786
00:52:06,573 --> 00:52:09,213
Speaker 4: and therefore the problem's larger affects more peace. But Washington

787
00:52:10,613 --> 00:52:12,893
Speaker 4: has been in this bad situation for a long time

788
00:52:13,253 --> 00:52:15,453
Speaker 4: and we can't see any daylight but.

789
00:52:16,893 --> 00:52:17,213
Speaker 3: Things.

790
00:52:17,293 --> 00:52:20,493
Speaker 4: You know, it was darkest before the dawn in that terms,

791
00:52:20,493 --> 00:52:23,053
Speaker 4: but in that sense, and Trump actually did something about it,

792
00:52:23,053 --> 00:52:26,053
Speaker 4: which is now threatening to do, uh do to Chicago,

793
00:52:26,373 --> 00:52:29,893
Speaker 4: which is the Chicago government, like the Washington government, very very

794
00:52:29,933 --> 00:52:30,573
Speaker 4: upset about.

795
00:52:30,933 --> 00:52:32,333
Speaker 3: But I think I rather think there's.

796
00:52:32,173 --> 00:52:35,453
Speaker 4: Quite a few people in Chicago hiding, you know, behind

797
00:52:35,493 --> 00:52:39,493
Speaker 4: their sofas in the evening with their curtains drawn, who

798
00:52:39,533 --> 00:52:42,493
Speaker 4: were rather hoping that the military come in sooner rather

799
00:52:42,493 --> 00:52:42,973
Speaker 4: than later.

800
00:52:44,053 --> 00:52:46,093
Speaker 2: I think it was a few underground too, who would

801
00:52:46,173 --> 00:52:53,413
Speaker 2: like a second chance. Indeed, why is it then, Well,

802
00:52:53,453 --> 00:52:55,893
Speaker 2: this is a silly question because the answer is obvious,

803
00:52:56,093 --> 00:52:59,093
Speaker 2: but I'll ask it anyway. Why is it then that

804
00:53:00,493 --> 00:53:05,133
Speaker 2: so many politicians, like the mayor of Chicago and lots

805
00:53:05,173 --> 00:53:10,293
Speaker 2: of other people in positions that approach it, claim that

806
00:53:10,373 --> 00:53:13,253
Speaker 2: there is no problem in Chicago. We don't have violence here,

807
00:53:13,253 --> 00:53:16,093
Speaker 2: We don't have there's no call for them. The only

808
00:53:16,213 --> 00:53:20,013
Speaker 2: the only people causing the problem here are the the

809
00:53:20,013 --> 00:53:23,493
Speaker 2: the guys who've been sent in by the president. We

810
00:53:23,573 --> 00:53:27,773
Speaker 2: all know, we all know that that's a BS So why.

811
00:53:29,893 --> 00:53:32,653
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's because they think it's their only

812
00:53:32,773 --> 00:53:38,653
Speaker 4: chance to survive politically, and sadly, perversely, they're often proven correct.

813
00:53:38,733 --> 00:53:42,093
Speaker 3: Right, So you have so to talk about.

814
00:53:42,093 --> 00:53:44,613
Speaker 4: I mean, just talk about Washington quickly, and then Chicago.

815
00:53:45,293 --> 00:53:48,813
Speaker 4: You have the local government and the local police leadership.

816
00:53:48,813 --> 00:53:51,013
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about your average average cop. I'm talking

817
00:53:51,013 --> 00:53:53,973
Speaker 4: about the political people who found their way at the

818
00:53:54,013 --> 00:53:56,653
Speaker 4: top of the police department, who happened to be who

819
00:53:56,693 --> 00:54:00,173
Speaker 4: happened to be cops. You know, they're saying that what

820
00:54:00,253 --> 00:54:02,213
Speaker 4: is going on this is ridiculous. Trump, Why would he

821
00:54:02,253 --> 00:54:05,053
Speaker 4: do this. Apart from the issue of whether, from their

822
00:54:05,053 --> 00:54:07,373
Speaker 4: point of view, whether he had the authority and the power,

823
00:54:08,373 --> 00:54:10,453
Speaker 4: we don't have a big problem, right. And of course

824
00:54:10,493 --> 00:54:12,733
Speaker 4: it turns out that one of the neat ways in

825
00:54:12,773 --> 00:54:15,413
Speaker 4: which they were able to present this is by simply

826
00:54:15,533 --> 00:54:20,333
Speaker 4: fabricating the crime stats. It's just like last year Trump

827
00:54:20,413 --> 00:54:22,453
Speaker 4: during one of the debates, I think it was the

828
00:54:22,653 --> 00:54:26,893
Speaker 4: ABC debate. They they said to him, you made this

829
00:54:26,933 --> 00:54:31,213
Speaker 4: big thing about big case about crime being on the

830
00:54:31,293 --> 00:54:34,293
Speaker 4: on the rise, violent crime, but the stats from the

831
00:54:34,373 --> 00:54:36,293
Speaker 4: FBI say it isn't. And of course it turned out

832
00:54:36,333 --> 00:54:39,333
Speaker 4: that the major cities, the Democratic cities where most of

833
00:54:39,373 --> 00:54:42,453
Speaker 4: the violent crime is had stopped reporting their stats. Right,

834
00:54:42,493 --> 00:54:44,933
Speaker 4: they're just you know, so this this is this is

835
00:54:44,973 --> 00:54:46,693
Speaker 4: what this is the game that's played.

836
00:54:48,133 --> 00:54:49,013
Speaker 3: And its Chicago.

837
00:54:50,493 --> 00:54:53,893
Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, the lady mayor, who had

838
00:54:53,893 --> 00:54:58,213
Speaker 4: done an abysmal job on all things, including crime, she

839
00:54:58,413 --> 00:55:01,893
Speaker 4: lost her position in the same way that the only

840
00:55:01,933 --> 00:55:05,413
Speaker 4: way that Democrats lose their positions of power in these cities,

841
00:55:05,693 --> 00:55:08,933
Speaker 4: which is they lose the primary. Right, because the Republican

842
00:55:09,053 --> 00:55:11,933
Speaker 4: is always a no hoper in the general election.

843
00:55:12,013 --> 00:55:13,933
Speaker 3: You win the primary, you win the election.

844
00:55:14,053 --> 00:55:17,733
Speaker 4: The general election, you're the next mayor, senator, of congressman whatever.

845
00:55:18,373 --> 00:55:23,973
Speaker 4: In Chicago, Mayor Lightfoot lost the primary because things were

846
00:55:24,013 --> 00:55:27,533
Speaker 4: going so badly under her watch. Now you think to

847
00:55:27,533 --> 00:55:31,213
Speaker 4: yourself from a distance, well, okay, it's really bad that

848
00:55:31,253 --> 00:55:33,693
Speaker 4: things got so bad in Chicago, particularly on crime and

849
00:55:33,733 --> 00:55:35,773
Speaker 4: poverty and homelessness and all the rest of it. And

850
00:55:35,853 --> 00:55:38,693
Speaker 4: she did a terrible job on COVID. At least they've

851
00:55:38,693 --> 00:55:43,093
Speaker 4: come to their senses. Wait a second, who beats her

852
00:55:43,373 --> 00:55:46,253
Speaker 4: in the primary somewhat even further to the left. Right,

853
00:55:46,413 --> 00:55:50,213
Speaker 4: it's just like Cuomo, because it was a failed governor

854
00:55:50,333 --> 00:55:52,813
Speaker 4: and a tarnished and a scandal ridden governor by the

855
00:55:52,853 --> 00:55:55,733
Speaker 4: time he put his name forward as the establishment candidate

856
00:55:55,773 --> 00:56:00,373
Speaker 4: for mayor of New York for the Democratic mayor's position,

857
00:56:00,733 --> 00:56:03,853
Speaker 4: Democratic candidate for mayor's position, and he lost.

858
00:56:04,493 --> 00:56:07,013
Speaker 3: Say, well, okay, that's I mean, I can handle that.

859
00:56:07,013 --> 00:56:07,813
Speaker 3: That's probably a good thing.

860
00:56:07,813 --> 00:56:10,333
Speaker 4: It is a good But he lost to someone far

861
00:56:10,453 --> 00:56:13,453
Speaker 4: far crazier than him, right, And so it tells us

862
00:56:13,453 --> 00:56:17,093
Speaker 4: two things. One was, we've already gone over in terms

863
00:56:17,093 --> 00:56:20,453
Speaker 4: of why and how there are so many more people

864
00:56:20,493 --> 00:56:25,453
Speaker 4: who just don't get it, especially in those cities with

865
00:56:25,493 --> 00:56:31,093
Speaker 4: those compositions demographically, economically, et cetera. But it also tells

866
00:56:31,173 --> 00:56:35,613
Speaker 4: us what has happened to the Democratic Party itself. Right,

867
00:56:35,893 --> 00:56:41,213
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party is so far removed from its working

868
00:56:41,293 --> 00:56:44,653
Speaker 4: class even labor union roots. You know, it's not funny.

869
00:56:44,653 --> 00:56:48,133
Speaker 4: In fact, it's a crying shame. So it is now

870
00:56:49,053 --> 00:56:52,893
Speaker 4: locally and nationally it's a middle to upper class party

871
00:56:53,813 --> 00:56:57,173
Speaker 4: run by left wingers and liberals, many of whom are white,

872
00:56:57,413 --> 00:57:00,973
Speaker 4: many of whom are African American summer Hispanic, you know,

873
00:57:01,173 --> 00:57:06,213
Speaker 4: in certain states. But it's an up market crowd who

874
00:57:06,773 --> 00:57:13,533
Speaker 4: are power mad authoritarians, particularly on social issues.

875
00:57:14,333 --> 00:57:15,173
Speaker 3: Authoritarians.

876
00:57:15,213 --> 00:57:21,533
Speaker 4: They're anti capitalists, they're anti American, and they exist in

877
00:57:21,573 --> 00:57:27,533
Speaker 4: a bubble that doesn't allow any penetration from what rests

878
00:57:27,573 --> 00:57:30,173
Speaker 4: are called the real world or even sort of real information.

879
00:57:30,893 --> 00:57:34,093
Speaker 4: And so they they spout to one another, and they

880
00:57:34,293 --> 00:57:39,173
Speaker 4: and they spout publicly this these crazy things which are

881
00:57:39,213 --> 00:57:43,693
Speaker 4: demonstrably untrue. It's like Kamala Harris the few times that

882
00:57:43,813 --> 00:57:48,893
Speaker 4: she answered a question during the campaign about illegal immigration

883
00:57:49,253 --> 00:57:53,013
Speaker 4: and the invasion at the southern border and to simply

884
00:57:53,053 --> 00:57:56,653
Speaker 4: denied that that had or was going on, and said

885
00:57:56,653 --> 00:57:59,413
Speaker 4: that she and Joe had done a great job, right,

886
00:58:00,773 --> 00:58:05,093
Speaker 4: so they just they is to some extent, some of

887
00:58:05,133 --> 00:58:08,693
Speaker 4: them are lying on occasion, and others literally do not

888
00:58:08,733 --> 00:58:12,533
Speaker 4: have a clue what's going on, but because of the

889
00:58:12,613 --> 00:58:17,293
Speaker 4: nature of their respective electorates, they are able to often

890
00:58:17,453 --> 00:58:22,013
Speaker 4: survive it. And those who are more extreme and more

891
00:58:23,053 --> 00:58:27,733
Speaker 4: further disconnected from reality and from the lives, the real

892
00:58:27,773 --> 00:58:31,493
Speaker 4: lives of ordinary people that they quote unquote represent.

893
00:58:32,693 --> 00:58:35,693
Speaker 3: Are the ones who prosper politically.

894
00:58:36,853 --> 00:58:40,653
Speaker 2: Let me change direction here just for a minute, to

895
00:58:40,853 --> 00:58:43,053
Speaker 2: something that's connected to what we've been talking about, but

896
00:58:43,253 --> 00:58:47,253
Speaker 2: from a different angle. The headline is this isn't progress,

897
00:58:47,293 --> 00:58:52,173
Speaker 2: it's punishment. And it's written by an Australian academic from

898
00:58:52,293 --> 00:58:57,093
Speaker 2: Canberra who I'm familiar with. In the shadow of our

899
00:58:57,093 --> 00:59:00,733
Speaker 2: sunburned country and insidious forces at work dismantling the very

900
00:59:00,733 --> 00:59:03,653
Speaker 2: fabric of what it means to be Australian, it's not

901
00:59:03,693 --> 00:59:06,733
Speaker 2: the bushwires or the floods that threaten our identity. Those

902
00:59:06,773 --> 00:59:11,333
Speaker 2: are the battles we've always thought. No, the real enemy

903
00:59:11,573 --> 00:59:16,493
Speaker 2: is the creeping tide of modern communism, disguised as progressive

904
00:59:16,573 --> 00:59:20,533
Speaker 2: virtue and unchecked mass migration that seeks to erase our

905
00:59:20,613 --> 00:59:24,333
Speaker 2: unique cultural heritage in favor of a homogeneized globalist to

906
00:59:24,453 --> 00:59:27,813
Speaker 2: gray from the demolition of our Federation houses to the

907
00:59:27,853 --> 00:59:30,533
Speaker 2: silencing of political opinion, and now the swamping of our

908
00:59:30,573 --> 00:59:35,213
Speaker 2: suburbs with endless arrivals. This ideology doesn't just hate Australia,

909
00:59:35,293 --> 00:59:41,253
Speaker 2: it loathes the rugged individualism that it built. And I

910
00:59:41,613 --> 00:59:46,733
Speaker 2: skip a few paragraphs. Modern commonists, those self appointed guardians

911
00:59:46,773 --> 00:59:50,573
Speaker 2: of the greater good, view our sprawling suburbs as symbols

912
00:59:50,573 --> 00:59:53,653
Speaker 2: of inequality. Yet their solution is to level everything to

913
00:59:53,693 --> 00:59:57,773
Speaker 2: the lowest common denominator, importing waves of newcomers to justify

914
00:59:58,133 --> 01:00:03,013
Speaker 2: concrete jungles. Gone are the Federation houses bulldozed for soulless

915
01:00:03,053 --> 01:00:06,613
Speaker 2: walk up apartments that could be in communist Eastern Europe,

916
01:00:07,013 --> 01:00:11,773
Speaker 2: indistinguishable in the sterility. Our architecture, once a celebration of

917
01:00:11,773 --> 01:00:16,293
Speaker 2: Australian ingenuity, is now a casualty of this ideological war,

918
01:00:16,653 --> 01:00:21,093
Speaker 2: with immigration's pressure cooker effect on housing prices ensuring the

919
01:00:21,173 --> 01:00:27,093
Speaker 2: old ways are priced out forever. That's only a very

920
01:00:27,093 --> 01:00:31,973
Speaker 2: small part of it. But because I know the story

921
01:00:32,173 --> 01:00:35,573
Speaker 2: only too well, and I can connect it to here,

922
01:00:36,813 --> 01:00:39,293
Speaker 2: Except we don't have people in this country that can

923
01:00:39,293 --> 01:00:41,653
Speaker 2: write like that, we don't have people in this country

924
01:00:41,653 --> 01:00:45,013
Speaker 2: who are intelligent enough to know really what's going on

925
01:00:45,093 --> 01:00:48,253
Speaker 2: because we are under in a smaller way, because we

926
01:00:48,293 --> 01:00:50,653
Speaker 2: are a smaller country. We are under the same sort

927
01:00:50,693 --> 01:00:57,093
Speaker 2: of pressures both in education, specifically in education and in governance.

928
01:00:57,973 --> 01:00:58,533
Speaker 3: And it's.

929
01:01:00,253 --> 01:01:05,053
Speaker 2: Insanity. But there is still not the number of people

930
01:01:05,093 --> 01:01:08,253
Speaker 2: in the country who have latched onto it and connect

931
01:01:08,373 --> 01:01:12,133
Speaker 2: did it to what we've been discussing about what's happening

932
01:01:12,133 --> 01:01:17,053
Speaker 2: in America. Therefore, therefore there's nothing to be done really

933
01:01:17,333 --> 01:01:19,733
Speaker 2: as a As one last example, at the moment, we're

934
01:01:19,773 --> 01:01:25,493
Speaker 2: having a postal ballot local council election which goes on

935
01:01:25,573 --> 01:01:29,293
Speaker 2: for about five weeks or something, and there there is

936
01:01:29,333 --> 01:01:32,813
Speaker 2: such a low turnout that it's an open house for

937
01:01:32,813 --> 01:01:35,853
Speaker 2: for anyone was with great ambition along the along the

938
01:01:36,973 --> 01:01:38,813
Speaker 2: Socialists through railway track.

939
01:01:40,413 --> 01:01:43,933
Speaker 3: The Yeah, I mean, it's that's what you read. I

940
01:01:43,933 --> 01:01:44,933
Speaker 3: mean obviously that I mean.

941
01:01:44,933 --> 01:01:47,493
Speaker 4: I'm somewhat familiar with the Australian context, but obviously the

942
01:01:47,533 --> 01:01:50,373
Speaker 4: author is there was a million times more than I do.

943
01:01:51,413 --> 01:01:56,213
Speaker 3: But to me, to me, what he said, what you read,

944
01:01:56,253 --> 01:01:56,533
Speaker 3: what he.

945
01:01:56,493 --> 01:02:02,413
Speaker 4: Wrote, what you read rings true across every Western certainly

946
01:02:02,453 --> 01:02:07,933
Speaker 4: English speaking Western country, right, the same forces, because after all,

947
01:02:07,973 --> 01:02:11,853
Speaker 4: this is a global this is a global campaign.

948
01:02:11,693 --> 01:02:15,173
Speaker 3: And we're all, you know, we're all our countries are

949
01:02:15,173 --> 01:02:17,413
Speaker 3: pieces on pieces on the board.

950
01:02:18,133 --> 01:02:22,173
Speaker 4: Uh. And because one of the great ironies of all

951
01:02:22,213 --> 01:02:24,493
Speaker 4: of these progressives, whether you whether they are or are

952
01:02:24,493 --> 01:02:29,653
Speaker 4: not communists, there's certainly mostly very hardline socialists that these progressives,

953
01:02:29,973 --> 01:02:33,093
Speaker 4: what is the thing that they claim to be in faate?

954
01:02:33,093 --> 01:02:35,733
Speaker 3: I mean, they're against all kinds of things, racism.

955
01:02:35,373 --> 01:02:39,613
Speaker 4: Capitalism, you know, whatever, whatever, but they they the things

956
01:02:39,653 --> 01:02:43,253
Speaker 4: they're for. The thing that they hang their hat on, right,

957
01:02:43,453 --> 01:02:45,613
Speaker 4: is the most positive thing they have to say, is

958
01:02:45,613 --> 01:02:50,093
Speaker 4: that they're pro diversity. Right, Diversity is the answer to everything.

959
01:02:50,453 --> 01:02:53,133
Speaker 4: It would be the answer to our prayers, except we

960
01:02:53,173 --> 01:02:56,293
Speaker 4: will eventually all be atheists so that they will have

961
01:02:56,293 --> 01:03:02,453
Speaker 4: to stop using that phrase. But diversity is everything, it's

962
01:03:02,693 --> 01:03:05,333
Speaker 4: it's how we have a better society, a fairer society,

963
01:03:06,933 --> 01:03:14,213
Speaker 4: our economies grow, et cetera. And yet the counterintuitively may

964
01:03:14,533 --> 01:03:16,333
Speaker 4: maybe ironically it is a better way of putting it

965
01:03:16,373 --> 01:03:22,813
Speaker 4: is this homogenization which the author was touching on there

966
01:03:24,013 --> 01:03:29,893
Speaker 4: painting a picture that that Eastern European grayness uniform uniformity

967
01:03:29,933 --> 01:03:36,853
Speaker 4: of grayness. That is actually what they are, what they

968
01:03:36,893 --> 01:03:41,173
Speaker 4: are achieving, and what they want to achieve globally, certainly

969
01:03:41,173 --> 01:03:45,133
Speaker 4: throughout the West, where all of our societies are no

970
01:03:45,213 --> 01:03:49,573
Speaker 4: longer nation states, right they are. You could be in England,

971
01:03:50,133 --> 01:03:53,613
Speaker 4: fly to America, fly to Australia, hop over to New Zealand,

972
01:03:54,173 --> 01:03:57,893
Speaker 4: and demographically you would find each one of them more

973
01:03:57,973 --> 01:04:01,533
Speaker 4: or less as diverse as the other, right, any of

974
01:04:01,573 --> 01:04:05,813
Speaker 4: the others. That's the goal. We're just this multicultural mix.

975
01:04:07,133 --> 01:04:10,493
Speaker 4: And so it's sort of actually they want diversity, but

976
01:04:10,813 --> 01:04:14,413
Speaker 4: they don't want diversity between nations.

977
01:04:14,293 --> 01:04:18,933
Speaker 3: It's just within a nation. It's it's a very interesting.

978
01:04:18,533 --> 01:04:21,213
Speaker 4: Thing that they're they I'm not sure they're aware of

979
01:04:21,253 --> 01:04:24,693
Speaker 4: how sort of the kind of intellectual cul de sac

980
01:04:24,773 --> 01:04:29,853
Speaker 4: that they've they've brought themselves into, but there is you know,

981
01:04:31,333 --> 01:04:33,093
Speaker 4: you could say, well, there wasn't a few years ago

982
01:04:33,133 --> 01:04:33,493
Speaker 4: at all.

983
01:04:33,853 --> 01:04:37,573
Speaker 3: But there is a some reason for hope in all

984
01:04:37,613 --> 01:04:39,373
Speaker 3: of this in terms of what.

985
01:04:39,373 --> 01:04:42,253
Speaker 4: We're talking of describing, I mean, bottom line, we're describing

986
01:04:42,453 --> 01:04:46,693
Speaker 4: the cultural decay, right, the cultural decline that permeates every

987
01:04:46,973 --> 01:04:50,893
Speaker 4: aspect of our lives and is a if you like,

988
01:04:50,933 --> 01:04:55,293
Speaker 4: if like myself. You think that politics is downstream from culture,

989
01:04:55,893 --> 01:04:59,213
Speaker 4: then we should, we should have always and we should

990
01:04:59,293 --> 01:05:01,333
Speaker 4: going forward be as be far more wide of what's

991
01:05:01,373 --> 01:05:04,493
Speaker 4: happening culturally than what is happening politically in the moment.

992
01:05:04,653 --> 01:05:07,853
Speaker 4: And I say all this with a tinge of optimism

993
01:05:07,853 --> 01:05:13,573
Speaker 4: because we're in America, for example, you've had this quite rapid,

994
01:05:13,813 --> 01:05:20,173
Speaker 4: really dramatic, drastic change in opinion among the youngest adults. Right,

995
01:05:20,373 --> 01:05:23,213
Speaker 4: we knew the millennials came up and it was Obama

996
01:05:23,813 --> 01:05:26,213
Speaker 4: and the Democrats knew they'd be in forever because no

997
01:05:26,253 --> 01:05:28,413
Speaker 4: on knew all the minorities and the growing number of

998
01:05:28,453 --> 01:05:31,813
Speaker 4: minorities to vote is going to people were going to

999
01:05:31,853 --> 01:05:35,733
Speaker 4: vote for them always. But everyone under thirty, everyone under

1000
01:05:35,733 --> 01:05:40,493
Speaker 4: thirty five, they hated. They were like socialism. They hated

1001
01:05:40,493 --> 01:05:44,453
Speaker 4: the Republicans, all the rest of it. Now, millennials are

1002
01:05:44,493 --> 01:05:48,733
Speaker 4: not quite as uniform today in their late thirties and

1003
01:05:48,813 --> 01:05:52,853
Speaker 4: forties as they were fifteen twenty years ago as younger adults.

1004
01:05:53,293 --> 01:05:55,533
Speaker 3: But the Zoomers, the.

1005
01:05:55,013 --> 01:05:59,853
Speaker 4: Generation Z, these folks when they were sixteen or eighteen,

1006
01:06:00,333 --> 01:06:04,533
Speaker 4: they might have thought or default lefties or Democrats. They've

1007
01:06:04,733 --> 01:06:09,013
Speaker 4: a lot of them. They've gone through college, university, and

1008
01:06:09,813 --> 01:06:12,213
Speaker 4: or they can't find a job and they can't get

1009
01:06:12,213 --> 01:06:15,853
Speaker 4: out of their parents' basement, and they don't understand why

1010
01:06:15,893 --> 01:06:18,293
Speaker 4: feminism hates men and all the rest of it.

1011
01:06:19,213 --> 01:06:22,613
Speaker 3: And they are not only too many.

1012
01:06:22,613 --> 01:06:30,013
Speaker 4: To many of neutral observers, surprisingly right wing, but they are,

1013
01:06:30,973 --> 01:06:35,173
Speaker 4: depending on the issue, the most right wing group of

1014
01:06:35,253 --> 01:06:38,293
Speaker 4: any any age group, any age cohort you care to name,

1015
01:06:38,813 --> 01:06:45,773
Speaker 4: especially on matters of culture, hatriotism, religion. Right they are.

1016
01:06:45,813 --> 01:06:49,373
Speaker 4: And this is Exkew's male. But it's not by any

1017
01:06:49,413 --> 01:06:53,453
Speaker 4: means exclusively that you know the same. The point I'm

1018
01:06:53,493 --> 01:06:58,013
Speaker 4: making is still still it's still apparent. The data still

1019
01:06:58,013 --> 01:06:59,973
Speaker 4: are quite clear if you leave in a look at

1020
01:07:00,013 --> 01:07:03,973
Speaker 4: sort of female zoomers. So things have happened, both in

1021
01:07:04,053 --> 01:07:06,933
Speaker 4: terms of their lives and in their own daily lives,

1022
01:07:06,933 --> 01:07:09,333
Speaker 4: and then what the larger culture and the world has

1023
01:07:09,333 --> 01:07:13,173
Speaker 4: been telling them and what they've learned, whether that was

1024
01:07:13,213 --> 01:07:17,253
Speaker 4: the intended lesson or not. And so they are looking

1025
01:07:17,893 --> 01:07:24,013
Speaker 4: at their futures and they are looking back as best

1026
01:07:24,053 --> 01:07:29,053
Speaker 4: they can and thinking, you know, this country has lost something.

1027
01:07:29,653 --> 01:07:31,613
Speaker 3: You know, they recognize it in a way that many

1028
01:07:31,653 --> 01:07:33,533
Speaker 3: people my age.

1029
01:07:33,293 --> 01:07:39,053
Speaker 4: Your age, older latent are appreciating, often belatedly. So I

1030
01:07:39,093 --> 01:07:42,413
Speaker 4: don't know to what extent this is going to. This

1031
01:07:42,453 --> 01:07:45,613
Speaker 4: is a phenomenon throughout the West. I think there's some

1032
01:07:45,693 --> 01:07:48,053
Speaker 4: indication is there in Canada, it's there in the UK.

1033
01:07:48,133 --> 01:07:51,773
Speaker 4: I can't speak to New Zealand or Australia, but it

1034
01:07:51,813 --> 01:07:56,333
Speaker 4: does tell us one that younger people they're not only

1035
01:07:56,533 --> 01:07:58,613
Speaker 4: you know, to use the old cliche, they only are future,

1036
01:07:59,333 --> 01:08:06,093
Speaker 4: but they're also the nature of that future that they are.

1037
01:08:08,173 --> 01:08:12,653
Speaker 4: They are it is possible for them to be re educated,

1038
01:08:13,733 --> 01:08:17,533
Speaker 4: often more by personal experience than by formal education. That's possible,

1039
01:08:17,693 --> 01:08:21,173
Speaker 4: and it can happen quite quickly. I mean, I'm sure,

1040
01:08:21,173 --> 01:08:26,333
Speaker 4: as you well know, most political trends and changes, I

1041
01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:30,333
Speaker 4: mean is evolutionary, not revolutionary. But what's happened with the Zoomers,

1042
01:08:30,333 --> 01:08:32,813
Speaker 4: at least in America, is really.

1043
01:08:32,573 --> 01:08:34,173
Speaker 3: Quite quite stark.

1044
01:08:34,693 --> 01:08:42,093
Speaker 4: And the Charlie Kirk assassination is their JFK moment, right,

1045
01:08:42,693 --> 01:08:47,333
Speaker 4: It's they will always remember where they were when they

1046
01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:51,533
Speaker 4: heard that, you know, they will always remember watching every

1047
01:08:51,653 --> 01:08:59,173
Speaker 4: moment of that memorial service from Phoenix, right. Their lives

1048
01:08:59,293 --> 01:09:02,293
Speaker 4: are affected by that and changed by that, just as

1049
01:09:02,293 --> 01:09:05,853
Speaker 4: so many people were in the early nineteen sixties and

1050
01:09:05,893 --> 01:09:12,213
Speaker 4: for the next generation. So there is amidst all of

1051
01:09:12,253 --> 01:09:16,213
Speaker 4: this madness and all of this decline and arguably decay,

1052
01:09:17,253 --> 01:09:19,373
Speaker 4: there are threads of hope.

1053
01:09:20,813 --> 01:09:22,573
Speaker 3: And you know it is.

1054
01:09:22,733 --> 01:09:26,293
Speaker 4: I can't claim to have that one percent positive outlook

1055
01:09:26,333 --> 01:09:31,413
Speaker 4: that someone a better person like Charlie Kirk had portrayed

1056
01:09:31,453 --> 01:09:36,133
Speaker 4: and genuinely, genuinely felt, but there is there is some

1057
01:09:36,213 --> 01:09:38,533
Speaker 4: reason for hope amidst all of the darkness.

1058
01:09:38,693 --> 01:09:38,853
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1059
01:09:38,893 --> 01:09:44,173
Speaker 2: So I can tell you that the age group that

1060
01:09:44,213 --> 01:09:48,213
Speaker 2: I'm that I'm talking about in late twenties to early thirties, right,

1061
01:09:49,413 --> 01:09:57,213
Speaker 2: and when Charlie Kirk got assassinated, there was distress amongst

1062
01:09:57,613 --> 01:09:59,053
Speaker 2: a bunch of young people.

1063
01:09:59,093 --> 01:09:59,693
Speaker 3: Younger people.

1064
01:09:59,733 --> 01:10:03,613
Speaker 2: I know, they're not young people anymore. They're they're adults.

1065
01:10:04,613 --> 01:10:08,533
Speaker 2: And that surprised me because I was unaware of the

1066
01:10:08,533 --> 01:10:11,813
Speaker 2: the effect that he was he was having. I had

1067
01:10:11,933 --> 01:10:15,013
Speaker 2: no idea that they even knew of her, but they

1068
01:10:15,813 --> 01:10:20,173
Speaker 2: they were very keen on Charlie Kirk. So the only

1069
01:10:20,213 --> 01:10:22,773
Speaker 2: thing that is disappointing about it, the only the only

1070
01:10:22,853 --> 01:10:30,453
Speaker 2: gap that's left is that they couldn't understand why, why,

1071
01:10:30,573 --> 01:10:33,653
Speaker 2: why why do people do this? Why why did they

1072
01:10:33,653 --> 01:10:36,893
Speaker 2: have to kill him. Why you know that that that

1073
01:10:37,293 --> 01:10:41,813
Speaker 2: was that was a that was a real buffer for them.

1074
01:10:41,893 --> 01:10:45,813
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they I mean, you've probably heard more than enough,

1075
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Speaker 4: more than you wanted to hear from me on Mam Danny.

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01:10:47,893 --> 01:10:51,533
Speaker 4: But tying it back to New York City and what's

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01:10:51,573 --> 01:10:54,693
Speaker 4: going on there, you have in Mam Danny, you have

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01:10:54,853 --> 01:11:01,813
Speaker 4: someone who is at least implicitly supportive of a global

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01:11:01,813 --> 01:11:06,613
Speaker 4: into fader, right. This this is someone who is one

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01:11:07,853 --> 01:11:12,373
Speaker 4: full of not only anti American, anti anti capitalists, but

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01:11:12,773 --> 01:11:17,733
Speaker 4: anti Israeli, anti Semitic, all the rest of it. I mean,

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01:11:17,773 --> 01:11:22,013
Speaker 4: somewhat person can have whatever well reasoned, constructive critique of

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01:11:23,253 --> 01:11:26,293
Speaker 4: Benjamin Nutt and Iow's government and Israeli response to the

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01:11:26,333 --> 01:11:30,533
Speaker 4: Hamass attacks from October twenty twenty three, whatever, Fine, but

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01:11:30,613 --> 01:11:36,013
Speaker 4: we're talking here about someone who is simply.

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01:11:35,693 --> 01:11:37,613
Speaker 3: Doesn't like those people, right.

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01:11:38,733 --> 01:11:41,253
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it's because you know, he's

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01:11:41,293 --> 01:11:46,893
Speaker 4: a Muslim from Uganda or not, but he and those

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01:11:46,933 --> 01:11:50,213
Speaker 4: who support him, and both in terms of votes and

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01:11:50,253 --> 01:11:53,813
Speaker 4: in those in terms of give him the largest donations,

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01:11:54,973 --> 01:11:58,733
Speaker 4: they do not seem to like this one of the

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01:11:58,733 --> 01:12:01,693
Speaker 4: smaller countries in the Middle East at all, as much

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01:12:01,693 --> 01:12:04,853
Speaker 4: as they dislike the country in which they live and

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01:12:04,893 --> 01:12:08,253
Speaker 4: have done very well. So I'm saying all this because

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01:12:08,573 --> 01:12:17,133
Speaker 4: they represent a change in the mindset of political leaders

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01:12:17,213 --> 01:12:21,013
Speaker 4: on the left seemingly everywhere, but certainly throughout the West,

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01:12:21,053 --> 01:12:24,333
Speaker 4: and especially I think in America, and the Charlie Kirk

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01:12:24,373 --> 01:12:27,453
Speaker 4: assassination brought that out. I'm not talking here about trying

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01:12:27,453 --> 01:12:30,293
Speaker 4: to drill down into sort of who did what to whom,

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01:12:30,493 --> 01:12:33,173
Speaker 4: but in terms of the response to it and the

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01:12:33,933 --> 01:12:40,893
Speaker 4: the place the value that people place on human life.

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Speaker 4: So I mean it's a crude as a sort of

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01:12:44,013 --> 01:12:46,013
Speaker 4: a crude historical sort of lesson.

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Speaker 3: What I would say is that until fairly recently.

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Speaker 4: Both publicly, and I would also argue often privately, those

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01:12:53,773 --> 01:12:57,893
Speaker 4: leaders on political leaders on the left, they did not

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01:12:58,213 --> 01:13:05,733
Speaker 4: actually want to advocate their opponents' demise, death, assassination, murder. Okay,

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01:13:06,453 --> 01:13:10,853
Speaker 4: they recognize their ethics, they're values prohibited that, and they

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01:13:11,013 --> 01:13:14,453
Speaker 4: recognized also that you know, uh, what's good for the

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01:13:14,493 --> 01:13:15,893
Speaker 4: goose is good for the gander too.

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Speaker 3: Is that appears to have gone. Okay, that appears to

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01:13:18,973 --> 01:13:19,373
Speaker 3: have gone.

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01:13:20,213 --> 01:13:23,493
Speaker 4: And so not only do our political leaders on the

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01:13:23,573 --> 01:13:27,613
Speaker 4: left not join in in a moment of truly national

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01:13:27,653 --> 01:13:30,453
Speaker 4: mourning for a non politician, the case with Charlie, a

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01:13:30,533 --> 01:13:33,333
Speaker 4: non politician who, whether you agree with them or not,

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01:13:33,453 --> 01:13:36,413
Speaker 4: has lived a very good life, arguably in the best

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01:13:36,453 --> 01:13:39,973
Speaker 4: sense of very Christian life. But some of them actually

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01:13:40,373 --> 01:13:43,773
Speaker 4: cheer on his assassination. And so you have a mad

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01:13:43,933 --> 01:13:50,333
Speaker 4: Danny types that that that headspace says that everything is

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01:13:50,413 --> 01:13:53,813
Speaker 4: so important to whatever we think is important, is so

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01:13:53,973 --> 01:13:57,013
Speaker 4: important that not only do we no longer believe in

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01:13:57,053 --> 01:14:00,333
Speaker 4: free speech, not only no longer wish you or need

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01:14:00,373 --> 01:14:03,733
Speaker 4: to debate our opponents, but we actually don't even need

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01:14:03,973 --> 01:14:06,573
Speaker 4: our opponents, and the world would be a better place,

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01:14:07,133 --> 01:14:08,253
Speaker 4: you know, without them.

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01:14:08,733 --> 01:14:09,973
Speaker 3: And I think what.

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Speaker 4: Further to what we've been talking about in terms of

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01:14:11,973 --> 01:14:15,133
Speaker 4: the cultural origins of all of this, the cultural influences,

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01:14:15,333 --> 01:14:19,973
Speaker 4: I think where this comes from is that on the left,

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01:14:20,773 --> 01:14:22,973
Speaker 4: more so than on the right. There are obviously there

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01:14:22,973 --> 01:14:26,253
Speaker 4: are people on the right completely obsessed with politics. But

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01:14:26,333 --> 01:14:31,293
Speaker 4: on the left, I think because government, the role of government,

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01:14:31,533 --> 01:14:35,093
Speaker 4: the importance of politics political power is so central to

1135
01:14:35,173 --> 01:14:40,453
Speaker 4: their philosophy and ideology and their value system that there

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01:14:40,533 --> 01:14:46,333
Speaker 4: is nothing more important than advancing their political goals or

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01:14:47,133 --> 01:14:52,173
Speaker 4: preventing the advancement of their opponent's goals, right, so you

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01:14:52,213 --> 01:14:59,133
Speaker 4: can assassinating Donald Trump is unfortunate but understandable, even applaudable,

1139
01:14:59,373 --> 01:15:03,613
Speaker 4: because after all, he's another Hitler, right, and the world

1140
01:15:03,693 --> 01:15:05,493
Speaker 4: is better off, would have been better off if someone

1141
01:15:05,533 --> 01:15:09,453
Speaker 4: had killed Hitler, you know, pre nineteen thirty three. It's

1142
01:15:09,493 --> 01:15:12,173
Speaker 4: you know, and this is just how they This is

1143
01:15:12,213 --> 01:15:20,173
Speaker 4: their dark, harsh, bleak and scary, dangerous view of the

1144
01:15:20,173 --> 01:15:24,133
Speaker 4: world now. And you know it's it's why on a

1145
01:15:24,213 --> 01:15:27,933
Speaker 4: more gentle but still serious level, it's why they don't

1146
01:15:27,933 --> 01:15:31,013
Speaker 4: have friends who don't vote the same way. It's why

1147
01:15:31,533 --> 01:15:34,653
Speaker 4: so many liberal women dump their boyfriends when they found

1148
01:15:34,693 --> 01:15:38,053
Speaker 4: out they voted for Trump, or separated into divorcing their

1149
01:15:38,093 --> 01:15:41,613
Speaker 4: husbands because they voted for Trump, or are refusing to

1150
01:15:41,653 --> 01:15:44,813
Speaker 4: have sex with anyone who might have voted for Trump

1151
01:15:45,333 --> 01:15:46,933
Speaker 4: over the next few years, et cetera, et cetera.

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01:15:47,693 --> 01:15:48,533
Speaker 3: You know, people are.

1153
01:15:48,453 --> 01:15:53,213
Speaker 4: Acting in all kinds of bizarre ways, and the logical

1154
01:15:53,253 --> 01:15:57,773
Speaker 4: extension or illogical logical extension of an illogical mindset, we've

1155
01:15:57,933 --> 01:16:02,533
Speaker 4: found it in these folks who politicize everything to the

1156
01:16:02,613 --> 01:16:07,893
Speaker 4: point where there are no limits, Right, there are no limits,

1157
01:16:07,933 --> 01:16:10,973
Speaker 4: and you can do whatever you need to do to

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01:16:11,093 --> 01:16:16,133
Speaker 4: eliminate the threat from the opposing voice, person argument, et cetera.

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01:16:17,733 --> 01:16:20,493
Speaker 2: This is something to ponder in that isn't there? If

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01:16:20,533 --> 01:16:24,493
Speaker 2: I may, I'm going to ask you one more your

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01:16:24,533 --> 01:16:27,373
Speaker 2: opinion on one more thing. Anti Semitism?

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01:16:27,933 --> 01:16:28,213
Speaker 3: Have you?

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01:16:28,533 --> 01:16:30,573
Speaker 2: Have you witnessed much where you are.

1164
01:16:31,693 --> 01:16:35,733
Speaker 3: I A little, A little? There is there isn't.

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01:16:35,573 --> 01:16:41,453
Speaker 4: A particularly large Jewish community, but there is a sort

1166
01:16:41,493 --> 01:16:46,933
Speaker 4: of a fairly affluent, politically liberal Jewish community that is

1167
01:16:47,693 --> 01:16:52,933
Speaker 4: quite homogeneous, quite orthodox, quite self sufficient.

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01:16:53,573 --> 01:16:59,573
Speaker 3: And they are, like most liberal.

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01:17:00,653 --> 01:17:07,973
Speaker 4: American Jews are, I don't know, reluctant, reluctant to such

1170
01:17:08,053 --> 01:17:10,933
Speaker 4: stand their ground would be unfair, but reluctant to voice

1171
01:17:12,253 --> 01:17:15,173
Speaker 4: voice their fears and frustrations publicly. I mean, they might

1172
01:17:15,213 --> 01:17:18,613
Speaker 4: do it personally, right, that sort of a thing. But

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01:17:18,653 --> 01:17:22,453
Speaker 4: there's no I mean no question. I mean it's this

1174
01:17:22,613 --> 01:17:26,773
Speaker 4: is the thing, right, is that anti Semitism has never

1175
01:17:26,813 --> 01:17:30,493
Speaker 4: gone away. I would argue that over the last century

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01:17:30,493 --> 01:17:34,173
Speaker 4: it appeared to have have declined quite a bit, thank goodness,

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01:17:34,333 --> 01:17:38,293
Speaker 4: along with you know, most racist sentiments, et cetera, et cetera.

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01:17:38,893 --> 01:17:42,813
Speaker 4: But where we are today is that there's no question

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01:17:42,933 --> 01:17:46,453
Speaker 4: in the UK, I mean Canada. It's unbelievable how many

1180
01:17:46,813 --> 01:17:53,733
Speaker 4: incidents of anti Semitic violence. It's just I mean, proportionately,

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01:17:53,733 --> 01:17:57,493
Speaker 4: it's just stunning, absolutely staggering. Problems obviously just you know,

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01:17:58,693 --> 01:18:02,373
Speaker 4: killings last week in the United Kingdom. Definitely problems in

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01:18:02,413 --> 01:18:06,373
Speaker 4: the United States as well. But along with the rise,

1184
01:18:06,773 --> 01:18:10,813
Speaker 4: maybe it's it's it's it's it's because of the rise,

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01:18:10,893 --> 01:18:13,453
Speaker 4: the result of the rise, consequence of the rise, I

1186
01:18:13,493 --> 01:18:18,413
Speaker 4: don't know. But where we are is that people are

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01:18:18,533 --> 01:18:23,933
Speaker 4: quite comfortable voicing their views against not just against Israel,

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01:18:23,933 --> 01:18:27,413
Speaker 4: but against Jewish people generally. I mean for those of

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01:18:27,493 --> 01:18:30,173
Speaker 4: us who you know, went to school in another century,

1190
01:18:32,173 --> 01:18:35,093
Speaker 4: something that was just drummed into you again, you know,

1191
01:18:35,253 --> 01:18:38,333
Speaker 4: was what you the one you shouldn't have views that

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01:18:38,373 --> 01:18:40,853
Speaker 4: are against people of another race or religion, et cetera.

1193
01:18:41,373 --> 01:18:44,013
Speaker 4: But the last thing you would ever do is voice

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01:18:44,053 --> 01:18:47,813
Speaker 4: any of them, right, I mean, the social the social discipline,

1195
01:18:48,533 --> 01:18:54,653
Speaker 4: the social controls in place with such to prevent unpleasantness

1196
01:18:54,973 --> 01:18:59,493
Speaker 4: from people who who didn't know better. But now we

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01:18:59,733 --> 01:19:04,853
Speaker 4: have so many people seemingly are quite comfortable, I mean,

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01:19:04,853 --> 01:19:08,333
Speaker 4: in fact, quite proud to voice there in this case

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01:19:08,453 --> 01:19:14,133
Speaker 4: anti submissive Semitic views and I think it's it's a

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01:19:14,213 --> 01:19:16,533
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's a thread, or at least the

1201
01:19:16,813 --> 01:19:19,653
Speaker 4: parallels what I was saying there about, you know, the

1202
01:19:19,733 --> 01:19:22,173
Speaker 4: extreme version of the extream of it being you know,

1203
01:19:22,453 --> 01:19:24,253
Speaker 4: quite happy to say, yeah, I think the people I

1204
01:19:24,293 --> 01:19:27,773
Speaker 4: disagree with should be dead and their and their families.

1205
01:19:28,653 --> 01:19:32,373
Speaker 4: And it's it's a similar thing. Uh, And it has

1206
01:19:32,453 --> 01:19:39,533
Speaker 4: been it's been exacerbated by the immigrant groups who have

1207
01:19:39,733 --> 01:19:45,253
Speaker 4: been prioritized and favored into Canada, the.

1208
01:19:45,293 --> 01:19:50,613
Speaker 3: US, the UK. They New Zealand, they have brought they have.

1209
01:19:51,653 --> 01:19:54,053
Speaker 4: I sorry you probably you know, your audience probably isn't

1210
01:19:54,053 --> 01:19:54,773
Speaker 4: prepared for this.

1211
01:19:54,773 --> 01:19:57,053
Speaker 3: This news flash is breaking newsflash, latent.

1212
01:19:57,213 --> 01:19:59,413
Speaker 4: But I can tell you and your audience that when

1213
01:19:59,493 --> 01:20:03,093
Speaker 4: people come from a very different culture, they bring some

1214
01:20:03,213 --> 01:20:06,173
Speaker 4: of that culture with them, good and bad, and they

1215
01:20:06,173 --> 01:20:11,693
Speaker 4: don't immediately become one hundred percent and Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, Americans,

1216
01:20:11,853 --> 01:20:15,853
Speaker 4: Brits and so, you know, we're seeing that in our politics.

1217
01:20:15,893 --> 01:20:20,093
Speaker 4: We're seeing that in the young people rallying for man Dani.

1218
01:20:20,333 --> 01:20:23,813
Speaker 4: We're seeing that in the people who've been the white

1219
01:20:23,933 --> 01:20:28,853
Speaker 4: liberal college students who have been so miseducated that their

1220
01:20:28,933 --> 01:20:32,413
Speaker 4: whole you know, the more diverse among them, you know,

1221
01:20:32,853 --> 01:20:36,693
Speaker 4: hold up these Queers for Palestine banners at the anti

1222
01:20:36,813 --> 01:20:42,613
Speaker 4: Israeli rallies. You know, So where do you begin to

1223
01:20:42,653 --> 01:20:46,173
Speaker 4: disentangle the logical nature of all of that.

1224
01:20:46,573 --> 01:20:49,733
Speaker 3: So it is quite unnerving.

1225
01:20:49,933 --> 01:20:55,533
Speaker 4: It's as if we're living the nineteen twenties early thirties.

1226
01:20:55,093 --> 01:20:59,493
Speaker 3: Again in much of the West, in that we are.

1227
01:21:00,133 --> 01:21:06,213
Speaker 4: Separating into camps into people are feeling like many young people,

1228
01:21:06,373 --> 01:21:09,133
Speaker 4: from what I've read and I've people I've talked to

1229
01:21:09,293 --> 01:21:12,813
Speaker 4: who were sort of you know, who were president at

1230
01:21:12,813 --> 01:21:15,853
Speaker 4: the time in the late twenties and early thirties, many

1231
01:21:15,933 --> 01:21:19,373
Speaker 4: young people, particularly educated young you know, formally educated young people,

1232
01:21:19,933 --> 01:21:23,653
Speaker 4: they felt the world was on was in such trouble

1233
01:21:24,133 --> 01:21:26,173
Speaker 4: and could go was going to go one way or

1234
01:21:26,173 --> 01:21:29,013
Speaker 4: the other, and it was going to be ugly that

1235
01:21:29,053 --> 01:21:31,733
Speaker 4: they had to pick a side, so they went to

1236
01:21:31,813 --> 01:21:35,013
Speaker 4: Spain to fight Franco or you know, whatever it might be.

1237
01:21:35,053 --> 01:21:37,453
Speaker 4: You know, they in the case of the famous you know,

1238
01:21:37,493 --> 01:21:40,333
Speaker 4: the the the Cambridge Spies, you know, they spied for

1239
01:21:40,373 --> 01:21:42,693
Speaker 4: the They spied for the Soviets because they thought that

1240
01:21:42,773 --> 01:21:44,533
Speaker 4: was the way to keep the fascists out and all

1241
01:21:44,533 --> 01:21:46,453
Speaker 4: this kind of thing and I think there's a lot

1242
01:21:46,493 --> 01:21:48,493
Speaker 4: of there's a lot of that. I've got to pick

1243
01:21:48,533 --> 01:21:52,973
Speaker 4: a side. We we have to be hardline and doctrinaire,

1244
01:21:53,093 --> 01:21:54,293
Speaker 4: and it's all black and white.

1245
01:21:54,493 --> 01:21:56,093
Speaker 3: Because the steaks are so high.

1246
01:21:56,213 --> 01:21:58,093
Speaker 4: Just why we can we can assassinate Trump, we can

1247
01:21:58,173 --> 01:22:01,453
Speaker 4: kill Charlie Kirk, we can assassinate net Nau if we

1248
01:22:01,493 --> 01:22:06,573
Speaker 4: get a chance, because the steaks are so high. This, this,

1249
01:22:06,573 --> 01:22:11,853
Speaker 4: this so much to play for. And so it means

1250
01:22:11,893 --> 01:22:14,973
Speaker 4: both I have to defend my corner to a to

1251
01:22:15,013 --> 01:22:17,293
Speaker 4: a degree and to an extent that I wouldn't have

1252
01:22:17,333 --> 01:22:20,693
Speaker 4: imagined doing so, especially or admitting to before.

1253
01:22:21,053 --> 01:22:23,093
Speaker 3: But it also means that.

1254
01:22:23,053 --> 01:22:25,693
Speaker 4: I have to be on the front foot and aggressive

1255
01:22:26,053 --> 01:22:28,773
Speaker 4: towards those I disagree with, those who I not simply

1256
01:22:28,813 --> 01:22:32,413
Speaker 4: disagree with, but I think are actually pose a threat

1257
01:22:32,453 --> 01:22:32,653
Speaker 4: to me.

1258
01:22:33,213 --> 01:22:36,773
Speaker 3: Right, And so you've you've got this.

1259
01:22:37,493 --> 01:22:40,413
Speaker 4: I think you've got all these things going on, And

1260
01:22:40,773 --> 01:22:44,053
Speaker 4: the most obvious one right now is, of course the

1261
01:22:44,133 --> 01:22:49,213
Speaker 4: uptick sounds sounds a bit you're formistic to prove that way,

1262
01:22:49,213 --> 01:22:55,533
Speaker 4: but the clear growth in antimi anti Semitism, and most

1263
01:22:55,653 --> 01:22:57,133
Speaker 4: notably anti Semitic.

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01:22:56,853 --> 01:23:01,893
Speaker 2: Violence, and it's frightening, absolutely so on that happy note.

1265
01:23:02,133 --> 01:23:04,693
Speaker 2: I think we will go away and think about all

1266
01:23:04,733 --> 01:23:07,973
Speaker 2: of this, because there has been much to think about this.

1267
01:23:08,373 --> 01:23:11,013
Speaker 2: It's been you've been generous again with your time, and

1268
01:23:11,093 --> 01:23:12,533
Speaker 2: it's appreciated or was.

1269
01:23:12,533 --> 01:23:13,173
Speaker 3: My pleasure late?

1270
01:23:13,213 --> 01:23:15,533
Speaker 4: And I appreciate the time and the care you spend

1271
01:23:16,253 --> 01:23:26,693
Speaker 4: talking with me, and it's both an honor and a privilege.

1272
01:23:34,693 --> 01:23:37,813
Speaker 2: Another mail room for podcast three hundred and five, missus

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01:23:37,853 --> 01:23:40,653
Speaker 2: producer Hi Layton, how are you It comes after three O.

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Speaker 5: Five three O six?

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01:23:42,413 --> 01:23:47,093
Speaker 3: Would it be speaking of a holiday? Hey, I'm with

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01:23:47,173 --> 01:23:48,133
Speaker 3: you all right.

1277
01:23:48,813 --> 01:23:53,213
Speaker 2: The judiciary and avoiding ivory towers of hubris and nippotism.

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01:23:53,813 --> 01:23:57,133
Speaker 2: I agree with mister Partridge while engaging the metaphor that

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01:23:57,453 --> 01:24:02,533
Speaker 2: the Empress slash Emperor and their new clothes clothes close

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01:24:02,613 --> 01:24:06,973
Speaker 2: quote esconced in potential ivory towers and hubris. Being a

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01:24:07,013 --> 01:24:09,653
Speaker 2: small country, New Zealand all so needs to be mindful

1282
01:24:09,693 --> 01:24:15,293
Speaker 2: of potential nepotism and cliques of familiarity that can hinder impartiality.

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01:24:15,933 --> 01:24:19,973
Speaker 2: New Zeald also needs the security of one unifying system

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01:24:20,053 --> 01:24:24,133
Speaker 2: of law, namely the Westminster system to avoid a Hodgepotch

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Speaker 2: of miscellany. Too many cooks can spoil the Broth. Also

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01:24:28,693 --> 01:24:31,093
Speaker 2: the phrase to sell one's inheritance for a mess of

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01:24:31,093 --> 01:24:34,293
Speaker 2: pottage harks back to the biblical Esau, who sold his

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01:24:34,333 --> 01:24:37,133
Speaker 2: birthright for a plate of lentils. For the sake of

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01:24:37,213 --> 01:24:41,813
Speaker 2: social cohesion and clarity, New Zealand needs to remain secure

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01:24:41,933 --> 01:24:44,973
Speaker 2: under one rule of law and one system of government.

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Speaker 2: Banana Marxism would simply destroy our inheritance of democracy and

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Speaker 2: human rights. These are my thoughts for the future safety

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Speaker 2: and security of New Zealand. Ileen, I think that that's

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Speaker 2: quite agreeable.

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Speaker 5: Laton Gin, says Guy Hatchild. Reminded me of how willingly

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Speaker 5: I allowed gene altering COVID mRNA vaccines to be injected

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Speaker 5: into my body. I need to cause significant changes to

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Speaker 5: my genetic functions. The majority of us who were vaccinated

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01:25:14,453 --> 01:25:17,173
Speaker 5: now carry with us the guilty scars that remind us

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01:25:17,213 --> 01:25:23,013
Speaker 5: of how easily we can succumb to opportunistic totalitarianism. Perhaps

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01:25:23,133 --> 01:25:25,813
Speaker 5: that was the turning point that led to the ousting

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Speaker 5: of Jasinder rah Dern, the reelection of Donald Trump, the

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01:25:29,173 --> 01:25:33,893
Speaker 5: rejection of trans ideology, the surgeon Charlie Kirk's movement, the

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01:25:33,973 --> 01:25:38,533
Speaker 5: pushback against Keir Starmer's no Digital ID, no job policy

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01:25:39,093 --> 01:25:43,013
Speaker 5: and the JK Rowling takedown of Emma Watson that ungrateful

1306
01:25:43,133 --> 01:25:47,453
Speaker 5: brat rolling made famous and filthy rich. There is some

1307
01:25:47,573 --> 01:25:50,733
Speaker 5: change in the air. Guy rightfully mentioned that we are

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01:25:50,853 --> 01:25:54,173
Speaker 5: actors on the cosmic stage, and perhaps something cosmic is

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01:25:54,213 --> 01:25:57,973
Speaker 5: indeed afoot. But I challenged Guy with this. If we

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01:25:58,013 --> 01:26:00,533
Speaker 5: are actors on the cosmic stage, then who is the

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01:26:00,573 --> 01:26:04,453
Speaker 5: producer and director of the cosmic stage? I chuckled when

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01:26:04,493 --> 01:26:08,053
Speaker 5: Guy tried so hard to articulate God without using the

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01:26:08,053 --> 01:26:12,413
Speaker 5: word God. Perhaps it's time to get back to the foundations.

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01:26:12,653 --> 01:26:16,013
Speaker 5: Perhaps it's time to sing anthems like God Defend New

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01:26:16,093 --> 01:26:19,933
Speaker 5: Zealand or God Bless the USA. Perhaps it's time to

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01:26:19,933 --> 01:26:22,573
Speaker 5: share the good things in life with each other. So

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01:26:22,813 --> 01:26:24,853
Speaker 5: before I forget, can you please tell me what was

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01:26:24,933 --> 01:26:30,173
Speaker 5: Leyton's granola that was endorsed by missus producer. My wife

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01:26:30,253 --> 01:26:33,253
Speaker 5: and I both love granola. God bliss both of you.

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01:26:33,453 --> 01:26:34,933
Speaker 5: Gin I can't remember.

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01:26:35,133 --> 01:26:35,893
Speaker 3: I did know.

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01:26:35,973 --> 01:26:38,093
Speaker 2: It's Vogels. It was Vogels.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was the one with the least sugar that

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01:26:40,933 --> 01:26:43,453
Speaker 5: I could find, Because you come back from the supermarket

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01:26:43,493 --> 01:26:46,253
Speaker 5: with the really sugary ones, and I come back for

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01:26:46,493 --> 01:26:48,733
Speaker 5: you from the supermarket with the least sugar.

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Speaker 2: And that was the bogels, and that was the nutty one.

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01:26:53,493 --> 01:26:56,253
Speaker 5: Oh coconut and nut or something.

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01:26:56,333 --> 01:26:59,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll go out and get some and vogels.

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01:26:59,253 --> 01:27:01,013
Speaker 2: Homie Layton's favorite.

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Speaker 3: Hm.

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Speaker 2: This is from Steve Leyton and missus producer with the

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01:27:06,213 --> 01:27:09,333
Speaker 2: loveliest voice in broadcasting. You're rather sick.

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Speaker 3: That's you, not me. Oh thank you.

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01:27:11,693 --> 01:27:15,613
Speaker 2: Your rather significant mention of coincidence in the above podcast

1336
01:27:15,813 --> 01:27:19,813
Speaker 2: prompted me to relate my own significant coincidences in relation

1337
01:27:19,893 --> 01:27:24,253
Speaker 2: to Guy Hatchard's views. After having two COVID vaccinations and

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01:27:24,293 --> 01:27:27,813
Speaker 2: before actually contracting COVID, I was diagnosed with bowel cancer.

1339
01:27:28,493 --> 01:27:31,973
Speaker 2: It was diagnosed early, so all appears to be well now.

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01:27:32,693 --> 01:27:37,173
Speaker 2: About ten months ago, I was diagnosed with tachycardia with

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01:27:37,253 --> 01:27:40,373
Speaker 2: a heart rate of around one hundred and seventy bpm

1342
01:27:41,093 --> 01:27:45,093
Speaker 2: and hurriedly sent to the local accident and emergency ward

1343
01:27:45,173 --> 01:27:49,053
Speaker 2: of the local hospital. Whilst being treated, the head doctor

1344
01:27:49,093 --> 01:27:50,893
Speaker 2: told me that in the last three years or so,

1345
01:27:51,013 --> 01:27:56,213
Speaker 2: heart related problems had increased dramatically. Quote gone through the

1346
01:27:56,333 --> 01:27:59,013
Speaker 2: roof was the term I think he used. After being

1347
01:27:59,053 --> 01:28:01,213
Speaker 2: sent home, I had to visit my local clinic for

1348
01:28:01,253 --> 01:28:04,613
Speaker 2: an urgent prescription change. I could not get an appointment

1349
01:28:04,613 --> 01:28:07,293
Speaker 2: with my usual doctor for over two weeks, but a

1350
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:10,293
Speaker 2: new doctor had started that very day, so I got

1351
01:28:10,293 --> 01:28:13,093
Speaker 2: an appointment straight away. During our discussions, I asked if

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01:28:13,093 --> 01:28:15,493
Speaker 2: she thought there had been an increase in heart problems.

1353
01:28:16,013 --> 01:28:19,733
Speaker 2: She replied with a definite yes. I asked if she

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01:28:19,893 --> 01:28:23,453
Speaker 2: thought they were related to COVID vaccination. She said that

1355
01:28:23,533 --> 01:28:26,333
Speaker 2: she had to be very careful how she responded to

1356
01:28:26,413 --> 01:28:31,093
Speaker 2: that question, but said that she thought so, but was

1357
01:28:31,253 --> 01:28:34,533
Speaker 2: unsure of whether it was related to the vaccinations or

1358
01:28:34,573 --> 01:28:39,333
Speaker 2: actual COVID because nearly everyone who had been vaccinated had

1359
01:28:39,373 --> 01:28:43,653
Speaker 2: contracted COVID. Anyway, she had strong views of which was

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01:28:43,693 --> 01:28:48,133
Speaker 2: the cause. So Layton, I thank you for this particular podcast,

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01:28:48,493 --> 01:28:51,413
Speaker 2: but also congratulate you on your excellent choice of subjects

1362
01:28:51,413 --> 01:28:54,453
Speaker 2: and guests. I look forward to your program every week,

1363
01:28:54,893 --> 01:28:58,333
Speaker 2: so keep up the good work. You can read the

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01:28:58,413 --> 01:29:01,373
Speaker 2: last two lines, please, I can't bring myself.

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01:29:01,053 --> 01:29:01,453
Speaker 3: To do it.

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01:29:02,333 --> 01:29:05,093
Speaker 5: Mike Hosking and yourself are lights in a rather gloomy

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01:29:05,173 --> 01:29:08,973
Speaker 5: media broadcasting scene thanks to That's.

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01:29:08,853 --> 01:29:17,373
Speaker 2: Loving You, and it's amazing how many medicos are quietly

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01:29:17,773 --> 01:29:20,973
Speaker 2: able to address that question Leyton.

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01:29:21,013 --> 01:29:24,613
Speaker 5: Bronwin says, ah Leyton, you keep asking questions that we

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01:29:24,773 --> 01:29:28,333
Speaker 5: Christians cannot help but answer, how can you know you've

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01:29:28,373 --> 01:29:32,773
Speaker 5: forgiven someone that you really meant it. Christianity actually changes

1373
01:29:32,813 --> 01:29:35,853
Speaker 5: your worldview and you begin to see things more as

1374
01:29:35,893 --> 01:29:40,013
Speaker 5: God sees them. There is a constant spiritual battle going

1375
01:29:40,053 --> 01:29:43,013
Speaker 5: on around us that most of us are completely unaware of.

1376
01:29:43,853 --> 01:29:47,133
Speaker 5: Tyler Robinson is a young man that God made, who

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01:29:47,293 --> 01:29:49,973
Speaker 5: was knit together in his mother's womb, and he has

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01:29:50,013 --> 01:29:54,653
Speaker 5: been influenced by the spiritual forces for evil. Regardless of

1379
01:29:54,693 --> 01:29:58,493
Speaker 5: whether he asks Erica for forgiveness or not, she can

1380
01:29:58,573 --> 01:30:01,013
Speaker 5: still know that this is a young man whose potential

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01:30:01,053 --> 01:30:03,733
Speaker 5: has been lost, and she will hope that he can

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01:30:03,773 --> 01:30:07,253
Speaker 5: find a new path before he faces his creator. She

1383
01:30:07,333 --> 01:30:10,533
Speaker 5: will never forget what crime he committed, but she can

1384
01:30:10,573 --> 01:30:14,853
Speaker 5: recognize the greater forces at play than just Robinson himself.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's an interesting interpretation. I do appreciate

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01:30:19,813 --> 01:30:25,733
Speaker 2: the input now from Brett. A simple quote anonymous said,

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01:30:26,613 --> 01:30:29,373
Speaker 2: pay the servants of the state enough and they will

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01:30:29,373 --> 01:30:34,453
Speaker 2: control the masses for their masters without question. And then

1389
01:30:34,533 --> 01:30:39,853
Speaker 2: there is another longer quote. If you wish to keep slaves,

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01:30:39,893 --> 01:30:43,093
Speaker 2: you must have all kinds of guards. The cheapest way

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01:30:43,093 --> 01:30:45,613
Speaker 2: to have guards is to have the slaves pay taxes

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01:30:45,613 --> 01:30:49,053
Speaker 2: to finance their own guards. To fool the slaves, you

1393
01:30:49,213 --> 01:30:52,413
Speaker 2: tell them that they're not slaves and that they have freedom.

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01:30:52,773 --> 01:30:55,053
Speaker 2: You tell them they need law and order to protect

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01:30:55,093 --> 01:30:59,173
Speaker 2: them against bad slaves. Then you tell them to elect

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01:30:59,213 --> 01:31:02,773
Speaker 2: a government, give them freedom to vote, and they will

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01:31:02,853 --> 01:31:06,093
Speaker 2: vote for their own guards and pay their salary. They

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01:31:06,133 --> 01:31:10,653
Speaker 2: will then believe they are free persons. Then give them

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01:31:10,693 --> 01:31:13,973
Speaker 2: money to earn, count and spend, and they will be

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01:31:14,053 --> 01:31:19,493
Speaker 2: too busy to notice the slavery therein. That's from Alexander Warbucks,

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01:31:20,293 --> 01:31:23,293
Speaker 2: How I Manage My Slaves nineteen seventy eight.

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01:31:23,893 --> 01:31:24,333
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:31:24,613 --> 01:31:28,213
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to do some investigating it.

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01:31:28,293 --> 01:31:32,813
Speaker 5: After this, laden Alan says, I have been wondering recently,

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01:31:32,973 --> 01:31:35,293
Speaker 5: in light of the cost of living crisis, how much

1406
01:31:35,333 --> 01:31:38,613
Speaker 5: the climate change hoax is costing us all. In your

1407
01:31:38,653 --> 01:31:42,453
Speaker 5: recent podcast with Muriel Newman, she also referred to this issue,

1408
01:31:42,613 --> 01:31:45,413
Speaker 5: and now Heather Duplici Allen is suggesting there could be

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01:31:45,533 --> 01:31:49,493
Speaker 5: major savings in our energy costs if carbon credits were

1410
01:31:49,493 --> 01:31:52,853
Speaker 5: abolished in this sector. Do you have an expert you

1411
01:31:52,893 --> 01:31:55,533
Speaker 5: could interview who could provide an estimate of how much

1412
01:31:55,653 --> 01:31:58,053
Speaker 5: is being added to the cost of living because of

1413
01:31:58,093 --> 01:32:02,893
Speaker 5: carbon credits and other ridiculous green charges. Thanks again for

1414
01:32:02,933 --> 01:32:06,133
Speaker 5: your wonderful, truth revealing podcasts, which I look forward to

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01:32:06,213 --> 01:32:09,533
Speaker 5: each week. By the way, says Alan, I think you

1416
01:32:09,613 --> 01:32:12,693
Speaker 5: know the source of Erica Kirk's ability to forgive. Try

1417
01:32:12,733 --> 01:32:16,013
Speaker 5: looking above. It's the same place you and your listeners

1418
01:32:16,053 --> 01:32:20,133
Speaker 5: will find hope despite the depressing topics you must regularly cover.

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01:32:20,413 --> 01:32:20,733
Speaker 5: Mm HM.

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01:32:22,653 --> 01:32:25,773
Speaker 2: And finally from Malcolm, So enjoyed podcast three oh three

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01:32:25,813 --> 01:32:29,653
Speaker 2: with Muriel Newman. It's frightening how far off course we

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01:32:29,733 --> 01:32:32,213
Speaker 2: are and how much effort is needed to get us

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01:32:32,253 --> 01:32:35,653
Speaker 2: back on track. Totally agree with you and Muriel. Keep

1424
01:32:35,733 --> 01:32:38,013
Speaker 2: up the great work. Thanks Malcolm, frecure and.

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01:32:37,933 --> 01:32:40,453
Speaker 5: Brett says finally from me late and I couldn't resist

1426
01:32:40,533 --> 01:32:43,053
Speaker 5: listening to your podcast from a couple of weeks about

1427
01:32:43,133 --> 01:32:45,853
Speaker 5: Muriel back again. What a shame we don't have a

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01:32:45,893 --> 01:32:49,333
Speaker 5: system that would allow Muriel Newman to independently run for

1429
01:32:49,373 --> 01:32:52,493
Speaker 5: the Prime Minister of New Zealand position. New Zealand might

1430
01:32:52,573 --> 01:32:57,093
Speaker 5: well have benefited greatly from a dose of reality. That's

1431
01:32:57,093 --> 01:32:57,693
Speaker 5: from Brett.

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01:32:59,053 --> 01:33:00,653
Speaker 2: They just passed me that I want to have another

1433
01:33:00,693 --> 01:33:03,293
Speaker 2: read of it. What a shame we don't have assistant

1434
01:33:03,333 --> 01:33:06,613
Speaker 2: would allow doctor Muriel Newman to independently run for the PM,

1435
01:33:07,653 --> 01:33:11,693
Speaker 2: run for them of New Zealand position. New Zealand might

1436
01:33:11,693 --> 01:33:15,053
Speaker 2: well have benefited greatly from a dose of reality.

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01:33:16,093 --> 01:33:16,573
Speaker 3: I think.

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01:33:16,973 --> 01:33:21,133
Speaker 2: I think the simple response is I really like the

1439
01:33:21,173 --> 01:33:25,573
Speaker 2: idea of voting for people in certain positions individuals. If

1440
01:33:25,573 --> 01:33:27,533
Speaker 2: you only did it for if you only did it

1441
01:33:27,533 --> 01:33:32,613
Speaker 2: for the PM, I think we'd have shambles. As his producer,

1442
01:33:33,293 --> 01:33:34,813
Speaker 2: back for three oh six in a week or so.

1443
01:33:34,973 --> 01:33:36,733
Speaker 5: See you then, lovely, Thanks Layton.

1444
01:33:36,773 --> 01:33:37,133
Speaker 3: All right.

1445
01:33:50,733 --> 01:33:54,133
Speaker 2: Now, before we depart Podcasts three oh five, a note

1446
01:33:54,133 --> 01:33:56,933
Speaker 2: from someone I have grown to admire for a variety

1447
01:33:56,933 --> 01:34:00,853
Speaker 2: of reasons. He is a columnist, but he's also been

1448
01:34:00,853 --> 01:34:03,173
Speaker 2: a lawyer for a long time, and a whole bunch

1449
01:34:03,213 --> 01:34:06,173
Speaker 2: of other stuff. So let me let me introduce you

1450
01:34:06,213 --> 01:34:10,613
Speaker 2: to Kurt Slichter. Don't argue with leftist idiots. When I

1451
01:34:10,613 --> 01:34:14,413
Speaker 2: stopped lawyering full time last December, I stopped arguing. It

1452
01:34:14,493 --> 01:34:17,493
Speaker 2: wasn't just because I wasn't getting paid my ALI rate anymore.

1453
01:34:17,973 --> 01:34:21,293
Speaker 2: It was because the whole concept of an argument has

1454
01:34:21,333 --> 01:34:26,053
Speaker 2: become pointless. Arguing presupposes and requires a good faith opponent

1455
01:34:26,613 --> 01:34:30,213
Speaker 2: who will examine facts and evidence and potentially change their mind.

1456
01:34:31,013 --> 01:34:34,813
Speaker 2: That means an audience, an opponent, or an observer who

1457
01:34:34,813 --> 01:34:38,853
Speaker 2: will examine and accept evidence that leads to conclusions that

1458
01:34:38,893 --> 01:34:42,653
Speaker 2: are potentially at odds with prior beliefs. Well, take a

1459
01:34:42,653 --> 01:34:45,253
Speaker 2: look around you now. Do you see a lot of

1460
01:34:45,293 --> 01:34:48,293
Speaker 2: people who are open to argument. Do you see a

1461
01:34:48,333 --> 01:34:51,613
Speaker 2: lot of people whose minds might change? Do you see

1462
01:34:51,613 --> 01:34:53,693
Speaker 2: a lot of people who will look you straight in

1463
01:34:53,733 --> 01:34:56,333
Speaker 2: the eye as the sun rises in the east and

1464
01:34:56,453 --> 01:34:59,053
Speaker 2: tell you that not only is the sun rising in

1465
01:34:59,093 --> 01:35:02,173
Speaker 2: the west, but you're a transphobe for refusing.

1466
01:35:01,693 --> 01:35:02,293
Speaker 3: To admit it.

1467
01:35:02,853 --> 01:35:07,413
Speaker 2: Don't argue with leftist idiots. It's a waste of your time. So,

1468
01:35:07,493 --> 01:35:09,293
Speaker 2: having got that out of the way, if you would

1469
01:35:09,293 --> 01:35:11,693
Speaker 2: like to correspond with us who want to write Latent

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01:35:11,813 --> 01:35:15,773
Speaker 2: at NEWSTALKSIB dot co dot nz please do or Carolyn

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Speaker 2: at newstalksib dot co dot nz. As always, thank you

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01:35:19,933 --> 01:35:23,053
Speaker 2: so much for listening and we shall talk soon.

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