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Speaker 2: Hell are you Grant New Zealands? And Welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one twenty eight for Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the twentieth of May twenty twenty five. Things get heated

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Speaker 2: around toilet toilet utensils no kitchen utensils being used to

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Speaker 2: clean and drain. Boy, we got some in depth chats

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Speaker 2: with people that were ex graffitists and taggers and saw

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Speaker 2: their side of it. But I thought, tell you, we

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Speaker 2: didn't win anyone over, but it was very interesting to

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Speaker 2: look into their world. And boy, boy, that gas chat.

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Speaker 2: We had some experts coming in on that. But that

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Speaker 2: is a serious issue for the country and I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure how we're going to solve that one. But enjoyed

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Speaker 2: talking to people about it, and I hope you enjoy

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Speaker 2: listening to us talking to people about it.

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Speaker 3: So download, subscribe, give us a review five stars, all

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Speaker 3: that good stuff and love.

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Speaker 2: You give them a taste a keiwi from me.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adamsons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk said, be afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday. Hope

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Speaker 3: you're having a great day with ive. You're listening in

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Speaker 3: the country. Get a Matt, get a.

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Speaker 2: Tyler, get a you'll you great New Zealanders. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: tuning in. Got fantastic three hours of radio prepared for

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Speaker 2: you today. I've got a couple of questions.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Before Tyler, I was talking to you about the Bruce

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Speaker 2: Willis album Return of Bruno sounds amazing on LP. He

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Speaker 2: was he had an alter ego called Bruno. Bruce Willison

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Speaker 2: released hit albums.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I want to buy it on vinyl. I just looked up.

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Speaker 2: It goes for one hundred and twenty nine Americans. So

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Speaker 2: there's anyone out there across this beautiful country of ours

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Speaker 2: that has a copy of the Return of Bruno, Bruce

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Speaker 2: Willis album of fantastic hits, including under the Boardwalk.

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Speaker 3: Yep, hold on it, get hold of me.

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Speaker 2: I'll buy it.

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Speaker 3: What's the upper level you'll go to? You know, come

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Speaker 3: ont least took money three three dollars fifty.

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Speaker 2: You got to go to at least one hundred bums.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing the out of the deal. I'm starting really low, okay, right, okay,

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Speaker 2: right of suddenly so low to.

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Speaker 3: Develop it if you've got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right to hear from you. Hey,

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Speaker 2: And apart from that, I've got a quick question for

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Speaker 2: everyone out there. So I want to know who's the

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Speaker 2: bad guy in this domestic situation.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I realized that was a problem with some of

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Speaker 2: our drainage and sewage at our house, right, And I

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Speaker 2: worked it out. I was lying in bed, and I

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Speaker 2: worked out what would be going wrong. So I got

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Speaker 2: up first this thing this morning and worked out how

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Speaker 2: then or a plumber. Okay, so saving it's nice.

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Speaker 3: You feel proud doing that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did it. But what I needed to

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Speaker 2: do it was some utensils from the kitchen. Right, So

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Speaker 2: I took some utensils down, took a late look down,

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Speaker 2: using utensils from the kitchen in a sewage situation quite

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Speaker 2: So who's the bad guy in that situation? Somehow I've

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Speaker 2: to me, and then putting them through the same or

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Speaker 2: planning to put them through the same sterilization process that

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Speaker 2: is good enough for surgery boiling the utensils in a pot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but mate, I'll tell you why you're the bad

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Speaker 3: guy is because you told Tracy that you use the utensils.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't do that, you just go I

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Speaker 3: take my head off to your resourcefulness. Well done and fantastic.

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Speaker 3: You feel good as a man of the house when

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Speaker 2: Told her that you used the lader, Mate, I didn't

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Speaker 3: Why are all those using my good ladle while.

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Speaker 3: Coffee little things, and then you've got to chuck it out.

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Speaker 3: You've got to check out Ladle and say, I think

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Speaker 2: I think what I am is the hero, But somehow

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Speaker 3: Can I put a Dunce in there as well somewhere?

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Speaker 3: So either hero dunce or villain nineteen ninety two, let

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Speaker 3: us know. But we've all done it. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: But it's the fact that she found out that was

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, why do men use kitchen utensils with

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Speaker 3: Just put them in the well? To that tick star,

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Speaker 3: What would you prefer a clogged up drain or a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike has got this point. This is the kind

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Speaker 2: of attitude that we have to put up with. Don't

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Speaker 2: shower in the shower mat, You'll make the shower dirty. Exactly,

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Speaker 2: very good, exactly, Yeah, right, Okay, I think you one

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Speaker 3: Well I don't know about that, but yeah, all right,

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Speaker 3: move on with the show. On to today's show. After

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Speaker 3: three o'clock, we want to talk passports. Get this. Between

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Speaker 3: May twenty twenty four and April this year, a total

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Speaker 3: reported as lost. That is a crazy number of passports

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Speaker 3: that good old keyws have lost it and probably at

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Speaker 2: What the hell is wrong with us? That is so

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Speaker 2: many passports to lose. So over twelve thousand lost in

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Speaker 2: six thousand damage. We're doing something very wrong. But each

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Speaker 2: one of those has a little story to it. You know,

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Speaker 2: most times when you lose a passport, when you've found

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Speaker 2: out that you've lost it or you've found out that

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Speaker 2: stories there. So have you lost your passport? What is

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Speaker 2: the best way to keep a passport safe? Is there

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Speaker 2: a special way you can do this? And this is

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Speaker 2: the age of question. Do you leave your passport in

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Speaker 2: your overseas? Yeah, that's cutely good because if you leave

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Speaker 3: That has got to be a great chat. That's after

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Speaker 3: three o'clock, after two o'clock. Do you know this fella Pork?

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Speaker 3: Many you spend time in Auckland will be aware of

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Speaker 3: this vandal by his name goes by Pork or Porker

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Speaker 3: or Porkey that appears in graffiti on buildings, bridges, trains

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Speaker 3: two hundred ninety eight graffiti incidents have been attributed to

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Speaker 3: this individual. So if you are Pork, give us a buzz.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Pork will be listening to this. He's

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Speaker 2: Well it tends to do it under the cover of darkness,

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Speaker 2: but he does put it up on his Instagram page

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Speaker 2: so people can see it. And he's struck as far

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Speaker 3: Far out travels. Yeah, it was far and wide.

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Speaker 2: So I guess the question on this is eight hundred

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Speaker 2: artistically or I mean doesn't have any value at all?

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Speaker 2: I mean banks he does, But just writing your name Pork,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty muppet behavior, isn't it. So Look, we want

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Speaker 2: to talk to a current or recovering Graffiti's eight hundred

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Speaker 2: with you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What do you get out of it? You're weird?

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Speaker 2: Is there something mentally wrong if you if you feel

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Speaker 2: thing over and over and over again, do something productive

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Speaker 2: with your life. Yeah, if you spent that much effort

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Speaker 2: into something productive, you'd be a very successful person.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 3: It would be various.

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Speaker 2: If you put that much on to farming, you could

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Speaker 2: probably get undercut by overseas pork anyway. That's yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a totally different issue. So I just want to

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Speaker 2: many resources should we deploy against finding pork? Because surely

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Speaker 2: a detecative we'll be able to find him. You go

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Speaker 2: on Instagram, you can track him. You see where he's being.

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Speaker 2: Surely we can find pork and charge him for all

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Speaker 3: If we can get that guy before the hours out,

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Speaker 3: that will be a good thing. That's after two o'clock

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Speaker 3: and after wall. Actually, right now, let's have a chat

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Speaker 3: about oil and gas in New Zealand. So the Associate

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Speaker 3: Energy Minister says reversing natural gas policies will take time.

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Speaker 3: We know that, and exploration of new fields is still

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Speaker 3: banned and that's the only way we're going to solve

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Speaker 3: the situation that we're in. Shane Jones says the last

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Speaker 3: government wanted the sector shut down and faith needs to

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Speaker 3: be restored so that it has a future. I quote,

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Speaker 3: he says, since twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, when the

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Speaker 3: people lost confidence that there would be no future for

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Speaker 3: fossil fuel in New Zealand. That takes time to turn around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's it's a Look, it's a crisis, and

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Speaker 2: I mean, but how bad is it in New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: How bad are you being affected by it? And what

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Speaker 2: can we do about it? Yeah, if you're eight one hundred,

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Speaker 2: by it, by this massively depleting production of gas in

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Speaker 2: our country and it's gone down far faster than they

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Speaker 2: expected it to and a lot of that is to

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Speaker 2: do with the uncertainty. Uncertainty because if you're not going

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Speaker 2: to make a long term business out of it, why

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Speaker 2: would you invest in it exactly if you don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's just going to be cut off again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you on this, And coming up very shortly, we're

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Speaker 3: going to have a check to John Carnegie. He's the

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Speaker 3: chief executive of Energy Resources ALTAIOA. We've got some questions

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Speaker 3: we need to put to him because it is a

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Speaker 3: complex situation. So that is coming up its fourteen past.

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Speaker 2: While taking in an absolute pounding.

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Speaker 3: You certainly are well deserved. I've got so, Matt.

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Speaker 2: You buy four hundred dollars lego, just buy new utensils,

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Speaker 2: probably save one thousand minimum by sorting the issue out.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Sting, it's just a ladle. What was a ladle cost?

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Speaker 2: You are a bad guy, Matt. Oh my god. All

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Speaker 3: That'd be good afternoon. So we're talking about oil and

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Speaker 3: Energy Resources Alter John, very good afternoons. Yeah, good afternoon,

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Speaker 2: Let's get right back to basics. What do we mean

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Speaker 2: So okay, and how much are we producing and how

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Speaker 6: Well, if we most of just about all of what

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Speaker 6: We used to produce around one hundred and eighty two

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Speaker 3: But how quickly are we running out of the natural

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's a bigger question. It sounds unfortunately. I mean,

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Speaker 6: Every business, of course, needs to invest in its future,

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Speaker 6: So that's the issue, not that we're running out of gas.

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Speaker 6: We're running out of gas that we have available to us,

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Speaker 2: What was the plan, So if you were this must

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a very good question. I guess the expectation

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Speaker 2: And how much have gas price has gone up since

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Speaker 6: That depends on the specific contracts that gas users have,

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Speaker 3: Right, So where are we at at the moment, John

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Speaker 3: in place. The legislation is still moving through Parliament. What

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Speaker 6: It was about actually about getting that legislation right and

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Speaker 6: you know, the key part of that legislation, which is

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Speaker 6: it is the reversal of the oil and death span

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Speaker 2: But if that ban is reversed, can that not just

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, I mean that is obviously the big risk,

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Speaker 6: So the sector rightfully wants to be assured that it's

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Speaker 2: We're talking to John Cagney Carnegie, Chief Executive Energy Resources

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Speaker 2: at Tierra. Can you just hold with us for a second.

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Speaker 2: We've just got to nip off to it for an

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Speaker 7: Finals is in the studio. Let's get back to the

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Speaker 7: You've got money yesterday for Regent. Is it all coming from?

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Speaker 2: We have said very clearly that we can invest in

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Speaker 2: We're making some serious investments.

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Speaker 3: It appears natural gas is starting to run out in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we said before, we're going right back to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well there is because we've got a natural gas

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Speaker 6: And again, as we've all seen over the last couple

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Speaker 6: of years, as we have dry years, we need something

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Speaker 6: to fill the gap, and that will be flexible natural gas,

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Speaker 6: or it certainly should be, and we think that that

439
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Speaker 6: will have an ongoing role in our electricity system, a

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Speaker 6: smaller role, but an ongoing role. We need more natural

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Speaker 6: gas in our electricity system and for our industries. There

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Speaker 6: are hard to shift industries as well natural guess.

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Speaker 2: And John, just one last question that's come through from

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Speaker 2: a textra on nine two ninety two. We've got to

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Speaker 2: go to the news, but just quickly, can you ask John,

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Speaker 2: if I'm building a new house, should I put in

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Speaker 2: gas a gas connection or go all electric?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I mean that's I'd hate to give that advice. But look,

450
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Speaker 6: if the government's plans pay off, we will have a

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Speaker 6: revitalized guess production sector. But also, residential gas is always

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Speaker 6: a small component of the overall use of gas. There

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Speaker 6: will always be gas at the residential level.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, John, very interesting, Thank you very much for your time,

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Speaker 3: really appreciate it. That is John Carnegie, chief executive of

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Speaker 3: Energy Resources ALT here. All right, so we want to

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Speaker 3: hear from you on this. I mean, like, John, are

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Speaker 3: you're about to get into a new build situation, and

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Speaker 3: you're trying to toss up do I go LPG gas connection?

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Speaker 3: Do I go electric? And just there was a couple

461
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Speaker 3: of tech here about the price rise of LGB LPG

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Speaker 3: Guess I should say in some parts of the country.

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Speaker 3: The fellow who takes through said he's gone from at

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Speaker 3: two hundred bucks to four hundred and thirty bucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are you being

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Speaker 2: affected by the rise and gas prices? And what do

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Speaker 2: you think about this whole thing?

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Speaker 3: It airs twenty six to two.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: reversal of the oil and natural gas ban. It is

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Speaker 3: still moving its way through Parliament the expectations it will

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Speaker 3: become law in approximately a month's time. But we want

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Speaker 3: to hear from you if you're in the industry, if

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Speaker 3: you rely on natural gas for your workplace or industry, oh,

494
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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And on the residential level,

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Speaker 3: are you worried for your LPG, either reticulated gas or bottles?

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the price rise substantially over the last

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Speaker 3: few years.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is an interesting fact that gas does about

499
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Speaker 2: the equal amount of generation of power in our country

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Speaker 2: as electricity. So if we're going to get rid of

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Speaker 2: the natural gas, then we're going to have to double electricity.

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Speaker 3: If we can't do that, we do not well we could,

503
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Speaker 3: we just don't have the money.

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Speaker 2: Just half up a wind farm, which should be sweet

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Speaker 2: as Steve your thoughts on.

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Speaker 11: This, Yeah, good morning guys. I think it's a pretty

507
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Speaker 11: tough ass to even if we change the law, international

508
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Speaker 11: investment companies are with the uncertainty of a left wing

509
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Speaker 11: government potentially getting in in the future. You know, these

510
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Speaker 11: sorts of investment projects take years to come into fruition

511
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Speaker 11: before they're actually bearing fruit. And the fact that the

512
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Speaker 11: rug could get pulled out underneath any given September every

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Speaker 11: three years. I just think it's a tough art. What

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Speaker 11: I think we should be doing the government should be

515
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Speaker 11: doing it themselves, you know, developing some skill set. We've

516
00:27:06,933 --> 00:27:11,773
Speaker 11: got some skill set already. It's an employment opportunity. I

517
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Speaker 11: think there could be skills development as a mentioned, get

518
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Speaker 11: high school workforce, and if the government invested, there's and

519
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Speaker 11: there's a whole bunch of employment, local employment that's based

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Speaker 11: on it, that's reliant one. I think the likelihood of

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Speaker 11: a left wing government the going and and canseling that

522
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Speaker 11: gets missed.

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Speaker 2: So you think, because we've invested and it'll be harder

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Speaker 2: because I just hear that, and I go, well, if

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Speaker 2: they're willing to just put a ban on it, then

526
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Speaker 2: they might just be as willing to just pull back funding.

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Speaker 2: But you think that because because I mean, they didn't

528
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Speaker 2: seem to worry about the job losses and the effect

529
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Speaker 2: of the economy when they did it last time.

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Speaker 11: But I think if it's been if it's local government money,

531
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Speaker 11: government funding and are talking about spending more, they are

532
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Speaker 11: not talking about spending more. They always spend more and

533
00:27:59,693 --> 00:28:01,653
Speaker 11: talking about raising taxes is the only way to get

534
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Speaker 11: that money. Whereas, if you've got an industry where all

535
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Speaker 11: the profits are being retained hocally, you've got more control

536
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Speaker 11: over of the wholesale market if you're a major part

537
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Speaker 11: of that and just make it a state owned enterprise,

538
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Speaker 11: and that helps boost our independence and less reliance on

539
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Speaker 11: a global arm you know, on on on global players.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like a lot of it makes

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Speaker 3: a lot of sense. Do we have the capital though,

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Speaker 3: and the expertise to be doing that ourselves? Steve, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I love the idea of it, but I just think

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Speaker 3: the billions and billions of dollars these overseas guys have

545
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Speaker 3: invested in the equipment and expertise. Can we compete with that?

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Speaker 11: Don't I'd look at again, if you take a longer term,

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Speaker 11: I would say no. But you couldn't say the same

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Speaker 11: with hydro or any other power things that we've done

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Speaker 11: in the past. I think, you know, if you have

550
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Speaker 11: we have to stop taking three six nine year views

551
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Speaker 11: of things, look at the absolute long term, and you know,

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Speaker 11: this should be one of the you know that that

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Speaker 11: energy independence should be one of the things that the

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Speaker 11: parties financially get across party alignment on and go. This

555
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Speaker 11: is a this is a means to an end here,

556
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Speaker 11: and it's you know, it is not that catastros of

557
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Speaker 11: environmental impact when you have a look at it other

558
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Speaker 11: other options out there. I think there's just the emotional

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Speaker 11: thing of messing with the you know, doing a bit

560
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Speaker 11: of drilling, you know, but the emissions from burning LPG

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Speaker 11: is CO two, you know, I just think that feeds

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Speaker 11: the plants we've got, you know, just find some some

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Speaker 11: balancing way to neutralize that. And I just think when

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Speaker 11: they take the longer term, do we think.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your call, Steve, appreciate that, but I

566
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Speaker 2: think what you're up against there if you have that opinion,

567
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Speaker 2: is that there's some people and a large percent of

568
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Speaker 2: the population that are just ideologically opposed to fossil fuels

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Speaker 2: and so they will just look to shut the down

570
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Speaker 2: no matter what. But I mean that goes up against this.

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Speaker 2: Texas says without cheap accessible power, no economy will flourish ever,

572
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Speaker 2: and that that's such a that's you know, if we

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Speaker 2: if we don't, you know, we talk about productivity in

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Speaker 2: a country and our lack of productivity and how low

575
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Speaker 2: we are down in the OBCD countries in terms of productivity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One way you can increase productivity is having cheap power

578
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Speaker 2: source for your country, and one way you can lower

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Speaker 2: productivity is having a shaky, old, dirty old power supply.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But one of the Fishocks says, I understand it.

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Speaker 3: With this legislation that is going through parliament with Shane

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Speaker 3: Jones wanted insurance for these companies that if there was

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Speaker 3: a new government that came in, they turned around after

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Speaker 3: eighteen months or three years and said, hey, we don't

585
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Speaker 3: like fossil fuels fossil fuels anymore, so we're going to

586
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Speaker 3: ban it. You guys get lost that then we as

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Speaker 3: a country and the government would pay these companies billions

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Speaker 3: of dollars. And I actually think I'll probably in favor

589
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Speaker 3: of that. That if they're going to take a risk

590
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Speaker 3: and punt here and we can get a commission on

591
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Speaker 3: what they find, then we've got to be held liable

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Speaker 3: if we decide to change our minds. That's the only

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Speaker 3: way to get these guys coming back.

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Speaker 2: Right. But what do you say, Yeah, eighty ten to

595
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Speaker 2: eighty are you worried about our guest supply? Is it

596
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Speaker 2: affecting you currently in your business? I'd love to hear

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Speaker 2: from you one hundred eighty ten eighty seventeen.

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Speaker 5: A fresh take on took back.

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Speaker 1: It's Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons have your say on eight

600
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Speaker 1: hundred eighty youth talk the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It is fourteen two two and we're talking about oil

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Speaker 3: and natural gas within New Zealand. Our supply has taken

603
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Speaker 3: a big hits over the last quarter. As you can

604
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Speaker 3: expect after the twenty eighteen oil and natural Gas band,

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Speaker 3: So what can we do to turn that around? Our

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to

607
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Speaker 3: call esh you reckon we screwed up?

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Speaker 8: Yeah mate, Yeah, I'm vefitable by the whole climate change scenario.

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Speaker 8: It's sort of like a coult. We'll call them the

610
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Speaker 8: evy angelicals. I think we should be drilling hard out

611
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Speaker 8: for both to ensure finacial security and for by stability

612
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Speaker 8: all our own resources that are available in terms of

613
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Speaker 8: oil and natural gas, which if you include the Great

614
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Speaker 8: Southern Basin of that potentially I know it's very deep,

615
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Speaker 8: but potentially there could be a lot of oil there.

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Speaker 8: Encouraging everyone to buy evs and power them with cheap

617
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Speaker 8: Indonesian coal. I think I heard last year we've used

618
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Speaker 8: six times as much as we did the year before,

619
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Speaker 8: or something might have been a year ago, which seems

620
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Speaker 8: ridiculous to me e given that we've got high grade

621
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Speaker 8: goals here right here in New Zealand if we were

622
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Speaker 8: going to go down that road. But EV's have got

623
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Speaker 8: some real toxic and human ethics implications, you know, cobalt

624
00:32:35,453 --> 00:32:39,053
Speaker 8: minds and listening and put little kids dying and stuff

625
00:32:39,093 --> 00:32:43,173
Speaker 8: like that in Africa, and that seems the aakay with them.

626
00:32:43,173 --> 00:32:45,693
Speaker 8: They're not worried about that, are driving a queen a

627
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Speaker 8: green wagon And look, solar panels and EV batteries end

628
00:32:50,973 --> 00:32:52,293
Speaker 8: up god know as well. A lot of them are

629
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Speaker 8: gone listening even here in New Zealand. And it introduces

630
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Speaker 8: heavy metals into the ocean just on the.

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Speaker 3: Because we don't want a topic creep too much. Yes,

632
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Speaker 3: because on the question of EVS, regardless of how you

633
00:33:05,773 --> 00:33:09,573
Speaker 3: feel about that technology, you need electricity to be able

634
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Speaker 3: to charge up evs. So the fact that we don't

635
00:33:12,773 --> 00:33:15,933
Speaker 3: have natural gas and the supplies of dwindling to be

636
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Speaker 3: able to feed into that network, you know it kind

637
00:33:19,253 --> 00:33:21,893
Speaker 3: of it doesn't. The more EV's the worse for news

638
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Speaker 3: enand really tapping into that network network when we don't

639
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Speaker 3: have the reserves to prop it up when we start

640
00:33:27,733 --> 00:33:28,253
Speaker 3: to run low.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree completely, yeah yeah, And John John was saying, look,

642
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Speaker 8: we have got reserves if you just drill for them

643
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Speaker 8: off get natural gas and potentially oil as well, and

644
00:33:40,533 --> 00:33:43,773
Speaker 8: importing oil. There's a lot of missions produced just running

645
00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:46,933
Speaker 8: ships backwards and forwards twenty four to seven to supply

646
00:33:47,053 --> 00:33:52,213
Speaker 8: New Zealand with petrea chemicals seems a bit mad if

647
00:33:52,253 --> 00:33:54,853
Speaker 8: we do have our own resources. I used to run

648
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Speaker 8: an LPG wagon and old jaggs I had on a

649
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Speaker 8: vet with a vo and it does have issues, you know,

650
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Speaker 8: drives it out and stuff and can't wreck the engine

651
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Speaker 8: over time if you're not Cavil. But well, I don't

652
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Speaker 8: understand what it was. But such a fuss being made

653
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Speaker 8: about these small increments and the global temperatures going up,

654
00:34:16,172 --> 00:34:19,773
Speaker 8: and the fact that we're well passed the period of

655
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Speaker 8: an integracial which means that Greg Braden scientists geologists. He said,

656
00:34:25,253 --> 00:34:27,292
Speaker 8: if we hit the targets they want us to hurt,

657
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Speaker 8: we will enter a new ice age and possibly go

658
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Speaker 8: back to a snowball Earth like we had a long

659
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Speaker 8: time in the past.

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Speaker 4: Ago.

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Speaker 8: Ice ages are not fun times to be alive, you know,

662
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Speaker 8: like and there was a time when Earth was completely

663
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Speaker 8: ice free and there was never so much life and

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Speaker 8: so much diversity. Is when even the lights of Antarctica

665
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Speaker 8: were ice free.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call.

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00:34:51,013 --> 00:34:51,293
Speaker 6: Esh.

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00:34:51,453 --> 00:34:53,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just to go row back to his

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00:34:53,773 --> 00:34:56,013
Speaker 3: original point, Drill baby, drill. Yeah, you've been a.

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Speaker 2: Fan of that, are you, well? Esh was a big

671
00:34:58,093 --> 00:35:00,373
Speaker 2: fan of drill Baby drill. Yeah, one hundred eighty and

672
00:35:00,373 --> 00:35:03,533
Speaker 2: eighty drill, baby drill, Drill, baby drill. Are you concerned

673
00:35:03,573 --> 00:35:07,053
Speaker 2: about our guest supply into the country, essentially because someone

674
00:35:07,053 --> 00:35:12,133
Speaker 2: says here, Matt, Matt, you were wrong, Matt. Electricity generation

675
00:35:12,293 --> 00:35:14,733
Speaker 2: isn't fifty percent gas. It's like five to ten percent.

676
00:35:14,773 --> 00:35:17,613
Speaker 2: If you consider energy not just electricity, so include petrol

677
00:35:17,653 --> 00:35:20,093
Speaker 2: for cars, then yes, it's closer to the middle ground. Now,

678
00:35:20,133 --> 00:35:23,613
Speaker 2: what I was saying that if gas is in terms

679
00:35:23,613 --> 00:35:26,493
Speaker 2: of the entire power that is generated in New Zealand,

680
00:35:26,933 --> 00:35:30,893
Speaker 2: then if it's almost equal and used, it's almost equal,

681
00:35:31,213 --> 00:35:33,933
Speaker 2: and that that that is included also in gas being

682
00:35:34,013 --> 00:35:36,093
Speaker 2: used to generate electricity. So I guess it's kind of

683
00:35:36,093 --> 00:35:39,773
Speaker 2: a complicated equation, but it's almost fifty to fifty in

684
00:35:39,813 --> 00:35:41,853
Speaker 2: terms of the amount of energy produced in our country

685
00:35:41,853 --> 00:35:45,213
Speaker 2: being from gas and that being used for electricity, and

686
00:35:45,573 --> 00:35:47,973
Speaker 2: so you'd have to double the electricity or place gas. Yeah,

687
00:35:48,093 --> 00:35:50,692
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, But you know, I could be wrong,

688
00:35:50,733 --> 00:35:52,533
Speaker 2: but that's what I heard on the my costing breakfast

689
00:35:52,533 --> 00:35:52,933
Speaker 2: this morning.

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00:35:52,973 --> 00:35:57,253
Speaker 3: It was somebody in the industry, Andrew Jeffries, who you know,

691
00:35:57,933 --> 00:35:58,973
Speaker 3: somebody was talking about.

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00:35:58,813 --> 00:36:01,213
Speaker 2: Let's find that audio and we'll play that back and

693
00:36:01,573 --> 00:36:04,333
Speaker 2: clarify that. Yep, because you know what, I have got

694
00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:06,893
Speaker 2: things wrong before. I'm pretty sure you got that right though.

695
00:36:06,933 --> 00:36:10,093
Speaker 2: We both wrote down there when it is nine to two.

696
00:36:10,093 --> 00:36:11,693
Speaker 2: But we're going to play that audio next.

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00:36:13,253 --> 00:36:13,573
Speaker 4: Alky.

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00:36:13,653 --> 00:36:17,653
Speaker 1: We'll just let Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls

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00:36:17,693 --> 00:36:19,973
Speaker 1: on Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt

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00:36:20,013 --> 00:36:23,013
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talks.

701
00:36:22,773 --> 00:36:26,533
Speaker 3: EDB, News Talks EDB, and we are talking about oil

702
00:36:26,573 --> 00:36:29,893
Speaker 3: and gas in this country. A ban was put in

703
00:36:29,893 --> 00:36:32,853
Speaker 3: place in twenty eighteen. The new coalition government is looking

704
00:36:32,893 --> 00:36:36,373
Speaker 3: to overturn that. But will the companies come back to

705
00:36:36,693 --> 00:36:39,213
Speaker 3: explore for natural gas? That is the big question.

706
00:36:39,493 --> 00:36:41,813
Speaker 2: Someone's pushing back and they're blaming me. They're blaming me.

707
00:36:42,293 --> 00:36:45,013
Speaker 2: Someone's pushing back on your drill baby, drill talk, Tyler.

708
00:36:45,253 --> 00:36:47,213
Speaker 3: Are they okay? What have they said? Tyler?

709
00:36:47,493 --> 00:36:50,773
Speaker 2: Are you sponsored by big oil? There is there's twenty

710
00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:54,533
Speaker 2: five years left on existing exploration permits, So I smell

711
00:36:54,533 --> 00:36:57,933
Speaker 2: a rat. Don't trust big oil or big or big gas.

712
00:36:58,253 --> 00:37:00,733
Speaker 2: And of course the government is in the pocket of

713
00:37:00,773 --> 00:37:03,652
Speaker 2: these entities Jamie. So they're saying that Jamie is saying

714
00:37:03,653 --> 00:37:05,773
Speaker 2: that you're in the pocket of bloody big oil, and

715
00:37:06,213 --> 00:37:09,133
Speaker 2: so's the government. I wish, Jamie worsh I'd love some

716
00:37:09,213 --> 00:37:12,053
Speaker 2: of that sweet sweets oil and gas money, but they

717
00:37:12,053 --> 00:37:14,173
Speaker 2: don't pay me a sin unfortunately. Okay, So if you

718
00:37:14,213 --> 00:37:17,533
Speaker 2: found that audio before, yes, So this was on the

719
00:37:17,573 --> 00:37:20,853
Speaker 2: Microsking Breakfast this morning. His name is Andrew Jefferies and

720
00:37:20,893 --> 00:37:22,813
Speaker 2: he's the Inchelon Resources CEO.

721
00:37:22,973 --> 00:37:23,973
Speaker 3: Here's what he said.

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00:37:24,813 --> 00:37:28,533
Speaker 12: We have gas provides about the same amount of energy

723
00:37:29,053 --> 00:37:32,093
Speaker 12: as electricity does, so you can't do without the gas.

724
00:37:32,093 --> 00:37:33,613
Speaker 12: If you wanted to do without the gas, you've got

725
00:37:33,613 --> 00:37:35,933
Speaker 12: to double the size of the electrical system for a start.

726
00:37:37,853 --> 00:37:39,853
Speaker 3: There we go, don't say, we don't listen carefully. So

727
00:37:39,893 --> 00:37:41,053
Speaker 3: that nailed it.

728
00:37:41,213 --> 00:37:44,133
Speaker 2: So that's where I get my information from there from Yeah,

729
00:37:44,653 --> 00:37:47,853
Speaker 2: that actually shocked me, that information that that is quite

730
00:37:47,893 --> 00:37:50,933
Speaker 2: I mean, how can we do that? I mean we're

731
00:37:50,973 --> 00:37:54,373
Speaker 2: struggling to generate enough electricity right now without importing coal

732
00:37:54,413 --> 00:37:57,733
Speaker 2: from overseas to do it. And so until we have

733
00:37:57,813 --> 00:38:00,333
Speaker 2: a solution that replaces gas, if that is ever going

734
00:38:00,413 --> 00:38:02,533
Speaker 2: to happen, then what are we supposed to do? Are

735
00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:04,333
Speaker 2: people supposed to go without? And then what does that

736
00:38:04,373 --> 00:38:06,053
Speaker 2: mean for our economy and all the things we want

737
00:38:06,093 --> 00:38:08,093
Speaker 2: to do? And who gets hurt the most by this

738
00:38:08,493 --> 00:38:13,053
Speaker 2: stuff like staring electricity prices. It's the poorest people in

739
00:38:13,093 --> 00:38:14,853
Speaker 2: our country that get hit the worst, exactly.

740
00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:17,573
Speaker 3: And as John Carnegie told us, you know, our renewable

741
00:38:17,613 --> 00:38:20,213
Speaker 3: was reliant on hydro, and we are running out of

742
00:38:20,333 --> 00:38:22,973
Speaker 3: places that we can generate hydro. So we're going to

743
00:38:23,053 --> 00:38:26,733
Speaker 3: carry this on after to o'clock. Love to hear from you. Oh,

744
00:38:26,773 --> 00:38:29,093
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We've had a few people

745
00:38:29,453 --> 00:38:31,013
Speaker 3: hanging on the lines. We're going to get to you

746
00:38:31,173 --> 00:38:33,013
Speaker 3: after the news at two, but if you want to

747
00:38:33,013 --> 00:38:35,613
Speaker 3: tip three, you're more than welcome. Nine to nine to

748
00:38:35,853 --> 00:38:39,653
Speaker 3: plenty of texts coming through this one from DearS. Guys,

749
00:38:39,653 --> 00:38:43,213
Speaker 3: if you actually follow the science, you'll find nuclear is

750
00:38:43,253 --> 00:38:45,893
Speaker 3: the cleanest and best option. We've we've talked about nuclear

751
00:38:46,293 --> 00:38:47,893
Speaker 3: on this show many many times.

752
00:38:48,133 --> 00:38:50,973
Speaker 2: Good luck getting nuclear across the line in New Zealand,

753
00:38:51,213 --> 00:38:52,973
Speaker 2: I mean, and no one will listen to that one.

754
00:38:53,053 --> 00:38:55,413
Speaker 3: No, We've tried, all right. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

755
00:38:55,413 --> 00:38:57,053
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Love to hear your

756
00:38:57,093 --> 00:38:59,053
Speaker 3: thoughts on this one. We're going to pick a backup

757
00:38:59,093 --> 00:39:01,973
Speaker 3: after news, Sport and weather, which is on its way.

758
00:39:02,213 --> 00:39:04,173
Speaker 3: Great to have your company as always, you're listening to

759
00:39:04,173 --> 00:39:08,333
Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler. Very very good afternoon to you.

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00:39:08,453 --> 00:39:17,732
Speaker 13: Gordend Oh the ouge of your name stay in chunk

761
00:39:17,773 --> 00:39:22,533
Speaker 13: on your by the angels up in the clouds. Yeah,

762
00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:23,533
Speaker 13: that's not when we do.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

764
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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons news Talks.

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Speaker 3: It be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into

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00:39:52,973 --> 00:39:54,533
Speaker 3: the program. Seven past two.

767
00:39:54,853 --> 00:39:59,093
Speaker 2: Who was that absolute nerd from some politics talking about

768
00:39:59,173 --> 00:40:01,773
Speaker 2: run it before on the news as we addressed a

769
00:40:01,773 --> 00:40:02,653
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago.

770
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Speaker 3: Keep up, run it looks awesome. Yeah, we sorted this

771
00:40:05,373 --> 00:40:06,013
Speaker 3: out a month ago.

772
00:40:06,133 --> 00:40:07,813
Speaker 2: That person needs to do some research on what they're

773
00:40:07,813 --> 00:40:11,453
Speaker 2: talking about. Watch the game of League lady, Yeah, run it.

774
00:40:11,733 --> 00:40:13,133
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I wasn't gonna go along, but I'm

775
00:40:13,173 --> 00:40:14,973
Speaker 2: gonna go along now just because what she said.

776
00:40:15,013 --> 00:40:17,053
Speaker 3: It's in Auckland this week. I reckon it's going to

777
00:40:17,053 --> 00:40:19,172
Speaker 3: be a sellout crowd at that. Yeah, you know, say

778
00:40:19,213 --> 00:40:20,733
Speaker 3: what you're well about. You know there's a lot of

779
00:40:20,733 --> 00:40:22,133
Speaker 3: people that will come up and say it's bad for

780
00:40:22,213 --> 00:40:23,652
Speaker 3: the head and bad for the health, and why are

781
00:40:23,653 --> 00:40:25,573
Speaker 3: we encouraging it. There'll be a lot of people that

782
00:40:25,653 --> 00:40:27,693
Speaker 3: will turn up to watch it because it's entertaining.

783
00:40:28,013 --> 00:40:30,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, there were so many things. Anyway,

784
00:40:30,213 --> 00:40:33,053
Speaker 2: let's let anyway. We've spent about three hours talking about

785
00:40:33,053 --> 00:40:34,653
Speaker 2: that a few weeks ago. Let's move on. It's just

786
00:40:34,773 --> 00:40:36,733
Speaker 2: amazing how far behind the program that woman on the

787
00:40:36,773 --> 00:40:40,613
Speaker 2: news was now all right, okay, we're talking about gay, yes,

788
00:40:40,893 --> 00:40:41,652
Speaker 2: oil and guess.

789
00:40:41,733 --> 00:40:43,933
Speaker 3: And it's been a fascinating discussion so far. That's why

790
00:40:43,973 --> 00:40:47,252
Speaker 3: we've kept it going. And there's been some great texts

791
00:40:47,293 --> 00:40:50,053
Speaker 3: that have come through on nine two nine two to.

792
00:40:50,173 --> 00:40:53,373
Speaker 2: All the boomers saying drill, baby drill or nuclear powersh

793
00:40:53,653 --> 00:40:55,893
Speaker 2: they should think about the future. They wouldn't have to

794
00:40:55,973 --> 00:40:58,653
Speaker 2: face repercussions when things go wrong. New Zealand wouldn't be

795
00:40:58,693 --> 00:41:01,373
Speaker 2: able to handle a Gulf of America oil spill or

796
00:41:01,373 --> 00:41:05,293
Speaker 2: a Chernobyl when things go wrong, the consequences. The poor

797
00:41:05,373 --> 00:41:08,172
Speaker 2: and vulnerabile always feel the grunt of it. Adam, Wow,

798
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,853
Speaker 2: tell you what, Adam, It's pretty agis, isn't it. You're

799
00:41:11,893 --> 00:41:12,933
Speaker 2: bigot boomers.

800
00:41:14,173 --> 00:41:15,133
Speaker 3: You're closer than I am.

801
00:41:15,213 --> 00:41:17,653
Speaker 2: It was it was Tyler that was saying, drill, baby,

802
00:41:17,733 --> 00:41:21,093
Speaker 2: drill you and everybody does. You're thirty eight, aren't you?

803
00:41:21,293 --> 00:41:21,493
Speaker 4: Yeah?

804
00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:22,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty nine yeah.

805
00:41:23,453 --> 00:41:26,292
Speaker 2: So to all the millennials saying drill baby, drill?

806
00:41:26,573 --> 00:41:27,293
Speaker 4: Or paid?

807
00:41:27,373 --> 00:41:30,252
Speaker 3: What about the genixes that year, wasn't it? Matt yep

808
00:41:30,813 --> 00:41:34,812
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty is in number to call? Doug?

809
00:41:35,293 --> 00:41:36,253
Speaker 3: How are you this afternoon?

810
00:41:37,373 --> 00:41:40,733
Speaker 4: Are you Matty today? Hey? Thank you?

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00:41:40,853 --> 00:41:44,653
Speaker 2: Doug. Well, you're an independent consultant for a bio energy association.

812
00:41:44,853 --> 00:41:45,333
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

813
00:41:46,213 --> 00:41:49,853
Speaker 4: I am indeed so disclosure. I'm a board member of

814
00:41:49,933 --> 00:41:54,053
Speaker 4: the bio Energy Association in New Zealand. You've hit the

815
00:41:54,173 --> 00:41:57,772
Speaker 4: nail on the head. Basically, we had no plan when

816
00:41:57,813 --> 00:42:00,813
Speaker 4: we turned off oil and gas. Gas is a transition

817
00:42:01,053 --> 00:42:07,573
Speaker 4: from from coal, as John Carnegie demonstrated. We also now

818
00:42:07,813 --> 00:42:11,893
Speaker 4: know from discussions that gas is twenty five percent of

819
00:42:12,013 --> 00:42:16,293
Speaker 4: New Zealand's energy requirement. What I'm here to talk to

820
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:18,973
Speaker 4: you about is that bio energy in the form of

821
00:42:19,133 --> 00:42:23,453
Speaker 4: solid bow fuel like wood, wood, palettes and terrified wood,

822
00:42:23,973 --> 00:42:29,613
Speaker 4: along with biogas where you're digesting food waste into gas

823
00:42:29,813 --> 00:42:33,573
Speaker 4: at Reperrah and soon to be christ Church can go

824
00:42:33,853 --> 00:42:37,613
Speaker 4: from around nine percent of New Zealand's energy requirements up

825
00:42:37,653 --> 00:42:41,373
Speaker 4: to around twenty five percent of New Zealand's energy. So

826
00:42:41,533 --> 00:42:45,093
Speaker 4: there is hope, but we cannot turn the gas off.

827
00:42:45,253 --> 00:42:49,413
Speaker 4: We need the gas. As you've heard, and by what's

828
00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:53,652
Speaker 4: happened in the past is this is impeding sovereign risk,

829
00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:58,333
Speaker 4: it's promoting sovereign risk, and we're now turning our companies off.

830
00:42:58,533 --> 00:43:02,693
Speaker 4: Think method X, think WPI. Sawmills are just in the

831
00:43:02,813 --> 00:43:06,652
Speaker 4: case of the saw milling industry at going from one

832
00:43:06,733 --> 00:43:09,573
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty dollars a megawa out to eight hundred

833
00:43:09,613 --> 00:43:12,333
Speaker 4: dollars a megawatt. Our peaked last year and we'll be

834
00:43:12,413 --> 00:43:17,093
Speaker 4: worse than that this year. A sawmill's electricity bill goes

835
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Speaker 4: from five hundred thousand a year to two million. We're

836
00:43:20,373 --> 00:43:23,732
Speaker 4: not even making proper that that now not sustainable.

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Speaker 2: Now, Doug, you say that what percentage is bio energy

838
00:43:28,453 --> 00:43:30,933
Speaker 2: at the moment of our needs.

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Speaker 4: Look, let's call it seven to nine percent, okay, but

840
00:43:35,693 --> 00:43:39,493
Speaker 4: we could be twenty five percent. So you've heard Genesis

841
00:43:39,653 --> 00:43:43,613
Speaker 4: Energy talking to Mike on the breakfast saying forests are

842
00:43:43,733 --> 00:43:48,493
Speaker 4: an energy source specifically there for hydro firming. Right, So

843
00:43:49,053 --> 00:43:52,533
Speaker 4: when when I talk about hydro firming, we're saying we're

844
00:43:52,613 --> 00:43:57,053
Speaker 4: in a time where there isn't cheap electricity. We need

845
00:43:57,173 --> 00:44:00,893
Speaker 4: to use our scarce hydro electricity for keeping the lights

846
00:44:00,973 --> 00:44:04,093
Speaker 4: on and the hospital's going, not for dry and milk.

847
00:44:04,253 --> 00:44:08,893
Speaker 4: We need to use alternatives which are more expensive, such

848
00:44:09,013 --> 00:44:14,853
Speaker 4: things like wood, are solid by fuel, biogases, gear, thermal

849
00:44:15,053 --> 00:44:18,133
Speaker 4: holds a lot of prospect, but we need everything. We

850
00:44:18,333 --> 00:44:22,453
Speaker 4: can't just be myopic in saying where we need to

851
00:44:22,533 --> 00:44:26,173
Speaker 4: all have electric cars. We'd be better to have solar

852
00:44:26,293 --> 00:44:30,813
Speaker 4: panels on the roofs of our houses and saving as

853
00:44:30,973 --> 00:44:34,813
Speaker 4: much power locally rather than trying to spend two billion

854
00:44:34,933 --> 00:44:37,053
Speaker 4: and it'll be six billion by the time we build

855
00:44:37,093 --> 00:44:39,853
Speaker 4: a new transmission line between the South Island and the

856
00:44:39,973 --> 00:44:44,133
Speaker 4: North Island and trying to use that power locally to

857
00:44:44,373 --> 00:44:48,573
Speaker 4: make sure we're maximizing the scarce resource. Because it is scarce.

858
00:44:48,893 --> 00:44:52,533
Speaker 4: That's why the price went from one eight hundred dollars

859
00:44:52,573 --> 00:44:55,813
Speaker 4: a megaat our. And it's fine for people to say, oh,

860
00:44:55,893 --> 00:44:59,333
Speaker 4: we want electric cars, we can't afford it. We're on

861
00:44:59,693 --> 00:45:04,133
Speaker 4: a beer budget. But we've got champagne tastboys.

862
00:45:03,813 --> 00:45:05,973
Speaker 2: Now, Doug, how long you say so nine and it

863
00:45:06,013 --> 00:45:09,293
Speaker 2: could go up to twenty percent? How expensive and how

864
00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:12,173
Speaker 2: long would it take to scale up bio energies to

865
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Speaker 2: those kind of levels.

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Speaker 4: Look, it's already happening. You've got many milk powder factories

867
00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:24,292
Speaker 4: and drying facilities that are already utilizing wood for thermal heat.

868
00:45:24,333 --> 00:45:27,773
Speaker 4: In New Zealand. Fonterra Whiter is a good example of this.

869
00:45:28,413 --> 00:45:32,333
Speaker 4: Fonterira Terra Motive. So that's where they've gone from something

870
00:45:32,533 --> 00:45:36,212
Speaker 4: like coal, or they've made a decision to say, look,

871
00:45:36,293 --> 00:45:38,692
Speaker 4: within the capex, we're not going to put in an

872
00:45:38,773 --> 00:45:41,813
Speaker 4: electrode boiler. We're going to put in a wood fuel

873
00:45:42,173 --> 00:45:46,773
Speaker 4: for thermal heat. It's not life intensive. You know, the

874
00:45:46,933 --> 00:45:51,773
Speaker 4: hospitals are life intensive. Keeping the lights on is life intensive.

875
00:45:52,293 --> 00:45:55,333
Speaker 4: So we need to say how do we maximize the

876
00:45:55,533 --> 00:45:58,853
Speaker 4: use of scarce power and we need to use things

877
00:45:58,973 --> 00:46:02,813
Speaker 4: like wood as an energy source as Genesis said for

878
00:46:03,053 --> 00:46:08,053
Speaker 4: hydrate firmin for thermal heat. And you say, how quickly

879
00:46:08,573 --> 00:46:11,693
Speaker 4: it's happening now, we just need to do it quicker, guys.

880
00:46:11,933 --> 00:46:15,493
Speaker 4: We need your point, Tyler. We don't have enough money

881
00:46:15,493 --> 00:46:18,253
Speaker 4: We do have enough money, mate. We've got one hundred

882
00:46:18,293 --> 00:46:21,693
Speaker 4: and twenty billion in tea we savor, my friend, we

883
00:46:22,413 --> 00:46:25,773
Speaker 4: need about two hundred billion to fix infrastructure, which is

884
00:46:25,813 --> 00:46:28,573
Speaker 4: what we're talking about, and we've got the money.

885
00:46:28,773 --> 00:46:30,493
Speaker 3: Well, I get if I can get a good return.

886
00:46:30,613 --> 00:46:32,453
Speaker 3: Dog com certainly and with my key we saver.

887
00:46:33,253 --> 00:46:36,573
Speaker 2: But there's so Mark you said, you said seven to

888
00:46:36,693 --> 00:46:40,933
Speaker 2: nine percent of our energy is biofuel. So a few

889
00:46:40,933 --> 00:46:44,652
Speaker 2: people texting through saying that they don't believe that number.

890
00:46:45,253 --> 00:46:49,613
Speaker 4: No, no, because that is thermal heat. So if you're

891
00:46:49,853 --> 00:46:53,453
Speaker 4: if you're a sawmill or your fronterira, when you're using

892
00:46:53,613 --> 00:46:57,333
Speaker 4: thermal heat to dry milk or dry timber, you're burning

893
00:46:57,413 --> 00:47:00,653
Speaker 4: wood waste. In fact, if you're read stag, you're not

894
00:47:00,813 --> 00:47:03,813
Speaker 4: only drying your timber, but you're running a coging plant

895
00:47:03,893 --> 00:47:07,973
Speaker 4: to put electric electricity back in the grid. Right, So

896
00:47:08,133 --> 00:47:11,493
Speaker 4: this is thermal heat which makes up nine percent of

897
00:47:11,613 --> 00:47:16,413
Speaker 4: the total energy consumption in New Zealand in the form

898
00:47:16,493 --> 00:47:18,333
Speaker 4: of solid biofuels.

899
00:47:18,533 --> 00:47:21,853
Speaker 3: Okay, And so the biofuels you're talking about here are

900
00:47:21,893 --> 00:47:25,133
Speaker 3: effectively wood pellets, right, are the high energy wood pellets

901
00:47:25,253 --> 00:47:26,172
Speaker 3: their industry use.

902
00:47:27,213 --> 00:47:30,653
Speaker 4: It could be wood palets white, or it could be

903
00:47:30,893 --> 00:47:33,773
Speaker 4: the new thing, which is terrified wood pellets. What is

904
00:47:33,813 --> 00:47:37,093
Speaker 4: that you've read about, So that's essensially what the term

905
00:47:37,253 --> 00:47:41,093
Speaker 4: is biocoal, So that is wood that is densified to

906
00:47:41,373 --> 00:47:45,893
Speaker 4: four times the calorific value of green wood chip, so

907
00:47:46,093 --> 00:47:51,453
Speaker 4: it goes from six gigdules right up to twenty four

908
00:47:51,653 --> 00:47:56,253
Speaker 4: digitules per tent, which means it's the equivalent of thermal coal.

909
00:47:56,773 --> 00:47:59,693
Speaker 4: And the best thing about black wood pellets is a

910
00:48:00,173 --> 00:48:04,413
Speaker 4: repel water. So we've got a whole range of ideas

911
00:48:05,093 --> 00:48:09,093
Speaker 4: to be able to solve the issue from solid fuels,

912
00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:14,133
Speaker 4: more hydro generation, more get thermal n wind, but the

913
00:48:14,373 --> 00:48:17,333
Speaker 4: problem with wind that only blows sixty percent of the time,

914
00:48:17,853 --> 00:48:20,613
Speaker 4: and solar panels on the roof of our houses, so

915
00:48:20,773 --> 00:48:23,333
Speaker 4: we're minimizing transmission loss.

916
00:48:24,133 --> 00:48:26,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess the interesting as people are

917
00:48:26,933 --> 00:48:28,933
Speaker 2: talking about when when you do build solar panels, you

918
00:48:29,053 --> 00:48:30,493
Speaker 2: do have to pull a bunch of stuff out of

919
00:48:30,493 --> 00:48:32,253
Speaker 2: the ground to build those solar panels. But yeah, thank

920
00:48:32,253 --> 00:48:32,933
Speaker 2: you so much for you call.

921
00:48:33,013 --> 00:48:33,172
Speaker 4: Doug.

922
00:48:33,253 --> 00:48:36,573
Speaker 2: Appreciate that Wayne says, isn't wood just really young coal?

923
00:48:36,773 --> 00:48:38,373
Speaker 2: Well it is way and yeah, but the thing is

924
00:48:38,493 --> 00:48:40,253
Speaker 2: that the coals coming out of the ground. And the

925
00:48:40,333 --> 00:48:42,773
Speaker 2: thing about these fuels that are based on wood is

926
00:48:42,853 --> 00:48:44,812
Speaker 2: that's already above the ground. So if you care about

927
00:48:44,893 --> 00:48:49,212
Speaker 2: carbon emissions, it's neutrals when it's something that's been grown

928
00:48:49,253 --> 00:48:51,893
Speaker 2: above the ground, if you get my understanding, as opposed

929
00:48:51,933 --> 00:48:54,333
Speaker 2: to pulling up carbon that has been stored under the

930
00:48:54,373 --> 00:48:57,853
Speaker 2: ground from previous times, which is what Doug's talking about.

931
00:48:58,653 --> 00:49:00,373
Speaker 3: Doug and I'm just having to look at at a

932
00:49:00,453 --> 00:49:04,172
Speaker 3: story here from March that a large scale biofuel plant

933
00:49:04,213 --> 00:49:06,293
Speaker 3: will be built in central nor North Island is a

934
00:49:06,373 --> 00:49:09,573
Speaker 3: source of wood pellets. Good news for people like Doug.

935
00:49:09,893 --> 00:49:12,053
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numbered.

936
00:49:12,173 --> 00:49:13,413
Speaker 3: Calls some good texts coming through.

937
00:49:13,733 --> 00:49:16,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have all the skills. There is ongoing oil

938
00:49:16,133 --> 00:49:19,053
Speaker 2: and gas and germal juio thermal drilling happening right now,

939
00:49:19,293 --> 00:49:22,973
Speaker 2: supported by Kiwi businesses, the likes of USA based companies

940
00:49:23,253 --> 00:49:29,893
Speaker 2: Hilliburton and Slumsburger, Slumburger, Slumburger. That's a good name, Slumburger.

941
00:49:30,253 --> 00:49:32,212
Speaker 2: You changed your name from slumburger. If that's a name

942
00:49:32,213 --> 00:49:32,973
Speaker 2: of the company.

943
00:49:33,093 --> 00:49:35,613
Speaker 3: You know, even if your last name, don't use it

944
00:49:35,693 --> 00:49:42,093
Speaker 3: for your business name. Oh, it's even worse. Slumber Slumberg, Plumbrug.

945
00:49:41,693 --> 00:49:44,213
Speaker 2: Have bases here, and employee kiwis.

946
00:49:43,933 --> 00:49:46,212
Speaker 3: Yeah, there it's a fair point.

947
00:49:46,293 --> 00:49:49,533
Speaker 2: Sorry for you know, we need nuclear small reactor would

948
00:49:49,533 --> 00:49:52,013
Speaker 2: power all of Auckland, plenty of nearby sheep farms not

949
00:49:52,133 --> 00:49:54,773
Speaker 2: making any money from their land. These seventies and eighties

950
00:49:54,813 --> 00:49:57,093
Speaker 2: protests in New Zealand were not necessarily against nuclear power

951
00:49:57,133 --> 00:49:59,413
Speaker 2: per se. They were against the US declaring which ships

952
00:49:59,453 --> 00:50:02,213
Speaker 2: had nuclear weapons on them, which the US wouldn't do

953
00:50:02,373 --> 00:50:04,853
Speaker 2: because then the Soviets would know, so their warships couldn't

954
00:50:04,893 --> 00:50:06,973
Speaker 2: come here. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we've talked a lot

955
00:50:07,013 --> 00:50:08,853
Speaker 2: about nuclear power on the show.

956
00:50:08,933 --> 00:50:11,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have keep those ticks and calls coming in. Oh,

957
00:50:11,973 --> 00:50:15,333
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is seventeen past two.

958
00:50:15,573 --> 00:50:16,293
Speaker 3: Back in the month.

959
00:50:18,493 --> 00:50:23,293
Speaker 1: Your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

960
00:50:22,853 --> 00:50:25,893
Speaker 5: Call, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talk said, be.

961
00:50:27,853 --> 00:50:29,293
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Tyler.

962
00:50:29,413 --> 00:50:31,973
Speaker 2: You need to apologize for the good people at Slumberge.

963
00:50:32,253 --> 00:50:35,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently that's how you pronounce it, not not Schlumberger.

964
00:50:35,573 --> 00:50:37,973
Speaker 2: And yeah you were called you started calling them slumburger,

965
00:50:38,573 --> 00:50:41,653
Speaker 2: this company that's hiring people in New Zealand, in the

966
00:50:42,733 --> 00:50:44,053
Speaker 2: in the oil and gas industry.

967
00:50:44,213 --> 00:50:46,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sorry too. How do you say schlumbouge.

968
00:50:47,013 --> 00:50:50,732
Speaker 2: And actually, while I'm telling you're forgetting something wrong, let's

969
00:50:50,733 --> 00:50:54,733
Speaker 2: find out exactly what slumburge they do. Yeah, they're not Slumburger,

970
00:50:54,773 --> 00:50:57,253
Speaker 2: so I said. I said, if they're called slumburger, then

971
00:50:57,293 --> 00:50:59,213
Speaker 2: they would change their name pretty quickly. You'll be right

972
00:50:59,253 --> 00:51:00,973
Speaker 2: down the office, slate finish melle. You'd be down the

973
00:51:01,013 --> 00:51:04,013
Speaker 2: office the next day getting that change.

974
00:51:04,173 --> 00:51:05,933
Speaker 3: This is we've got to do something here about this name.

975
00:51:05,973 --> 00:51:08,053
Speaker 3: But it's not what we thought in So sorry to

976
00:51:08,373 --> 00:51:11,853
Speaker 3: Lumberget and the people of Germany as well. It's a

977
00:51:11,893 --> 00:51:14,653
Speaker 3: fine language and you don't need to change anything. So

978
00:51:14,693 --> 00:51:17,573
Speaker 3: it turns out Slumbershet is a global technology company. It's

979
00:51:17,613 --> 00:51:20,493
Speaker 3: known for its innovative solutions in the energy sector, particularly

980
00:51:20,813 --> 00:51:23,933
Speaker 3: in oil and gas, and its efforts to decarbonize industries

981
00:51:23,973 --> 00:51:26,573
Speaker 3: and develop new energy systems. They are a major player

982
00:51:26,613 --> 00:51:28,573
Speaker 3: in the field of oil field services.

983
00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:32,373
Speaker 2: Slumburger for the wind this, Texas says, how is cutting

984
00:51:32,413 --> 00:51:35,733
Speaker 2: down forests that observe carbon and burning wood better than

985
00:51:35,853 --> 00:51:39,493
Speaker 2: burning coal net increase on CO two emissions? No, See,

986
00:51:39,493 --> 00:51:42,533
Speaker 2: that's what you misunderstanding is that this is already part

987
00:51:42,573 --> 00:51:44,253
Speaker 2: of the system. It's neutral because it's grown in the

988
00:51:44,293 --> 00:51:48,053
Speaker 2: current environment. So if you pull coal from the ground,

989
00:51:48,253 --> 00:51:50,093
Speaker 2: or what you're doing now is they're pulling coal from

990
00:51:50,093 --> 00:51:52,053
Speaker 2: the ground in Indonesia and then we're shipping it here

991
00:51:52,173 --> 00:51:55,133
Speaker 2: and burning it. But that's from the past. And what

992
00:51:55,213 --> 00:51:57,933
Speaker 2: if you think about carbon, whether whether you're worried about

993
00:51:57,933 --> 00:52:00,333
Speaker 2: it or not, and the majority of people texting through aren't,

994
00:52:00,333 --> 00:52:03,173
Speaker 2: But if you are worried about the amount of carbon,

995
00:52:03,853 --> 00:52:08,013
Speaker 2: then burning forests wood, that's all part of the system

996
00:52:08,013 --> 00:52:10,732
Speaker 2: that's existed. You're not pulling the system from the past

997
00:52:10,773 --> 00:52:13,213
Speaker 2: and the coming from the past and letting it go.

998
00:52:13,653 --> 00:52:16,693
Speaker 2: And also, I mean you will grow the forests and

999
00:52:16,973 --> 00:52:18,573
Speaker 2: you know you'll grow the forest to cut them down

1000
00:52:18,653 --> 00:52:19,293
Speaker 2: to burn them.

1001
00:52:19,333 --> 00:52:20,413
Speaker 3: That's the renewable side.

1002
00:52:20,453 --> 00:52:20,652
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1003
00:52:20,693 --> 00:52:23,733
Speaker 3: Absolutely, get a lads. Many years ago I worked at

1004
00:52:23,773 --> 00:52:26,773
Speaker 3: a commercial bread factory, producing thousands of loaves of bread

1005
00:52:26,853 --> 00:52:29,172
Speaker 3: each day. The oven was powered by gas. Gas goes

1006
00:52:29,253 --> 00:52:32,453
Speaker 3: up and price bread goes up. Remove gas and the

1007
00:52:32,613 --> 00:52:37,333
Speaker 3: oven needs to change and the price of that product

1008
00:52:37,413 --> 00:52:40,053
Speaker 3: goes up. That hurts everybody. Drill, baby, drill.

1009
00:52:40,173 --> 00:52:42,813
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. Bio fuel was not viable, and

1010
00:52:42,893 --> 00:52:44,693
Speaker 2: the long term says this text. It takes years to

1011
00:52:44,733 --> 00:52:46,613
Speaker 2: grow trees and less than a day to burn. Plus

1012
00:52:46,733 --> 00:52:49,653
Speaker 2: removing trees will not help global COTO levels. This is

1013
00:52:49,693 --> 00:52:53,293
Speaker 2: how this is not something you know the first half

1014
00:52:53,333 --> 00:52:55,172
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, I'm sure trees do take a long

1015
00:52:55,213 --> 00:52:55,533
Speaker 2: time to go.

1016
00:52:55,693 --> 00:52:56,053
Speaker 10: We know that.

1017
00:52:56,533 --> 00:52:59,053
Speaker 2: But you know, across the entire forest. You think about this,

1018
00:52:59,173 --> 00:53:00,773
Speaker 2: and you grow enough trees and then there are always

1019
00:53:00,893 --> 00:53:04,413
Speaker 2: every day across the full magnitude of the forest, they're

1020
00:53:04,413 --> 00:53:07,093
Speaker 2: growing a certain amount that you can use. But yeah,

1021
00:53:07,213 --> 00:53:10,013
Speaker 2: as I said before, the sea two levels, it's neutral.

1022
00:53:10,573 --> 00:53:14,413
Speaker 2: Burning a tree is neutral. Do these numb heads who

1023
00:53:14,533 --> 00:53:16,933
Speaker 2: want nuclear power here realize how much it would cost

1024
00:53:16,973 --> 00:53:20,172
Speaker 2: to build and more important how long it would take.

1025
00:53:20,493 --> 00:53:22,013
Speaker 2: We would be back in the ice age before it

1026
00:53:22,093 --> 00:53:24,772
Speaker 2: was built. As for clean energy, ask Europe how clean

1027
00:53:24,853 --> 00:53:28,692
Speaker 2: it is when things go bad? Shere's boys Andrew. Yeah,

1028
00:53:28,733 --> 00:53:31,093
Speaker 2: but they are there is huge growth. We were talking

1029
00:53:31,093 --> 00:53:34,253
Speaker 2: about this the other day. And these modular reactors, these

1030
00:53:34,333 --> 00:53:37,413
Speaker 2: modulare nuclear power stations about the size of a shipping

1031
00:53:37,453 --> 00:53:41,413
Speaker 2: container that are predicted to be coming online very very soon,

1032
00:53:41,493 --> 00:53:44,573
Speaker 2: which sort of changed the whole market on it, so

1033
00:53:44,893 --> 00:53:48,253
Speaker 2: you know, rather than having to build a bespoke springfield

1034
00:53:48,333 --> 00:53:51,493
Speaker 2: type nuclear power station, you ably have these modular ones

1035
00:53:51,533 --> 00:53:54,093
Speaker 2: that can be put together and mass produced and at

1036
00:53:54,093 --> 00:53:55,613
Speaker 2: the price of them will come.

1037
00:53:55,573 --> 00:53:58,893
Speaker 3: Down exactly right. Thank you very much to everyone who

1038
00:53:59,373 --> 00:54:02,853
Speaker 3: called and phoned on that one. Interesting this Skulship.

1039
00:54:02,413 --> 00:54:04,573
Speaker 2: Sex says, your argument is total crap and you're an

1040
00:54:04,653 --> 00:54:08,692
Speaker 2: absolute muppet. The trucking, et cetera. This is the same

1041
00:54:08,733 --> 00:54:11,493
Speaker 2: for wood as coal, John Clark, argument around it is

1042
00:54:11,493 --> 00:54:14,613
Speaker 2: already in the environment. Total crap. You're an idiot Fonterra

1043
00:54:14,653 --> 00:54:17,733
Speaker 2: are going echo boiler and importing the biofeud. What a

1044
00:54:17,813 --> 00:54:18,573
Speaker 2: load of rubbish.

1045
00:54:18,853 --> 00:54:21,813
Speaker 3: Well, okay, far out, but that's angry.

1046
00:54:22,013 --> 00:54:23,933
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything about that. I was saying that

1047
00:54:24,133 --> 00:54:28,453
Speaker 2: I was answering the question of why burning wood is

1048
00:54:29,333 --> 00:54:31,053
Speaker 2: not the same as pulling coal out of the ground.

1049
00:54:31,253 --> 00:54:34,573
Speaker 2: And so even if you agree with what this text says,

1050
00:54:34,693 --> 00:54:38,573
Speaker 2: it's very abusive text says, then the same is true

1051
00:54:38,573 --> 00:54:40,213
Speaker 2: of the coal. Getting the coal out of the ground

1052
00:54:40,733 --> 00:54:45,813
Speaker 2: and the trucking and etc. Is still there, absolutely still there.

1053
00:54:46,093 --> 00:54:48,213
Speaker 2: But the next stage of it is releasing carbon from

1054
00:54:48,253 --> 00:54:51,973
Speaker 2: the past as opposed to something that's grown now which

1055
00:54:52,053 --> 00:54:54,692
Speaker 2: is releasing carbon from the current time.

1056
00:54:55,053 --> 00:54:56,573
Speaker 3: Exactly there you go text.

1057
00:54:56,853 --> 00:54:58,413
Speaker 2: But I do agree that I am a muppet.

1058
00:54:58,533 --> 00:55:01,253
Speaker 3: So you got that one right, yeah right. Coming up

1059
00:55:01,333 --> 00:55:04,333
Speaker 3: very shortly, we've got another topic on the table. We

1060
00:55:04,413 --> 00:55:07,613
Speaker 3: want to talk about graffiti. It is twenty four pasts

1061
00:55:07,653 --> 00:55:08,893
Speaker 3: two beg very s Sorly.

1062
00:55:12,933 --> 00:55:16,053
Speaker 1: On matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

1063
00:55:16,173 --> 00:55:19,013
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty on youth talk zby It.

1064
00:55:19,213 --> 00:55:21,853
Speaker 3: Is twenty seven pass too, right, Let's have a chat

1065
00:55:22,253 --> 00:55:26,013
Speaker 3: about graffiti. Do you know the fellow who goes by

1066
00:55:26,053 --> 00:55:28,212
Speaker 3: the name pork Many who spend time in Auckland will

1067
00:55:28,253 --> 00:55:30,893
Speaker 3: be aware of this vandal by his name. He goes

1068
00:55:30,933 --> 00:55:34,373
Speaker 3: by pork or porker or poor key. He doesn't spell

1069
00:55:34,413 --> 00:55:37,533
Speaker 3: those things right of course. That appears in graffiti on buildings,

1070
00:55:37,573 --> 00:55:39,693
Speaker 3: bridges and trains and walls all over the city. So

1071
00:55:39,773 --> 00:55:42,293
Speaker 3: over the past fourteen months, a total of two hundred

1072
00:55:42,293 --> 00:55:45,133
Speaker 3: and ninety eight graffiti incidents they call it, have been

1073
00:55:45,213 --> 00:55:49,853
Speaker 3: identified relating to this particular vandal. Auckland Council said. So

1074
00:55:49,973 --> 00:55:54,093
Speaker 3: the individual whose identity is obscured records keeps a record

1075
00:55:54,173 --> 00:55:57,773
Speaker 3: of his activity on social media. He tags it in

1076
00:55:58,133 --> 00:56:02,133
Speaker 3: video on Instagram, sometimes shot by a drone flying nearby

1077
00:56:02,333 --> 00:56:05,893
Speaker 3: above rushing traffic, as he adorns motorway signs with his

1078
00:56:06,893 --> 00:56:07,973
Speaker 3: name Pork or pork key.

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00:56:08,373 --> 00:56:10,013
Speaker 2: How many? How many did you say? How many is

1080
00:56:10,173 --> 00:56:12,453
Speaker 2: pork blasted up? How many is how many pork?

1081
00:56:12,493 --> 00:56:13,933
Speaker 3: You're just shy on three Hunding.

1082
00:56:14,213 --> 00:56:17,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's all over the shop, hasn't it. Pork's

1083
00:56:17,373 --> 00:56:19,252
Speaker 2: been down the South Island. You know, we've got texts

1084
00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:20,933
Speaker 2: four from Wellington. He's been all over the shop. So

1085
00:56:21,053 --> 00:56:24,013
Speaker 2: just show three Hunding and he's posting all the stuff

1086
00:56:24,013 --> 00:56:27,813
Speaker 2: on Instagrammy, he's hitting the drones up. Why can't some

1087
00:56:28,133 --> 00:56:30,373
Speaker 2: young buck detective new to the force just take it

1088
00:56:30,453 --> 00:56:32,773
Speaker 2: on themselves to find Pork? If I was in the

1089
00:56:33,053 --> 00:56:36,613
Speaker 2: in the business of law enforcement, I would love that

1090
00:56:36,813 --> 00:56:38,493
Speaker 2: that would be like an episode of it, you know,

1091
00:56:38,733 --> 00:56:41,773
Speaker 2: just following the clues and finding who Pork is and

1092
00:56:41,853 --> 00:56:42,853
Speaker 2: then busting.

1093
00:56:43,213 --> 00:56:45,613
Speaker 3: Give me the case, chief, I'm on this one. Give

1094
00:56:45,653 --> 00:56:46,093
Speaker 3: me the case.

1095
00:56:46,173 --> 00:56:49,652
Speaker 2: Why deputize man, I'll find Pork for you. I'd love

1096
00:56:49,653 --> 00:56:52,172
Speaker 2: to get involved. Maybe maybe, actually that's not a bad

1097
00:56:52,213 --> 00:56:54,693
Speaker 2: idea for an investigative podcast. If someone's listening.

1098
00:56:54,773 --> 00:56:58,692
Speaker 3: Find Pork, Find Pork, Finding Pork, Why did you say

1099
00:56:58,853 --> 00:56:59,493
Speaker 3: we could have kept that?

1100
00:56:59,693 --> 00:57:02,652
Speaker 2: You know, Finding pork. That's a great podcast, Finding pork

1101
00:57:02,733 --> 00:57:06,453
Speaker 2: and then interviewing them anyway, and then Taseringhm, is there

1102
00:57:06,573 --> 00:57:10,933
Speaker 2: any worth in pork being written porky? That's the question.

1103
00:57:11,013 --> 00:57:12,933
Speaker 2: A lot of people talk about graffiti, and they say, well,

1104
00:57:12,973 --> 00:57:14,573
Speaker 2: why you're so annoyed about it? Why are people so

1105
00:57:14,613 --> 00:57:18,533
Speaker 2: annoyed about it? It's it's just urban art, they say, So,

1106
00:57:18,773 --> 00:57:20,613
Speaker 2: is there some work? I mean, it's He's not exactly

1107
00:57:20,613 --> 00:57:23,413
Speaker 2: pork isn't exactly banksy is he? He's not making any

1108
00:57:23,493 --> 00:57:25,693
Speaker 2: kind of statement with it. It's not art that you

1109
00:57:25,733 --> 00:57:28,533
Speaker 2: would cut off and be able to sell, you know,

1110
00:57:28,653 --> 00:57:31,613
Speaker 2: late anytimes banks He covers a piece of plywood, someone

1111
00:57:31,653 --> 00:57:34,413
Speaker 2: cuts it off, and then banks He certifies it and

1112
00:57:34,693 --> 00:57:36,893
Speaker 2: gets held for millions of dollars. So pork is an

1113
00:57:36,973 --> 00:57:39,933
Speaker 2: artistic in that regard. But there is there any intrinsic

1114
00:57:40,053 --> 00:57:43,013
Speaker 2: value in writing pork? Nearly three hundred times up and

1115
00:57:43,053 --> 00:57:43,693
Speaker 2: down the country.

1116
00:57:43,773 --> 00:57:47,453
Speaker 3: I think the difference between pork or Porky and banks

1117
00:57:47,493 --> 00:57:49,813
Speaker 3: he is is bank Banksy at least is a bit

1118
00:57:49,893 --> 00:57:52,933
Speaker 3: thoughtful with what he is graffiting, Is that the right word.

1119
00:57:53,373 --> 00:57:55,733
Speaker 3: What he is spray painting onto a wall is very

1120
00:57:55,813 --> 00:57:59,453
Speaker 3: thoughtful and very deep, and that is what makes it art.

1121
00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:03,053
Speaker 3: Whereas this muppet is just writing the same thing over

1122
00:58:03,293 --> 00:58:05,453
Speaker 3: and over and over again. It doesn't really matter how

1123
00:58:05,533 --> 00:58:06,373
Speaker 3: how colorful it is.

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00:58:07,533 --> 00:58:11,133
Speaker 2: Now, look, I've got a confession to make that I

1125
00:58:11,173 --> 00:58:13,573
Speaker 2: will I'll make a bit later on, But are you

1126
00:58:13,693 --> 00:58:15,933
Speaker 2: a current or recovering graffitis? Because it'd be interesting to

1127
00:58:15,973 --> 00:58:18,173
Speaker 2: get inside the head of what you get out of

1128
00:58:18,293 --> 00:58:21,373
Speaker 2: doing that. What do people get out of graffiti for themselves?

1129
00:58:21,413 --> 00:58:24,813
Speaker 2: What is the psychology behind it? And because for me

1130
00:58:24,933 --> 00:58:27,733
Speaker 2: it seems like some kind of mental illness. If you

1131
00:58:27,773 --> 00:58:29,333
Speaker 2: feel the need to go out at night and spend

1132
00:58:29,493 --> 00:58:32,173
Speaker 2: so much time just writing the same name over and

1133
00:58:32,293 --> 00:58:34,213
Speaker 2: over again, do you get some kind of buzz when

1134
00:58:34,253 --> 00:58:36,133
Speaker 2: you see it out there? Do you feel like you're

1135
00:58:36,253 --> 00:58:40,693
Speaker 2: affecting the world, that you're being heard because you're not

1136
00:58:40,773 --> 00:58:42,773
Speaker 2: getting heard. Pork's getting heard, and people don't know who

1137
00:58:42,813 --> 00:58:44,333
Speaker 2: Pork is. Because as soon as we know who Pork is,

1138
00:58:44,373 --> 00:58:47,093
Speaker 2: we're going to charge them with three hundred pieces of vandalism.

1139
00:58:47,333 --> 00:58:51,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, do something productive with your life, Pork. It's a

1140
00:58:51,853 --> 00:58:52,853
Speaker 3: lot of man now, is, isn't it.

1141
00:58:52,973 --> 00:58:53,133
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1142
00:58:53,173 --> 00:58:55,693
Speaker 3: So two hundred and ninety eight graffiti incidents that are

1143
00:58:55,733 --> 00:58:58,973
Speaker 3: known about, and let's extrapolate that out. Say it takes

1144
00:58:59,453 --> 00:59:01,733
Speaker 3: to set it all up, get the drone up in

1145
00:59:01,773 --> 00:59:03,573
Speaker 3: the sky, take the photo of it, post it up

1146
00:59:03,613 --> 00:59:06,773
Speaker 3: on Instagram, each of those incidents maybe six hours of

1147
00:59:06,893 --> 00:59:10,173
Speaker 3: this time maybe, So then how many man hours is that?

1148
00:59:10,293 --> 00:59:12,573
Speaker 2: I mean, geez, you could feel like any degree you'll

1149
00:59:12,573 --> 00:59:14,173
Speaker 2: if you look at his Instagram some of the time

1150
00:59:14,213 --> 00:59:16,333
Speaker 2: he's stealing the paint, so he's not spending money of that.

1151
00:59:16,413 --> 00:59:19,933
Speaker 2: But if you've put that kind of creativity and focus

1152
00:59:20,133 --> 00:59:24,173
Speaker 2: and risk taking towards something productive, then you could probably

1153
00:59:24,213 --> 00:59:27,493
Speaker 2: doing quite well for yourself pork. Yeah, Instead, you're just

1154
00:59:27,973 --> 00:59:30,333
Speaker 2: slowly building up a case against you where you will

1155
00:59:30,333 --> 00:59:33,453
Speaker 2: eventually get caught in charge. Another question on O E.

1156
00:59:33,453 --> 00:59:35,453
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is what the punishment

1157
00:59:35,493 --> 00:59:36,373
Speaker 2: you think should be for this?

1158
00:59:37,333 --> 00:59:39,533
Speaker 3: And don't say tasering. I mean tasering can be part

1159
00:59:39,573 --> 00:59:41,893
Speaker 3: of it, but we want other punishments as well. Oh

1160
00:59:41,933 --> 00:59:45,453
Speaker 3: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you have been

1161
00:59:45,653 --> 00:59:48,333
Speaker 3: a graffiti artist in the past, love to hear from

1162
00:59:48,373 --> 00:59:49,693
Speaker 3: you what do you get out of it? Is it

1163
00:59:49,813 --> 00:59:52,093
Speaker 3: just street cred? And where is the line, because I

1164
00:59:52,093 --> 00:59:53,773
Speaker 3: think it's a fair point, Matt. Where is the line

1165
00:59:53,813 --> 00:59:57,413
Speaker 3: between straight up graffiti that just pisses us off versus

1166
00:59:57,733 --> 00:59:59,453
Speaker 3: something that you look at and think that's actually not

1167
00:59:59,533 --> 00:59:59,893
Speaker 3: too bad.

1168
01:00:00,253 --> 01:00:03,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, So to text to ending in five to three,

1169
01:00:04,013 --> 01:00:05,413
Speaker 2: how stupid do you think I am? I'm not going

1170
01:00:05,493 --> 01:00:06,053
Speaker 2: to fall for that one?

1171
01:00:06,173 --> 01:00:06,693
Speaker 3: Which one's that?

1172
01:00:06,893 --> 01:00:08,293
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it? But it was clever.

1173
01:00:08,533 --> 01:00:09,093
Speaker 4: I nearly did.

1174
01:00:09,253 --> 01:00:12,893
Speaker 3: Okay, well done. It is twenty nine to three. One

1175
01:00:12,973 --> 01:00:15,573
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number coal headlines

1176
01:00:15,573 --> 01:00:15,933
Speaker 3: coming up.

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01:00:18,773 --> 01:00:22,293
Speaker 10: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxes. It's

1178
01:00:22,413 --> 01:00:25,413
Speaker 10: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Rail and Maritime

1179
01:00:25,493 --> 01:00:29,693
Speaker 10: Transport Union says government promises to keep maintaining rail funded

1180
01:00:29,733 --> 01:00:33,053
Speaker 10: in this week's budget should extend far beyond the next

1181
01:00:33,173 --> 01:00:37,613
Speaker 10: two years. Labor MP Willie Jackson says proposed sanctions on

1182
01:00:37,853 --> 01:00:41,013
Speaker 10: nps who did a hucker in Parliament protesting the Treaty

1183
01:00:41,053 --> 01:00:44,413
Speaker 10: Principal's Bill are too extreme. He says the bill was

1184
01:00:44,533 --> 01:00:48,373
Speaker 10: intimidating and defensive, and its author, David Seymour is the

1185
01:00:48,453 --> 01:00:52,533
Speaker 10: one who should be punished. Inland Revenue says it doesn't

1186
01:00:52,613 --> 01:00:55,853
Speaker 10: have a complete picture of how many receive a promised

1187
01:00:55,973 --> 01:01:00,453
Speaker 10: early childcare tax rebate. In April, only two hundred and

1188
01:01:00,533 --> 01:01:03,893
Speaker 10: forty nine households were getting the family Boost tax credit.

1189
01:01:04,933 --> 01:01:08,133
Speaker 10: Health professionals say the run at Straight Championship League is

1190
01:01:08,173 --> 01:01:11,893
Speaker 10: a reckless and dangerous The combat sport has players running

1191
01:01:12,013 --> 01:01:15,333
Speaker 10: full force at each other. An eighteen year old man's

1192
01:01:15,373 --> 01:01:18,213
Speaker 10: due and court over Hawks Bay cyclist being pelted with

1193
01:01:18,333 --> 01:01:23,693
Speaker 10: glass bottles during a race last month. Dunedin's bog Irish

1194
01:01:23,813 --> 01:01:27,773
Speaker 10: Bar may have its liquor license suspended for padlocking, fire

1195
01:01:27,893 --> 01:01:32,733
Speaker 10: exits and not complying with a removal order. James Kirkpatrick

1196
01:01:32,773 --> 01:01:35,533
Speaker 10: Group puts forward case for one hundred million dollar timber

1197
01:01:35,613 --> 01:01:38,493
Speaker 10: building in central Auckland. You can see this and more

1198
01:01:38,533 --> 01:01:40,213
Speaker 10: from property inside It at ends.

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Speaker 3: At Herald Premium.

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01:01:41,413 --> 01:01:43,253
Speaker 10: Back now to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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01:01:43,373 --> 01:01:45,573
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Ray Lane. We're talking about graffiti

1202
01:01:46,373 --> 01:01:47,573
Speaker 3: versus tagging.

1203
01:01:48,173 --> 01:01:50,933
Speaker 2: Sardre says, I think that graffiti adds interest. Also, pork

1204
01:01:51,053 --> 01:01:53,573
Speaker 2: is becoming well known. I think it's creative and clever.

1205
01:01:54,013 --> 01:01:56,613
Speaker 2: There's worse things he could be doing. Well, there's definitely

1206
01:01:56,653 --> 01:01:57,213
Speaker 2: worst things he can be.

1207
01:01:57,373 --> 01:01:59,893
Speaker 3: Absolutely that is very fair on that point, But you

1208
01:01:59,973 --> 01:02:00,493
Speaker 3: know he.

1209
01:02:00,653 --> 01:02:04,373
Speaker 2: Doesn't does his freedom to be creative and make a

1210
01:02:04,453 --> 01:02:07,733
Speaker 2: name for himself overright the property rights of the rest

1211
01:02:07,773 --> 01:02:08,013
Speaker 2: of us.

1212
01:02:08,533 --> 01:02:10,933
Speaker 3: If it was your fence where the study old pork

1213
01:02:11,013 --> 01:02:13,093
Speaker 3: has been spray painted on, would you feel happy about that?

1214
01:02:13,253 --> 01:02:15,293
Speaker 2: Yeah? And as I said before, I've got a confession

1215
01:02:15,373 --> 01:02:17,413
Speaker 2: that I need to make from a misspent youth.

1216
01:02:18,493 --> 01:02:20,853
Speaker 3: And it's going to be good. Do we need to

1217
01:02:20,853 --> 01:02:21,653
Speaker 3: get the taser ready?

1218
01:02:22,013 --> 01:02:25,533
Speaker 2: I probably need to be tasted for that. Ben, you

1219
01:02:25,653 --> 01:02:27,693
Speaker 2: want to put forward a bit of a defense for

1220
01:02:27,733 --> 01:02:28,573
Speaker 2: graffiti and tagging.

1221
01:02:29,973 --> 01:02:32,293
Speaker 14: Well, first I want to ask you guys a question.

1222
01:02:32,653 --> 01:02:34,733
Speaker 14: I just want to say, have you ever written on

1223
01:02:35,093 --> 01:02:43,013
Speaker 14: anything Matt or Tyler? Was here written Matt rules or

1224
01:02:43,253 --> 01:02:44,733
Speaker 14: Tyler rules with.

1225
01:02:46,613 --> 01:02:48,013
Speaker 2: A with a Z yep.

1226
01:02:49,373 --> 01:02:49,413
Speaker 5: It?

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01:02:50,813 --> 01:02:51,373
Speaker 11: Do you know that?

1228
01:02:51,893 --> 01:02:54,373
Speaker 14: Look? You used to you used to do break our arms,

1229
01:02:54,413 --> 01:02:57,253
Speaker 14: break our leagues and we had a cast and or

1230
01:02:57,373 --> 01:03:01,213
Speaker 14: someone else did and we all wrote on it. It

1231
01:03:01,413 --> 01:03:03,493
Speaker 14: just goes back to those It just goes back to that.

1232
01:03:03,733 --> 01:03:07,853
Speaker 14: And enough from from past experience. But I mean there

1233
01:03:07,933 --> 01:03:09,813
Speaker 14: was people you know, back in those days, in the

1234
01:03:09,933 --> 01:03:14,293
Speaker 14: nineties there was people I ask you, there was people

1235
01:03:14,533 --> 01:03:22,333
Speaker 14: like scheme ta kid, there was oh he turned out

1236
01:03:22,373 --> 01:03:26,933
Speaker 14: to Yeah, these guys later on become decipher that kids

1237
01:03:26,933 --> 01:03:28,933
Speaker 14: in New York. I've been all over the show doing

1238
01:03:29,093 --> 01:03:31,533
Speaker 14: murals that we see around right now.

1239
01:03:33,053 --> 01:03:35,653
Speaker 3: So I'm just having one of those names scheme Is

1240
01:03:35,733 --> 01:03:37,573
Speaker 3: he an American artist?

1241
01:03:37,653 --> 01:03:37,853
Speaker 6: Is he?

1242
01:03:39,653 --> 01:03:42,293
Speaker 14: I don't There was there was debate over who was

1243
01:03:42,373 --> 01:03:44,853
Speaker 14: the first. Well, obviously it was American after that, after

1244
01:03:44,933 --> 01:03:48,493
Speaker 14: that movie Colors came out. But I think it also

1245
01:03:48,613 --> 01:03:50,453
Speaker 14: goes back to, you know, for me, it was a

1246
01:03:51,173 --> 01:03:52,933
Speaker 14: you know, I grew up a bit of a hard

1247
01:03:53,013 --> 01:03:56,253
Speaker 14: knocked life and in the streets of christ Church, and

1248
01:03:57,333 --> 01:03:59,933
Speaker 14: we had our crew, you know, we were you know,

1249
01:04:00,373 --> 01:04:03,493
Speaker 14: and and we had our territory, and so it came

1250
01:04:03,573 --> 01:04:06,533
Speaker 14: down to that and and it was it was, you know,

1251
01:04:06,733 --> 01:04:09,333
Speaker 14: used to get capped. There was when someone crossed your

1252
01:04:09,693 --> 01:04:12,613
Speaker 14: name out, but used to get bussed. That was when

1253
01:04:12,653 --> 01:04:18,613
Speaker 14: they come and cleaned it and hang on, sorry dogs

1254
01:04:20,093 --> 01:04:24,773
Speaker 14: that what's the dogs name? Dog's name is Dillyan Norma.

1255
01:04:24,853 --> 01:04:27,533
Speaker 14: They had their third birthday yesterday. They've both got treats

1256
01:04:29,093 --> 01:04:30,573
Speaker 14: and fighting over them.

1257
01:04:31,853 --> 01:04:32,453
Speaker 3: Some good boys.

1258
01:04:35,133 --> 01:04:35,933
Speaker 14: This is sorry.

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01:04:36,413 --> 01:04:44,213
Speaker 2: What was the name of the dog, Dillian Norma and

1260
01:04:44,333 --> 01:04:46,253
Speaker 2: so so there was a bunch of things that happened

1261
01:04:46,293 --> 01:04:49,413
Speaker 2: out there is part of it when you were out there,

1262
01:04:50,053 --> 01:04:53,133
Speaker 2: you know, tagging and such. Ben was part of it.

1263
01:04:53,573 --> 01:04:56,013
Speaker 2: That it is illegal and that you can get in

1264
01:04:56,293 --> 01:04:57,973
Speaker 2: trouble with it, and the and the danger of it

1265
01:04:58,093 --> 01:05:00,133
Speaker 2: and the adrenaline of doing it and not getting caught.

1266
01:05:01,373 --> 01:05:05,653
Speaker 14: There was no They've never dawned on me until they

1267
01:05:05,733 --> 01:05:11,293
Speaker 14: came a homeowner and got my a the g and yeah,

1268
01:05:11,373 --> 01:05:13,133
Speaker 14: got a job and one and then got away from

1269
01:05:13,173 --> 01:05:16,253
Speaker 14: that life. But it never dawned me until I got

1270
01:05:16,253 --> 01:05:20,173
Speaker 14: my own property and the karma. Karma hasn't come on

1271
01:05:20,253 --> 01:05:20,733
Speaker 14: way yet.

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01:05:21,173 --> 01:05:25,813
Speaker 2: But yeah, so when when you're been, when you're saying

1273
01:05:25,813 --> 01:05:27,853
Speaker 2: you're out about when you when you're out and about Ben,

1274
01:05:27,973 --> 01:05:28,453
Speaker 2: there wasn't.

1275
01:05:28,533 --> 01:05:30,613
Speaker 3: You didn't have any fear at all when you're when

1276
01:05:30,613 --> 01:05:31,293
Speaker 3: you were tagging.

1277
01:05:31,333 --> 01:05:32,493
Speaker 5: When your men, I.

1278
01:05:32,653 --> 01:05:35,933
Speaker 14: Used to have I used to get big I used

1279
01:05:35,933 --> 01:05:38,933
Speaker 14: to get the big old, the big ups because I

1280
01:05:39,053 --> 01:05:42,693
Speaker 14: come from a country background, and so we used to

1281
01:05:42,813 --> 01:05:43,973
Speaker 14: do the lambs.

1282
01:05:44,333 --> 01:05:44,493
Speaker 4: You know.

1283
01:05:44,533 --> 01:05:46,733
Speaker 14: He would give them a number and we'd match them

1284
01:05:46,773 --> 01:05:48,893
Speaker 14: up to mom. And so we had the different colored

1285
01:05:49,213 --> 01:05:52,253
Speaker 14: we had. I had my arsenal. Honestly, everyone was going

1286
01:05:52,253 --> 01:05:54,413
Speaker 14: to trying to flog the ones from the hardware store

1287
01:05:54,493 --> 01:05:56,493
Speaker 14: and whatever. They couldn't town. I just used to go

1288
01:05:56,613 --> 01:05:59,213
Speaker 14: home or to one of the uncles or aunt, and

1289
01:05:59,493 --> 01:06:05,533
Speaker 14: it was just like, oh, smooth, pink, green, purple, and

1290
01:06:06,813 --> 01:06:08,213
Speaker 14: take them in town, make money off them.

1291
01:06:08,413 --> 01:06:10,693
Speaker 4: So what was your a hero?

1292
01:06:10,933 --> 01:06:14,653
Speaker 14: What was your And I'm sorry to anybody who's property

1293
01:06:14,733 --> 01:06:17,093
Speaker 14: that I've damaged, but that was what it was about.

1294
01:06:17,133 --> 01:06:18,253
Speaker 14: It was a claim to fame.

1295
01:06:18,413 --> 01:06:20,013
Speaker 4: It was that I am here.

1296
01:06:21,853 --> 01:06:26,653
Speaker 14: Nothing, and look at me, I'm something, and the better

1297
01:06:26,733 --> 01:06:27,013
Speaker 14: I am.

1298
01:06:27,253 --> 01:06:30,133
Speaker 2: So it's just doing so being it's sort of declaring

1299
01:06:30,253 --> 01:06:33,733
Speaker 2: that you exist. You're in this situation where you feel

1300
01:06:33,773 --> 01:06:36,093
Speaker 2: like you don't have much agency in your life and

1301
01:06:36,213 --> 01:06:38,493
Speaker 2: you feel like you're not really being noticed, and so

1302
01:06:38,773 --> 01:06:41,373
Speaker 2: by doing your tag, it's like declaring to the world

1303
01:06:41,373 --> 01:06:41,973
Speaker 2: that you exist.

1304
01:06:43,013 --> 01:06:43,413
Speaker 6: This is it.

1305
01:06:44,773 --> 01:06:46,653
Speaker 14: I just nothing else?

1306
01:06:46,733 --> 01:06:46,853
Speaker 3: Mad?

1307
01:06:47,453 --> 01:06:50,613
Speaker 2: Yeah? And what what what was your What was your tag? Name?

1308
01:06:50,693 --> 01:06:50,853
Speaker 4: Ben?

1309
01:06:53,493 --> 01:06:55,493
Speaker 14: I've thought about this. I thought, should I give them

1310
01:06:55,493 --> 01:06:59,653
Speaker 14: a real name? That No, I won't do anybody to know.

1311
01:06:59,773 --> 01:07:01,373
Speaker 14: I don't want to. I don't want to. I know

1312
01:07:01,453 --> 01:07:05,173
Speaker 14: they've taken photographs of those and looking for them probably

1313
01:07:05,333 --> 01:07:06,093
Speaker 14: still looking for that.

1314
01:07:07,973 --> 01:07:11,333
Speaker 2: The thing is Jeremy. The thing is Jeremy. I use

1315
01:07:11,373 --> 01:07:13,693
Speaker 2: a different name, thinks Jeremy. No one will be able

1316
01:07:13,693 --> 01:07:16,293
Speaker 2: to put the two together because because you know, there's

1317
01:07:16,293 --> 01:07:17,933
Speaker 2: there's no there's no crossover there.

1318
01:07:19,213 --> 01:07:21,173
Speaker 14: Every time it just become about getting it better and

1319
01:07:21,253 --> 01:07:23,173
Speaker 14: better and better and perfecting it. But it was always

1320
01:07:23,173 --> 01:07:24,813
Speaker 14: the same thing, and you just come out of the ways.

1321
01:07:25,133 --> 01:07:29,853
Speaker 14: But the real thing became was about where where it

1322
01:07:30,013 --> 01:07:32,573
Speaker 14: was done. You know, I look up these days, you know,

1323
01:07:32,773 --> 01:07:35,733
Speaker 14: these guys up on up on high rises, and I

1324
01:07:35,773 --> 01:07:38,173
Speaker 14: think to myself, Man, there's no way I'll go up

1325
01:07:38,213 --> 01:07:40,293
Speaker 14: there and hang off the side of How did you

1326
01:07:40,413 --> 01:07:40,653
Speaker 14: do that?

1327
01:07:40,933 --> 01:07:41,053
Speaker 10: You know?

1328
01:07:41,373 --> 01:07:44,013
Speaker 14: It just there's that, there's that and that and that.

1329
01:07:45,373 --> 01:07:48,213
Speaker 3: Can we try? Can we try? And gis you tag.

1330
01:07:49,853 --> 01:07:50,613
Speaker 2: You went Casso?

1331
01:07:50,733 --> 01:07:50,973
Speaker 6: Were you.

1332
01:07:53,013 --> 01:07:56,013
Speaker 3: Bean beg bean beg Hey?

1333
01:07:56,093 --> 01:07:58,333
Speaker 2: So so you say that you've you know, you've obviously

1334
01:07:58,413 --> 01:07:59,893
Speaker 2: this was in your past and you wanted to be

1335
01:07:59,973 --> 01:08:01,933
Speaker 2: heard back then. But you know, as you were alluding

1336
01:08:01,973 --> 01:08:04,333
Speaker 2: to before, you've probably got a big beautiful fence on

1337
01:08:04,413 --> 01:08:06,893
Speaker 2: your house now, and if someone came in and wrote

1338
01:08:07,013 --> 01:08:09,893
Speaker 2: pork on it and big letters, you know, at your workplace,

1339
01:08:10,013 --> 01:08:10,853
Speaker 2: or your business health.

1340
01:08:12,693 --> 01:08:15,653
Speaker 14: I'm a joiner, so my fence is the best things

1341
01:08:16,173 --> 01:08:18,813
Speaker 14: glued and brew, not just nails and a bit of

1342
01:08:19,133 --> 01:08:22,133
Speaker 14: h but three, I've got native timber in there. You know,

1343
01:08:22,333 --> 01:08:28,492
Speaker 14: it's a it's a it's as a hardwood rights.

1344
01:08:28,492 --> 01:08:29,293
Speaker 2: How you feel about it?

1345
01:08:31,093 --> 01:08:35,893
Speaker 14: I would, I'd put a frame around it, around I

1346
01:08:36,053 --> 01:08:38,492
Speaker 14: put the the led lights around it. I would make it.

1347
01:08:38,732 --> 01:08:42,093
Speaker 14: I would make it known. Well, thanks you come on,

1348
01:08:42,372 --> 01:08:42,732
Speaker 14: come on.

1349
01:08:46,013 --> 01:08:47,612
Speaker 2: I don't know. If beks he does your feeling, then

1350
01:08:47,612 --> 01:08:51,452
Speaker 2: you're a rich man. Yeah he thanks so much for

1351
01:08:51,492 --> 01:08:53,372
Speaker 2: your court col Ben and and got on you for

1352
01:08:53,452 --> 01:08:55,293
Speaker 2: your courage of your convictions. And look there's a bit

1353
01:08:55,333 --> 01:08:56,732
Speaker 2: of heat coming on the text machine.

1354
01:08:56,853 --> 01:09:00,132
Speaker 14: But you know, I think that that that I understand.

1355
01:09:00,293 --> 01:09:02,932
Speaker 14: But look a lot of the boys have become famous

1356
01:09:02,973 --> 01:09:05,333
Speaker 14: and and all the artists you look around town. Come

1357
01:09:05,412 --> 01:09:08,253
Speaker 14: those coroaches, Jason kidwell up on the up on light

1358
01:09:08,652 --> 01:09:11,013
Speaker 14: up on the wall there and needs it done by

1359
01:09:11,253 --> 01:09:14,372
Speaker 14: my old friends who we started out describing our names

1360
01:09:14,412 --> 01:09:16,492
Speaker 14: and putting met was here and Tyler was here on

1361
01:09:16,692 --> 01:09:18,133
Speaker 14: underneath their school disc.

1362
01:09:18,412 --> 01:09:20,852
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, my tag is all over Nowson College. Don't

1363
01:09:20,853 --> 01:09:22,772
Speaker 3: get me wrong, just not on anybody else's fence.

1364
01:09:23,053 --> 01:09:23,452
Speaker 6: The dork?

1365
01:09:23,532 --> 01:09:24,012
Speaker 4: It was dork?

1366
01:09:24,173 --> 01:09:24,293
Speaker 6: Was it?

1367
01:09:25,372 --> 01:09:28,572
Speaker 3: Okay? Thanks Ben? Thanks for your Call's what a great

1368
01:09:28,612 --> 01:09:31,213
Speaker 3: call I had. Hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're a

1369
01:09:31,293 --> 01:09:34,093
Speaker 3: reformed tager like Ben, would love to hear from you.

1370
01:09:34,213 --> 01:09:37,253
Speaker 2: Look at Sandra. Ben is spot on. Honestly, if pork

1371
01:09:37,293 --> 01:09:39,372
Speaker 2: painted my fence, I'd be stoked.

1372
01:09:39,253 --> 01:09:41,452
Speaker 3: Right with there, ego Pork. If you're listening, Sandra's up

1373
01:09:41,452 --> 01:09:41,612
Speaker 3: for it.

1374
01:09:41,812 --> 01:09:42,012
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1375
01:09:42,053 --> 01:09:44,093
Speaker 2: Well, maybe people can start a register of places they

1376
01:09:44,173 --> 01:09:46,652
Speaker 2: want to be tagged, some kind of app where you

1377
01:09:46,732 --> 01:09:49,492
Speaker 2: go tag my tag me ye, that'll be the name

1378
01:09:49,492 --> 01:09:50,012
Speaker 2: of it, and then.

1379
01:09:49,973 --> 01:09:50,492
Speaker 4: Go and do them.

1380
01:09:50,532 --> 01:09:52,053
Speaker 3: So you're not doing good ideas today, an't you?

1381
01:09:52,173 --> 01:09:55,572
Speaker 2: So you're not tagging or painting stuff that doesn't belong

1382
01:09:55,652 --> 01:09:57,852
Speaker 2: to you or people don't want to do it. So

1383
01:09:58,053 --> 01:09:58,652
Speaker 2: I want you to do it.

1384
01:09:58,732 --> 01:10:00,692
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

1385
01:10:00,732 --> 01:10:02,452
Speaker 3: love to hear from you. It is sixteen to two

1386
01:10:02,572 --> 01:10:04,772
Speaker 3: three the big.

1387
01:10:04,652 --> 01:10:08,812
Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything between

1388
01:10:09,053 --> 01:10:10,372
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams.

1389
01:10:10,532 --> 01:10:11,972
Speaker 5: Afternoons used talks.

1390
01:10:11,973 --> 01:10:14,812
Speaker 3: It'd be afternoon two you fourteen to three. Witties sit

1391
01:10:14,933 --> 01:10:17,812
Speaker 3: on graffiti or tagging and where's the line between being

1392
01:10:17,853 --> 01:10:20,933
Speaker 3: an artist or just a vandal? Pork You may have

1393
01:10:21,053 --> 01:10:24,132
Speaker 3: seen him around Auckland or his tag anyway. A total

1394
01:10:24,173 --> 01:10:26,213
Speaker 3: of two hundred and ninety eight graffiti incidents have been

1395
01:10:26,293 --> 01:10:30,652
Speaker 3: identified relating to Porker or poor Key, and he certainly

1396
01:10:30,692 --> 01:10:31,692
Speaker 3: gets around by the sounds of it.

1397
01:10:32,772 --> 01:10:35,012
Speaker 2: I know an artist that paints on road cones consider

1398
01:10:35,053 --> 01:10:36,772
Speaker 2: that a public service? Yeah, I mean there's a lot

1399
01:10:36,812 --> 01:10:41,333
Speaker 2: of people complaining, you know, about the how ugly tags

1400
01:10:41,372 --> 01:10:44,532
Speaker 2: and graffiti is, But boy, how ugly are road cones?

1401
01:10:44,652 --> 01:10:44,892
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1402
01:10:45,772 --> 01:10:46,333
Speaker 3: Pretty it up.

1403
01:10:46,452 --> 01:10:51,052
Speaker 2: I mean road cones, the overconing and the over safety

1404
01:10:51,093 --> 01:10:54,293
Speaker 2: advising of you know, in the whole traffic management that

1405
01:10:54,452 --> 01:10:57,652
Speaker 2: is being imposed ridiculously and just by some people's clever

1406
01:10:57,732 --> 01:10:59,612
Speaker 2: way to make money off off governments.

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01:11:00,732 --> 01:11:01,293
Speaker 5: That's ugly.

1408
01:11:02,013 --> 01:11:04,532
Speaker 2: That is ugly, and it does contribute to the feel

1409
01:11:04,612 --> 01:11:05,412
Speaker 2: of urban decay.

1410
01:11:05,732 --> 01:11:07,932
Speaker 3: Nobody would care of Pork went after road cones, though,

1411
01:11:07,933 --> 01:11:08,213
Speaker 3: would they.

1412
01:11:10,412 --> 01:11:13,492
Speaker 2: Okay, So here we go. Here's the text. Hey guys,

1413
01:11:13,532 --> 01:11:16,732
Speaker 2: make sure you check out what my good mate knit

1414
01:11:16,893 --> 01:11:20,213
Speaker 2: sewer a graffiti art looks like they're masterpieces. He paid

1415
01:11:20,253 --> 01:11:21,692
Speaker 2: to do it. The schools all over Australia.

1416
01:11:21,853 --> 01:11:23,772
Speaker 3: I've just had a we look at it is beautiful work.

1417
01:11:23,812 --> 01:11:25,652
Speaker 3: I just turned around. This is Nitsur. I think I've

1418
01:11:25,692 --> 01:11:29,053
Speaker 3: got his Instagram page. But that is stunning, isn't it?

1419
01:11:29,133 --> 01:11:31,173
Speaker 2: But that is But this is the thing that someone's

1420
01:11:31,213 --> 01:11:33,652
Speaker 2: texting out. People are confusing the difference between a mural

1421
01:11:34,133 --> 01:11:37,372
Speaker 2: and graffiti. So a mural is organized and it's put

1422
01:11:37,452 --> 01:11:40,213
Speaker 2: in a place where people want it and then it's done,

1423
01:11:40,333 --> 01:11:41,932
Speaker 2: and it can be art and it can be beautiful

1424
01:11:41,973 --> 01:11:44,692
Speaker 2: and it can make cities better. Like gosh, the beautiful

1425
01:11:44,732 --> 01:11:46,333
Speaker 2: works that have been put up on the walls in

1426
01:11:46,412 --> 01:11:49,213
Speaker 2: my hometown of Dunedin, orso in christ Church, some beautiful

1427
01:11:49,293 --> 01:11:53,492
Speaker 2: murals out and about in Auckland as well. That's that's

1428
01:11:53,532 --> 01:11:55,972
Speaker 2: a very different issue. If someone's an artist, then they've

1429
01:11:55,973 --> 01:11:58,812
Speaker 2: given a wall to draw on and paint on. Then

1430
01:11:59,013 --> 01:12:02,253
Speaker 2: then then then wicked. It's it's a very very different thing.

1431
01:12:03,173 --> 01:12:03,532
Speaker 3: Simon.

1432
01:12:03,612 --> 01:12:07,692
Speaker 15: You're not a fan nah Grafiti, but I am in

1433
01:12:07,772 --> 01:12:11,412
Speaker 15: agreement as well. You've just did it. But someone's been

1434
01:12:11,492 --> 01:12:14,333
Speaker 15: asked to do a mural and it's in a graffiti

1435
01:12:14,452 --> 01:12:16,973
Speaker 15: style old and I'm just going to pass some graffiti. Now,

1436
01:12:17,253 --> 01:12:23,013
Speaker 15: who's riffo and names they come up with. But I

1437
01:12:23,093 --> 01:12:25,412
Speaker 15: went to school back in the nineties, and I'm trying

1438
01:12:25,452 --> 01:12:27,892
Speaker 15: not to sound like some old fart here, but there

1439
01:12:28,053 --> 01:12:30,692
Speaker 15: was like when the graffiti first come out, didn't first

1440
01:12:30,772 --> 01:12:32,732
Speaker 15: come out them. But I remember guys I went to

1441
01:12:32,812 --> 01:12:35,852
Speaker 15: school with, and I went to a Catholic private school,

1442
01:12:36,333 --> 01:12:38,012
Speaker 15: and we'd be on the bus and they'd be pointing

1443
01:12:38,053 --> 01:12:40,452
Speaker 15: out their tags. And these are guys that live with

1444
01:12:40,572 --> 01:12:43,772
Speaker 15: mommy and daddy in suburbia, you know, and one had

1445
01:12:43,812 --> 01:12:46,013
Speaker 15: a star something, and they're all trying to be like

1446
01:12:46,372 --> 01:12:50,173
Speaker 15: some glorified streak kid. And I remember back then thinking, oh,

1447
01:12:50,372 --> 01:12:53,013
Speaker 15: hell sad man. You know, it's like it's like a

1448
01:12:53,133 --> 01:12:55,933
Speaker 15: dog pisses up a lamp post the market's territory. It

1449
01:12:58,612 --> 01:13:00,852
Speaker 15: just and it makes it look crap.

1450
01:13:01,013 --> 01:13:01,173
Speaker 6: You know.

1451
01:13:01,652 --> 01:13:05,493
Speaker 15: There's a big, huge difference between a mural and graffiti

1452
01:13:05,572 --> 01:13:09,013
Speaker 15: that's done as an art peat that's been and been

1453
01:13:09,093 --> 01:13:12,532
Speaker 15: given a theme and it looks good and due all

1454
01:13:12,612 --> 01:13:16,572
Speaker 15: over the world and just tagging our wolves and it

1455
01:13:16,732 --> 01:13:19,972
Speaker 15: makes everything look like that opening scene out of Once,

1456
01:13:20,013 --> 01:13:20,612
Speaker 15: We're Worrious.

1457
01:13:21,532 --> 01:13:23,412
Speaker 2: Now, do you have any sympathy for what Ben was

1458
01:13:23,412 --> 01:13:26,532
Speaker 2: saying before? Around him growing up and he had a

1459
01:13:26,572 --> 01:13:28,692
Speaker 2: pretty tough child and he just felt like no one

1460
01:13:28,732 --> 01:13:31,412
Speaker 2: in the world knew anything about him. And it was

1461
01:13:31,492 --> 01:13:33,972
Speaker 2: just a way to say, basically the world, I'm here

1462
01:13:34,093 --> 01:13:36,412
Speaker 2: and have some impact on the world, give himself some power.

1463
01:13:36,452 --> 01:13:37,412
Speaker 2: Do you have any sympathy for that?

1464
01:13:38,732 --> 01:13:41,933
Speaker 15: No, go for the energy into a sport or something creative.

1465
01:13:42,372 --> 01:13:45,213
Speaker 15: Graffiti is destructive. Ben should be out there with a

1466
01:13:45,293 --> 01:13:47,412
Speaker 15: bucket right now. And I reckon he probably did about

1467
01:13:47,452 --> 01:13:50,213
Speaker 15: eight hundred graffiti tags. He should have to scrub off

1468
01:13:50,213 --> 01:13:52,652
Speaker 15: at least three hundred right now. I don't care who

1469
01:13:53,293 --> 01:13:55,053
Speaker 15: they are. There had to be some tenants if you've

1470
01:13:55,133 --> 01:13:58,053
Speaker 15: changed your way, Ben. Ben's changed his ways because he

1471
01:13:58,133 --> 01:14:00,013
Speaker 15: knows what it's like to buy something and pay a

1472
01:14:00,093 --> 01:14:03,852
Speaker 15: mortgage now. So a little bit of a personal pain

1473
01:14:03,933 --> 01:14:06,492
Speaker 15: gives you a muscle memory of I don't want that

1474
01:14:06,612 --> 01:14:10,692
Speaker 15: tag now. So it just makes everywhere look crap. And

1475
01:14:11,253 --> 01:14:13,973
Speaker 15: the worst one that comes to mind is when they

1476
01:14:14,053 --> 01:14:17,612
Speaker 15: built the Westfield Mall and New Market and going across

1477
01:14:17,652 --> 01:14:19,932
Speaker 15: the motorway, you saw the graffiti that went up there.

1478
01:14:19,933 --> 01:14:21,132
Speaker 15: A couple of months afterwards.

1479
01:14:22,652 --> 01:14:25,732
Speaker 2: I didn't, but yeah, it looked horrible.

1480
01:14:25,853 --> 01:14:27,932
Speaker 15: And I'm a trade and someone went to a lot

1481
01:14:28,013 --> 01:14:30,372
Speaker 15: of chouble to make that look good, and it just

1482
01:14:30,652 --> 01:14:33,932
Speaker 15: straight away you're driving along going that looks quite good,

1483
01:14:34,013 --> 01:14:36,093
Speaker 15: and the thing looks that actually built a bloody moll.

1484
01:14:36,173 --> 01:14:40,492
Speaker 15: That doesn't look like a glorified toilet. And then they

1485
01:14:40,532 --> 01:14:41,852
Speaker 15: went and ruined it straight away.

1486
01:14:43,372 --> 01:14:46,692
Speaker 2: And there's some absolute scam that, you know, like we're

1487
01:14:46,692 --> 01:14:48,532
Speaker 2: talking about murals before. I've seen it a few times.

1488
01:14:48,572 --> 01:14:51,612
Speaker 2: A beautiful mural is painted and it looks incredible, is it?

1489
01:14:51,812 --> 01:14:54,133
Speaker 2: You know it can be actually a work of art,

1490
01:14:54,173 --> 01:14:56,772
Speaker 2: and then someone will just come and white spray paint

1491
01:14:56,812 --> 01:15:02,013
Speaker 2: and write their stupid name on it. Yeah, right across thee.

1492
01:15:02,133 --> 01:15:03,572
Speaker 15: Think they're going to be the next banks Ki.

1493
01:15:03,732 --> 01:15:03,852
Speaker 1: You know.

1494
01:15:04,572 --> 01:15:06,572
Speaker 3: It's a massive dog move doing that though, wasn't it.

1495
01:15:07,213 --> 01:15:09,293
Speaker 3: But so I'm in honesty. I mean we're almost out

1496
01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:12,133
Speaker 3: of time here. But sometimes when you see say a

1497
01:15:12,173 --> 01:15:15,532
Speaker 3: bit of graffiti or tagging near the train tracks, do

1498
01:15:15,612 --> 01:15:17,812
Speaker 3: you not sometimes look at some of that tagging and

1499
01:15:17,933 --> 01:15:18,852
Speaker 3: think that takes.

1500
01:15:18,732 --> 01:15:19,173
Speaker 4: You not bad?

1501
01:15:20,853 --> 01:15:20,893
Speaker 10: No?

1502
01:15:21,412 --> 01:15:22,053
Speaker 4: No, I never do.

1503
01:15:22,492 --> 01:15:25,492
Speaker 15: I go, you've just made us look like urban jungle.

1504
01:15:25,772 --> 01:15:28,213
Speaker 15: When quite frankly, if you've got good train tracks, a

1505
01:15:28,293 --> 01:15:30,412
Speaker 15: few trees been planned, it always makes things look a

1506
01:15:30,452 --> 01:15:34,013
Speaker 15: bit nice with that flack, But graffiti always, no, it

1507
01:15:34,133 --> 01:15:35,973
Speaker 15: brings me down. I look at it and I go,

1508
01:15:36,933 --> 01:15:37,933
Speaker 15: it just looks crap y.

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01:15:38,093 --> 01:15:40,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you, Paul Simon. Here's a question for

1510
01:15:40,253 --> 01:15:41,852
Speaker 2: people like eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We're talking

1511
01:15:41,853 --> 01:15:44,372
Speaker 2: about pork. He's all over the place, nearly three hundred

1512
01:15:44,412 --> 01:15:47,692
Speaker 2: graffiti's in the last year running pork around the country.

1513
01:15:48,173 --> 01:15:50,293
Speaker 2: Is it worse for you if it's on private property

1514
01:15:50,333 --> 01:15:52,812
Speaker 2: than public property? I mean public property. We all own it,

1515
01:15:53,293 --> 01:15:55,652
Speaker 2: and we've all spent our taxpayers and rates money has

1516
01:15:55,692 --> 01:16:00,293
Speaker 2: gone towards building these things. But do you feel more

1517
01:16:00,372 --> 01:16:03,492
Speaker 2: angry about public or private property someone writes their big

1518
01:16:03,532 --> 01:16:05,452
Speaker 2: tag on it. So if someone's just got a know,

1519
01:16:05,532 --> 01:16:08,013
Speaker 2: a fence in their house, paying off their mortgage, and

1520
01:16:08,053 --> 01:16:10,253
Speaker 2: someone comes and writes a massive pork along the fence

1521
01:16:11,213 --> 01:16:14,213
Speaker 2: for some reason, for me, that is more aggravating, even

1522
01:16:14,253 --> 01:16:17,812
Speaker 2: though we all collectively own the other piece, the public

1523
01:16:17,853 --> 01:16:18,972
Speaker 2: stuff that's sting tags.

1524
01:16:19,053 --> 01:16:21,173
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1525
01:16:21,213 --> 01:16:23,253
Speaker 3: of call love to hear your thoughts to that question?

1526
01:16:23,412 --> 01:16:24,492
Speaker 3: It is seven to three.

1527
01:16:26,053 --> 01:16:27,732
Speaker 5: The issues that affect you and.

1528
01:16:27,853 --> 01:16:29,973
Speaker 1: A bit of fun along the way, Matt Heath and

1529
01:16:30,053 --> 01:16:32,172
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams Afternoons news.

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01:16:32,093 --> 01:16:32,732
Speaker 5: Talk Z be.

1531
01:16:34,652 --> 01:16:36,892
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. It is five to three. We're gonna pick

1532
01:16:36,933 --> 01:16:41,452
Speaker 3: this back up after the three o'clock news. Couple of texts, Lads,

1533
01:16:41,812 --> 01:16:48,053
Speaker 3: what about the most famous tag Albato chairs Michael the Milkman. Yeah,

1534
01:16:48,093 --> 01:16:50,932
Speaker 3: Albarto certainly was very famous in the world of the Simptons.

1535
01:16:52,093 --> 01:16:54,652
Speaker 3: Vandals are a waste of space and a waste of

1536
01:16:54,772 --> 01:16:58,412
Speaker 3: time for all the councils cleaning up after them, lock

1537
01:16:58,492 --> 01:16:59,412
Speaker 3: them up, taste them.

1538
01:16:59,772 --> 01:17:02,293
Speaker 2: Here has penalty should be having to clean up all

1539
01:17:02,452 --> 01:17:04,732
Speaker 2: his gibberish while having a drone hold them up there

1540
01:17:04,772 --> 01:17:07,372
Speaker 2: by his undies. So that's the weidgie approach.

1541
01:17:07,492 --> 01:17:08,213
Speaker 3: I'd love to watch that.

1542
01:17:08,853 --> 01:17:11,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, punishment a hundred leashings with a strip of bacon

1543
01:17:12,053 --> 01:17:12,852
Speaker 2: for Pork's is he.

1544
01:17:14,732 --> 01:17:15,093
Speaker 4: So far?

1545
01:17:15,372 --> 01:17:15,732
Speaker 3: I reckon?

1546
01:17:16,133 --> 01:17:18,892
Speaker 2: I reckon? I could I could take one hundred lessons

1547
01:17:18,893 --> 01:17:19,692
Speaker 2: with a strip of bacon.

1548
01:17:19,973 --> 01:17:23,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe cooked bacon, that raw bacon, A nice,

1549
01:17:23,372 --> 01:17:24,732
Speaker 3: nice big strip with a bit of fat on it.

1550
01:17:25,572 --> 01:17:25,692
Speaker 4: Uh.

1551
01:17:26,213 --> 01:17:28,892
Speaker 3: Pork has probably got graffiti all over the North Island

1552
01:17:28,933 --> 01:17:32,492
Speaker 3: as I have seen it around Rangy Tiki as well.

1553
01:17:32,572 --> 01:17:34,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this old documentary on pork. And there's always

1554
01:17:34,572 --> 01:17:37,532
Speaker 2: a chance at this copy cut copycat Pork's as well. Yeah,

1555
01:17:37,652 --> 01:17:40,612
Speaker 2: very true, copy pigs, copy pegs. But we'll keep talking

1556
01:17:40,612 --> 01:17:42,372
Speaker 2: about this after the news.

1557
01:17:42,973 --> 01:17:44,852
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call,

1558
01:17:45,213 --> 01:17:47,532
Speaker 3: love to hear from you on this one. It is

1559
01:17:47,772 --> 01:17:50,133
Speaker 3: four minutes to three new Sport and weather coming up.

1560
01:17:50,173 --> 01:17:52,652
Speaker 3: Of course you're listening to matt and Tyler. Very good

1561
01:17:52,732 --> 01:17:53,492
Speaker 3: afternoon to you.

1562
01:17:56,812 --> 01:18:07,492
Speaker 4: Is a little goods something madd.

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01:18:13,812 --> 01:18:18,132
Speaker 1: Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1564
01:18:18,372 --> 01:18:23,812
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby News talk Ed.

1565
01:18:23,933 --> 01:18:25,732
Speaker 3: Be welcome back into the show, and we're talking about

1566
01:18:25,772 --> 01:18:30,293
Speaker 3: graffiti or tagging however you view it. It is after

1567
01:18:30,452 --> 01:18:35,252
Speaker 3: pork or porky or porker. He he's got an Instagram

1568
01:18:35,333 --> 01:18:39,453
Speaker 3: page and he loves to post up videos of his graffiti.

1569
01:18:39,532 --> 01:18:43,372
Speaker 3: But he is had a total of nine hundred, sorry,

1570
01:18:43,452 --> 01:18:46,333
Speaker 3: nine hundred, two hundred and ninety eight graffiti incidents that

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01:18:46,492 --> 01:18:50,012
Speaker 3: have been identified by Auckland Council. So that is prolific.

1572
01:18:50,293 --> 01:18:53,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently there's a documentary on pork. This this

1573
01:18:53,572 --> 01:18:57,093
Speaker 2: graffitist you'd think a detective would be able to track

1574
01:18:57,173 --> 01:18:59,812
Speaker 2: him down if someone actually some young buck, as I

1575
01:18:59,853 --> 01:19:02,053
Speaker 2: said before, joined the police force and wanted to find

1576
01:19:02,053 --> 01:19:05,173
Speaker 2: out who Pork was and you know, make him face

1577
01:19:05,333 --> 01:19:08,812
Speaker 2: the full extent of the law for us for his graffiting.

1578
01:19:08,893 --> 01:19:10,412
Speaker 2: And you think they could do it. But I keep

1579
01:19:10,452 --> 01:19:13,052
Speaker 2: trying to look up what the pork documentary is called,

1580
01:19:13,173 --> 01:19:15,692
Speaker 2: and the closest I've got is Korean pork Belly Rhapsody,

1581
01:19:15,732 --> 01:19:16,973
Speaker 2: the documentary.

1582
01:19:16,652 --> 01:19:19,333
Speaker 3: That sounds like a very tasty documentary.

1583
01:19:19,572 --> 01:19:22,053
Speaker 2: I can't get past documentaries on pork, trying to find

1584
01:19:22,372 --> 01:19:26,972
Speaker 2: a documentary on pork. This Texas is Graffiti is never

1585
01:19:27,053 --> 01:19:29,973
Speaker 2: acceptable anywhere, and most government or council buildings are now

1586
01:19:30,133 --> 01:19:34,452
Speaker 2: nowadays rents of private owners. They are just vandals, always

1587
01:19:34,532 --> 01:19:38,412
Speaker 2: crapping at if the building I volunteer at is on

1588
01:19:38,572 --> 01:19:41,412
Speaker 2: the windows walls, they don't care who's probably it is. Okay,

1589
01:19:41,532 --> 01:19:43,692
Speaker 2: that doesn't quite make sense, but I think what they

1590
01:19:43,812 --> 01:19:46,772
Speaker 2: meant to say is that they're always scraping it, not

1591
01:19:46,893 --> 01:19:48,293
Speaker 2: crapping it off the windows.

1592
01:19:48,412 --> 01:19:50,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the anger of this text so they

1593
01:19:50,652 --> 01:19:51,333
Speaker 3: got the best of them.

1594
01:19:51,612 --> 01:19:54,412
Speaker 2: Give your penalties whatever the age of the offender is

1595
01:19:54,732 --> 01:19:58,532
Speaker 2: paint them for years all over so everyone can see

1596
01:19:58,772 --> 01:20:00,412
Speaker 2: what a holes the vandals they are.

1597
01:20:00,572 --> 01:20:03,093
Speaker 3: Oh like a scarlet letter situation, like paint them all over.

1598
01:20:04,053 --> 01:20:06,293
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if that because someone before the

1599
01:20:06,372 --> 01:20:09,053
Speaker 2: break suggested that the punishment for pork Court should be

1600
01:20:09,253 --> 01:20:11,573
Speaker 2: one hundred lessings with a strip of bacon.

1601
01:20:12,213 --> 01:20:14,172
Speaker 3: And you said you'd be up for that, and everybody

1602
01:20:14,173 --> 01:20:16,293
Speaker 3: who heard that. So just on the record, met would

1603
01:20:16,372 --> 01:20:18,013
Speaker 3: like to be whacked a hundred times with a piece

1604
01:20:18,053 --> 01:20:18,333
Speaker 3: of bacon.

1605
01:20:18,452 --> 01:20:21,093
Speaker 2: I think I got enjoy it. Yeah, as long as

1606
01:20:21,133 --> 01:20:27,412
Speaker 2: I could eat the bacon, make a bacon buddy later

1607
01:20:27,492 --> 01:20:31,452
Speaker 2: on to be fine. Carl, Welcome to the show. So

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01:20:31,572 --> 01:20:33,133
Speaker 2: you know about this pork documentary?

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01:20:34,532 --> 01:20:34,732
Speaker 8: Yeah?

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01:20:35,093 --> 01:20:38,572
Speaker 16: Mate, Yeah, full time pork that's what it's called, if

1611
01:20:38,612 --> 01:20:41,653
Speaker 16: you look it up on YouTube. Documentary.

1612
01:20:41,853 --> 01:20:44,213
Speaker 2: So not Korean pork belly reps.

1613
01:20:44,213 --> 01:20:45,692
Speaker 16: Korean barbecue pork belly.

1614
01:20:46,532 --> 01:20:50,333
Speaker 3: You're wrong, then, a full time and you've seen it,

1615
01:20:50,732 --> 01:20:50,973
Speaker 3: have you?

1616
01:20:51,853 --> 01:20:54,812
Speaker 16: I have seen it, and I know someone associated with

1617
01:20:55,492 --> 01:20:59,213
Speaker 16: producing it. It's actually a really well produced clip, so

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01:20:59,572 --> 01:21:00,372
Speaker 16: it's worth to watch.

1619
01:21:00,893 --> 01:21:01,133
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1620
01:21:01,612 --> 01:21:05,412
Speaker 16: I don't agree with graffiti on private property. I agree

1621
01:21:05,452 --> 01:21:09,692
Speaker 16: with mural artwork. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you haven't watched it,

1622
01:21:09,772 --> 01:21:14,372
Speaker 16: swear to watch. I've seen his tags all around Auckland.

1623
01:21:14,452 --> 01:21:18,093
Speaker 16: I drive around Auckland on stuff every day. Yep, for

1624
01:21:18,253 --> 01:21:21,253
Speaker 16: a living. What he has done has.

1625
01:21:21,173 --> 01:21:24,572
Speaker 14: Cost us as tech is ridiculous.

1626
01:21:23,933 --> 01:21:26,492
Speaker 16: Amount of money just so he can be noticed by

1627
01:21:26,572 --> 01:21:29,732
Speaker 16: his friends and colleagues. Yeah, it's it's pretty weird.

1628
01:21:30,093 --> 01:21:32,652
Speaker 3: I've just had a wee look at an article about

1629
01:21:32,692 --> 01:21:34,812
Speaker 3: this documentary. It looks like a good watch. Cal but

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01:21:35,372 --> 01:21:38,892
Speaker 3: I love a week quote by Pork when he was asked,

1631
01:21:38,973 --> 01:21:41,852
Speaker 3: so why why why? He said? When asked why he

1632
01:21:41,933 --> 01:21:44,892
Speaker 3: does this? Why hang off buildings, risking my life, risking

1633
01:21:44,973 --> 01:21:47,452
Speaker 3: my freedom, he responded, someone's got to do it, bro,

1634
01:21:47,973 --> 01:21:49,372
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a great reason.

1635
01:21:49,652 --> 01:21:51,572
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's kind of it's kind of like

1636
01:21:52,372 --> 01:21:54,412
Speaker 2: it's kind of like sir ed, but not quite as worthy.

1637
01:21:55,333 --> 01:21:57,452
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's a good key, good key with saying by

1638
01:21:57,492 --> 01:21:58,013
Speaker 16: the sounds of that.

1639
01:21:58,572 --> 01:22:00,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say someone doesn't have to do it. But

1640
01:22:00,572 --> 01:22:02,812
Speaker 2: it's interesting because I'm just looking at pictures from this documentary.

1641
01:22:02,812 --> 01:22:03,093
Speaker 15: You could.

1642
01:22:03,133 --> 01:22:05,093
Speaker 2: I mean, if if someone wanted to track him down,

1643
01:22:05,093 --> 01:22:06,572
Speaker 2: obviously the documentary makes.

1644
01:22:07,013 --> 01:22:08,852
Speaker 16: I would say he's been caught for format.

1645
01:22:09,013 --> 01:22:10,972
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, I mean surely. I mean, like, I'm

1646
01:22:11,013 --> 01:22:13,412
Speaker 2: just looking at pictures from the documentary with his face blurred.

1647
01:22:13,772 --> 01:22:15,852
Speaker 2: He's not. He's not the youngest guy in the world.

1648
01:22:16,013 --> 01:22:18,732
Speaker 2: It's not like a no, he looks like his age.

1649
01:22:19,133 --> 01:22:20,893
Speaker 2: He's what's that? You can tell me? It tells you

1650
01:22:20,933 --> 01:22:21,253
Speaker 2: his age.

1651
01:22:21,333 --> 01:22:24,412
Speaker 16: He tells you his age on there. I can't remember

1652
01:22:24,412 --> 01:22:26,293
Speaker 16: I watched this is going back about a year ago?

1653
01:22:26,492 --> 01:22:26,772
Speaker 4: Thirty?

1654
01:22:26,893 --> 01:22:28,333
Speaker 2: Is he thirties forties?

1655
01:22:28,692 --> 01:22:31,372
Speaker 16: Be it'd be going well he's oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

1656
01:22:31,532 --> 01:22:33,492
Speaker 16: so I think it was twenty seven when I watched it,

1657
01:22:33,652 --> 01:22:37,333
Speaker 16: so well over if you listen to his voice, it listens,

1658
01:22:37,412 --> 01:22:40,133
Speaker 16: it sounds like he's yeah, mid thirties.

1659
01:22:40,173 --> 01:22:42,253
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, and he's got he's kind of got

1660
01:22:42,333 --> 01:22:45,412
Speaker 2: like a sort of stoop stooped posture of a person

1661
01:22:45,532 --> 01:22:46,813
Speaker 2: that's giving.

1662
01:22:46,572 --> 01:22:50,572
Speaker 16: On about yeah, not being raced or anything.

1663
01:22:50,612 --> 01:22:51,412
Speaker 15: But he's a white boy.

1664
01:22:52,093 --> 01:22:53,572
Speaker 6: What does he do? What does he do?

1665
01:22:54,133 --> 01:22:57,052
Speaker 3: Does he mention his day job? I suppose not exactly,

1666
01:22:57,173 --> 01:22:59,333
Speaker 3: but does he say what he does outside of tagging?

1667
01:22:59,652 --> 01:23:02,812
Speaker 15: This is a day job? Right, is a day job?

1668
01:23:02,853 --> 01:23:05,492
Speaker 16: If you watch it, everything we explained, if you just watch.

1669
01:23:05,372 --> 01:23:09,172
Speaker 3: It, mate, Okay, sick of the questions.

1670
01:23:09,812 --> 01:23:15,652
Speaker 16: We don't have time, so I can't quote from what's.

1671
01:23:15,532 --> 01:23:16,812
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, cool?

1672
01:23:17,572 --> 01:23:20,133
Speaker 2: Thanks for your cool after stop asking, Carl, you know,

1673
01:23:20,293 --> 01:23:21,973
Speaker 2: just go and watch it kill you, Tyler, to go

1674
01:23:22,053 --> 01:23:23,852
Speaker 2: back in time and watch it before we do this subject.

1675
01:23:24,933 --> 01:23:27,012
Speaker 2: There would be the basic level of research you should

1676
01:23:27,013 --> 01:23:27,293
Speaker 2: have done.

1677
01:23:27,412 --> 01:23:29,812
Speaker 3: Full time pork is what it's called, give pork.

1678
01:23:29,692 --> 01:23:33,333
Speaker 2: Twenty hours community service, removing tags for every offense committed.

1679
01:23:34,492 --> 01:23:36,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's solid, it's pretty logical.

1680
01:23:36,532 --> 01:23:40,772
Speaker 2: Actually, the type of graffiti that is acceptable and cracks

1681
01:23:40,853 --> 01:23:45,732
Speaker 2: me up is the depictions of the mail downstairs being

1682
01:23:45,812 --> 01:23:48,213
Speaker 2: drawn on election billboards. So that's what that person.

1683
01:23:48,572 --> 01:23:51,732
Speaker 3: I think the country could probably get behind that argument.

1684
01:23:52,372 --> 01:23:54,333
Speaker 2: To be honest, Well, I mean everyone enjoys when it's

1685
01:23:54,372 --> 01:23:56,772
Speaker 2: on the party they're not voting for, doesn't it, But

1686
01:23:56,853 --> 01:23:59,692
Speaker 2: then it gets incredibly outraged when it's on their on

1687
01:23:59,772 --> 01:24:00,532
Speaker 2: their side.

1688
01:24:00,853 --> 01:24:02,852
Speaker 3: If a tag makes you laugh, I mean, does that

1689
01:24:03,013 --> 01:24:06,253
Speaker 3: then transition it to art? If art makes you feel something,

1690
01:24:06,412 --> 01:24:07,372
Speaker 3: I'd argue yes.

1691
01:24:07,372 --> 01:24:09,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, let's not get it into their debate

1692
01:24:09,053 --> 01:24:12,812
Speaker 2: of what is art? I mean, what's the name du

1693
01:24:12,893 --> 01:24:15,852
Speaker 2: com Michelle du Kahm will join the chat, then, wouldn't he?

1694
01:24:15,893 --> 01:24:17,812
Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1695
01:24:17,933 --> 01:24:20,452
Speaker 3: number to call graffiti. How do you feel about it?

1696
01:24:20,452 --> 01:24:22,372
Speaker 3: And how do you feel about this one individual here

1697
01:24:22,452 --> 01:24:24,852
Speaker 3: goes by the name Pork two hundred and ninety eight

1698
01:24:25,253 --> 01:24:28,173
Speaker 3: incidents in Auckland alone, but he has been spotted up

1699
01:24:28,213 --> 01:24:30,532
Speaker 3: and down the country. What should be the punishment be

1700
01:24:30,612 --> 01:24:33,253
Speaker 3: for these sort of taggers? And if you're a reformed

1701
01:24:33,532 --> 01:24:36,692
Speaker 3: graffiti artist or tagger, I'd love to hear from you.

1702
01:24:36,893 --> 01:24:42,213
Speaker 3: It is thirteen past three News talks ed be good afternoon,

1703
01:24:42,293 --> 01:24:45,213
Speaker 3: Shielder is sixteen past three, and we're talking about graffiti

1704
01:24:45,452 --> 01:24:49,412
Speaker 3: artist or probably taggers to most people. A guy called

1705
01:24:49,492 --> 01:24:53,652
Speaker 3: Pork who goes up and down the country spray painting

1706
01:24:53,692 --> 01:24:57,412
Speaker 3: the word pork or porky or porker onto walls and

1707
01:24:57,532 --> 01:25:02,372
Speaker 3: fences and buildings. He has or the Auckland Council's identified

1708
01:25:02,372 --> 01:25:04,972
Speaker 3: two hundred and ninety eight incidents of that and that's

1709
01:25:05,053 --> 01:25:07,812
Speaker 3: just an Auckland So how do you feel about graffiti? Heather?

1710
01:25:10,013 --> 01:25:15,372
Speaker 9: Oh, I hate, I hate graffiti. I think they're blungers.

1711
01:25:16,812 --> 01:25:19,892
Speaker 9: But a funny story that was just popped in my mind.

1712
01:25:19,973 --> 01:25:24,612
Speaker 9: Then that guy asked you had you ever graffitied? Matt

1713
01:25:24,732 --> 01:25:25,452
Speaker 9: Rules with a Z.

1714
01:25:25,933 --> 01:25:27,253
Speaker 6: You were is.

1715
01:25:27,732 --> 01:25:32,372
Speaker 3: Graffiti with Matt's with a Z. Did you say yeah yet?

1716
01:25:32,652 --> 01:25:36,772
Speaker 9: I think in my mind to the seventies, walked out

1717
01:25:36,853 --> 01:25:39,532
Speaker 9: the front of the house and painted right across a

1718
01:25:39,853 --> 01:25:46,932
Speaker 9: big lovely drive kiss rules Z on two garage doors,

1719
01:25:47,133 --> 01:25:47,852
Speaker 9: kissed rules.

1720
01:25:48,133 --> 01:25:49,333
Speaker 8: Who is it?

1721
01:25:50,293 --> 01:25:54,572
Speaker 9: Go inside? There's my third troum son with his brand

1722
01:25:54,612 --> 01:25:57,372
Speaker 9: new top mart and shoes. I just brought the day

1723
01:25:57,452 --> 01:25:59,772
Speaker 9: before kiss rules of the boat.

1724
01:26:02,133 --> 01:26:04,532
Speaker 2: That is a big is a big clue.

1725
01:26:06,013 --> 01:26:06,532
Speaker 4: That there was.

1726
01:26:06,692 --> 01:26:09,573
Speaker 2: That was a huge clue for who was the perpetrator?

1727
01:26:09,772 --> 01:26:12,532
Speaker 9: I think so yeah, even though I could see well

1728
01:26:13,133 --> 01:26:16,692
Speaker 9: but like a last season today, Yeah, and I wanted

1729
01:26:16,732 --> 01:26:18,532
Speaker 9: to lash him with a lot more than bacon.

1730
01:26:20,692 --> 01:26:24,972
Speaker 2: That's brazen tattooing. I mean tattooing, tagging your own house.

1731
01:26:26,053 --> 01:26:28,652
Speaker 2: I mean kess do roll, I mean a passion for

1732
01:26:28,692 --> 01:26:31,213
Speaker 2: the benk I nothing wrong with it, There's no there's

1733
01:26:31,253 --> 01:26:34,572
Speaker 2: no lie in the the tagging. But I don't know

1734
01:26:34,612 --> 01:26:36,652
Speaker 2: if you need to write that on your own very

1735
01:26:36,732 --> 01:26:39,612
Speaker 2: own house, Jamie. You're an ex graffitiatist.

1736
01:26:40,933 --> 01:26:44,732
Speaker 17: You yep, yep, used to write for years and years.

1737
01:26:46,053 --> 01:26:48,692
Speaker 17: I've given up now, but I still still look around,

1738
01:26:49,133 --> 01:26:51,612
Speaker 17: still see all the stuff everywhere love it?

1739
01:26:52,772 --> 01:26:54,133
Speaker 4: Did you? What did you? What did you stop?

1740
01:26:54,213 --> 01:26:55,173
Speaker 2: What did you stop? Jamie?

1741
01:26:58,173 --> 01:27:01,333
Speaker 17: I think you know the main reason was back and

1742
01:27:01,893 --> 01:27:05,852
Speaker 17: when you eleven, the Rugby World Couple was on and

1743
01:27:06,293 --> 01:27:11,333
Speaker 17: the Autome Council did this massive kind of thing where

1744
01:27:11,372 --> 01:27:14,732
Speaker 17: they spent millions just painting over everything. So all the

1745
01:27:14,933 --> 01:27:20,372
Speaker 17: train codors everywhere along the motorways all got the buff

1746
01:27:20,452 --> 01:27:23,932
Speaker 17: and it was just totally demoralizing going out there every night.

1747
01:27:24,013 --> 01:27:25,772
Speaker 17: And then you know, a couple of days later, whatever

1748
01:27:25,812 --> 01:27:26,572
Speaker 17: you've done had gone.

1749
01:27:27,652 --> 01:27:29,532
Speaker 2: Did you ever think about why you did it, what

1750
01:27:29,652 --> 01:27:33,052
Speaker 2: the motivation was for you, how did it make you feel?

1751
01:27:33,093 --> 01:27:33,133
Speaker 18: What?

1752
01:27:33,412 --> 01:27:35,053
Speaker 2: Because it must have been a compulsion. There's quite a

1753
01:27:35,093 --> 01:27:37,053
Speaker 2: lot of work involved. You've got to get the got

1754
01:27:37,173 --> 01:27:39,012
Speaker 2: to get the cans, You've got to go out a night.

1755
01:27:39,772 --> 01:27:41,933
Speaker 2: You know, did you ever think about what why you

1756
01:27:42,053 --> 01:27:44,253
Speaker 2: did it, why you were compelled to do it?

1757
01:27:45,013 --> 01:27:49,612
Speaker 17: Yeah, it definitely becomes an addiction after a while. When

1758
01:27:49,652 --> 01:27:51,932
Speaker 17: I started, like, I just kind of saw it everywhere

1759
01:27:53,013 --> 01:27:57,173
Speaker 17: before I even you know, got up myself, and you know,

1760
01:27:57,213 --> 01:27:58,812
Speaker 17: I think, no, that's pretty cool. I want to be

1761
01:27:58,853 --> 01:28:00,213
Speaker 17: a part of that. And I'd sort of go out

1762
01:28:00,253 --> 01:28:03,253
Speaker 17: by myself and do it, and then afterways start meeting

1763
01:28:03,333 --> 01:28:06,612
Speaker 17: other people and you get your little crews together and

1764
01:28:06,933 --> 01:28:09,732
Speaker 17: it becomes like quite a social saying. You get huge

1765
01:28:09,812 --> 01:28:13,572
Speaker 17: new sort of free end groups from it, and you know,

1766
01:28:13,612 --> 01:28:16,253
Speaker 17: it's just a great way to past time. Did you

1767
01:28:16,492 --> 01:28:17,692
Speaker 17: get an addictive hobby?

1768
01:28:17,933 --> 01:28:20,173
Speaker 2: Did you ever get busted or anyone you know ever

1769
01:28:20,253 --> 01:28:20,772
Speaker 2: get busted?

1770
01:28:22,133 --> 01:28:25,612
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, yeah I got I got busted. You just

1771
01:28:25,692 --> 01:28:27,333
Speaker 17: get kind of like a slap on the wrist and

1772
01:28:27,452 --> 01:28:28,933
Speaker 17: you keep going it's all good, So.

1773
01:28:28,973 --> 01:28:32,012
Speaker 2: They don't they don't ping you for every single one

1774
01:28:32,213 --> 01:28:34,572
Speaker 2: you've got, Like de Pens.

1775
01:28:34,652 --> 01:28:36,532
Speaker 17: I think if you know, like some of the more

1776
01:28:36,692 --> 01:28:44,013
Speaker 17: prolific guys that are doing like real massive damage. It

1777
01:28:44,213 --> 01:28:47,933
Speaker 17: was this guy that used to write bloom and he

1778
01:28:49,053 --> 01:28:52,293
Speaker 17: used a fire extinguisher to pain us his name on

1779
01:28:52,333 --> 01:28:56,372
Speaker 17: the side of the Westfield shopping mall over the main

1780
01:28:57,612 --> 01:28:59,852
Speaker 17: market flyover, and I think, you know, they're saying that

1781
01:28:59,933 --> 01:29:02,173
Speaker 17: that costs probably about a million bucks. In fact, they're

1782
01:29:02,213 --> 01:29:04,652
Speaker 17: still trying to fix it now. Wow, they're halfway through

1783
01:29:04,732 --> 01:29:06,892
Speaker 17: trying to fix it. They've got all the scaffolding up now.

1784
01:29:07,013 --> 01:29:09,973
Speaker 17: So I think guys like that are the ones that

1785
01:29:10,492 --> 01:29:14,932
Speaker 17: get gone after. Yeah, it sort of depends.

1786
01:29:15,812 --> 01:29:18,253
Speaker 2: Did you ever what you're doing, Jamie? Did you ever

1787
01:29:19,612 --> 01:29:23,452
Speaker 2: did you have a So there's obviously public property and

1788
01:29:23,532 --> 01:29:26,053
Speaker 2: this private property. Did you always do public property or

1789
01:29:26,093 --> 01:29:29,132
Speaker 2: were you you didn't care. Wherever you found a wall.

1790
01:29:29,053 --> 01:29:29,372
Speaker 4: You do it.

1791
01:29:30,532 --> 01:29:33,093
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, it didn't matter, just wherever you pick a

1792
01:29:33,133 --> 01:29:36,133
Speaker 17: spot and go for it. I mean, there's there's certain

1793
01:29:36,213 --> 01:29:39,293
Speaker 17: rules to it, like you don't go on people's houses

1794
01:29:39,612 --> 01:29:44,372
Speaker 17: or churches. You sort of tend to stay away from schools,

1795
01:29:44,572 --> 01:29:47,452
Speaker 17: things like that, but everything else is fair game.

1796
01:29:47,973 --> 01:29:50,652
Speaker 2: Did you feel guilty about it at all? Was any

1797
01:29:50,692 --> 01:29:53,253
Speaker 2: part of you that thought, well, this isn't mine, so

1798
01:29:54,452 --> 01:29:57,173
Speaker 2: how come I feel like I'm allowed to put my

1799
01:29:57,333 --> 01:29:59,133
Speaker 2: name on it or my my tag on it?

1800
01:30:00,253 --> 01:30:00,293
Speaker 6: No?

1801
01:30:00,853 --> 01:30:04,772
Speaker 2: No, never, to this day, you don't. You don't feel

1802
01:30:04,812 --> 01:30:06,572
Speaker 2: any remorse or feel like there's anything.

1803
01:30:06,372 --> 01:30:06,652
Speaker 15: Wrong with it?

1804
01:30:07,412 --> 01:30:09,932
Speaker 17: No, no, no, no, that's still don't. I mean when

1805
01:30:09,973 --> 01:30:11,692
Speaker 17: I say it, like you know, I think it came

1806
01:30:11,812 --> 01:30:14,973
Speaker 17: up before you say, oh what if someone tagged on

1807
01:30:15,053 --> 01:30:18,333
Speaker 17: your fence? Wouldn't you feel you know, happy about that?

1808
01:30:19,253 --> 01:30:21,692
Speaker 17: I was like, I just paint over it. In fact,

1809
01:30:21,692 --> 01:30:24,852
Speaker 17: that has happened, and on one place I was living in,

1810
01:30:25,372 --> 01:30:28,652
Speaker 17: it was like a beard brick wall, so to get

1811
01:30:28,692 --> 01:30:30,372
Speaker 17: out of the turps and kind of scrub it off.

1812
01:30:30,612 --> 01:30:32,333
Speaker 17: But you know, I'll get it's just all part of

1813
01:30:32,492 --> 01:30:33,372
Speaker 17: being in a community.

1814
01:30:33,973 --> 01:30:39,253
Speaker 3: If when you're a tagger or graffiting at that time, Jamie,

1815
01:30:39,293 --> 01:30:42,053
Speaker 3: if you had a tag, then the homeowner went and

1816
01:30:42,173 --> 01:30:45,652
Speaker 3: painted it to clear that tag, would that then be

1817
01:30:45,732 --> 01:30:48,052
Speaker 3: a target for more tagging. That's what I always worry

1818
01:30:48,093 --> 01:30:50,293
Speaker 3: about with, you know, if you get hat. I get

1819
01:30:50,333 --> 01:30:53,013
Speaker 3: your point is, hey, not such a big deal, just

1820
01:30:53,093 --> 01:30:56,613
Speaker 3: paint over it. But then if you're targeted as a homeowner,

1821
01:30:57,133 --> 01:30:59,692
Speaker 3: that would be where it becomes problematic, right.

1822
01:30:59,692 --> 01:31:03,133
Speaker 17: No, I don't. There would only be like a few

1823
01:31:03,452 --> 01:31:05,612
Speaker 17: guys that would, you know, be like, oh you painted

1824
01:31:05,652 --> 01:31:08,213
Speaker 17: over me, I'm going to go back and smash it.

1825
01:31:08,612 --> 01:31:09,772
Speaker 17: It's all just part of the game.

1826
01:31:09,853 --> 01:31:09,973
Speaker 1: You know.

1827
01:31:10,173 --> 01:31:11,933
Speaker 17: You expect, like most of your stuff is going to

1828
01:31:11,973 --> 01:31:14,213
Speaker 17: get painted over at some point, if not by the

1829
01:31:14,293 --> 01:31:20,253
Speaker 17: counsel or property owners, even by other taggers. It's just

1830
01:31:20,372 --> 01:31:21,972
Speaker 17: all part of it. So you know, you don't take

1831
01:31:22,013 --> 01:31:24,973
Speaker 17: it personally unless it's other taggers and you get all

1832
01:31:25,013 --> 01:31:27,372
Speaker 17: that wars and that kind of thing. But Jamie, when

1833
01:31:27,372 --> 01:31:30,572
Speaker 17: you as a homeowner, I'd never be you know, worried

1834
01:31:30,812 --> 01:31:31,572
Speaker 17: about that kind of.

1835
01:31:31,612 --> 01:31:35,253
Speaker 2: Thing, now, Jamie, was there of a danger out on

1836
01:31:35,293 --> 01:31:37,293
Speaker 2: the streets, because I imagine if someone came across you

1837
01:31:37,412 --> 01:31:41,572
Speaker 2: tagging their property, they'd be maybe inclined to, you know,

1838
01:31:42,452 --> 01:31:43,812
Speaker 2: rough you up a little bit. Was there any that

1839
01:31:43,893 --> 01:31:44,452
Speaker 2: kind of danger?

1840
01:31:46,572 --> 01:31:47,452
Speaker 17: I was pretty fast.

1841
01:31:49,492 --> 01:31:49,692
Speaker 4: Yep.

1842
01:31:50,013 --> 01:31:52,612
Speaker 2: Oh well, I think. Thank you for your insights into

1843
01:31:52,692 --> 01:31:54,012
Speaker 2: the murky world of graffiti.

1844
01:31:54,253 --> 01:31:56,492
Speaker 3: Just one more question for you, Jamie. Did you or

1845
01:31:56,612 --> 01:31:59,933
Speaker 3: any of your tagging mates get into the graffiti art

1846
01:32:00,053 --> 01:32:01,932
Speaker 3: side of things? Did they transition into that world?

1847
01:32:03,772 --> 01:32:04,532
Speaker 14: Some of them did.

1848
01:32:05,173 --> 01:32:06,852
Speaker 17: Yeah, some of them did, for sure, some of them

1849
01:32:06,933 --> 01:32:10,133
Speaker 17: making a killing from it, right, you know, getting paid

1850
01:32:10,452 --> 01:32:12,492
Speaker 17: for commission murals and things like that.

1851
01:32:13,973 --> 01:32:18,213
Speaker 3: Jamie, thank you very much, appreciate you giving us a call.

1852
01:32:18,412 --> 01:32:21,572
Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1853
01:32:22,093 --> 01:32:24,732
Speaker 3: I've got to say, I don't know if he's getting

1854
01:32:24,812 --> 01:32:26,892
Speaker 3: much support on the text machine.

1855
01:32:27,093 --> 01:32:29,532
Speaker 2: I've got to say that a Jamie's approach to to

1856
01:32:30,572 --> 01:32:33,253
Speaker 2: you know, life is not popular with the texters. No,

1857
01:32:34,333 --> 01:32:37,213
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of squere words coming out

1858
01:32:37,532 --> 01:32:44,253
Speaker 2: here in the text. Jamie, you're a complete flog. What's

1859
01:32:44,293 --> 01:32:44,692
Speaker 2: a flog?

1860
01:32:44,853 --> 01:32:44,893
Speaker 4: No?

1861
01:32:45,053 --> 01:32:48,173
Speaker 2: No, I like that I should probably know that before

1862
01:32:48,173 --> 01:32:50,412
Speaker 2: I read that, right, Oh, eight.

1863
01:32:50,492 --> 01:32:52,532
Speaker 3: Hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

1864
01:32:52,772 --> 01:32:54,212
Speaker 3: is twenty four past three.

1865
01:32:58,492 --> 01:33:01,852
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1866
01:33:01,933 --> 01:33:05,372
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB twenty six past three.

1867
01:33:05,532 --> 01:33:05,812
Speaker 4: Wow.

1868
01:33:06,173 --> 01:33:10,093
Speaker 2: This textas says Jamie, is an entitled go. I wonder

1869
01:33:10,093 --> 01:33:12,732
Speaker 2: if that was Jamie's tag going ad.

1870
01:33:12,652 --> 01:33:14,213
Speaker 3: That would be a great tag to be fair.

1871
01:33:14,333 --> 01:33:16,692
Speaker 2: One An absolute more on Jamie is paint is expensive

1872
01:33:16,732 --> 01:33:18,253
Speaker 2: and the time it takes to clean up the mess

1873
01:33:18,372 --> 01:33:20,612
Speaker 2: is absolutely ridiculous, just for the low lives to write

1874
01:33:20,652 --> 01:33:23,612
Speaker 2: their names and paint. There was a when I was

1875
01:33:23,652 --> 01:33:25,173
Speaker 2: growing up in Duned and there was someone from the

1876
01:33:25,253 --> 01:33:28,012
Speaker 2: DCC that did need city council that didn't quite get

1877
01:33:28,053 --> 01:33:31,012
Speaker 2: their their remit. I guess when it came to covering

1878
01:33:31,053 --> 01:33:33,333
Speaker 2: over tags and squear words that were being painted everywhere,

1879
01:33:34,013 --> 01:33:37,053
Speaker 2: went round and painted it over exactly so you'd see this.

1880
01:33:37,572 --> 01:33:41,253
Speaker 2: There was one particular one in Northeast Valley which someone

1881
01:33:41,253 --> 01:33:44,013
Speaker 2: had written a massive F word and the person from

1882
01:33:44,053 --> 01:33:46,932
Speaker 2: the city council came in and painted over it exactly

1883
01:33:47,133 --> 01:33:49,532
Speaker 2: and brown, so it was exactly the same word there.

1884
01:33:50,213 --> 01:33:52,932
Speaker 2: But and then, and then I started noticing that whoever

1885
01:33:52,973 --> 01:33:55,532
Speaker 2: this guy was from the DCC, either it was a

1886
01:33:55,692 --> 01:33:58,612
Speaker 2: prankster or lazy and couldn't be bother doing a big

1887
01:33:58,652 --> 01:34:01,173
Speaker 2: square on. It was just going around painting over all

1888
01:34:01,213 --> 01:34:01,772
Speaker 2: these tags.

1889
01:34:03,093 --> 01:34:04,732
Speaker 3: How could you take a step back after doing that?

1890
01:34:04,772 --> 01:34:06,372
Speaker 3: And said, yep, job moving on.

1891
01:34:06,532 --> 01:34:08,612
Speaker 2: Well maybe his thing was paint over those tags, eggs,

1892
01:34:08,612 --> 01:34:10,612
Speaker 2: paint over those squerewards. And he goes, Okay, I mean

1893
01:34:10,692 --> 01:34:12,692
Speaker 2: not everyone's the smartest person in the world. It's like

1894
01:34:12,772 --> 01:34:15,412
Speaker 2: once when I was at this I was working at

1895
01:34:15,412 --> 01:34:17,492
Speaker 2: this place and I needed to go and buy a

1896
01:34:17,532 --> 01:34:20,933
Speaker 2: bunch of waters for people. And so I went to

1897
01:34:20,973 --> 01:34:24,652
Speaker 2: buy them and I said, can I get our five pumps? Please?

1898
01:34:25,532 --> 01:34:29,532
Speaker 2: Said two drink minimum? Find the count. I was like, no,

1899
01:34:29,933 --> 01:34:31,492
Speaker 2: these are waters and they go no, I got told

1900
01:34:31,532 --> 01:34:34,612
Speaker 2: to drink minimum. So it's not for water, mate, you've

1901
01:34:34,612 --> 01:34:35,133
Speaker 2: got I was like.

1902
01:34:35,732 --> 01:34:37,053
Speaker 3: This, shame. Where was this?

1903
01:34:37,333 --> 01:34:40,652
Speaker 2: Was this at a supermarket or something a supermarket? No,

1904
01:34:40,692 --> 01:34:41,412
Speaker 2: two drink minimum?

1905
01:34:41,452 --> 01:34:41,812
Speaker 4: Was at a bar?

1906
01:34:42,053 --> 01:34:45,013
Speaker 2: But like the this, I was like this, heaps of

1907
01:34:45,013 --> 01:34:46,772
Speaker 2: water in the tap, Like if I can just go

1908
01:34:46,853 --> 01:34:48,412
Speaker 2: and put my head under the tap and drink as

1909
01:34:48,492 --> 01:34:50,133
Speaker 2: much water as I want. Anyway, you know what I'm saying.

1910
01:34:50,372 --> 01:34:53,333
Speaker 2: Some people get an instruction and they're robotic with it.

1911
01:34:53,652 --> 01:34:56,572
Speaker 2: So paint over the tags, paint over the squewards, painted

1912
01:34:56,692 --> 01:34:57,133
Speaker 2: right over it.

1913
01:34:57,372 --> 01:35:00,412
Speaker 3: Very true, Tony. What's your take on tagging?

1914
01:35:01,933 --> 01:35:05,932
Speaker 18: Good afternoon, guys. Just a little story of something happened

1915
01:35:05,973 --> 01:35:08,173
Speaker 18: and that I saw. But just leading up to that,

1916
01:35:08,412 --> 01:35:12,652
Speaker 18: we were in Europe in twenty ten and Melbourne for

1917
01:35:12,692 --> 01:35:15,612
Speaker 18: a wee while and suburb there Sunshine, which is full

1918
01:35:15,652 --> 01:35:20,452
Speaker 18: of tagging. Parts of southern Paris Athens was terrible and

1919
01:35:20,572 --> 01:35:23,253
Speaker 18: what was really noticeable was in those areas where's a

1920
01:35:23,412 --> 01:35:27,813
Speaker 18: large amount of tagging, there was a lot of antisocial

1921
01:35:27,853 --> 01:35:30,852
Speaker 18: behavior and creeps hanging around, robberies, that sort of thing.

1922
01:35:31,293 --> 01:35:34,852
Speaker 18: There's definitely a commitment because it pulls the community down.

1923
01:35:35,732 --> 01:35:39,732
Speaker 18: And anyway, we were on the and Natalie went to

1924
01:35:39,772 --> 01:35:43,972
Speaker 18: a place called Chinqua Terry. There's villages on the cliffs

1925
01:35:44,053 --> 01:35:45,973
Speaker 18: on the sea. And we arrived on the train in

1926
01:35:46,013 --> 01:35:48,372
Speaker 18: the morning and you walk between the villages. There's no roads,

1927
01:35:49,572 --> 01:35:52,692
Speaker 18: and got off the railway station and here's a crowd

1928
01:35:53,253 --> 01:35:55,932
Speaker 18: down on the to the railway station by a fence.

1929
01:35:56,933 --> 01:36:00,452
Speaker 18: We went down there and there's two teenagers got their

1930
01:36:00,452 --> 01:36:03,893
Speaker 18: wrist tied to the fence there, and there's quite a

1931
01:36:03,933 --> 01:36:05,772
Speaker 18: few locals and a lot of tourists looking at what

1932
01:36:05,893 --> 01:36:08,732
Speaker 18: was going on. And I spoke to the local policeman

1933
01:36:08,732 --> 01:36:10,732
Speaker 18: who turned up and masked them. It turned out they

1934
01:36:10,812 --> 01:36:14,772
Speaker 18: got caught tagging the night before, during the night by

1935
01:36:14,933 --> 01:36:18,532
Speaker 18: the police, and I think they were fifteen or sixteen.

1936
01:36:18,532 --> 01:36:21,972
Speaker 18: They got taken home to their parents and about twenty

1937
01:36:22,053 --> 01:36:26,052
Speaker 18: minutes later about four or five people with balot plazas

1938
01:36:26,093 --> 01:36:29,012
Speaker 18: and brought us that it's on, rushed into the house,

1939
01:36:29,093 --> 01:36:31,892
Speaker 18: grabbed them, took them out to the fence, tied them

1940
01:36:31,973 --> 01:36:36,412
Speaker 18: up and cane them wow and then left them there. Anyway,

1941
01:36:36,492 --> 01:36:40,172
Speaker 18: the cop was telling me that they don't have any tagging,

1942
01:36:40,372 --> 01:36:43,053
Speaker 18: wilful damage or anti social behavior for about nine to

1943
01:36:43,093 --> 01:36:49,053
Speaker 18: eleven months, right, so somebody somebody does something this is

1944
01:36:49,253 --> 01:36:51,812
Speaker 18: this has happened. It's always the locals that do, not

1945
01:36:51,933 --> 01:36:56,492
Speaker 18: the police for anybody else, so he claimed. He said

1946
01:36:56,612 --> 01:36:59,932
Speaker 18: the fear sometimes achieved something. He said, they just don't

1947
01:36:59,973 --> 01:37:03,613
Speaker 18: do it. Because there was part of Italy and outskirts

1948
01:37:03,692 --> 01:37:06,612
Speaker 18: of Roma. It just looked terrible and they were determined

1949
01:37:06,612 --> 01:37:09,452
Speaker 18: they weren't going to let their town. It's about five

1950
01:37:09,492 --> 01:37:11,772
Speaker 18: thousand people. I think by memory, we're going to let

1951
01:37:11,812 --> 01:37:14,652
Speaker 18: it get run down. And I thought, well you might

1952
01:37:14,933 --> 01:37:16,972
Speaker 18: like it. And I'm not a great fan of corporal punishment,

1953
01:37:17,053 --> 01:37:18,253
Speaker 18: but it seemed to be effective.

1954
01:37:19,532 --> 01:37:24,453
Speaker 2: Well, Bella Clavid Kane is coming out of the woodwork. Yeah.

1955
01:37:25,572 --> 01:37:29,133
Speaker 2: The key is them getting the right person, because often

1956
01:37:29,213 --> 01:37:31,772
Speaker 2: with these vigilante movements you end up cating the wrong

1957
01:37:31,812 --> 01:37:33,932
Speaker 2: person because it hasn't been due process in pointing out

1958
01:37:35,492 --> 01:37:37,173
Speaker 2: and that could be quite fun from Tom, you wanted

1959
01:37:37,213 --> 01:37:39,812
Speaker 2: to cane pork and you end up cane and Gonad.

1960
01:37:40,933 --> 01:37:42,013
Speaker 2: Gonad's only done two.

1961
01:37:43,772 --> 01:37:45,972
Speaker 3: A couple of teaks to wrap this one up. Guys,

1962
01:37:46,053 --> 01:37:48,333
Speaker 3: that previous quarter was a complete idiot. Thought when he

1963
01:37:48,452 --> 01:37:50,692
Speaker 3: was talking of the World Cup he was going to

1964
01:37:50,812 --> 01:37:54,293
Speaker 3: say once clean. He realized and thought he would stop. Nope,

1965
01:37:54,333 --> 01:37:57,932
Speaker 3: he felt bad. His crap words were gone, no remorse

1966
01:37:58,013 --> 01:37:58,812
Speaker 3: and it's not art.

1967
01:37:59,412 --> 01:38:00,053
Speaker 11: Get rid of him.

1968
01:38:00,333 --> 01:38:01,013
Speaker 3: He's long gone now.

1969
01:38:01,173 --> 01:38:03,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was for that was Jamie, not Tony.

1970
01:38:06,692 --> 01:38:08,412
Speaker 2: I think graffiti is awful. I had to paint my

1971
01:38:08,492 --> 01:38:10,932
Speaker 2: fence too many times and when my car got done,

1972
01:38:11,213 --> 01:38:13,612
Speaker 2: then that's when I put security cameras up disgusting. Who

1973
01:38:13,652 --> 01:38:16,333
Speaker 2: would tag a car? I mean, you know, whatever you

1974
01:38:16,412 --> 01:38:19,692
Speaker 2: think about tagging and graffiti and ninety nine percent of

1975
01:38:19,732 --> 01:38:21,932
Speaker 2: the texts and not happy with it, but you would

1976
01:38:21,973 --> 01:38:25,293
Speaker 2: have to be an absolute next level dirt bag to

1977
01:38:25,412 --> 01:38:26,253
Speaker 2: tag someone's car.

1978
01:38:26,452 --> 01:38:29,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's expensive. Painting your fence you arguably it's

1979
01:38:29,572 --> 01:38:32,333
Speaker 3: a little bit of money, but not as egregious as

1980
01:38:32,652 --> 01:38:33,173
Speaker 3: tagging a car.

1981
01:38:33,372 --> 01:38:35,532
Speaker 2: I've got a graffiti removal van on speed dial, and

1982
01:38:35,572 --> 01:38:37,532
Speaker 2: when I see any when I drive around, I call

1983
01:38:37,612 --> 01:38:39,253
Speaker 2: him and he gets it done in a day or two.

1984
01:38:39,572 --> 01:38:42,092
Speaker 2: It must be a council thing. The fastest it's moved,

1985
01:38:42,612 --> 01:38:45,293
Speaker 2: the better they want fame. So talking about this guy

1986
01:38:45,412 --> 01:38:47,052
Speaker 2: is rewarding him, no talent required.

1987
01:38:47,173 --> 01:38:50,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well that was a great discussion. And if

1988
01:38:50,652 --> 01:38:52,692
Speaker 3: you know where Pork is, tell him to give us

1989
01:38:52,692 --> 01:38:55,172
Speaker 3: a buzz. We're still really keen to have a chattol

1990
01:38:55,213 --> 01:38:57,892
Speaker 3: wherever he may be in the world. Pork, if you're listening, yeah,

1991
01:38:58,253 --> 01:39:02,173
Speaker 3: all right, oh one hundred eighteen and eighty, And don't

1992
01:39:02,253 --> 01:39:03,772
Speaker 3: keep doing what you're doing because a lot of people

1993
01:39:03,812 --> 01:39:05,692
Speaker 3: don't like it. But I imagine that's not going to

1994
01:39:05,732 --> 01:39:06,053
Speaker 3: stop you.

1995
01:39:06,253 --> 01:39:06,412
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1996
01:39:06,412 --> 01:39:08,093
Speaker 2: Well, there's someone that's threatened to come at you with

1997
01:39:08,772 --> 01:39:11,932
Speaker 2: a strip of bacon and give you one hundred lashings.

1998
01:39:12,692 --> 01:39:14,412
Speaker 2: So it's vigilantes out there.

1999
01:39:14,732 --> 01:39:18,213
Speaker 3: Right coming up. We got the headlines and then we're

2000
01:39:18,253 --> 01:39:20,532
Speaker 3: going to leave the original topic on the table. We

2001
01:39:20,652 --> 01:39:23,213
Speaker 3: were going to talk about passports, but so many people

2002
01:39:23,372 --> 01:39:26,213
Speaker 3: came at you for what you did, yeah, that we

2003
01:39:26,372 --> 01:39:27,732
Speaker 3: need to erit some more.

2004
01:39:28,013 --> 01:39:30,692
Speaker 2: I consider myself a hero for what I did, but

2005
01:39:30,772 --> 01:39:33,452
Speaker 2: I'm being painted as a villain and I'll share the

2006
01:39:33,532 --> 01:39:40,452
Speaker 2: details of what happened again. Okay, you talk.

2007
01:39:40,333 --> 01:39:44,132
Speaker 10: Said be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

2008
01:39:44,213 --> 01:39:48,213
Speaker 10: with a blue bubble. Today's debate on suspending Taparty Mari

2009
01:39:48,532 --> 01:39:53,532
Speaker 10: MPs has been unexpectedly adjourned about twenty minutes after beginning.

2010
01:39:53,973 --> 01:39:56,213
Speaker 10: The House has agreed to a government motion to push

2011
01:39:56,293 --> 01:39:59,452
Speaker 10: the debate to a later date to allow Thursday's budget

2012
01:39:59,532 --> 01:40:02,613
Speaker 10: to be the focus of the week. The opposition opposed

2013
01:40:02,732 --> 01:40:06,812
Speaker 10: the proposal, and the Speaker has ejected Minister Winston Peters

2014
01:40:06,853 --> 01:40:09,732
Speaker 10: from the House over a ques and deemed out of order.

2015
01:40:10,692 --> 01:40:13,612
Speaker 10: Kee We Rail and the district Council are installing fences

2016
01:40:13,732 --> 01:40:16,932
Speaker 10: and triming or removing trees near the Matamatha rail line

2017
01:40:17,253 --> 01:40:20,293
Speaker 10: where a train hit and killed a schoolgirl. In March,

2018
01:40:21,372 --> 01:40:24,732
Speaker 10: a drug safety alert SPEN issued for Dunedin with warnings

2019
01:40:24,812 --> 01:40:28,372
Speaker 10: cocaine sold in the city could contain a potentially fatal

2020
01:40:28,452 --> 01:40:33,412
Speaker 10: and esthetic tetra cane. South Auckland self service petrol station

2021
01:40:34,053 --> 01:40:37,932
Speaker 10: ug Waikaraka has taken the crown for selling the country's

2022
01:40:38,093 --> 01:40:42,253
Speaker 10: cheapest fuel, offering ninety one petrol for just under two dollars.

2023
01:40:42,372 --> 01:40:46,893
Speaker 10: Thirty Mini strokes can have major consequences. Here's how to

2024
01:40:46,973 --> 01:40:49,812
Speaker 10: spot one and what to do next. See more at

2025
01:40:49,933 --> 01:40:52,972
Speaker 10: ends in Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2026
01:40:53,253 --> 01:40:55,612
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. Right, so we're going to

2027
01:40:55,692 --> 01:40:58,772
Speaker 3: chat about an action that Matt's took.

2028
01:40:59,013 --> 01:41:00,772
Speaker 2: Give us this morning. Before we do that, can I

2029
01:41:00,933 --> 01:41:03,692
Speaker 2: just just mention something that I'm doing this week?

2030
01:41:03,812 --> 01:41:04,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, pleasure yep.

2031
01:41:04,772 --> 01:41:07,093
Speaker 2: And it's not for New Zealand Music Month, although it

2032
01:41:07,213 --> 01:41:10,612
Speaker 2: is New Zealand Music Month. But what I want to

2033
01:41:10,652 --> 01:41:13,812
Speaker 2: do this week is celebrate one artist all week because

2034
01:41:13,812 --> 01:41:18,452
Speaker 2: I bought this new album from a band called Voom,

2035
01:41:18,572 --> 01:41:21,253
Speaker 2: great Kiwi band called Voom. They've got a new album

2036
01:41:21,293 --> 01:41:24,372
Speaker 2: out called Something Good. Is happening and I bought it

2037
01:41:24,452 --> 01:41:27,612
Speaker 2: on final it's available. It's been over a decade in

2038
01:41:27,612 --> 01:41:29,732
Speaker 2: the making. This album the New Zealand's best band if

2039
01:41:29,772 --> 01:41:32,173
Speaker 2: you ask me so. At the end of each show

2040
01:41:32,213 --> 01:41:34,412
Speaker 2: this week, instead of highlighting a lot of artists, I'm

2041
01:41:34,452 --> 01:41:36,293
Speaker 2: just going to play a song from them at the

2042
01:41:36,412 --> 01:41:40,652
Speaker 2: end of each show this week, again hyper focusing on

2043
01:41:40,772 --> 01:41:44,372
Speaker 2: one artist and not because they're in New Zealand artists,

2044
01:41:44,372 --> 01:41:46,892
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of New Zealand artists it's

2045
01:41:47,013 --> 01:41:49,612
Speaker 2: kind of to say that their Kiwi music is kind

2046
01:41:49,612 --> 01:41:53,532
Speaker 2: of undercutting them. They're great internationally. There is a good

2047
01:41:53,612 --> 01:41:57,452
Speaker 2: band could be anywhere in the world. It's not you

2048
01:41:57,492 --> 01:41:59,652
Speaker 2: don't just have to promote them because they're New Zealand.

2049
01:41:59,732 --> 01:42:00,732
Speaker 2: In fact, that's irrelevant.

2050
01:42:01,213 --> 01:42:04,133
Speaker 3: Great music, right, So Christen this Voom week anyway, so

2051
01:42:04,173 --> 01:42:04,932
Speaker 3: I look forward.

2052
01:42:04,692 --> 01:42:06,412
Speaker 2: To I just wanted to say that, just wanted to

2053
01:42:06,532 --> 01:42:08,532
Speaker 2: tease that I'm doing that in a little bit. Then

2054
01:42:08,612 --> 01:42:10,892
Speaker 2: you were talking about okay this because I just bought

2055
01:42:10,893 --> 01:42:12,173
Speaker 2: this up to the ry aside at the start of

2056
01:42:12,213 --> 01:42:15,333
Speaker 2: the show and the text machine exploded with abuse certainly,

2057
01:42:15,652 --> 01:42:17,692
Speaker 2: and I think it's a deeper question that we're looking

2058
01:42:17,772 --> 01:42:22,492
Speaker 2: at here. And what happened, right was, there's been this

2059
01:42:22,692 --> 01:42:25,452
Speaker 2: weird smell in our laundry, okay, and I've been trying

2060
01:42:25,452 --> 01:42:27,492
Speaker 2: to work out what it was. I took the washing

2061
01:42:27,532 --> 01:42:29,093
Speaker 2: machine out and took all the bits and cleaned it

2062
01:42:29,133 --> 01:42:30,972
Speaker 2: all out, and found out it wasn't the washing machine.

2063
01:42:30,973 --> 01:42:33,612
Speaker 2: I did the same with the dryer. I looked about everywhere.

2064
01:42:33,612 --> 01:42:35,133
Speaker 2: I drilled a little hole to see if there was

2065
01:42:35,213 --> 01:42:37,692
Speaker 2: black mold in somewhere. I did just all this thinking

2066
01:42:37,732 --> 01:42:39,293
Speaker 2: where the smell could be, and it was driving me crazy.

2067
01:42:39,293 --> 01:42:42,812
Speaker 2: And then I woke up this morning and overnight the

2068
01:42:42,893 --> 01:42:45,093
Speaker 2: solution had come to me a moment of clarity. I

2069
01:42:45,173 --> 01:42:47,213
Speaker 2: worked out that the only place that the smell could

2070
01:42:47,213 --> 01:42:50,213
Speaker 2: be coming through is the drain that comes up that

2071
01:42:50,333 --> 01:42:51,892
Speaker 2: you put the washing machine in, you know, you put

2072
01:42:51,893 --> 01:42:52,972
Speaker 2: the little hock and it goes.

2073
01:42:52,853 --> 01:42:53,452
Speaker 3: Down right yep.

2074
01:42:53,492 --> 01:42:55,213
Speaker 2: And I worked it out, and I go, well, outside,

2075
01:42:55,893 --> 01:42:58,692
Speaker 2: there must be that must be creating the terrible smell

2076
01:42:58,732 --> 01:42:59,532
Speaker 2: in the outside drain.

2077
01:42:59,732 --> 01:42:59,852
Speaker 15: Right.

2078
01:43:00,093 --> 01:43:01,772
Speaker 2: So I woke up all cock of the hoop. I

2079
01:43:01,812 --> 01:43:04,372
Speaker 2: couldn't believe. I was so happy, like a little bunny.

2080
01:43:04,412 --> 01:43:07,093
Speaker 2: I bounced up the stairs to get the right utensils

2081
01:43:07,173 --> 01:43:10,293
Speaker 2: to fix the problem. Out, and so I went into

2082
01:43:10,333 --> 01:43:12,732
Speaker 2: the kitchen and I got a variety of things out

2083
01:43:12,772 --> 01:43:17,972
Speaker 2: of the kitchen, spatchelor, this little coffee kind of thing, spoon,

2084
01:43:18,093 --> 01:43:23,133
Speaker 2: some tea spoons, a number of utensils, a soup ladle,

2085
01:43:23,572 --> 01:43:25,492
Speaker 2: and I went back down. I went outside, and I

2086
01:43:25,532 --> 01:43:29,612
Speaker 2: got into the into the drain and a little bit

2087
01:43:29,612 --> 01:43:33,972
Speaker 2: of the sewage area as well, and I used those

2088
01:43:34,093 --> 01:43:37,932
Speaker 2: utensils to clean everything out and cleaned it. And then

2089
01:43:37,973 --> 01:43:40,133
Speaker 2: I cleaned the whole area and I put the drain

2090
01:43:40,253 --> 01:43:44,972
Speaker 2: back on, and I walked back in and I stood

2091
01:43:45,093 --> 01:43:47,253
Speaker 2: up with the utensils, and that's when I got caught.

2092
01:43:47,492 --> 01:43:49,772
Speaker 2: And I thought I was going to be celebrated. I

2093
01:43:49,853 --> 01:43:51,812
Speaker 2: thought that there was going to be a ticketad parade

2094
01:43:51,853 --> 01:43:54,892
Speaker 2: around the house for me for solving this complicated problem

2095
01:43:55,133 --> 01:43:57,532
Speaker 2: without having to bring a plumber or a drainage.

2096
01:43:57,772 --> 01:44:01,253
Speaker 3: Champagne would be popped, the music would start, trumpets would sound.

2097
01:44:01,532 --> 01:44:06,253
Speaker 2: But then I got accused of using kitchen tensils inappropriately

2098
01:44:06,492 --> 01:44:09,732
Speaker 2: and accused of being a disgusting And even though I

2099
01:44:09,853 --> 01:44:12,933
Speaker 2: see it that I will now boil these kitchen utensils

2100
01:44:13,412 --> 01:44:16,572
Speaker 2: in the pot on the oven, and that works for surgeons.

2101
01:44:16,652 --> 01:44:21,333
Speaker 2: Surgeons boiled utensils they boil, boil up their scalpels, and

2102
01:44:21,492 --> 01:44:24,413
Speaker 2: use them again, that all the germs will be destroyed, sanitized,

2103
01:44:24,772 --> 01:44:28,293
Speaker 2: absolutely sanitized. And yet now I'm being told that those

2104
01:44:28,412 --> 01:44:31,053
Speaker 2: utensils can never be used again. So am I a

2105
01:44:31,133 --> 01:44:35,812
Speaker 2: hero or a villain? Because who cares if the utensils

2106
01:44:35,893 --> 01:44:39,532
Speaker 2: have been involved in some disgusting sewergy stuff, if there's

2107
01:44:39,612 --> 01:44:41,213
Speaker 2: none of the residues left on them.

2108
01:44:41,933 --> 01:44:44,053
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. You know, I'm torn

2109
01:44:44,133 --> 01:44:46,732
Speaker 3: on this because I take my head off to you

2110
01:44:46,853 --> 01:44:49,652
Speaker 3: by being resourceful, and you've shown me one of the

2111
01:44:49,893 --> 01:44:52,892
Speaker 3: instruments that you use, one of the utensils. I pulled

2112
01:44:52,933 --> 01:44:55,452
Speaker 3: it up. This is a custom would handled coffee scoop.

2113
01:44:55,612 --> 01:44:58,412
Speaker 3: It's got some good length and it is a perfect

2114
01:44:58,492 --> 01:45:01,213
Speaker 3: size for a drain. So I look at that and think, well, chosen,

2115
01:45:01,293 --> 01:45:03,372
Speaker 3: that's a great tool that you know you couldn't go

2116
01:45:03,452 --> 01:45:04,692
Speaker 3: to butings and get something better than that.

2117
01:45:04,812 --> 01:45:05,972
Speaker 4: Ye. Perfect.

2118
01:45:06,013 --> 01:45:07,892
Speaker 2: There's nothing in my toolbox, you know. I can't put

2119
01:45:07,933 --> 01:45:09,933
Speaker 2: a screwge down there and do that. Yeah, So you

2120
01:45:10,173 --> 01:45:13,253
Speaker 2: use the tools that are available to you. So this

2121
01:45:13,412 --> 01:45:17,572
Speaker 2: person here says hero, no villain, no muppet.

2122
01:45:17,652 --> 01:45:20,372
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, well, that is where I would sit on it,

2123
01:45:20,532 --> 01:45:22,253
Speaker 3: that I see what you were trying to do. But

2124
01:45:22,372 --> 01:45:25,652
Speaker 3: the very fact that you allowed Tracy to see that

2125
01:45:25,732 --> 01:45:28,173
Speaker 3: you were using those utensils, that's where you went wrong.

2126
01:45:28,253 --> 01:45:29,852
Speaker 2: I didn't allow her to see how she caught me.

2127
01:45:30,612 --> 01:45:32,692
Speaker 2: My plan was to use them and then just have

2128
01:45:32,812 --> 01:45:34,892
Speaker 2: them in the dishwasher, and.

2129
01:45:34,933 --> 01:45:36,173
Speaker 3: That's what most fellows would have done.

2130
01:45:36,213 --> 01:45:38,372
Speaker 2: But can you see the wider issue here. It's an

2131
01:45:38,412 --> 01:45:42,333
Speaker 2: issue between logic and emotion because logically, the fact that

2132
01:45:42,412 --> 01:45:46,012
Speaker 2: they've been down the drain is absolutely irrelevant because they'll

2133
01:45:46,053 --> 01:45:49,213
Speaker 2: be sterilized in the pot. Right, Yeah, there's no toxoplasmosis,

2134
01:45:49,253 --> 01:45:51,572
Speaker 2: as we talked about for an hour and twenty minutes yesterday,

2135
01:45:52,133 --> 01:45:55,692
Speaker 2: because they've been clean. Now, just the emotion of it

2136
01:45:55,893 --> 01:46:02,053
Speaker 2: is that now you're running a poostpoon, but it's not

2137
01:46:02,133 --> 01:46:03,333
Speaker 2: a poostpoon. It's been clean.

2138
01:46:03,532 --> 01:46:06,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, but your perspective is tainted by the very good

2139
01:46:06,253 --> 01:46:08,253
Speaker 3: job that you did. So you had the caveman brain

2140
01:46:08,452 --> 01:46:11,772
Speaker 3: going and look at me man good till solved it. Yeah,

2141
01:46:12,133 --> 01:46:14,892
Speaker 3: But if even if I saw you using those utensils,

2142
01:46:14,933 --> 01:46:16,652
Speaker 3: I'd look at that, even though I can see you

2143
01:46:16,732 --> 01:46:18,893
Speaker 3: did a good job, they're very resourceful. You solved a

2144
01:46:18,973 --> 01:46:21,572
Speaker 3: problem and you found the tools to get the job done.

2145
01:46:21,973 --> 01:46:23,692
Speaker 3: I would still look at those utensils and say, no,

2146
01:46:23,973 --> 01:46:26,293
Speaker 3: Matt used that to dig out some sort of sewerage,

2147
01:46:26,372 --> 01:46:28,612
Speaker 3: and I don't want to see those utensils ever again.

2148
01:46:28,853 --> 01:46:30,492
Speaker 2: Oh well, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I

2149
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Speaker 2: think there's a deeper issue here.

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Speaker 3: There certainly is. Let's get into it. It is eighteen

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Speaker 3: to four.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams.

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Speaker 1: Afternoons us talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be it is a quarter to four. So Matt

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01:46:46,412 --> 01:46:49,652
Speaker 3: used some kitchen utensils to solve a sewage problem. He

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01:46:49,732 --> 01:46:52,253
Speaker 3: headed his home with the proviso that when he was

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01:46:52,333 --> 01:46:54,572
Speaker 3: caught by his lovely partner, he said, no worries, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to disinfect these utensils by boiling the heck out

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Speaker 3: of them like a susion would do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So they're for fine. It's just an emotional problem

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01:47:01,452 --> 01:47:06,133
Speaker 2: now because you're you're just equating that particular spoon with

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01:47:06,253 --> 01:47:07,333
Speaker 2: when I had it in the gray.

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01:47:07,492 --> 01:47:10,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's the men read that wasn't it now it's.

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Speaker 2: Now been or will be just bloody boiled? Yeah, doesn't

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Speaker 2: ready to guanitize completely stiff your thoughts on this key

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Speaker 2: issue for Kiwi's.

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Speaker 19: I I would probably use the utensils again, and this

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01:47:27,933 --> 01:47:31,253
Speaker 19: would relate to my story. This is over ten years

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Speaker 19: ago and we had our son had had appendicitis, and

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01:47:38,532 --> 01:47:41,452
Speaker 19: then after he'd had that and been in hospital and everything,

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01:47:41,492 --> 01:47:44,013
Speaker 19: we went away for a few weeks and when we

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01:47:44,093 --> 01:47:47,333
Speaker 19: came back, I thought I would vacuum the house and

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Speaker 19: I thought the vacuum planner stinks, must have got a

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Speaker 19: mouse in there or something was revolting, and anyway, I

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Speaker 19: pointed it out and I said to my husband that

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Speaker 19: it had smelt really bad, and he said, oh yeah,

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Speaker 19: I vacuumed up his vomit on.

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Speaker 9: The night he had.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, And he told me, look, that's a Muppet show, right.

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Speaker 3: There's no you can't vacuum clean up there. Even though

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that, there's no cleaning.

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Speaker 19: He thought that he was like he felt a bit

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Speaker 19: aggrieved that I was annoyed because he was the one

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Speaker 19: that had got up in the night and vacuumed up.

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Speaker 2: From it and actually that's true.

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Speaker 15: He did.

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Speaker 3: He did do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, he may not have done it perfectly, but

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Speaker 2: he did do it.

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01:48:31,692 --> 01:48:34,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, he solved a problem. He destroyed the cleaner, but

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Speaker 3: he solved the problem.

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Speaker 19: But he didn't destroy it.

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Speaker 6: And we still you.

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01:48:42,372 --> 01:48:45,893
Speaker 2: So stiff you would be comfortable to continue using that

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01:48:46,013 --> 01:48:48,173
Speaker 2: soup ladle that I had down the sewing.

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Speaker 19: Definitely, because you're especially putting it through schwasher to.

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Speaker 2: Be very sterile, even more than that stuff. I'm boiling

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Speaker 2: it up on a pot. Well, I've said I'm gonna anyway.

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01:48:58,812 --> 01:49:01,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one question for you, sorry, just before we

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01:49:01,933 --> 01:49:05,812
Speaker 3: get to some texts. Is the kitchen utensils plastic or

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Speaker 3: stainless steel?

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01:49:07,652 --> 01:49:08,333
Speaker 2: Stainless steel?

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01:49:08,732 --> 01:49:13,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I thought I had you there. Okay, classic, I.

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01:49:13,532 --> 01:49:16,052
Speaker 2: Guess like a bail some plastic muppet for not seeing

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01:49:16,133 --> 01:49:19,213
Speaker 2: how a woman would react. Yeah, gotcha, muppet two for

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01:49:19,293 --> 01:49:19,892
Speaker 2: being caught.

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01:49:19,812 --> 01:49:21,293
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, well done, right, I agree.

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Speaker 2: Haha, you fool. The smell always comes from the drain.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, no worries. Wash the stuff and you'll be right.

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01:49:27,532 --> 01:49:27,892
Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I did feel like a fool that it took

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01:49:29,572 --> 01:49:31,652
Speaker 2: me so long to think that maybe the stinky thing

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01:49:32,053 --> 01:49:34,772
Speaker 2: would be the drain, Trevor, your thoughts on.

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01:49:34,853 --> 01:49:37,732
Speaker 8: This you're there?

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01:49:38,013 --> 01:49:41,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha? Hero or villain?

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01:49:43,253 --> 01:49:49,732
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually think Met's a genius, thank you. The

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01:49:49,853 --> 01:49:53,213
Speaker 4: reason being because I mean, what, what's your cumulative costs

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01:49:53,253 --> 01:49:55,013
Speaker 4: of the utensils that you x to use?

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01:49:55,572 --> 01:49:57,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a good point. I tried I

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01:49:57,452 --> 01:50:01,652
Speaker 2: think probably four or five utensils before I discovered the

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01:50:01,772 --> 01:50:05,932
Speaker 2: perfect coffee scoop that fit right down there and pulled

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01:50:05,973 --> 01:50:09,652
Speaker 2: the crap out. So you know, I reckon what minimum

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01:50:09,692 --> 01:50:12,213
Speaker 2: twenty bucks utensils? There's probably at least one hundred hundred,

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01:50:12,293 --> 01:50:14,932
Speaker 2: maybe two hundred dollars worth of utensils there that I soiled.

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Speaker 8: Two hundred dollars?

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01:50:18,253 --> 01:50:20,972
Speaker 14: Well, what would it have got to get a tradesman out?

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01:50:22,053 --> 01:50:24,052
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't know how much, maybe one hundred

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01:50:24,093 --> 01:50:24,372
Speaker 2: and fifty.

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01:50:26,973 --> 01:50:28,972
Speaker 3: You've changed your mind already having your tree v Yeah,

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01:50:28,973 --> 01:50:30,412
Speaker 3: you started off saying you're a genius.

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01:50:31,452 --> 01:50:33,612
Speaker 4: Well, I mean you you've probably done yourself up in

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01:50:33,772 --> 01:50:35,092
Speaker 4: like fifty bucks, but how.

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01:50:34,973 --> 01:50:36,412
Speaker 15: You know what, and there's your tooth?

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01:50:37,053 --> 01:50:39,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then probably I mean I.

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01:50:39,572 --> 01:50:41,732
Speaker 15: Probably would have done exactly the same thing, to be fair.

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01:50:41,933 --> 01:50:44,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the thing is the pride I felt myself

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01:50:44,732 --> 01:50:46,893
Speaker 2: for solving a problem. And that's and that's why I

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01:50:46,973 --> 01:50:49,213
Speaker 2: was a little bit aggrieved when I felt like I

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Speaker 2: was going to be you know, lauded as a hero,

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01:50:51,612 --> 01:50:55,253
Speaker 2: hero and carried around the house on my partner's shoulders,

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01:50:55,333 --> 01:50:57,933
Speaker 2: celebrating me for solving this problem. Yeah, but instead I

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01:50:58,053 --> 01:51:01,852
Speaker 2: was painted as a villain for sticking soup blade or

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01:51:01,893 --> 01:51:03,572
Speaker 2: down the sewer point.

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01:51:05,053 --> 01:51:07,972
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:51:08,093 --> 01:51:10,772
Speaker 2: Has to be steal only any other materials involved will

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01:51:10,772 --> 01:51:12,652
Speaker 2: need to be disposed of. That's from James. And look,

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01:51:12,692 --> 01:51:14,053
Speaker 2: I am aware that we spent the whole show you

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01:51:14,093 --> 01:51:15,812
Speaker 2: staday talking about toxoplasmosis.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, right, we're going to take a few more

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01:51:18,532 --> 01:51:20,412
Speaker 3: calls very shortly. It is eleven or four.

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01:51:21,692 --> 01:51:25,053
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:51:25,412 --> 01:51:29,213
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used

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01:51:29,253 --> 01:51:32,653
Speaker 1: talk ZEDB on Newstalgs EDB afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It is eight to four and we have been talking

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01:51:35,612 --> 01:51:39,452
Speaker 3: about real life situations here. This is I think a

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01:51:39,572 --> 01:51:42,452
Speaker 3: situation that many households would have found themselves in.

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01:51:42,612 --> 01:51:46,333
Speaker 2: It's logic versus emotions. I use some kitchen new sentrals

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01:51:46,372 --> 01:51:49,412
Speaker 2: to unblock a drain. There might have been look maybe swergy,

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01:51:50,532 --> 01:51:53,133
Speaker 2: but then I am going to sterilize the utensils, So

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01:51:53,253 --> 01:51:56,093
Speaker 2: I think that's fine. Brett disagrees. I listen to you

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01:51:56,173 --> 01:51:58,213
Speaker 2: guys every day and normally love it today right now,

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01:51:58,572 --> 01:52:00,773
Speaker 2: can't wait till you get off the air. That's just disgusting.

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01:52:00,933 --> 01:52:02,133
Speaker 3: So I'm a villain.

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Speaker 2: Villain twice now, Maureen, your thoughts, Ah, Yes.

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Speaker 20: You're a twot man, really are What do you use

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01:52:11,412 --> 01:52:15,013
Speaker 20: your you know, your dish for your dish brush to

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01:52:15,093 --> 01:52:15,892
Speaker 20: clean the toilet?

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01:52:16,532 --> 01:52:16,572
Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 20: And then think you could boil it up and it

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01:52:19,253 --> 01:52:19,932
Speaker 20: would be all right?

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01:52:20,692 --> 01:52:23,333
Speaker 2: No, for some reason, some reason, I wouldn't do that. No,

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01:52:23,452 --> 01:52:24,372
Speaker 2: I think that's a good point.

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01:52:24,492 --> 01:52:26,893
Speaker 3: Good yeah, okay, and also.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, no, I'm I'm with Tracy on that. But it's

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01:52:31,173 --> 01:52:34,572
Speaker 20: probably something that my pubby would do, but he might

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01:52:34,692 --> 01:52:38,053
Speaker 20: not get caught. I don't know, but yeah, and I

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01:52:38,133 --> 01:52:40,013
Speaker 20: will never look at a soup lade all the.

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01:52:40,093 --> 01:52:41,133
Speaker 16: Same way correctly.

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Speaker 2: Well, apologies for that, Mareen, but there's so much for

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01:52:43,372 --> 01:52:43,692
Speaker 2: your call.

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01:52:43,933 --> 01:52:46,732
Speaker 3: Do you at least give a Maureen kudos for you know,

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01:52:46,732 --> 01:52:48,293
Speaker 3: I had a look at the tool that he found,

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01:52:48,532 --> 01:52:50,732
Speaker 3: and it was a coffee scoop and it was perfect.

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01:52:50,772 --> 01:52:52,933
Speaker 3: So a little bit of kudos for that, surely.

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01:52:53,933 --> 01:52:56,692
Speaker 20: Well maybe one out of ten for that.

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Speaker 2: That's about the best score I've got from this so far.

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01:53:00,013 --> 01:53:02,613
Speaker 2: Moreene straight in the bin. Can't use it again, You're disgusting.

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01:53:02,692 --> 01:53:04,812
Speaker 2: No minimum charge, he goes someone on my side. No

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01:53:05,013 --> 01:53:07,093
Speaker 2: minimum charge. A call out for a plumber would be

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01:53:07,133 --> 01:53:09,053
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty dollars. You're winning, mate.

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01:53:09,093 --> 01:53:09,972
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, all right.

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01:53:11,412 --> 01:53:13,732
Speaker 2: Met you are a villain because of how much of

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01:53:13,812 --> 01:53:16,093
Speaker 2: a down to earth man you talk about. You don't

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01:53:16,133 --> 01:53:18,372
Speaker 2: know you don't own any tools in the garage, or

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01:53:18,412 --> 01:53:21,452
Speaker 2: you do even have a garage. There's no tool and

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01:53:21,652 --> 01:53:24,012
Speaker 2: there's no screwdriver that would do it. I can't shove

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01:53:24,053 --> 01:53:25,093
Speaker 2: a power drill down there.

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01:53:25,133 --> 01:53:27,013
Speaker 3: You can't get the handsaw, and you know.

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01:53:27,253 --> 01:53:28,732
Speaker 2: You know I can't get my level down there.

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01:53:29,973 --> 01:53:30,293
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm defending the only this is the only time when

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01:53:33,492 --> 01:53:35,093
Speaker 2: this tool would work. And you know, when saying it

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01:53:35,213 --> 01:53:37,213
Speaker 2: pulls some draino down there or some bleach down there,

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01:53:37,213 --> 01:53:39,652
Speaker 2: you're not understanding the situation. I had the grit that

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01:53:39,732 --> 01:53:42,133
Speaker 2: had come out of some look. To be fair, I

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01:53:42,333 --> 01:53:44,253
Speaker 2: had been cutting that a lot of wood chip had

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Speaker 2: gone down there from where I'd been cutting something else up,

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01:53:46,452 --> 01:53:47,892
Speaker 2: and I may have caused the problem that I had

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01:53:47,933 --> 01:53:50,372
Speaker 2: to solve. But that's that's that's the issue.

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01:53:50,492 --> 01:53:52,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think what was it fifty to fifty

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01:53:53,013 --> 01:53:53,813
Speaker 3: on heroin?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? All right, right, I'll take that anyway. Thank you

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Speaker 2: to all your great New Zealanders for listening to the show.

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Speaker 2: We've had a great time. Hope you have. The met

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Speaker 2: Entile Afternoons podcast will be out in about an hour.

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Speaker 2: If you missed any of our excellent chats on the

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Speaker 2: of pork, or where you shouldn't shouldn't put kitchen utensils,

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