1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Right, are you convinced by Raiser yet, because I feel 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: like you should be, because I think what Raisers managed 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: to do on this Northern Tour is pretty impressive. If 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: the All Blacks beat Italy this weekend, which apparently the 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Ginner apparently that's a foregone conclusions account, that is a win. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: If they beat Italy this weekend, then we can say 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: that the All Blacks came within one point of a 8 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: clean sweep of the Northern Tour. Now why that is 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: special is because we haven't done a clean sweep of 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: the Northern Tour since twenty seventeen. Now, obviously we haven't 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: done at this time. I'm come within one point, but 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: a one point is not bad because you have to 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 1: think about where we're at with the squad. Right, this 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: is RAS's first year. He took over a team that 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: frankly sucked a lot of the time, didn't they. I mean, 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: don't forget why we wanted to get rid of Fozzy 17 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: because these guys sucked. The All Blacks were all over 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: the show. They lost a series at home to the Irish, 19 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: they got smashed by the spring Box twenty six ten. 20 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: And that's not even to mention the worst one, which 21 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: was the Twickenham disaster where the box got smacked smacked 22 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: US thirty five seven when that's huge. That hurts, didn't it. 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: So it's actually not bad to turn those performances into 24 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: a nearly clean sweep of the Northern Tour in just 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: one year now. I mean, looks, let's not pretend that 26 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: it's perfect out there, because even the match that we 27 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: watched this weekend was at times, frankly a little irritating, 28 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: wasn't it, if not horrifying. I mean, the discipline's a 29 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: major problem. Giving away three pointers all the time is 30 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: not ideal. There's that weird call to try for two 31 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: penalties in the last what was it, six minutes of 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: the game or something like that, when they were obviously 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: they should have gone for a try and then they 34 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: would have won. I mean, there was obviously the wrong 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: call to make. And we're not even talking, by the way. 36 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about wins. But they're not massive convincing margins, 37 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: are they. But let's be fair. I mean, think of 38 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: any other discipline out there right, Think of a business, 39 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: for example, where a CEO takes over. You don't expect 40 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: perfection in the first year. You don't expect a CEO 41 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: taking over a business to suddenly turn an absolute stinker 42 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: into a blind do you. You just want to see 43 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: that it's headed in the right direction. You're getting some improvement, 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: and I think we've got it. I think we can say, 45 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: short of something horrible happening this weekend, raise has proven himself. 46 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: Nine two nine two is the text number on that one. Now, 47 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: there are calls for us to start upping the fines 48 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: for speeding, so researchers found that drivers who get speeding 49 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: tickets are three times more likely to be in a 50 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: crash than drivers who don't get any speeding tickets. Speed 51 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: is a factor in about a third of the fatal 52 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: crashes that happened last year. Now, the guy behind this 53 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: research is doctor Darren Walton from the University of Canterbury. Darren, Hello, Darren, 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: did this surprise you? 55 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 2: The result surprises us in that it is always the 56 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: case that people who accumulate more and more tickets have 57 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: an increasing odds of having a crash. And the purpose 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: of tic getting people is to change their behavior. So 59 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: you would normally expect that, you know, the fines that 60 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: people accumulate would reduce the chance that they'd have crash. 61 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, because obviously you speed. Like, this's how work for me? Anyway, 62 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: I sped, I got busted. It was such a big fine. 63 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: I pretty much tried never to do it again. That's 64 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: how it should work. So why is it not working 65 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: like that for people? 66 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: Well, some of these people who have accumulated a large 67 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: number of tickets, so four or five tickets over a 68 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: couple of years. It's quite a rare thing to do. 69 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: It's quite hard to do because these are all officer 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: issue tickets. So that's a rare event. You do that 71 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: a few times, it shows that you are out there 72 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: with a proclivity to speed, and that speeding is what 73 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: is altering your cressuous. 74 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it's not so much that, because I 75 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: wondered if what it was was you get a speeding 76 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: ticket and actually a lot of people isn't that expensive, 77 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: So they go bugger and I'll just keep on speeding. 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: So almost you know, encourages them because because the punishment 79 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: isn't sufficient, they keep on doing it. But that's not 80 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: actually what's going on here. 81 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: Is it? It's not It could well be part of 82 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: it because we have not changed our fine regime since 83 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine when that was introduced, so overtween five 84 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: years that thirty dollars ticket for the minimum fee that 85 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: you would get for a speeding ticket is almost the 86 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: same as a parking ticket. You can get a parking 87 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: ticket that's more than that these days, and so whether 88 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: that is a suitable punishment for the type of behavior 89 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: is moote. But it is certainly out of council with 90 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: the rest of the world. Be lots of other places 91 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: have larger fines than we have in newself. 92 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: Well, the alternative explanation is that the reason that you 93 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: end up with so many tickets is because you're a 94 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: bit of a home and you like to give the 95 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: finger to authority, and so you are a problem already, right. 96 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: It's more a reflection of your attitude. Potentially. 97 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: The point that I would take from that is that 98 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: when you are accumulating tickets, what we tend to do 99 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: is we treat those as independent events. But we actually 100 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: once you've got three or four tickets and you're being 101 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: pulled over by a police officer, it is an opportunity. 102 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: Is the police officer knows that in order to offer 103 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: an intervention, at least offer that crash risks to that individual, 104 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: I would increase the fines. 105 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: But okay, how much, Sarren? Where are we pushing these fines? 106 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: To stop these terms? 107 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: The opportunity is to apply a multiplier, So you could, 108 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: if you don't treat them as independent events, increase science 109 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: portion to how many tickets persons they've had over the 110 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: two year period. You could alter the demerit points, because 111 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: that is one mechanism that we have for at least 112 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: changing the risk profile. People know that as they get 113 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: closer and closer to the edge of losing their license 114 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: that they might change their behavior that way. But it 115 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: is certainly possible to have four or five tickets for 116 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: over a two year period and retain one's license, and 117 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: that is an extraordinary risk to carry in terms of 118 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: the crastionalities that we've done. 119 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: What's the maximum vine you can get at the. 120 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: Moment six one hundred and thirty dollars for a forty 121 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: six to fifty kilometer per hour. After that, it's a 122 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: criminal offense, but that is small relative to other places 123 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 2: in the world. 124 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: So okay, Darren, but tell me what do you think 125 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: if six hundred and thirty bucks isn't putting you off, 126 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: and Jesus it put me off. But if it's not 127 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: putting you off four or five times of that, what 128 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: do we increase it to to put you off? 129 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: Some people would suggest it should be income or wealth related, 130 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: that the fine is associated and the proper a proper 131 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: deterrent to accumulating such a ticket. But I've got to 132 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: say a forty to fifty kilometer hour over the speed 133 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: limit ticket is an extraordinary event, and that's why it's 134 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: said at that maximum rate, a ticket of one hundred 135 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: and twenty dollars for doing fifteen to twenty k's an 136 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: hour is not getting followed four or five of those. 137 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: That's what people are accumulating. But that risk is really 138 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: unacceptably high. 139 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: Darren's really good to talk to you, mate. Thank you 140 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: for running U through. That's doctor Darren Walton of the 141 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: University of Canterbury. 142 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to 143 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 144 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.