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Speaker 1: New Zealand First has introduced a member's bill to change

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Speaker 1: the rules around fluoride in the water. If it's pluck

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Speaker 1: from the ballot and if it were to pass, the

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Speaker 1: bill would repeal the twenty twenty one law that gave

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Speaker 1: the Director General of Health the power to determine if

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Speaker 1: water supplies should be fluoridated. Now, local water authorities would

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Speaker 1: also be forced to hold a binding referendum on the issue.

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Speaker 1: Winston Peters is the leader of the New Zealand First

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Speaker 1: and he's with me this afternoon. Good afternoon, good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on. So obviously there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of support around from your cabinet colleagues for making

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Speaker 1: a change to this issue. You've been forced to go

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Speaker 1: down the member's bill route.

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Speaker 2: Well, the reality is that this was the state of

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Speaker 2: affairs for decades until twenty twenty one when the people's

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Speaker 2: right to choose in a local referendum was removed, and

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Speaker 2: then they became the victims of an autograde decision which

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Speaker 2: costs millions for councils and at a thread of two

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars fine and ten dollars for every day that

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Speaker 2: this exist, at ten thousand every day since that it

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Speaker 2: would be in place. So it's two hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: fine and then ten dollar fine every day that the

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Speaker 2: Council didn't comply with a dictate from the Director General

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Speaker 2: of Health as a result of the twenty one legislation.

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Speaker 2: And we're saying, give people back the democracy that they

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Speaker 2: enjoyed all those decades. Let them decide. They're the ones

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Speaker 2: who are right to have a regard to what they want,

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Speaker 2: not some bunch of over inflated bureaucrats in Willington.

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Speaker 1: Fine at as being told, because they're obviously the ones

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Speaker 1: who are kicking up the biggest fuss you'd have to say.

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Speaker 1: And the Director General is saying, oh, we're going to

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Speaker 1: go to the will force you through the High Court. Actually,

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Speaker 1: so they've got to March twenty eight. Now, look it's unlikely.

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Speaker 1: I mean it is possible, but it's highly unlikely this

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Speaker 1: bill is going to be anywhere significant by then.

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Speaker 2: So what well it depends depends depends. If you are

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Speaker 2: persuasive and your colleagues take a similar line of responsibility,

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Speaker 2: we could have the bill through Parliament by that time

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Speaker 2: and it would not be necessary for the ratepayers of

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Speaker 2: farn ray or to Roma for example, or when you

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Speaker 2: other council having to waste all this money.

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Speaker 1: Well not so much, my colleagues, but yours. Minister Nicola

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Speaker 1: Willis just said on the news here at News talks'd

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Speaker 1: be I want my kids to have fluoride in their water,

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Speaker 1: and I want that for every other kid too. We're

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Speaker 1: not touching the law.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was not the National Party's position for all

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Speaker 2: those decades, and I'm talking about in the sixties, seventies,

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Speaker 2: eighties and nineties all the way through to twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: We're in an authoritative Labor Party by itself made this decision.

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Speaker 2: So we just wanted to go back to what it

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Speaker 2: was and we'll trust the people.

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Speaker 1: Not fair enough. Any comment to make on David Seymour

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Speaker 1: in the house today and the driving up the steps yesterday.

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Speaker 2: No, you have you heard the Latin phrase raise up

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Speaker 2: to lock at it? No?

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Speaker 1: I have an ex what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: It means the thing speaks for itself.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard from the Prime Minister Mark Brown yet?

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Speaker 2: No, because he's in Basing at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Do you expect to hear from him?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: I mean, have you had any communication that you might

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Speaker 1: be hearing from him.

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Speaker 2: Well, again, this is a matter of this is a

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Speaker 2: matter of a wedding development side don't know when that

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Speaker 2: will be, but we would expect to hear from due course.

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Speaker 2: But that's not what I expect the next couple of days.

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Speaker 1: So he still hasn't even said if he's going to

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Speaker 1: talk to us yet.

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Speaker 2: Oh I know. He said he's going to talk to

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Speaker 2: us and said he's going to talk to the Cogoden people,

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Speaker 2: but not before the event, after it.

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Speaker 1: Mister Peters, thank you very much for your time. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, Deputy Prime Minister, and you've been New Zealand

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Speaker 1: First Party Leader Winston Peters. For more from Hither Duplessy

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