1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Kiota, m Chelsea Daniels and this is a compilation episode 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: of The Front Page, a daily podcast presented by The 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: New Zealand Herald. From wars and conflicts to extreme weather events, 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: new pandemic threats to cancer coming to Buckingham Palace. We've 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: seen it all over the last twelve months, but twenty 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: twenty four was truly the year of the election. Over 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: sixty countries went to the polls this year, including India, Russia, Mexico, 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: France and the UK, meaning more people voted in one 9 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: year than at any other point in human history. But 10 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: the biggest of them was, of course, in the US. 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: The road to November's election was more intense than most. First, 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: there was an attempted assassination of Donald Trump in July. 13 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: Thousands were there to see him speak. They would witness 14 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: the first assassination attempt of a president in more than 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: forty years. He was immediately surrounded by Secret Service, his 16 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: ear bloody. By six thirteen pm, he was rushed off 17 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: the stage. 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 1: That was followed by Joe Biden deciding not to run 19 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: for re election a few weeks later. 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: Nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy. 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: That includes Pirstal ambition. 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: So I've decided the best way forward is to pass 23 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: the torch for a new generation. 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: It paved the way for a historic bid for the 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: White House by Kamala Harris, the first Black and South 26 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: Asian woman to be nominated by a major party. 27 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 5: I accept your nomination to be president in the United 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 5: States of America. 29 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: But in the end, it was Trump who made history. 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: Re elected after four years out of office, it is. 31 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 6: Now clear that we've achieved the most incredible political there. 32 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 7: Look what happened. 33 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: As we look back over the year's biggest events, we 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: start in Pennsylvania the day before the election, where Ensid 35 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: Harold Deputy political editor Thomas Coglan spoke to us about 36 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: what he'd seen and heard on the ground from voters. 37 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 7: Obviously, you know, talking to people that their views changed 38 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 7: depending on who they're leaning towards. It does seem like 39 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 7: a lot of Americans have made up their minds already. 40 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 7: They're too pretty think camp. The Democrats are worried about 41 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 7: the threat to democracy, of course, and the sort of 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 7: fascistic tendencies of Donald Trump as former chief of staff 43 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 7: obviously recently the label and the fascist last month. The 44 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 7: other big concern for them is abortion access and women's 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 7: rights generally. Donald Trump was responsible for appointing the Supreme 46 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 7: Court justices that were crucial to overturning the Rod versus Wade, 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 7: which allowed many states to implement full or partial abortion vans. 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 7: Kamala Harris's our ads are saying that about one in 49 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 7: three women in America live under some form of abortion 50 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 7: van thanks for that Supreme Court decision, and the Democrats 51 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 7: are saying that Donald Trump would like to extend that nationwide, 52 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 7: effectively banning an abortion in the entire country. Donald Trump 53 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 7: is very keen to say that this is not happening, 54 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 7: but of course some of the surrogates would quite like it, 55 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 7: or our allies would like it to happen. So that 56 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 7: is a massive thing with the Democrats talking about, and 57 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 7: it is something that the Republicans and the Trump campaign 58 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 7: is very very worried about because overall in the country 59 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 7: more people support abortion and donor support it. And if 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 7: many people believe that that this is what Trump's intention is, 61 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 7: and it is likely to swing or to help drive 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 7: voters towards towards Harris. Of course, with Donald Trump, it's 63 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 7: it's often pretty difficult to know what his intentions are 64 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 7: on the Trump side of things, they are very angry 65 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 7: about migration in you know, the Democrats thought of them 66 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 7: day and I'm happy with the migration situation. There were 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 7: I think about eleven million what you call a legal 68 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 7: crossings into America under the Biden administration, computed just over 69 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 7: two million from the Trump era. So so migration, particularly 70 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 7: legal legal migration, as a mess of issue at the moment. 71 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 7: Both can't to clam down in it. But Donald Trump 72 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 7: is promising a pretty pretty serious style expulsion of many 73 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 7: migrants and really tightening up the security situation and the border. 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 7: On the Trump side of things as well, that there 75 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 7: is a lot of talk about inflation under the Bison 76 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 7: years and the use of tariffs ironically, which will be inflationary. 77 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 7: The use of tariffs to protect manufacturing jobs. 78 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: Trump's re election sparked fears of a global trade war 79 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: and rising costs after he promised on the campaign trail 80 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: that he'll imposed tariffs on numerous countries and products coming 81 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: into the US. To discuss what his election means for 82 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: New Zealand, we spoke with NZ US Council Executive Director 83 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: for you Owner Cooper shortly after the election what's our 84 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: relationship with the United States? 85 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 8: Like, Well, this is the very good thing is that 86 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 8: we have an excellent relationship. It's been growing. You know, 87 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 8: it's strong in terms of trade, and it's strong right 88 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 8: across the board. And New Zealand worked very well with 89 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 8: President Trump's first administration, our Foreign Minister Winston Peters. He 90 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 8: had strong relationships with his counterparts and he was very 91 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 8: engaged with them. And in fact, I certainly am delighted 92 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 8: to see that the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Peters 93 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 8: were quick to welcome the result last night and congratulate 94 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 8: President Trump on his victory. I think that's good. So, 95 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 8: you know, New Zealand's not starting from scratch. We have 96 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 8: worked with Trump before and we look forward to working 97 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 8: with him again. 98 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 1: Well, the New Zealand US trade relationship topped twenty seven 99 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: point five billion in twenty twenty three. That's no small feet, hey, 100 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: And it's getting bigger and bigger every year, isn't it. 101 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 8: Certainly, as it's now our largest export market, it's valuable, 102 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 8: it's growing and that's a really good news story. Because 103 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 8: New Zealand companies who export to the United States, they 104 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 8: are well known for having high quality innovative products that 105 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 8: United States consumers want and that US businesses use in 106 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 8: their manufacturing. So it's a really good news story. We'd 107 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 8: like to see that continue and we look forward to 108 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 8: sharing that story with the new administration. 109 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: When it comes to tariffs, though, that's the thing that 110 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: has been a stickler for basically every country. 111 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 8: In the world. 112 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: When looking at the results and looking at this election, 113 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: we actually don't know anything about them really yet, do 114 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: we No. 115 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 8: You know, there's not room for a lot of nuance 116 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 8: in election campaigns, so all we've seen is very high 117 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 8: level talk about imposing a universal tariff, but we don't 118 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 8: have any details, and I would caution against speculating about 119 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 8: the tariff policy until it's more fully formed. Trump won't 120 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 8: be sworn in until the twentieth of January, so we're 121 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 8: not going to find out the detail until after that. 122 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 8: But the policy details do matter, and we'll be looking 123 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 8: at it very closely once it's known. You know, the 124 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 8: devil will be in the details. It's clear there will 125 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 8: be implications for New Zealand, and it's something that we're 126 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 8: really focused on. 127 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: Political conflict was rife throughout twenty twenty four. France has 128 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: seen four prime ministers this year, as President Emmanuel Macron 129 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: struggles to gain control of an increasingly divided country. In 130 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: South Korea, President yunsuk yol was impeached this month after 131 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: temporarily imposing martial law. Meanwhile, in the Middle East, rebels 132 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: took over Syria as dictator President Bashah al Assad and 133 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: his family fled, bringing hope that over a decade of 134 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: conflict will finally come to an end. And for those 135 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: in Ukraine and Gaza, hope is all they have right now. 136 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: The conflicts in both countries have showed no sign of 137 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: stopping this year, with the world now waiting to see 138 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: how President elects Trump and his cabinet will handle both. 139 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: In February, two years after the conflict in Ukraine started, 140 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: guest host Georgina Campbell spoke with independent journalist Tom March 141 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: from Kiev about the state of the conflict. 142 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 9: So right now I am back in Kiev, which is 143 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 9: of course the capital of Ukraine, and it's pretty far. 144 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 9: It's a couple one hundred kilometers away from any frontline. 145 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 9: There was obviously a frontline here at the very start 146 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 9: of the war. But we're going back to about March 147 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 9: twenty twenty two now nearly two years when the Russians 148 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 9: tried to make that mad dash for Kiev at the 149 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 9: very start of the war and they got beaten back 150 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 9: and sort of retreated with their tale between their legs. 151 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 9: I have, however, I've been in the ARKive region in 152 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 9: a near a town called Koopyansk, which is on the 153 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 9: front line, or very close to the front line, and 154 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 9: we were working with Ukrainian soldiers who are actually working 155 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 9: with a unit who pilot drones. Now, for people who 156 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 9: follow this war closely, they'll know that the two most 157 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 9: important types of weapons really are. One is artillery, just 158 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 9: the standard artillery that's been used from the first Second 159 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 9: World Wars onwards. And drones, both first person view drones, 160 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 9: which are the ones that you just sort of, you know, 161 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 9: put a camera on your face and fly and they 162 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 9: fly them into enemy tanks and vehicles. And this unit 163 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 9: was using was called vampire drones, which are these slightly 164 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 9: bigger drones because about thirty thousand bucks, and they strap 165 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 9: a bunch of grenades, mortar shells, explosives to them, fly 166 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 9: them over the Russian lines and then they drop them 167 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 9: all on them. So we spent a night staying with 168 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 9: their and working with them. But I am, as I said, 169 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,359 Speaker 9: now back in the relative safety. 170 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 10: Of Kiv, and even in Kiev, you have a curfew. 171 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: Though, yes, so there has been a curfew. 172 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 9: There's a curfew or in almost every region of Ukraine 173 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 9: and there's a curfew. It starts at midnight. Everything you know, shops, bars, restaurants, whatever, 174 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 9: are supposed to close by ten pm. 175 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: Now. 176 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 9: The unofficial reason for that, more or less is that 177 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 9: they still like to be able to do stuff at night, 178 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 9: like you know, move vehicles or military equipment around, and 179 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 9: they don't really want people on the streets who can 180 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 9: kind of you know, see what's going on, you know, 181 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 9: just to kind of keep things a bit more safe 182 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 9: and secure. Also, you know, if there are explosions throughout 183 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 9: the night and stuff, it's more helpful to have people 184 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 9: inside to not have to deal with people outside throng 185 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 9: the streets or being drunken, disorderly or whatever. It just 186 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 9: they feel it helps sort of keep order more or less. 187 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 10: And you've been in Ukraine a lot over the past 188 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 10: two years. 189 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: How has the mood or the atmosphere changed in that time? 190 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 9: So I have been here on and off more or 191 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 9: less since the very very start. I arrived about one 192 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 9: month before the full scale invasion began, and in that 193 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 9: time we've sort of we've gone through various sort of 194 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 9: shifts in the public mood. So at the very start, 195 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 9: of course, in that first week or two, there was 196 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 9: just this sort of absolute shock and in some ways 197 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 9: sort of despair and anger, like how could something like 198 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 9: this happen in twenty twenty two, one of the biggest 199 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 9: land invasions in history. And then there was a shot 200 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 9: that they managed to beat them back from Kiev. Then 201 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 9: over at least the first year, while you know, everyone 202 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 9: was very sort of heart wrench and traumatized by the war, 203 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 9: there was this general sense that things were actually going 204 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 9: pretty well. The Ukrainians won a series of the sort 205 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 9: of a three famous victories chasing them out of Kiev, 206 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 9: then another victory where they kicked them out of the 207 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 9: Harkiv region, and then a final victory where they retook 208 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 9: the major city of her Son in the south. So 209 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 9: about this time last year, there was quite a lot 210 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 9: of optimism in the air that the war might be 211 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 9: over soon and that Ukraine might be able to retake 212 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 9: all of its lost territories. 213 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 10: Including the ones that were lost. 214 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 9: In twenty fourteen, like Crimea and the cities of Donyetsk 215 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 9: and Luhansk. Now the mood and now, I would say, 216 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 9: is a bit grimmar than it was back this time 217 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 9: last year. There was a major Ukrainian counter offensive last 218 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 9: year that was very hyped up that Western allies donated 219 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 9: a lot of ammunition and tanks and rocket launchers and 220 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 9: all that sort of stuff for. But it didn't go 221 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 9: very well. It didn't make much progress, it didn't manage 222 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 9: to penetrate all the way through the main Russian lines 223 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 9: of defense. And ever since then, not only did the 224 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 9: Ukrainians lose a lot of their combat power, but since 225 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 9: then the Russians managed to regenerate and they've been on 226 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 9: the offensive again in the East. And not only that, 227 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 9: there's been the problems with a with Western aid. 228 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 10: European Union aid was. 229 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 9: Held up for a long time when Hungary was vetoing it, 230 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 9: and of course rot wing republicans in the US Congress 231 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 9: have still are still blocking that sixty billion aid package 232 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 9: that Ukraine was really sort of counting on and relying 233 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,239 Speaker 9: on to survive throughout twenty twenty. 234 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: Four In April, I spoke with UNICEF AID worker Tess 235 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: Ingram about what it's like on the ground in Gaza, 236 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: including the threats to their lives as they try and 237 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: help the war's most vulnerable. 238 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 11: I'm in the Gaza Strip in Rafah, and I've traveled 239 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 11: all across Gaza in the last two weeks that I've 240 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 11: been here. I've been to Carnunis and Gelbalara in the 241 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 11: middle area of Gaza, and yesterday i also went to 242 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 11: the north of Gaza, and through all of those areas 243 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 11: there's destruction and devastation. It's really clear the six months 244 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 11: of war and its impact on both the infrastructure and 245 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 11: the people here in Gaza. Everywhere you look, you can 246 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 11: see and hear and smell the fighting, and you can 247 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 11: see it on people's faces too, that they're just exhausted. 248 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: How much contact have you had with locals on the 249 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: ground and what have they been telling you. 250 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 11: Yeah, every day I talk to people about their experiences here, 251 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 11: mostly people who have been displaced to the south to Rufa, 252 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 11: but I've also met people in the other pits of Gaza. 253 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 11: And look, everybody has a different tragic tale of loss 254 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 11: and grief, whether it's being injured, being buried, underneath the rubble, 255 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 11: being displaced six times, losing family members, being malnourished, losing 256 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 11: a baby. All of these stories are stories that I hear, 257 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 11: and on top of that tragedy, people are really just 258 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 11: trying to meet their basic needs of having enough food 259 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 11: and water and shelter to survive each day. 260 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,239 Speaker 1: Our impression of Northern Gaza is that it's been largely destroyed. 261 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: Like you said, the just complete destruction. Is that a 262 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: fair assessment? And how dangerous are is this part of 263 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: the country now, do you think? 264 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a fair assessment. I was shocked by what 265 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 11: I saw yesterday. It was my first time to North 266 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 11: Gaza and I had heard just how destroyed it was, 267 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 11: but seeing it for yourself really brings it home. Thinking 268 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 11: about where I'm from in Australia and imagining what if 269 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 11: this was my home and my community, my local shopping center. 270 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 11: Everything is burnt to the ground, and it does make 271 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 11: it dangerous because there's explosive remnants of war now in 272 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 11: and under the rubble. So when people return, there's going 273 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 11: to have to be a massive effort to try and 274 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 11: make sure that people are safe from these explosives, but 275 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 11: also then safe just with the essentials that they need 276 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 11: to survive because of course food production is decimated. There's 277 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 11: no clean water, so that we need to be a 278 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 11: massive lift to bring people back to the north of Gaza. 279 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: A vehicle waiting to enter Northern Gaza was hit with 280 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: live ammunition. I'm aware that UNICEF has raised the incident 281 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: with authorities. 282 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 4: UNICEF humanitarian aid convoy was hit by Israeli gun fire 283 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: well on its way to Northern Gaza to deliver life 284 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 4: saving supplies to children. The convoy was part of a 285 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 4: joint mission of UNICEF and the UN Agency for Palacinian Refugees, 286 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 4: carrying food, medicine and fuel to feed the sanitation and 287 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 4: running water systems in Valia in the north of the Strip. 288 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: Chess Am, I right to say that you were in 289 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: that convoy when that happened, and what was it like. 290 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 11: Yeah, not only was I in that convoy, but I 291 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 11: was in the car that was hit with the bullets. 292 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 11: So one hit the bonnet of the car and the 293 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 11: other two hit the door that I was sitting at, 294 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 11: one in the window and one in the door. It 295 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 11: was fast and confusing, and we were making sure in 296 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 11: that moment that everybody was okay, not just us, but 297 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 11: the civilians outside as well. And it was a shock 298 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 11: because we were in a designated holding area where we 299 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 11: had instructed to wait, and yet this happened to a 300 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 11: clearly marked un vehicle, which shouldn't happen, even though it's 301 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 11: a war zone. 302 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, and after this incident, and of course 303 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: the deadly horrific strike on the World's Central Kitchen just 304 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: the other week, what's the feeling amongst aid workers at 305 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: the moment? 306 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 12: Frustration? 307 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 11: I think it's probably the best way to explain it. 308 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 11: We know that we're in a dangerous environment. We know 309 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 11: that Gaza is one of the most difficult places in 310 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 11: the world to do our jobs at the moment, but 311 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 11: there are systems in place that are meant to protect 312 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 11: us not working at the moment. It's because they're not 313 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 11: being respected. We coordinate our missions and we get a 314 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 11: safety assurance in response, letting us know, yeah, you can 315 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 11: undertake that mission and it should be safe. And yet 316 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 11: even on those coordinated missions, we have instances like this 317 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 11: where we're put in harm's way or like the World 318 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 11: Central Kitchen colleagues tragically killed. So the systems are broken 319 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 11: and they urgently need to be repaired. 320 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: Back in February, the deaths of Sydney couple Jesse Baird 321 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: and Luke Davies sent shock waves across Australia that were 322 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: felt here in New Zealand. The pair went missing on 323 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: February nineteenth, and police launched a missing person investigation two 324 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: days later after bloodied clothes and personal items were found 325 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: in a skip A former celebrity blogger turned police officer, 326 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 1: bo Lemaire Condon eventually handed himself into police in relation 327 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: to the men's deaths. His case is now before the courts, 328 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: though he has yet to enter a plea. In early March, 329 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: we spoke with ABC News reporter Isaac now Routsi, who 330 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: had been at the scene at Bungonia where Jesse and 331 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: Luke's bodies were eventually found. 332 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 12: On Monday, the nineteenth of February, jessebd and Luke Davies 333 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 12: went missing and neither of them had been heard from, 334 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 12: so it was actually two days later on Wednesday, the 335 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 12: twenty first, where police launched a missing person's investigation and 336 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 12: notified the homicide squad because blooded clothes and personal items 337 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 12: were found in a skip bin in Cronola, which is 338 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 12: a suburb of Sydney known for its beaches and swimming 339 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 12: pool spots. It's located about thirty kilometers from Paddington, where 340 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 12: mister Bed lived. This happened around eleven o'clock in the morning, 341 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 12: and a couple of hours later police found a large 342 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 12: amount of blood when examining Jesse Bed's home in Paddington. 343 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 12: Later that afternoon, investigators searched Luke's home, but he wasn't there. Now, 344 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 12: if we fast forward a couple of days to Friday, 345 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 12: the twenty third of February, a New South Wales police 346 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 12: constable bou Lamar Condon hands himself in at a police 347 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 12: station in the morning. A few hours later, he's charged 348 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 12: with two counts of murder. Yeppe is in court that 349 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 12: afternoon and does not apply for bail. And then this, 350 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 12: you know, for the public opens up a lot of questions. 351 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 12: Where are the bodies and what happened between Monday, the 352 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 12: nineteenth of February and Friday the twenty third. 353 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: What do we know about what happened and what kind 354 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: of gaps are we looking at here in terms of 355 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: the timeline of events and what police are actually trying 356 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: to figure out well. 357 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 12: Police alleged that during the Wednesday, the accused bo Lamark 358 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 12: Condon and an acquaintance who police have described as an 359 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 12: innocent agent that's really important, attended a Bungoonia property. And 360 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 12: Bungo Nei is a small town in the rural New 361 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 12: South Wales about two hours south of Sydney, and we'll 362 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 12: talk more about that town a little bit later on. 363 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 12: But Lamar conton in this acquaintance allegedly bought an angle 364 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 12: grinder and a padlock from a hardware store before driving 365 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 12: into the property. Police then allege he cut the padlock 366 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 12: with the grinder and went into the property with the van, 367 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 12: which he allegedly hired from Sydney Airport. On the Monday 368 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 12: that the pair went missing. The acquaintance said that they 369 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 12: waited at the entrance at the top of the property 370 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 12: for about half an hour. Police alleged that he placed 371 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 12: a new padlock on the property's gate before the pairge 372 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 12: drove back to Sydney later that afternoon, and it was 373 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 12: around eleven pm that night that police allege Lamar Condon 374 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 12: bought waits from a department store and returned to the 375 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 12: rural property during that evening or overnight. Now the next 376 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 12: day and the first day before he hands himself in 377 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 12: the Mark Condon allegedly leaves the rural area again in 378 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 12: the hired white Man returns to Sydney before traveling to 379 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 12: another acquaintance's home in Newcastle, which is a town just 380 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 12: over two hours north of Sydney. So's alleged to have 381 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 12: gone around quite a bit during this time, and that 382 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 12: night detectives say a third person who was of course 383 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 12: later identified as bo Lamar Condon may be able to 384 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 12: assist in their investigation and they raid a home which 385 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 12: they think could be connected to him. Now the next morning, 386 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 12: he hands himself into police, but still not known exactly 387 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 12: where the bodies are. But on that Sunday morning, police 388 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 12: begin searching a rural property in Bongonia divers scality area 389 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 12: and dance behind the home. But it wasn't actually until 390 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 12: four days later after Lamark Conden was charged that police 391 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 12: were able to get information about where the bodies were located, 392 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 12: and a couple of hours after speaking to him, found 393 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 12: human remains in two surf bags along a fence line 394 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 12: at a second of Mongoania property, which was located about 395 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 12: twenty minutes away from where they were initially looking. 396 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: This case led to Bungonia, which is actually a pretty 397 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: rural part of New South Wales, so far from Sydney. 398 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: In fact, it's actually closer to Canberra, where you're based. 399 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: What can you tell us about this area. 400 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 12: Well, Bunganier is a small town in New South Wales. 401 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 12: It's about one hundred and eighty five kilometers southwest of 402 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 12: Sydney and about one hundred and sixty six kilometers northeast 403 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 12: of Camber. It is quite rural. It has a population 404 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 12: of about three hundred and fifty people. I've actually had 405 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 12: the opportunity to meet some of the residents under very 406 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 12: different circumstances a few years ago, when the people that 407 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 12: I met were really friendly, really warm, So you can 408 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 12: imagine how much of a shock it would have come 409 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 12: to the community for such a long stretch of road 410 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 12: to be close off in the area as a crime. 411 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 12: Then the road itself where the bodies were found is 412 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 12: just like many other Australian roads going into small country towns. 413 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 12: It's got a lot of dense bushland on either side. 414 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 12: There are a lot of trees, a lot of shrubs. 415 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 12: There are properties scattered along both sides with farm animals. 416 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 12: We drove in the evening in the early morning was 417 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 12: quite dangerous to drive on that road in the early 418 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 12: and late hours. We nearly hit a few kangaroos. This 419 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 12: kangaroo scattered all over both sides of the road. And well, 420 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 12: police believe that one of the properties in Bangodia was 421 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 12: previously visited by Lamar Condon through a former relationship. So 422 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 12: at this stage, that's what we know about that link. 423 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: What was the mood like when police and media descended 424 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: on upon that area. I mean, I understand it's not 425 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: exactly a heavily populated part of the country. 426 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 10: No, it's nice. 427 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 12: And look when we got there, there was already police 428 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 12: in some other media on site because by the time 429 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 12: we had got there, we knew why we were going 430 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 12: there because there've been bodies found and that's quite eerie 431 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 12: in itself. So you know where you're going, right, You 432 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 12: know this is a crime scene. You know it's containing 433 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 12: two bodies who's police strongly to believe to be the 434 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 12: bodies of jessebad and Lop Davies. You know there's significant 435 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 12: public interest in this, and when you're driving down that road, 436 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 12: you can't help but have all these thoughts about the 437 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 12: circumstances of the alleged crime and how they're alleged to 438 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 12: end up there and what were taking place. You can't 439 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 12: really see anything when you get on the site. The 440 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 12: crime scene is pourted off a couple of one hundred 441 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 12: meters away, but you are having all these thoughts and 442 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 12: you left to imagine what's going I'll give you an 443 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 12: example about that, right So when we got there, some 444 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 12: of the members of Jesse Baird's family were visiting the 445 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 12: site and we saw them leave and drive out the 446 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 12: area around seven thirty that evening, and you can barely 447 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 12: just imagine what they would have been thinking on their 448 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 12: drive on the way to that site while visiting the site. 449 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 12: You know, all the circumstances leading up to it would 450 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 12: have just been absolutely horrific for them. 451 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: In April, Sydney was in for another shock when forty 452 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: year old Joel Couchi walked into Westfield Bondai junction armed 453 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: with a knife. His stabbing rampage killed six people and 454 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: injured a further twelve before he was shot dead by 455 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: a police officer. Sydney based ABC News reporter Penny Timms 456 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: joined us at the time to discuss the incident. Those 457 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: images of people standing up to the attacker, they've been 458 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: called heroes, right, and we've all seen the images and 459 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: video online. Can you tell us have we spoken to 460 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: any of those people yet? 461 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 10: Yeah. 462 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: So, Look, we've heard from some of the people who 463 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 3: really did stand up to him. They have explained that 464 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 3: some of them didn't actually know what was happening at 465 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 3: the time. 466 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 10: There was a man holding. 467 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: Up a ballard and I heard him speaking to other media, 468 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 3: not to I haven't personally spoken to him, but he 469 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 3: had explained how he wasn't even really fully aware of 470 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: what was happening. He just knew that some bad was 471 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: going on and was pretty obvious that this guy was 472 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 3: the one that were after. 473 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 10: He was carrying a very large knife, and you know. 474 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: They just explained that, you know, they sort of said 475 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: that he just had this blank look in his eyes 476 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: and that they were just trying to prevent him from 477 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 3: being able to venture further into the shopping center. He 478 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: was sort of at an area where there were a 479 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 3: lot of escalators, so it was easy for him to 480 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: get through the different floors, and so people were trying 481 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 3: to prevent him from using the escalators to contain him 482 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: to where he could be The mother of the nine 483 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 3: month old baby, as she was very severely attacked. I 484 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: think she knew just how badly she attacked she was, 485 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: and she one of the last things she did was 486 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 3: sort of thrust her baby over to some men who 487 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: were walking by, saying, please save my baby. And you know, 488 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: those men were sort of saying that it was just 489 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: instinct that they obviously just did what they could. Shopkeepers 490 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 3: as well, had to just all of a sudden become 491 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: these really important people who could guide I guess, this 492 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 3: flow situation, this really serious security situation. They all of 493 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 3: a sudden turned into not just their regular job of 494 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 3: retail workers and frontline hospitality workers, but also just these 495 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: people who then all of a sudden had to guide 496 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of people who were very stressed. We're 497 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: hearing more and more stories of the heroic acts from 498 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: that day, and certainly people who were standing up to 499 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 3: that man did prevent him from being able to further 500 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: attack people. There was one gentleman, for example, who sort 501 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 3: of confronted him and sort of just sort of, I guess, 502 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: puffed his chest out a bit to try and prevent 503 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 3: him from venturing closer to a woman who was trying 504 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 3: to protect three children. You know, people were obviously panicked, 505 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: but there were definitely people who also stood up to 506 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: him and I think had they not done that, the 507 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: bloodshed would have even been more immense than it was already. 508 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: What do we know about some of those who have 509 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: lost their lives. 510 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: There is the mother of the child. So this is 511 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: a thirty eight year old woman by the name of 512 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 3: Ashley Good. She is well known in some of the 513 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: football football societies around Australia as well. There was another 514 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 3: man for as Tahir. He is a Pakistani national. He 515 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: was a security guard at the center and from what 516 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 3: we understand, it was also his first day of work. 517 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 3: We understand that he was formerly a refugee and so 518 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: that's just another really horrific story that's come to light. 519 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 3: There's a twenty five year old woman by the name 520 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 3: of Dawn Singleton. She's the daughter of an extremely well 521 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 3: known Australian businessman, John Singleton. She was out shopping for 522 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: her upcoming wedding. Again, just absolute devastation. It was a 523 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 3: forty seven year old woman by the name of Jade Young. 524 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 3: She was an architect. She lived in the area and 525 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: she was a local member of one of the local 526 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: surf clubs. We're also hearing that there was a fifty 527 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 3: five year old woman by the name of the Korea 528 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 3: Dashia who was from Georgia. So I think think that 529 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 3: it took a little bit of time just getting in 530 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: contact with her family potentially overseas. She's also has three children. 531 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: Where hearing reports now just come through that the sixth 532 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: victim has been identified. The ABC is still waiting to 533 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: verify her identity, but yeah, we do understand that she 534 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: has now been identified it and we're just waiting to 535 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 3: confirm that. 536 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: Now police have identified Queensland native Joel Coucy as the 537 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: man responsible for this attack. What do we know so 538 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: far about his history. 539 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: What we know about Joel Councy is that he is 540 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: from Queensland. He was a bit of an itinerant, I guess, 541 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 3: didn't really have much of a fixed address in either 542 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: of those locations. He originally had grown up just near 543 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 3: the capital city in Queensland. 544 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 10: We understand that he had quite. 545 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 3: A few mental health issues, so he had been treated 546 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: for a mental health condition. We understand when he was 547 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: in his late teens and he had been then referred to. 548 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 10: A psych high trust. 549 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 3: What's happened in the ensuing years is something I think 550 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: that will form part of the police investigation. It is 551 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 3: understood that about a month ago he moved to Sydney, 552 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 3: he made a series of posts from Sydney, you know, 553 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: just asking if anyone wanted to go surfing. He was 554 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 3: trying to learn to surf, that sort of thing. It 555 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: is not yet apparent that he had any kind of ideology, 556 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: you know, that he didn't seem to be doing this 557 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 3: for a particular cause. One thing that will be definitely investigated, 558 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 3: and there's really starting to come to light now is 559 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: the sheer number of women who have been attacked, and 560 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 3: a lot of focus is now going into whether or 561 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 3: not women were purposefully made the target. That is going 562 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: to be difficult given that he's dead, but whether or 563 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: not police are able to piece together anything. I think 564 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: that there's a lot of calls to investigate whether or not, 565 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 3: you know, his online activity would suggest that he was 566 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 3: a member of any group, or that he particularly focused 567 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 3: on any particularly misogyny type of groups. That's definitely the 568 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: police their focus today is definitely trying to hone in 569 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: on that and see what exactly is happening there. 570 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 6: Police are building a profile of mass murderer Joel Couci. 571 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 7: Why in April twenty twenty four would an individual act 572 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 7: in such a horrific manner. 573 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 6: He was from Tawoomba in southern Queensland. His family they're 574 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 6: issuing a statement. Our thoughts and prayers are with the 575 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 6: families and friends of the victims and those still undergoing treatment. 576 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 6: Joel's actions were truly horrific and we are still trying 577 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 6: to comprehend what has happened. 578 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 3: But again, this is a very difficult situation when you 579 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: do also have an aspect of a mental health condition 580 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: which may not have been treated. We also don't understand 581 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 3: yet what that mental health condition is. But essentially there's 582 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: a lot of difficulty, I guess, in understanding and investigating 583 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: this sort of thing where it isn't as obvious and 584 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 3: there may be other issues at play here. 585 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: Sticking to Australia, our closest neighbor, in recent years has 586 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: seen a disturbing rise in the number of women being 587 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: killed by an intimate partner. It sparked protests across the 588 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: country that were picked up by women around the world, 589 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: including here in New Zealand. In May, we spoke with 590 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: Australian journalist Ryl Moody, who founded the Australian Femicide Watch 591 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: and the Red Heart Campaign, about the issues facing women. 592 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 13: To date, I've documented the killing of thirty four women. Obviously, 593 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 13: not all of them have died as a result of 594 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 13: domestic or intimate partner violence. My current data shows around 595 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 13: five women have been killed by a family member, so 596 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 13: mainly sons but one daughter. Eleven women have been lost 597 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 13: to alleged acts of violence by current or former partners, 598 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 13: so we are looking at sixteen domestic violence related deaths 599 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 13: of the thirty five killings. 600 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 10: It's probably really. 601 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 13: Important for me to note here, and this is a 602 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 13: very common theme regardless of the year and the number 603 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 13: of deaths. The next highest context of violence is associate violance, 604 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 13: which is people that the women knew but were outside 605 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 13: of the familial relationships, so people like neighbors, tenants, colleagues, 606 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 13: that kind of relationship. So basically what the data shows 607 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 13: is almost all of the women have died at the 608 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 13: hands of someone who knew them, and this. 609 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: Isn't a recent phenomenon. It seems like there's outrage every 610 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: so often every few years. You've been reporting on this 611 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: issue for some time. Now, do you feel something as 612 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: different this time round? 613 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 13: You know what, We've had that question every time this 614 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 13: kind of really zoned in media focus and somewhat zoned 615 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 13: in political focus happens. And to be honest, it feels 616 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 13: exactly the same as it did the last time there 617 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 13: was this focus, and the time before that, and the 618 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 13: time before that. Women are really angry about this situation, 619 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 13: and they're angry. 620 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 10: About it constantly. 621 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 13: It just looks like we're angrier than normal because obviously 622 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 13: there's a lot more focus on the loss of women 623 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 13: to gendered violence, especially in the wake of the killing 624 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 13: of five women and one man at bond Di Junction, 625 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 13: and then there's been a spike in the number of 626 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 13: killings in April here. But we also know that within 627 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 13: a week or two, this focus will die down and 628 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 13: we'll be back to the normal level of indifference from 629 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 13: many media outlets and also many politicians. 630 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: I find it astonishing every time this comes around, how 631 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,479 Speaker 1: men are surprised what women and girls are taught when 632 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: they grow up, So things like use your nails so 633 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: you get the DNA, don't get in the van, keys 634 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: in between fingers. That's one, don't walk alone, cave your drink. 635 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: I could go on and on. Right, So, why do 636 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: you think that men or people in general find women 637 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: walking out of the house and feeling unsafe? Why do 638 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: they find that so confronting. 639 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 13: It's kind of a hard question to answer, but I 640 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 13: think what it comes down to is it's a really 641 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 13: uncomfortable conversation. It's a really uncomfortable thought to sit with 642 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 13: that women are afraid of men. I imagine, Look, I'm 643 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 13: not a man, but I imagine as a man, you're 644 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 13: hearing these conversations and you're going, but it's not me. 645 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 13: I'm not that person. I'm not someone they should be 646 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 13: afraid of. So you know, it probably is for man 647 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 13: a very hard conversation for them to listen to and 648 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 13: for them to take part in. And I know this 649 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 13: from the people who interact with me or try to 650 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 13: interact with me almost daily. They basically say, not all men, 651 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 13: and they don't realize what they're saying when they say that. 652 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 13: Not only do you feel called out, but you feel 653 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 13: like that level someone else's bad actions are being put 654 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 13: on your shoulders, and you also feel like you know, 655 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 13: I'm a good person, and why can't people see this? 656 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 13: But I think what men don't get about this conversation 657 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 13: is we're not saying that every man is violent. What 658 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 13: we're saying is not all men, but almost always a man, 659 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 13: And gendered violence is a man's problem to fix. It's 660 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 13: not a woman's problem to fix. Women are picking up 661 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 13: the pieces, but we can't change male attitudes, and it's 662 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 13: really unfair to actually put that on us. And when 663 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 13: I'm talking about male attitudes, I'm not talking about necessarily 664 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 13: about the violent attitudes. I mean, obviously that needs to change, 665 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 13: but I'm talking about those little latitudes, the ones where 666 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 13: men might feel ownership over women, or they might partake 667 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 13: in sexist jokes, or they might, you know, not hold 668 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 13: a guy to account when he treats a woman in 669 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 13: a bad way, or when they just simply don't sit 670 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 13: down and listen to what we're saying and understand it 671 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 13: and try to have empathy from our point of. 672 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: View, what has been happening in Australia recently, like the 673 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: rallies across Australia, we've seen some incredible video and footage. 674 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: Thousands have turned out. 675 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 13: I believe the final accounts for the rallies across Australia, 676 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 13: and I believe they are about twenty to thirty of them. 677 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 13: My understanding is that about one hundred thousand people turned up, 678 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 13: mainly women. Obviously there were a number of men in 679 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 13: those crowds. I attended the Melbourne rally where about five 680 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 13: thousand people were. It was quite a respectful, very laid 681 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 13: back rally. 682 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 10: The women were. 683 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 13: They were loud and vocal, but there was no sort 684 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 13: of physical or any other kind of problems in that group. 685 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 13: But I did, and I have to really have to 686 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 13: point out the premiere of Victoria and a number of 687 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 13: her ministers did attend the rally. They had their photos 688 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 13: taken with the Melbourne Rally organizers. They were at the 689 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 13: front of the protest going down the street, right in 690 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 13: front of the cameras. We got to the rally point 691 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 13: that had their photos taken there and then they just 692 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 13: went That was it. That was their entire contribution. Most importantly, 693 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 13: they didn't stay there to listen to the speakers. And 694 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 13: all the speakers were chosen because they, you know, they 695 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 13: were either impacted by violence or they're doing work in 696 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 13: this sector. Most often as volunteers like myself, so it 697 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 13: was really actually quite upsetting to see the politicians just 698 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 13: turn up for the cameras and then go and that 699 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 13: was their entire contribution for the event. 700 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: That's it for this compilation episode of The Front Page. 701 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: You can read more about the stories featured in this 702 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: episode and extensive news coverage at enziherld, dot co, dot 703 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: and z. The Front Pages produced by Ethan Sills and 704 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: Richard Martin, who is also our sound engineer along with 705 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: Paddy Fox. I'm Chelsea Daniels. 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