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Speaker 2: You welcome today from action to sort the power supply crisis,

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Speaker 2: the appeals caught back to the drivers over Uber. We've

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Speaker 2: got details on the next bit of the COVID Royal Commission,

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Speaker 2: UK forus Hosky. Here's the morning, welcome to it. Here

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Speaker 2: is the futility of what the government did over fast tracking.

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Speaker 2: The Environmental Defense Society chair still thinks projects that harm

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Speaker 2: the environment will get the go ahead. His name is

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Speaker 2: Gary Taylor. Gary Taylor has been around forever. He loves

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Speaker 2: the environment. He has defended campaigned against the destruction before

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Speaker 2: Chloe Swarbrick was even born. There is nothing you can

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Speaker 2: do that involves cutting a tree, slashing a bush, or

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Speaker 2: squashing a snail that will appease Gary Taylor. If it

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Speaker 2: comes to infrastructure and in that is the problem with

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Speaker 2: the backdown. This government either wants to get on with us,

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Speaker 2: or it doesn't. Ideas will not get them re elected.

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Speaker 2: My model has always been very simple. You get your

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Speaker 2: first term to blame the last lot, implement your ideas

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Speaker 2: as you go along. So you end your first term

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Speaker 2: arguing changes underway and the fruits, if not already to

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Speaker 2: be seen, are not far off. Talking about rima reform

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Speaker 2: gets you nowhere. A new road does, a new bridge

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Speaker 2: most definitely does. My suspicion, as we said yesterday, is

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Speaker 2: the change doesn't actually make a lot of difference. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: you control the panel of experts, so they don't surprise you.

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Speaker 2: They recommend a project, it goes ahead, and as minister

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Speaker 2: you have the advantage now of being able to blame

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Speaker 2: them if it all goes wrong. But in that mad

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Speaker 2: plays a part. It's your image, It's the perception. Are

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Speaker 2: you a government of action? Do you get results? Or

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Speaker 2: how much of what you are about is merely a

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Speaker 2: series of announcements. What you can't fault this lot on

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Speaker 2: is one intent and two announcing stuff. Now this is

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Speaker 2: election year, we will need runs on the board because

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Speaker 2: results count. The worst mistake they can make, the chickening

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Speaker 2: out of second guessing, of focus grouping themselves out of office,

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds on.

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Speaker 2: The Two Wars, firstly, at least where the UN have

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Speaker 2: suspended operations.

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Speaker 3: They said with this new evacuation order from dary al Bala,

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Speaker 3: essentially the operation center, were forced to flee.

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Speaker 2: In the Ukraine, the Ukrainian resistance continues to be effective.

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Speaker 4: Might say, we get information about Russia's occupying forces. We

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Speaker 4: also try to cut the enemy's communications. We block their

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Speaker 2: Cider Scrap's broken up between Harris and Trump over the

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Speaker 2: rules of the debate and whether they will infect be debate.

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Speaker 5: Why do did you do something like I'm doing right now?

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Speaker 5: She can't talk. We can't have another dummy as a president. Okay.

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Speaker 6: The truth is.

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Speaker 5: They're trying to get out of it because she doesn't

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Speaker 2: They're in London, another fire and a tall apartment building,

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Speaker 4: Clearly it's going to require a very complex investigation, not

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Speaker 2: Which brings back memories of Grinfell and listens learned or not.

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Speaker 7: It's likely to happen when you've got over three thousand

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Speaker 2: Finally, cost of fish and chips is on the rise

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Speaker 2: Single portion of the fish and chips. Listen to this,

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Speaker 6: The world in nineties.

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Speaker 2: And then the Canadians come to play. They copied the Americans.

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Speaker 2: Mind you. The Americans got to the Canadians and said,

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Speaker 2: steel and Aluminium. Twelve minutes past six.

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Speaker 2: Great debate, Ober Jerome Powell, the Fed Weather. He's left

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Speaker 2: it too late with the Americas in recession, all the

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Speaker 2: an indication is an uptick in the sausage demand later

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Speaker 2: sign of consumers tightening their belts. Modest growth in the

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Speaker 2: dinner sausage category. This is from the Dallas Federal Reserve

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Speaker 2: Texas Manufacturing Outlook Survey. No less category tends to grow

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Speaker 2: when the economy we can spying sausages. Things aren't good.

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Speaker 6: Kellah, good morning, very good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Those Deal and Tube are given. The construction sector not

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Speaker 7: No, no, look, we're still working our way through the

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Speaker 7: So it looks like they are managing their costs fairly efficiently.

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Speaker 7: Now, Mike, there's a term we're hearing a lot of

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Speaker 6: That is going to continue.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about some s it Yeah, retirement village sector.

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Speaker 7: Been tough going in that sector, Mike, you' see mixed

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Speaker 6: So that's over the last seven years.

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Speaker 7: So cost out also here drop their staff so fifty

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Speaker 2: Really okay numbers.

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Speaker 2: Just quickly back to the debate that may or may

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Speaker 9: Good morning, Mike. Isn't this terrifying?

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Speaker 9: Well, okay, so what the courts are saying is the

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Speaker 9: actually operating very similar to Uber. Now you've imagined this decision,

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Speaker 2: And the flow and affixes one thing, So I was

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Speaker 9: Oh, it's definitely going to affect other industries. While the

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Speaker 9: Can I read just a small couple of sentences from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense to me because

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Speaker 9: Unfortunately, it's because we're quite a social state. The begunions

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Speaker 2: So worry well, let's they go to the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprisingly you're agreeing with my Mike. Flexibility and

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Speaker 2: reform the whole thing. Micah. Uber is the direction for employment,

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Speaker 2: the nearly every bill in New Zealand now classified as employees. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean how far does it go. It's all open

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Speaker 2: to interpretation, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Six forty five International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance.

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Speaker 1: Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business Right Plant.

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Speaker 2: Captain Field, Very good morning to you.

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Speaker 10: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me just getter at you a couple

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Speaker 2: of quick questions. Reno government, there's a caretaker government in place.

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Speaker 2: Are people happy with the caretaker government? Are the ongoing

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Speaker 2: and urgent talks to try and get a new government,

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Speaker 2: and of those ongoing and urgent talks, are people genuinely

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Speaker 2: enthused to form a new government or are we just

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Speaker 2: happy with the status quo?

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Speaker 8: Oh gosh, sent a lot of questions off the bat.

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Speaker 8: There're like, oh, well, if you'd ask me that an

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Speaker 8: hour ago, I would have said, yeah, people are kind

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Speaker 8: of going along with it. But just in the last

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Speaker 8: hour we've had an announcement from French President Manuel Macron

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Speaker 8: that there's talks that he's been holding on Monday and

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Speaker 8: last Friday with all the representatives of the political parties

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Speaker 8: and the National Assembly have actually come to nothing, that

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Speaker 8: this paralysis is continuing. These two days of talks about

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Speaker 8: who will back who and who will be acceptable and

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Speaker 8: who will be tolerated has come to absolutely nothing. So

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Speaker 8: we're back to square one. He has said there's no

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Speaker 8: clear majority for someone from the far left or even

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Speaker 8: the respectable left because they are a minority. There's nowhere

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Speaker 8: of going forward there, So yeah, we have got nowhere.

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Speaker 8: The current government is kind of like but everyone's still

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Speaker 8: in this post Olympic buzz. It might people are still

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Speaker 8: very happy, some are still here. No one's really woken

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Speaker 8: up to the fact that this country does need to

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Speaker 8: have a government, and that a caretaking government is quite

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Speaker 8: restrained in the constitution. It can't, for example, do any

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Speaker 8: budget negotiations, can't change any laws. It really can just

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Speaker 8: be a caretaker. So we're all expecting the President to

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Speaker 8: come up with something, you know, within the last to

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Speaker 8: say he decided on a new prime minister.

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Speaker 15: But he hasn't.

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Speaker 8: He's now going to have another day of talks with

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Speaker 8: other parties from the center, center right and a few

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Speaker 8: of the hopefully center left. He says he will talk

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Speaker 8: about that, but then, of course on Wednesday we've got

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Speaker 8: the start of the Paralympics, so he'll be busy with

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Speaker 8: that all day, and then he's going to Serbia on

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Speaker 8: a visit for two days at the end of the week.

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Speaker 8: So I don't know when he's going to come up

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Speaker 8: with any ideas on a new prime minister. I'm afraid, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, we'll ask you. This is why you're on

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Speaker 2: every Tuesday. We'll ask you next Tuesday. Meantime, this bloke

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Speaker 2: they've nabbed Durov. Where does this go? I mean, is

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Speaker 2: it the French You've nabbed him on instruction from others

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Speaker 2: or the French just nabbed them because they want to

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Speaker 2: do and what are they going to.

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Speaker 6: Do with them?

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Speaker 8: Okay, this is Pavel Durov, this Russian born billionaire who's

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Speaker 8: the co founder of Telegram, which has some nine hundred

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Speaker 8: and fifty million monthly users on an encryption network. Is

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Speaker 8: actually the French who have nabbed him, Mike. They are

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Speaker 8: operating on a complaint from Organized Crime unit here in France. Essentially,

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Speaker 8: what they're saying is that his platform has failed to

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Speaker 8: regulate what is going on, and on top of that,

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Speaker 8: it has continually refused to cooperate with the authorities. In particular,

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Speaker 8: they are saying that Telegram has enabled illicit transactions that

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Speaker 8: is you, organized crime, fraud. It has allowed the dissemination

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Speaker 8: of child pornography. It has also promoted terrorism, and they

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Speaker 8: said that because they haven't put in place any of

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Speaker 8: the mechanisms for monitoring that, for regulating who goes on,

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Speaker 8: for actually stopping the sort of activity that he is

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Speaker 8: liable for it. So the Paris prosecutor just a couple

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Speaker 8: of hours ago said the investigation will be going on

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Speaker 8: to that he will still be held in custody here

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Speaker 8: in Paris until at least Wednesday, so that's at least

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Speaker 8: another forty eight hours. And it's just a way of

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Speaker 8: they say, showing that they do need to take this

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Speaker 8: fight against crime social media much more seriously and in

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Speaker 8: particular chance sexual abuse material that gets disseminated on these networks.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. All right, good catch up, Catherine, We'll see nextcuse

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Speaker 2: So Catherine Field out of France for US this morning.

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Speaker 2: So an Uber driver might can work whatever else they

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Speaker 2: like a week, zero hours, ten hours, sixty hours, and

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Speaker 2: can have more than one ride sharing app open and

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Speaker 2: running at a time. Who signs up and agrees to

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Speaker 2: a contractor can actually be an employee because it suits

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Speaker 2: them year right. I actually hope Uber pulls out of

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Speaker 2: the country. Well they won't, and not to defend what

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Speaker 2: the court have done here, but what the court have

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Speaker 2: done here is not unusual, and there's plenty of it

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Speaker 2: going on around the world, with the exception of California.

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Speaker 2: But I'll come back to that later and next down, Mike.

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Speaker 2: If the government can't get labor to pass legislation to

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Speaker 2: support oil and gas exploration, requiring a seventy percent majority

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Speaker 2: to overturn. No companies will come to the country. We

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Speaker 2: will become an importer of the inherent risk of relying

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Speaker 2: on foreign supply. That's one hundred percent correct. And if

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Speaker 2: you were watching Krysto ba Luckxon yesterday, he wants cross

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Speaker 2: party support. He won't get cross party support obviously, but

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Speaker 2: at least he gave it a COVID inquiry. Hopefully will

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Speaker 2: prevent a government ever becoming giddy with power light the

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Speaker 2: authoritarian labor government wrong. This is why we've got Brook

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Speaker 2: van Belden on the program. It's all very well to

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Speaker 2: have part two, and I'm all in favor of part

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Speaker 2: two because part one's are stitch up, but part two

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Speaker 2: is so loose around the edges that I don't know

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Speaker 2: what they'll come up with. So more on that in

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Speaker 2: the next hour as well. Nine Away from seven on

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Speaker 2: My Cost Breakfast with the Range Rover, Villa News Talks

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Speaker 2: Bikes Away from seven just we're on workplace law. Very

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Speaker 2: interesting decision in the US judges struck down the Biden

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Speaker 2: administration ban on work a non compete agreement. So this

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Speaker 2: is a federal judge in Texas. So he's barred the

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Speaker 2: Federal Trade Commission the FTC and the rule they wanted

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Speaker 2: to take effect would band employee ers from requiring their

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Speaker 2: workers to sign non competes. In other words, non compete

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Speaker 2: means you can't leave it across the road to the competitor.

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Speaker 2: It was scheduled to go into effect September four. It's

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Speaker 2: now effectively blocked. This is Aida Brown, US District judge

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Speaker 2: in Dallas. FTC does not have the authority to ban

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Speaker 2: practices it deems unfair methods of competition by adopting broad rules,

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Speaker 2: and so the court concludes that the FTC lacks statutory

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Speaker 2: authority to promulgate the noncompete rule, and that the rule

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Speaker 2: is arbitrary and capricious. Thus, the FTC's promulgation of the

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Speaker 2: rule is an unlawful agency action. The rule is hereby

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Speaker 2: set aside and shall not be enforced or otherwise take

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Speaker 2: effect on September four, twenty twenty four, or thereafter. So

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Speaker 2: the more liberal your government, the more they want to

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Speaker 2: interfere in your life, and the less choice they want

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Speaker 2: to allow you. And that's why the unions love them.

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Speaker 2: Of course, because Heaven for bids you should make up

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Speaker 2: your own mind as to how you're employed and what

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Speaker 2: the rules of engagement are. We need courts to do

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Speaker 2: that and we need unions to look after you. Apparently

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Speaker 2: five away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Are the outs. It's the fizz with business Fiber, take

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Speaker 1: your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Little bit of insights wanting you too, how businesses are

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Speaker 2: feeling here at the moment. We've got a consultancy firm

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Speaker 2: Business Changing, and they release their latest state of the

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Speaker 2: Nation report as survey two hundred and thirty nine business owners.

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Speaker 2: So what have we got? Seventy seven percent reckon the

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Speaker 2: current economic time is having a more dramatic impact on

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Speaker 2: their business than the COVID years. Seventy seven percent. That's extraordinary,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. Sixty which is why we're having Part two

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Speaker 2: of the COVID inquiry. Of course, sixty three percent think

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Speaker 2: right now is the hardest time they've ever seen. It

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Speaker 2: was still in Tube that Andrew was telling us about

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Speaker 2: earlier on the main issues are getting customers to buy,

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Speaker 2: no getting managing cash flow, cost increases from supplies and

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Speaker 2: high interest rates. They're cutting back these businesses as well

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Speaker 2: as seventy five percent directively cutting costs this year, which

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Speaker 2: is up from sixty three percent last year and fifty

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Speaker 2: five percent the year before. That trend's going the wrong way.

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Speaker 2: Little bit of bright news. A net seven percent of

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Speaker 2: feeling negative about the economy for the rest of the year.

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Speaker 2: That's a net seven but it was twenty two percent

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Speaker 2: last year, and it was fifty four percent and twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, so that's moving in the right direction. So

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Speaker 2: we'll take that. Eighty percent have confidence in the government

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Speaker 2: to get us through. That's encouraged, which is probably why

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Speaker 2: the Poles are saying what the Poles are saying at

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Speaker 2: the moment. A year ago it was only fifteen percent,

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Speaker 2: and before that it was twenty six percent, so it's

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Speaker 2: gone from twenty six out of fifteen back up to

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Speaker 2: eighty So that is encouraging for the Prime Minister. Christ

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Speaker 2: of the Luxtion News with us after seven thirty. What

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Speaker 2: we didn't get yesterday and the postcap press conference which

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Speaker 2: I watched on your behalf was a definitive explanation. As

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Speaker 2: they're clearing the way they're flipping the oil and gas band.

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Speaker 2: We know all that stuff, but they're clearing the way

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Speaker 2: regulatorily speaking to import LNG, that is going to take

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Speaker 2: a year. Now, why it takes a year to shuffle

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Speaker 2: aside a bit of red tape and paperwork. I've got

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Speaker 2: no idea, but that's why we got the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: and here's with us after seven thirty the.

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Speaker 1: Breakfast show you can trust the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: al Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News, Tog said.

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Speaker 2: B seven past seven. So the government moving on this

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Speaker 2: energy sector to try and sure up the supply. Part

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Speaker 2: of it is getting the regulation out of the way

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Speaker 2: so we can get the LNG into the country. Port

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Speaker 2: Taranaki's part of it. Particul A picture of the boss

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Speaker 2: of Simon Kratik is well a Simon, very good morning

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Speaker 2: to you. Good morning make Did it surprise you to

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Speaker 2: learn yesterday from the minister that's going to take them

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Speaker 2: a year to get regulation out of the way, And

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Speaker 2: if so, why is that?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 16: It didn't surprise me. I mean, I think the challenges

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Speaker 16: that these projects are large and complex. What we're doing

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Speaker 16: here at the port is looking at how we can

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Speaker 16: play a role and stand up a solution that's low

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Speaker 16: cost and high capacity. But we'll just have to wait

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Speaker 16: for all of the industry to get together and the

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Speaker 16: enabling regulations.

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Speaker 2: To be put in place, which is what I was

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Speaker 2: going to ask Channel or is interested there? The Marsden

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Speaker 2: people Genesis, I think are also interested. Is everybody coordinating

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Speaker 2: or you or all in it saying well, this is

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Speaker 2: an opportunity for our bottom line, so we'll get stuck in.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think there's definitely a coalition of the willing

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Speaker 16: who can see the benefits of LNG import. It seems

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Speaker 16: like the gas industry Company is for the logical coordinating body,

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Speaker 16: and I think that coordination really needs to kick off

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Speaker 16: and contact with the major players that would be interested

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Speaker 16: in it. And we're looking at the benefits of our location,

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Speaker 16: and it's fair to say there's a range of options,

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Speaker 16: but we think our existing infrastructure, available capacity, proximity the

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Speaker 16: Male gas pipeline, and potential connection to existing underground gas

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Speaker 16: storage means we've got a number of benefits for our location.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, if they said this afternoon, go how quickly could

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Speaker 2: you make it happen?

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Speaker 16: Well, I think everyone naturally focuses on the port infrastructure

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Speaker 16: as part of the technical solution. But it's fair to say,

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Speaker 16: the commercial considerations are very broad, so I think our

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Speaker 16: part of the physical infrastructure is actually relatively straightforward. Alergy

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Speaker 16: has changed a lot in the last twenty years. Most

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Speaker 16: of the infrastructure now floats on the floating storage and

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Speaker 16: regas vessels, so the pored infrastructure can be quite simple.

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Speaker 16: We think we can stand that up in around eighteen months,

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Speaker 16: but it's fair to say the lead time for vessels

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Speaker 16: could be longer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And so would you be in a better position

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Speaker 2: than many other ports like Marsden or Channel as they

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Speaker 2: call themselves, or any other port round the country to

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Speaker 2: make this happen quicker or not?

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Speaker 16: It depends on scenario. We think we're well placed to

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Speaker 16: deliver on small scale lerg rapidly. As you scale up

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Speaker 16: the port would require more modifications. But then you have

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Speaker 16: to go back and say, what's the market scenario that

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Speaker 16: we're trying to meet? How much gas, how often? The

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Speaker 16: what flow rate? So those inputs are critical to a

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Speaker 16: port solution.

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Speaker 2: Have you got a view on that, because what I

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Speaker 2: couldn't get out of the government yesterday and they didn't

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Speaker 2: seem to know, was once you get this up and running,

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Speaker 2: you presumably want to have it part of the mix permanently,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to a shortstop solution.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think that those assumptions are critical. I think

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Speaker 16: I heard John Carnegie say this morning that everyone wants

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Speaker 16: to get a return on this investment. So the question

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Speaker 16: is what's the short term? Is this a stop gap,

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Speaker 16: intermiscient solution for dry years, does it become more of

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Speaker 16: a feature of the gas market, and does it go

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Speaker 16: away once renewable stand up? I think those are the

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Speaker 16: key questions.

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Speaker 2: While I've got you. I don't know if it's anywhere,

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Speaker 2: but this method X thing, for example, is does that

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Speaker 2: affect you badly?

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Speaker 16: Yes, it does. Methanole's the biggest trade through the port,

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Speaker 16: so when methinx stops producing, that definitely affects our business.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking at your result yesterday. You gave a

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Speaker 2: nice dividend to the local council and everything. So all

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Speaker 2: of these things are interrelated, and I'm not sure that

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Speaker 2: people necessarily understand that. So methodics selling something off to

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Speaker 2: somebody else, they're doing well, good on them, but you're not.

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Speaker 2: So there's a problem, isn't it.

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Speaker 18: Well, yeah, it's a.

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Speaker 16: Problem for us. We're obviously here to serve our customers,

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Speaker 16: So we're you know, we support whatever our customers need

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Speaker 16: to do, but it definitely does hurt our business, and

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Speaker 16: you know, we have to think off to the medium

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Speaker 16: term around what does our business look like. It's going

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Speaker 16: to have to transition as well. So we're looking at

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Speaker 16: supporting optional whind renewable projects that they go ahead and various.

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Speaker 6: Other things that offshore.

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Speaker 2: When they talked about yesterday, how real is that if

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Speaker 2: it takes them a year to get rid of regulation

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Speaker 2: on LNG, how long is it going to take them

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Speaker 2: to build a mass windmill out to see.

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Speaker 16: Well, they are very large projects, giggle wattscale projects, They

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Speaker 16: take a long time. But I think you know, the

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Speaker 16: point we keep making is if New Zealand wants to

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Speaker 16: have the option on doing offshore wind, what you need

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Speaker 16: is the right port infrastructure. We look around the world

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Speaker 16: and we see nothing happens and off sure wind without ports.

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Speaker 16: And I think that's up to debate whether the pipeline

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Speaker 16: bonds for renewables is going to be sufficient or whether

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Speaker 16: offshore will be required, But we certainly want to stand

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Speaker 16: ready if it is required.

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Speaker 2: Rod Stuff, Simon appreciate the insight. Simon Cratick who's the

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Speaker 2: the port Taranak and CEO endlessly fascinated by this twelve

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Speaker 2: and is past seven Also in this actually the COVID

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Speaker 2: Royal Commission. So we now got the terms of reference

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Speaker 2: for Phase two. Use of vaccines and lockdowns will be investigated.

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Speaker 2: Also whether a reasonable balance was struck between public safety

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Speaker 2: and economic disruption. The Internal Fairs Minister Brooklyn Belden's in

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Speaker 2: Chargeable Thisten, is with us.

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Speaker 10: Good morning, godn'y mate.

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Speaker 2: Grant Illingworth, k C, Judith Kavanah and Anthony Hill. Who

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Speaker 2: are they and why do you pick them?

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Speaker 19: Well?

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Speaker 10: I picked some because I think they're all outstanding news

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Speaker 10: yonders who have broad ranges specialization within a litigation. Grant

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Speaker 10: Illingworth Casey is a highly regarded been through all aspects

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Speaker 10: of the Privy Council, Supreme Court, Court of Appeal, done

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Speaker 10: lots of litigation cases and brings that skill set to

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Speaker 10: the table. Judy Cavana decades worth of experience in economics

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Speaker 10: and Anthony Hill a huge experience in public health. And

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Speaker 10: this is the broad range of skills that should be

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Speaker 10: looking into what we should do from here to have

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Speaker 10: lessons learned for a future pandemic looking at the decisions

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Speaker 10: made by the previous government. Now, one thing I want

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Speaker 10: to make really clear is this is what Act campaigned on.

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Speaker 10: It's what we're now delivering. But it's been based on

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Speaker 10: what key we's wanted, which was to expand the terms

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Speaker 10: of reference based on what we didn't believe was adequately

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Speaker 10: addressed in what's now phase one of the commission into

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Speaker 10: the vaccine mandates, which we know had a huge detrimental

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Speaker 10: impact of people who weren't able to go to their

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Speaker 10: family member's funerals for example, of work, but also people

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Speaker 10: concerned it what that impact had on their children's education,

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Speaker 10: being able to have business activity. Whether or not we've

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Speaker 10: got that balance right between people not being able to

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Speaker 10: get briefleeted we didn't.

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Speaker 2: We're living in the third recession in two years, where

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Speaker 2: one of the most hopeless economies in the world. But

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Speaker 2: here's your question when you talk to them about a

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Speaker 2: reasonable balance, define reasonable balance, and.

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Speaker 10: That's what the commissioners will have to weigh up. Were

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Speaker 10: the decisions that were taken by the government at the

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Speaker 10: time based on information that the government was presented. Did

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Speaker 10: they use that information or did they discard it? What

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Speaker 10: was that balance versus what other countries and jurisdictions were

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Speaker 10: doing and whether or not they actually got it right. Now,

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Speaker 10: I know a lot of New Zealanders will say, no,

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Speaker 10: we didn't get it right. But what we're asking these

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Speaker 10: three commissions to do is delve into the facts and

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Speaker 10: come up with recommendations for the future. They'll be independent,

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Speaker 10: going away for over a year, getting evidence, bringing submissions

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Speaker 10: from members of the public who I hope we'll be

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Speaker 10: able to submit their thoughts on this inquiry too, and

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Speaker 10: actually come to the truth of the matter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, super quick, is your labor reform going to sort

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Speaker 2: the you the case and cases like it or not?

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Speaker 10: But I can't talk about any particular case that might

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Speaker 10: be before the courts. But what we are clear on

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Speaker 10: is that even this court case has created uncertainty for

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Speaker 10: contractors by and large in our economy. What I'm hoping

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Speaker 10: to do is create a bit of clarity between what

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Speaker 10: is that divide between an employee and a contractor, so

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Speaker 10: that businesses and workers can actually have more certainty on

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Speaker 10: those barriers.

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Speaker 2: Good, go well with it, Brook van Velden, Internal Affairs Minister.

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Speaker 2: It is fifteen past seven.

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Speaker 1: The like asking breakfast full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: Chris Blaxen shortly eighteen past seven. Some question marks around

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Speaker 2: the financial health of our universities this morning, paperwork from

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Speaker 2: the Tertiary Commission to the Tertiary Minister suggests, among other things,

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Speaker 2: Massy and Victoria, for example, the books are seen as

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Speaker 2: high risk Universities New Zealand Chief Executive Chris William with

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Speaker 2: us on this Chris Morning to you, Good morning. They

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Speaker 2: don't agree how open to interpretation is all of this?

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Speaker 17: Looked like everything? These are large, complex organizations. There's a

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Speaker 17: lot of leaders that they can pull. The one leaver

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Speaker 17: they can't pull as government funding, and of course government

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Speaker 17: controls about seventy percent of their funding, so they've got

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Speaker 17: a lot of choice around expenditure and they're making those choices.

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Speaker 17: But like most of these things, that comes down to

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Speaker 17: a conversation with government.

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Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, because I can see that

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Speaker 2: I can believe figures right, eight universities with a collective

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Speaker 2: debt of forty two million?

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Speaker 6: Is that right?

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Speaker 17: That'd be right? Not talking about you, yeah, well that's right.

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Speaker 17: You're talking about universities that are turning over about four

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Speaker 17: billion dollars a year, but doesn't mean they're not under

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Speaker 17: a lot of pressure. Their costs are continuing to go

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Speaker 17: up and funding unfortunately isn't okay.

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Speaker 2: So for a budgeting a deficit to a break even

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Speaker 2: to a surplus, some of them paperwork suggests that this

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Speaker 2: is heroic in their estimations. Do you accept that or not?

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Speaker 6: Really?

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Speaker 17: Look hard to tell. Every university has a council. Councils

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Speaker 17: contain independent members and you know, their job is to

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Speaker 17: ensure that there is a realistic financial view of how

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Speaker 17: universities are fairing. Of course they're running upside and downside

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Speaker 17: scenarios good and bad, you know, and they're all trying

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Speaker 17: to manage their way through what is a very tough

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Speaker 17: financial situation.

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Speaker 2: Exactly how much of this is about international students and

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Speaker 2: they haven't come back and the money didn't come with them.

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Speaker 17: Actually, it's less about that the international students have come back.

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Speaker 17: We had a few problems earlier this year with real

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Speaker 17: bottomnecks around immigration visa pro and it looks like they're

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Speaker 17: going to be fixed for future years. So there are

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Speaker 17: some students that just couldn't get here. But actually the

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Speaker 17: numbers are looking good. We're almost back to pre COVID devils.

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Speaker 2: Okay, nice to talk to you. Appreciate it very much,

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Speaker 2: Chris Wheeler, I'm glad we've got that number right. Eight universities.

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Speaker 2: Think of the size of the university and they've got

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Speaker 2: forty two million dollars worth of DIN. I mean, really

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Speaker 2: UBA drivers have won their cases. You will aware on

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Speaker 2: this appeals court. The appeals court agrees with the employment court,

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Speaker 2: which is where it started, that Uber drivers should be employees,

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Speaker 2: not contractors. Now, other courts in other countries have broadly

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Speaker 2: come down on the same lines, but as I told

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Speaker 2: their highest court there agreed with the people, and the

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Speaker 2: people had voted in a proper proposition that drivers should

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Speaker 2: be contractors because that's what drivers signed up to. So

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Speaker 2: you can ask the question, I suppose is democracy right

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Speaker 2: as it in California or is the court right? Isn't here?

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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 2: The court heres said the critical point is think that

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00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: while the driver is logged into the driver app, that

872
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: driver has no opportunity to establish any business goodwill of

873
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: their own. Now I guess that's true. I guess, but

874
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense to me. In a pure gig model,

875
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: you get to choose right, you work, you don't work.

876
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: It's about flexibility the moment you're an employee. Yes, you

877
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: get leave, but you also lose some control. Despite what

878
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: the court and the four drivers think, some people actually

879
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: like flexibility and freedom. Drivers, the court said, couldn't bargain

880
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: with Uber, and that is of course correct. But that's

881
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 2: the whole point of a gig deal. The gig deal

882
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: is predicated on the idea that if the deal is

883
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: so bad, no one's going to work for them. And

884
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: the counter to the no bargain and all the other

885
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: lack of overarching rules and regulations. Is it simple to

886
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: take it or leave it. That's what it is. It's

887
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: a take it or leave it proposition. If you find

888
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: it too egregious, don't take it. If you want a

889
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: union and industrial action and pay agreements, and time and

890
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Speaker 2: liew and stop work meetings be a teacher or a nurse.

891
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: The tricky part, now, apart from the fact Uber will

892
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Speaker 2: take it to the Supreme Court, which they should, is

893
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Speaker 2: that the government are reviewing this workplace relations as we

894
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: mentioned with Brooker Marma ago, and given it's driven by

895
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Speaker 2: Act I, suspect it will be looking to free things

896
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: up a bit in this court case and its decision

897
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: may well be a victim of what eventually gets past

898
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: us law. No we don't, I get it. No, we

899
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: don't want seven year olds going down minds or up chimneys.

900
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: Hence we need protections. But it's not Victorian England. It's

901
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: New Zealand twenty twenty four. And if you choose to

902
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: be your own person, all power to you, and the

903
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: courts can stay out of your life. Asking why not

904
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: ask why the COVID Stage two inquiry doesn't cover where

905
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: all the money went? And was there any justification for

906
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: the spinabile it does it will, Daniel, don't panic about that.

907
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: I've changed my mind a little bit on that. I

908
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Speaker 2: was a bit unsure about an adversarial approach and this

909
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: one isn't part one or Part two and I'm concluding

910
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: it should be, because here's what's going to happen. As

911
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: much as I wish it was different. These guys will

912
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: write part two, and the current guys will write part one,

913
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: and we'll have Part one and part two and there

914
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: it is. Now, do you think a government's going to

915
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: listen to that? Do you think Labor's going to read that?

916
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: You think they're going to flick a copy to Jacinda

917
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: at Harbor and she's going to read it, and she's

918
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: going to go, my word, I didn't realize what a

919
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: cockup i'd made. Goodness make I'll never do that again.

920
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: None of it's going to make any difference whatsoever. Whereas,

921
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: at least in an adversarial approach, which is what they're

922
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: running for the example, in the UK, you get the

923
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: people who made the decisions, the Addourns, the Hepkins, the Bloomfields,

924
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Speaker 2: and you get them in front of people who and

925
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: you make them answer some questions, you get them to

926
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Speaker 2: explain themselves, and at least we're at that point we

927
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: can all see what they were thinking at the time

928
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 2: and whether or not, I mean, we know it didn't

929
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Speaker 2: work out properly, we know, I mean, you don't have

930
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Speaker 2: three recessions in two years and then go, oh, well,

931
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: work really well, didn't Mike. Let's not forget the John

932
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: Key's government promoted and encouraged and allowed the exploration of

933
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: oil and gas. These offshore companies came then left, not

934
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Speaker 2: because the opposition, but because they could not find any

935
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: significant commercially viable gas or authors. You're running the environmentalist line.

936
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Speaker 2: It's partially true. It is true to say that not

937
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Speaker 2: a lot of gas has been found, but it's more

938
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Speaker 2: true to say that the government decision labor had a

939
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: chilling effect. They stopped drilling, stopped investing, and they handed

940
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Speaker 2: them their licenses and they went to some of the

941
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Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five other countries around the world

942
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Speaker 2: that still allow you to drill for oil and gas.

943
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Speaker 2: More on this with Christopher Luxen.

944
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: Next Big Us Bold Opinions The mic Hosking Breakfast with

945
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Speaker 1: the range Rover be La designed to intrigue and use

946
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Speaker 1: togs hed been what.

947
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Speaker 2: If weeks away from Mate Ellison Moyer hasn't done anything

948
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Speaker 2: for eight years. New album's coming and a tour which

949
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: includes New Zealand teams will us after Day The Classman

950
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: Times to use the modern Christopherluckson joins us, ponding to you,

951
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike, see today very well. Indeed, give us

952
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: the what I didn't get out of your press conference yesterday.

953
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: This business of LNG and clearing the regulation that Simming

954
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: and kept talking about in the winter of twenty five.

955
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: Why don't we just speak English? Why does it take

956
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: you twelve months to clear red tape and regulation to

957
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: bring a bit of gas into the country.

958
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Speaker 19: Well, I think I'll be faster than one year. There's

959
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 19: two parts to it. Most of the time, frankly, is

960
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 19: getting it's quite complex time to get the engineering in place,

961
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Speaker 19: whether it's put into a porter, whether it's actually put

962
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Speaker 19: into an offshore or a place that can pipe it

963
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Speaker 19: in from a ship. So you know, there's actually an

964
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Speaker 19: engineering solution that takes a little bit of time to

965
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Speaker 19: get right.

966
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Speaker 9: We will.

967
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 19: We're working now with the Gas Industry Company and that

968
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Speaker 19: basically has to get all the regulations cleaned up so

969
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 19: we can then push it through Parliament and get the

970
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 19: legislation sorted in less than six months. And then what

971
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 19: we do from there is then get obviously into the

972
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Speaker 19: engineering solution and get it in place next year. So

973
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 19: you know, that's really important because you know, as you know,

974
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 19: we've just had a massive you know, less loss of

975
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 19: you know, I guess a New Zealand.

976
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, indeed, and this was not probably yesterday either.

977
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Speaker 2: Once you get LNG into the country, does that, given

978
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Speaker 2: the infrastructural issues concerned, does that then become a permanent

979
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: and ongoing part of the supply mix. Could well be.

980
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 19: But what we also hope overturning the oil and gas

981
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 19: band is that will get local expiration happening as well.

982
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 19: But at the moment, the global spot price for LNG

983
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 19: would be cheaper over to the editors and local domestic

984
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 19: pot price for gas obviously, and there's such a shortage

985
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 19: of it here in New Zealand. So we want to

986
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Speaker 19: have that flexibility and that security by actually having an

987
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 19: ability to import al G in fifty countries do around

988
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Speaker 19: the world. We shouldn't have to because frankly, we've got

989
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 19: gas here in New Zealand that we should be able

990
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Speaker 19: to pull out, you know, domestically, do you yeah.

991
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 2: Because part of the argument on gas as yes, I know, labor,

992
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: I get all of that, and I understand it. But

993
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of exploration up until that point

994
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: and not a lot of gas found.

995
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 19: Yeah, I just say like that, before the gas ban happened,

996
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 19: I think it was like eighty eight thousand square kilometers

997
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 19: of exploration acreage under permit day. You know, it's only

998
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 19: six thousand, and there's been a massive you know, with

999
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 19: that band that's had very much an effect where if

1000
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 19: you're a potential global investor wanting to do exploration in

1001
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 19: New Zealand, you hear the band, you say, all cheap

1002
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 19: as I'm out of here, I'll go to one of

1003
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 19: the other countries around the world that actually wants me

1004
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 19: and actually, to be honest, Mike Insidda, when I sat

1005
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 19: down with the investors, high energy prices was one of

1006
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 19: the major concerns of potential international investors into New Zealand

1007
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Speaker 19: as well. So yeah, I don't buy that argument. We

1008
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 19: should be exploring as much domestic gas as we possibly

1009
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 19: can and also have the flexibility to import it when

1010
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 19: we desperately need it, and that as an option.

1011
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 6: So the point turn all the taps on.

1012
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: The only point I'm making is exploring, isn't finding. Exploring

1013
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: is just looking.

1014
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 19: Sure, But I think when you've sent the message pretty

1015
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 19: chaostically into an international investor market to say yeah, we

1016
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 19: don't really like you and or oil and gas exploration.

1017
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 19: There's plenty of other countries to go do that. And

1018
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 19: when you've got choices, and we've got to make the

1019
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 19: environment to give people confidence to do that. And that's

1020
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 19: why we are changing those settings, setting them out so

1021
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 19: that people can come in and actually have confidence that

1022
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 19: they're not going to be disrupted and have the whole

1023
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 19: world turned upside down.

1024
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 18: On them again.

1025
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: Okay, and given you guys went to some great lens,

1026
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 2: particularly swimming, and to say this is a supply side issue,

1027
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: Increase the supply will solve the problem. Does that then

1028
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: mean you're comfortable with the Gen Taylor mix. In other words,

1029
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: they're not gouging, they're not robber barons that if you

1030
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: get supply it will solve the problem.

1031
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1032
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 19: Look, I mean he's going to look into that now.

1033
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 19: There's some work being done now, I think by the

1034
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 19: Commerce Commission as well as the work that he wants

1035
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 19: to do to make sure we've got the settings right.

1036
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 19: But I agree with him, but it is definitely a

1037
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 19: supply problem. I mean, when you kill gas and we

1038
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 19: live in a country that is in a record dry year,

1039
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 19: you've got to have gas for decades. I mean that

1040
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 19: is reality. It's a transitionary fuel source for us. Until

1041
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 19: we double the amount of renewables, that'd be great.

1042
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 16: We've got to do that, and we also have to

1043
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 16: have gas.

1044
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 19: So it's really just about opening up all the taps

1045
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 19: as much as possible, throw the kitchen sink at it,

1046
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 19: and do everything we can to get abundant, affordable energy

1047
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 19: in place in New Zealand. I mean, there's no reason

1048
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 19: why we shouldn't, and we have plenty of natural resources

1049
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 19: in this country.

1050
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: Are you active enough as a shareholder with the Gin

1051
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: Taylors or not?

1052
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 19: Yeah, I think we are, and I think you also

1053
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 19: an im on their level of profitability. But they also

1054
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 19: need confidence to invest because we want them and I

1055
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 19: know they will huge amounts of capital on actually doubling

1056
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 19: that renewable electricity in GS, thermal and wind and solar

1057
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 19: and all.

1058
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 16: The stuff that needs to happen.

1059
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 19: So, as I said, it is about making sure that

1060
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 19: we're giving people confidence, and that's what the announcement was

1061
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 19: about yesterday, was to say to many of those international

1062
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 19: investors who want to do the offshore engineering solution for

1063
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 19: LNG importation, who want to do exploration for gas, who

1064
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 19: actually want to know that I can go a huge

1065
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 19: number of the projects that Chris Bishop's looking at on

1066
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 19: the fast track approvals that people who want to do

1067
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 19: renewable projects. But actually the consenting times insane. It's absolutely insane.

1068
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 19: So let's just change the rules, extend the consents, all

1069
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 19: that good stuff on.

1070
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: The fasttrike, wind you back down on the ministerial signer.

1071
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 19: Well, I think it's just sort of trying to find

1072
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 19: the balance to sort of say. That makes it certainly

1073
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 19: a lot less legally complex, but it won't slow it

1074
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 19: down because there was always going to a panel before

1075
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 19: it would come to a minister anyway. And now that

1076
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 19: panel actually does the reviewer makes the decisions. And I

1077
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 19: think we've sort of got the balance right between the

1078
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 19: one stop shop nature of it, where you deal with

1079
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 19: all the legislation and you consent not just resource management,

1080
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 19: you know, if it's got a wildlife impact or something

1081
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 19: else that's dealt with, and it gives the public some

1082
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 19: confidence the process is fair and we actually get the

1083
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 19: projects built.

1084
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: Would you check it out?

1085
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Speaker 19: But no, not at Allways, we always said we'd take

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Speaker 19: some sensible changes, so that that change, I think is

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00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 19: a sensible change where it actually, you know, we ever

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Speaker 19: get confidence in the process that it's going to be

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Speaker 19: fair and straight, it'll be quick, and the panels have

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Speaker 19: to prioritize the economic considered.

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Speaker 2: For people who were moaning yesterday were the same people

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Speaker 2: moaning previously. You're never going to make them happy. Gary

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Speaker 2: Taylor of the Environmental see that you don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you build a bridge, he hates you. Squash

1095
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Speaker 2: a frog, he hates you. That's that's who they are.

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Speaker 2: So whether the minister takes it off for a panel

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Speaker 2: to make any difference.

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Speaker 19: Well, I mean, the key thing is we've just turned

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00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 19: this place into obstructive obstruction economy. So we've got to

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Speaker 19: get things moving and it will be a game changer.

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Speaker 19: And I appreciate there's lots of people protests the places

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Speaker 19: I go to, and it's all very interesting, but we

1103
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 19: are down well going to get things built. And so

1104
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 19: we've got the balance right here. And yes we've made

1105
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 19: a change around panel versus ministerial decision making, but you know,

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00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 19: at the end of the day, it's just that the

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Speaker 19: system getting moving for goodness sake.

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Speaker 2: Okay, nurses. I asked Chris Bishop. He didn't know, but

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00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: I watched this job fair over the weekend. Here hundreds

1110
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: and hundreds and hundreds of unemployed nurses turn up. They're immigrants.

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00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: They arrive in the country with a visa because we're

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Speaker 2: desperately short of nurses. They can't get a job because

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00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: no one's employing nurses. How is there such a chronic

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Speaker 2: mismatch between the visas we're handing out and the jobs

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00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: we're not giving.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, So on nurses for back up a little bit,

1117
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 19: because it has changed from sort of how it was

1118
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 19: in the last few years. There's actually been a massive

1119
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 19: improvement and nurse recruitment. We've got over I think it's

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Speaker 19: twenty nine thousand nurses in the system now. It makes

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Speaker 19: for a five thousand nurses from it we had last year,

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Speaker 19: so we've actually been able to recruit a lot of nurses.

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Speaker 19: We've also had less attrition and we've had a lot

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Speaker 19: less vacancies. All the vacancies have been dropping. So the

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Speaker 19: international nurses that came in under the previous government's open

1126
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 19: greenlist for general nurses, that basically that the other folk

1127
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Speaker 19: that you're talking about, there's still got to be a

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Speaker 19: role for then we've got to find a role for them,

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Speaker 19: because we've still short and specialist areas and regional New

1130
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Speaker 19: Zealand in different places. But we also have got a

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00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 19: huge emphasis and a good quantity coming through of home

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Speaker 19: grid nurses. That has to be our priority in this

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Speaker 19: case as well. So we still need specialist areas, general

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Speaker 19: nurses and specialist areas which we hope to be able

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Speaker 19: to deliver, but we also need some very specialist nurses

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Speaker 19: in general, which is why they still stay on our

1137
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 19: green list in that way. But the problem that the

1138
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 19: you know when we opened it in green list the

1139
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 19: previous administration, we brought in a whole lot of general nurses. Well,

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Speaker 19: actually we've done a very good job of recruitment, particularly

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Speaker 19: in the last nine months.

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Speaker 2: Or twelve months quickly on the Pacific where you're heading today.

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00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: The alban Eazy idea to run the specific policing initiative.

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00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: Are we on board with it, do we like it?

1145
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 2: And is it to quill China?

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00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 19: Well, look, it's very supportive, you know, well I'm very

1147
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 19: supportive of it. We'll obviously talk more about it in

1148
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 19: the week, but you know, we have a theories of

1149
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 19: policing programs both Australia and New Zealand, often jointly, often

1150
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 19: separately with individual Pacific countries for many years. We actually

1151
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 19: think it's important that the Pacific country chiefs of police

1152
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 19: sort of collectively can build their police and capability. You're

1153
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 19: seeing it now, you know, you saw it when I went,

1154
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 19: when I went to Fiji. You know, a year's worth

1155
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 19: of mesmphetamine stored in the ocean, floating in the ocean

1156
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 19: off the coast of Fiji going into Australia. A whole

1157
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 19: year supply for Australian drug trade. We've got a big

1158
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 19: problem with transnational crime, drugs, narcotics and US. We want

1159
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 19: to work with like minded countries in the Pacific on

1160
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Speaker 19: issues of policing and security.

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Speaker 2: All right, go, well, appreciate it very much. Christopher Lux

1162
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 2: and Prime Minister off to the Pacific Island Forum before

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Speaker 2: he comes back on Sunday. Then Flix back up to Malaysia,

1164
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: which means I don't think he's going to be with

1165
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Speaker 2: us next week. Fourteen to two.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It be Morning Mike. I protested against the Fast Track

1169
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: because of the ministerial power. I'm happy they've changed it.

1170
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Speaker 2: The goat satisfied customer, Mike. This country needs to get

1171
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: out of its head that we must change the world

1172
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: when it comes to being green, crippling our economy to

1173
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: make ourselves feel good. It's not a reasonable point, Mike.

1174
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: Why would oil and gas it'spend billion on a twitter

1175
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: year transition solution which could all fall apart whether the

1176
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: new Labour Green's government is elected. I suspect they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: shawan them while they have previously. And you've got to

1178
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: look at the style of labor government you're having. And

1179
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: this is why the Prome mister reached out yesterday for

1180
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: some cross party support, not that he'll get it. What

1181
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: we have in this country, unfortunately, is an extreme version

1182
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 2: of labor. If you look at the Labour Party in Australia,

1183
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 2: they're perfectly happy with gas because they understand, in fact,

1184
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: not only they're happy with gas or expanding gas exploration,

1185
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 2: because they understand that it's a tranditory situation that we're

1186
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: in and you need it. You might not like it,

1187
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: but you need it, and if you don't have it,

1188
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you're importing coal left, right

1189
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: and center or an Australia's case, digging up coal. So

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Speaker 2: it's the version of the labor party you currently have

1191
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: that's potentially the problem. Rental news. If you're a rent or,

1192
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: I have good news. If you're a landlord, I have

1193
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: bad news. Renterprice Index out this morning. It's down for

1194
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: the second month in a row. Has that been a

1195
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: while since that happened? You bet? It is six forty

1196
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Speaker 2: five down to six forty on average, first time in

1197
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 2: two years, back to back falls. Auckland's down one point

1198
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Speaker 2: four percent, which on a month a lot three percent

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Speaker 2: in hawks By four point eight in Taranaki and the

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Speaker 2: reverse Southland through the roof six point seven.

1201
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Speaker 6: For a month.

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Speaker 2: These will be they're a bit flaky. Month on a month,

1203
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: you're probably better off doing quarter on quarter. But nevertheless

1204
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: Southland six point seven percent up, Canterbury three point six

1205
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Speaker 2: and O Tigo's six point nine up. So it's a

1206
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: tale of two islands, as they say. Now, Liam Lawson,

1207
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Speaker 2: do I have news on him for you? Shortly nine

1208
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Speaker 2: to one.

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Speaker 6: My Costle breakfast with Bailey's.

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Speaker 2: How can you zee look at sending police to Fiji

1211
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Speaker 2: when we don't even seem to have enough our own.

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Speaker 2: Don't get that mixed up. So this is the Albanezy

1213
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: idea told you about a couple of days ago. It's

1214
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: been in the it's been in the works for a while.

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Speaker 2: They'll be based in Brisbane, specialist facility in Brisbane. The

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00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: collectively we'll all you know, chunk in and sort of

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00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: grow our own police force. The point being the Chinese

1218
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: assigning deal security deals with various places placed like the Solomons,

1219
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: and we want to cut them out. Not that we

1220
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: say it that overtly, of course, but essentially what's about.

1221
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: And so it's got the support. It'll be ticked off

1222
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Speaker 2: at the Leader's deal in the next couple of days

1223
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Speaker 2: and so it's completely separate.

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Speaker 15: So it's been lest people are resting people for vaping

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Speaker 15: in their cars, it's.

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Speaker 2: All wow, I don't think so they're all over that now.

1227
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson, I cannot tell you how much ink is

1228
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: being expressed by a various journalists around the world this

1229
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 2: morning on the very real prospect it appears increasingly So

1230
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Speaker 2: he's going to be at Monza this weekend racing for Williams.

1231
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Speaker 2: So I think the Herald tried to rule it out yesterday.

1232
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: I don't know where they got the information from, but

1233
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: it seems to be changing literally by the hour. So

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 2: from Speed Cafe, Lawson linked to shock if one return

1235
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: at Mons and Mons's this weekend Italy, multiple sources, James

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00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: vald has talked to Christian Horner. Christian Horner says this,

1237
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: it depends on which terms and if we needed him back,

1238
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: would we get him back now? Obviously that can work

1239
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: their way around that. That's not a problem. Certainly if

1240
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: they needed a driver next weekend, we'd be open to that.

1241
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: So that's Christian Horner logan sergeant replacement plan becomes clear

1242
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: as William's hold talks with F one start. This is

1243
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: the Express in Britain covering at this morning. Vows had

1244
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: talked with Horner over the possibility of bringing Liam Lawson

1245
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: into the team on a nine race loan. The only

1246
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: issue they would have and this is interesting, this obstacle,

1247
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: This is from last Word on sports dot com Liam Lawson.

1248
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: This obstacle could prevent a William's move, the obstacle being Perez,

1249
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: and they cite Perez is still under evaluation at RedBull.

1250
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: Now what's the story there? The story there is and

1251
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: it's an ongoing rumor that come Mexico. Post Mexico, they're

1252
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: gonna let Perees go. They're holding out to Mexico for

1253
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: obvious reasons. Post Mexico, they let him go. If they

1254
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: let him go, they suddenly need Lawsom back. Hence they

1255
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: don't let him go. On a nice nine race loan,

1256
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: red Bull gives green light Lawson on his way to Williams.

1257
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: This is this morning. GP Blog appears to be getting

1258
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: a second chance in Formula one. All signs are green.

1259
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: Williams would like to have a new driver in Sergeant's

1260
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: car as early as Monster, which of course is this

1261
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: weekend from Motorsport this Morning. The other name in the

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00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: mixus Mcschumacher. They and along with Lawson have appeared as

1263
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: the two major contenders. If it's good and this is

1264
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: the best one of all. This is from Helmet Marco

1265
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: no less when asked by Sky's Sport Overnight whether Liam

1266
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: Lawson would get permission to drive for Williams this season.

1267
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: If it's good for a young driver and he can

1268
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: gain some race experience, we wouldn't stand in his way,

1269
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: so Horner says it's okay. Marco says it's okay, which

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00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: is about the first time Marco and Horner rebever agreed

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00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 2: on anything. Certainly this year, as far as I can

1272
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: work out, it is entirely possible that Liam Lawson will

1273
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: be in a Williams this coming weekend in Italy, in Monza,

1274
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: and that would be worth watching. News is next, then

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00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: Ellison Moye, your.

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Speaker 1: Trusted source for news and views, the Mike Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial

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Speaker 1: and rural news togs edb.

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Speaker 2: To come back. It is seven past eight, Elison Moye,

1280
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: years back. It all began a long time ago, of course,

1281
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Speaker 2: with the Yazoo instant fame. A year later it all

1282
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: blew up. She went solo. Then it really took off,

1283
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Speaker 2: and here we are, twenty three million albums later, on

1284
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Speaker 2: a long gap between drinks with a new piece of

1285
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Speaker 2: works and the tour which includes some stops. Here all

1286
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Speaker 2: the details shortly, but firstly from Brighton in the UK,

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Speaker 2: Ellison Moyer, good morning, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 12: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: I was looking at your Radio two piano room. Does

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: the name Neil Finn mean anything to you? Crowded House

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Speaker 2: Split ends.

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Speaker 12: Yes, certainly, it certainly is a name. I don't know him,

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Speaker 12: but absolutely his name.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he was in the Radio two piano room a

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Speaker 2: couple of months ago when we talked to him on

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Speaker 2: the program and he said he was nervous as all

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Speaker 2: heck because it's done live. Was yours live?

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Speaker 12: No, it wasn't live.

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Speaker 20: It was a pre record, you know, So it's you know,

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Speaker 20: it's a live recording in terms of the fact that

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Speaker 20: it's done there with the orchestra and there's nothing there's

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Speaker 20: no jiggery pocria gas on, there's no editing, so it's

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Speaker 20: a live take, but it.

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Speaker 12: Was a pre record.

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Speaker 2: Are you happy with it? It was beautiful?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, know, I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 20: And I think the very fact that it doesn't go

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Speaker 20: out live at that minute it kind of really helps

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Speaker 20: me because otherwise, when it's live live, I just spend

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Speaker 20: the whole time thinking I'm going to forget the words,

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Speaker 20: going to forget the words, you know, and it just

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Speaker 20: really it's really stressful. So knowing the fact that if

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Speaker 20: you do mess up, you can go again is good.

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Speaker 20: And as it was, we didn't mess up, so you know,

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Speaker 20: I was laughing.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about your voice, it's got some magnificence.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing here is there's been a

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Speaker 2: gap between you know, records and tours and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But so it's been a while since I listened to you.

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Speaker 2: There's something's happened to your voice. There's a gravitas, a weight.

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Speaker 2: I don't know an age to it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think so there.

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Speaker 20: I just think there's a kind of a great and

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Speaker 20: you know, there's a greater understanding of it and a

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Speaker 20: greater understanding of language and how you want to use

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Speaker 20: it as an expressive instrument, you know.

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Speaker 12: And that you know it's less of a physical change

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Speaker 12: and more of.

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Speaker 20: An emotional change, just a greater understanding.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 20: It's like when you're young, you think it's all about

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Speaker 20: you think it's all about the kind of showboating or

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Speaker 20: the volume, and as you get older, you understand there's

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Speaker 20: so much more nuanced to emotion than that. Sometimes it

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Speaker 20: can be, you know, sometimes it can be a really

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Speaker 20: dead internal feeling. And it's about wanting to use that

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Speaker 20: instrument to all the different degrees and not just having

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Speaker 20: it on full on all the time.

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Speaker 2: So take me through this process. A gap between drinks

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Speaker 2: as they say, so we have some new music, will

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Speaker 2: have a you tour. How does that come about and

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Speaker 2: how emotionally do you deal with it?

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm someone that really responds to the day.

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Speaker 20: I mean, I hyper focused, but my hyper focus can

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Speaker 20: go all over the place.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 20: Right before I started a recording this album, for example,

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Speaker 20: I was at university, so I'd been at university for

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Speaker 20: four years before that. As it will kind of happen

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Speaker 20: with lockdown, everything seemed like a good time to actually

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Speaker 20: start my education, seeing as I left school at sixteen,

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 20: or else it might be in DIY, I might be

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01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 20: like really into building stuff. So I sort of like

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01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 20: decide what I'm going to do kind of a month

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Speaker 20: by month and then and then go with it. And

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Speaker 20: it felt high time I wanted to re engage with music.

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Speaker 20: I mean, I'm fully aware of my age and the

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Speaker 20: fact that that can stop at any time, you know,

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Speaker 20: any time. I might wake up one day and find

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Speaker 20: out I can't sing anymore, in which case, without any regret,

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Speaker 20: I'll just turn my focus somewhere else.

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Speaker 12: But whilst I'm on it, I want to do it. Also,

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Speaker 12: when I was in the middle of.

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Speaker 20: College, I went off to do it like a guest

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Speaker 20: slot with the Tears for Fears thing, and I hadn't

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Speaker 20: sung for a couple of years and it just really

1367
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Speaker 20: liked it. Singing live is my main focus, and so

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Speaker 20: everything I do in terms of recording is to direct

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Speaker 20: it towards the stage.

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Speaker 2: I've got the impression, correct me if I'm wrong over

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Speaker 2: the years having followed you that because you're so talented

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Speaker 2: at music, it always you enjoyed it, but it probably

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Speaker 2: came at too great a price at times. And if

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Speaker 2: you could have been less successful but still sung, that

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Speaker 2: would have suited you. Bet or is that fear or not?

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Speaker 12: No, I think that's absolutely fair.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 12: It's like I'm quite a cheap day.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 12: It's like I've never aspired to own lots of.

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Speaker 20: Things, and you know, I you know, I enjoy the

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Speaker 20: fact that I'm comfortable, but that's because I am then

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Speaker 20: in a position to say no. So the idea of

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Speaker 20: doing something just to be famous or to be recognized,

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Speaker 20: that that, to me is kind of like the downside

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Speaker 20: of it.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 12: That's that's like you say, that's the price you pay.

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Speaker 20: And that's not to disrespect anybody that supported me, because

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Speaker 20: I'm incredibly grateful for that. But I really do enjoy

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Speaker 20: just being a part of a community, part of a neighborhood.

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Speaker 18: You know.

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Speaker 20: I like living a regular life, and it's and it's

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Speaker 20: always a bit weird when someone sees you as other,

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Speaker 20: which like often people imagine that's what happens to you

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Speaker 20: when you become well known.

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Speaker 2: But that's the ideal, isn't it. Because there are so

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Speaker 2: many people who get famous, love fame, and then when

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Speaker 2: the fame goes, it's they don't know what to do

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Speaker 2: with themselves.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well I think they struggle.

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Speaker 20: I think you know, you see that with a lot

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01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 20: of people that they've had their big hit and they

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Speaker 20: do struggle from that lack of attention.

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Speaker 12: Well I kind of never.

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Speaker 20: Did because it's not like I was the great beauty

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Speaker 20: or someone that always attracted positive comment. You know, there's

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01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 20: always been a you know, there's always been quite a

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Speaker 20: task to being a bit of an addible being kind

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Speaker 20: of well known. So it's never the like it was

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Speaker 20: that much pleasure. But I think for those people when

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Speaker 20: they lose that platform, it becomes quite desperate for them.

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Speaker 20: So they're always thinking, you know, it's just I just

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Speaker 20: need the right song I just need the right song

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Speaker 20: for me. It's about I want the right song, but

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01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 20: I want the right song to please me. And sometimes

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Speaker 20: that suits a larger audience, and sometimes it doesn't garner

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Speaker 20: any attention at all, and that's kind of an irrelevance

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Speaker 20: to me. It's not what I'm searching after. So I

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Speaker 20: think if you are an artist and without wanting to

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Speaker 20: sound PONCEI, that is what I am. You know that

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01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 20: then you carry on working and you can and thinking,

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01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 20: you care and write and regardless about whether you've got

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Speaker 20: people watching you or not. So you know, a career

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Speaker 20: is a series of sin waves.

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Speaker 12: You know, you're going to go up, people.

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Speaker 20: Are going to notice, You're going to get a tension,

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01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 20: and then you're going to drop out of attention.

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Speaker 12: And that isn't always to do with the quality of

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Speaker 12: your work. You know, that's just about the zeitgeist.

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Speaker 20: And you know, I think that's fair enough because you know,

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01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 20: you can't expect to be centered for the whole of

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Speaker 20: your life.

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01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 12: But yeah, it's about your reason.

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01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 20: Why you're doing and if you're doing it to be

1436
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 20: if famous, then you're on a hide into nothing because

1437
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 20: no one cares about anyone for that long.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. Listen, hold on a couple of moments,

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Speaker 2: Elison Moye, whethers I'll give you the dates for the Auckland,

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Speaker 2: Wellington christ It shows next year? In a moment Elison

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Speaker 2: Moya more shortly thirteen past.

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Speaker 1: Eight The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on Iheard

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Speaker 1: Radio powered by News Talk Zippy News.

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Speaker 2: Talks sixteen past eight Elison Moye, The Gift Now listen.

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Speaker 2: Any trepidation about stipping out?

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01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 12: Oh, yeah, there's always there's always trepidation.

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Speaker 20: I think for me, the trepidation is based on the

1448
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Speaker 20: fact that, you know, I have been working for forty years.

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Speaker 12: I have been making music and evolving as an artist.

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Speaker 20: And obviously there are some people that are only going

1451
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 20: to know you for your hits, and that kind of

1452
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 20: comes into a couple of years.

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01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 12: So they have no idea of the trajecture you've been on.

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Speaker 20: So there is always that anxiety that sometimes people are

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 20: expecting a kind of act, and for someone like me,

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01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 20: they in some ways they can expect someone that's been

1457
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Speaker 20: quite you know, you know, a typical a romantic singer,

1458
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 20: which is is not what I am at all, and

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Speaker 20: so that could be shocking for them and so then

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Speaker 20: that's shocking for me. So it's kind of like one

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Speaker 20: of those home alone moments where you scream at yourself

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Speaker 20: in the mirror.

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Speaker 12: You know, you're both a bit like that. But then

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Speaker 12: at the same time.

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Speaker 20: I know I've also got you know, I have carried

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Speaker 20: with me a group of supporters that have gone along

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Speaker 20: that journey, and so you know, for them, I'm really

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Speaker 20: excited to be there for them because you know, I'm

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Speaker 20: very aware. You know, I'm quite mindful about the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 20: I'm getting older, granny and all these kind of things.

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Speaker 20: You know, touring is not going to be something that

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Speaker 20: has another forty years on top of it. So every

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Speaker 20: time I go on tour, I'm very aware that it

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Speaker 20: could be the.

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Speaker 12: Last time that I do it.

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Speaker 20: So just the thought that I could come out there

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Speaker 20: at least one more time and have a chance to

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Speaker 20: perform is you know, it's obviously an exciting thing to

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Speaker 20: be able to do. And you know, and I love

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Speaker 20: the country. I love I love seeing that difference and

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01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 20: the beauty in the air and just watching people running everywhere.

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Speaker 12: I just think is the most fantastic thing.

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Speaker 2: That's brilliant. It's a retrospective the album, it'self some new

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Speaker 2: you got some some reworks and then so so in

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Speaker 2: calling it a retrospective and looking back forty years, what

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Speaker 2: do you make of it all?

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Speaker 20: Well, it's it's it's kind of a funny thing because

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Speaker 20: it's it's not exactly retrospective.

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Speaker 12: It's it's kind of like a view. It's you know,

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Speaker 12: it's like a view.

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Speaker 20: Over the whole thing, which is why there's the point

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Speaker 20: of there being two new songs, because this is not

1493
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 20: like some kind of brackets, you know, this is the

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Speaker 20: other way that has that was.

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Speaker 12: It's it's this is the trajectory.

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Speaker 20: This is the journey that I am having and continue

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Speaker 20: to have. And like I say, you know that that

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Speaker 20: might only have a very short distance in the future,

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Speaker 20: but it's not something that's been tied off. It's like,

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Speaker 20: I'm a working artist and that's what I'm doing. And

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Speaker 20: there's also the fact that when you have been working

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Speaker 20: for forty years as a solo artist, there's going to

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Speaker 20: be a lot, you know, to be quite schismatic, that

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Speaker 20: kind of the changes in style and sound that happened

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Speaker 20: over the years. And so if you just take that

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Speaker 20: and reproduce it on stage, you can end up with

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Speaker 20: some nightmare karaoke monster you know that just just has

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01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 20: that has no identity of its own. And so the

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Speaker 20: whole purpose of choosing these songs, you know, they are

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Speaker 20: key songs, but they're by no means all of the

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Speaker 20: most important songs. For example, my last two albums that

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01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 20: I've done, you know, for me were really pretty great,

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Speaker 20: and I didn't need to delve into them. You know

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Speaker 20: that they're recent enough to stand as they are. But

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Speaker 20: the point is to pull in that whole body of

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Speaker 20: work in such a way that you can make it

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Speaker 20: a cohesive set so that when you then take those

1518
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Speaker 20: forty years on tour, you're you're performing a set that

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01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 20: sits together, you know, as I spose as opposed to

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Speaker 20: a karaoke nighte.

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Speaker 2: How did the study go, by the way, did you graduate?

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Speaker 2: Did you pass?

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Speaker 12: Yes?

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Speaker 14: I did.

1525
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Speaker 12: I got a first.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic and you're going to do anything with her? Or

1527
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: it was just an intellectual exercise.

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Speaker 11: No, no, what it was it was.

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Speaker 20: I did a degree in fine ite printmaking, and that's

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01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 20: kind of it was kind of been a bit of

1531
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Speaker 20: a be in my bonnet because I'd come from generations

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Speaker 20: of lithographic printers and I remember when I left school,

1533
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 20: because I left school at sixteen without any qualifications, and

1534
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Speaker 20: I remember saying to my dad, who was a Frenchman,

1535
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Speaker 20: so Doug le Giese, he learn that speak English in London,

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Speaker 20: so it's a funny old accent like he's Greek or something,

1537
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Speaker 20: you know, but you know it's a real patriarch. And

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01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 20: I said to him, you know, I really wanted to

1539
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Speaker 20: go into the print, and you know, he was horrified

1540
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Speaker 20: not not goose loot shop.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 20: So it was like one of those things that I

1543
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 20: was kind of forbidden to go into. So, you know,

1544
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 20: I've always been a little bit you know, persistent, and

1545
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 20: I thought one day I'm going to get around to it.

1546
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 20: So when Lockdown happened, and I say, I had a

1547
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 20: bit of a chip on my shoulder because I never

1548
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 20: did get an education, you know, did any further education,

1549
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 20: I thought I'd go for it and then kind of

1550
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 20: hope I focused into it and yes, and so consequently

1551
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 20: I did the artwork on the album, and I've also

1552
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Speaker 20: done a couple of the lyric videos with images that

1553
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 20: I've made working with someone who knows, you know, the

1554
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 20: technology has turned that into a movement film so yeah,

1555
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 20: I've moved that into my artwork and then when when

1556
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 20: I finished touring, no doubt then I should be going

1557
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Speaker 20: back into printing.

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Speaker 2: Then fantastic, Well it is my next year. We look

1559
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Speaker 2: forward to welcoming you back to New Zealand. Lovely to

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Speaker 2: catch up and talk with you, and I appreciate your time.

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Speaker 12: Very very much, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Key is the album and she's here in Auckland, Wellington.

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Speaker 2: Christ you it's May twenty one, twenty four, twenty six,

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Speaker 2: look forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Keir Starmer. It was the one I alluded to yesterday

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Speaker 2: which suggested he's going to do the whole Things are

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01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,839
Speaker 2: going to get worse before they get better. The growing

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Speaker 2: speculation is that things are going to get so much

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Speaker 2: worse we need to do something about it. And there's

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Speaker 2: something we're going to do about it might well be

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Speaker 2: some tax rises, which then brings back into play the election,

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Speaker 2: the promises made and whether what we're about to see

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Speaker 2: is an abdication of honesty. And so Ender Brady is

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Speaker 2: all over this, and he is with us after the news,

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Speaker 2: which is next you're at news talks.

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Speaker 12: He'd be.

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Speaker 2: He'd be trying to work my way through a bunch

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Speaker 2: of results that have just come to the market reporting season.

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01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: As Andrew Keller had told us earlier on tourism holdings,

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 2: will be a bit of interest in that, given the

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01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: tourism market in general, and of course their business of

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01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,560
Speaker 2: on selling their rental vehicles. Anyway, the upside of this

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01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: underlying net profit after tax to fifty one point eight

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01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 2: million dividend of five cents per sheer, continued growth in

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Speaker 2: the rental fleet up ten percent, So that's reasonable as

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Speaker 2: far as Victor is concerned. Three hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 2: million group net profit after tax for continued operation seventy

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Speaker 2: nine point nine million, sixty million impairment for the gas

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Speaker 2: distribution business final dividend of thirteen cents. Then we've got

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Speaker 2: good old enz Me, which is the parent company of

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Speaker 2: this particular radio station. Seems to be a not unreasonable result,

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Speaker 2: especially given the fragmented and fragile media market in this country.

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01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: At the moment. There's a profit at one point nine million,

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Speaker 2: increase in operating revenue, in digital revenue to fifteen million,

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Speaker 2: or fifty point one million up five point nine million.

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 2: One roof has made a profit, which is good. The

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Speaker 2: listings on one roof the inquiries increased by twenty nine percent.

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01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: Digital listing's revenues grown by sixty three These are good numbers.

1645
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 2: Digital audio revenues up thirty three percent, podcast revenues up

1646
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 2: sixty eight percent. Streaming radio revenue has also increased sixteen percent.

1647
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 2: So looks reasonably bullish. There are plenty of people in

1648
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 2: the media market losing money. It doesn't appear to be

1649
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 2: one of them. Twenty two minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with insign Eye Insurance Peace of mind for

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Speaker 1: New Zealand business and we.

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Speaker 2: Are in the Brady very good money to you.

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Speaker 18: Good morning, Mike, good to speak to you again.

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Speaker 2: You too, and the sweets that Sakia is running, it's

1655
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: going to get worse before it gets better. We get

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01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 2: a little what chance. We've got some text talking here

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 2: one percent.

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Speaker 18: Yes, so we've had a public holiday today, but all

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 18: of the papers here are full of what he will

1660
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 18: say in the morning when he makes this speech. I

1661
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 18: think what the Prime Minister is doing is laying the

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01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 18: ground for inevitable tax rises. We're told that he has

1663
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 18: inherited a forty four billion dollar black hole in the

1664
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 18: UK public finances and he's going to use the phrase

1665
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 18: rubble and ruin that he inherited from the Conservatives after

1666
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 18: fourteen years. Rubble and ruin is what he has been

1667
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 18: given to deal with. So I think inevitably the budget

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01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 18: that's coming in October, Rachel Reeves is now Britain's chancellor,

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01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 18: first female Chancellor of the Exchequer here, I think taxes

1670
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 18: will be going up. And this speech letter today it's

1671
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 18: a big deal because he's effectively laying the ground out

1672
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 18: as to how we're going to deal with all the problems.

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Speaker 2: How much political capital will he boon avet's the case.

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Speaker 18: I think it's early days, but you're right, there is

1675
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 18: a risk but he is also going to say that

1676
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 18: it's going to take ten years to fix Britain. So

1677
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 18: anyone who thinks he is a one term prime minister,

1678
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 18: I think he's also setting out his stall that he

1679
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 18: wants to be re elected. It's going to take ten

1680
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 18: years to fix all the problems. And I mean everywhere

1681
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 18: you look like there are issues across Britain. The country

1682
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 18: is broken, from the potholes in the roads to the

1683
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 18: rivers you can't swim in because of the sewage discharges.

1684
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 18: Absolutely every aspect of British life needs fixing and that's

1685
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 18: going to take money and forty four billion dollars of

1686
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 18: a black hole. I mean that's before we even get

1687
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 18: our heads back above water. So I think there will

1688
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 18: be tough tax rises and big decisions coming. But you're right,

1689
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 18: he runs the risk that people will immediately turn around

1690
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 18: and say, oh, here's the guy who pledged during the

1691
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 18: election campaign that he wouldn't put up taxes and within

1692
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 18: two months of getting in it's exactly what he's doing.

1693
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Speaker 2: Who comes beckheham as in regards the Tory leader, given

1694
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: this sort of an a process at the moment.

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01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 18: Well, they're fighting amongst themselves, really to see who will

1696
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 18: be the leader, and everything I'm hearing in Westminster, pretty

1697
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 18: Battel seems to be a front runner. Kenny Badenock absolutely

1698
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 18: wants to be leader at some stage. James Cleverly is

1699
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 18: riding quite high former Hallman Foreign Secretary. But I think

1700
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 18: the difficulty the Conservatives have is there's not that many

1701
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 18: of them and if you get the leadership now, in

1702
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 18: all honesty, the party is a basket case at the moment.

1703
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 18: Are you likely to see out another five years as

1704
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 18: opposition leader leader of the opposition and then take on

1705
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 18: Starmer in twenty twenty nine. So I think whoever gets

1706
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 18: that at the moment will be an inter leader of

1707
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 18: the Conservatives, teeing it up for someone else to come in.

1708
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 18: But look, they will take lots of potshots at Starmar

1709
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 18: in the next twenty four hours for this speech. But

1710
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 18: I think he's just telling everyone what we already know.

1711
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 18: That rubble and ruin is what he's got to deal with.

1712
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 2: If you held a poll, what's the result for Kirsty

1713
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 2: Alsop They with her or againna.

1714
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 18: I'm absolutely with her, and I think anyone who's followed

1715
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 18: this story, so if anyone hasn't seen this. A week ago,

1716
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 18: she announced on social media that she had allowed her

1717
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 18: fifteen year old son to go interrailing with his sixteen

1718
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 18: year old mate across Europe for three weeks on a company,

1719
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 18: just the two boys, and they successfully did it. They

1720
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 18: got back home and they went to London, to Paris,

1721
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 18: to Amsterdam, to Berlin. They went all over. They ended

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Speaker 18: up in the south of France, Barcelona, into Spain and

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Speaker 18: then back to the UK. Now she proudly put that

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Speaker 18: out on social media, got a lot of backlash. What's

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01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 18: happened today? It turns out that so Services have had

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Speaker 18: a complaint, So this has been she believes maliciously done.

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Speaker 18: Someone who doesn't like her has rung the local council

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Speaker 18: and complained to Social Services under a child welfare complaint

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Speaker 18: and it's being investigated. So she's absolutely split public opinion.

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Speaker 18: You're right, but I think good luck to her. My

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Speaker 18: young lad sixteen, he's just come back from a week

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Speaker 18: in Ireland with my parents and he had the time

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Speaker 18: of his life and he brought a sixteen year old

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Speaker 18: mate with him. And I know it's different that we

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Speaker 18: escorted him to the airport as he throw in London

1736
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Speaker 18: and my parents went and picked them up in Dublin bus.

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01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 18: It gives young people confidence and at some stage we

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01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 18: need to cut those baby strings.

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01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, couldn't agree more. Our kids were flying from

1740
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: a very young age by themselves. In this country. We

1741
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 2: stick little tags on their arms and they get looked

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Speaker 2: after by the earline. But they always made it and

1743
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: they always came back. Now, Spynn Goren Erickson unwell for

1744
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 2: about a year, a year and a half or thereabout.

1745
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 2: Where does he sit in the panels around the annals

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Speaker 2: of history there?

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Speaker 18: Well, I think he will get down as well as

1748
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 18: historic football manager for England because as he was the

1749
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 18: first foreigner, the first non English person to get the job,

1750
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 18: and there was a big hullabaloo when he got it.

1751
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 18: Was there no one good enough in England, no one

1752
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 18: English who was good enough to manage England. And then

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01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 18: he quickly started winning matches, and of course, as we've

1754
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 18: seen in any sport, you know, as soon as a

1755
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 18: win starts happening and more wins come, everyone gets on board.

1756
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 18: I think he was desperately unlucky not to win something.

1757
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 18: With the England squad he had at the time played

1758
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 18: sixty seven matches one forty he had peak David Beckham

1759
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 18: in his prime, Frank Lampard, Stephen Gerrard, Ria Ferdinand, very

1760
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 18: very good players. And it's an absolute tragedy what's happened.

1761
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 18: Spen seventy six, diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, but he gave

1762
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 18: some really intelligent interviews in the last few weeks. So

1763
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 18: he's passed away in Sweden with his family by his side.

1764
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 18: But then one little quote that he said last week

1765
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 18: was that one aspect of life that nobody ever talks

1766
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 18: about is death.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. Good on you, Mike, we'll catch up.

1768
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much. Into Brady out in Britain

1769
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 2: this just before we leave their sixteen away from nine

1770
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 2: by the Paskimes. I'm really about the number of neats.

1771
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 2: Neats is a sort of a you can get the

1772
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: term all over the world, but they're basically young people

1773
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 2: who are not in employment, educational training, and this is

1774
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 2: part of what's wrong with Britain at the moment, sixteen

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01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 2: to twenty four year olds. It's reached eight hundred and

1776
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: seventy two thousand neats in Britain and that's up seventy

1777
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: foury twelve point two percent of all young people sixteen

1778
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 2: to twenty four. And I say young twenty four is

1779
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 2: not young twenty four to twenty three. Twenty you know,

1780
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 2: it's not young neat. So they can be unemployed actively

1781
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: seeking work, and as Rod has talked to us before,

1782
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 2: they can be economically inactive, not seeking work. And that

1783
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: is the great post COVID fear is that people went

1784
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: home decided that sitting on the sofa was probably for

1785
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: them and they never got offered. About two thirds of

1786
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 2: neats fall into the economically inactive category. It's becoming a crisis.

1787
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Speaker 2: Eight forty five.

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Speaker 1: The High Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on I Have

1789
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: Read You coward by news Talk said be.

1790
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 2: Mic Has fifteen. When I went into railing forty five

1791
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 2: years ago, a very popular in Europe, great way to

1792
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 2: see the world, and nobody question what we did. It

1793
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: was the thing to do. I blame over protective parents.

1794
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: Mike at sixteen hours alow to go on a train, hitchhiking,

1795
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 2: camping with a mate around the South Island. Great memories,

1796
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: all part of growing up. Mikela's uber decision really muddies

1797
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 2: the water sign up as a contractor. Then when it

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01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 2: doesn't suit you becoming an employee without negotiation, and can

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01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 2: sender of your employee, yeah, report it suggests. I mean,

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01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 2: I know it's all union based and stuff like that,

1801
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: but when we report that it's good news for drivers,

1802
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: it's not because many drivers. There are four drivers who

1803
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: have taken this. For the four drivers to this point,

1804
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: it is good news because that's what they wanted. But

1805
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 2: for the many hundreds of drivers who didn't want it,

1806
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 2: it's not good news at all. It up ends what

1807
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 2: they thought they had, so there's nothing good about it

1808
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: at all. By the way, Yampy Sound my sister in

1809
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: laws and Brisbane at the moment, having the time of

1810
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 2: a life set it was thirty thirty one degrees the

1811
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 2: last couple of days. I thought, geez, that sounds warm

1812
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 2: and there's a massive, massive thing over the top part

1813
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 2: of Australia in terms of heat and Yampy Sound yesterday

1814
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 2: was forty one one points six. It's in the Kimberley

1815
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 2: and that's a new winter temperature. Never been hotter than

1816
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 2: forty one point six in August in the Empty Sound.

1817
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 2: And they've got this weather going to wa Nt and

1818
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: New South Wales as well as Queensland for the rest

1819
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 2: of the week and that presumably we'll get across here,

1820
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: which is part of the ongoing. As I said yesterday,

1821
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 2: when I left the country on the weekend it was

1822
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: twenty degrees. I mean, it's just ridiculous at the moment

1823
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 2: the world's changing. Must we have something to do with

1824
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,600
Speaker 2: climate change? I don't know if anyone's thought about that.

1825
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 2: By the way, quick quiz, you're ready for this? This

1826
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: is too stupid for words? How many? And I thought

1827
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: about this this morning ironically because in my area's you know,

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01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 2: there's little bins they put out. Won't be around the

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01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 2: whole country, but they've put these tiny little bins at

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01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 2: the size smaller than the size of a ten liter

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01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 2: paint can. And they put these little bins out and

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01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know what goes in. There's a food waste.

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01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 2: I think it's food, correct.

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01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 15: I believe it's supposed to be food waste.

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01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So some people put them out and some of

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 2: them blow down the street. A lot of people don't

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01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 2: bother anyway. In Wales it has been announced overnight that

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01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 2: they so we've got three it'd have a red lid

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01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: in Now you're red lid. Thats your standard, you'd have

1840
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: your what's the recycling blue? Is it yellow? It was

1841
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 2: not at our places? What are you yellow?

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01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 15: I don't think you want to get too bogged down

1843
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 15: in the colors.

1844
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 2: Because have we gone just definitely we got through.

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01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 14: In different places. You're going to have different ways. Yeah,

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01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 14: but we've got three basically ye Whales. They have the

1847
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 14: highest number average number of bins in the UK. They

1848
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 14: are second in the world for recycling household waste, only

1849
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 14: behind Germany. So God knows, I must investigate over God

1850
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 14: knows how many bins Germany's got.

1851
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 2: They have on average in Wales ten ten bins per

1852
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 2: house At which point you would ask the question is

1853
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 2: really worth saving the planet when you've got a deal

1854
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 2: with ten bins? And what do you put in those

1855
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 2: ten bins? And does anyone actually follow us?

1856
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 15: Does the same people another question? Does the same people

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01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 15: make the bins that makes the cones?

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01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: It's pretty good question, very good.

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01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 15: Somebody's somebody's part of a.

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01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 2: Lot of plastic being made. There isn't there nine away

1861
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:57,799
Speaker 2: from nine.

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01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: Asking breakfast with the range river The News.

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01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: Talks just a research department onto the German situation, visa

1864
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 2: VI the bins. You can recycle dead animals in Germany

1865
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 2: for reasons best known to themselves. And you can also

1866
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,560
Speaker 2: drop your deer heads, which means you obviously had to

1867
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 2: one kill the deer, but then slice the head off

1868
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 2: and then take the head presumably what in a bag

1869
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 2: or at the back of your car to the dump

1870
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: where they then make it into lip balm, not just

1871
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: lo bam. How do they put the watermelon flavor in?

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01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 15: But certainly next time you are purchasing a lip barm,

1873
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 15: just haven't have another little squires exactly what the ingredients are.

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01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 2: Delicious, Mike, make all the bins orange so they can

1875
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 2: work as cones on the side of the road. Dave,

1876
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 2: that's very good. Mike twelve years old nineteen ninety six

1877
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: went to Japan by myself for three months. Three different

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01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 2: families who didn't speak English spoken to Japanese. I got

1879
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 2: myself from Tokyo to Amori in the north. Parents wrap

1880
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 2: the kids in cotton wool, and that doesn't do the

1881
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 2: many favors in their adult I tend to agree with you, Mike,

1882
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 2: thought you might like to know justineing a guy using

1883
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 2: a leaf blow at blow puddles and Manecow, South Auckland.

1884
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 2: It's persisting down here, just over nothing wrong with that.

1885
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 2: I dry my car with a leaf blower. It's very

1886
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 2: very effective, and it saves shemying the thing too, and

1887
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: it speeds up the process, and the neighbors love it.

1888
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: Of one hundred percent. That's doing the basics brilliantly. Five

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01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 2: minutes away from nine.

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01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: Trending now Warehouse, the real House of Fragrances.

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01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 2: You know the rule seven am, don't you? Seven am

1892
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 2: on a Sunday. You can wind her up, no problem

1893
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: at all.

1894
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 15: I don't think that is the rule.

1895
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 2: Is that not the rules rule of Mike, the rule

1896
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 2: rule of my place? Bill Mark, Quentin Tarantina wade into

1897
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 2: the Alex Baldwin Alex Baldwin rust saga. So you know

1898
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 2: the story. She died, he got charged, then that got

1899
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 2: thrown out. So there's a two hour interview on this.

1900
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: Margo's on a rank claiming Baldwin should be no response disability.

1901
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:01,679
Speaker 2: Tarantino doesn't agree.

1902
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 11: The armorer is ninety the guy who hands the gun.

1903
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 11: Then armor is ninety percent responsible for everything that happens

1904
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 11: when it comes to that gun. But but but but

1905
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 11: but but the actress ten percent response the actress ten

1906
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 11: percent responsible. It's not just it's a gun. You have

1907
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 11: to you are a partner in the responsibility to.

1908
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: Some degree what to test it.

1909
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 11: They show it to you, you go. If there's steps

1910
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 11: to go through, you go through them, and you do it,

1911
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 11: and there's a and you're done with due diligence and

1912
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 11: you know it's it's for real.

1913
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 2: When they start the podcast, does Bill Mago and Ellison

1914
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 2: Quentin will probably get onto the rust thing or do

1915
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 2: they literally just make that stuff up as we go along?

1916
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 15: But but but but but but but you're there, the

1917
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 15: most successful podcaster in the country. You should not ask.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to give me started on the old podcast,

1919
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 2: but getting in it's I just don't know this too

1920
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 2: is to me. My wife had a three hour one

1921
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 2: the other day that she listened to over I think

1922
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,799
Speaker 2: it was several days and I'm just thinking.

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Speaker 15: You should have put it on women one and a

1924
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,879
Speaker 15: half speed. That's what That's what all those smart podcast

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Speaker 15: listen listeners do.

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow morning from six there's always happy days.

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Speaker 1: For more from the mic asking breakfast listen live to

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