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Speaker 1: The Big Stories, the leak issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoon

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Speaker 2: Very good Afternoons. You welcome into the show. It is

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Speaker 2: seven past one. I hope you haveving a fantastic Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: What age do you stop getting your kids at easter

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Speaker 3: eggs for Easter?

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Speaker 4: That is a great question.

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Speaker 3: I just went on boughts a huge amount of Easter eggs. Yep,

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Speaker 3: like really expensive one not showing off well.

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Speaker 2: There pricing now, I don't think it matters what you get.

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Speaker 2: They're all kind of pricey, especially if.

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Speaker 3: You want to get a fancy one. And then it

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Speaker 3: just struck me that my son's nineteen years old. So

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Speaker 3: am I going to be hiding the eggs around the

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Speaker 3: yard fro him? I hope. So he's back from UNI

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Speaker 3: for the weekend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we eased to eat hunts for you, nineteen

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Speaker 4: year old.

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Speaker 3: One of the most heartwarming things in any given year

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Speaker 3: when your kids are little is the hiding of the eggs.

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Speaker 3: And then waking up and running around and looking for them.

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Speaker 3: And then it's also frustrating because you put them in

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Speaker 3: places and they're too dumb to find them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got to direct them to it.

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Speaker 3: They're up a ladder on the garage roof and they

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Speaker 3: and they can't find them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no amount of warmer, hotter, colder.

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Speaker 3: Actually, quite a few times I've been doing gardening over

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Speaker 3: the years and found Easter eggs that were just never found.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can get yep, your chocolate lasts. It does, yeah,

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Speaker 3: scrape off the whiteness and whole in. Yeah, put a

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Speaker 3: chocolate sitting in the garden for three years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a great quition.

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 4: How old is too old to give your kids the

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Speaker 4: Easter eggs? I don't think there is an age.

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Speaker 2: Generally, my parents don't give me any Easter eggs, But

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people in their thirties and

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Speaker 2: forties and the appearance still drop off an Easter egg.

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Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, is that weird?

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Speaker 3: Are you listening?

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Speaker 6: Dead?

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Speaker 3: It was last time my dad got me an Easter egg.

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Speaker 2: You better hurry dead, very good, right on to show,

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Speaker 2: because it is a Thursday that is kind of a

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Speaker 2: after three point thirty, the moment you're all wait for

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Speaker 2: New Zealander of the week, looking forward to that after

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Speaker 2: three o'clock when of a discussion about marriage, it seems

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Speaker 2: that it is becoming less appealing for younger generations as

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Speaker 2: people no longer see it as essential to adulthood. So

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Speaker 2: the story goes on to say, great independence, especially for women,

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Speaker 2: along with skepticism about traditional roles and the benefits of marriage,

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Speaker 2: has shifted attitudes people. Younger people now prefer long term

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Speaker 2: partnerships rather than tying than not.

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Speaker 3: Cowards, m cowards, laziness. They're not willing to make a

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Speaker 3: commitment and as a result, their lives are less meaningful.

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Speaker 2: I think there's something in that, you know, I like

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Speaker 2: I just want to get engaged and know wedding after that,

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Speaker 2: What is the sense in that you've taked a lot

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Speaker 3: It's a lack of commitment.

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Speaker 3: I think part of it is people are scared that

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Speaker 3: you've just got to roll the dice of life, you said,

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Speaker 3: nicely said, find someone you like and marry them.

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Speaker 4: Yeap, looking forward to that after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: After two o'clock, record breaking CEO pay is back in

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Speaker 2: a mass of seventeen million dollars, the highest on record.

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Speaker 2: So while much of that comes from performance based incentives

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but these are private companies, right, so they can

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Speaker 3: if they choose that's the right thing to do. If

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Speaker 3: It's a bit different. If people are you know, working

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Speaker 3: what else are you going to regulate about them? You

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Speaker 2: And why don't I get a slice of that which

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Speaker 2: interesting discussion after two o'clock. But right now, really looking

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Speaker 2: into space. This is after Artemis Too successfully blasted into

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Speaker 2: space about an hour ago with four astronauts on board,

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Speaker 2: lit by NASA. Of course, it was incredible to watch,

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Speaker 2: big crowds, big sides, big rocket, kind of nerve wracking.

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Speaker 2: As you mentioned a little bit earlier that there has

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Speaker 2: been some space adventures gone wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've all seen the Challenger disaster. So when you

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Speaker 3: see those that rocket blasting up into the atmosphere, it's

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Speaker 3: so easy to picture it blowing up. Yeah, but it

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Speaker 3: didn't went perfectly. It did and It was sent shivers

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Speaker 3: down my spine. As I was saying before Tyler, I imagine

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Speaker 3: being around to watch in nineteen sixty nine, to watch

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Speaker 3: the Apollo mission, you first one to land on the Moon.

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Speaker 4: Imagine that you still hear people talk about it.

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Speaker 3: That would be incredible because and what an audacious thing

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Speaker 3: back then with the technology that they had. But personally,

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Speaker 3: I think it's awesome that they're going back to the moon.

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Speaker 3: It is weird though, because this whole mission is like

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Speaker 3: going back to Apollo eight nineteen sixty eight. Right, So

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Speaker 3: Apollo eight was the first orbiting of the Moon. So

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Speaker 3: this Artemist too, is just orbiting the moon. Correct, yep,

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Speaker 3: So that was the nineteen sixty eight Apollo eight mission

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but it is fascinating. It's a little bit

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Speaker 2: two and as you say, Matt, they're up there ten

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Speaker 2: Ultimately they want to set up a space station around

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Speaker 4: Using it as a stepping stone to get to mass.

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Speaker 3: So we listen to the launch.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, seven ounce supression, water is flowing, lifting, and here

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Speaker 8: crew of Artemis two now bound for the Moon. Humanity's

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Speaker 3: They didn't now then it eat agree roll Roger ra Pitch.

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Speaker 10: Round them high.

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Speaker 9: Ye On time passing thirty seconds and the months Integrity

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Speaker 3: That thing cool thing weighs two six hundred tons when

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Speaker 3: it's fully fuelled liquid hydrogen and oxygen fuel. Very explosive obviously,

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Speaker 3: so ten day mission. So they're going to fang up

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Speaker 3: there for about four days, then pissed around the Moon

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Speaker 3: similar to Apollo eight. As I said before, you've got

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Speaker 4: Good on Christina on Jerry.

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Speaker 2: Oh been incredible when we're watching it live and just

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Speaker 3: Miles and the thing is that, Yeah, as I said before,

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Speaker 3: It's it's the guts, the bravery that you have to

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Speaker 3: It's inspiring stuff, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: So, with the ultimate Artemis program in mind, that the

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Speaker 3: And so you could argue that getting to Mars. And

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Speaker 3: part of the plan. It's it isn't You could argue

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Speaker 3: it's not not a luxury, it's not We're not just

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Speaker 3: wasting money. It's it's insurance for the existence of humanity

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Speaker 3: going going forward. You know, you don't wait until your

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Speaker 4: That doesn't makes sense fire extinguisher.

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Speaker 3: Most of us don't have two houses just to spare

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Speaker 11: It.

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Speaker 4: But you have insurance, so that's your plan. B So

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Speaker 4: of the house burns down, you've got your back up

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Speaker 4: plan with insurance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I personally think that humanity is fantastic. We're

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Speaker 3: capable of amazing things. Just the technology to get to

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Speaker 3: the moon. Really, as far as I'm concerned, proves our worth,

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Speaker 3: but also our capability for art and love. And as

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Speaker 3: I said, our brain is the most complicated thing in

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Speaker 3: the known universe yep, and so be a total disaster

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Speaker 3: if we didn't have any humans anymore. So I think

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Speaker 3: being intoplanetary is a sensible thing to do. I imagine

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Speaker 3: if the asteroids were coming again like they came for

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Speaker 3: the end of all of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, And it will it will at some stage.

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Speaker 2: a million years, it might be in a billion years.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 13: Surely this is insanity the amounts of money that it

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Speaker 13: You'd be sick of the color after a short while, you.

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Speaker 2: Certainly would, But what about you know, just on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but just on that note, Greg, there's always got

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Speaker 2: do incredible things outside, you know, outside what people think

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Speaker 13: And that's why I applaud what they're doing now to

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Speaker 9: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: Greg was just going to say, because about four thousand

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Speaker 13: My wife, my wife and I have heard this discussion.

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Speaker 3: We were just waiting for it. At a point in

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Speaker 4: Good on Greg much. So do you agree with Greg?

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Speaker 2: That exploration all good, going further than we've ever been before,

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Speaker 4: Nineteen ninet two text.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, this is a tech investment. If you want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair points. Keep those teas coming through. Oh, eight

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Speaker 3: To call the myth and tropes.

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Speaker 4: Ah, they're coming through.

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Speaker 3: Would losing humanity be bad thing? If you don't like humans,

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Speaker 4: Yep, it's a good thing. Right. Twenty eight past one

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Speaker 1: Shortly the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic

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Speaker 14: The increasingly sticky FTA deal with India's even first of

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Speaker 14: course are out, so labor are batter up in terms

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Speaker 14: trade man as Damian O'Connor, you're sort of there, aren't

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're not that far apart.

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Speaker 4: This is too big a deal to cock up in

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Speaker 4: the long term.

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Speaker 15: You know, there's a commitment to best effort.

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Speaker 10: It's not an absolute commitment.

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Speaker 4: We get that, but we.

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Speaker 15: Need something explanations to what happens if in fifteen years

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Speaker 15: time we haven't invested thirty three billion New Zealand dollars

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Speaker 15: in India, what will that mean for exporters who might

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Speaker 4: Twenty nine to two. Plenty of texts coming through on

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Speaker 3: Mining is the real reason for space travel? Now? No

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Speaker 3: protesters on the moon? Betterstrick? What is the anti mining

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Speaker 3: lobbies views on mining? The on Mars. It's too beautiful.

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Speaker 3: It's too beautiful. You cannot you cannot mine for precious minerals.

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Speaker 3: What about tourism, hey, fellers, maybe they need to set

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Speaker 3: events that occur on Earth at regular basises. This text

440
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Speaker 3: to look into the magnetic pole shift and the book

441
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Speaker 3: The Adam and Eve Story by Chan Thomas. Most of

442
00:21:02,733 --> 00:21:05,453
Speaker 3: humanity will be wiped out. Survivors could colonize Mars and

443
00:21:05,533 --> 00:21:10,373
Speaker 3: return to Earth later. Well, that's that's the idea. With

444
00:21:10,493 --> 00:21:13,493
Speaker 3: the interplanetary situation. We don't know what could befell one

445
00:21:13,613 --> 00:21:14,653
Speaker 3: before one planet.

446
00:21:14,773 --> 00:21:15,013
Speaker 4: Yep.

447
00:21:15,173 --> 00:21:19,133
Speaker 3: It might just be a crazy disease. Yeah, that kills everyone.

448
00:21:19,053 --> 00:21:21,533
Speaker 4: Super volcano. I mean, there's a lot there in the list.

449
00:21:21,773 --> 00:21:27,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, we might just nuke everyone. But as as crazy before,

450
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Speaker 3: if you it would take a lot for the surface

451
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Speaker 3: of Earth to get as bad as what it is

452
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Speaker 3: on Mars. Yeah, certainly it's pretty rough up on Mars.

453
00:21:36,693 --> 00:21:38,933
Speaker 3: You will be living in a bubble bubble. Yeah, for

454
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Speaker 3: the foreseble future. Hey guys, When I was growing up

455
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Speaker 3: after the Challenger incidents, NASA was no one with the

456
00:21:46,333 --> 00:21:50,053
Speaker 3: acronym need another seven astronauts. I remember that. There's quite

457
00:21:50,093 --> 00:21:50,933
Speaker 3: a few jokes about that.

458
00:21:51,133 --> 00:21:52,773
Speaker 4: Yeah, too soon, too soon.

459
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Speaker 3: What is the modern day acronym for the space race

460
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Speaker 3: ch is adjacent. I'm not sure what that is.

461
00:22:00,213 --> 00:22:02,413
Speaker 4: Certainly does feel like another space race, doesn't it.

462
00:22:02,733 --> 00:22:05,333
Speaker 2: As you said before, China are making some moves to

463
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Speaker 2: get into that space arena, and obviously the US back

464
00:22:08,973 --> 00:22:10,813
Speaker 2: into it now with Gusto.

465
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Speaker 3: And let's listen to this one. This is a horrible one.

466
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Speaker 3: Would losing humanity be such a bad thing? No, poverty, crime, illness,

467
00:22:16,893 --> 00:22:19,453
Speaker 3: and depression. I can already imagine calm and peace in

468
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Speaker 3: our uniform with the universe without humans. The idea of

469
00:22:21,893 --> 00:22:24,493
Speaker 3: humanity having to be physical and not just spiritual is

470
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Speaker 3: quite selfish. His humanity is important for creating life and

471
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Speaker 3: new consciousness, but also allows for pain in such a

472
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Speaker 3: broken world. Yeah, but Yin and Yan, you know, there's

473
00:22:36,493 --> 00:22:42,813
Speaker 3: no love without hate, there's no joy without suffering. That

474
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Speaker 3: that's the way it is. Yeah, that's the way it

475
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Speaker 3: is to be human. And who would write the poems

476
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Speaker 3: describing this peaceful, this peaceful universe? Yeah, you know, that's

477
00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:55,253
Speaker 3: one of the tragic things about the dinosaurs, right, they

478
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:57,853
Speaker 3: ruled the world for a very long time, but no one,

479
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Speaker 3: no being was conscious of it.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

481
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Speaker 3: No one was writing about it, no poetry from the dinosaurs,

482
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Speaker 3: No one was building anything.

483
00:23:03,693 --> 00:23:04,733
Speaker 4: They weren't making anything.

484
00:23:04,773 --> 00:23:06,973
Speaker 3: One day they looked up and saw an asteroid, looked

485
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Speaker 3: back down. Yeah, eating whatever. They're eating whatever of the

486
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Speaker 3: dinosaurs they're reading. And then they disappeared and they didn't

487
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Speaker 3: care that they were there, and they didn't care that

488
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Speaker 3: they were gone.

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Speaker 4: Poor buggers. Teresa Park was a great movie though, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

490
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Speaker 4: so that but we made that, I suppose.

491
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Speaker 3: Yeah we made that.

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Speaker 16: Ye.

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Speaker 3: Dinosaurs can take no dinosaurs can take no credit for that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: So how do you feel about humans becoming a multiplanetary species?

496
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Speaker 2: Is this money worth spending or do you have some reservations?

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Speaker 2: Headlines with Wendy coming up, It's twenty sixty.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Wendy so Beckham to our discussion

521
00:25:06,813 --> 00:25:11,253
Speaker 2: about going into after Artemis too, successfully blasted into space

522
00:25:11,293 --> 00:25:13,573
Speaker 2: about an hour and a half ago with four astronauts

523
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Speaker 2: on board. The ultimate plan for the Artemis program, it's

524
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Speaker 2: going to be in phases, is to set up infrastructure

525
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Speaker 2: and a colony on the Moon to use as a

526
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Speaker 2: stepping stone to get to Mars. So is that a

527
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Speaker 2: worthwhile endeavor for us as a human species?

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Speaker 3: He on makes a good point about what I said

529
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Speaker 3: about buzz Aldron before. Thanks. Then he can't really say

530
00:25:32,733 --> 00:25:34,333
Speaker 3: he was the first person to WII on the moon.

531
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Speaker 3: Maybe the first person to wei his pants on the

532
00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:38,653
Speaker 3: moon hasn't really got the same ring to it. He

533
00:25:38,733 --> 00:25:41,093
Speaker 3: should have pulled his pants down. He could have been

534
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Speaker 3: the first person to moon on the moon. That's a

535
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Speaker 3: good point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, nicely said. He makes some good.

537
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Speaker 3: Points, And I have actually always thought about that with

538
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Speaker 3: buzz Aldroom when he says that you you know, you

539
00:25:50,253 --> 00:25:52,253
Speaker 3: just weed your pants. Yeah, you were just the first

540
00:25:52,253 --> 00:25:54,293
Speaker 3: person to wear your pants on the moon. Yeah, it's

541
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Speaker 3: not quite the claim you think it is. NASA did

542
00:25:58,213 --> 00:26:01,812
Speaker 3: not invent valcrow, neither did they invent teflon. There was

543
00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:04,173
Speaker 3: there was a lot of a lot of things invented

544
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Speaker 3: by the Apollo missions. That wouldn't have come about, and

545
00:26:10,293 --> 00:26:13,853
Speaker 3: Tyler's looking them up. But the cafe read tube took

546
00:26:14,013 --> 00:26:15,933
Speaker 3: huge advancements. Thince v Nessa.

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00:26:16,133 --> 00:26:18,893
Speaker 4: Yep, did Lance Armstrong pass the drug.

548
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Speaker 3: Test to go to the mood? I'm surprised. Yeah it

549
00:26:20,373 --> 00:26:24,293
Speaker 3: was Neil Armstrong, but I get your point. Just Lance

550
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Speaker 3: Armstrong would have struggled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly on what NASA did invent memory, foam,

552
00:26:28,773 --> 00:26:35,493
Speaker 2: water purification, cordless tools, freeze dried food, infrared thermometers, space blankets,

553
00:26:35,493 --> 00:26:38,093
Speaker 2: which obviously we use as survival blankets now. And the

554
00:26:38,133 --> 00:26:40,053
Speaker 2: list goes on and on and on. I mean, the

555
00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:44,373
Speaker 2: minute technological advances that around so many things now that

556
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Speaker 2: if I said the name, you'd say, what is that?

557
00:26:46,573 --> 00:26:48,733
Speaker 2: But is used in daily life? I mean, they've invented

558
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Speaker 2: a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: Species eventually go extinct, and humans are a species that

560
00:26:52,013 --> 00:26:53,933
Speaker 3: has been around for a relatively short while, and our

561
00:26:53,973 --> 00:26:56,853
Speaker 3: extinction will inevitably happen Mars or no Mars. Yeah, but

562
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Speaker 3: let's keep it going as long as we can.

563
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Speaker 4: We've got to try, surely, we've got to try to

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Speaker 4: keep it going.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm eventually going to die, and I wouldn't

566
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Speaker 3: mind getting a few more days in before it happens exactly.

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Speaker 4: Get a Aaron.

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Speaker 18: Hey, look, I don't know whether this is an urban myss,

569
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Speaker 18: but I don't think I don't think this apparently, and

570
00:27:17,973 --> 00:27:20,413
Speaker 18: they're polymicians and things. NASA spent a great deal of

571
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Speaker 18: money trying to make trying to for ballpoint pens for

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Speaker 18: zero gravity and to make them work and do the

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Speaker 18: bits of people. I've did this, and and Russia used

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Speaker 18: the pencil.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I've heard that. There's and there's that's that's

576
00:27:38,533 --> 00:27:41,213
Speaker 3: a great, great, great one. Have you ever seen the Sputnik.

577
00:27:41,693 --> 00:27:44,532
Speaker 3: I went to the Sputnik exhibition in London, and I

578
00:27:44,613 --> 00:27:46,733
Speaker 3: never realized at the time when they were firing around

579
00:27:46,773 --> 00:27:48,773
Speaker 3: the Earth and Sputnik, there's no windows. They were just

580
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Speaker 3: basically inside a cannon ball being fired around the whole

581
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Speaker 3: The whole Russian space thing was really really basic.

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Speaker 18: And and my android phone has got more technology on

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Speaker 18: it than that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: It's quite incredible. But you know, I've read a lot

586
00:28:05,253 --> 00:28:08,013
Speaker 3: about this in the past. And when the Sputnik, you know,

587
00:28:08,733 --> 00:28:11,013
Speaker 3: or orbiters were flying around the wood, the Americans were

588
00:28:11,093 --> 00:28:12,613
Speaker 3: terrified because they were in the middle of the Cold War,

589
00:28:12,733 --> 00:28:16,893
Speaker 3: and people were looking up and seeing these Russians being

590
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Speaker 3: so much more advanced than than America was. They freaked

591
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Speaker 3: out to the point where they just really you know,

592
00:28:22,413 --> 00:28:25,093
Speaker 3: accelerated the space mission. That's kind of what's happening now.

593
00:28:25,133 --> 00:28:27,453
Speaker 3: It's no coincidence that China is talking about the moon

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Speaker 3: and suddenly America is very motivated to get the moon again.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, let's China's got pencils.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to know if that was true, that story.

597
00:28:35,733 --> 00:28:36,253
Speaker 3: I've heard it.

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00:28:36,373 --> 00:28:39,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, whether that's an uber myth or not. Nine

599
00:28:39,013 --> 00:28:42,013
Speaker 4: two nine two, if you know, keep those teas coming through,

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Speaker 4: and we're taking your calls on eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 4: eighty Loel.

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Speaker 3: Matt, you referred to Lance instead of Neil and talking

603
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Speaker 3: about buzz talking the first words on the moon have

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Speaker 3: lessen bad. I bet I did too, I bet I did?

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Speaker 4: Easy mistake Lance? Neil?

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00:28:54,893 --> 00:28:58,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, who was the greater hero? Lance or Neil Armstrong?

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Speaker 3: Who did more for humanity?

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Speaker 4: Lars was going well for a while there, you know,

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00:29:03,733 --> 00:29:06,613
Speaker 4: he had a good run, great run. Yeah right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

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00:29:09,253 --> 00:29:12,733
Speaker 2: So going into space to colonize other planets? Is that

612
00:29:12,813 --> 00:29:15,813
Speaker 2: a worthwhile endeavor for humanity? Or do you think it

613
00:29:15,893 --> 00:29:18,173
Speaker 2: is a waste of money? Oh eight hundred eighty ten

614
00:29:18,213 --> 00:29:20,813
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call? It is eighteen to two.

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00:29:21,133 --> 00:29:22,333
Speaker 2: We'll be back very surely.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons with Skoda.

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Speaker 1: Please go to codes every day at sCOD dot co

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Speaker 1: dot nz and use dogs.

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Speaker 4: That'd be there's a quarter to two.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about NASA's ultimate plan to colonize Mars.

622
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Speaker 2: They're doing it in phases with the Artemis program, with

623
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Speaker 2: a successful launch of Artemis two today, which will see

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Speaker 2: four astronauts go all bit around the Moon for ten

625
00:29:49,773 --> 00:29:52,333
Speaker 2: days as part of that plan to eventually settle on

626
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Speaker 2: the Moon to use as a steppingstone to get to Mars.

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Speaker 2: So is that a worthwhile endeavor? Do we want to

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Speaker 2: see humanity become a multiplanetary species? Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two ninety

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Speaker 2: two is the text number?

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Speaker 3: Hi, guys, complete waste of money to try and get

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Speaker 3: to the Moon for the first time. See, I think

633
00:30:07,773 --> 00:30:09,973
Speaker 3: that's wrong. I think that's a horrible way to look

634
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Speaker 3: at it. I think going to the Moon the first

635
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Speaker 3: time was such a great thing for humanity and how

636
00:30:15,933 --> 00:30:19,813
Speaker 3: proud people felt to be humans that humans could could

637
00:30:19,893 --> 00:30:22,413
Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, I just I feel like the general

638
00:30:23,693 --> 00:30:27,173
Speaker 3: feeling for all of humanity. It lifted everything. That just

639
00:30:27,213 --> 00:30:31,613
Speaker 3: showed how far people could push, you know, and what

640
00:30:31,693 --> 00:30:34,253
Speaker 3: amazing things people could achieve. So I think I think

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Speaker 3: it was money well spent going to the moon last time.

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Speaker 2: Here the ramifications from going to the Moon during what

643
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Speaker 2: was a period of you know a lot of anxiousness

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Speaker 2: and conflict. I mean that turned things around.

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Speaker 3: You know by the time they got to Apollo seventeen.

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00:30:48,333 --> 00:30:53,773
Speaker 3: You know, people went so interested. But you know Apollo,

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00:30:53,933 --> 00:30:58,773
Speaker 3: you know, Apollo nine, Apollo eight, how bloody good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely? Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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00:31:02,133 --> 00:31:04,133
Speaker 4: the number to call New Kim. How are you mate?

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Speaker 19: Good friends? Yeah, I'm just thinking, like you'd ask owned

651
00:31:08,693 --> 00:31:12,213
Speaker 19: the space that I was just thinking, like I said, uh,

652
00:31:12,893 --> 00:31:16,493
Speaker 19: it would be good if we're try We're gonna try

653
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Speaker 19: our hardest to get on with each other as the

654
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Speaker 19: star wars. You know, we seem to be good at

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00:31:21,453 --> 00:31:25,093
Speaker 19: being mean and bad and evil to each other rather

656
00:31:25,173 --> 00:31:29,053
Speaker 19: than getting on to the worldwide you know, you imagine

657
00:31:29,053 --> 00:31:32,133
Speaker 19: how much further we would be in space. The whole

658
00:31:32,173 --> 00:31:33,933
Speaker 19: work together and just did it.

659
00:31:34,573 --> 00:31:36,693
Speaker 3: I think though, because I think if you looked at

660
00:31:36,773 --> 00:31:39,453
Speaker 3: humanity from the outside, we do have the odd skirmish

661
00:31:39,653 --> 00:31:41,933
Speaker 3: and we have the odd war, but generally we're pretty

662
00:31:41,933 --> 00:31:44,133
Speaker 3: good at getting on together. If you look at a city,

663
00:31:44,133 --> 00:31:45,773
Speaker 3: we all drive on the same side of the road.

664
00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:48,373
Speaker 3: You hardly ever see people fighting on the streets. Compared

665
00:31:48,413 --> 00:31:52,013
Speaker 3: to most other species that ever lived, humans are pretty

666
00:31:52,253 --> 00:31:54,933
Speaker 3: pretty peaceful and loving. I think there's a good chance

667
00:31:54,973 --> 00:31:58,773
Speaker 3: of aliens looking down at us, they'd go, oh don't

668
00:31:58,773 --> 00:32:00,173
Speaker 3: they look at them, and they all seem to get on,

669
00:32:00,293 --> 00:32:01,053
Speaker 3: get on pretty well.

670
00:32:01,133 --> 00:32:03,413
Speaker 10: Yeah, they're gold.

671
00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:06,333
Speaker 19: We could, you know, like these little walls we got here.

672
00:32:06,413 --> 00:32:10,173
Speaker 19: You know, it's just it's just sad people each other

673
00:32:10,253 --> 00:32:12,373
Speaker 19: so much as they want to kill each other until

674
00:32:12,973 --> 00:32:13,773
Speaker 19: they're gone, you know.

675
00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:18,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, thinking you call nucim neukem, Yeah, and youukem.

676
00:32:18,253 --> 00:32:19,213
Speaker 4: It's a great name, Nukem.

677
00:32:19,573 --> 00:32:21,293
Speaker 3: Yeah. But we don't want a new com Oh.

678
00:32:21,173 --> 00:32:23,053
Speaker 4: No, definitely don't want to do that. No, no, we

679
00:32:23,053 --> 00:32:23,653
Speaker 4: don't want to do that.

680
00:32:23,653 --> 00:32:26,653
Speaker 3: You doesn't want us to ukem. Yes, for sure, Thank

681
00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:27,253
Speaker 3: you very much.

682
00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:29,293
Speaker 4: Keep those calls coming through A nine to ninety two.

683
00:32:29,373 --> 00:32:31,853
Speaker 3: The potential strength of mental and physical pain and suffering

684
00:32:31,853 --> 00:32:33,893
Speaker 3: in human life far it waits the potential strength of

685
00:32:33,893 --> 00:32:36,373
Speaker 3: happiness and pleasure. Therefore, if given the choice, you should

686
00:32:36,413 --> 00:32:38,933
Speaker 3: choose not to be born. Wow, you don't have a

687
00:32:38,933 --> 00:32:43,133
Speaker 3: great life. I reckon on the whole the most people.

688
00:32:43,493 --> 00:32:46,573
Speaker 3: I mean, there's people that will always winge, and there's

689
00:32:46,573 --> 00:32:49,613
Speaker 3: people that have terrible lives yep. But overall, if you

690
00:32:49,653 --> 00:32:53,013
Speaker 3: look at humanity and don't see the worth of it,

691
00:32:53,613 --> 00:32:56,733
Speaker 3: then I feel very very sorry for you.

692
00:32:56,813 --> 00:32:59,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what's the point, you know, if you're in

693
00:32:59,133 --> 00:33:03,893
Speaker 2: that mindset, I can't understand there are self hating human

694
00:33:04,133 --> 00:33:07,813
Speaker 2: You are a human. Clearly you've had elements of joy

695
00:33:07,893 --> 00:33:08,533
Speaker 2: happen to you.

696
00:33:08,693 --> 00:33:12,013
Speaker 3: Hope. Do you not love any other humans? Yeah? Humans?

697
00:33:12,093 --> 00:33:13,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are plenty of great humans.

698
00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:15,293
Speaker 3: Of my life, has no human made you laugh? If

699
00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:18,573
Speaker 3: you've never wondered at the achievements of other humans, If

700
00:33:18,613 --> 00:33:21,893
Speaker 3: you've never supported a sports team and a stadium full

701
00:33:21,933 --> 00:33:25,173
Speaker 3: of people, yep, you know. If you were there in

702
00:33:25,173 --> 00:33:29,453
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen when Grant Elliott smashed that six over long

703
00:33:29,613 --> 00:33:31,813
Speaker 3: on to get us into the final of the Cricket

704
00:33:31,813 --> 00:33:34,293
Speaker 3: World Cup. Boy howdy, I mean if you could the

705
00:33:34,333 --> 00:33:37,693
Speaker 3: love in that stadium, pure joy, how could you not

706
00:33:37,773 --> 00:33:39,573
Speaker 3: love humanity when you saw the love in that state?

707
00:33:39,653 --> 00:33:41,973
Speaker 4: That is a great example. Oh one hundred and eighty

708
00:33:42,013 --> 00:33:44,173
Speaker 4: ten eighty see number to call NINEX.

709
00:33:44,333 --> 00:33:46,893
Speaker 3: This moon thing is is all Elon Musk with NASA

710
00:33:46,973 --> 00:33:50,653
Speaker 3: stealing the credit. Elon is South African, so it's not American. Well,

711
00:33:50,853 --> 00:33:53,493
Speaker 3: NASA is getting there, getting them to the moon, and

712
00:33:53,533 --> 00:33:56,373
Speaker 3: then SpaceX is going to land them on the moon

713
00:33:56,413 --> 00:34:00,173
Speaker 3: when they go and then get them back up to Artemis. Yeah, collaborations,

714
00:34:00,493 --> 00:34:03,333
Speaker 3: it's a full collaboration. Ted, Welcome to the show.

715
00:34:05,213 --> 00:34:06,333
Speaker 18: Good afternoon, gentlemen.

716
00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:15,053
Speaker 20: Think it's I think it's inevitable that humans, you know,

717
00:34:15,133 --> 00:34:21,373
Speaker 20: human beings will move into space. You know, we are

718
00:34:21,813 --> 00:34:28,093
Speaker 20: species of explorers and it's something that you know, is

719
00:34:28,493 --> 00:34:32,613
Speaker 20: I guess it's built into us and space is kind

720
00:34:32,613 --> 00:34:34,333
Speaker 20: of like the final front here.

721
00:34:35,613 --> 00:34:35,813
Speaker 21: Yeah.

722
00:34:37,933 --> 00:34:42,133
Speaker 20: The interesting thing will be, you know when we have

723
00:34:42,213 --> 00:34:47,652
Speaker 20: colonies on the Moon and Mars, you know how they

724
00:34:47,853 --> 00:34:52,133
Speaker 20: both you know, well those colonists who were born on

725
00:34:52,213 --> 00:34:54,853
Speaker 20: the Moon and Mars look at earths.

726
00:34:56,093 --> 00:35:00,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean probably fondly for a very long

727
00:35:00,573 --> 00:35:03,413
Speaker 3: time as they sit in their bubbles and and they

728
00:35:03,413 --> 00:35:08,893
Speaker 3: get pictures of people swimming in oceans and breathing air

729
00:35:09,093 --> 00:35:12,173
Speaker 3: and animals running around in the wild and start so

730
00:35:12,133 --> 00:35:14,053
Speaker 3: I reckon for a very very long time. The colon

731
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:18,693
Speaker 3: the colonies on Mars will think Earth looks pretty pretty

732
00:35:18,733 --> 00:35:20,692
Speaker 3: damn good. Yeah, because it is pretty damn good.

733
00:35:20,893 --> 00:35:22,253
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful planet we've got here.

734
00:35:23,493 --> 00:35:23,692
Speaker 21: Yeah.

735
00:35:24,213 --> 00:35:29,333
Speaker 20: Still come a time when there will be colonists.

736
00:35:28,093 --> 00:35:29,413
Speaker 22: That have never been to Earth.

737
00:35:29,573 --> 00:35:35,373
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, and you know, how will they look at

738
00:35:35,973 --> 00:35:37,933
Speaker 10: as at our muzzle leland.

739
00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:40,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting. It'd be ironic if they then

740
00:35:40,813 --> 00:35:43,053
Speaker 3: got into a dispute with us. It was it was

741
00:35:43,093 --> 00:35:43,973
Speaker 3: them that wiped us out.

742
00:35:43,973 --> 00:35:46,252
Speaker 4: We can't let that happen, right, one hundred and eighty

743
00:35:46,253 --> 00:35:48,253
Speaker 4: ten eighties number to call back very shortly. It is

744
00:35:48,933 --> 00:35:49,732
Speaker 4: eight minutes to two.

745
00:35:50,773 --> 00:35:54,373
Speaker 1: Matd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

746
00:35:54,413 --> 00:35:58,413
Speaker 1: eighty eight. It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

747
00:35:57,893 --> 00:36:01,772
Speaker 2: News talksb news talks. There'd be it is six to two.

748
00:36:01,813 --> 00:36:03,893
Speaker 2: Plenty of texts coming through on nine two ninety two

749
00:36:04,133 --> 00:36:07,133
Speaker 2: about the idea of us becoming a multi planet species.

750
00:36:07,253 --> 00:36:08,933
Speaker 2: This one says, Okay, guys, if we are looking at

751
00:36:08,933 --> 00:36:12,453
Speaker 2: alternative options to live in outside of Earth, it would

752
00:36:12,453 --> 00:36:15,253
Speaker 2: actually be cheaper and safer to create large orbital habitats

753
00:36:15,253 --> 00:36:18,413
Speaker 2: that can be built and installed in our outer atmosphere

754
00:36:18,453 --> 00:36:21,093
Speaker 2: along with our space stations and satellites. Having these available

755
00:36:21,133 --> 00:36:23,653
Speaker 2: gives humanity an option to escape Earth quickly and easily

756
00:36:23,853 --> 00:36:26,093
Speaker 2: if we need to, still, with the option to return

757
00:36:26,173 --> 00:36:27,373
Speaker 2: to the Earth at any time.

758
00:36:27,413 --> 00:36:27,973
Speaker 3: That's from Paul.

759
00:36:28,173 --> 00:36:28,373
Speaker 4: Yeah.

760
00:36:28,413 --> 00:36:31,413
Speaker 3: But the idea of where you know, where we're picking,

761
00:36:31,413 --> 00:36:33,893
Speaker 3: where we're going is where we can get large water sources,

762
00:36:34,013 --> 00:36:36,692
Speaker 3: large frozen water sources, So you know, if you're having

763
00:36:36,733 --> 00:36:41,253
Speaker 3: to run part pipes up to these pods, then problematic. Yeah,

764
00:36:41,293 --> 00:36:43,812
Speaker 3: but again I don't know. Maybe you can form a

765
00:36:43,853 --> 00:36:46,533
Speaker 3: fully functional, big enough biosphere that it all works out, so.

766
00:36:46,653 --> 00:36:49,813
Speaker 2: Potentially, Yeah, and just quickly this one get our guys.

767
00:36:49,853 --> 00:36:52,373
Speaker 2: Look at the human and financial cost for the Panama

768
00:36:52,413 --> 00:36:55,573
Speaker 2: Canal about twenty five thousand lives and four hundred million dollars,

769
00:36:55,613 --> 00:36:58,973
Speaker 2: which was substantial, but it was developed and changed the

770
00:36:58,973 --> 00:37:02,853
Speaker 2: world in humanity for the better. We can't give up train.

771
00:37:03,093 --> 00:37:03,973
Speaker 2: We must go further.

772
00:37:04,213 --> 00:37:05,933
Speaker 3: Okay, I've been thinking about this and I think the

773
00:37:06,013 --> 00:37:08,893
Speaker 3: launch today and the push to go into planetary and

774
00:37:09,013 --> 00:37:12,493
Speaker 3: set up on Mars, it isn't about escaping Earth. It's

775
00:37:12,693 --> 00:37:16,732
Speaker 3: about protecting humanity's future with all our love and art

776
00:37:16,893 --> 00:37:19,333
Speaker 3: and hopes and dreams. And if we can build even

777
00:37:19,373 --> 00:37:22,853
Speaker 3: a small, just a little, itsy bitsy colony there, we

778
00:37:22,893 --> 00:37:26,253
Speaker 3: go from one planet species to a two planet species,

779
00:37:26,293 --> 00:37:29,133
Speaker 3: which changes everything about our long term survival. It would

780
00:37:29,173 --> 00:37:32,613
Speaker 3: mean the biggest leap of our great species since we

781
00:37:32,733 --> 00:37:35,053
Speaker 3: first explored the oceans, and it's the kind of thing

782
00:37:35,493 --> 00:37:38,573
Speaker 3: humanity could be proud of, proof we can still do hard,

783
00:37:39,013 --> 00:37:42,293
Speaker 3: ambitious things that inspire young people to work hard and

784
00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:45,853
Speaker 3: create amazing things and do incredible things with their life.

785
00:37:45,853 --> 00:37:48,413
Speaker 3: And the tech we build to survive on Mars and

786
00:37:48,453 --> 00:37:49,732
Speaker 3: to get there would come back and.

787
00:37:49,653 --> 00:37:52,333
Speaker 4: It would improve life for all of us.

788
00:37:52,533 --> 00:37:55,933
Speaker 3: As Tim said our last caller, at its core, the

789
00:37:55,973 --> 00:38:00,252
Speaker 3: space race is simple humans explore and Mars is our

790
00:38:00,293 --> 00:38:03,373
Speaker 3: next frontier. So I say give them a taste of humanity,

791
00:38:04,493 --> 00:38:05,613
Speaker 3: nicely said mate.

792
00:38:05,693 --> 00:38:08,933
Speaker 2: Thank you to everybody who called antiques on that discussion,

793
00:38:09,013 --> 00:38:09,933
Speaker 2: really enjoyed.

794
00:38:09,973 --> 00:38:11,172
Speaker 4: It's on ten days time.

795
00:38:11,573 --> 00:38:14,053
Speaker 2: Artemis two will be back here with a heck of

796
00:38:14,053 --> 00:38:16,453
Speaker 2: a lot of information and Artemis three is due to

797
00:38:16,573 --> 00:38:19,772
Speaker 2: launch next year, so we'll see where this project goes.

798
00:38:20,173 --> 00:38:21,973
Speaker 3: And this of course it of course it all go

799
00:38:22,093 --> 00:38:24,373
Speaker 3: tips up and they die out there.

800
00:38:24,453 --> 00:38:24,613
Speaker 16: Yep.

801
00:38:24,653 --> 00:38:26,933
Speaker 4: Potentially good y Yeah, yet we just don't know.

802
00:38:27,453 --> 00:38:30,053
Speaker 2: But more to come on that story as the months

803
00:38:30,053 --> 00:38:32,093
Speaker 2: and years go on. Coming up after two o'clock, we

804
00:38:32,173 --> 00:38:35,293
Speaker 2: want to have a chat about CEO salaries, new information

805
00:38:35,413 --> 00:38:37,413
Speaker 2: and the Herald today. So the question we've got for

806
00:38:37,453 --> 00:38:41,053
Speaker 2: you is are those salaries justified or is executive pay

807
00:38:41,133 --> 00:38:43,172
Speaker 2: in New Zealand getting out of hand? Eight one hundred

808
00:38:43,213 --> 00:38:44,813
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nineteen

809
00:38:44,893 --> 00:38:52,973
Speaker 2: nine two is the text. News is next, the.

810
00:38:52,773 --> 00:38:57,453
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

811
00:38:57,453 --> 00:39:01,253
Speaker 1: in between. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon Squid

812
00:39:01,413 --> 00:39:13,413
Speaker 1: Scudder News Talk said the.

813
00:39:08,613 --> 00:39:10,893
Speaker 2: Turn on your Mike, Tyler, very good afternoon to you.

814
00:39:11,013 --> 00:39:13,933
Speaker 2: Welcome back into the show. It is seven past two,

815
00:39:13,973 --> 00:39:16,493
Speaker 2: so good to have your company on this Thursday afternoon

816
00:39:16,773 --> 00:39:21,013
Speaker 2: ahead of an Easter weekend for many people around the country.

817
00:39:21,173 --> 00:39:23,413
Speaker 3: Have you got me an Easter egg or anything? Tyler?

818
00:39:23,573 --> 00:39:25,933
Speaker 3: I mean, I've eaten all my hot cross buns? Did

819
00:39:25,933 --> 00:39:26,333
Speaker 3: you get me?

820
00:39:26,413 --> 00:39:27,213
Speaker 4: Do you bring anything in?

821
00:39:27,253 --> 00:39:29,172
Speaker 2: Did you give me a bite of that beautiful looking

822
00:39:29,213 --> 00:39:32,093
Speaker 2: hot cross bun that you smashed in butter?

823
00:39:32,213 --> 00:39:32,293
Speaker 8: And?

824
00:39:32,773 --> 00:39:35,613
Speaker 4: I mean you demolished that in record time.

825
00:39:35,853 --> 00:39:37,973
Speaker 3: I think I've eaten a record amount of hot cross

826
00:39:37,973 --> 00:39:40,613
Speaker 3: buns this season. I've I've been on a frenzy. I've

827
00:39:40,653 --> 00:39:45,573
Speaker 3: been on a just a hot cross bun, just a mission,

828
00:39:46,173 --> 00:39:47,613
Speaker 3: been punishing those daily bread ones.

829
00:39:47,653 --> 00:39:54,533
Speaker 4: Do you like chocolate bunnies? A? Yeah, okay, Well I

830
00:39:54,613 --> 00:39:56,333
Speaker 4: might or might not have a wee surprise for you

831
00:39:56,413 --> 00:39:59,533
Speaker 4: later on. Oh really maybe maybe really, I'll just see

832
00:39:59,533 --> 00:40:00,493
Speaker 4: if I remember to bring them.

833
00:40:00,573 --> 00:40:00,853
Speaker 3: Okay.

834
00:40:00,893 --> 00:40:03,093
Speaker 4: He run loves the wee chocolate bunny. All right, Okay,

835
00:40:03,173 --> 00:40:05,613
Speaker 4: so there you go. It's something a little treat into

836
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:09,093
Speaker 4: the Easter weekends. Right, let's get into the discussion. It

837
00:40:09,133 --> 00:40:11,652
Speaker 4: was in the Herald today. Record breaking CEO pay is

838
00:40:11,693 --> 00:40:14,453
Speaker 4: back in the spotlight, with one of New Zealand's top

839
00:40:14,493 --> 00:40:18,172
Speaker 4: executives earning a massive seventeen million dollar package that is

840
00:40:18,213 --> 00:40:21,772
Speaker 4: the highest on record. His name is Gary Miles and

841
00:40:21,893 --> 00:40:24,973
Speaker 4: he runs gen Track. But where While much of that

842
00:40:25,013 --> 00:40:28,133
Speaker 4: comes from performance based incentives, like shares and bonuses. It

843
00:40:28,253 --> 00:40:31,812
Speaker 4: is reigniting debates in some quarters about how executive pay

844
00:40:31,933 --> 00:40:35,453
Speaker 4: is structured and whether it truly reflects company successes. Supporters

845
00:40:35,813 --> 00:40:39,533
Speaker 4: they say these payouts rewards strong leadership and aligned CEOs

846
00:40:39,533 --> 00:40:43,013
Speaker 4: with shareholder interests, but critics argue, as they always seem to,

847
00:40:43,293 --> 00:40:46,533
Speaker 4: that the gap between the top executive pay and everyday

848
00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:49,013
Speaker 4: workers is growing. Yeah.

849
00:40:49,653 --> 00:40:52,373
Speaker 3: I find this is always an interesting article because just

850
00:40:52,373 --> 00:40:54,732
Speaker 3: because someone's getting paid a lot doesn't mean that you

851
00:40:54,973 --> 00:40:56,613
Speaker 3: it makes any I mean, someone can get paid a

852
00:40:56,653 --> 00:40:57,973
Speaker 3: lot and you can get paid what you get. Just

853
00:40:58,013 --> 00:40:59,733
Speaker 3: because they're getting paid lot doesn't mean it's coming out

854
00:40:59,733 --> 00:41:01,093
Speaker 3: of your wages, if you know what I'm saying.

855
00:41:01,453 --> 00:41:03,212
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of envy there, I think.

856
00:41:03,613 --> 00:41:07,133
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, if a board of directors and

857
00:41:07,453 --> 00:41:09,573
Speaker 3: a shareholder base decide that that's how much they want

858
00:41:09,613 --> 00:41:11,453
Speaker 3: to pay a CEO in a private company, then that's

859
00:41:11,493 --> 00:41:14,652
Speaker 3: the decision that they've made, right, Yeah. I mean what

860
00:41:14,693 --> 00:41:16,933
Speaker 3: else would you want to regulate within a company how

861
00:41:17,013 --> 00:41:19,973
Speaker 3: many employees they've got, how much they play all their employees.

862
00:41:20,493 --> 00:41:24,133
Speaker 3: I mean you can do that within the government agencies,

863
00:41:24,253 --> 00:41:26,733
Speaker 3: public sector and such. Sure, you could have a look

864
00:41:26,773 --> 00:41:28,533
Speaker 3: at that and go that person's getting paid too much.

865
00:41:28,533 --> 00:41:30,772
Speaker 3: But if you don't like how much someone's getting paid

866
00:41:30,773 --> 00:41:33,133
Speaker 3: in a company, don't buy their products. And if you

867
00:41:33,133 --> 00:41:35,172
Speaker 3: don't like working for a company where the CEO gets

868
00:41:35,213 --> 00:41:36,813
Speaker 3: paid too much, don't work for another company.

869
00:41:36,933 --> 00:41:38,453
Speaker 4: I think there is a bit of that.

870
00:41:38,613 --> 00:41:40,453
Speaker 2: Look when I'm going down this list of top ten,

871
00:41:40,613 --> 00:41:42,893
Speaker 2: and like you, when I saw that story this morning

872
00:41:42,933 --> 00:41:45,493
Speaker 2: and Gary Miles seventeen million dollars and he works for

873
00:41:45,573 --> 00:41:48,013
Speaker 2: gen Track, I thought good on him. Clearly that company

874
00:41:48,093 --> 00:41:49,413
Speaker 2: is going very well and he's doing a lot of

875
00:41:49,413 --> 00:41:52,733
Speaker 2: good things. Number two is a guy called Dave Bordelasi.

876
00:41:52,853 --> 00:41:55,813
Speaker 2: He's the head of a two milk company. But here's

877
00:41:55,853 --> 00:41:59,373
Speaker 2: where I start to potentially have some questions. These are

878
00:41:59,413 --> 00:42:03,772
Speaker 2: private companies. So number seven is Vittoria Short, the head

879
00:42:03,773 --> 00:42:06,413
Speaker 2: of ASB Bank. Number eight is Dan Huggins, the head

880
00:42:06,413 --> 00:42:10,133
Speaker 2: of ben Z Bank. Number ten Antonia Watson, the head

881
00:42:10,173 --> 00:42:13,853
Speaker 2: of A and Z Bank. So here's that's why I

882
00:42:13,893 --> 00:42:16,213
Speaker 2: start to have a few questions when it comes to

883
00:42:17,653 --> 00:42:20,733
Speaker 2: the bank CEOs. And I'll get some pushback here, but

884
00:42:20,893 --> 00:42:24,613
Speaker 2: as someone who is a customer of one of those

885
00:42:24,613 --> 00:42:27,013
Speaker 2: particular banks, and most of us are in New Zealand

886
00:42:27,493 --> 00:42:31,333
Speaker 2: and seeing the profits that they bring in, and they

887
00:42:31,333 --> 00:42:33,732
Speaker 2: are welcome to those profits. In fact, it's a good

888
00:42:33,733 --> 00:42:35,613
Speaker 2: thing because it means those banks are doing well and

889
00:42:35,653 --> 00:42:37,853
Speaker 2: they're not going to collapse in my money is safe

890
00:42:37,853 --> 00:42:39,573
Speaker 2: and the mortgages is going to be there, and so

891
00:42:39,613 --> 00:42:42,493
Speaker 2: everything runs smoothly. But I can understand people look at

892
00:42:42,493 --> 00:42:44,773
Speaker 2: those sort of salaries when they are with a particular

893
00:42:44,813 --> 00:42:47,413
Speaker 2: bank and feel that they are getting squeezed a little

894
00:42:47,413 --> 00:42:49,652
Speaker 2: bit and we don't get the same deal as our

895
00:42:49,653 --> 00:42:53,093
Speaker 2: mates over in Australia, and that resentment just starts to

896
00:42:53,093 --> 00:42:57,533
Speaker 2: bubble away under the bottom there. Whereas gin Track, I

897
00:42:57,573 --> 00:42:59,652
Speaker 2: don't really know what they do. I know roughly what

898
00:42:59,653 --> 00:43:01,813
Speaker 2: they do. It's a technological company. But I don't have

899
00:43:01,853 --> 00:43:04,693
Speaker 2: any interest in gin Track. I don't use their services.

900
00:43:04,933 --> 00:43:06,493
Speaker 2: So I look at that and say, well done, make

901
00:43:06,853 --> 00:43:10,413
Speaker 2: fantastic seventeen millions. Things seem to be going well the banks.

902
00:43:10,893 --> 00:43:11,973
Speaker 2: Hey do you want to throw me a bit of

903
00:43:12,013 --> 00:43:12,692
Speaker 2: a bone as well?

904
00:43:12,813 --> 00:43:15,213
Speaker 3: Okay maybe, but why don't you take your money and

905
00:43:15,253 --> 00:43:17,253
Speaker 3: go to a bank with the CEO with the lower pay.

906
00:43:17,333 --> 00:43:19,173
Speaker 3: And then if enough people did that and it became

907
00:43:20,493 --> 00:43:23,373
Speaker 3: a factor in their profits, that people didn't like to

908
00:43:23,373 --> 00:43:25,692
Speaker 3: be at a bank where the CEO gets paid so much,

909
00:43:25,853 --> 00:43:28,813
Speaker 3: then they were the border directors will go, actually, we're

910
00:43:28,813 --> 00:43:33,333
Speaker 3: paying our CEOs too much, right, But if it materially

911
00:43:33,373 --> 00:43:35,453
Speaker 3: affected the amount of money they were making, which is

912
00:43:35,493 --> 00:43:40,053
Speaker 3: why most businesses exist, then if the size of the

913
00:43:40,053 --> 00:43:46,212
Speaker 3: CEO package was a turn off for customers, then then

914
00:43:46,573 --> 00:43:47,573
Speaker 3: they'd probably look into it.

915
00:43:47,653 --> 00:43:47,853
Speaker 23: Right.

916
00:43:48,373 --> 00:43:51,093
Speaker 2: Does it change that most of the banks, so I've

917
00:43:51,133 --> 00:43:53,493
Speaker 2: mentioned three banks their ASBB and Z and A and

918
00:43:53,613 --> 00:43:56,853
Speaker 2: Z Westpac. I'm sure is in the list somewhere that

919
00:43:56,853 --> 00:44:00,093
Speaker 2: that covers eighty five ninety percent of the banks that

920
00:44:00,493 --> 00:44:04,893
Speaker 2: operate in New Zealand minus the building societies. Does that

921
00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:06,533
Speaker 2: come into it that you don't have too much of

922
00:44:06,573 --> 00:44:08,733
Speaker 2: an option to say, look, I don't actually like how

923
00:44:08,813 --> 00:44:11,893
Speaker 2: much your CEO is getting paid, or take my money elsewhere,

924
00:44:12,013 --> 00:44:14,853
Speaker 2: good luck, because they all get paid good Do you.

925
00:44:14,773 --> 00:44:17,373
Speaker 3: Just look around everywhere and go like, I'd love to

926
00:44:17,373 --> 00:44:19,133
Speaker 3: hear people's thoughts Thatslway one hundred and eighty ten eighty,

927
00:44:19,213 --> 00:44:21,053
Speaker 3: rather than Tyler and I just having our thoughts on it.

928
00:44:22,053 --> 00:44:24,413
Speaker 3: But do you just look at everyone?

929
00:44:24,613 --> 00:44:24,693
Speaker 21: So?

930
00:44:25,013 --> 00:44:26,692
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't look at Ardie's severe and go

931
00:44:27,253 --> 00:44:28,933
Speaker 3: I'm angry at him. He gets paid more than me.

932
00:44:29,013 --> 00:44:30,732
Speaker 3: I go, he gets paid more than me because he's

933
00:44:30,813 --> 00:44:35,173
Speaker 3: really really good at playing rugby and he works really hard,

934
00:44:35,733 --> 00:44:39,013
Speaker 3: and he's got where he's got because of natural talent,

935
00:44:39,613 --> 00:44:43,732
Speaker 3: and you know, great. So I don't look at him

936
00:44:43,813 --> 00:44:45,573
Speaker 3: and go I'm annoyed he gets paid more than me.

937
00:44:45,573 --> 00:44:46,973
Speaker 3: Why would I look at a CEO and go, I'm

938
00:44:46,973 --> 00:44:48,853
Speaker 3: annoyed they get paid more than me. Why would I

939
00:44:48,893 --> 00:44:51,213
Speaker 3: look at anyone and go they get paid more than me.

940
00:44:51,573 --> 00:44:53,493
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't I look at someone that gets paid less

941
00:44:53,533 --> 00:44:55,533
Speaker 3: than me and try and help them out?

942
00:44:55,613 --> 00:44:56,493
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Yeah?

943
00:44:56,533 --> 00:44:58,493
Speaker 3: The six is my wife and I work very hard.

944
00:44:58,693 --> 00:45:00,652
Speaker 3: Met you're saying our work isn't worth the same as

945
00:45:00,653 --> 00:45:04,413
Speaker 3: some asshole CEO from a public private school. Well, I

946
00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:06,013
Speaker 3: didn't say any about an asshole CEO.

947
00:45:06,053 --> 00:45:08,252
Speaker 4: I mean they're putting words in your mouth there.

948
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:10,173
Speaker 3: If they're an asshole CEO, then I'm probably not a

949
00:45:10,173 --> 00:45:12,893
Speaker 3: big fan of them. That's a good point. But no,

950
00:45:13,213 --> 00:45:15,053
Speaker 3: but it's not me that decides how much you get paid.

951
00:45:15,493 --> 00:45:18,893
Speaker 3: So you Mett, you're saying our work isn't this isn't

952
00:45:18,933 --> 00:45:21,133
Speaker 3: worth the same. I don't get to say what you

953
00:45:21,173 --> 00:45:24,853
Speaker 3: get paid. So maybe I if I was in charge

954
00:45:25,213 --> 00:45:27,093
Speaker 3: of deciding how much you get paid, and you were

955
00:45:27,133 --> 00:45:30,733
Speaker 3: amazing and you're producing a lot, and you had a

956
00:45:30,733 --> 00:45:32,573
Speaker 3: lot of responsibility, I might go, yeah, yeah, you deserve

957
00:45:32,573 --> 00:45:34,373
Speaker 3: to get paid a lot. But now I don't not

958
00:45:34,533 --> 00:45:35,093
Speaker 3: charge of that one.

959
00:45:35,173 --> 00:45:35,893
Speaker 4: Yeah, fair point.

960
00:45:35,933 --> 00:45:38,013
Speaker 2: What do you say, though, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

961
00:45:38,213 --> 00:45:41,853
Speaker 2: eighty do you care one iota how much public sector

962
00:45:41,933 --> 00:45:43,173
Speaker 2: CEOs get paid?

963
00:45:43,333 --> 00:45:46,013
Speaker 3: Public sixt private, private?

964
00:45:46,053 --> 00:45:48,293
Speaker 4: Sorry I said public, private sector. Thank you.

965
00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:51,133
Speaker 2: That's a good clarification. Do you care how much private

966
00:45:51,173 --> 00:45:54,253
Speaker 2: sector CEOs do get paid? Do you think there is

967
00:45:54,293 --> 00:45:57,093
Speaker 2: some ructions with some of their workers with that gap growing,

968
00:45:57,493 --> 00:45:59,933
Speaker 2: or do you think they have an incredibly hard job

969
00:46:00,053 --> 00:46:01,692
Speaker 2: and if the board wants to pay them that much,

970
00:46:01,733 --> 00:46:03,853
Speaker 2: then they deserve it. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

971
00:46:03,893 --> 00:46:05,493
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call? Nineteen ninet two is

972
00:46:05,533 --> 00:46:07,093
Speaker 2: the text? It is fourteen past two.

973
00:46:08,653 --> 00:46:13,133
Speaker 1: Thank you mate, your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathan

974
00:46:13,213 --> 00:46:16,893
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

975
00:46:17,013 --> 00:46:18,093
Speaker 1: news talk, sa'd.

976
00:46:17,893 --> 00:46:22,333
Speaker 2: Be news talks there b We're talking about record breaking

977
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:25,613
Speaker 2: ceo pay. It is back in the headlines after The

978
00:46:25,653 --> 00:46:30,093
Speaker 2: Herald wrote a piece about the most well paid CEOs

979
00:46:30,093 --> 00:46:33,493
Speaker 2: in the country. There's a private CEOs, So are these

980
00:46:33,533 --> 00:46:36,413
Speaker 2: salaries justified or as executive pay? In New Zealand getting

981
00:46:36,413 --> 00:46:38,093
Speaker 2: out of hand? Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

982
00:46:38,133 --> 00:46:39,933
Speaker 2: is that number to call? Nine two ninety two is

983
00:46:39,973 --> 00:46:41,053
Speaker 2: the text.

984
00:46:41,013 --> 00:46:43,772
Speaker 4: Dean, welcome the show, good mate, how are you doing?

985
00:46:44,053 --> 00:46:47,653
Speaker 3: Very good? Thanks for calling this Thursday afternoon, your.

986
00:46:47,533 --> 00:46:49,293
Speaker 10: Thoughts and the lovely day that is. Yeah, it is

987
00:46:49,533 --> 00:46:54,413
Speaker 10: lit with the CEO pay. Essentially, the boards vote and

988
00:46:54,453 --> 00:46:56,973
Speaker 10: they set the pay limit because the high that they

989
00:46:57,013 --> 00:46:59,253
Speaker 10: can set that limit, the more that they get paid.

990
00:46:59,293 --> 00:47:02,253
Speaker 10: It's for their fees. So if you break that formula

991
00:47:02,533 --> 00:47:05,053
Speaker 10: then you have probably a bit more chance of lowering

992
00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:08,493
Speaker 10: the CEO pay. Yeah.

993
00:47:08,773 --> 00:47:13,573
Speaker 3: Do you think that that that that that system works

994
00:47:13,613 --> 00:47:17,813
Speaker 3: to the detriment of companies and in New Zealand.

995
00:47:19,173 --> 00:47:19,493
Speaker 24: I don't.

996
00:47:19,533 --> 00:47:22,133
Speaker 10: I don't think it's the right attitude, if you know

997
00:47:22,133 --> 00:47:25,573
Speaker 10: what I mean in terms of there's supposed to be

998
00:47:25,613 --> 00:47:28,093
Speaker 10: a level of quality and caliber within the board that

999
00:47:28,253 --> 00:47:31,333
Speaker 10: drive the direction of the company and using the CEOs

1000
00:47:31,373 --> 00:47:35,453
Speaker 10: the mask set of that direction. Now, so they say, hey,

1001
00:47:35,493 --> 00:47:37,853
Speaker 10: this is our value that we're putting into you. But

1002
00:47:37,893 --> 00:47:40,613
Speaker 10: their value is set and it's all determined by the

1003
00:47:40,613 --> 00:47:44,973
Speaker 10: calculation of the CEO's package. So if you were allow

1004
00:47:45,053 --> 00:47:46,813
Speaker 10: that package, you would lower their fees and they would

1005
00:47:46,813 --> 00:47:48,053
Speaker 10: get a little bit crumpy about that.

1006
00:47:48,933 --> 00:47:50,333
Speaker 4: So you think there's a conflict there.

1007
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:55,413
Speaker 10: I think there's a vest of interest, which is a

1008
00:47:55,533 --> 00:47:58,373
Speaker 10: little bit selfish, you could say.

1009
00:47:59,813 --> 00:48:02,013
Speaker 3: So when you look at the list of these, you know,

1010
00:48:02,053 --> 00:48:05,773
Speaker 3: these top CEOs in New Zealands and what they're getting paid,

1011
00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:09,733
Speaker 3: do you think there are people there don't deserve to

1012
00:48:09,773 --> 00:48:12,133
Speaker 3: be there? Do you think the thing the system is

1013
00:48:12,733 --> 00:48:16,893
Speaker 3: getting the wrong CEOs? So like Gary Miles from gen Track,

1014
00:48:16,933 --> 00:48:19,213
Speaker 3: for example, he's paid seventeen million dollars.

1015
00:48:19,693 --> 00:48:22,172
Speaker 10: Seventeen million dollars, Yeah, I guess you got to look

1016
00:48:22,173 --> 00:48:25,093
Speaker 10: at the performance. What is he doing, what strategies is

1017
00:48:25,133 --> 00:48:27,933
Speaker 10: he putting in place, or what changes of direction has

1018
00:48:27,973 --> 00:48:31,252
Speaker 10: he taking that company that generates at least that type

1019
00:48:31,293 --> 00:48:32,693
Speaker 10: of profit for the year for the company.

1020
00:48:32,973 --> 00:48:36,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think I think his huge pay is

1021
00:48:37,533 --> 00:48:41,413
Speaker 3: due to the performance of the company and you know,

1022
00:48:42,133 --> 00:48:44,453
Speaker 3: goals that were set in there for him to achieve.

1023
00:48:44,933 --> 00:48:46,773
Speaker 3: So I think if you're looking at gen Track, you're

1024
00:48:46,773 --> 00:48:48,813
Speaker 3: probably going well, that we've done very well, All of

1025
00:48:48,853 --> 00:48:52,493
Speaker 3: us have done very well. And you know, if those

1026
00:48:52,493 --> 00:48:54,692
Speaker 3: goals hadn't been met, then then he wouldn't be getting

1027
00:48:54,733 --> 00:48:56,453
Speaker 3: paid that much, but the company wouldn't be making that

1028
00:48:56,533 --> 00:48:57,053
Speaker 3: much as well.

1029
00:48:57,933 --> 00:49:00,573
Speaker 10: No, and is he changing his strategy year on year

1030
00:49:00,613 --> 00:49:03,812
Speaker 10: out to reflect that question?

1031
00:49:03,973 --> 00:49:05,693
Speaker 3: To be honesty? And I I hadn't even heard of

1032
00:49:05,733 --> 00:49:06,933
Speaker 3: gin track and talk this morning.

1033
00:49:08,653 --> 00:49:10,893
Speaker 2: I've got here is a salary went up three hundred

1034
00:49:10,933 --> 00:49:12,933
Speaker 2: and seventy one percent year on year. So that's not

1035
00:49:12,973 --> 00:49:16,573
Speaker 2: too bad. But that's you know, that's not you can't

1036
00:49:16,613 --> 00:49:18,253
Speaker 2: keep doing that year on you can you? Maybe you

1037
00:49:18,293 --> 00:49:19,773
Speaker 2: can if it keeps going up and up and up.

1038
00:49:19,813 --> 00:49:25,853
Speaker 3: Well, he's triggered some some performance bonuses or whatever that

1039
00:49:25,933 --> 00:49:28,053
Speaker 3: the board of directors thought he needed to do to

1040
00:49:28,053 --> 00:49:29,013
Speaker 3: get paid that much.

1041
00:49:28,893 --> 00:49:29,093
Speaker 7: You know.

1042
00:49:29,173 --> 00:49:31,733
Speaker 10: So, yeah, this takes you back to the original formula.

1043
00:49:31,733 --> 00:49:33,413
Speaker 10: If the board of director to say, yeah, yeah, you

1044
00:49:33,453 --> 00:49:35,573
Speaker 10: go for it, you set that, you hit that, then

1045
00:49:35,573 --> 00:49:36,373
Speaker 10: we all hit it too.

1046
00:49:37,013 --> 00:49:38,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they share in the spoils.

1047
00:49:38,813 --> 00:49:42,053
Speaker 2: But it is quite often governed by by shareholders as well. Right,

1048
00:49:42,253 --> 00:49:44,693
Speaker 2: you know, the board answers to the shareholders if the

1049
00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:47,172
Speaker 2: shareholders are doing well, out of the company. Then they're

1050
00:49:47,173 --> 00:49:49,813
Speaker 2: pretty happy with the CEO. Then CEO gets a nice bump.

1051
00:49:50,173 --> 00:49:52,413
Speaker 2: But I see some of the questions coming through, and

1052
00:49:52,453 --> 00:49:55,293
Speaker 2: it's it's every time this list is put together, and

1053
00:49:55,333 --> 00:49:57,613
Speaker 2: some of the CEO's are a bit cagy about having their

1054
00:49:57,653 --> 00:50:01,173
Speaker 2: salary made public. But the question always is why doesn't

1055
00:50:01,213 --> 00:50:03,933
Speaker 2: that flow back down the down the line? So it

1056
00:50:03,973 --> 00:50:05,893
Speaker 2: goes you know, the CEO gets a nice bump because

1057
00:50:05,933 --> 00:50:09,013
Speaker 2: the company's doing well. Should that then start to filter

1058
00:50:09,133 --> 00:50:11,613
Speaker 2: through to some of the other employees because they're part

1059
00:50:11,653 --> 00:50:12,293
Speaker 2: of the machine?

1060
00:50:13,533 --> 00:50:17,413
Speaker 10: I agree? And then adding into that, shouldn't maybe different

1061
00:50:17,773 --> 00:50:21,973
Speaker 10: text thresholds to the CEO at that point as well?

1062
00:50:22,253 --> 00:50:24,893
Speaker 10: You know, that's that's that's sort of riding along happily

1063
00:50:24,933 --> 00:50:26,813
Speaker 10: at the thirty three or thirty eight percent of whatever

1064
00:50:26,813 --> 00:50:30,013
Speaker 10: it is. Shouldn't they go higher once they've achieved the

1065
00:50:30,093 --> 00:50:33,933
Speaker 10: X amount of percentage above you know of that target.

1066
00:50:34,253 --> 00:50:36,093
Speaker 3: Do you think you're paid fairly for what you do

1067
00:50:36,173 --> 00:50:36,573
Speaker 3: in life?

1068
00:50:36,773 --> 00:50:39,853
Speaker 10: Dean, Yes, yes I do.

1069
00:50:39,853 --> 00:50:41,653
Speaker 3: Do you ever think I wish I was a CEO?

1070
00:50:42,893 --> 00:50:43,013
Speaker 24: No?

1071
00:50:43,933 --> 00:50:45,373
Speaker 4: Yeah, me?

1072
00:50:45,493 --> 00:50:49,212
Speaker 2: Neither me neither, Because when times are good, it's very good.

1073
00:50:49,213 --> 00:50:51,533
Speaker 2: But when times are bad, you know, You've seen a

1074
00:50:51,533 --> 00:50:55,373
Speaker 2: lot of CEOs who have run into some serious head sparence.

1075
00:50:55,373 --> 00:50:59,893
Speaker 2: For example, for Fonterra, he is hated, hated, despised, and

1076
00:51:00,013 --> 00:51:01,933
Speaker 2: I mean rest his soul because he's passed away. But

1077
00:51:02,013 --> 00:51:03,172
Speaker 2: that's where it can go wrong, right.

1078
00:51:03,133 --> 00:51:05,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what about what about when you're being chased

1079
00:51:05,853 --> 00:51:08,292
Speaker 3: around You're you know, you're the head of a font

1080
00:51:08,373 --> 00:51:12,292
Speaker 3: here and you've been chased around by rabid TVNZ employees

1081
00:51:12,693 --> 00:51:13,813
Speaker 3: about the price of butter.

1082
00:51:13,893 --> 00:51:15,853
Speaker 4: Yeah, private citizen chase down the road.

1083
00:51:16,213 --> 00:51:18,013
Speaker 3: I mean, that's one of the most insane things we've seen.

1084
00:51:18,013 --> 00:51:20,293
Speaker 3: I think that was a misunderstanding of what a reporter

1085
00:51:20,333 --> 00:51:22,293
Speaker 3: is supposed to do. I think person that did that

1086
00:51:22,333 --> 00:51:24,773
Speaker 3: hasn't is sort of making up what you're supposed to do.

1087
00:51:24,853 --> 00:51:26,253
Speaker 3: But that was insane, right it was.

1088
00:51:26,453 --> 00:51:28,933
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean she's a repeat offender, that particular reporter.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you so much for it for your thoughts, Dean.

1090
00:51:33,413 --> 00:51:36,813
Speaker 3: This text says, it's just a bunch of old men

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00:51:36,853 --> 00:51:39,853
Speaker 3: paying each other more and more because they went to

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00:51:39,893 --> 00:51:43,373
Speaker 3: the same boys school as them. The average cleaner and

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00:51:43,373 --> 00:51:46,533
Speaker 3: a company brings more worth than the stuffed suits at

1094
00:51:46,573 --> 00:51:46,933
Speaker 3: the top.

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00:51:48,413 --> 00:51:48,533
Speaker 23: Is it?

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00:51:48,613 --> 00:51:51,213
Speaker 3: A text from nineteen thirty. That's the most ye oldie.

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00:51:51,733 --> 00:51:53,013
Speaker 3: The stuffed suits at the top.

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00:51:53,333 --> 00:51:56,293
Speaker 25: It's just a bunch of old men paying each other

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00:51:56,373 --> 00:52:00,053
Speaker 25: more and more because they want so. I went to

1100
00:52:00,093 --> 00:52:03,133
Speaker 25: the same boys school as the average cleaner at a company.

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00:52:03,173 --> 00:52:05,373
Speaker 25: Brings more worth to that than the stuff.

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00:52:05,533 --> 00:52:09,293
Speaker 3: At the top. Beautifully done. What about it's you know

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00:52:09,413 --> 00:52:12,172
Speaker 3: that you you? I don't. I don't think just looking

1104
00:52:12,213 --> 00:52:14,333
Speaker 3: at this list that all of them went to the

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00:52:14,333 --> 00:52:19,093
Speaker 3: same boys school. I'm looking at Antonio Watson, the CEO

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00:52:19,133 --> 00:52:19,773
Speaker 3: of vans.

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00:52:19,533 --> 00:52:21,933
Speaker 4: It yep, Victoria Short she's on the top ten.

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00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:24,093
Speaker 3: I don't think they went to the same They're not

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00:52:24,133 --> 00:52:25,413
Speaker 3: old men that went to the same.

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00:52:25,613 --> 00:52:28,453
Speaker 4: They are certainly not old men's the same boys school.

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00:52:28,733 --> 00:52:29,733
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for that.

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00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:31,933
Speaker 2: Tis keep your tiss coming through on nine to two

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00:52:32,053 --> 00:52:34,053
Speaker 2: ninety two, but taking your calls, oh eight hundred eighty

1114
00:52:34,133 --> 00:52:37,493
Speaker 2: ten eighty. So are these private ceo salaries getting out

1115
00:52:37,533 --> 00:52:41,813
Speaker 2: of hand? Or do they earn every cent that they get?

1116
00:52:41,853 --> 00:52:43,652
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? It

1117
00:52:43,733 --> 00:52:45,133
Speaker 2: is twenty three pass two bag very.

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00:52:45,013 --> 00:52:52,573
Speaker 1: Shortly, Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh eight hundred

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00:52:52,653 --> 00:52:54,813
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five pass too. So the list of the highest

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00:52:57,413 --> 00:53:00,253
Speaker 2: paid are private CEO's in New Zealand has been released

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00:53:00,293 --> 00:53:01,293
Speaker 2: by The Herald.

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00:53:01,693 --> 00:53:02,973
Speaker 4: Are these salaries justified?

1124
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:03,212
Speaker 5: Away?

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00:53:03,253 --> 00:53:05,212
Speaker 2: Was the executive pay in New Zealand getting a little

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00:53:05,213 --> 00:53:06,893
Speaker 2: bit out of hand? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

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00:53:06,933 --> 00:53:09,893
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call in? Nine nine two

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00:53:09,973 --> 00:53:10,853
Speaker 2: is the text as well.

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00:53:11,013 --> 00:53:13,653
Speaker 3: The sex is I think talking to a Fonterra ceo

1130
00:53:13,693 --> 00:53:15,573
Speaker 3: about a price of butter and other products they sell

1131
00:53:15,693 --> 00:53:18,013
Speaker 3: is a good question. So don't know what you are

1132
00:53:18,053 --> 00:53:21,093
Speaker 3: laughing about. Think I'm going to turn radio off. Okay, chair,

1133
00:53:21,133 --> 00:53:23,013
Speaker 3: turn it off. Don't have to think about it, really

1134
00:53:23,013 --> 00:53:27,373
Speaker 3: easy to do. Do you really think that a private

1135
00:53:27,453 --> 00:53:32,933
Speaker 3: citizen who is the boss of Fonterra, a private company,

1136
00:53:33,853 --> 00:53:37,093
Speaker 3: should be chased down the street? You can ask questions

1137
00:53:37,133 --> 00:53:41,573
Speaker 3: at a press conference they organize, but harassing someone in

1138
00:53:41,613 --> 00:53:46,613
Speaker 3: the street is not. It's very You can harass politician, sure,

1139
00:53:46,653 --> 00:53:49,413
Speaker 3: even then it's you know there's there's limits. But he

1140
00:53:49,453 --> 00:53:52,252
Speaker 3: hadn't committed a crime. You weren't door stopping someone that's

1141
00:53:52,653 --> 00:53:57,533
Speaker 3: that's that's committed a crime, or a public official that's

1142
00:53:57,533 --> 00:54:00,333
Speaker 3: in a scandal. You're following a CEO of a company

1143
00:54:00,333 --> 00:54:03,133
Speaker 3: down the street. That's that's just doing his job.

1144
00:54:03,293 --> 00:54:05,333
Speaker 2: It was theater for the news because that guy in

1145
00:54:05,453 --> 00:54:08,692
Speaker 2: question spoke to that report and on numerous occasions when

1146
00:54:08,733 --> 00:54:10,333
Speaker 2: they ask for it. But chasing a man down the

1147
00:54:10,373 --> 00:54:12,692
Speaker 2: street who works for a private company just a bit

1148
00:54:12,733 --> 00:54:15,573
Speaker 2: of theater. But thank you very much for your six there, Chads. Oh,

1149
00:54:15,653 --> 00:54:16,973
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty, ten eighty.

1150
00:54:17,213 --> 00:54:20,093
Speaker 3: Don't think about it, Chad, just turn it off. Yeah, yeah, yes, Oh,

1151
00:54:20,613 --> 00:54:21,413
Speaker 3: it's a free service.

1152
00:54:21,533 --> 00:54:24,173
Speaker 4: It is one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number

1153
00:54:24,213 --> 00:54:27,293
Speaker 4: two call. I think we've got en, Yeah, get a en.

1154
00:54:27,333 --> 00:54:28,853
Speaker 4: How are you hi?

1155
00:54:28,973 --> 00:54:31,813
Speaker 26: Guys. Firstly, I'd like to say I don't really care

1156
00:54:31,853 --> 00:54:35,013
Speaker 26: what other people earn. And if somebody has got a

1157
00:54:35,093 --> 00:54:38,613
Speaker 26: salary of many millions of dollars, well they've got the job,

1158
00:54:38,933 --> 00:54:42,053
Speaker 26: and instead of being envious of them, go out and

1159
00:54:42,093 --> 00:54:46,013
Speaker 26: get the job, do it yourself instead of making excuses.

1160
00:54:46,773 --> 00:54:51,573
Speaker 26: I've been fortunate enough to know, through actually sport, a

1161
00:54:51,613 --> 00:54:56,093
Speaker 26: lot of very very highly paid New Zealand businessmen, owners

1162
00:54:56,093 --> 00:54:59,693
Speaker 26: of corporations, directors, the works back in the days of

1163
00:54:59,733 --> 00:55:03,293
Speaker 26: Equity Corp And all of those companies, and these guys,

1164
00:55:04,013 --> 00:55:06,253
Speaker 26: they are working from the minute they wake up in

1165
00:55:06,253 --> 00:55:08,853
Speaker 26: the morning till the minute they go to be at night.

1166
00:55:09,653 --> 00:55:11,453
Speaker 26: By that, I mean the minute they wake up, they're

1167
00:55:11,493 --> 00:55:14,813
Speaker 26: thinking about their work, which is working. When they're sitting

1168
00:55:14,853 --> 00:55:17,172
Speaker 26: around at home when they get home from work at

1169
00:55:17,173 --> 00:55:20,573
Speaker 26: ten o'clock at night, they're still thinking about work. It's

1170
00:55:20,693 --> 00:55:24,973
Speaker 26: their life. And as far as I'm concerned, if they

1171
00:55:25,013 --> 00:55:27,692
Speaker 26: want to give away all of their life to earn

1172
00:55:27,813 --> 00:55:30,733
Speaker 26: twenty million dollars a year or good luck to them.

1173
00:55:31,093 --> 00:55:33,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to go back to your first point there, Ian,

1174
00:55:33,733 --> 00:55:36,133
Speaker 3: what I find out is that people go, someone is

1175
00:55:36,173 --> 00:55:39,453
Speaker 3: earning this money so material that the fact that they're

1176
00:55:39,493 --> 00:55:41,733
Speaker 3: earning that and you're earning what you're earning is unrelated.

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00:55:41,773 --> 00:55:45,373
Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned, too, it's a different thing

1178
00:55:45,773 --> 00:55:47,853
Speaker 3: they earn that I don't earn, that I don't have

1179
00:55:47,853 --> 00:55:49,933
Speaker 3: the ability to earn, that no one's willing to pay

1180
00:55:49,933 --> 00:55:52,493
Speaker 3: me that. So me being angry at their earning that,

1181
00:55:52,533 --> 00:55:54,893
Speaker 3: what difference does it make? That doesn't matter?

1182
00:55:55,173 --> 00:55:59,732
Speaker 13: You know, I remember you at the Pinker thing.

1183
00:56:00,173 --> 00:56:00,613
Speaker 3: Oh yep.

1184
00:56:00,653 --> 00:56:03,293
Speaker 26: And I'm a fan of Jordan Peterson. He was asked

1185
00:56:03,333 --> 00:56:06,732
Speaker 26: this question once and he said, there is a very

1186
00:56:06,973 --> 00:56:13,973
Speaker 26: very small group, mainly men who will sacrifice everything to

1187
00:56:14,053 --> 00:56:17,013
Speaker 26: get that job. These are the sort of people that

1188
00:56:17,053 --> 00:56:20,333
Speaker 26: you drop in the forest and people are cutting trees

1189
00:56:20,373 --> 00:56:22,253
Speaker 26: and they just out before them all because they wouldn't

1190
00:56:22,253 --> 00:56:26,013
Speaker 26: have breaks. They just work. And it's a mindset that

1191
00:56:26,053 --> 00:56:29,973
Speaker 26: you and I probably don't have, and we don't desire

1192
00:56:30,093 --> 00:56:32,613
Speaker 26: to be that person. But there are a group of

1193
00:56:32,653 --> 00:56:34,853
Speaker 26: people that that's their goal in life.

1194
00:56:35,253 --> 00:56:36,933
Speaker 4: They're very driven people, no doubt about that.

1195
00:56:37,133 --> 00:56:39,853
Speaker 2: Just to play devil's advocate in so the argument I

1196
00:56:39,853 --> 00:56:42,893
Speaker 2: always see is that there are people within some of

1197
00:56:42,893 --> 00:56:44,933
Speaker 2: these organizations and they may be in the middle, they

1198
00:56:44,933 --> 00:56:47,173
Speaker 2: may be even a little higher, a little lower, but

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Speaker 2: they would make the same argument that they dedicate and

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00:56:49,453 --> 00:56:52,013
Speaker 2: sacrifice a lot to do what's best for the country

1201
00:56:52,653 --> 00:56:56,373
Speaker 2: company rather, but they don't see that same level of

1202
00:56:57,013 --> 00:57:00,493
Speaker 2: reward that a CEO would get. What would you say

1203
00:57:00,493 --> 00:57:03,053
Speaker 2: to those people, AKA that they want to see the

1204
00:57:03,133 --> 00:57:07,493
Speaker 2: rewards that the business get flow down almost to the bottom.

1205
00:57:07,533 --> 00:57:08,933
Speaker 4: What would you say to those people.

1206
00:57:09,253 --> 00:57:11,212
Speaker 26: If you don't like to pay get another job?

1207
00:57:11,893 --> 00:57:14,573
Speaker 4: Yeah, straight up, yep, go become the CEO.

1208
00:57:14,653 --> 00:57:15,053
Speaker 3: You reckon?

1209
00:57:15,853 --> 00:57:19,773
Speaker 26: Oh, it's that is so tough. I've been a sales

1210
00:57:19,813 --> 00:57:23,173
Speaker 26: manager of what you would call a middle sized business.

1211
00:57:23,173 --> 00:57:27,293
Speaker 26: We turned over one hundred million, and the CEO, I mean,

1212
00:57:27,733 --> 00:57:30,213
Speaker 26: I just couldn't deal with the pressure he had to

1213
00:57:30,253 --> 00:57:33,493
Speaker 26: deal with the decisions he had to make that could

1214
00:57:33,493 --> 00:57:37,733
Speaker 26: affect the corporation, could break the corporation. He's responsible for

1215
00:57:37,813 --> 00:57:41,653
Speaker 26: thousands of jobs, and I just don't think it's in

1216
00:57:41,813 --> 00:57:43,893
Speaker 26: me to do that, or it's in him.

1217
00:57:44,773 --> 00:57:47,013
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's interesting what you say, Ian,

1218
00:57:47,493 --> 00:57:49,733
Speaker 3: because you know, I've read a bit about Bezos, you know,

1219
00:57:49,813 --> 00:57:53,733
Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos, and he is, you know, getting Amazon going.

1220
00:57:53,813 --> 00:57:57,853
Speaker 3: He worked like an insane person. Yeah, And I think

1221
00:57:57,933 --> 00:58:00,813
Speaker 3: the cost of being Jeff Beoss is there a lot

1222
00:58:00,813 --> 00:58:03,213
Speaker 3: of money. But I wouldn't want to be Jeff Bezos. No,

1223
00:58:03,253 --> 00:58:05,053
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be one to be in that side that head.

1224
00:58:05,333 --> 00:58:08,173
Speaker 3: He's a very very odd individual. He certainly is, and

1225
00:58:09,253 --> 00:58:13,213
Speaker 3: on all kinds of working spectrums and just so singularly

1226
00:58:13,213 --> 00:58:15,533
Speaker 3: focused on what he did. It's being paid in an

1227
00:58:15,573 --> 00:58:18,373
Speaker 3: insane amount of money for it. But I would not

1228
00:58:18,413 --> 00:58:20,693
Speaker 3: want to be Jeff Bezos. For all the money Jeff Besis, he.

1229
00:58:20,773 --> 00:58:23,173
Speaker 2: It seems exhausting to be in that brain of his. Yeah, Oh,

1230
00:58:23,173 --> 00:58:24,853
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty What do you say?

1231
00:58:24,893 --> 00:58:25,533
Speaker 4: Do you agree with?

1232
00:58:25,733 --> 00:58:30,173
Speaker 2: N Are the CEOs worth every cent that they are getting?

1233
00:58:30,253 --> 00:58:32,213
Speaker 4: And they are getting a lot of cents. According to

1234
00:58:32,213 --> 00:58:34,453
Speaker 4: the latest report from Zed Heralds.

1235
00:58:34,293 --> 00:58:37,573
Speaker 3: This text has come through here here Ian Yeah, Clap, clap, clap.

1236
00:58:37,733 --> 00:58:40,853
Speaker 3: Keep If that's from Gary Miles from I'm.

1237
00:58:40,733 --> 00:58:43,613
Speaker 2: Sure it is seventeen million bucks nineteen ninety two is

1238
00:58:43,653 --> 00:58:44,213
Speaker 2: their text.

1239
00:58:44,373 --> 00:58:48,653
Speaker 4: It is bang on past two U's talk, said b.

1240
00:58:49,013 --> 00:58:52,733
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1242
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1243
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1244
00:59:03,093 --> 00:59:06,093
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1245
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Speaker 17: the Air Forces and ruins, and most of the regime

1246
00:59:09,053 --> 00:59:12,813
Speaker 17: leaders are now dead. One roof's former chief has been

1247
00:59:12,853 --> 00:59:16,253
Speaker 17: named as the business executive convicted of paying an underage

1248
00:59:16,293 --> 00:59:19,813
Speaker 17: girl for sexual services. Sixty year old Greg Hornblower is

1249
00:59:19,853 --> 00:59:22,853
Speaker 17: sentenced to ten months home detention earlier this month and

1250
00:59:22,973 --> 00:59:27,493
Speaker 17: find three thousand dollars. Months of tense pay negotiations with

1251
00:59:27,613 --> 00:59:31,453
Speaker 17: primary teachers have ended with a deal The agreement gives

1252
00:59:31,493 --> 00:59:34,373
Speaker 17: top level teachers a four point seven percent pay rise

1253
00:59:34,413 --> 00:59:38,333
Speaker 17: by January, while others receive a four point six A

1254
00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:41,453
Speaker 17: big promotion for National Minister Chris Penk in today's cabinet

1255
00:59:41,453 --> 00:59:45,893
Speaker 17: reshuffle as he picks up the defense at GCSB, NZIS

1256
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1257
00:59:50,293 --> 00:59:52,733
Speaker 17: were shut this morning due to a system eraror. The

1258
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Speaker 17: entire network will be closed again tomorrow for upgrades and

1259
00:59:56,013 --> 01:00:00,253
Speaker 17: preparation for the upcoming city rail Link. Plus US company

1260
01:00:00,293 --> 01:00:02,693
Speaker 17: wins consent for a six hundred and fifty million dollar

1261
01:00:02,813 --> 01:00:07,293
Speaker 17: takeover of Wellington Parts Trader. Read more at Enzet Herald Premium.

1262
01:00:07,453 --> 01:00:08,693
Speaker 17: Now back to mattin Tyler.

1263
01:00:08,773 --> 01:00:10,733
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Wendy. So we're talking about record

1264
01:00:10,733 --> 01:00:13,853
Speaker 2: breaking CEO pay back in the headlines. New Zealand Herald

1265
01:00:14,213 --> 01:00:17,333
Speaker 2: has done an in depth look at how much our

1266
01:00:17,373 --> 01:00:20,413
Speaker 2: private CEOs get paid. They've done the top ten and

1267
01:00:20,453 --> 01:00:22,533
Speaker 2: at number one by long mile is a guy called

1268
01:00:22,573 --> 01:00:25,693
Speaker 2: Gary Miles seventeen million dollars for a company called gen Track.

1269
01:00:25,813 --> 01:00:27,093
Speaker 2: So is that getting out of hand?

1270
01:00:27,333 --> 01:00:30,093
Speaker 4: Seventeen million? Seventeen million not bad pay?

1271
01:00:31,413 --> 01:00:34,613
Speaker 3: CEO paces Jason the market of CEOs, and what they

1272
01:00:34,693 --> 01:00:37,053
Speaker 3: get paid is essentially the same as professional sports people.

1273
01:00:37,133 --> 01:00:39,693
Speaker 3: They get paid what team's prepared to pay them, just

1274
01:00:39,693 --> 01:00:42,333
Speaker 3: as the CEOs get paid what companies are prepared to

1275
01:00:42,333 --> 01:00:44,613
Speaker 3: pay them. The top CEO's demand high salaries, just like

1276
01:00:44,653 --> 01:00:47,213
Speaker 3: the top sports people demand the high salaries, and if

1277
01:00:47,253 --> 01:00:49,933
Speaker 3: you don't perform, you're gone with a big exit payment,

1278
01:00:49,973 --> 01:00:52,373
Speaker 3: of course. Jason, Yeah, but I mean that's kind of

1279
01:00:52,373 --> 01:00:54,933
Speaker 3: the way I look at it as well, Right, So

1280
01:00:55,173 --> 01:00:57,133
Speaker 3: you have to be in a position and there's very

1281
01:00:57,133 --> 01:01:00,853
Speaker 3: few people that get there to be desired to the

1282
01:01:00,853 --> 01:01:02,693
Speaker 3: point where you become a CEO and get paid that

1283
01:01:02,773 --> 01:01:05,453
Speaker 3: kind of money. It's the same thing as being shohe

1284
01:01:05,493 --> 01:01:09,933
Speaker 3: or Tani yep. So I can't be him, So I

1285
01:01:09,973 --> 01:01:11,933
Speaker 3: can't be annoyed that he gets paid seven hundred million

1286
01:01:11,933 --> 01:01:15,293
Speaker 3: dollars to play baseball for the Los Angeles Dodgers. Yeah,

1287
01:01:15,413 --> 01:01:18,653
Speaker 3: quite the reverse. Actually, I'm very pleased because I'm a

1288
01:01:18,693 --> 01:01:21,333
Speaker 3: big fan and the Emacs are doing it that sport.

1289
01:01:21,453 --> 01:01:22,933
Speaker 3: Yea more than it's ever been.

1290
01:01:22,973 --> 01:01:25,733
Speaker 2: But that's a fair point, high risk, high rewards. Keep

1291
01:01:25,773 --> 01:01:29,733
Speaker 2: those teaps coming through, Camal, How are you, I'm good?

1292
01:01:29,773 --> 01:01:33,053
Speaker 2: Thank you, Keen on your thoughts about the CEO pay.

1293
01:01:33,693 --> 01:01:34,453
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely.

1294
01:01:34,653 --> 01:01:37,933
Speaker 24: Well, Well, to be really honest, that's not just the

1295
01:01:38,053 --> 01:01:41,253
Speaker 24: CEO that works for the company. There are people down

1296
01:01:41,333 --> 01:01:44,773
Speaker 24: the line that are actually making the sales, reaching the targets,

1297
01:01:45,053 --> 01:01:48,093
Speaker 24: and that's how the CEO is able to use all

1298
01:01:48,173 --> 01:01:51,533
Speaker 24: those resources to get a company on a different level,

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01:01:52,013 --> 01:01:54,973
Speaker 24: it's not just the CEO. I mean, it's ridiculous to

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01:01:55,013 --> 01:01:57,893
Speaker 24: come to think about it. If a CEO is getting

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01:01:58,093 --> 01:02:02,573
Speaker 24: a cap of ten million dollars, fine, but the rest

1302
01:02:02,613 --> 01:02:05,973
Speaker 24: of the money can be given to the lower line

1303
01:02:06,053 --> 01:02:09,093
Speaker 24: people to have a better lifestyle. I mean, yes, they

1304
01:02:09,093 --> 01:02:12,533
Speaker 24: can't take the responsibility off a CEO, but that doesn't

1305
01:02:12,533 --> 01:02:15,293
Speaker 24: mean that they don't wake up doing their job thinking

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01:02:15,333 --> 01:02:18,213
Speaker 24: about their job or go sleeping thinking about it. As

1307
01:02:18,213 --> 01:02:21,613
Speaker 24: a sales person, you are always thinking about your job,

1308
01:02:21,693 --> 01:02:24,693
Speaker 24: even while you're not at work. You're thinking about how

1309
01:02:24,733 --> 01:02:27,653
Speaker 24: you quite can't get the next fail or get the

1310
01:02:27,733 --> 01:02:30,693
Speaker 24: bonus that you're supposed to get in the next month.

1311
01:02:31,053 --> 01:02:34,853
Speaker 24: So I just think it's really ridiculous for people to

1312
01:02:35,093 --> 01:02:38,013
Speaker 24: just think that, oh, it's because he's able to handle

1313
01:02:38,053 --> 01:02:41,413
Speaker 24: the responsibility, then he should get the most x amount

1314
01:02:41,453 --> 01:02:43,413
Speaker 24: of money. That's ridiculous.

1315
01:02:43,573 --> 01:02:45,493
Speaker 3: What about what about? What about this argument?

1316
01:02:45,573 --> 01:02:45,813
Speaker 21: Though?

1317
01:02:46,013 --> 01:02:49,613
Speaker 3: Say, if you have a really efficient CEO, like a

1318
01:02:49,733 --> 01:02:53,333
Speaker 3: really well functioning CEO, then the company does very well.

1319
01:02:53,373 --> 01:02:56,173
Speaker 3: Then everyone keeps their jobs. If you have a bad

1320
01:02:56,253 --> 01:03:01,253
Speaker 3: CEO who makes bad decisions, then the company goes poorly

1321
01:03:01,853 --> 01:03:04,373
Speaker 3: and everyone loses their job.

1322
01:03:05,813 --> 01:03:09,373
Speaker 24: That's harpyable. Like I mean, if you think about it, right,

1323
01:03:09,933 --> 01:03:13,213
Speaker 24: a CEO that gets ten million dollars, his life is

1324
01:03:13,333 --> 01:03:17,973
Speaker 24: very comfortable. He is doing well whatever the job that

1325
01:03:18,053 --> 01:03:21,733
Speaker 24: he may be doing is. Ten million dollars is sufficient

1326
01:03:21,773 --> 01:03:24,733
Speaker 24: amount of money for a person to be working at

1327
01:03:24,853 --> 01:03:28,133
Speaker 24: least sixteen hours a day. But do you really think

1328
01:03:28,253 --> 01:03:33,573
Speaker 24: that nine hundred dollars or eight hundred dollars it's sufficient

1329
01:03:33,733 --> 01:03:36,813
Speaker 24: enough money for the people on the lower lines to

1330
01:03:36,893 --> 01:03:37,773
Speaker 24: be doing.

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01:03:37,933 --> 01:03:41,613
Speaker 3: Like, I totally get your agment, but I guess we

1332
01:03:41,653 --> 01:03:45,213
Speaker 3: don't decide. The board decides, and the shareholders decided. So

1333
01:03:45,493 --> 01:03:48,613
Speaker 3: someone decides that that that CEO is worth getting in,

1334
01:03:49,493 --> 01:03:52,213
Speaker 3: much like a sports team tries to get in the

1335
01:03:52,253 --> 01:03:54,773
Speaker 3: most valuable players to make their team go well. So

1336
01:03:54,813 --> 01:03:57,613
Speaker 3: the board decided, so they will make the come to

1337
01:03:57,653 --> 01:03:58,653
Speaker 3: go well members.

1338
01:03:58,853 --> 01:04:01,013
Speaker 24: Yeah, well, I think we should change the board members

1339
01:04:01,053 --> 01:04:06,133
Speaker 24: and say, maybe somebody to think, Okay, let's put a

1340
01:04:06,173 --> 01:04:10,613
Speaker 24: cap on this. If we get maximum mind of profits,

1341
01:04:10,933 --> 01:04:13,933
Speaker 24: we give them ten million dollars and the rest will

1342
01:04:13,973 --> 01:04:15,533
Speaker 24: invest back into our employees.

1343
01:04:15,653 --> 01:04:17,533
Speaker 3: Do you agree with that across the board? What about

1344
01:04:17,533 --> 01:04:20,093
Speaker 3: people moving up through the company and getting promoted, because

1345
01:04:20,093 --> 01:04:22,693
Speaker 3: it's not only in successful companies. It's not over the

1346
01:04:22,733 --> 01:04:24,133
Speaker 3: CEO that gets paid a lot of money.

1347
01:04:24,373 --> 01:04:27,333
Speaker 24: I believe that if somebody is working hard enough, they

1348
01:04:27,373 --> 01:04:30,973
Speaker 24: do deserve the increement, no doubt about that.

1349
01:04:31,013 --> 01:04:32,933
Speaker 3: Is there a cap on how much people should get paid?

1350
01:04:32,933 --> 01:04:34,213
Speaker 3: Do you think when you yeah.

1351
01:04:34,093 --> 01:04:38,733
Speaker 24: I'm seventeen million dollars, I think eleven million dollars.

1352
01:04:38,773 --> 01:04:39,693
Speaker 6: It's a bit extreet.

1353
01:04:40,213 --> 01:04:41,813
Speaker 24: That's is my point of view.

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01:04:42,573 --> 01:04:44,413
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for sharing. I really appreciate it

1355
01:04:44,373 --> 01:04:44,893
Speaker 3: your ringing in.

1356
01:04:45,133 --> 01:04:47,253
Speaker 2: Would would there be the difference between a good CEO

1357
01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:49,653
Speaker 2: the income that a good CEO if they're getting paid

1358
01:04:49,653 --> 01:04:53,413
Speaker 2: that sort of money, they have a talent at spotting

1359
01:04:53,933 --> 01:04:57,453
Speaker 2: the incredibly good workers that they have. They can spot

1360
01:04:57,493 --> 01:05:00,413
Speaker 2: the talent, and they reward that talent to keep them

1361
01:05:00,413 --> 01:05:02,653
Speaker 2: in the company because it's in their best interest right

1362
01:05:02,693 --> 01:05:04,733
Speaker 2: that they want the best of the best best within

1363
01:05:04,773 --> 01:05:07,773
Speaker 2: their organization to keep the boat going forward and to

1364
01:05:07,813 --> 01:05:09,853
Speaker 2: keep doing as well as some of these companies are doing.

1365
01:05:10,013 --> 01:05:12,773
Speaker 2: So if you are a good CEO, you reward the

1366
01:05:12,813 --> 01:05:15,573
Speaker 2: good people, and then it's on you to be one

1367
01:05:15,613 --> 01:05:18,093
Speaker 2: of those good people, to be a hard worker, and

1368
01:05:18,133 --> 01:05:19,813
Speaker 2: then you can get some of those riches yourself.

1369
01:05:21,013 --> 01:05:24,613
Speaker 24: Oh yeah, I mean it's affable, but the CEO doesn't

1370
01:05:24,653 --> 01:05:27,293
Speaker 24: necessarily go down to the bottom line to see if

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01:05:27,333 --> 01:05:29,653
Speaker 24: everything is going the way he's wanting it to go.

1372
01:05:30,093 --> 01:05:33,653
Speaker 24: I mean, in these big corporation companies, you see people

1373
01:05:33,813 --> 01:05:36,453
Speaker 24: on a daily life that are complaining about life, but

1374
01:05:36,613 --> 01:05:38,893
Speaker 24: still have to go to work because they just have

1375
01:05:38,973 --> 01:05:39,693
Speaker 24: to make a living.

1376
01:05:40,053 --> 01:05:43,533
Speaker 3: Well, the CEO will get a good CEO will make

1377
01:05:43,573 --> 01:05:45,813
Speaker 3: sure that he's getting good reporting or she.

1378
01:05:46,373 --> 01:05:48,293
Speaker 4: No, exactly we're basing that on.

1379
01:05:48,693 --> 01:05:52,253
Speaker 24: We are basing that on the process that the company

1380
01:05:52,373 --> 01:05:57,333
Speaker 24: is making, rather than doing a actually do a saw

1381
01:05:57,773 --> 01:06:00,133
Speaker 24: from the lower line people to see how happy they

1382
01:06:00,133 --> 01:06:02,493
Speaker 24: are in their job. We are just basing this on

1383
01:06:02,853 --> 01:06:06,293
Speaker 24: how much profit a company is making at the moment.

1384
01:06:06,413 --> 01:06:10,693
Speaker 24: With the situation, anybody, even if you're unhappy with your job,

1385
01:06:10,893 --> 01:06:12,093
Speaker 24: you still got to go to work.

1386
01:06:12,173 --> 01:06:14,333
Speaker 3: So do you think that heavy do you think everyone

1387
01:06:14,373 --> 01:06:16,653
Speaker 3: should get paid the same amount or there should be

1388
01:06:16,653 --> 01:06:20,413
Speaker 3: some variation. It could be to skill and training.

1389
01:06:21,573 --> 01:06:24,253
Speaker 24: So what I'm saying, I'm not saying give them also

1390
01:06:24,333 --> 01:06:26,813
Speaker 24: give them a ten million dollars. But if what I'm

1391
01:06:26,853 --> 01:06:29,453
Speaker 24: saying is that if a CEO is kept at like

1392
01:06:29,533 --> 01:06:32,533
Speaker 24: ten million dollars, which I think for an early rate,

1393
01:06:32,853 --> 01:06:35,533
Speaker 24: ten million dollar dollars is a lot of money and

1394
01:06:35,733 --> 01:06:38,693
Speaker 24: the rest amount of money if it's invested, and the

1395
01:06:38,733 --> 01:06:41,053
Speaker 24: people on the lower line who not to say that

1396
01:06:41,093 --> 01:06:42,493
Speaker 24: they might make even more profit.

1397
01:06:42,853 --> 01:06:44,093
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for call. If it was

1398
01:06:44,173 --> 01:06:46,013
Speaker 3: kept at ten million, then no one would be getting

1399
01:06:46,013 --> 01:06:49,293
Speaker 3: them then that amount last year, but just this year

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01:06:49,333 --> 01:06:53,133
Speaker 3: Gary Mills from gin Track due to sort of rear circumstances,

1401
01:06:53,253 --> 01:06:55,693
Speaker 3: was on seventeen million. But the next on the list

1402
01:06:55,813 --> 01:06:59,253
Speaker 3: is seven point seven million a year. So if you

1403
01:06:59,333 --> 01:07:01,213
Speaker 3: kept it at ten million dollars in most of the

1404
01:07:01,293 --> 01:07:02,293
Speaker 3: CEOs would be happy.

1405
01:07:02,333 --> 01:07:04,933
Speaker 2: Nothing would change, Yes, But thank you very much for

1406
01:07:04,973 --> 01:07:07,533
Speaker 2: your call. Colpociate your thoughts and a lot of people

1407
01:07:07,573 --> 01:07:09,453
Speaker 2: agree with you. So yeah, good on you, yep, good

1408
01:07:09,453 --> 01:07:11,293
Speaker 2: on you. Keep those calls coming through. On oh, eight

1409
01:07:11,413 --> 01:07:14,373
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty it is eighteen to three

1410
01:07:14,453 --> 01:07:15,453
Speaker 2: beg very surely.

1411
01:07:16,333 --> 01:07:19,933
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons taking your calls on

1412
01:07:20,093 --> 01:07:22,613
Speaker 1: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, where's Skoda?

1413
01:07:22,653 --> 01:07:23,573
Speaker 3: Can you crack the god?

1414
01:07:23,733 --> 01:07:24,013
Speaker 4: Please?

1415
01:07:24,093 --> 01:07:27,813
Speaker 2: sCOD codes every day news dogs, they'd be sixteen to three.

1416
01:07:27,893 --> 01:07:30,933
Speaker 2: We're talking about a private ceo salary. So are they

1417
01:07:31,093 --> 01:07:33,653
Speaker 2: justified or are they getting a little bit out of hands?

1418
01:07:34,773 --> 01:07:36,413
Speaker 3: What do we pay the Prime Minister of New Zealand?

1419
01:07:36,453 --> 01:07:38,893
Speaker 3: How well is New Zealand? And? Methinks businesses know something

1420
01:07:38,933 --> 01:07:43,653
Speaker 3: about performance, success and excellence, thing about democracy? Says I

1421
01:07:43,693 --> 01:07:47,053
Speaker 3: guess arguably we're the board of directors and we're the shareholders,

1422
01:07:47,413 --> 01:07:51,013
Speaker 3: and I don't think we would sign off on at

1423
01:07:51,053 --> 01:07:53,173
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister getting seventeen million dollars a year.

1424
01:07:53,253 --> 01:07:55,013
Speaker 4: No exactly, Jimmy, how are you?

1425
01:07:55,933 --> 01:07:56,093
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1426
01:07:56,133 --> 01:07:57,733
Speaker 13: Goodday guys, How are you guys good?

1427
01:07:57,893 --> 01:07:58,453
Speaker 4: What do you reckon?

1428
01:07:59,413 --> 01:08:02,493
Speaker 27: I must agree with the Corra a few calls to

1429
01:08:02,493 --> 01:08:04,493
Speaker 27: go in. I think his name was he still my thunder.

1430
01:08:04,493 --> 01:08:09,893
Speaker 27: But these CEOs and these mega companies are there wide

1431
01:08:09,933 --> 01:08:13,173
Speaker 27: a different way and I think the country just needs

1432
01:08:13,213 --> 01:08:14,933
Speaker 27: to step back a little bit and understand it. If

1433
01:08:14,973 --> 01:08:17,492
Speaker 27: you want to demand that type of income and next

1434
01:08:17,532 --> 01:08:20,013
Speaker 27: type of money. There's a whole lot of sacrifice and

1435
01:08:20,093 --> 01:08:22,253
Speaker 27: risk and time and effort that's gone on to getting there.

1436
01:08:22,733 --> 01:08:25,333
Speaker 27: None of these people are there by fluke. And when

1437
01:08:25,372 --> 01:08:27,572
Speaker 27: you actually look at the companies they are running, the

1438
01:08:27,612 --> 01:08:29,532
Speaker 27: are the ones that are sort of keeping the country going.

1439
01:08:29,572 --> 01:08:30,732
Speaker 27: So we've kind of got to be a little bit

1440
01:08:30,732 --> 01:08:32,333
Speaker 27: careful not to buy the hand that feeds us.

1441
01:08:34,053 --> 01:08:36,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people agree with that, Jimmy,

1442
01:08:36,452 --> 01:08:40,213
Speaker 2: judging by the text machine. What about the grumbles around

1443
01:08:40,293 --> 01:08:43,012
Speaker 2: and I mentioned this earlier, the grumbles around the CEOs

1444
01:08:43,013 --> 01:08:46,293
Speaker 2: of the that as sorry, the bank CEO salary. So

1445
01:08:46,772 --> 01:08:49,532
Speaker 2: you know, there's been a lot of discussion around the

1446
01:08:49,572 --> 01:08:52,012
Speaker 2: profits that banks make in this country. Are we getting

1447
01:08:52,013 --> 01:08:54,732
Speaker 2: a raw deal compared to our Aussies? Do you think

1448
01:08:55,093 --> 01:08:57,293
Speaker 2: bank customers have any right to feel a bit of

1449
01:08:57,333 --> 01:09:01,093
Speaker 2: resentment when they see those sort of figures.

1450
01:09:01,293 --> 01:09:03,933
Speaker 27: It's an argument that exists, but I think it's blending

1451
01:09:04,372 --> 01:09:06,692
Speaker 27: more than one argument together. If you're looking clearly at

1452
01:09:06,692 --> 01:09:10,772
Speaker 27: the performance of the company, than the CEO yes, probably

1453
01:09:10,812 --> 01:09:13,572
Speaker 27: does deserve that. And I think that's one thing that

1454
01:09:13,933 --> 01:09:16,133
Speaker 27: we get probably tied up with in this country as

1455
01:09:16,133 --> 01:09:17,933
Speaker 27: we see the problem that we want an answer to

1456
01:09:18,013 --> 01:09:22,652
Speaker 27: and we attached that to a separate issue, the issue

1457
01:09:22,652 --> 01:09:25,092
Speaker 27: of profit staying on shore or offshore in a company

1458
01:09:25,213 --> 01:09:28,133
Speaker 27: like a bank or a frontier or something like that

1459
01:09:28,372 --> 01:09:30,293
Speaker 27: is kind of irrelevant to what the CEO gets paid,

1460
01:09:30,372 --> 01:09:33,772
Speaker 27: in my view, and I think we're really guilty of

1461
01:09:33,812 --> 01:09:35,293
Speaker 27: that as a country at the moment, because we're all

1462
01:09:35,372 --> 01:09:39,333
Speaker 27: trying to grasp onto some way of justifying how hard

1463
01:09:39,372 --> 01:09:41,333
Speaker 27: our position is and how hard we work, and we're

1464
01:09:41,333 --> 01:09:44,852
Speaker 27: all wanting some sort of relevant reward to justify that effort,

1465
01:09:45,053 --> 01:09:47,732
Speaker 27: and it's really easy to I mean, is that the

1466
01:09:47,772 --> 01:09:50,093
Speaker 27: tall poppy syndrome? I don't know, but I mean I've

1467
01:09:50,093 --> 01:09:52,372
Speaker 27: started from I remember when I started working at was

1468
01:09:52,412 --> 01:09:55,612
Speaker 27: six dollars fifty an hour as a kid, getting up

1469
01:09:55,652 --> 01:09:57,852
Speaker 27: to sort of thirty forty fifty dollars an hour now,

1470
01:09:58,412 --> 01:10:00,412
Speaker 27: it might have been resented because I've spent twenty five

1471
01:10:00,492 --> 01:10:03,612
Speaker 27: years working to get to that point. A lot of

1472
01:10:03,652 --> 01:10:06,412
Speaker 27: these CEOs spend a lot of time also on governance committees,

1473
01:10:07,372 --> 01:10:11,372
Speaker 27: community boards and things like that. I just think relative

1474
01:10:11,412 --> 01:10:15,892
Speaker 27: to what the output is. And I mean, yes, middle

1475
01:10:15,893 --> 01:10:18,852
Speaker 27: management can get very upset and very angry if they

1476
01:10:18,893 --> 01:10:20,452
Speaker 27: can see that the CEO of the people who are

1477
01:10:20,452 --> 01:10:23,333
Speaker 27: above them are getting ten to fifteen, twenty times more

1478
01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:25,692
Speaker 27: than them. But like I said, if you don't like

1479
01:10:25,772 --> 01:10:28,093
Speaker 27: your pay, go out and find it. If you want

1480
01:10:28,133 --> 01:10:31,692
Speaker 27: more money, go and upskill and get yourself in that

1481
01:10:31,692 --> 01:10:33,333
Speaker 27: position to demand that money.

1482
01:10:34,013 --> 01:10:37,013
Speaker 3: It's an interesting point, isn't it. Because it's what I

1483
01:10:37,053 --> 01:10:39,333
Speaker 3: get paid, is what I get paid, But it's because

1484
01:10:39,333 --> 01:10:42,293
Speaker 3: that's what someone will pay me. So if you happen

1485
01:10:42,333 --> 01:10:43,892
Speaker 3: to be the kind of person that someone will pay

1486
01:10:43,933 --> 01:10:46,372
Speaker 3: you that kind of money, then however you got there,

1487
01:10:46,452 --> 01:10:49,093
Speaker 3: that's great. But just to say that someone gets paid

1488
01:10:49,093 --> 01:10:52,452
Speaker 3: too much, that's what someone's willing to pay. Someone has

1489
01:10:52,492 --> 01:10:54,532
Speaker 3: decided that that person is worth too much and that

1490
01:10:54,612 --> 01:10:57,652
Speaker 3: was their decision to make. And someone else has decided

1491
01:10:58,133 --> 01:11:00,732
Speaker 3: what I'm worth to pay, and that was their decision

1492
01:11:00,732 --> 01:11:03,093
Speaker 3: to make. And all the decision that I've got to

1493
01:11:03,093 --> 01:11:06,132
Speaker 3: make as being as competent as I can be and

1494
01:11:06,412 --> 01:11:09,452
Speaker 3: you know, doing what I do and being as valuable

1495
01:11:09,452 --> 01:11:09,852
Speaker 3: as I can.

1496
01:11:10,053 --> 01:11:13,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the world I find.

1497
01:11:13,173 --> 01:11:14,732
Speaker 27: If it was so simple to say, I'll just chuck

1498
01:11:14,772 --> 01:11:15,933
Speaker 27: the board out and then you're just going to have

1499
01:11:15,973 --> 01:11:17,692
Speaker 27: a whole bunch of different people with the same amount

1500
01:11:17,692 --> 01:11:20,412
Speaker 27: of view. I think it has to become Look at

1501
01:11:20,412 --> 01:11:22,452
Speaker 27: the company you're working for, look at the output and

1502
01:11:22,452 --> 01:11:25,013
Speaker 27: what they contributing to society as a whole. And I

1503
01:11:25,013 --> 01:11:27,172
Speaker 27: think if you bring it back to banks and profits

1504
01:11:27,173 --> 01:11:29,372
Speaker 27: and not staying offshore and the fairness of that, I

1505
01:11:29,372 --> 01:11:31,932
Speaker 27: think it's a separate issue, just like it's a separate

1506
01:11:31,933 --> 01:11:33,692
Speaker 27: issue that the man who was in charge of fon

1507
01:11:33,772 --> 01:11:37,852
Speaker 27: terror selling milk powder offshore is automatically deciding the price

1508
01:11:37,893 --> 01:11:40,132
Speaker 27: of butter on the shelf. Separate issue. But we're attaching

1509
01:11:40,133 --> 01:11:42,612
Speaker 27: our emotions, yeah, for the easiest, low hanging fruit.

1510
01:11:42,772 --> 01:11:42,972
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1511
01:11:43,013 --> 01:11:45,532
Speaker 3: I just think it's ridiculous. Why aren't Fisher and Pikell

1512
01:11:45,572 --> 01:11:47,972
Speaker 3: paying me for five point seven million dollars a year?

1513
01:11:48,213 --> 01:11:50,933
Speaker 3: I just can't understand it. Why have fished at the

1514
01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:54,093
Speaker 3: boarder Fisher and Pikell rung up Matt Ethan said, We've

1515
01:11:54,133 --> 01:11:56,732
Speaker 3: got five point seven million dollars if you run the

1516
01:11:56,772 --> 01:11:58,412
Speaker 3: board to be the CEO of their company. I'm angry

1517
01:11:58,452 --> 01:11:59,132
Speaker 3: about I bite.

1518
01:11:59,013 --> 01:12:01,173
Speaker 4: Any time, mate. Their focal will come at some stage.

1519
01:12:01,772 --> 01:12:04,692
Speaker 3: It Thanks for your call, Jimmy, appreciate it.

1520
01:12:04,772 --> 01:12:06,812
Speaker 4: Yeah, great point, Thank you very much. So are you

1521
01:12:06,853 --> 01:12:07,253
Speaker 4: with Jimmy?

1522
01:12:07,253 --> 01:12:07,372
Speaker 1: Oh?

1523
01:12:07,372 --> 01:12:09,492
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten is the number to call

1524
01:12:09,532 --> 01:12:10,932
Speaker 2: if you want to send a tex nineteen nine two

1525
01:12:10,973 --> 01:12:11,372
Speaker 2: is that number.

1526
01:12:11,452 --> 01:12:13,652
Speaker 3: Jerome says, it's not necessarily how much they're worth. That's

1527
01:12:13,652 --> 01:12:17,053
Speaker 3: how much more than other staff. Are they worth three

1528
01:12:17,093 --> 01:12:20,973
Speaker 3: times or ten times more, et cetera. I mean, but

1529
01:12:21,053 --> 01:12:22,932
Speaker 3: that's the thing someone has decided that.

1530
01:12:24,053 --> 01:12:24,812
Speaker 4: You mentioned before.

1531
01:12:24,853 --> 01:12:26,692
Speaker 2: I think at that level what people forget is it's

1532
01:12:26,772 --> 01:12:29,013
Speaker 2: negotiation at that stage, right, you get to that sort

1533
01:12:29,053 --> 01:12:31,972
Speaker 2: of level, It's not like the board advertise and say

1534
01:12:32,133 --> 01:12:33,692
Speaker 2: here is the salary. We're going to put it on

1535
01:12:33,772 --> 01:12:36,212
Speaker 2: seek and if you don't like it, you can walk. Obviously,

1536
01:12:36,253 --> 01:12:39,053
Speaker 2: people of this caliber they get hit hunted, or they

1537
01:12:39,412 --> 01:12:41,613
Speaker 2: approach and say, here's where the negotiats.

1538
01:12:42,013 --> 01:12:45,053
Speaker 4: Negotiation starts. He's the value I'm going to bring. What

1539
01:12:45,133 --> 01:12:45,812
Speaker 4: can you offer me.

1540
01:12:46,013 --> 01:12:48,932
Speaker 2: It's not like most jobs right where you say here's

1541
01:12:48,933 --> 01:12:50,293
Speaker 2: a salary, it's seventy k year.

1542
01:12:50,452 --> 01:12:51,492
Speaker 4: Do you want it? Yay?

1543
01:12:51,692 --> 01:12:51,932
Speaker 1: Nay?

1544
01:12:52,093 --> 01:12:54,293
Speaker 4: Let's go very different at that level.

1545
01:12:54,772 --> 01:12:57,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, well absolutely, Like Tyler, if you kick the boss's

1546
01:12:57,973 --> 01:13:01,852
Speaker 3: door down tomorrow and say I demand seventeen zero point

1547
01:13:01,893 --> 01:13:05,772
Speaker 3: three million dollars, they're going to go, no, it's.

1548
01:13:05,612 --> 01:13:06,733
Speaker 4: Worth more than the company.

1549
01:13:07,933 --> 01:13:09,732
Speaker 3: I've always found it funny, says the text of that

1550
01:13:09,853 --> 01:13:12,452
Speaker 3: as kiwis we really celebrate a great sports person, you

1551
01:13:12,572 --> 01:13:14,973
Speaker 3: hate a great CEO. We treat Steven Adams as a

1552
01:13:15,053 --> 01:13:18,133
Speaker 3: national hero, earning fifteen per million per year, all for

1553
01:13:18,173 --> 01:13:21,492
Speaker 3: playing as sport he loves. I know which job I'd prefer? Yeah, yeah,

1554
01:13:21,572 --> 01:13:23,372
Speaker 3: I mean, boy, if you love a sport and you're

1555
01:13:23,372 --> 01:13:25,412
Speaker 3: good at it and you can get paid fifteen million dollars,

1556
01:13:25,452 --> 01:13:26,253
Speaker 3: haven't you cracked the code?

1557
01:13:26,293 --> 01:13:26,452
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1558
01:13:26,492 --> 01:13:29,652
Speaker 3: But then again, you know you read their biographies. They

1559
01:13:29,692 --> 01:13:33,173
Speaker 3: go through misery. You look at Lewis Hamilton, Sir Lewis

1560
01:13:33,213 --> 01:13:35,652
Speaker 3: Hamilton last year, yep, when he was getting smashed by

1561
01:13:35,652 --> 01:13:39,613
Speaker 3: Scharli Clere every week, his teammate. He was more miserable

1562
01:13:39,772 --> 01:13:42,532
Speaker 3: than nearly anyone, no matter how rich he is.

1563
01:13:42,612 --> 01:13:45,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, poor guy. All right. It is nine minutes to three,

1564
01:13:45,093 --> 01:13:47,133
Speaker 4: beag very shortly, oh eight hundred and eighty ten, eighties,

1565
01:13:47,133 --> 01:13:47,813
Speaker 4: a number.

1566
01:13:48,652 --> 01:13:51,093
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1567
01:13:51,133 --> 01:13:55,012
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

1568
01:13:55,013 --> 01:13:57,492
Speaker 4: They'd be news talks there be.

1569
01:13:57,532 --> 01:14:00,532
Speaker 2: It is seven to three and we're talking about private

1570
01:14:00,572 --> 01:14:03,852
Speaker 2: CEO salaries. The New Zealand Herald has done a deep

1571
01:14:03,933 --> 01:14:06,093
Speaker 2: dive into it and given us the top ten. At

1572
01:14:06,173 --> 01:14:09,532
Speaker 2: number one, Gary Miles, the head of cent Track, earned

1573
01:14:09,572 --> 01:14:13,013
Speaker 2: seventeen million dollars. Number two Dave bought A Lassi the

1574
01:14:13,053 --> 01:14:15,532
Speaker 2: head of a two Milk at seven million dollars. So

1575
01:14:15,732 --> 01:14:18,093
Speaker 2: are they worth that sort of money or is it

1576
01:14:18,093 --> 01:14:19,812
Speaker 2: getting a little bit out of hand? On one hundred

1577
01:14:19,812 --> 01:14:22,892
Speaker 2: and eighteen eighty se number good text here, get a Matts,

1578
01:14:23,013 --> 01:14:25,333
Speaker 2: get a Tyler. I worked in both private and public

1579
01:14:25,372 --> 01:14:28,493
Speaker 2: sectors and have worked with many senior leaders who aspire

1580
01:14:28,893 --> 01:14:31,012
Speaker 2: to be the best. Unfortunately, many of them are stupid

1581
01:14:31,013 --> 01:14:33,692
Speaker 2: and have no self reflection about their own capabilities. When

1582
01:14:33,732 --> 01:14:36,253
Speaker 2: a CEO or senior leader is good, they deserve to

1583
01:14:36,253 --> 01:14:39,613
Speaker 2: be paid whatever it takes for the organization to be successful.

1584
01:14:39,652 --> 01:14:42,213
Speaker 2: They make up for the numpties who tricked their way

1585
01:14:42,213 --> 01:14:46,333
Speaker 2: into jobs because they can use buzzwords. That's from Jason, Sue,

1586
01:14:46,412 --> 01:14:47,452
Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon?

1587
01:14:48,532 --> 01:14:50,652
Speaker 11: I'm really well, Thank you, How are you good?

1588
01:14:50,732 --> 01:14:53,013
Speaker 4: Nice to chat with you, Ken on your thoughts.

1589
01:14:53,572 --> 01:14:59,613
Speaker 11: Well, I'd like to understand whether the seventeen million plus

1590
01:14:59,933 --> 01:15:03,133
Speaker 11: is a salary for the package for the year.

1591
01:15:03,253 --> 01:15:06,133
Speaker 3: Do you know, the young that's the package. So that's

1592
01:15:06,133 --> 01:15:08,932
Speaker 3: an outlier. He's not going to get paid there next year,

1593
01:15:08,973 --> 01:15:13,293
Speaker 3: and it's actually skewed the numbers greatly. He's so far

1594
01:15:13,293 --> 01:15:16,372
Speaker 3: ahead of everyone else about ten million dollars. Ever, because

1595
01:15:16,412 --> 01:15:19,813
Speaker 3: of the package, as you say, soon, okay.

1596
01:15:19,532 --> 01:15:23,532
Speaker 11: So what part of the seventeen million dollars is the salary?

1597
01:15:23,732 --> 01:15:24,213
Speaker 19: Do we know?

1598
01:15:25,213 --> 01:15:27,732
Speaker 2: They've broke it, broke broken it down to the best

1599
01:15:27,732 --> 01:15:30,652
Speaker 2: of their extent, but it's not quite as clear cut

1600
01:15:30,692 --> 01:15:32,732
Speaker 2: because they say as part of the package, obviously these

1601
01:15:32,732 --> 01:15:35,333
Speaker 2: shares involved, there's bonuses involved, and there's a few other

1602
01:15:35,572 --> 01:15:38,213
Speaker 2: bits and pieces, but we don't have that specific figure.

1603
01:15:39,492 --> 01:15:43,213
Speaker 11: Okay, So let's pretend for a moment that the man

1604
01:15:43,333 --> 01:15:49,452
Speaker 11: has done seventeen million dollars for his performance to twelve months. Clearly,

1605
01:15:49,572 --> 01:15:54,853
Speaker 11: the company has done well and his performance has earned him.

1606
01:15:54,973 --> 01:15:56,253
Speaker 24: That amount of money.

1607
01:15:56,652 --> 01:16:00,572
Speaker 11: I say, the company and the board have done really well.

1608
01:16:00,933 --> 01:16:06,492
Speaker 11: They've appointed somebody, given him clear instructions, and he has delivered. Now,

1609
01:16:06,492 --> 01:16:09,812
Speaker 11: if I was a shareholder, i'd been clapping my hands

1610
01:16:10,293 --> 01:16:14,253
Speaker 11: because if he's earning big, so are my shares. The

1611
01:16:14,372 --> 01:16:18,532
Speaker 11: second point I'd like to make is that i'd like

1612
01:16:18,612 --> 01:16:24,173
Speaker 11: to take you guys to task, because all day I've

1613
01:16:24,213 --> 01:16:28,412
Speaker 11: been listening to this and all day I'm hearing people

1614
01:16:29,173 --> 01:16:35,812
Speaker 11: complaining about somebody else's hard earned income based on not

1615
01:16:36,053 --> 01:16:41,812
Speaker 11: full information. So before you continue to spout on about it.

1616
01:16:41,893 --> 01:16:44,892
Speaker 3: Oh god, so come on, you have that's not what

1617
01:16:44,973 --> 01:16:45,732
Speaker 3: you've heard at all.

1618
01:16:46,293 --> 01:16:48,412
Speaker 4: To come on, I thought we'd been pretty fair.

1619
01:16:48,612 --> 01:16:51,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, you made your point, but that's just that's just

1620
01:16:51,213 --> 01:16:53,612
Speaker 3: that's come on, Sue, You're better than that. You have

1621
01:16:53,652 --> 01:16:54,173
Speaker 3: a great day.

1622
01:16:54,412 --> 01:16:56,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much, Sue. I think we've been

1623
01:16:56,173 --> 01:16:58,052
Speaker 2: pretty fair and we're given the information and it's.

1624
01:16:57,973 --> 01:16:59,732
Speaker 3: Been a great bousing on. As I made it clear,

1625
01:16:59,772 --> 01:17:01,852
Speaker 3: I know nothing about gin Track. I just heard about

1626
01:17:01,853 --> 01:17:04,172
Speaker 3: them this morning. We were talking about CEOs in general.

1627
01:17:04,772 --> 01:17:08,093
Speaker 3: So Sue, come on. It's been a good discussion, really

1628
01:17:08,812 --> 01:17:10,612
Speaker 3: a liedown So love you, but come on.

1629
01:17:10,732 --> 01:17:12,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much for your phone call.

1630
01:17:12,372 --> 01:17:14,892
Speaker 2: So I actually really enjoyed that discussion, and thank you

1631
01:17:14,933 --> 01:17:16,133
Speaker 2: to all the other callers as well.

1632
01:17:16,133 --> 01:17:17,053
Speaker 4: You brought a lot to it.

1633
01:17:17,213 --> 01:17:20,372
Speaker 2: Nine two nine to two is the text new Sport

1634
01:17:20,412 --> 01:17:23,732
Speaker 2: and weather Fast approaching. Hope you're happy on this Thursday

1635
01:17:23,732 --> 01:17:26,293
Speaker 2: before the Easter long weekend, because why wouldn't you be.

1636
01:17:27,293 --> 01:17:29,372
Speaker 3: We give both sides of the arguments.

1637
01:17:29,973 --> 01:17:36,012
Speaker 1: News is next, big stories, the big issues, the big trends,

1638
01:17:36,333 --> 01:17:38,372
Speaker 1: and everything in between and kids.

1639
01:17:38,452 --> 01:17:39,932
Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

1640
01:17:39,973 --> 01:17:44,773
Speaker 1: Afternoon squid Shodder News Talk said the it's very good afternoons.

1641
01:17:44,853 --> 01:17:47,852
Speaker 2: You welcome back into the show seven past three.

1642
01:17:48,173 --> 01:17:51,093
Speaker 3: Hey, before we move on from the CEO thing, I

1643
01:17:51,173 --> 01:17:54,012
Speaker 3: was thinking about this audio from the comedian Jimmy Carr

1644
01:17:54,053 --> 01:17:55,812
Speaker 3: and it was in the podcast. It was on the

1645
01:17:55,853 --> 01:17:58,012
Speaker 3: podcast The Diary of a Ceo podcast.

1646
01:17:58,013 --> 01:18:00,293
Speaker 4: Great podcast. It is a good podcast, and I think

1647
01:18:00,333 --> 01:18:00,852
Speaker 4: it's a.

1648
01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:03,532
Speaker 3: Great when it comes to dealing with the natural jealousy

1649
01:18:03,572 --> 01:18:07,012
Speaker 3: mini get when they hear others are getting paid more

1650
01:18:07,093 --> 01:18:10,932
Speaker 3: than them, such like when the list of the highest

1651
01:18:10,933 --> 01:18:13,253
Speaker 3: paid CEOs come out, right, yep, funny they're in judging

1652
01:18:13,293 --> 01:18:16,093
Speaker 3: by a lot of people they found it's triggering. They

1653
01:18:16,133 --> 01:18:17,972
Speaker 3: dobt that other people get paid so much more than them.

1654
01:18:18,532 --> 01:18:24,133
Speaker 3: So it's sometimes and look, this is something that might

1655
01:18:24,213 --> 01:18:26,652
Speaker 3: be helpful that Jimmy Kare suggests that you could think

1656
01:18:26,692 --> 01:18:29,213
Speaker 3: about every morning when you're sharing.

1657
01:18:29,492 --> 01:18:31,852
Speaker 12: When you look at the world that we live in,

1658
01:18:32,013 --> 01:18:36,133
Speaker 12: we're like you're doing. There's been one hundred billion people. Ever, right,

1659
01:18:36,692 --> 01:18:40,333
Speaker 12: top percentile in terms of the luck that we have had.

1660
01:18:41,053 --> 01:18:43,933
Speaker 12: That the lives like the colorific intake that we just

1661
01:18:43,973 --> 01:18:46,293
Speaker 12: take for granted, the fact that our children don't die,

1662
01:18:46,893 --> 01:18:49,852
Speaker 12: you know, in the first year, the modern medicine, and

1663
01:18:50,053 --> 01:18:52,372
Speaker 12: our lives and are the entertainment that we get.

1664
01:18:52,412 --> 01:18:53,812
Speaker 3: We're living like kings.

1665
01:18:54,612 --> 01:18:59,133
Speaker 12: And yet life has never been objectively better and subjectively

1666
01:18:59,293 --> 01:19:04,092
Speaker 12: worse because the nature of humanity is our desires are mimetic.

1667
01:19:04,652 --> 01:19:06,572
Speaker 12: So we've got this thing where we're sort of you know,

1668
01:19:06,772 --> 01:19:09,852
Speaker 12: how happy are you? Well, it's it's your quality of

1669
01:19:09,893 --> 01:19:15,053
Speaker 12: life minus envy. That's how happy you are. And it's

1670
01:19:15,093 --> 01:19:18,692
Speaker 12: easy to look at everyone else and how they're doing

1671
01:19:19,133 --> 01:19:22,732
Speaker 12: and not take pleasure in what you have. You get

1672
01:19:22,853 --> 01:19:26,013
Speaker 12: used to how great your life is. No one had

1673
01:19:26,013 --> 01:19:28,492
Speaker 12: a hot shower until fifty years ago, So I try

1674
01:19:28,532 --> 01:19:30,132
Speaker 12: and do this thing when you stand in a hot shower.

1675
01:19:30,213 --> 01:19:32,213
Speaker 12: George Mack, my friend pointed this out to me. Well,

1676
01:19:32,293 --> 01:19:34,052
Speaker 12: when you're stand in a hot shower, just for a moment,

1677
01:19:34,133 --> 01:19:36,572
Speaker 12: just go well, no one that you admire from one

1678
01:19:36,612 --> 01:19:39,173
Speaker 12: hundred years ago had this simple pleasure in life.

1679
01:19:40,013 --> 01:19:40,772
Speaker 4: Mann, he's good.

1680
01:19:40,933 --> 01:19:46,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's great. I mean Mika, very base level, downstairs

1681
01:19:46,572 --> 01:19:49,892
Speaker 3: focused comedian yep for his day job, and just one

1682
01:19:49,893 --> 01:19:53,333
Speaker 3: of the best philosophers in the world, you know, outside

1683
01:19:53,333 --> 01:19:56,052
Speaker 3: of as being on stage. It's incredible. Of course, real

1684
01:19:56,093 --> 01:19:57,972
Speaker 3: men like me have cold showers. But you get the point.

1685
01:19:59,452 --> 01:20:01,532
Speaker 3: It's the quality of your life. Happiness is the quality

1686
01:20:01,572 --> 01:20:02,852
Speaker 3: of your life minus envy.

1687
01:20:02,933 --> 01:20:05,812
Speaker 4: That was the line that is a beautiful from Jimmy Carr.

1688
01:20:05,853 --> 01:20:07,932
Speaker 2: That's a public service a hit of the Long week

1689
01:20:08,013 --> 01:20:11,492
Speaker 2: ind Oh yeah, right, let's get into this topic speaking of.

1690
01:20:11,492 --> 01:20:13,652
Speaker 3: A public service before the long weekend. Hey, guys and

1691
01:20:13,732 --> 01:20:15,732
Speaker 3: join the show. But it'd be nice if either of

1692
01:20:15,732 --> 01:20:18,133
Speaker 3: you would mention Easter coming up tomorrow. For many of

1693
01:20:18,213 --> 01:20:21,452
Speaker 3: us listening, it is the time to remember Jesus Christ

1694
01:20:21,532 --> 01:20:24,213
Speaker 3: and the actual reason why we have public holidays, the

1695
01:20:24,213 --> 01:20:26,732
Speaker 3: public holiday. Just a requestions, would you read that out

1696
01:20:26,732 --> 01:20:29,173
Speaker 3: for me? Happy Easter to you guys, Yeah we will, crag,

1697
01:20:29,173 --> 01:20:29,812
Speaker 3: I'll read that out for.

1698
01:20:29,812 --> 01:20:32,532
Speaker 4: You totally, absolutely, and happy Easter to you as well. Mates.

1699
01:20:32,612 --> 01:20:34,452
Speaker 2: It is an important event for a lot of people. Hey,

1700
01:20:34,532 --> 01:20:37,212
Speaker 2: just a reminder and about twenty five minutes New Zealander

1701
01:20:37,293 --> 01:20:39,572
Speaker 2: of the Week, so standby for that. But in the meantime,

1702
01:20:39,652 --> 01:20:42,372
Speaker 2: let's have a chat about marriage or lack of marriage.

1703
01:20:42,452 --> 01:20:45,253
Speaker 2: It's becoming less appealing for the younger generations, according to

1704
01:20:45,253 --> 01:20:47,333
Speaker 2: an article in The New York Times, as people no

1705
01:20:47,412 --> 01:20:50,732
Speaker 2: longer see it as essential to adulthoods so they say

1706
01:20:50,772 --> 01:20:55,253
Speaker 2: greater independence, especially for women, along with skepticism about traditional

1707
01:20:55,333 --> 01:20:58,452
Speaker 2: roles and the benefits of marriage, has shifted attitudes. Many

1708
01:20:58,532 --> 01:21:03,173
Speaker 2: now prefer flexible relationships, like long term partnerships or even

1709
01:21:04,133 --> 01:21:05,372
Speaker 2: forever engagements.

1710
01:21:06,093 --> 01:21:08,852
Speaker 3: Why is it greater independence especially for women? Why do

1711
01:21:08,933 --> 01:21:11,213
Speaker 3: woman have less independence than marriage than men?

1712
01:21:12,133 --> 01:21:14,333
Speaker 2: Well, this goes on to the traditional roles. So the

1713
01:21:14,452 --> 01:21:16,612
Speaker 2: article says that women are pushing back. They think the

1714
01:21:16,652 --> 01:21:19,333
Speaker 2: idea of marriage, a man and a woman being married,

1715
01:21:19,572 --> 01:21:22,532
Speaker 2: that there's somehow that tradition that the man has more

1716
01:21:22,612 --> 01:21:25,333
Speaker 2: power in that relationship than the woman. You know, the

1717
01:21:25,372 --> 01:21:27,452
Speaker 2: idea of the father walking her down the.

1718
01:21:27,772 --> 01:21:29,452
Speaker 3: That's someone that's never seen a marriage.

1719
01:21:30,333 --> 01:21:33,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, So I think you can question that

1720
01:21:33,492 --> 01:21:36,772
Speaker 2: whole idea of greater independence if you you know, I'm

1721
01:21:36,853 --> 01:21:39,852
Speaker 2: using the term with quotation marks here tied down, which

1722
01:21:39,893 --> 01:21:42,572
Speaker 2: is an awful saying, but that is where they're getting

1723
01:21:42,612 --> 01:21:45,452
Speaker 2: some of this perception from that somehow, as especially for women,

1724
01:21:45,452 --> 01:21:47,253
Speaker 2: they're going to be tied down in a marriage, so

1725
01:21:47,293 --> 01:21:48,492
Speaker 2: it doesn't appeal to them anymore.

1726
01:21:48,732 --> 01:21:50,412
Speaker 3: A man's tied down in a marriage as well, right,

1727
01:21:50,492 --> 01:21:52,532
Speaker 3: that's and tied down is the wrong word, right. You

1728
01:21:52,652 --> 01:21:55,973
Speaker 3: form a partnership that's that's more powerful than the some

1729
01:21:56,093 --> 01:21:58,532
Speaker 3: of its parts. That's the right idea of a marriage. Yeah,

1730
01:21:58,532 --> 01:22:03,053
Speaker 3: but you're engaged, tyler, Yes? Is that just going to

1731
01:22:03,053 --> 01:22:05,213
Speaker 3: be a forever engagement? Do you think in an engagement's

1732
01:22:05,293 --> 01:22:07,732
Speaker 3: enough or are you going to actually go through with

1733
01:22:07,853 --> 01:22:11,093
Speaker 3: the marriage? I guess back in the day, right, you

1734
01:22:11,173 --> 01:22:16,532
Speaker 3: weren't sleeping in the same beds, and hence why the

1735
01:22:16,532 --> 01:22:19,852
Speaker 3: bride and groom would leave very early have a bunch

1736
01:22:19,853 --> 01:22:22,452
Speaker 3: of cans attached to the back of their car rather

1737
01:22:22,532 --> 01:22:25,372
Speaker 3: than parting. The last wedding I went to, everyone was

1738
01:22:25,412 --> 01:22:29,253
Speaker 3: partying deep into the night, correct, because they didn't have

1739
01:22:29,293 --> 01:22:32,293
Speaker 3: any pressing business that they hadn't been involved in before

1740
01:22:32,532 --> 01:22:35,333
Speaker 3: they needed to rush home to get involved with, right exactly.

1741
01:22:35,772 --> 01:22:40,133
Speaker 3: So that used to move engagements forward pretty quickly, right

1742
01:22:40,652 --> 01:22:42,812
Speaker 3: in the days, when you know.

1743
01:22:42,812 --> 01:22:44,732
Speaker 2: You're getting pretty eager by that stage that you just

1744
01:22:44,732 --> 01:22:46,052
Speaker 2: wanted to seal the deal.

1745
01:22:46,173 --> 01:22:47,452
Speaker 3: I think everyone knows what you're talking about.

1746
01:22:47,532 --> 01:22:50,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can read the subtext there. But yeah,

1747
01:22:50,093 --> 01:22:50,372
Speaker 4: I look.

1748
01:22:50,412 --> 01:22:52,852
Speaker 2: I mean, I've made no secret about the fact that

1749
01:22:53,293 --> 01:22:56,572
Speaker 2: when I was a little bit younger, I wasn't that

1750
01:22:56,692 --> 01:22:58,852
Speaker 2: interested in getting married, just because I didn't think I

1751
01:22:58,933 --> 01:23:02,093
Speaker 2: needed to go and take that final step to say

1752
01:23:02,133 --> 01:23:03,492
Speaker 2: that I'm committed to somebody.

1753
01:23:03,492 --> 01:23:04,092
Speaker 4: But I've changed.

1754
01:23:04,173 --> 01:23:06,572
Speaker 2: I've changed obviously, as soon as I dropped the knee

1755
01:23:06,572 --> 01:23:09,333
Speaker 2: and I engaged them and proposed to Mave, and we're

1756
01:23:09,372 --> 01:23:12,972
Speaker 2: now engaged. Of course, I will go through and finish

1757
01:23:13,013 --> 01:23:14,652
Speaker 2: the job. I mean, that sounds like an awful way

1758
01:23:14,652 --> 01:23:15,093
Speaker 2: to say it.

1759
01:23:15,612 --> 01:23:16,852
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have phrased it that way.

1760
01:23:16,933 --> 01:23:17,972
Speaker 3: Better finish this job.

1761
01:23:19,532 --> 01:23:21,932
Speaker 4: I will walk down the aisle with my beloved Mave

1762
01:23:22,133 --> 01:23:24,652
Speaker 4: and we will get married, and I'm really looking forward

1763
01:23:24,652 --> 01:23:26,412
Speaker 4: to it. Where I didn't used to think like that.

1764
01:23:26,732 --> 01:23:29,452
Speaker 3: Mates, you're patting yourself on the back. You were thirty

1765
01:23:29,572 --> 01:23:32,692
Speaker 3: nine when you asked you to marry you. Yes, thirty nine.

1766
01:23:33,093 --> 01:23:34,132
Speaker 3: But I was wrong.

1767
01:23:34,412 --> 01:23:36,892
Speaker 2: I was wrong to think that marriage didn't matter because

1768
01:23:36,893 --> 01:23:41,853
Speaker 2: I can actually see you know the ritual and the

1769
01:23:41,973 --> 01:23:44,532
Speaker 2: essence behind it. As you said, it's about forming that

1770
01:23:44,612 --> 01:23:47,772
Speaker 2: partnership and a team going forward. And you've got your

1771
01:23:47,973 --> 01:23:50,892
Speaker 2: your companion there, whoever it may be, that you're in

1772
01:23:50,933 --> 01:23:52,372
Speaker 2: it together thick and thin.

1773
01:23:53,173 --> 01:23:55,253
Speaker 4: That is your mate for the rest of your life,

1774
01:23:55,293 --> 01:23:56,572
Speaker 4: and you're going to work as a team to do

1775
01:23:56,612 --> 01:23:58,052
Speaker 4: the best in this thing we call life.

1776
01:23:58,133 --> 01:24:01,772
Speaker 3: Women lose their surnames with marriage. That's not very independent,

1777
01:24:01,772 --> 01:24:04,293
Speaker 3: but they don't have to. You can hyphenate them. You

1778
01:24:04,333 --> 01:24:06,692
Speaker 3: can have one of those Ponzi hyphenated names, like ninety

1779
01:24:06,692 --> 01:24:07,572
Speaker 3: percent of the Warriors do.

1780
01:24:07,812 --> 01:24:10,572
Speaker 4: Yep, exactly. They love that in the Warriors.

1781
01:24:10,612 --> 01:24:12,412
Speaker 3: Were you going to are you gonna make may take

1782
01:24:12,933 --> 01:24:15,293
Speaker 3: the Adam's name she wants to and then have a

1783
01:24:15,293 --> 01:24:16,293
Speaker 3: little Adam's family.

1784
01:24:18,253 --> 01:24:19,372
Speaker 4: That was a sit of for your mate.

1785
01:24:19,692 --> 01:24:22,812
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighties. So if you're a

1786
01:24:22,853 --> 01:24:26,612
Speaker 2: little bit younger or you think that marriage has never

1787
01:24:26,652 --> 01:24:29,333
Speaker 2: been something that you're into, keen to hear your story.

1788
01:24:29,293 --> 01:24:31,612
Speaker 4: I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties at number Craig.

1789
01:24:31,412 --> 01:24:34,612
Speaker 3: Says, I'm him Matt and Tyler, my partner and I

1790
01:24:34,652 --> 01:24:37,852
Speaker 3: have been together for thirty five years, three houses, children

1791
01:24:37,933 --> 01:24:40,572
Speaker 3: together and not married. I don't believe a ring brings

1792
01:24:40,572 --> 01:24:43,732
Speaker 3: commitment as a few friends around us have been married

1793
01:24:43,772 --> 01:24:47,293
Speaker 3: then divorced. We don't see marriage as a must to

1794
01:24:47,333 --> 01:24:49,213
Speaker 3: show our commitment. Cheers Craig.

1795
01:24:49,732 --> 01:24:50,732
Speaker 4: Do you agree with Craig?

1796
01:24:50,853 --> 01:24:53,092
Speaker 3: Well, legally it doesn't make a whole he bit difference,

1797
01:24:53,133 --> 01:24:53,412
Speaker 3: does it.

1798
01:24:53,532 --> 01:24:56,173
Speaker 2: No, if you're with someone for three years, then it

1799
01:24:56,173 --> 01:24:57,492
Speaker 2: gets split down the middle anyway.

1800
01:24:57,532 --> 01:24:59,013
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe that's part of it, because a lot

1801
01:24:59,013 --> 01:25:02,812
Speaker 3: of marriage was, you know, financial for women. I think

1802
01:25:03,412 --> 01:25:06,893
Speaker 3: the text actually says that the women have more independence

1803
01:25:06,973 --> 01:25:09,093
Speaker 3: without marriage comes from the fact that marriage used to

1804
01:25:09,093 --> 01:25:11,372
Speaker 3: be required for women in order to procure a future

1805
01:25:11,412 --> 01:25:14,213
Speaker 3: and financial stability. Now women are able to have financial

1806
01:25:14,253 --> 01:25:18,093
Speaker 3: stability without being married, so it's less of a requirement

1807
01:25:18,973 --> 01:25:23,932
Speaker 3: because often, you know, far from I guess taking away

1808
01:25:23,973 --> 01:25:27,333
Speaker 3: someone else's independence, what you're doing when you're marrying someone

1809
01:25:27,572 --> 01:25:31,812
Speaker 3: is saying I'm going to make you I guess. Actually

1810
01:25:31,812 --> 01:25:33,732
Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense what I'm trying to say. But

1811
01:25:33,812 --> 01:25:36,133
Speaker 3: you're kind of saying, like I'm you're going to be

1812
01:25:36,412 --> 01:25:38,692
Speaker 3: You're not going to have to worry anymore because now

1813
01:25:38,732 --> 01:25:41,972
Speaker 3: you're going to be financially okay. So in a way

1814
01:25:42,013 --> 01:25:42,892
Speaker 3: there's a freedom in that.

1815
01:25:43,173 --> 01:25:45,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, does that still ring true?

1816
01:25:45,372 --> 01:25:45,492
Speaker 11: Oh?

1817
01:25:45,772 --> 01:25:47,012
Speaker 4: Under an eighty ten eighty.

1818
01:25:47,093 --> 01:25:50,012
Speaker 2: If you are about to get married, or you're engaged

1819
01:25:50,053 --> 01:25:52,213
Speaker 2: and you're looking at getting married soon, keen to hear

1820
01:25:52,253 --> 01:25:55,412
Speaker 2: your story. But if you are still under the impression

1821
01:25:55,452 --> 01:25:58,412
Speaker 2: that marriages have really can to hear from you as well.

1822
01:25:58,572 --> 01:26:03,412
Speaker 3: The peral of women is pronounced women, women. Time for

1823
01:26:03,452 --> 01:26:05,852
Speaker 3: me to contact your boss. You're on national radio, No,

1824
01:26:05,973 --> 01:26:09,333
Speaker 3: we're not. You should be setting example people on public radio.

1825
01:26:09,372 --> 01:26:13,293
Speaker 3: We're not on public radio. Should know how to pronounce words.

1826
01:26:13,893 --> 01:26:17,732
Speaker 3: Stop being thick tyler never never, you're not neither. No,

1827
01:26:17,812 --> 01:26:21,612
Speaker 3: we're on commercial radio. We're not on national radio. Yeah no,

1828
01:26:21,893 --> 01:26:23,572
Speaker 3: and we're not on public radio.

1829
01:26:23,612 --> 01:26:25,492
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on marriage? By the way, dear texter, Yes,

1830
01:26:25,612 --> 01:26:28,372
Speaker 2: that's exactly what we're talking about. Please, by all means,

1831
01:26:28,492 --> 01:26:30,253
Speaker 2: keep texting. But what are you reckon about marriage?

1832
01:26:30,253 --> 01:26:34,412
Speaker 3: You seem to be outrageously uptied about woman? Yeah, but

1833
01:26:34,492 --> 01:26:35,932
Speaker 3: what do you think about marriage?

1834
01:26:36,093 --> 01:26:38,093
Speaker 4: Give us a call? Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten

1835
01:26:38,173 --> 01:26:41,133
Speaker 4: eighty is that number? It is sixteen per marriage.

1836
01:26:40,732 --> 01:26:42,333
Speaker 3: And a baby and a baby's.

1837
01:26:41,893 --> 01:26:45,852
Speaker 2: Courage News talk sa'd be eighteen past three? Has the

1838
01:26:45,893 --> 01:26:48,173
Speaker 2: idea of marriage lost? It's sank to tea?

1839
01:26:48,253 --> 01:26:50,012
Speaker 4: Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1840
01:26:50,013 --> 01:26:50,372
Speaker 4: to call.

1841
01:26:51,412 --> 01:26:54,213
Speaker 3: Text for me, Marriage as ritual calls upon ancestors past

1842
01:26:54,293 --> 01:26:56,293
Speaker 3: and for friends and loved ones living in the present

1843
01:26:56,333 --> 01:26:58,892
Speaker 3: to be a witness to a spiritual union of two beings.

1844
01:26:58,973 --> 01:27:02,052
Speaker 3: It's more than just a ceremony. That's from Graham. Yeah.

1845
01:27:02,093 --> 01:27:05,213
Speaker 3: So part of the idea of a marriage, the union

1846
01:27:05,213 --> 01:27:07,173
Speaker 3: of people, is that you're making the statement in front

1847
01:27:07,173 --> 01:27:10,692
Speaker 3: of a low of people. Yes, so you're going I

1848
01:27:10,812 --> 01:27:15,413
Speaker 3: like this person, and a lot of people are witnessing it. Family, friends.

1849
01:27:16,452 --> 01:27:17,772
Speaker 3: It's it's quite a big thing.

1850
01:27:17,853 --> 01:27:19,293
Speaker 4: A lot more people are let down if it all

1851
01:27:19,333 --> 01:27:19,732
Speaker 4: goes wrong.

1852
01:27:19,772 --> 01:27:23,652
Speaker 3: Officials, the celebrant. Yeah, there's a whole pilava. So it's

1853
01:27:23,893 --> 01:27:26,293
Speaker 3: it's it's quite a commitment, doesn't it. It is, just

1854
01:27:26,333 --> 01:27:29,492
Speaker 3: to go through with the wedding is quite a commitment.

1855
01:27:29,532 --> 01:27:31,892
Speaker 3: This text, however, says marriage is an institution. But who

1856
01:27:31,933 --> 01:27:34,293
Speaker 3: wants to live in an institution? However, I did as

1857
01:27:34,333 --> 01:27:37,452
Speaker 3: I get old forty and needed to be careful, big Dave.

1858
01:27:37,692 --> 01:27:39,972
Speaker 4: Good on your Dave cecil, How are you?

1859
01:27:41,013 --> 01:27:41,372
Speaker 6: I'm good?

1860
01:27:41,372 --> 01:27:41,652
Speaker 16: Thank you?

1861
01:27:41,692 --> 01:27:44,692
Speaker 4: How are you good? Ken on your thoughts?

1862
01:27:45,652 --> 01:27:50,132
Speaker 21: Oh just it's kind of I guess slightly. I travel

1863
01:27:50,173 --> 01:27:52,732
Speaker 21: a lot for work, and when I had children with

1864
01:27:52,893 --> 01:27:55,852
Speaker 21: my now husband, it became important that I had the

1865
01:27:55,893 --> 01:28:00,293
Speaker 21: same surname as my children. Oh yeah, so that I've

1866
01:28:00,333 --> 01:28:03,653
Speaker 21: had friends have made the difficulties going through the US

1867
01:28:03,692 --> 01:28:06,532
Speaker 21: without their partner but traveling with the children right by

1868
01:28:06,572 --> 01:28:10,692
Speaker 21: not having the same surname. I mean, yeah, that was

1869
01:28:10,772 --> 01:28:12,172
Speaker 21: just one of the factors when.

1870
01:28:12,093 --> 01:28:14,132
Speaker 3: He wouldn't hit your husband wouldn't take your surname.

1871
01:28:16,013 --> 01:28:20,693
Speaker 21: Oh well, it's probably a hyphen.

1872
01:28:22,532 --> 01:28:25,492
Speaker 5: When we looked at hyphen but it just didn't work together.

1873
01:28:25,612 --> 01:28:28,133
Speaker 3: And I was all them happy to there are some

1874
01:28:28,253 --> 01:28:31,212
Speaker 3: hyphens that just don't work exactly.

1875
01:28:31,492 --> 01:28:33,852
Speaker 16: And look, I have a brother, so he can carry

1876
01:28:33,893 --> 01:28:36,732
Speaker 16: on that the family name that way?

1877
01:28:37,133 --> 01:28:40,213
Speaker 3: Did it mean when you changed your name? Did you

1878
01:28:40,253 --> 01:28:42,773
Speaker 3: know how did that feel? Was that something that you

1879
01:28:42,772 --> 01:28:44,253
Speaker 3: you mourned for one of a better.

1880
01:28:44,093 --> 01:28:49,173
Speaker 16: Word, well from words perspective, as she still work under

1881
01:28:49,173 --> 01:28:51,333
Speaker 16: my maiden names. Yeah, you know, I have my married

1882
01:28:51,412 --> 01:28:54,572
Speaker 16: name separate, so I kind of run off the two,

1883
01:28:55,732 --> 01:28:59,972
Speaker 16: which is almost a safeguarding thing, so that I work

1884
01:28:59,973 --> 01:29:03,133
Speaker 16: in the public that they can't look harder to find

1885
01:29:03,173 --> 01:29:04,652
Speaker 16: me on social media.

1886
01:29:04,732 --> 01:29:06,492
Speaker 13: Put it that way, there.

1887
01:29:06,452 --> 01:29:08,812
Speaker 3: Was there was something that I when I was a

1888
01:29:08,893 --> 01:29:12,132
Speaker 3: kid that shocked me. And my mum was quite a

1889
01:29:12,133 --> 01:29:15,612
Speaker 3: hardcore feminist in some regards, in other ways not. But

1890
01:29:16,853 --> 01:29:20,093
Speaker 3: she once got a letter and it said to miss

1891
01:29:20,133 --> 01:29:23,572
Speaker 3: missus Christopher John Heath and that used to be quite

1892
01:29:23,572 --> 01:29:25,572
Speaker 3: common back in the day that that was too far

1893
01:29:25,732 --> 01:29:28,973
Speaker 3: right when you got letters. That was the thing, though,

1894
01:29:29,053 --> 01:29:29,492
Speaker 3: wasn't it.

1895
01:29:30,612 --> 01:29:32,612
Speaker 21: My mum tells stories of trying to get a bank

1896
01:29:32,652 --> 01:29:35,412
Speaker 21: loan and had to have her a credit card or

1897
01:29:35,452 --> 01:29:38,013
Speaker 21: something along those lines, and my dad had to go

1898
01:29:38,093 --> 01:29:42,133
Speaker 21: in and she wasn't able to. You know, this is

1899
01:29:42,173 --> 01:29:46,372
Speaker 21: only Yeah, it's so true that long ago you mentioned

1900
01:29:46,452 --> 01:29:47,412
Speaker 21: that today, I mean.

1901
01:29:47,492 --> 01:29:50,293
Speaker 3: In my lifetime, it was okay to write a letter

1902
01:29:51,013 --> 01:29:55,172
Speaker 3: to a woman from the bank that said her husband's

1903
01:29:55,213 --> 01:29:58,093
Speaker 3: complete name, including middle name, but with missus in front

1904
01:29:58,093 --> 01:30:01,293
Speaker 3: of it. That's that's quite shocking, really, isn't it.

1905
01:30:02,372 --> 01:30:04,852
Speaker 16: And I think it's just how you view marriage. I mean,

1906
01:30:04,853 --> 01:30:07,652
Speaker 16: for us, it was just the kind of final part.

1907
01:30:07,732 --> 01:30:10,412
Speaker 21: I mean, we did everything backwards anyway. We had children,

1908
01:30:10,532 --> 01:30:13,892
Speaker 21: we bought a house, we did everything else. We were engaged,

1909
01:30:13,933 --> 01:30:15,933
Speaker 21: but we you know, and it just felt like the

1910
01:30:15,973 --> 01:30:20,372
Speaker 21: final piece of the puzzle for us. But I don't

1911
01:30:20,412 --> 01:30:25,293
Speaker 21: see it as an archaic, you know, ownership. I can

1912
01:30:25,333 --> 01:30:27,532
Speaker 21: assure you I hold my own in any acumen.

1913
01:30:27,933 --> 01:30:32,452
Speaker 5: We can tell that, you know, I don't have a

1914
01:30:32,652 --> 01:30:36,732
Speaker 5: permission or anything like that. So I think there are

1915
01:30:37,612 --> 01:30:43,333
Speaker 5: different I guess, religions or cultures that perhaps there is

1916
01:30:43,853 --> 01:30:47,412
Speaker 5: a slightly older view on marriage. But I think in

1917
01:30:47,532 --> 01:30:50,612
Speaker 5: a I guess, and I mean.

1918
01:30:50,452 --> 01:30:51,972
Speaker 21: I qualify as millennial.

1919
01:30:52,053 --> 01:30:55,293
Speaker 16: But I don't like referencing myself.

1920
01:30:55,333 --> 01:30:57,612
Speaker 21: I'd like to be in anything.

1921
01:30:57,293 --> 01:30:59,732
Speaker 4: But I'm in the same camp to see it. What's

1922
01:30:59,732 --> 01:31:01,132
Speaker 4: a dirty word these days? Millennial?

1923
01:31:02,173 --> 01:31:06,093
Speaker 21: Oh, I just I'm on the cuff to come.

1924
01:31:07,293 --> 01:31:08,812
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could choose.

1925
01:31:08,893 --> 01:31:10,053
Speaker 3: The water is lovely over here.

1926
01:31:12,173 --> 01:31:15,012
Speaker 21: I just think, you know, I've got lots of friends

1927
01:31:15,053 --> 01:31:18,452
Speaker 21: who aren't and we decide it's just kind of your

1928
01:31:18,452 --> 01:31:21,012
Speaker 21: own journey. I don't think that anyone who's not married

1929
01:31:21,133 --> 01:31:25,333
Speaker 21: or any differently, you know, it's a great excuse.

1930
01:31:24,973 --> 01:31:26,052
Speaker 19: To have a good party.

1931
01:31:27,173 --> 01:31:29,532
Speaker 3: There is something though, when you refer to someone as

1932
01:31:29,572 --> 01:31:32,772
Speaker 3: your husband or as your wife, that is quite a

1933
01:31:32,812 --> 01:31:35,293
Speaker 3: different thing than saying your partner, Do you know what

1934
01:31:35,372 --> 01:31:35,692
Speaker 3: I mean?

1935
01:31:37,053 --> 01:31:39,333
Speaker 21: Absolutely, that does feel a little bit.

1936
01:31:39,293 --> 01:31:39,892
Speaker 6: More grown up.

1937
01:31:39,933 --> 01:31:44,652
Speaker 21: I get as well. And again referencing, referencing the children,

1938
01:31:44,933 --> 01:31:48,173
Speaker 21: you know, like I just think that you know, mum

1939
01:31:48,213 --> 01:31:51,292
Speaker 21: and dad are married, that it just for them perhaps

1940
01:31:51,853 --> 01:31:55,333
Speaker 21: might feel more secure. I don't. I mean, I'm putting

1941
01:31:55,333 --> 01:31:56,532
Speaker 21: words into their mouths now.

1942
01:31:56,572 --> 01:31:57,013
Speaker 16: I don't know.

1943
01:31:58,253 --> 01:32:00,293
Speaker 2: It's some inters with the last name though, is until

1944
01:32:00,293 --> 01:32:02,452
Speaker 2: you mentioned it, and may Have wants to take my

1945
01:32:02,572 --> 01:32:05,812
Speaker 2: last name. But honestly, honestly, I couldn't care if.

1946
01:32:05,692 --> 01:32:08,132
Speaker 3: She may Maye Adams sounds pretty good, yeah.

1947
01:32:08,412 --> 01:32:09,052
Speaker 4: Rolls off the tongue.

1948
01:32:09,053 --> 01:32:11,412
Speaker 2: But if she decided it was important to keep her name,

1949
01:32:11,492 --> 01:32:12,572
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't disagree.

1950
01:32:12,612 --> 01:32:14,013
Speaker 4: I'd say, yeah, if you want to do that, you

1951
01:32:14,093 --> 01:32:17,092
Speaker 4: do that. I don't, you know, I'm proud of my lineage.

1952
01:32:17,133 --> 01:32:19,092
Speaker 3: If her last name was something really cool like Christmas,

1953
01:32:19,093 --> 01:32:21,132
Speaker 3: would you take her last name Tyler Christmas?

1954
01:32:21,213 --> 01:32:24,853
Speaker 4: Yeah, none for Christmas.

1955
01:32:25,452 --> 01:32:29,452
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for you call no no, you finished.

1956
01:32:29,452 --> 01:32:30,973
Speaker 3: She had one more thought there, so I want to

1957
01:32:31,013 --> 01:32:31,333
Speaker 3: hear that.

1958
01:32:31,772 --> 01:32:34,293
Speaker 21: I was just going to say, it's like when you're

1959
01:32:34,333 --> 01:32:37,293
Speaker 21: naming children, you do have to sound out the name

1960
01:32:37,333 --> 01:32:41,012
Speaker 21: is going to be like the surname doesn't fit, don't

1961
01:32:41,093 --> 01:32:41,492
Speaker 21: take it?

1962
01:32:41,812 --> 01:32:43,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good cool.

1963
01:32:43,572 --> 01:32:48,372
Speaker 3: It was like when Homer was like naming Bartney goes Art. Oh,

1964
01:32:54,133 --> 01:32:55,492
Speaker 3: thank you so much for your call. You sound like

1965
01:32:55,492 --> 01:32:57,173
Speaker 3: you're you're you're doing very well.

1966
01:32:57,253 --> 01:32:58,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much.

1967
01:32:58,692 --> 01:32:59,412
Speaker 3: Sounds like it's working.

1968
01:32:59,853 --> 01:33:02,852
Speaker 2: I've just spotted a text actually on the on the

1969
01:33:02,893 --> 01:33:07,692
Speaker 2: talk of hyphenated names. Can we read that out right there?

1970
01:33:08,053 --> 01:33:10,492
Speaker 2: If that's true, that would be a hyphenated name that

1971
01:33:10,532 --> 01:33:13,253
Speaker 2: would go very wrong. I'll have a think about that.

1972
01:33:13,333 --> 01:33:14,612
Speaker 2: Maybe we read that out after.

1973
01:33:14,452 --> 01:33:16,253
Speaker 3: The break, because a bunch have been coming through and.

1974
01:33:16,293 --> 01:33:18,293
Speaker 4: There could be some joke ones in there. Yeah, I'll

1975
01:33:18,293 --> 01:33:19,173
Speaker 4: do some investigating.

1976
01:33:19,253 --> 01:33:21,973
Speaker 3: My line. Broadcasting Standards Association may come through if I

1977
01:33:21,973 --> 01:33:24,052
Speaker 3: read out a few of those high phenated name jokes.

1978
01:33:24,053 --> 01:33:25,972
Speaker 4: We'll ever think about it, right. It is twenty five

1979
01:33:26,013 --> 01:33:27,012
Speaker 4: bars three back very.

1980
01:33:26,853 --> 01:33:34,372
Speaker 1: Shortly, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1981
01:33:34,372 --> 01:33:36,653
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1982
01:33:37,053 --> 01:33:39,173
Speaker 4: News Talks B twenty seven past three on.

1983
01:33:39,253 --> 01:33:42,133
Speaker 3: The hyphenated names. This makes a really good point, Hi,

1984
01:33:42,293 --> 01:33:45,053
Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler. I'm not sure hyphenated surnames work. If

1985
01:33:45,093 --> 01:33:47,772
Speaker 3: two people with hyphenated surnames get married and have children,

1986
01:33:47,853 --> 01:33:51,852
Speaker 3: then their children will have four hyphenated names or you'd

1987
01:33:51,853 --> 01:33:54,492
Speaker 3: have to pack, wouldn't you. You'll put which ones you want.

1988
01:33:54,333 --> 01:33:56,732
Speaker 4: It we just a cutoff. I mean, how many hyphens

1989
01:33:56,772 --> 01:33:58,293
Speaker 4: can you have in a last name? I think four

1990
01:33:58,333 --> 01:33:59,052
Speaker 4: is probably the max.

1991
01:33:59,133 --> 01:34:00,732
Speaker 3: Well, it might be kind of good in terms of

1992
01:34:00,772 --> 01:34:03,732
Speaker 3: just knowing your lineage. You know, you could just if

1993
01:34:03,772 --> 01:34:06,053
Speaker 3: you end up having one hundred and fifty names and

1994
01:34:06,093 --> 01:34:09,372
Speaker 3: it just references everyone that's been involved and you're getting there.

1995
01:34:09,532 --> 01:34:11,652
Speaker 3: Something nice about that, and you wouldn't have to, you know,

1996
01:34:12,173 --> 01:34:15,213
Speaker 3: school role read the whole thing out. Yeah, but there's

1997
01:34:15,253 --> 01:34:17,972
Speaker 3: something something nice in someone's name sticking with you forever.

1998
01:34:18,652 --> 01:34:20,692
Speaker 3: Welcome Colin. You've been married fifty years.

1999
01:34:22,492 --> 01:34:24,652
Speaker 22: Fifty years when to get a fifty one and.

2000
01:34:24,692 --> 01:34:26,052
Speaker 4: A bit of years congratts.

2001
01:34:26,412 --> 01:34:31,213
Speaker 22: We never had an engagement. We just decided after our

2002
01:34:31,213 --> 01:34:33,933
Speaker 22: son was born that we've got to get married to

2003
01:34:34,013 --> 01:34:38,172
Speaker 22: give him a name as such. Day of the wedding

2004
01:34:38,253 --> 01:34:41,132
Speaker 22: we pushed him in the pram down to the registry

2005
01:34:41,213 --> 01:34:46,853
Speaker 22: office got married. Wedding dinner as such was a hamburger

2006
01:34:46,893 --> 01:34:48,972
Speaker 22: up on top of Mount Victoria. We're looking down well

2007
01:34:49,013 --> 01:34:51,852
Speaker 22: into those days. And went back to work the next day.

2008
01:34:51,853 --> 01:34:55,452
Speaker 22: In a couple of days later, I rang my parents separately,

2009
01:34:55,492 --> 01:34:57,572
Speaker 22: and this says, oh, by the way, I just got married,

2010
01:34:58,293 --> 01:35:00,812
Speaker 22: And the old man turned around and goes, oh, that'll

2011
01:35:00,853 --> 01:35:01,732
Speaker 22: last five minutes.

2012
01:35:03,093 --> 01:35:03,692
Speaker 3: You proved it on.

2013
01:35:04,973 --> 01:35:06,772
Speaker 22: Well, we're the only I'm the only we're the only

2014
01:35:06,812 --> 01:35:10,293
Speaker 22: couple out of four siblings that stayed married. All the

2015
01:35:10,333 --> 01:35:11,172
Speaker 22: rest of were divorced.

2016
01:35:11,213 --> 01:35:13,932
Speaker 3: And you know, has it been a romantic That doesn't

2017
01:35:13,973 --> 01:35:16,892
Speaker 3: sound like the most romantic starts of things, but has

2018
01:35:16,893 --> 01:35:18,212
Speaker 3: it been a romantic marriage?

2019
01:35:18,213 --> 01:35:18,492
Speaker 23: Colin?

2020
01:35:19,572 --> 01:35:21,692
Speaker 22: Well, we had all a romance prior. But you know

2021
01:35:21,772 --> 01:35:24,612
Speaker 22: it's been okay without her ups and downs like anyone

2022
01:35:24,612 --> 01:35:27,013
Speaker 22: with fought in battled. Yeah, one of the rules I

2023
01:35:27,053 --> 01:35:29,133
Speaker 22: had when I got married was don't ever tell me

2024
01:35:29,173 --> 01:35:32,492
Speaker 22: what to do. And I'll never tell you what to do,

2025
01:35:33,133 --> 01:35:35,893
Speaker 22: but you do what you do with respect to the

2026
01:35:35,933 --> 01:35:36,492
Speaker 22: other person.

2027
01:35:36,893 --> 01:35:39,253
Speaker 2: What amount of the dishes need done, colin? Or you

2028
01:35:39,293 --> 01:35:41,732
Speaker 2: know you gotta put out the trash apartment?

2029
01:35:41,933 --> 01:35:46,052
Speaker 4: Okay, Right, I do my fair share.

2030
01:35:47,372 --> 01:35:50,452
Speaker 22: I put the washing in the machine sometimes, and yeah,

2031
01:35:50,492 --> 01:35:53,412
Speaker 22: but she gets out in mos of lawns and you know,

2032
01:35:53,532 --> 01:35:55,572
Speaker 22: she does all sorts of manly stuff. She used to

2033
01:35:55,652 --> 01:35:59,572
Speaker 22: drive the trucks for me, and you know she was

2034
01:35:59,572 --> 01:36:02,013
Speaker 22: bringing up five kids in total, she had four from

2035
01:36:02,013 --> 01:36:05,012
Speaker 22: her first marriage. I was just turned twenty two when

2036
01:36:05,053 --> 01:36:05,652
Speaker 22: I got married.

2037
01:36:06,492 --> 01:36:08,333
Speaker 10: Wow, I'm seventy.

2038
01:36:07,973 --> 01:36:11,572
Speaker 22: Two now, So big commitment for a young fellow that

2039
01:36:12,213 --> 01:36:13,132
Speaker 22: I knew what I wanted.

2040
01:36:14,053 --> 01:36:15,612
Speaker 3: What did you do? What did you do for your

2041
01:36:16,013 --> 01:36:19,092
Speaker 3: golden anniversary? That's fifty right, golden? Did you do something

2042
01:36:19,253 --> 01:36:20,973
Speaker 3: a little bit more than the register's office that you

2043
01:36:21,013 --> 01:36:27,013
Speaker 3: started off with? No, No, I didn't do anything. I'm

2044
01:36:27,053 --> 01:36:28,932
Speaker 3: loving the practicality of the situation.

2045
01:36:29,173 --> 01:36:30,572
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, well I'm Colin.

2046
01:36:30,732 --> 01:36:34,293
Speaker 3: So that sort of puts pay to my idea that

2047
01:36:34,333 --> 01:36:36,053
Speaker 3: one of the great things about marriage is you have

2048
01:36:36,093 --> 01:36:38,013
Speaker 3: a lot of people around, and that's why it may

2049
01:36:38,053 --> 01:36:39,732
Speaker 3: last a bit longer because you've told it in front

2050
01:36:39,772 --> 01:36:42,253
Speaker 3: of so many people. Yeah, because they just nipped off

2051
01:36:42,253 --> 01:36:43,532
Speaker 3: to registry office.

2052
01:36:43,612 --> 01:36:48,412
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean outlasting the old siblings. For Colin,

2053
01:36:48,452 --> 01:36:50,253
Speaker 4: I think was a big thing. He wasn't a quitter,

2054
01:36:50,372 --> 01:36:51,133
Speaker 4: let's put it that way.

2055
01:36:51,333 --> 01:36:54,573
Speaker 3: Sharon. Your thoughts on marriage and such.

2056
01:36:55,293 --> 01:36:57,052
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's changed.

2057
01:36:57,093 --> 01:36:57,772
Speaker 13: He isn't.

2058
01:36:57,772 --> 01:37:00,412
Speaker 6: Fact that it definitely has, you know. I mean when we

2059
01:37:00,452 --> 01:37:03,012
Speaker 6: got married, my husband we've been married forty seven years

2060
01:37:03,013 --> 01:37:05,893
Speaker 6: this year, and we've known each other for well a

2061
01:37:05,933 --> 01:37:07,213
Speaker 6: lot longer than that, because we're now.

2062
01:37:07,173 --> 01:37:08,052
Speaker 13: At high school together.

2063
01:37:08,093 --> 01:37:12,732
Speaker 6: But you know, things like we're going for our house loan,

2064
01:37:13,412 --> 01:37:16,053
Speaker 6: the bank wouldn't take into consideration my wages in case

2065
01:37:16,093 --> 01:37:18,372
Speaker 6: they got pregnant. Can you imagine that these days?

2066
01:37:18,412 --> 01:37:19,372
Speaker 3: Wow? Wow?

2067
01:37:20,412 --> 01:37:25,093
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I was. I was actually insulted that it was unbelievable,

2068
01:37:25,492 --> 01:37:33,933
Speaker 6: but I called no. But you know, I don't like

2069
01:37:34,053 --> 01:37:36,293
Speaker 6: personally being called my husband. I don't like being called

2070
01:37:36,293 --> 01:37:39,532
Speaker 6: a partner from his wife because people, you know, being

2071
01:37:39,572 --> 01:37:42,412
Speaker 6: over backwards about not offending somebody by calling them their wife,

2072
01:37:42,412 --> 01:37:44,333
Speaker 6: but they actually send me by calling me a partner.

2073
01:37:45,053 --> 01:37:47,133
Speaker 2: So because it's more than that, right when you yeah,

2074
01:37:47,213 --> 01:37:49,372
Speaker 2: when you're married, it's far more than just being a partner.

2075
01:37:49,893 --> 01:37:51,892
Speaker 6: Well I think so, you know, I mean, everybody to

2076
01:37:51,933 --> 01:37:53,892
Speaker 6: their own if they wanted to be a partner, that's

2077
01:37:53,893 --> 01:37:56,412
Speaker 6: fine and not get burried, that's up to them. But

2078
01:37:56,492 --> 01:37:57,492
Speaker 6: for me, it wasn't.

2079
01:37:57,572 --> 01:37:58,012
Speaker 13: It wasn't.

2080
01:37:58,173 --> 01:38:02,372
Speaker 6: It was the emotional uh, and the ceremony and all

2081
01:38:02,412 --> 01:38:05,452
Speaker 6: the tradition that went with it that made and unlitia

2082
01:38:05,572 --> 01:38:09,972
Speaker 6: then through that actual ceremony. But have hard to get

2083
01:38:10,053 --> 01:38:13,492
Speaker 6: to understand what it's like. Well, it is for me anyway,

2084
01:38:13,772 --> 01:38:16,053
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, everybody can do what they

2085
01:38:16,093 --> 01:38:19,613
Speaker 6: want to do, but that's my stance on being there.

2086
01:38:19,933 --> 01:38:22,492
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, wife or husband is obviously stronger than

2087
01:38:22,492 --> 01:38:25,013
Speaker 3: a partner, because it could be the business partners, these

2088
01:38:25,093 --> 01:38:27,412
Speaker 3: dance partners, there's all kind of partners. But my wife

2089
01:38:27,452 --> 01:38:30,492
Speaker 3: or husband is a very specific thing. So if you

2090
01:38:30,692 --> 01:38:33,333
Speaker 3: if you've gone through, you know, gone through, or if

2091
01:38:33,372 --> 01:38:37,012
Speaker 3: you've enjoyed the lovely experience of getting married and you've

2092
01:38:37,013 --> 01:38:39,812
Speaker 3: earned the right to call someone a wife or a husband,

2093
01:38:39,893 --> 01:38:42,852
Speaker 3: which is surely like it's a promotion in a way.

2094
01:38:42,973 --> 01:38:46,612
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and title also, and you know, back

2095
01:38:46,652 --> 01:38:49,692
Speaker 6: then also I never reason thought about having not having

2096
01:38:49,692 --> 01:38:52,732
Speaker 6: my husband's name. It wasn't something you really did, whereas

2097
01:38:52,772 --> 01:38:55,492
Speaker 6: now it's changed and you know, like saying things change

2098
01:38:55,532 --> 01:38:59,972
Speaker 6: and evolved and things like that. But no, I just yeah,

2099
01:39:00,372 --> 01:39:02,372
Speaker 6: like to say, everybody to their own if they want

2100
01:39:02,372 --> 01:39:06,293
Speaker 6: to be partner's fine, but it wasn't something I wanted

2101
01:39:06,293 --> 01:39:06,572
Speaker 6: to do.

2102
01:39:07,053 --> 01:39:10,852
Speaker 2: Good on, Sharon, thank you bring up nicely, said yeah, fantastic, right,

2103
01:39:10,973 --> 01:39:13,253
Speaker 2: great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who called

2104
01:39:13,333 --> 01:39:17,452
Speaker 2: ntext on that one. By coming up next, New Zealander

2105
01:39:17,772 --> 01:39:18,973
Speaker 2: of the Week.

2106
01:39:18,853 --> 01:39:19,612
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2107
01:39:22,412 --> 01:39:26,572
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2109
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2110
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2111
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Speaker 17: is gone, it's air force and ruins, and most of

2112
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Speaker 17: the regime leaders are now dead, and they'll continue the

2113
01:39:43,412 --> 01:39:47,812
Speaker 17: operation until the job is done. National Minister Simon Watts

2114
01:39:47,853 --> 01:39:50,492
Speaker 17: has lost his role as Energy Minister, with the role

2115
01:39:50,572 --> 01:39:54,052
Speaker 17: going back to Simeon Brown. Watts picked up Brown's Minister

2116
01:39:54,133 --> 01:39:58,052
Speaker 17: for Auckland portfolio. The Government struck a deal to support

2117
01:39:58,133 --> 01:40:02,173
Speaker 17: more diesel storage at Northland's Marsden Point. It will give

2118
01:40:02,253 --> 01:40:06,053
Speaker 17: twenty one point six million dollars to Chanel Infrastructure so

2119
01:40:06,093 --> 01:40:09,053
Speaker 17: it can store ninety million extra leader of diesel and

2120
01:40:09,093 --> 01:40:13,532
Speaker 17: repurposed storage links it. Two unions shot down the government

2121
01:40:13,612 --> 01:40:17,013
Speaker 17: support worker mileage boost, calling it a joke. Home and

2122
01:40:17,053 --> 01:40:20,972
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01:40:21,093 --> 01:40:25,892
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2124
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2125
01:40:29,452 --> 01:40:32,892
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2128
01:40:40,893 --> 01:40:44,933
Speaker 17: at ends at Herald Premium. Now back to matt and Tyler, the.

2129
01:40:45,133 --> 01:40:50,253
Speaker 1: Mattie than Tyler Adams Afternoons New Zealander of the Week.

2130
01:40:50,412 --> 01:40:53,692
Speaker 23: Ladies and gentlemen. The New Zealander of the Week is

2131
01:40:53,692 --> 01:40:56,293
Speaker 23: a day early this week, but don't worry, it'll be

2132
01:40:56,452 --> 01:40:59,053
Speaker 23: just as weak as if it was on a Friday.

2133
01:40:59,253 --> 01:41:02,732
Speaker 23: That's right, it's time to celebrate some kiwis with the

2134
01:41:02,812 --> 01:41:07,732
Speaker 23: Matthi and Tyler Adams Afternoons New Zealander of the Week,

2135
01:41:08,372 --> 01:41:12,452
Speaker 23: and as always three shall be honored.

2136
01:41:13,213 --> 01:41:15,053
Speaker 3: But who the will they be?

2137
01:41:15,612 --> 01:41:19,213
Speaker 4: Let's find out with our first New Zealander of the Winter.

2138
01:41:20,812 --> 01:41:23,892
Speaker 3: Well, some would say this next honorees love of people

2139
01:41:23,893 --> 01:41:27,773
Speaker 3: boozing on Easter and Christmas urinates all over wholesome traditions,

2140
01:41:27,893 --> 01:41:31,133
Speaker 3: whilst also kicking precious shared kiwi together family time in

2141
01:41:31,173 --> 01:41:32,213
Speaker 3: the nuts look.

2142
01:41:32,333 --> 01:41:34,852
Speaker 23: Others may describe the man as a Timu fred dag.

2143
01:41:35,652 --> 01:41:38,133
Speaker 23: But he did get a bunch of National Party and

2144
01:41:38,253 --> 01:41:39,493
Speaker 23: Labor Party members.

2145
01:41:39,173 --> 01:41:42,412
Speaker 3: To agree on something for once, So Karen McNulty. You

2146
01:41:42,612 --> 01:41:53,372
Speaker 3: are a new Zealander of the week. Famously, Kiwis could

2147
01:41:53,372 --> 01:41:56,572
Speaker 3: be scared to fly because they worry they may fall. Well,

2148
01:41:56,612 --> 01:41:58,092
Speaker 3: if only we could all hit.

2149
01:41:57,973 --> 01:42:01,213
Speaker 23: The ground as successfully as this big bird did in

2150
01:42:01,253 --> 01:42:02,492
Speaker 23: twenty fourteen.

2151
01:42:02,692 --> 01:42:04,132
Speaker 3: Sitting on the couch in its.

2152
01:42:04,013 --> 01:42:08,532
Speaker 23: Flat, he had a dream shoes made from wool. A

2153
01:42:08,572 --> 01:42:11,932
Speaker 23: few years later that wooly idea was worth seven billion dollars.

2154
01:42:12,013 --> 01:42:14,532
Speaker 23: It's not worth that much anymore, but even at its

2155
01:42:14,612 --> 01:42:18,693
Speaker 23: rock bottom it's worth sixty eight million, surely making.

2156
01:42:18,452 --> 01:42:21,612
Speaker 3: All birds one of the most successful failures in our

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01:42:21,692 --> 01:42:22,732
Speaker 3: country's history.

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01:42:22,973 --> 01:42:25,932
Speaker 23: So good on your tim Brown, your thunkburg and went hard,

2159
01:42:26,372 --> 01:42:29,612
Speaker 23: and I hope you scrawled away many millions for yourself

2160
01:42:29,652 --> 01:42:30,372
Speaker 23: on the way up.

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01:42:30,772 --> 01:42:32,133
Speaker 3: You deserve it, and you.

2162
01:42:32,253 --> 01:42:35,092
Speaker 28: Are a new Zealander of the Week.

2163
01:42:37,893 --> 01:42:39,732
Speaker 3: No one gave them a chance.

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01:42:40,173 --> 01:42:42,492
Speaker 23: You're never going to beat a team from outside your

2165
01:42:42,572 --> 01:42:44,333
Speaker 23: continental zone, they said.

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01:42:45,053 --> 01:42:47,692
Speaker 3: Yurin also ran at the very best.

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01:42:47,812 --> 01:42:50,333
Speaker 4: You're in the drawer to get a drawer.

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Speaker 23: Ben Boom a four one dismantling of Chile, not fig

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01:42:54,333 --> 01:42:57,613
Speaker 23: not Tahite, Chile, South.

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01:42:57,452 --> 01:43:00,133
Speaker 3: American Football Royalty.

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01:43:00,173 --> 01:43:03,293
Speaker 23: That's the first win over a South American side ever.

2172
01:43:03,652 --> 01:43:04,493
Speaker 4: Not a freak.

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01:43:04,253 --> 01:43:06,452
Speaker 23: Accident followed by a shut up shop eleven at the

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01:43:06,452 --> 01:43:09,333
Speaker 23: back to the end strat They were composed to ruthless

2175
01:43:09,652 --> 01:43:11,293
Speaker 23: four different goal scorers, don't you know?

2176
01:43:11,812 --> 01:43:15,133
Speaker 3: And before you say they were down to ten men?

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01:43:15,692 --> 01:43:16,813
Speaker 3: Shut up?

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01:43:17,133 --> 01:43:20,092
Speaker 4: What a final home hit out before the World Cup.

2179
01:43:20,253 --> 01:43:24,133
Speaker 3: Now instead of hopefully we compete, it's start to feel

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01:43:24,173 --> 01:43:27,452
Speaker 3: a lot like maybe it's possible we.

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01:43:27,532 --> 01:43:32,412
Speaker 28: Could surprise a few people. The New Zealand football team

2182
01:43:32,532 --> 01:43:36,173
Speaker 28: also known as the All Whites for some reason, onwards

2183
01:43:36,253 --> 01:43:40,852
Speaker 28: and upwards to the Feetball World Cup, and first up

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01:43:40,853 --> 01:43:46,692
Speaker 28: at the World Cup we face yep Iran in the

2185
01:43:46,812 --> 01:43:48,652
Speaker 28: United States of America.

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01:43:48,933 --> 01:43:52,532
Speaker 23: That is happening great, the All.

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01:43:52,372 --> 01:43:57,813
Speaker 28: Whites versus Iran in the neutral territory of Sofi.

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01:43:57,492 --> 01:44:00,732
Speaker 23: Stadium, Los Angeles, California, sixteenth of June.

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01:44:01,572 --> 01:44:02,812
Speaker 4: Keva atasa kiwi.

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01:44:03,133 --> 01:44:04,053
Speaker 16: You are a.

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01:44:04,253 --> 01:44:06,293
Speaker 4: New Zealand, are of the way?

2192
01:44:06,893 --> 01:44:09,732
Speaker 3: Make it always? Alie Bars said.

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01:44:22,853 --> 01:44:23,413
Speaker 20: See.

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01:44:36,093 --> 01:44:48,892
Speaker 4: The said.

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01:44:49,293 --> 01:44:54,812
Speaker 3: Ah should I go.

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01:44:59,213 --> 01:44:59,452
Speaker 21: Right?

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01:45:03,253 --> 01:45:05,972
Speaker 3: They all lie exath American opposition?

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01:45:06,412 --> 01:45:07,732
Speaker 19: What if I study that history?

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01:45:15,893 --> 01:45:20,452
Speaker 2: Matt Heathen Tyler radoms amazing, super well deserved as always

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01:45:20,532 --> 01:45:23,612
Speaker 2: it is nineteen two for coming up after we play

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Speaker 2: some messages, we're gonna catch up with Stephen Donald aka Beaver.

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01:45:27,652 --> 01:45:30,972
Speaker 2: There's a brilliant match of rugby coming this Anzac Dace

2203
01:45:31,013 --> 01:45:33,213
Speaker 2: will tell you all about it. Next you listen to

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01:45:33,293 --> 01:45:33,932
Speaker 2: News Talks.

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01:45:33,692 --> 01:45:37,612
Speaker 1: At b your home of Afternoon Talk Matt Heath and

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01:45:37,893 --> 01:45:42,133
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams Afternoons with Scoda. Can you crack the Scoda code?

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01:45:42,293 --> 01:45:44,293
Speaker 4: News Talk said be sixteen to four.

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01:45:44,372 --> 01:45:47,453
Speaker 2: So kiwis are in for a serious dose of rugby nostoldier.

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Speaker 2: This Anzac Day is former all Blacks and Wallabyes prepared

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01:45:49,973 --> 01:45:53,093
Speaker 2: to reignite one of the great game's fiercest rivalries in

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01:45:53,173 --> 01:45:55,932
Speaker 2: Taranaki the Anzac Day Classic on April the twenty fifth

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01:45:55,973 --> 01:45:58,932
Speaker 2: at Stadium Tartanuki. We'll see legends of the game lace

2213
01:45:59,053 --> 01:46:01,933
Speaker 2: up the boots once again. Blending competition makeship and the

2214
01:46:02,013 --> 01:46:06,852
Speaker 2: spirit of Anzac into one special occasion. Stephen Donald aka Beaver,

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01:46:07,013 --> 01:46:09,372
Speaker 2: he has had a few Anzac Days Classic matches to

2216
01:46:09,532 --> 01:46:11,852
Speaker 2: his name and he's ready for another one and great

2217
01:46:11,893 --> 01:46:14,133
Speaker 2: to have him on the show right now, Steven, how

2218
01:46:14,173 --> 01:46:14,652
Speaker 2: are you mate?

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01:46:15,572 --> 01:46:15,772
Speaker 16: Yeah?

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01:46:15,812 --> 01:46:17,892
Speaker 4: Good, mal I don't know if I'm ready for another one,

2221
01:46:18,492 --> 01:46:20,412
Speaker 4: but yeah, I will be there.

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01:46:21,452 --> 01:46:23,092
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to ask how much does rugby

2223
01:46:23,173 --> 01:46:26,813
Speaker 3: hurt when you're when you're older and not training professionally

2224
01:46:26,933 --> 01:46:27,652
Speaker 3: for the game.

2225
01:46:29,093 --> 01:46:33,612
Speaker 7: He's considerably considering. Often the aftermatch is still saying that

2226
01:46:33,812 --> 01:46:36,972
Speaker 7: you were when you're nineteen or twenty, and that's that's

2227
01:46:37,013 --> 01:46:39,093
Speaker 7: the part that catches up on you for another few

2228
01:46:39,133 --> 01:46:39,652
Speaker 7: days after.

2229
01:46:40,652 --> 01:46:43,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So looking at the squads you're going to

2230
01:46:43,372 --> 01:46:45,892
Speaker 2: be playing with and who you're going to be playing against.

2231
01:46:46,173 --> 01:46:48,053
Speaker 4: Who do you reckon is ready to fly and who's

2232
01:46:48,093 --> 01:46:48,852
Speaker 4: looking a bit rusty?

2233
01:46:51,253 --> 01:46:53,692
Speaker 7: Well you look, you look to the younger ones to

2234
01:46:53,772 --> 01:46:58,093
Speaker 7: be fair. So toy Abor I saw to the great

2235
01:46:58,532 --> 01:47:03,612
Speaker 7: midfielder from from Auckland. He's going again, I think Charlie

2236
01:47:03,652 --> 01:47:08,812
Speaker 7: Nati local legiond Downtown acyways he's lacing up, he don't

2237
01:47:08,812 --> 01:47:12,932
Speaker 7: he just finish, So that's important. P any of him.

2238
01:47:13,013 --> 01:47:14,572
Speaker 4: So that's good.

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01:47:14,933 --> 01:47:17,452
Speaker 7: And look at the more of them means the less

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01:47:17,532 --> 01:47:20,612
Speaker 7: minutes us us at the older hed have to have

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01:47:20,732 --> 01:47:21,133
Speaker 7: to get out.

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01:47:21,173 --> 01:47:24,572
Speaker 3: Therefore, now, obviously this is a friendly of sorts, but

2243
01:47:24,732 --> 01:47:28,772
Speaker 3: how much does the New Zealand the Australia rivalry fire up.

2244
01:47:29,652 --> 01:47:32,933
Speaker 3: I mean, it's Anzac day, It's it's it's still the Australians.

2245
01:47:34,133 --> 01:47:37,612
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, it'll be it'll be played. It'll be played

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01:47:37,612 --> 01:47:40,133
Speaker 7: in great spirit, but it'll be played full on. It's

2247
01:47:40,213 --> 01:47:42,293
Speaker 7: full on, I guess as the people of our age

2248
01:47:42,333 --> 01:47:46,692
Speaker 7: can play. So that's that'll be the mentality. Will be

2249
01:47:46,772 --> 01:47:49,372
Speaker 7: trying to go as hard as you can. But you know,

2250
01:47:49,452 --> 01:47:51,812
Speaker 7: as long as the body doesn't break down between catching

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01:47:51,853 --> 01:47:54,692
Speaker 7: the ball and actually meeting the defense, that'll be that'll

2252
01:47:54,692 --> 01:47:55,133
Speaker 7: be the key.

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01:47:55,412 --> 01:47:58,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, So part of the classics is staying connected post

2254
01:47:58,572 --> 01:48:00,933
Speaker 2: playing days. How important is that for you, mate? Is

2255
01:48:00,973 --> 01:48:02,772
Speaker 2: it good to see some of the boys you haven't

2256
01:48:02,772 --> 01:48:04,612
Speaker 2: seen for a wee while or how much does that

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01:48:04,652 --> 01:48:05,133
Speaker 2: play into it?

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01:48:06,293 --> 01:48:06,452
Speaker 13: Oh?

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01:48:06,492 --> 01:48:09,213
Speaker 7: If I'm brutally honest, that's the whole reason I do it.

2260
01:48:09,213 --> 01:48:12,812
Speaker 7: It's the eighty minutes. Is the torture to get through

2261
01:48:13,572 --> 01:48:17,692
Speaker 7: to catch up with and spend time with guys that

2262
01:48:18,213 --> 01:48:20,692
Speaker 7: you really you know, you spend your whole life with

2263
01:48:20,772 --> 01:48:22,492
Speaker 7: people for about ten or fifteen years and then you

2264
01:48:22,572 --> 01:48:27,652
Speaker 7: don't see them, and you know it's hugely important. It's

2265
01:48:27,652 --> 01:48:31,452
Speaker 7: a buzzword, but connecting and connection back these days because

2266
01:48:32,133 --> 01:48:35,532
Speaker 7: you know, yeah, it's not a it's not a profession

2267
01:48:35,612 --> 01:48:38,213
Speaker 7: that you should be felt, No one should feel sorry

2268
01:48:38,253 --> 01:48:40,612
Speaker 7: for you to having that profession because it's dream job. However,

2269
01:48:41,372 --> 01:48:44,293
Speaker 7: when it leaves you, you know, I guess we're only human,

2270
01:48:44,492 --> 01:48:47,892
Speaker 7: and it does leave a massive void. So catching back

2271
01:48:47,973 --> 01:48:50,532
Speaker 7: up with everyone is just great in general, but then

2272
01:48:50,572 --> 01:48:54,692
Speaker 7: obviously making sure that everyone's doing all good because once

2273
01:48:54,812 --> 01:48:58,532
Speaker 7: the professional sport and the footy finishes, it's it can

2274
01:48:58,612 --> 01:49:01,692
Speaker 7: be a lonely world and everyone, I yes, transitions into

2275
01:49:01,732 --> 01:49:04,732
Speaker 7: it differently because as a safe if you're lucky enough

2276
01:49:04,772 --> 01:49:07,812
Speaker 7: to have a ten fifteen year career, then swinging back

2277
01:49:07,973 --> 01:49:11,652
Speaker 7: to the real world because getting told what to do

2278
01:49:11,812 --> 01:49:15,093
Speaker 7: for adulthoods for ten or fifteen years to be and

2279
01:49:15,173 --> 01:49:17,133
Speaker 7: where to be and what to wear and what time

2280
01:49:17,213 --> 01:49:19,812
Speaker 7: to be somewhere isn't the real world, and it does

2281
01:49:19,893 --> 01:49:21,732
Speaker 7: take a lot of adjusting, and some boys struggle, some

2282
01:49:21,812 --> 01:49:24,772
Speaker 7: boys land on their feet. But that's that's the part

2283
01:49:24,853 --> 01:49:27,532
Speaker 7: that I guess I enjoy about it and the reason

2284
01:49:27,532 --> 01:49:28,772
Speaker 7: why I always want to be a part of it.

2285
01:49:29,213 --> 01:49:31,812
Speaker 3: I imagine, having been an all Black, you get punished

2286
01:49:31,812 --> 01:49:34,372
Speaker 3: a lot in bars and wherever you go by people

2287
01:49:34,452 --> 01:49:38,612
Speaker 3: with their expert rugby opinions. So I mean, how different

2288
01:49:38,692 --> 01:49:41,173
Speaker 3: is it talking, you know, code with people that have

2289
01:49:41,253 --> 01:49:43,012
Speaker 3: actually played the game at the highest level.

2290
01:49:45,013 --> 01:49:46,452
Speaker 7: Well, funny enough, you don't actually talk it.

2291
01:49:46,772 --> 01:49:49,572
Speaker 3: Right when you're back together.

2292
01:49:49,652 --> 01:49:53,053
Speaker 7: It's more about what's happening in life and what are

2293
01:49:53,133 --> 01:49:55,933
Speaker 7: you doing and how you land on land into that

2294
01:49:56,333 --> 01:49:59,973
Speaker 7: and things like that. So no, I guess you know,

2295
01:50:00,293 --> 01:50:01,973
Speaker 7: I belive you guys going to a radio party and

2296
01:50:02,093 --> 01:50:03,892
Speaker 7: asking people how the radio game, you know.

2297
01:50:04,612 --> 01:50:07,093
Speaker 3: You'd be amazing amount of punishing shop talk that radio

2298
01:50:07,133 --> 01:50:07,732
Speaker 3: people get into.

2299
01:50:10,173 --> 01:50:11,013
Speaker 4: Sure you avoid that.

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01:50:11,652 --> 01:50:15,013
Speaker 2: You try too hard today, mates? All right, so what

2301
01:50:15,173 --> 01:50:17,412
Speaker 2: can fans expect from this game? It's on the twenty

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01:50:17,452 --> 01:50:19,772
Speaker 2: fifth of April, and do you reckon it's going to

2303
01:50:19,772 --> 01:50:21,452
Speaker 2: be a bit more relaxed or full noise.

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01:50:22,732 --> 01:50:25,253
Speaker 7: It'll be full noise. But it's a great occasion. I'm

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01:50:25,293 --> 01:50:28,253
Speaker 7: glad we've been doing it in somewhere like like New

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01:50:28,293 --> 01:50:31,173
Speaker 7: Plymouth and the Nake because again that's the that's the

2307
01:50:31,173 --> 01:50:33,692
Speaker 7: special thing about the Classics. They've been going for years

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01:50:33,732 --> 01:50:36,892
Speaker 7: and they used to do things like playing club club

2309
01:50:36,973 --> 01:50:39,053
Speaker 7: games and go the season of the odd one. But

2310
01:50:39,452 --> 01:50:42,532
Speaker 7: the last few years we've played in Fong and Nui

2311
01:50:43,612 --> 01:50:46,452
Speaker 7: East Coast and up in the far and Orphan Soong today,

2312
01:50:46,612 --> 01:50:48,772
Speaker 7: So doing the New Plymouth it's going to be special

2313
01:50:49,772 --> 01:50:52,692
Speaker 7: and you know, I think we're here from about Thursday onwards,

2314
01:50:52,692 --> 01:50:54,412
Speaker 7: so we'll be getting out of mongst the community and

2315
01:50:54,933 --> 01:50:57,572
Speaker 7: then obviously the game two thirty five kickoffs, which you

2316
01:50:57,652 --> 01:51:00,572
Speaker 7: know all rugby should be kicked on the bring all

2317
01:51:00,612 --> 01:51:04,173
Speaker 7: the kids and you just enjoy a great day and

2318
01:51:04,532 --> 01:51:08,173
Speaker 7: in two two aging teams going at it and trying

2319
01:51:08,173 --> 01:51:09,133
Speaker 7: to on a spectacle.

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01:51:09,732 --> 01:51:11,973
Speaker 4: Yeah go well mate, Thoughts and prayers and hopefully the

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01:51:11,973 --> 01:51:14,093
Speaker 4: body holds up. But it's going to be a great match,

2322
01:51:14,253 --> 01:51:15,372
Speaker 4: so enjoy.

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01:51:16,452 --> 01:51:18,652
Speaker 7: Thanks each guys and yeah we good see as many

2324
01:51:18,812 --> 01:51:21,933
Speaker 7: people from the neck get along and seeing seeing some

2325
01:51:22,013 --> 01:51:22,652
Speaker 7: old boys go.

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01:51:22,973 --> 01:51:24,812
Speaker 4: To right, it's going to be a fantastic match.

2327
01:51:24,893 --> 01:51:27,652
Speaker 2: That is Stephen Donald aka Beaver And if you want

2328
01:51:27,692 --> 01:51:29,972
Speaker 2: to get tickets, they are are on sale right now

2329
01:51:30,093 --> 01:51:32,893
Speaker 2: tick tech dot co dot nz. But that's going to

2330
01:51:32,893 --> 01:51:34,612
Speaker 2: be a hell of a match and a lot of

2331
01:51:34,652 --> 01:51:37,133
Speaker 2: fun as well, so make sure you get tickets. You're

2332
01:51:37,133 --> 01:51:39,133
Speaker 2: listening to News Talks d B back for you shortly.

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01:51:39,253 --> 01:51:41,253
Speaker 4: It is Tender four the.

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01:51:41,412 --> 01:51:45,333
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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01:51:45,372 --> 01:51:49,333
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used Talk zed.

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01:51:49,253 --> 01:51:53,572
Speaker 4: B News Talk Z b it is seven to four.

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01:51:53,973 --> 01:51:56,892
Speaker 3: Thank you so much everyone for listen that brings us

2338
01:51:56,973 --> 01:51:58,452
Speaker 3: into the show. Thanks so much for all your calls

2339
01:51:58,492 --> 01:52:00,133
Speaker 3: and text even the lady who rang up to tell

2340
01:52:00,213 --> 01:52:02,053
Speaker 3: us off us doing something that we hadn't done. Love

2341
01:52:02,093 --> 01:52:02,933
Speaker 3: all the communications.

2342
01:52:03,093 --> 01:52:06,412
Speaker 2: Absolutely we do, and because we get so many great here,

2343
01:52:06,452 --> 01:52:09,133
Speaker 2: we's ringing in. Each week we pick a Coller of

2344
01:52:09,173 --> 01:52:11,372
Speaker 2: the week. And a few days ago we were discussing

2345
01:52:11,452 --> 01:52:16,053
Speaker 2: more people taking a holiday over doing renovations, lifelong experiences

2346
01:52:16,133 --> 01:52:19,213
Speaker 2: and memories over a quick dopamine hit of doing something

2347
01:52:19,333 --> 01:52:21,973
Speaker 2: like the bathroom when Margaret gave us a buzz and

2348
01:52:22,093 --> 01:52:25,812
Speaker 2: she was absolutely fizzing over her choice of travel versus reno.

2349
01:52:26,213 --> 01:52:29,093
Speaker 16: My sixtieth last year, my husband said he could take

2350
01:52:29,173 --> 01:52:30,453
Speaker 16: me to Rome.

2351
01:52:30,732 --> 01:52:31,812
Speaker 13: Or have a new kitchen.

2352
01:52:32,093 --> 01:52:33,412
Speaker 6: Guess what I chose Rome.

2353
01:52:34,093 --> 01:52:36,612
Speaker 4: I got the new kitchen. You went for the marble

2354
01:52:36,652 --> 01:52:38,572
Speaker 4: at home rather than the marble of the Colosseum.

2355
01:52:38,893 --> 01:52:39,972
Speaker 6: And how do you feel a brand?

2356
01:52:40,213 --> 01:52:40,973
Speaker 3: How do you feel about it?

2357
01:52:41,093 --> 01:52:45,572
Speaker 11: One hundred brands that because it wasn't just a kitchen,

2358
01:52:45,812 --> 01:52:51,093
Speaker 11: it was a laundry, a new living a whole windows out, windows.

2359
01:52:50,772 --> 01:52:51,652
Speaker 26: And fire gone.

2360
01:52:51,732 --> 01:52:52,333
Speaker 21: You know what I mean?

2361
01:52:53,253 --> 01:52:55,692
Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, and I say.

2362
01:52:55,572 --> 01:52:57,732
Speaker 13: To my husband, I feel like I've won the lotto.

2363
01:52:58,652 --> 01:53:01,252
Speaker 24: It's such a pleasure, Like I've got an electric rubbishin

2364
01:53:01,372 --> 01:53:03,133
Speaker 24: I've got you know, and.

2365
01:53:03,173 --> 01:53:04,133
Speaker 13: I'm cooking up a storm.

2366
01:53:04,572 --> 01:53:05,213
Speaker 4: She was so good.

2367
01:53:05,333 --> 01:53:07,293
Speaker 3: That's the meaning of life, an electric rubbishman.

2368
01:53:07,412 --> 01:53:08,732
Speaker 4: Absolutely, how good was that?

2369
01:53:09,372 --> 01:53:12,132
Speaker 2: Now this week we're also going to introduce the text

2370
01:53:12,333 --> 01:53:14,133
Speaker 2: of the week because we get a whole bunch of

2371
01:53:14,253 --> 01:53:17,213
Speaker 2: fantastic texts as well. And we got a text during

2372
01:53:17,253 --> 01:53:19,452
Speaker 2: that same discussion actually from a guy called stew and

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Speaker 2: here is the text of the week this week. It

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Speaker 2: really rang a note for a lot of our listeners

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Speaker 2: and us so seeas Hi, Matt and Tyler listening this

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Speaker 2: afternoon really struck a chord and I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: share something from my own experience. You have to live

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Speaker 2: every day as it comes. I lost my first wife

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Speaker 2: at forty two, and while that's not something no one

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Speaker 2: can ever truly prepare for, the one piece of comfort

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Speaker 2: I've always held onto for both myself and my daughter

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Speaker 2: is that we truly lived. We didn't sit back waiting

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Speaker 2: for some day. We traveled, we explored, We made the

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Speaker 2: most of what we had, even when money was tight.

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Speaker 2: We bought a house, rented it out, and chose experiences

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Speaker 2: over comfort. That perspective has stayed with me. Unfortunate to

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Speaker 2: have found love again. And my partner works as a

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Speaker 2: cancer research nurse. She sees far too often people who

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Speaker 2: have waited their whole lives to live, only to be

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Speaker 2: stopped by illness before they get that chance. So now

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Speaker 2: we make a content choice to live fully every day,

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Speaker 2: every weekend.

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Speaker 4: We do not wait. We appreciate the simple things.

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Speaker 3: So that is a powerful text. Heck, oh good, speaking

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Speaker 3: of powerful, the great and powerful. Heather Duplessy Ellen is

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Speaker 3: up next and she's talking to Cock Island's Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: Mark Brown on signing a defense and security pack with

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Speaker 3: New Zealand mending our break broken relationship. And she's also

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Speaker 3: got a former head of communications for the Republican Party

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Speaker 3: on how Trump's speech will have gone down with US

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Speaker 3: voter base. But right now, my good friend Tyler, why

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Speaker 3: am I playing the song from Rim?

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Speaker 4: Well played, mate? What a tune?

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Speaker 2: Man on the Moon because we had a great discussion

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Speaker 2: about Artemis two. It is part of a phase project

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Speaker 2: to get men and woman on the moon and then

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Speaker 2: hopefully even Mars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, from the nineteen ninety two album Automatic for the People,

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Speaker 3: which was their eighth album. Would you believe it?

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Speaker 4: Far round anyway?

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Speaker 3: Have yourself a great East to everyone. We'll be live

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Speaker 3: midday Tuesday. Until then, give them a taste of Kiwi.

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Speaker 4: Whow won't chuck.

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Speaker 19: Meboy?

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Speaker 3: Egypt was timeled by the Hormosk.

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Speaker 2: Mister Charles Barwin, Annie, did you.

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Speaker 3: Hear about this one?

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Speaker 21: Tell me?

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Speaker 19: How are you?

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Speaker 17: Lock in the park?

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Speaker 21: Annie? Are you God? Then out?

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Speaker 4: Are you having fun?

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