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Speaker 2: It takes it off the back Ardie Satha pops it.
Speaker 3: Up on the right.
Speaker 4: Well, Jordan rightly quorder it's another for will and that
Speaker 4: might be enough. It might be enough for the All
Speaker 4: Blacks to win at Allie Park. Yes, certainly was All
Speaker 4: Blacks thirty three South Africa sixteen or Black's assistant coach
Speaker 4: Jason Ryan is with us on Weekend Sport. Jace, where
Speaker 4: does that sit among your most satisfying days with the
Speaker 4: All Blacks?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, that's up there.
Speaker 2: Look, any any one you love it, but any test
Speaker 2: one in South Africa, especially Alista Park you love it
Speaker 2: even more. And we were under a massive amount of
Speaker 2: pressure at set piece and how we made the adjustments
Speaker 2: we needed to and came back with a ship on
Speaker 2: a qre and a whole lot of effort and belief
Speaker 2: in our game I think was pretty special.
Speaker 4: Can you give us an insight into the adjustments that
Speaker 4: you made that made the difference.
Speaker 2: Well, I think at scrum time, you know there was
Speaker 2: one there that we missed a hit a little bit.
Speaker 2: They're getting the hit on us and potentially went a
Speaker 2: little bit early on us. We also, you know, we
Speaker 2: got rewarded just after halftime for them stepping left. You know,
Speaker 2: the whole thing around world rugby is you got a
Speaker 2: scrum square. So we got one there that we probably deserved.
Speaker 2: And probably in hindsight, Ethan grew hurt his neck, the
Speaker 2: group hurt his knee pretty bad early on in the
Speaker 2: start of the Test match, and we probably should have
Speaker 2: looked to hook him a little bit earlier because that
Speaker 2: he was sort of firing on one leg. So you
Speaker 2: sort of put those couple of things together, probably as
Speaker 2: the reflection of the justice we made and what we
Speaker 2: talked about at halftime around showing really good pictures.
Speaker 4: And then in the second half early South Africa still
Speaker 4: putting you under huge pressure, you hold your hold and
Speaker 4: then you get a scrum penalty of your own under
Speaker 4: your own horns. How big a moment was that, you know.
Speaker 2: That's what it was a big moment, and that was
Speaker 2: reward to the adjustments we made. And as I say,
Speaker 2: it was for them stepping left, which is you know
Speaker 2: that that that did swing the momentum. And then then
Speaker 2: we got into a mall and we got a more penalty,
Speaker 2: and then it was like, okay, we've got to put
Speaker 2: a momentum here, and and we we sort of kept
Speaker 2: the we keep the pressure on them a little bit,
Speaker 2: and you know, got some reward for it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, a lot, massive, massive if from the.
Speaker 2: Boys coming on and uh and and I think we
Speaker 2: were showed that we're pretty flat at the moment too,
Speaker 2: So I think that's pretty positive.
Speaker 4: Is effective scrummaging more about technique or physical strength?
Speaker 2: Oh that's a great question. Look what the spring Boks like.
Speaker 2: They are a brick pack, and we may get it right.
Speaker 3: They are very very.
Speaker 2: Hard to stop with their mass and how big they are. Right, technically,
Speaker 2: we could have been a little bit better tonight, But
Speaker 2: as I said, I'm proud that the boys made the adjustments.
Speaker 2: Scrums and a test match as similar to twelve rounds
Speaker 2: of boxing. We're not gonna win every round, and tonight
Speaker 2: we didn't win every round, but we probably won a
Speaker 2: couple of rounds that that mattered, I guess, and we
Speaker 2: got rewarded for it. And say, the adjustice we made
Speaker 2: it our time, So I'm pretty proud of the boys there.
Speaker 3: We've still got work to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I guess to use a boxing analogy. You
Speaker 4: got the points victory well and truly, Jase, how much
Speaker 4: of a tactic is inducing fatigue in your opposition?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you hold the ball and balld phases, you know,
Speaker 2: and you and we trust our skill set, like we
Speaker 2: threw a whole lot of offloads that probably weren't even
Speaker 2: on that did stick because the boys have been optimistic
Speaker 2: about how they want play, which is what rends us
Speaker 2: driven right from the start. And when you do that,
Speaker 2: the fatigue does kicking. And we I believe we found
Speaker 2: another couple of years in that last twenty, you know,
Speaker 2: and put the pressure on them, and we should be
Speaker 2: pretty satisfied with that part of the game, and how
Speaker 2: the leaders have been doing a lot of good work
Speaker 2: with Gilbert and Ochre and just adapting to the pressure
Speaker 2: and just enjoying that and understanding that it's so tough
Speaker 2: over here, you know, one v two in the world
Speaker 2: and at Alice Park, like you just got to enjoy
Speaker 2: this and we will.
Speaker 3: But there's work to do tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Fabian Holland hercule in eighty minutes charge down Try. I
Speaker 4: had to stay on because of course, Josh Lord departed
Speaker 4: earlier than you would have hoped. Not bad for a
Speaker 4: bloke who hasn't played much rugby recently.
Speaker 2: Fabian Holland, Yeah, he's done a lot of work and
Speaker 2: conditioning and you know it was a big arm. He
Speaker 2: went to the world tonight. He had to dig a
Speaker 2: pretty big hole and keep digging it. So pretty pretty
Speaker 2: satisfied Harry got through his work.
Speaker 3: So we'll have to look.
Speaker 2: After him this week. I mean, we're not you know,
Speaker 2: we don't need to get any futterer or stronger on
Speaker 2: this till We've got to keep the boys fresh now
Speaker 2: and I think that'll be a big part of the
Speaker 2: next couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: The last time you played South Africa, Jace, you joined
Speaker 4: me the day after you took my call. You answered
Speaker 4: some pretty tough questions. Thirteen of the twenty three who
Speaker 4: played that night played again today. Was that forty three
Speaker 4: ten talked about at all or do you think it
Speaker 4: privately drove any individuals?
Speaker 3: It wasn't.
Speaker 2: It definitely wasn't talked about, but I guess you know,
Speaker 2: some of those things are always in there.
Speaker 3: And then there's a couple of set piece moments and
Speaker 3: we sit on.
Speaker 2: The start of this call, Jay Slide, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, here we go again type thing.
Speaker 3: But we, as I said, we made the adjustments.
Speaker 2: We started a little bit more resilience under pressure, a
Speaker 2: little bit more composed and already made some really good
Speaker 2: decisions at key times.
Speaker 4: Does that end of the game, Yeah, does Alice Park
Speaker 4: ever get old? Looks amazing.
Speaker 5: Oh she's standing out here in the middle now and yeah,
Speaker 5: you've just got to enjoy and I'm going to so
Speaker 5: but we're got work to do with by no means satisfied,
Speaker 5: and but we will enjoy this.
Speaker 4: We just well, you deserve to a lot of very
Speaker 4: happy key weis early this morning watching that Jas, Thanks
Speaker 4: for taking the call, mate, all the best as you
Speaker 4: move forward, no worries.
Speaker 2: Let just say I really appreciate the support that we've
Speaker 2: had from home this week as this test match is built,
Speaker 2: and the support that we've had with the All Black
Speaker 2: supporters and the Zemers that are in the crowd today.
Speaker 3: Is not often you hear them that the all Black
Speaker 3: chant and his Yon chant in Ellis Park so pretty special.
Speaker 4: So thanks good man, good man, Jase, enjoy your evening.
Speaker 4: Jason Ryan there out of Johannesburg with the All Blacks
Speaker 4: have beaten South Africa thirty three points to sixteen.
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