1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: It's Bryan Bridge. Right. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: Teenagers, if you've got one, you might know about this story. 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: They're in search of employment at the moment, and it's 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: obviously a hard job trying to land a job with 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: the current employment conditions. Some have been searching. In fact, 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: there was an example of one over the weekend in 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: the papers. For as long as two years, a lack 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: of experience has been a main reason for rejection. But 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: how do you get that if you are never given 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: a shot in the first place, How on earth do 11 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: you get experience without being given a job. Kate Ross 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: is the founder of Swivel Careers, which helps seventeen to 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: twenty five year olds fine work, and she's with me 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: this afternoon. 15 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 3: Hi Kate, Hi Ryan. How's it going? Yeah? 16 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: Really good? 17 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. Is this something that you're seeing a lot 18 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: of young people who, you know, they've got everything going 19 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: for them, they've got everything, doing everything right, but it's 20 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: just not landing. 21 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: I think it's mixed. I think it's tough and now 22 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: than what it ever has been before. I mean it's 23 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: always hard for a person leaving school. I mean I 24 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: left at sixteen as well, not pass getting works. It's 25 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: always hard when you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, leaving skill, going 26 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: into the market and finding work because you do really 27 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: don't have any experience, so to get experience, honestly, it's 28 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 3: about just not giving up. Attitude is number one. So 29 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: making sure that you know when you're going into a 30 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: potential place of employment that you're coming and well presented. 31 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: In fact, I encourage people of that young age to 32 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: actually walk in and present themselves because it's far better 33 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: to be seen in person than what it is on paper. 34 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: It's a completely different reflection. So turning up and just 35 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: you know, presenting yourself nicely, heading over the CV and 36 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: saying listen, I'd like to apply for the role. The 37 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: employer then gets a bit of a look of what 38 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: that person is like, and you know, sometimes they can 39 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: take them to the back office and have an interview 40 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: right then off the cuff. So there's other ways of 41 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 3: doing it. But right now, with the economy as it is, 42 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: it is tougher. 43 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: What you mentioned that people should young people should sort 44 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: of take initiative and all of that, it sounds like 45 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: this particular person I was reading about it at the weekend, 46 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: it sounds like they were taking all the initiative applying 47 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: for loads of jobs. But if you haven't got a 48 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: job in two years of trying, surely there's going to 49 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: be something else going on. 50 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: I think to answer that question, well, I would actually 51 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: need to have a chat to that person. And also, 52 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: you know, see what kind of roles they're applying for. 53 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that person applied for, you know, the 54 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: wrong job, but you've got to make sure that the 55 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: roles you are applying for are aligned to your skill 56 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: set or what you want to do, you see what 57 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: I mean. And also when you're putting your CV forward 58 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: or cover letter forward, making sure that the cover let 59 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 3: or the email if they don't want to read it, 60 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: is to actually have the things on that are transferable. 61 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: So for example, if someone's looking for a receptionist or 62 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: a customer service role, then you can give experience or 63 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: some idea of how you've done that in a limited 64 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: way in your past, so it's some kind of transfer 65 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: relatable skills. So you know, I'd really have to have 66 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: a chat to her to see what she's done to 67 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: really have an educated answer. 68 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, when I my first job, I think was when 69 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: I was nine, Mom made us get a paper round 70 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: and then you went from your paper. You went from 71 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: your local paper. You could deliver the evening post. This 72 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: was in Wellington, and then you graduate to doing the 73 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: milk run, and then you would graduate eventually to be 74 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: able to work in a cafe or the supermarket. I mean, 75 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously newspapers probably aren't a thing anymore, there's 76 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: no one delivering those. But there must be jobs like 77 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: that that young people can start with. 78 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean my first job was picking strawberries, which 79 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: I think I actually got size from. But anyway, so 80 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: you know, there's always some kind of role out there. 81 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: But right now, you know, I'm in their defense. Even 82 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: people leaving university are really struggling to find their first job. 83 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 3: So it's kind of falling back. You know that there 84 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: are people who still be making redundant. There're still definitely 85 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: uncertainty in the market. Don't get me wrong. I hope 86 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: it's going to be better than last year, but you know, 87 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: I have no so many university leavers this year who've 88 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: actually packed up and gone to Australia, who have gone 89 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: to America, to Camp of America or some kind of 90 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: short owe because it's us nothing for them in New 91 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: Zealand right now, and that's even in the biggest cetties. 92 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: Typically the regions do find it harder because obviously it's smaller, 93 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: less opportunity, but the biggest cities like Auckland and Wellington 94 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: are struggling just as much. 95 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Kate, thank you very much for that. 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