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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heatherdo

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Speaker 1: for Cellen, Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else. News Talks Heavy.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Coming up today, just another day

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Speaker 3: at why Tan. Yeah, the Prime Minister has been booed

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Speaker 3: when he's got himself riled up. We're going to go

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Speaker 3: to our reporter to get the latest Wellington water. Will

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Speaker 3: talk us through whether they actually had a warning that

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Speaker 3: this plant, the poop plant and Wellington was a problem,

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Speaker 3: and should in the cargo spend two million dollars on

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Speaker 3: a new clock tower together? Do for c Ellen, here's

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Speaker 3: a question for you. Was your first reaction to the

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Speaker 3: news of that sewage pumping into Wellington's water something along

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Speaker 3: the lines of, oh, well, I suppose these kinds of

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Speaker 3: things happen. Now, I'm asking you because I've been fighting

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Speaker 3: the urge for the last twenty four hours to simply

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Speaker 3: waive this one away as one of those unfortunate, unforeseen

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Speaker 3: things that just happened from time to time, you know,

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Speaker 3: mistakes happen. I'm very glad that I did resist the urge,

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Speaker 3: because the latest news on it is actually that this

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Speaker 3: facility at more Point is run by a private comp

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Speaker 3: tract of Veolia, and there have been years of warnings

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Speaker 3: that it was non compliant. Since January twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: two years ago, it has been non compliant every single

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Speaker 3: month except for two. That's a pretty poor rate. Issues

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Speaker 3: have included discharges that shouldn't have happened. Issues have included

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Speaker 3: odor problems and multiple issues with po bacteria. A review

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Speaker 3: three years ago had to look at all the water

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Speaker 3: treatment plants the slot runs about four of them across

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Speaker 3: the Wellington region. Found understaffing, inexperienced operators, in the fact

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Speaker 3: that frontline teams were basically being forced to deal with

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Speaker 3: complex problems all by themselves without any executive help. Now,

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Speaker 3: given that we don't actually know what exactly went wrong

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Speaker 3: with the pipe yesterday, we don't know if the warnings

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Speaker 3: were related to what went wrong, as if had we

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Speaker 3: acted on the warnings, this mightn't have happened. We don't know.

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Speaker 3: But clearly what was happening anyway wasn't good enough. And

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Speaker 3: so what it brings me to is mine, mine, ours

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Speaker 3: everybody's default reaction, which is to give councils a free pass.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why we do that. I suspect we

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Speaker 3: do it because actually we're pretty fair minded people in

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Speaker 3: this country. We try to accommodate other people's errors. Counsels

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Speaker 3: maybe also counsels are a monopoly. If we don't like

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Speaker 3: So what's the point in getting upset about it? So

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Speaker 3: what our reaction is simply to increasingly lower our standards

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Speaker 3: Wellingtonians should be angry about this, as should the residents

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Speaker 3: of the Christ of Christ Church about their Bromley stench,

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Speaker 3: which has been going on for years now. Voting, as

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Speaker 3: we know, for more competent people is probably not going

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Speaker 3: to fix this problem and never does. Probably all that

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Speaker 3: is left for Wellingtonians and everybody else and the media

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Speaker 3: is to get cross and then shame the councils and

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Speaker 1: Forgever dup c Allen, nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 3: The text understand a text fees apply And as I say, Nick,

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Speaker 3: leg it's Wellington water chair with us on that alf

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Speaker 3: the five o'clock right. Do you remember the petition from

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Speaker 3: locals to save the Chateau tong Lerero. We've got the

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Speaker 3: government response now the Department of Conservation to consider steps

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Speaker 3: to do up the chateau, but it might still bowl.

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Speaker 3: The thing watching developments is Stuart Barclay, who's the owner

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Speaker 3: Hi Stewart.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi Heather.

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Speaker 3: Are you taking heart from this response from the government.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it's any news with regard to not pulling

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Speaker 3: So what exactly do you think has changed since the

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Speaker 3: like what is the government saying and doing now that

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Speaker 3: it is different to what they were saying and doing

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Speaker 3: before the petition?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the petition has had a big impact.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen people. I think it is roughly that sign the

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Speaker 4: petition and is quite a significant statement. And that's one thing. Also,

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Speaker 4: the Hdow Tongurero is a major tourism icon in the

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Speaker 4: well and it thrives on tourism and it would be

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Speaker 3: Okay, now I agree with you on all of that,

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Speaker 3: but I reckon, I worry they're stringing you along. Is

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Speaker 4: So you think they what I worry.

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Speaker 3: The government's just stringing you along here?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they might be. And you know, when we're

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Speaker 4: it is essential for tourism, and tourism is bringing money in.

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Speaker 4: So if they look at it in a positive way

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Speaker 4: and that will help employment. Employments at its highest at

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Speaker 4: the shadow I think employs you know, almost one hundred

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Speaker 3: Hey, what do you reckon, Stu, It do you reckon

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Speaker 3: that people will come and stay in the Shadow if

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Speaker 3: is that all it needs or does it need some

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Speaker 3: other jazzy little things to happen there as well?

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, but I'm no builder.

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Speaker 3: Occupancy before it was shut, Like, was it getting a

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Speaker 4: Huge, huge occupancy. Really, it was fantastic. It was an

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Speaker 4: iconic kind of destination tourism venue. Weddings would be held

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Speaker 3: All it needs is like obviously the earthquake strengthening, but

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it needs to be obviously safe. But the

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Speaker 4: longer I think it's been dormant now for about three years.

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Speaker 4: but that is a bit of lipstick. But yes, I

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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, listen Stewart, I really appreciated Stuart Barclay,

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Speaker 3: the owner of a drift tout ittle guiding. I hope

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Speaker 3: they're not string the locals along. And I just wonder,

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Speaker 3: I just wonder if I'm having another look at those

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Speaker 3: this basically said we want members to form a trading

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Speaker 3: Luxo keeps talking about how we've got to do things

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Speaker 3: Here the rear Wellington water If that was a farmer,

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Speaker 3: million dollar fines and possibly jail time, the non compliances farcical,

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Speaker 1: With generate celebrating great performances in sport and key we

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Speaker 6: Greetings, Heather, Right, so we've actually, I mean.

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Speaker 3: The Winter Olympics is kicking off. It it's some Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think that had a lot of people don't engage

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Speaker 6: But New Zealand's got a very good team and the

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I saw last night on the TV news David Nyuka

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. Now, even if the allegations seem a little

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Speaker 6: Yeah, if there's noise, it's come from somewhere. It doesn't

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Speaker 6: guy like Nieka, who doesn't have to, but he does

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Speaker 6: So it's an Olympic sport for how long? But people

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Speaker 6: want to I want to find out more about it.

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Speaker 3: ask Robbo who he thinks the next New Zealand coaches

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Speaker 7: Of course I am.

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Speaker 3: He should be embarrassed, mostly stuffed that art.

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Speaker 6: They'd be more relieved than anything to be out of here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Love it Darcy, thank you. I'm looking forward to that.

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Speaker 6: I'm playing golf again.

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Speaker 3: Sportsfalk hoast To'll be back at seven. It's four twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 3: How about Wellington?

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Speaker 8: No major flooding at the my point wastewater treatment plant

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Little is the miracles and.

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Speaker 9: Just are just a catastrophic to the such plant And

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Speaker 10: That this one did.

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Speaker 8: So is this part of the overall Wellington infrastructural calamity

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Speaker 12: The pipes we all know about the plant is.

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Speaker 9: Thirty years old and it's had all the maintance and

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Speaker 11: That does look like a freak thing.

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Speaker 13: But until we do an investigation and find out the courses,

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Speaker 1: Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's other

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Speaker 3: There'd be hither. The Shaateow is iconic of yes to year.

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Speaker 3: Costs more to renovate, renovate than rebuild, living in the past,

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Speaker 3: for five to ten years. Well, which investor is going

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Speaker 3: I mean clearly that lot don't understand how business works.

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Speaker 3: around that. I've got a public service alert for you.

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Speaker 3: Do not call anyone a nonce anymore. And you'll know

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Speaker 3: Son Ben used it probably to say, oh, you're a

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Speaker 3: to be used. Now, do you want to hear a

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Speaker 3: And in the end. They basically, yeah, they became cowards.

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Speaker 14: Late last year, Erica Stanford released the results from our

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Speaker 14: first full year of structured literacy, and they were nothing

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Speaker 14: short of transformational because in just six short months, the

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Speaker 3: No, didn't do a very good job of it, but jeez,

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Speaker 15: We didn't come here to be in solid In fact,

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Speaker 1: Talk about politics.

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Speaker 15: There's three sixty five days here. You gotter, you got Christmas,

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Speaker 15: and you got White Tongue.

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Speaker 15: Sixty two plus you can spare it on politics. But

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Speaker 3: Ethan Griffith's our reporters in White Tongue's gonna run us

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Speaker 1: Hard questions strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive with

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Speaker 1: Dog said, be come, don't.

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Speaker 3: Tell me all the way is you're the The more

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Speaker 3: for him. Peny Ben, that's his plan. The treatment plant

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Speaker 3: ars and his briefcase. Now I would love to see

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Speaker 3: that actually, But as from a ratepayer, well, what do

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Speaker 3: guess you have to vote for mayors and counselors who

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Speaker 3: cast might just have a think about the mayors in

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Speaker 3: both of those seem like pretty good mayors you could

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: UK Prime Minister Kirs Starmer has agreed to release them

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Speaker 3: andalson files. Now, these are the documents about the process

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Speaker 3: to appoint Lord Mandelsson, who we now know is really

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Speaker 3: good mates with Jeffrey Epstein as Britain's ambassador to the US.

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Speaker 3: He has been copying it in the House of Commons.

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Speaker 16: How can we trust the Prime Minister's judgment? And in

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Speaker 16: questioning that, how can we trust him to remain as

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Speaker 17: Mandleson lied throughout the process and beyond the process.

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Speaker 1: The lie delied and he lied again to my team.

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Speaker 3: Over in the States, American TV presenter Savannah Guthrie has

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Speaker 3: made a public appeal to her mother's kidnapper to make

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Speaker 3: contact with the family. Eighty four year old Nancy Guthrie

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Speaker 3: was reported missing last week, and police suspect that she

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Speaker 18: We need to know without a doubt that she is

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Speaker 18: a lie and that you have her.

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Speaker 1: We want to hear from you, and we are ready

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Speaker 1: to listen.

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Speaker 3: The clues to the abduction with the ransom notes that

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Speaker 3: were delivered a couple of days ago. And finally, the

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Speaker 3: loover says that the crown of Impress Eugenie will be

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Speaker 3: fully restored. Now this is the crown that the thieves

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Speaker 3: grabbed during last year's Louve heist. You'll remember that they

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business and out.

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Speaker 3: Of Australia, we have with us. Murray Olds, our correspondent, Heymas.

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Speaker 11: I'm very good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: So Pauline Hanson is going to come to the rescue

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Speaker 3: of the coalition.

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Speaker 4: Is is she?

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Speaker 11: Well? This is almost inevitable. This is playing out like

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Speaker 11: you know, Days of our Lives or something. Pauline Hanson,

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Speaker 11: she's got no hype of ever forming government on her own.

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Speaker 11: There's something that she's admitted. I mean, despite all the

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Speaker 11: purports to be the official opposition over here, she's only

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Speaker 11: the upper House. And currently she's in charge of a

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Speaker 11: I'm happy to leave them forward and she'll guarantee supply.

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Speaker 11: But as for joining now, no way, she says, says.

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Speaker 11: The rabble is the quote. It's a bloody shambles. She says.

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Speaker 11: The Libs and Nats have been actually pinching whatever policies

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Speaker 11: they have, they've pinched from her. And meantime, Clive Palmer,

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Speaker 11: the billionaire part time politician, has said that he's prepared

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Speaker 11: to bankroll the National Party. He's been a member of

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Speaker 11: both the Liberals and the Nationals. Ever, he says, Susan

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Speaker 11: Lee couldn't make an impression on a cushion. And he's

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Speaker 11: you know, he's not that, he's not that madly keenom

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Speaker 11: It just hasn't woken up with the fact yet.

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Speaker 3: Now, if you had to place a bit on the

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Speaker 11: Yes, I would, because for the simple reason they both

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Speaker 11: know neither can get into bed with Pauline Hanson. That's

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Speaker 11: just a bizarre and nonsensical proposition that will never fly.

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Speaker 11: The only way they're ever going to work and ever

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Speaker 11: going to form government again is to be in partnership

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Speaker 11: together the Liberals and the National Party. There's no hope

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Speaker 11: in hell, Heather right at this moment that that will

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Speaker 11: ever happen again. But you've got to get rid of

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Speaker 11: the egos, and that's what's driving all of this. You've

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Speaker 11: who think they can roll the first liberal female federal

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Speaker 11: You know, there's just this inability head to read what

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Speaker 11: the electorate is telling him over here. Who's voting for

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Speaker 11: the liberals? No one, you know who votes for labor,

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Speaker 11: What's a margin a lot?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fair point that you make. Hey, I

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Speaker 3: see a worker has died at an Australian gold mine.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's very very sad. I mean, we're not sure

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Speaker 11: exactly how this poor person has died a diet of

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Speaker 11: the Tanami gold mine app hand on hard. I've never

439
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Speaker 11: heard of it. It's way the heck out in the desert,

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Speaker 11: five hundred and fifty kilometers north west of Ellis Springs.

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Speaker 11: Has got eighteen hundred workers up there digging out about

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Speaker 11: eleven tons of gold a year. So it's a very

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Speaker 11: lucrative operation. Eighteen hundred workers all fly and fly out.

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Speaker 11: There's no details of this accident, but the miners closed

445
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Speaker 11: at the moment while the authority is investigated checking what's

446
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Speaker 11: happened to you?

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Speaker 3: Yes, what did you make of this? I spotted this

448
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Speaker 3: in the Sydney Morning Herald thought it was absolutely fascinating.

449
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Speaker 3: A new South Wales court has jailed a domestic abuser.

450
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Speaker 3: But for the first time ever, this chap is going

451
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Speaker 3: to prison. He hasn't even laid hands on the woman.

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Speaker 11: So what ja. He's in jail because the court found

453
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Speaker 11: he was guilty of what's called coercive control. Right, the

454
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Speaker 11: thirty four year old fella in a six year relationship

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Speaker 11: with this woman. Five times she tried to leave this

456
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Speaker 11: fellow and in the end, the fifth time she managed

457
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Speaker 11: to go to police and say, listen, this is what's

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Speaker 11: been occurring over my six year relationship with this guy.

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Speaker 11: Now police charged the fellow with coercive control and found

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Speaker 11: guilty two years in jail. No physical violence, as you said.

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Speaker 11: But here's the thing. This guy was monitoring where she

462
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Speaker 11: went and who she was with. All her movements were questioned. Heather,

463
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Speaker 11: it was unstoppable verbal abuse. He took her car keys

464
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Speaker 11: and wouldn't give them back, disputed. The credit card chargers

465
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Speaker 11: tried to isolate her from her friends and the deep

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Speaker 11: from her family. Now police said no good and as

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Speaker 11: you say, this is a unique case for the best

468
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Speaker 11: of our knowledge. Here in New South Wales a guy's

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Speaker 11: been sent to jail for two years for basically coercively

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Speaker 11: controlling his girlfriend and it is illegal. President we understand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're interesting to see if that holds on appeal.

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Speaker 3: I muz, thank you for that, appreciate it. Murray Old's

473
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Speaker 3: Australia corresponding. Do you know what I took from that?

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Speaker 19: I thought?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I thought? I thought, jeez, I'm

476
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Speaker 3: not trying to tell people how to get away with

477
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Speaker 3: bad things, but the old text messages, Ah, that's what's

478
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Speaker 3: being held against people. Now, be careful what you send

479
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Speaker 3: an anger. I think eighteen away from five ever do

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Speaker 3: this has got to be one of the stupidest things

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Speaker 3: I've heard this year. Okay, So in the Cargol City

482
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Speaker 3: Council is I don't want to say in disarray because

483
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Speaker 3: that that's not fair. They're just in a massive dispute

484
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Speaker 3: with each other about whether they should spend two million

485
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Speaker 3: dollars of their rate payers money on a clock tower.

486
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Speaker 3: Now it's a depending on how you look at it,

487
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Speaker 3: it's a bargain because they're not going to be spending

488
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Speaker 3: all up for the full thing, right, it's a four

489
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Speaker 3: million dollar clock tower, and Distinction Hotel, which is nearby

490
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Speaker 3: the clock tower, wants to go half and half with

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Speaker 3: the city council. So Distinction puts in two million and

492
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Speaker 3: the council puts two million, and your first I mean,

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Speaker 3: my first first thought was, oh, jeez, that's an expensive renovation, Like,

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Speaker 3: how is a renovation of a clock tower two million

495
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Speaker 3: dollars that? No, it's not a renovation. No, in the

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Speaker 3: Cargo City Council wants to build from scratch a clock

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Speaker 3: tower in the middle of the city in the year

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Is that not the stupidest thing you've

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Speaker 3: ever heard? I mean, I understand if you were going around,

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Speaker 3: you know, erecting a clock tower in the mid nineteenth

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Speaker 3: century so that people could I don't know, adjust their

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Speaker 3: watches to the central time. But it's twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: What have we all got in our hands? This little

504
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Speaker 3: guy the cell phone, I know what the time is.

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Speaker 3: I don't need it up on AO. Like that's weird,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. That is weird. Ian Pottinger in the Cargo

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Speaker 3: City councilor has described it as idiotic, and I think

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Speaker 3: I have to agree with him. If it was okay

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Speaker 3: to still use the word nonce. I would be throwing

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Speaker 3: it around liberally right now.

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Speaker 7: Anyway.

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Speaker 20: If we had a slightly cheaper clock tower in the studio, though,

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Speaker 20: do you think we might get the time riter slightly

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Speaker 20: more often than No.

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Speaker 3: That's because that's not a time problem. That's a user errors.

516
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Speaker 3: That's that's just looking at the numbers and just whatever.

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Speaker 3: You know, none of it making sense to the user

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Speaker 3: being myself. Anyway, Ian's going to be with us to

519
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Speaker 3: talk us and we're just gonna have a good old

520
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Speaker 3: chat in about half an hour about how stupid this is.

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Speaker 3: And you're welcomed away in nine to nine two Barry Soapers,

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Speaker 3: Next sixty away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

525
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Speaker 3: It will get you across what's gone on in Waitangi

526
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Speaker 3: today after five o'clock of our reporter, who's there? Thirteen

527
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Speaker 3: away from five Barry Soaper, Senior correspondent, Political correspondent is

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Speaker 3: back from it. Welcome back, Barry, Hello, heaven see. Did

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Speaker 3: you got to Shane Jones's party?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I did the party.

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Speaker 19: It was the most spectacular party for a private party

533
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Speaker 19: I think I've ever been to I mean there were

534
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Speaker 19: almost five hundred people there, diplomats galore, and ironically, on

535
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Speaker 19: the same night was none other than Jerry Brownley's seventieth birthday.

536
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Speaker 19: Oh round of Happy Birthday. And I said to Jerry later,

537
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Speaker 19: I said, well, you picked your night pretty well, Jerry.

538
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Speaker 19: You've got a big party going for you. And no,

539
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Speaker 19: it was. It was an extraordinary party. And I take

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Speaker 19: my hat off to Shane Jones for organizing it. It's

541
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Speaker 19: something of a cult.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's actually Dot who organized.

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Speaker 19: She does a lot of the organization. The theme last

544
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Speaker 19: night and I wasn't where there was a theme before

545
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Speaker 19: I went was a country in Western and of course

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Speaker 19: the Marshall Winston Peters was seated in a little long clay.

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Speaker 3: He did not no, he didn't know.

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Speaker 19: He didn't of course, but the sheriff was obviously Shane Jones,

549
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Speaker 19: and he dressed up with a holster and there were

550
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Speaker 19: a lot of hats around and stuff like that. So

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Speaker 19: it was a really good party.

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Speaker 3: Did you get any guess on a goss on what's

553
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Speaker 3: gone down with Penny?

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Speaker 19: Well, you know I got that earlier in the day

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Speaker 19: at Waitangi itself. And there's been a fallout between Penny

556
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Speaker 19: and Willie Jackson, and that to.

557
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Speaker 3: Me is quite well. This is what you said to

558
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Speaker 3: us yesterday in the suggestion that there might be another

559
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Speaker 3: job in the works already. First Penny. Okay, So Winston

560
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Speaker 3: has done the usual thing of gettings across across at

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Speaker 3: the brows over there.

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Speaker 19: It was explording you because it was a political day

563
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Speaker 19: there today, with all the leaders addressing people on the

564
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Speaker 19: white tongue Maria. But the most fiery speech of the

565
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Speaker 19: day came from Winston Peters, who certainly wasn't showing his

566
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Speaker 19: diplomatic skills when dealing with Hitler's Listen.

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Speaker 15: Some young people here been remembers of history, and don't

568
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Speaker 15: get up an insults on us, because I'm not gonna

569
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Speaker 15: take it. Get that player. We didn't come here to

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Speaker 15: be insulted. In fact, we didn't come here to talk

571
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Speaker 15: about politics. But there's some young fuck out there shutting

572
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Speaker 15: because he doesn't know what there is. And back in

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Speaker 15: the old times his help to shut up at a

574
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Speaker 15: man called Henri. But I was young enough to look

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Speaker 15: under many many years ago his Penn's grandfather.

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Speaker 1: Those are the realities and not there's.

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Speaker 15: New dumped up stuff from second rate university students and

578
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Speaker 15: lecturers who think that they're gonna know. They think they're

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Speaker 15: going to read cread history and persuade the rest of them.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, you don't.

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Speaker 15: They're never going to win that way. So here comes

582
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Speaker 15: the point when they come here next year, please celebrate

583
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Speaker 15: what we're here for. Oh and by the way, there's

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Speaker 15: a major event coming very shortly. We're in a very

585
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Speaker 15: troubled and trying world. But there's great changes happening abroad,

586
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Speaker 15: and they're happening right here, and abous you. I'll get

587
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Speaker 15: on side of those changes right here, right now. They'll

588
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Speaker 15: come a time and soon when you'll want to talk

589
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Speaker 15: to me and my party farmer, we're gonna talk to you.

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Speaker 1: You're tato.

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Speaker 19: So I can see now why he lift the Shane

592
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Speaker 19: Jones party early last night he was winding himself up for.

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Speaker 1: Their speech clip.

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Speaker 3: What time is early?

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Speaker 19: Oh he lift about nine o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tis well for anyone really at a party like that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So labors also, I mean this is you know, labor

598
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Speaker 3: would generally consider that it would be the ones that

599
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Speaker 3: get get a bit more of a friendly reception at

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Speaker 3: at White Honey, but not.

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Speaker 19: So well, No, it was really interesting that Eru Kappa King,

602
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Speaker 19: the son of Marmina, the expelled part of Maori Party MP,

603
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Speaker 19: he got up and spoke on the Madai and he

604
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Speaker 19: got stuck into not just the government but to the

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Speaker 19: Labor Party. He essentially said that Mary and Labor have

606
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Speaker 19: been stabbing Maori in the back. This is what it rattled,

607
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Speaker 19: certainly the leadership of the party. This is what Hipkins

608
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Speaker 19: had to say.

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Speaker 21: Iron is a wonderful thing. I'm not going to be

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Speaker 21: able to stop him.

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Speaker 6: So it's got a bloody cheek, a load of rubbish.

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Speaker 6: We did a lot of work for Mary.

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Speaker 3: I'm proud of the work that our.

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Speaker 17: Team here had, just Sinda, we did more for Mary

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Speaker 17: over that six years than any government probably has done

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Speaker 17: in the previous generation.

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Speaker 7: You know, So it who doesn't.

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Speaker 21: Know what he's talking about. I was talking to him

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Speaker 21: early and never said a word to me about that.

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Speaker 19: Well, interestingly, I did a bit of digging to look

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Speaker 19: at Treaty settlements and how many had been settled by

622
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Speaker 19: National as opposed to the government, as opposed to the

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Speaker 19: Labor Party. So the Key English government they made between

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Speaker 19: fifty eight and sixty settlements when they were in power,

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Speaker 19: Chris Finlayson, of course, was the minister then. In the

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Speaker 19: eighteen years before that, just twenty seven settlements have been made.

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Speaker 19: The Clerk government made eleven and the Ardurn Hipkins government

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Speaker 19: they made ten to fifteen settlements. Now the ten to

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Speaker 19: fifteen is that five of those ten were already in

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Speaker 19: and on the way.

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Speaker 3: It's contract that double number. Yeah great, Barry, thanks very much.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soker, Senior political correspondent. It's eight away from five here.

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Speaker 3: The most people couldn't care less about what's going on

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Speaker 3: at White Tonguey. It's something that the same people turn

635
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Speaker 3: up to every year, have their two minutes in the media,

636
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Speaker 3: and then we all move on for another three hundred

637
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Speaker 3: and sixty five days, which I think Baz is onto

638
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: something there is fair. But if you stuff it up, boy,

639
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: you stuff it up badly, don't you? And then everybody

640
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Speaker 3: remembers for ages speaking of when not not that he's

641
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: stuffed it up necessarily, but Act Party Leave leader David

642
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Speaker 3: Seymour has been at white Tonguey today and I'll tell

643
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Speaker 3: you why. He's taken absolutely no advice from me at all.

644
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Speaker 3: He's made it clear that his party still intends to

645
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Speaker 3: get the Treaty principal bill through, and he thinks it's

646
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Speaker 3: just a matter of time.

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Speaker 5: That may or may not be in my time. I

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Speaker 5: give you example of I'm asexual lawful. You know when

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Speaker 5: I think it was then young Audrey's uncle actually put

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Speaker 5: that up on the order paper in nineteen seventy four.

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Speaker 5: People said, you're mad, why you're doing this focus on

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Speaker 5: the economy that'll never fly. Twelve years later a similar

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Speaker 5: law pass. Now seems crazy that anything was ever any

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Speaker 5: different now.

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Speaker 3: He also said something else the lovees won't be keen

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Speaker 3: on when he was asked about colonization, Well, you only.

657
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Speaker 5: Have to look at New Zealand as a success story.

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Speaker 5: Even the poorest people in New Zealand today living like

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Speaker 5: kings and Queen's compared with most places at most times

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Speaker 5: in history. I think that you could hardly say that

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Speaker 5: being one of the most successful societies of the world today,

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Speaker 5: which New Zealand is, we sometimes forget what it is.

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Speaker 5: You can hardly say that that's a poor outcome.

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Speaker 22: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, of course the media just pop, so they asked

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Speaker 3: him about it some more. He doubled down, what do

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Speaker 3: you look like if the Paul Land Lakers a.

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Speaker 5: Clad oh, always having to answer the media's questions, I'm

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Speaker 5: a slave.

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Speaker 3: Oh dear, Okay, listen, let's move on to other things,

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Speaker 3: seeing as he hasn't taken any of my advice, and

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Speaker 3: just let that go for the minute. Ethan Griffiths is

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Speaker 3: going to be with us runners through what is going

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Speaker 3: on at Why t you what the day has been like?

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Speaker 3: Whether the Hecklers were stoke that they at least tried

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Speaker 3: to drown out the Prime Minister didn't work? And then

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Speaker 3: Wellington Water's chair Nick Leggett on all of those warnings

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Speaker 3: about that Pope plant in the years leading up to

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Speaker 3: the Old Pooh explosion. The other day News talks, he'd be.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try the truck to

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. Christopher Luxon has been heckled when Ston Peters

686
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Speaker 3: told off the Hecklers and Madama Davidson gave the government

687
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Speaker 3: a what the heck? It's just another day at White Tonguey,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. Our political reporter on the spot is Ethan Griffiths,

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Speaker 3: who's with us High Ethan got to hear that on

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Speaker 3: the scale of things, in compared to past white Tonguey's

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Speaker 3: this is not that the reaction to the politicians hasn't

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Speaker 3: been all that bad this year, has it.

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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 18: It's been pretty tame if I'm honest. I mean it

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Speaker 18: was very interesting. David Seymour, who copped it a lot

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Speaker 18: last year, copped basically nothing this year.

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Speaker 1: He had very few heckles.

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Speaker 18: The Prime Minister Chris Luckson obviously got quite a few more,

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Speaker 18: which was interesting to most of us who are standing

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Speaker 18: there on the pipe by watching it. And Winston Peters

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Speaker 18: as well, in typical fashion, hit back to the people

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Speaker 18: that were heckling him. But look, all in all, it

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Speaker 18: was pretty tame this year.

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Speaker 3: There's been a little bit of talk I've noticed of

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Speaker 3: a much higher police and security presence, although the government

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Speaker 3: ministers tried to sort of shut that down. Was it

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Speaker 3: higher than normal?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean all of us have been talking.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of there's a lot of police presence here.

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Speaker 18: Man. We're not talking just cops either, We're talking about

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Speaker 18: drones that police are flying. We've seen cops with you know,

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Speaker 18: the long sticks with mirrors on the end of them

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Speaker 18: to look for suspicious things under cars, and the Diplomatic

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Speaker 18: Protection Service as well. I mean that has really geared

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Speaker 18: up this year. Everyone seemingly has diplomatic protection at the moment,

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Speaker 18: and there are lots of cops right, there's cops all

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Speaker 18: around pie here and obviously in the evenings as well,

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Speaker 18: when they've got nothing to do, they've been doing things

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Speaker 18: like doing license checks at bars and drink driving and

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Speaker 18: things like that. So there is a huge police presence

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Speaker 18: here this year.

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Speaker 3: Has it been any explanation for why, No, not so far.

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Speaker 18: We did have a statement from the district commander up here,

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Speaker 18: Matt Suhui, who said that this is months in the

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Speaker 18: planning and is pretty typical. But it certainly does seem

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Speaker 18: like there has been an increased presence, which is odd

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Speaker 18: given we haven't seen that much protest action this year.

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Speaker 3: Yes, now I understand there's been a bit of drama

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Speaker 3: involving the Maori Party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is very interesting.

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Speaker 18: Edu Kapakini, who of course is ousted to party Malori

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Speaker 18: MP Muddy Ameno Kapakini's son. He spoke on the Madai

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Speaker 18: today on the Napui side and shortly after his speech

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Speaker 18: Lwready White as he got up and spoke as well.

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Speaker 18: After his speech was finished, the two party Marti members

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Speaker 18: did a hakka in which Keddy Tamaheti, which is Darwiti's

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Speaker 18: wife and also the daughter of John Tummahetty, went quite

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Speaker 18: close to Edu Kappa Kingey performing ahaka essentially in his face.

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Speaker 18: It led to Muddy Menocapa Kingi sitting up on the

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Speaker 18: verandah of the media to stand up and yell hockey

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Speaker 18: Utu get back to Kitty Tummy Hetty. So look I

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Speaker 18: mean for a party that is looking to enter government

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Speaker 18: and a party which Chris Hipkins says needs to sort

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Speaker 18: their sort their drama out before they get him, for

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Speaker 18: it to all play out on the pipe of the

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Speaker 18: Madi today was probably not very effective for them.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Hey, Ethan, thanks very much runn us for at

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Speaker 3: Ethan Griffith's newstalk ZB Political Reporter ten past five.

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Speaker 1: Heather Do for Sea Elis well It's now been.

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Speaker 3: Revealed there have been warnings for years about that wastewater

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Speaker 3: plant pumping swage into the ocean in Wellington. It has

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Speaker 3: been non compliant every month except for two months for

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Speaker 3: the last two years. Nick Leggett is Wellington Water's chair

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Speaker 3: and he's with us now. High Nick Hi Heather, how

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Speaker 3: was it non compliant?

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Speaker 13: Well, there are the problem with all wastewater treatment plants

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Speaker 13: in the Wellingham region. They have not had the investment

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Speaker 13: over many many years needed to keep them up, keep

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Speaker 13: the equipment in the plant up to scratch, and as

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Speaker 13: a result they don't meet in all cases, in some

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Speaker 13: very few cases and with some plants they don't meet

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Speaker 13: the standards required. And that's been pretty evident with reporting

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Speaker 13: that's public that Wellington Water does on behalf of the

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Speaker 13: council owners and of course either it points to the

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Speaker 13: fact that we've got a broken system where it comes

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Speaker 13: to water delivery in New Zealand, and that's why we're

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Speaker 13: headed to reform now.

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Speaker 3: Look, I know, given that we haven't completed and we

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Speaker 3: don't really know what's gone wrong here this week, it

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Speaker 3: be hard for us to understand whether the red flags

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Speaker 3: and the two years leading up to now relate somehow

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Speaker 3: to what has gone on here. But is it a possibility, Well,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a possibility.

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Speaker 13: I mean a lot of plants are old, their designs

775
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Speaker 13: are not what you design these days, and you know

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Speaker 13: there's going to have to be significant money spent on them.

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Speaker 13: And the councils of the region know that Wellington Water

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Speaker 13: has signaled that the councils have agreed over the last

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Speaker 13: year or two to divert more money into these plants

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Speaker 13: because unfortunately they all carry risks and this risk has

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Speaker 13: become a reality, and that is you know, it's not

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Speaker 13: acceptable for Wellingtonian's aufer the surrounding coastal environment. This is

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Speaker 13: not the country that we want to live in where

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Speaker 13: wastewater is pumping us into the environment.

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Speaker 3: Have you thought about dumping Veolia? Who are the ones

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Speaker 3: running this wastewater plant? At any point leading up to.

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Speaker 13: Now, we've also been public about the challenges but in

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Speaker 13: that relationship with Violia. But because we've got water reform coming,

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Speaker 13: so people will know and many will be pleased to

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Speaker 13: know that Wellington Water will be no more come a year,

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Speaker 13: there's going to be a new organization called Tiaki Wire

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Speaker 13: that will not only service and run the assets, it

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Speaker 13: will own the assets and it will build customers directly.

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Speaker 13: Now what Wellington Water has been publicly disemboweling itself for

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Speaker 13: the last year and improving the value for money that

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Speaker 13: we give to Wellingtonians by making some of the contracting

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Speaker 13: commercial relationships more competitive. We've been getting things sorted to

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Speaker 13: this new organization. I mean to give you an example,

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Speaker 13: Wellington Water employees five hundred people and spends half a

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Speaker 13: billion dollars a year on providing water services. It doesn't

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Speaker 13: have its own payroll system, its own finance system. It's

802
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Speaker 13: never had that investment. And so what we've had to

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Speaker 13: do is triage what we fix and what we improve

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Speaker 13: and actually changing the elier relationship, changing that horse. When

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Speaker 13: we're about to go into, you know, have this massive reform,

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Speaker 13: it just isn't a sensible thing to do.

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Speaker 9: And so instead.

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Speaker 13: Wells and Water has chosen to manage that relationship to

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Speaker 13: get more out of it and to improve the problem.

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Speaker 3: A little short on time here, Nick, but just quickly,

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Speaker 3: if it is found that Veolia could have avoided what

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Speaker 3: has happened this week, will they get pained for it?

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Speaker 3: Do they get a fine or something like that?

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Speaker 13: Look, I just think there are so many moving parts

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Speaker 13: and so many parties involved. We are not in a

816
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Speaker 13: position to point fingers or lay blame or think about

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Speaker 13: what might happen. What I want to do is get

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Speaker 13: the response sorted so we are not pumping or waste

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Speaker 13: there as soon as possible. And this look near little

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Speaker 13: has this afternoon said there will be an independent review.

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Speaker 13: That is the best thing that will give people the

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Speaker 13: clarity they need at the right time. And we're focused

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Speaker 13: on getting this into a state where we can start

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Speaker 13: treating sewerage again. That will probably take months, but we

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Speaker 13: are and then of course there.

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Speaker 3: Will be this No, that's all I need. That's all

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Speaker 3: I did say, just quickly, thank you, appreciate it, and

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Speaker 3: I got the answer. Nick Leggett, Wellington Water chare unable

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Speaker 3: to stop talking, and I can say, as a friend

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Speaker 3: of the show, here's my mate, so I'm allowed to

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Speaker 3: say that kind of stuff. Hither I live in Theicargol.

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Speaker 3: Wasting two million dollars on a clock tower is about

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Speaker 3: normal for our council. By the way, this is a

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Speaker 3: council that I understand doesn't have enough money for traffic

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Speaker 3: lights but wants to spend two million dollars on o'clock tower.

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Speaker 3: Let us talk to Ian Pottinger of Welling Oh of

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Speaker 3: Council plans to spend two million dollars on a clock tower.

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Speaker 3: The council's paying two mil nearby Distinction Hotel is stumping

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Speaker 3: up another two mil. Ian Pottinger is a city councilor

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Speaker 3: and is with us now high Ian, A Hi there Ian.

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Speaker 3: Why are you guys wanting to build a clock tower

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six when everyone the time because we've

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Speaker 3: got cell phones with the time on it.

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Speaker 11: Great?

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Speaker 23: Great question, well, especially in the time where central government

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Speaker 23: want in councils to look at rate capping and spending prudently.

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Speaker 23: The actual the actual need for the clock is no more.

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Speaker 23: It's currently a hole in the ground covered by a

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Speaker 23: topple and fences. What it was put there for years

878
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Speaker 23: ago was that particular end of Esk Street now where

879
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Speaker 23: a distinction hotel sits beautifully was sort of how do

880
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Speaker 23: we cover it up type thing, and it was put

881
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Speaker 23: there with other other hideaway stuff just so you don't

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Speaker 23: see anything behind it.

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Speaker 9: That's all gone.

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Speaker 23: Now we have a beautiful, beautiful new hotel, beautifully paved walkways,

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Speaker 23: a new city mall. No need whatsoever for this clock.

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Speaker 3: Now, am I right in understanding that this is a

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Speaker 3: council that actually can't afford some traffic lights?

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Speaker 23: Correct? In the meeting on Tuesday we had two public submitters.

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Speaker 23: One was a local junior high school that have a

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Speaker 23: precarious four lane road going past one side of their

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Speaker 23: school with a pedestrian crossing, and so they were wanting

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Speaker 23: quite illuminated please slow down stop sort of lights whatever

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Speaker 23: the experts put in, and that obviously at council expense,

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Speaker 23: which we expect to do and we have to. We

895
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Speaker 23: were told we have to go and try and find

896
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Speaker 23: funding for this, you know, from New Zealand fans, or

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Speaker 23: we don't have money in the bank.

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Speaker 6: Effectively.

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Speaker 23: The other one was a group of local young people

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Speaker 23: who were wanting bus shelters so they could wait for

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Speaker 23: the bus without getting rained on, you know, which is

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Speaker 23: a reasonable requestion in cargo.

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Speaker 11: Both those we're.

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Speaker 23: Submitners that day, and then right at the end we

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Speaker 23: see this folly of the two million dollar clock, and

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Speaker 23: I just had to say, excuse me, you know it's idiotic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck with it. Ian, I'm glad you're calling

908
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Speaker 3: it what it actually is, Ian Pottering just in Theacago

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Speaker 3: City councilor hither, it's interesting. This is from David. It's

910
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 3: interesting listening to those ongoing excuses from Nick Legget. It's

911
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: time for some accountability. Do you know what I agree?

912
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Speaker 3: I think that is. I opened the show saying this,

913
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Speaker 3: we need to expect better of our people running facilities

914
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Speaker 3: like this and our councils. And the correct answer, actually,

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Speaker 3: when I ask the question, will they get fined or something?

916
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Speaker 3: If Veolia is to blame for this, the correct answer

917
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Speaker 3: is absol bloody lootely they will five two.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Do for

919
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Speaker 1: Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one

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Speaker 1: else news talks.

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Speaker 18: They'd be hey, do.

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Speaker 3: You remember last year with the peach business and the

923
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Speaker 3: contracts getting canned and what he's what he's been the

924
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Speaker 3: ones canning the contraction, I mean all that stuff at

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Speaker 3: the time. I don't know if you realize this, but

926
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Speaker 3: what he's claimed that the Chinese were dumping a whole

927
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Speaker 3: bunch of peaches here. It's been an investigation. They were right.

928
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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to the Minister Scott Simpson about

929
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Speaker 3: that after six o'clock. Right now, it's twenty five past five,

930
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Speaker 3: so it's been five days since the latest stump of

931
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Speaker 3: the Epstein files and five days on we can say

932
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Speaker 3: so far, at least, the conspiracy theorists have not been

933
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Speaker 3: proven right. There is no client list, there is no

934
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Speaker 3: clear evidence that Epstein was blackmailing powerful people, and there

935
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Speaker 3: is no proof that he was murdered in jail. And

936
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Speaker 3: yet the conspiracy theorists aren't completely wrong, are they? Because

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Speaker 3: one of the threads running through all of the conspiracy

938
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Speaker 3: theories is that powerful people protect other powerful people so

939
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Speaker 3: that they don't have to suffer the consequences of their actions. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you believe the Bill Gates got an STD from

941
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Speaker 3: a rushing girl and tried to hide it from his

942
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Speaker 3: wife by slipping her antibiotics email. Then that is proof,

943
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Speaker 3: but that requires you believing the email. But Peter Mandelson

944
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Speaker 3: over in the UK, that case is one hundred percent

945
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Speaker 3: absolute proof of powerful people escaping consequences. Peter Mandilson has

946
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Speaker 3: been bust. It is having leaked market sensitive UK government

947
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Speaker 3: information to Epstein while he was a government minister about

948
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Speaker 3: how his Prime minister was planning to deal with the

949
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Speaker 3: aftermath of the GFC and then he was swanning around

950
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Speaker 3: Epstein's apartment in his undies and then according to the emails,

951
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Speaker 3: he was being paid seventy five thousand quid by Epstein.

952
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Speaker 3: Now this is where it proves the theme of the

953
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Speaker 3: conspiracy theories right. Even though Kius Starman now admits that

954
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Speaker 3: he knew Mandalshn and Epstein's stayed mates. After Epstein's conviction,

955
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Speaker 3: Starmer appointed mandalssn as that the UK ambassador to the US. Anyway,

956
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Speaker 3: even though more information came out last year that made

957
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Speaker 3: Mandalsson look bad, Mandalsshon remained a lord. Why because Peter

958
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Speaker 3: Mandelson is a fellow Labour Party man who has helped

959
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Speaker 3: the Labour Party Kis Sarma's Labour Party into office. And

960
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Speaker 3: it was friends helping friends. But now now that this

961
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Speaker 3: dump of information has come out, Peter Mandlsson has lost

962
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Speaker 3: a job obviously previously is now being removed from the

963
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Speaker 3: Privy Council, might lose his title of Lorden as being

964
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Speaker 3: investigated by the police, all of which would never possibly

965
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Speaker 3: have happened if it was that the conspiracy theorists never

966
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Speaker 3: stopped demanding the Epstein files. So even though the conspiracy

967
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Speaker 3: theorists aren't totally wrong right, aren't, And even though they

968
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Speaker 3: haven't been proven right in their broader vibe about what

969
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Speaker 3: was going on, they were absolutely bang on.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper c Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl is happening on Monday, but the ads are

972
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Speaker 3: already out. You can go look at them online and

973
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Speaker 3: tell you what the heaps of Hollywood stars in there

974
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Speaker 3: Sabrina Carpenter is in the ad for Pringles, Bradley Cooper,

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Speaker 3: Matthew Mcconnory Parker, Posey, who's the crazy pilled up mum

976
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Speaker 3: and white Lotus, you know, the one who's a bit nutty,

977
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Speaker 3: the Texan. They are all in the ad for Uber Eats,

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Speaker 3: Ben Affleck, Matt LeBlanc, Jennifer Aniston, Jason Alexander. They're all

979
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Speaker 3: in the Dunkin Donuts ad post. Malona's in the one

980
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Speaker 3: for bud Light, Emma Stone is in the one for

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Speaker 3: Square Space, Ben Stiller. In Instacart, Elijah Wood has popped

982
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Speaker 3: up as a magical three legged creature It's quite funny

983
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Speaker 3: to look at in the Skittles ad Adrian Brody, Kendall

984
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Speaker 3: Jenner there in ads Tiger White at He has popped

985
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Speaker 3: up as a therapist for a polar bear in the

986
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Speaker 3: pepsi ad. Now we've got ads. It's difficult for me

987
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Speaker 3: to like, I can't play you the ads and you

988
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Speaker 3: enjoy them properly. You really got to look at them.

989
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Speaker 3: But some of them you can actually enjoy on the Radius.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to play some of them for you later on.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned, Newstalks, the day's Newspeakers. Talk to Heather first,

992
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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ell and drive with One New Zealand and

993
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Speaker 1: the Power of Satellite Mobile News Talks dB.

994
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Speaker 6: Only want you here that you and I.

995
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Speaker 3: Believe need to eat your words about the conspiracy theorists

996
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: before the end of the year, Phip, I didn't halfway there.

997
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying.

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Speaker 3: Look, the general vibe is bang off now yesterday about

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Speaker 3: this time we were talking about that the jewelry for

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Speaker 3: sale on trade me the gold and the silver and

1001
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Speaker 3: so on. What of course happened at the weekend, which

1002
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Speaker 3: does bear mentioning, is that there was a massive crash

1003
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Speaker 3: in the price of gold right and it was it

1004
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Speaker 3: was significant, happened basically overnight and the medals dropped by

1005
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Speaker 3: up to forty percent. Sam Dickie is going to be

1006
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Speaker 3: with us in an hour time and explain what exactly

1007
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Speaker 3: went wrong. The seeing as we're all buying gold and silver,

1008
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Speaker 3: might actually want to tune in and get some advice

1009
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Speaker 3: from him on that one. The huddle standing by, it's

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Speaker 3: twenty four away from six.

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Speaker 1: Hever do for Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Now once again there are calls to overhaul the dog laws.

1013
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 3: These laws are old, about thirty years old, and DASA

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Speaker 3: shows that acc claims from dog attacks have grown in

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Speaker 3: the last few years from about eleven million dollars to

1016
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Speaker 3: almost sixteen million dollars and most of this actually the

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Speaker 3: attacks happens in private homes. Dog trainer and owner of

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Speaker 3: Ministry of how Diana Haggart is with us now on

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Speaker 3: this high Diana, Hi, how are you doing. I'm very well,

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Speaker 3: thank you would you support an overhaul of the laws?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 10: As you said, you know, there's there's been an increase,

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Speaker 10: It's been a steady increase since. I mean, I've been

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Speaker 10: working with dogs for nineteen years and I started out

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Speaker 10: my career with the city council and it's just been

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Speaker 10: steadily increasing. The I believe the dog Control acts that

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Speaker 10: we're working with at the moment as in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, so and overhall, they're great ideas.

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Speaker 3: What is it you would change about the laws?

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Speaker 10: I mean, from a trainer's perspective, I think, you know,

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Speaker 10: so many of the problems stem from just a lack

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Speaker 10: of education for dog owners first of all about you know,

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Speaker 10: breed specific requirements, what's actually involved in training a dog,

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Speaker 10: and also what the legal obligations are of dog owners.

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Speaker 10: Would you love to see One of.

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Speaker 3: The things, Diana, that Auckland City Council appears to be

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Speaker 3: pushing for is the ability to detain what like, they

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Speaker 3: look at a dog, they go, well, that dog looks

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Speaker 3: dodgy as all hell. The ability to just detain that

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Speaker 3: dog rather than having to go through a lengthy court

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Speaker 3: process to be able to do that. I mean, that

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Speaker 3: makes sense to me, doesn't it that should be allowed?

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Speaker 10: I mean, I guess it depends on what their criteria is.

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Speaker 10: If it's you know, the way that they identify some

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Speaker 10: of our band breeds, you know, the present Canaria with

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Speaker 10: it our physical characteristics, that would mean that they would

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Speaker 10: classify a dog as menacing by breed or whether or

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Speaker 10: not it's behavioral. The officer has encountered the dog and

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Speaker 10: they have deemed them to be dangerous, and I mean,

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Speaker 10: I think it would depend on all of that kind

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Speaker 10: of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how much. But by the way, how much does

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Speaker 3: exercise because one of the articles suggests that exercise is

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Speaker 3: actually a real fundamental thing here, and if a dog

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Speaker 3: isn't a huge probably not getting enough of a run around.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, that's what I mean by breed specific requirements.

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Speaker 10: You know, dogs like kind of huskies and collies, and

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Speaker 10: you know dogs like that, they require an enormous amount

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Speaker 10: of stimulation and enrichment and exercise, and so many of

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Speaker 10: them are not getting it. So of course, you know

1062
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Speaker 10: the behaviors, you know, becoming dangerous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're teaching your kids, because the problem is

1064
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Speaker 3: that this is something that freaks parents out and other

1065
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Speaker 3: dog owners obviously, who generally know how to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: But if you're worried as a parent, what do you

1067
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Speaker 3: teach your kids about how to approach your dog and

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Speaker 3: what to look for in order to keep them safe?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 10: I mean you know, I mean we teach our kids

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Speaker 10: pretty much, don't approach a dog. You know, if a

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Speaker 10: dog is friendly and approaching you, and you've had an

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Speaker 10: opportunity to ask the owner and is it okay? If

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Speaker 10: I say hello, then that's okay. But in general, don't

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Speaker 10: go in't to approach dogs. Definitely, don't approach dogs if you

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Speaker 10: don't know them. And if a dog not making it

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Speaker 10: very clear that it wants to be friends with you,

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Speaker 10: then leave it.

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Speaker 3: Then all right, Hey, thank you, Diana, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: A Diana Haggart, dog trainer at Ministry of Hound. It's

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Speaker 3: coming up twenty away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name you

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Speaker 1: can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle this this evening we have Morris Williams

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Speaker 3: and Auckland City Councilor and Mark Sainsbury broadcast to Hello

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Speaker 3: you too, here are you here?

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Speaker 22: Right?

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Speaker 3: Sam, So, how are you feeling about that pool in

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Speaker 3: the water situation? Now that you know that that plant

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Speaker 3: hopefully that plant has been basically non compliant for two

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Speaker 3: years here?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, and this, you know, I mean they keep from

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Speaker 22: what of this is the olier that which is I

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Speaker 22: think something like the fifth largest company in the world

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Speaker 22: in terms of waste management. And where's been the open

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Speaker 22: I mean, people are just so passed off here there.

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Speaker 22: You know, I can't take the dogs down to the beach.

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Speaker 22: You can't eat and look to be for the rest

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Speaker 22: of the summer. But I just sorry, is it not

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Speaker 22: evolve and a pipe net? Your job to try? You

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Speaker 22: have one thing to do?

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Speaker 9: Oh? People are furious, are they?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So here's the thing, Morris. All too often we've

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Speaker 3: seen something like this happen and then there's no consequence.

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Speaker 3: So what should we actually be expecting here?

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Speaker 12: Well, I like the fact that Mark's passed off at

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Speaker 12: the sewerage, so that's quite good. The first thing Right

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Speaker 12: is going to do is stop by never hold a

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Speaker 12: lefties who go in there and do all the wrong things. Seriously,

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Speaker 12: if he goes through all their maors from Tory farn

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Speaker 12: Out or Justin Lester or even Celia Wade Brown. They

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Speaker 12: are always about cycle tracks and all sorts of stuff.

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Speaker 12: The real responsibility for a counselors to get in and

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Speaker 12: build proper infrastructure that functions and works. So that's what

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Speaker 12: I hope Andrew Little won't be one of those lefties.

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Speaker 12: I think he's more common and send some more mainstream

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Speaker 12: type terms of making the economies of getting that and

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Speaker 12: to be real fear to the current government actually simming

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Speaker 12: and Brown's given them some new legislation which allows them

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Speaker 12: to set up a proper CCO with a proper balance

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Speaker 12: sheet and a proper business case to get stuck into it.

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Speaker 12: So I think there's a solution there as long as

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Speaker 12: they take it and run with it.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean, don't forget though these guys have been

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Speaker 22: there for twenty two years.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, this wasn't just It wasn't just the lefties for us. Oh,

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Speaker 12: come on, the last five meals and so on. I

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Speaker 12: think you've got to go right back to find a

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Speaker 12: non lifting there in Wellington. Yeah, they need do one

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Speaker 12: term at a turn.

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Speaker 9: They usually do, you know what, But there is.

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Speaker 3: Something in that. I mean to take out take out

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Speaker 3: the provocative, the provocation there from Morris, there is something

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Speaker 3: about what we need. We need to change the way

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Speaker 3: that we vote, don't we We need to stop voting

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Speaker 3: for somebody who's promising us, you know, this utopia of

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Speaker 3: all the good things. They can get, all the promises,

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Speaker 3: and maybe we need to switch the primary thing that

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Speaker 3: we're voting for to competence, Like do we think that

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Speaker 3: this person can actually run a private business and if so,

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Speaker 3: maybe they deserve a seed around the council are going.

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Speaker 12: To deliver, deliver solutions that's what you want, not some

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Speaker 12: what you like or think is quite a cool or

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Speaker 12: they like cycle ways, But deliver some actually solutions that

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Speaker 12: will work. Not spend two and a half million on

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Speaker 12: inputs like the toilet they built two and a half million,

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Speaker 12: but not enough two and a half million on the

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Speaker 12: pipe to take the shit somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: I mean, aren't we actually like as rate pays. And

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Speaker 3: I'm saying I'm taking it from you guys in Wellington,

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Speaker 3: but extrapolating it to the whole country. Aren't we actually

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Speaker 3: getting exactly what we deserve because we keep voting for numpties.

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Speaker 22: Well, I mean, I still think there's a problem with

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Speaker 22: the whole system. Because if you know you've got you know,

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Speaker 22: these situation I mean you look at Queen'stown. You can't

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Speaker 22: have a rate to base that size trying to sort

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Speaker 22: of run all the things, a lot of the stuff

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Speaker 22: that needs to be done, and I mean, who is

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Speaker 22: going to pick up the tab for this? You know,

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Speaker 22: councils and Morris should be more familiar. I mean councils,

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Speaker 22: they just need to change the whole funding model.

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Speaker 9: It does not work, you.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, because saints. So then you're just giving idiots

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Speaker 3: around the council table more money. I know it's going

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Speaker 3: to blow it on stupid stuff like in the cargo,

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Speaker 3: which by the way, brings me to it saying, O

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Speaker 3: thoughts on in the cargo spending two million dollars on

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Speaker 3: o'clock tower, Go.

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Speaker 22: On, why the bloody health clock tower? This was sort

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Speaker 22: of that sort of you know, provincial vanities, you know,

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Speaker 22: every town and they had a purpose.

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Speaker 9: In those days because not everyone could afford a watch.

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Speaker 22: There was no cell phones, you know, and it was

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Speaker 22: it was a point of center point for these towns.

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Speaker 11: There's absolutely no need for.

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Speaker 22: The cargo to spend two million on something it's as

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Speaker 22: thick to be obsolete.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree, Morris. I want to hear what you've

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Speaker 3: got to say. I'm sure you've got things to say

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Speaker 3: about that. We'll get it after the break. Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

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Speaker 1: only truly global brand.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with a huddle, Morris Williams and Mark Sainsbury.

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Speaker 3: Go on, Morris, what do you think of the clock

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Speaker 3: Tower spend.

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Speaker 12: Well I can hardly disagree with anything Mark said. It

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Speaker 12: was fantastic and literally, if I'm going to bag Wellington

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Speaker 12: for two and a half million on a toilet block,

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Speaker 12: then I should be bagging in v cargo for two

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Speaker 12: million and o'clock. For god's sake, everyone's got bloody watches

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Speaker 12: on themselves now.

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Speaker 3: Though I know it's ridiculous, but does this not, Morris,

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Speaker 3: does this lot go to the heart of the problem

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Speaker 3: that we have with councils, which is the saying so

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Speaker 3: I was saying, oh, look, they just need more money,

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Speaker 3: but actually if they had, even with little money, they're

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Speaker 3: making terrible spending decisions. So more money doesn't fix the problem,

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Speaker 3: does it.

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 12: No, it doesn't. And if you look at Auckland Council.

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Speaker 12: We almost weekly get stories of a set of stears

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Speaker 12: up on the north shore, down on the waterfront with

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Speaker 12: eight hundred thousand dollars to build or something, and they

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Speaker 12: it's just there are sums of money that everyone looks

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Speaker 12: at and just their heads spin at it.

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Speaker 9: So no, more money's not the solution.

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Speaker 3: But hold on, did you want to talk about rates

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Speaker 3: caps because you guys voted about this on this the

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Speaker 3: other day, didn't.

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Speaker 12: You, Morris, Yes, indeed, And I was just gobsmack. We

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Speaker 12: ended up with only six of us voting to support

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Speaker 12: a rates cap. And then I heard a whole lot

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Speaker 12: of councilors around the table who come from really very

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Speaker 12: very socioeconomic depressed body parts of wards around the city,

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Speaker 12: and they said how difficult it was for their voters

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Speaker 12: to even put food on the table at alone pay

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Speaker 12: their rates bill. And I thought, good, this is going

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Speaker 12: the right way. And then they all voted for opposing

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Speaker 12: the rates.

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Speaker 22: Capavid doesn't believe rate the rates cap effect.

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Speaker 9: They're credit rating aren't Moody's and Si.

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Speaker 12: No, no, that's one of the big rumors out there

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Speaker 12: that rates cap indeed will start to make us have

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Speaker 12: to cut our cloth accordingly and actually just stop spending

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Speaker 12: sums of money on things that just can't be justified,

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Speaker 12: faintly taking local government back to its core role and functions.

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Speaker 12: Because there's so many people that keep coming up with

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Speaker 12: new ideas about we should be into this and we should.

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Speaker 9: Be doing that.

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Speaker 12: I keep thinking, no, no, no, The bloody rate payers

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Speaker 12: pay their rates to us for one reason, and that's

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Speaker 12: delivering sort of foot paths and roads and sewerage and

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Speaker 12: a whole lot of the parks and some one which

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Speaker 12: are central to what it is. And stay at it.

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Speaker 12: Everything that's not our core role and function.

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Speaker 3: Well said now saying, so listen, do you think that

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Speaker 3: we owe the conspiracy theorists a bit of gratitude for

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Speaker 3: pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing until

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Speaker 3: the files come out and then we see all the

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Speaker 3: dirty stuff that's been.

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Speaker 9: Going on, the gift that keeps on giving.

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Speaker 12: I mean, it's and you're not going to no matter

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Speaker 12: what happens, the conspiracy theorist will still carry on if

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Speaker 12: no evidence comes out.

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Speaker 22: It's pure proof that it wasn't there. But it does

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Speaker 22: just show how shebby the thing. I was absolutely stunned

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Speaker 22: by was old Lord Mandelssohn and effectively flogging off.

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Speaker 9: You imagine that march. If you were flecking off cabinet

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Speaker 9: notes and stuff, some investment that made you know you

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Speaker 9: would be drummed out more than drummed out.

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Speaker 7: But he got.

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Speaker 12: But instead of that, he gets appointed to be the

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Speaker 12: ambassador of the United States, dropping Mandlsson. I mean it

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Speaker 12: was bad enough for them to have photos of him

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Speaker 12: standing out of his unders and so on. I don't

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Speaker 12: all of that's salacios stuff I really don't care about.

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Speaker 12: And the bill gates whether he got the clap or not.

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Speaker 12: But when you've got somebody who's a really senior, a

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Speaker 12: lord of the House of Lords, getting budget announcements, and

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Speaker 12: even when his boss was going to resign as Prime Minister,

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Speaker 12: he got that information nine hours in advance and got

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Speaker 12: it to his mates. Now that's big market changes. You'll

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Speaker 12: see a price change in the market when Gordon Brown

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Speaker 12: announces I'm stepping down as Prime Minister. That stuff's got

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Speaker 12: to be kept under wraps until the very second it's done,

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Speaker 12: or you can really go in and buy short on

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Speaker 12: a particular item and then sell long when you're ready.

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Speaker 12: It was just appalling what Mendelssohn got up to. I

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Speaker 12: wonder he's had to resign from the House of Lord's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank the conspiracy theorist for getting it out there.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you saints about why Tonguey Day

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Speaker 3: this year? Well it's not day yet, but why Tonguey

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Speaker 3: the event this year? Bit math, wasn't it?

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Speaker 9: Well? You know, I mean it's always interesting.

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Speaker 22: I mean I spent years and years trudging up there

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Speaker 22: every year. Marris, you would have done your time as well.

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Speaker 22: I mean the highlight, of course was gone. It's getting

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Speaker 22: pelted with mud, but I don't mean a highlight, and.

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Speaker 9: That's unfortunately to happen. But he's just you know, sometimes

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Speaker 9: you just can't believe what's going on.

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Speaker 12: They don't think of flying, they don't think they're flying

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Speaker 12: sex toy out. I blocked that out of my consciousness.

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Speaker 3: We'll remember it very clearly. Now, what do you reckon, Morris?

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Speaker 3: It was a bit of a bit of a bit

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Speaker 3: of a.

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Speaker 9: I think it's sad.

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Speaker 12: One of the things I've been lucky enough to do

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Speaker 12: for many many years is my wife and I've often

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Speaker 12: gone to Melbourne for the tennis and when you're there

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Speaker 12: at Melbourne, they have Australia Days is I think the

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Speaker 12: twenty sixth of January and that's during the Australian Tennis

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Speaker 12: and they really do celebrate their nation. It's incredible. They

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Speaker 12: have overflying planes with colored vapor trails and balloons and

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Speaker 12: people singing in the streets and it's real happy. And

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Speaker 12: then we have our national Day of Celebration and it's

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Speaker 12: just a big bitch session and screaming and yelling and

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Speaker 12: and it's just it's just should stop. And I would

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Speaker 12: have preferred that some of our politicians said, look, until

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Speaker 12: we can find a way of going to y Kany

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Speaker 12: to celebrate our history, we're not going to keep going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know there is always hope. We've still

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Speaker 3: got tomorrow, can get the planes out. Morris. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if any counsels have got any money to spoiler,

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Speaker 3: you know, to spend on that. Probably not, so we'll

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Speaker 3: cancel the plane show, Morris Williamson, Mark says brow huddle.

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Speaker 3: This evening haight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper se Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 3: Here the day of the scotsman. Here I identify as

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Speaker 3: a conspiracy theorist. My pronouns are told you so good

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Speaker 3: good from you, Dave. I like that. Hey, listen, I

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Speaker 3: almost forgot to tell you this is this was the

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Speaker 3: absolute highlight of the day for me today. I took

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Speaker 3: the baby for all, went to the supermarket. Guess what

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Speaker 3: they're doing again. This is Woolworth's. Woolworths is doing the

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Speaker 3: bricks again. Now why I am thrilled about I am

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Speaker 3: thrilled about this. This is you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: This is the lego thing. Get the little lego men

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Speaker 3: from the and they're always cheap. They're like the cheap

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Speaker 3: lego men. They don't have bendy legs. But you know

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Speaker 3: what biggest campe chooses. I'm just gonna take what they've got,

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Speaker 3: you know, like if you're just gonna have the leagus

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Speaker 3: that just like little little hobbity legs that you shove

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Speaker 3: on the bottom of the lego man's body. Whatever. I

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Speaker 3: don't care anyway. So why I'm stoked about this is

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Speaker 3: because if you listen to the show and the regular

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Speaker 3: you know I have bitched and moaned, have I not?

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Speaker 3: About the free give aways and especially the ones New World,

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Speaker 3: because they keep running out of the good stuff, like

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Speaker 3: the knives when you just got all your stickers and

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Speaker 3: you go in and they none of them in the

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Speaker 3: whole country. And then the reason I've been bitching at

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Speaker 3: at Woolworths is because they've been giving stink things away,

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Speaker 3: like little cardboard things you're supposed to make minecraft squares

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01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 3: out of. Like who cares about that? Nobody at all

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Speaker 3: on the face of this country anyway, So I am,

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Speaker 3: and they have had a run of bad things. So

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Speaker 3: you know, if you prepare to hand out a brick

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Speaker 3: back for the stink things, you have to give a

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Speaker 3: bouquet when they actually come to the party. And they

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Speaker 3: have come to the party on this one, I love

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Speaker 3: the Lego. Everybody loves Lego. Lego is a global phenomenon,

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Speaker 3: so we're all gonna go.

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Speaker 4: That so for this.

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Speaker 3: But there's But what is weird about it is that

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Speaker 3: when I walked in and looked at it, I was like,

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Speaker 3: how did does it? How did no one's announced this?

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Speaker 3: And I just googled it. I was like, Woolworths bricks.

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Speaker 3: There is there appears to be hardly any publicity whatsoever

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Speaker 3: about the fact that Wilworth's is running out this awesome

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Speaker 3: giveaway promotion thing. I suspect that what's happened is that

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Speaker 3: we have been so mean to them about their stink

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Speaker 3: giveaways that now they're not even sure if they should

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Speaker 3: tell us about their good giveaways. They're just like, just

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Speaker 3: don't worry about it, just run.

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Speaker 20: Half hard launching. Yeah, hey, I quite soft launched. I

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Speaker 20: quite enjoyed the minecraft qbs. I mean, I've still got mine.

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Speaker 20: I'm honestly, I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: No lame.

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Speaker 3: He has got a collection. It's like like the Great

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Speaker 3: wallock Shite Great Wall of China. Anyway, listen, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to claim the credit for this, but I did

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Speaker 3: go to a meeting with the Woolworth's New Zealand boss

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Speaker 3: last year. I had a coffee and top of my

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Speaker 3: agenda I had a list of things. On top of

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Speaker 3: my agenda was improve your giveaways and lock. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 3: is it a coincidence or you know? Anyway, on the

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Speaker 3: peaches dumping from China, they weren't imagining it. What he

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Speaker 3: wasn't making up China was dumping teaches here. Scottsmson, the

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Speaker 3: Minister next News took ZBO.

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Speaker 1: What's up, what's down? What were the major calls and

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Speaker 1: how will it affect the economy? The big business questions.

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Speaker 1: On the Business Hour we had the duplicy Allen and

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Speaker 1: Mass Insurance and investments, your futures hid good hands used?

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Speaker 3: DOORGSB even in coming up in the next hour, Jamie

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01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: McKay is going to give us an overview of the

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Speaker 3: milk market. Sam Dickie's going to explain what on earth

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01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 3: happened to the price of gold last weekend and silver

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Speaker 3: as well, And then we'll go the UK with Ender

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Speaker 3: Brady and just get the latest on the unfolding drama

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Speaker 3: that is Peter Mandelsson right now at seven past six.

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Speaker 3: Now do you remember last year when what he said

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Speaker 3: that it had to cancel those contracts with the peace

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Speaker 3: Each growers in Hawks Bay because of foreign dumping. It

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Speaker 3: then accused Chinese companies of dumping their product in the

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Speaker 3: market and harming our industry. Well, it turns out what

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Speaker 3: he's was right. The government has done a little investigation

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Speaker 3: found Chinese fruit company j Andng International had been dumping

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Speaker 3: products in the market and causing material damage to the industry.

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Speaker 3: Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs Scott Simpson is with

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Speaker 3: US High Scott Hi here that do how significant was

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Speaker 3: the damage that was caused?

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Speaker 17: Well, the actual significance has yet to be finally determined.

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Speaker 17: So the first step has been taken. Heinds what he

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Speaker 17: made a complaint about dumping of Chinese imported peaches. MB

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Speaker 17: officials start a prescribed investigation and all this stuff is

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Speaker 17: prescribed in statute, so there is a process involved. They

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Speaker 17: go through that and then they prepare for me a

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Speaker 17: preliminary finding, a provisional finding that there was dumping from

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Speaker 17: just one Chinese importer. And I hasten to add that

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Speaker 17: it's not all Chinese peaches. It's not all imported peaches

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Speaker 17: as well. You know, we import peaches from many countries

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Speaker 17: around the world. So in this one case, there has

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Speaker 17: been a provisional finding that this company J and G

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Speaker 17: have dumped product into the New Zealand marketplace. And now

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Speaker 17: what happens after the provisional findings we made mbigo away

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Speaker 17: do some more detail work, find out whether there has

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Speaker 17: been material harm, whether there's a public interest test has

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Speaker 17: been applied, and then a final decisions made in a

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Speaker 17: couple of months time, and final decision on what on

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Speaker 17: whether to impose a duty and extra duty on peaches

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Speaker 17: that are imported by this J and G company. So

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Speaker 17: that's how we would put to write the price differential.

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Speaker 17: So effectively you're charging them at the border a percentage

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Speaker 17: extra to make their product competitive in a way that's

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Speaker 17: not dumped.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So but this is this would be presumable imports

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Speaker 3: from that point on worth, it's onwards. It's not retrospective, right,

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Speaker 3: whatever damage they've already done goes kind of I suppose unpunished.

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Speaker 17: Oh well, yes, indeed. But you can be assured that

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Speaker 17: businesses like Hineswadi are very good at spotting behavior of

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Speaker 17: the sort. It's not completely uncommon. We get probably one

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Speaker 17: or two a year cases of dumping of product or

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Speaker 17: not just peatures, a whole range of stuff. So there

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Speaker 17: is a process. It is a prescribed thing and MB

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Speaker 17: officials work their way through it, as do I as minister.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you know how long it had been going

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Speaker 3: on for? When did it start?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Well, there've been problem with peatures for some years. There

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Speaker 17: was a previous case I think back in about twenty

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Speaker 17: fifteen twenty sixteen, a case of dumping was found with

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Speaker 17: peaches that got remedied. But again it's a matter of

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Speaker 17: being constantly alert, constantly vigilant because of course reasonably large

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Speaker 17: volumes of imported peaches coming into the country every year

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Speaker 17: and price fluctuate. They go up, they go down, some

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Speaker 17: traders disappear, new entrants arrive, So it's a matter of

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Speaker 17: being constantly alert and constantly vi jil.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, because I'm looking at a graph that

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Speaker 3: newsroom dot co dot z has published and published and

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Speaker 3: it looks like the dumping might have started. Oh I

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Speaker 3: don't want to lie, but I mean it might have

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01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 3: even been Q four of twenty twenty three when it

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Speaker 3: started taking off. So it's been going on for a while.

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Speaker 3: So our system whereby we wait for a complaint and

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Speaker 3: then we do an investigation and then we think about

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Speaker 3: applying some duties and stuff. It's quite clunky, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Like it takes a long time to remedy something.

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Speaker 17: Like this, longer than many people would want. But there

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Speaker 17: does need to be pretty careful and thorough investigation done,

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Speaker 17: and sometimes that involves getting a lot of data from overseas.

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Speaker 17: You know, it's relatively easy to make an allegation of dumping,

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Speaker 17: but checking it out. Finding the detail and actually getting

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Speaker 17: to the bottom of it can take a bit of time,

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Speaker 17: so I'd rather we did it properly and carefully than

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Speaker 17: made a mistake.

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen, all roads open to Corimandal this holiday weekend.

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Speaker 17: Everything good, oh hither, I'm so pleased you ask you

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Speaker 17: absolutely to all the listeners Corimandler's open. Roads are open,

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Speaker 17: and the good people are Coramandal and the businesses. We're

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Speaker 17: welcoming with open arms all and everybody that wants to

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Speaker 17: come and spend a fantastic White Tonguey weekend in the

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Speaker 17: beautiful Coramandal good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you very much, Scott really appreciate a Minister

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Speaker 3: of Commerce and Consumer Affairs. Got Simson suss twelf pass

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Speaker 3: Sex together do for ze Ellens as always. Audrey Young's

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Speaker 3: newsletter in the Herald on Herald dot cot on Zeta's

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Speaker 3: fascinating and she's pointed out something that's really interesting from

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Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins at White Tonguey today, which is that he

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Speaker 3: has already signaled from today that if he was to

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Speaker 3: win this year's upcoming election, he will not be unwinding

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Speaker 3: everything this current government has done race relations wise. He

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Speaker 3: says we are not going to spend the next three

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Speaker 3: years undoing everything that was done over the last three years,

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Speaker 3: so we will be prioritizing the things that we will change.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean reversing everything we oppose. Now he's talking

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Speaker 3: about everything the coalition government's done, right, But if you're

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Speaker 3: standing there talking to EE leaders and this is what

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Speaker 3: you say to EE leaders, then what he is telling

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Speaker 3: EWIE leaders is when we reverse all the things that

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Speaker 3: we don't like that the coalition government has done, yr

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Speaker 3: race relations is going to be some of the things

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Speaker 3: we just leave exactly how it is. Basically, as as

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Speaker 3: Audrey says, he's telling EWE leaders to lower their expectations.

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Speaker 3: And also what he's doing is he's acknowledging that part

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Speaker 3: of the reason that the Coalition government has been able

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Speaker 3: to unwind a lot of the crazy race relations stuff

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Speaker 3: that Jasinda Adirne's government did was because Jasinda Adirn and

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Speaker 3: Nanayam Ahuta went too far. They basically went so far

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Speaker 3: down their path of partnership and special treatment and special

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Speaker 3: special rights and stuff. They went so far that it

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Speaker 3: drove everyone else who was watching it and did not

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Speaker 3: believe it was the right thing to do nutty to

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Speaker 3: the point where it gave the coalition government the ability

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Speaker 3: to unwind it. So anyway, if you were worried about that,

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Speaker 3: and if this is an important thing to you, I

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Speaker 3: think you will take some heart from the fact that

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Speaker 3: he's already signaled a lot of it is just going

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Speaker 3: to be left the way that it is fourteen past six.

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments. Your futures in good hands, us talks EDB,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 3: Sam Dicky remember is going to be with us in

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Speaker 3: twenty minutes time. Talk us through what happened to the

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Speaker 3: price of gold? Right now at is sixteen past six and.

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Speaker 1: The Rural Report on Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.

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Speaker 3: Jamie mckaie is the host of the Country and with us.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Janie good a cousin Heather.

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Speaker 1: How are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thanks mate? How are we shaping up for the peak

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Speaker 3: season and the meat market?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: God, all this rain around the country, even though it's

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Speaker 2: caused a lot of damage in places like the East

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Speaker 2: Coast and Northland, But what it's done for a lot

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Speaker 2: of the country, especially the North Island, has proved to

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Speaker 2: provided a very good grass growing season. Now the issue

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Speaker 2: with that is from the meat company's point of view.

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Speaker 2: Normally this is kind of peak processing time for the

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Speaker 2: meat industry February March April, when the lambs and the cattle,

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Speaker 2: especially the lambs.

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Speaker 9: Go to the works.

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Speaker 2: But the farmers are hanging on because they've got plenty

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Speaker 2: of grass. They're just trying to put more kilos on

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Speaker 2: their lambs. And why wouldn't you For lamb's worth eleven

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Speaker 2: dollars a kilo, If you can do that in a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks, why wouldn't you hang on and get

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Speaker 2: another eleven dollars. So the problem is the stock's not

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Speaker 2: coming forward to the meat works. The prices are really good.

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Speaker 2: The prices are really strong for store stock. This is

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Speaker 2: the stuff you buy off another farmer to fatten and

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Speaker 2: then send to the works. You know, Like that's twenty

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Speaker 2: five to fifty dollars ahead higher than last year for

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Speaker 2: store lambs. As I said, prime lamb is worth nearly

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Speaker 2: eleven dollars a kilogram to a farmer when he sends

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Speaker 2: it he or she sends it to the works. Two

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Speaker 2: years ago, those same lambs were only worth six dollars

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Speaker 2: a kerelow. The other one is the casts for age us.

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Speaker 2: This is the old ewes heather. Often farmers will ditch

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Speaker 2: their old ewes that might have one more year left

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Speaker 2: in them, and another farmer will pick them up, farm

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Speaker 2: them for a year, get a lamb out of them,

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Speaker 2: and then send them off to the works. But the

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Speaker 2: demand is so high for mutton at the moment that

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Speaker 2: the freezing works or the meat companies are picking off

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Speaker 2: those ewes and the farmers can't compete for them. Once again,

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Speaker 2: the price for mutton. If you love a good mutton pie,

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Speaker 2: six dollars fifty your kilogram big thirty kilogram plus you,

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Speaker 2: there's two hundred bucks for your you as well as

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Speaker 2: your lamb. And the other one is of course store

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Speaker 2: cattle or kit the cattle full stop prime stairs seven

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Speaker 2: dollars a kilogram a year ago, they're up to nearly

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Speaker 2: ten dollars or nine dollars fifty. So look, there's lots

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Speaker 2: of grass out there, but some of the processes are

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Speaker 2: warning the softening a webit coming in the lamb market.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing you need to keep an eye on,

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Speaker 2: heather the exchange rate. It's strengthened against the US dollar

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Speaker 2: above sixty US cents now, so obviously that makes returns

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Speaker 2: a little less.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the milk market.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I was worried, to be perfectly honestly,

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Speaker 2: that we spoke on Tuesday, and the indications were that

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Speaker 2: we might get a two percent lift, which would have

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Speaker 2: been great, third lift in a row. On Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 2: our time, when we eventually did get our GDT auction results,

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Speaker 2: there was a glitch in the in the computer system.

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Speaker 2: It was way above that six point seven percent a

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Speaker 2: whole milk powder the most important one up five point

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Speaker 2: three percent skim milk powder, which is really driving a

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Speaker 2: lot of us. Second most important ingredient are ten point

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Speaker 2: six percent. Look at at the moment off the back

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Speaker 2: of those nine falls in a row towards or to

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Speaker 2: round out twenty twenty five, Fonterra had dropped its midpoint

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Speaker 2: to nine dollars.

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Speaker 9: A kere low.

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Speaker 2: Open Country Dairy, second biggest dairy company in the country's

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Speaker 2: got a weighted average at the moment of about nine

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Speaker 2: dollars thirty now. Mike McIntyre at Jardin who I Use

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Speaker 2: says there's absolutely room now for the milk price to

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Speaker 2: lift back up, with the market already looking a lot

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Speaker 2: smoother than it did six weeks ago, which begs the

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Speaker 2: question which I threw at Fonterra on yesterday's show. Didn't

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Speaker 2: really get an answer, Heather, but it's ten bucks back

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Speaker 2: on the table, hope.

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Speaker 3: So hey, thank you as always, Jamie, enjoy your long weekend.

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Speaker 3: That's Jamie McKay, host of the Country Now Bunnings. Bunnings

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Speaker 3: has just won a significant legal battle over the facial

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Speaker 3: recognition technology that it uses in Australia, which is important

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Speaker 3: for us because our own supermarkets and other retailers here

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Speaker 3: want to be able to use it as well. In Ozzie,

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Speaker 3: they've been doing it for a few years. I think

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Speaker 3: it might have been twenty eighteen to twenty one or

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Speaker 3: something like that, but then they got in trouble for

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Speaker 3: using the CCTV on the customers from their version of

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Speaker 3: the Privacy Commissioner and the Privacy their version of the

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Speaker 3: Privacy Commissioner ruled that bunning had breached the privacy of

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Speaker 3: all of these customers by trialing the technology without basically

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Speaker 3: telling them. Now, another body altogether, which is the Administrative

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Speaker 3: Review Tribunal, found that Bunning's actually doesn't have to ask

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Speaker 3: customers for consent to be filmed in the stores if

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Speaker 3: the reason that they're filming is for the specific purpose

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Speaker 3: of combating retail crime and protecting staff and customers from

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Speaker 3: violence and intimidation, which is clearly what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 3: So they have at this stage at least got the

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Speaker 3: all clear to carry it on, which will be I imagine,

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Speaker 3: be greeted with some relief by retailers over here. Most

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Speaker 3: of us, I think would agree with this. Let's see

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Speaker 3: where it goes twenty two past six.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, all on

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Speaker 1: the business hour with the DUP cur and MAS insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments, your futures in good hands, news talks envy.

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Speaker 3: Now I was singing the praises obviously of the conspiracy

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Speaker 3: theorists earlier for getting us the Epstein files because we

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Speaker 3: could see how mucky this business is with labor and

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Speaker 3: Keir Starmer. And actually there's a question in Peter Manderson

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Speaker 3: when enders with us shortly, I'd love to know because

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Speaker 3: it's Kierstarmer boy, oh boy. I mean, that guy was

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Speaker 3: already in a lot of trouble and I think we

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Speaker 3: could all say is probably going to end well, probably

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Speaker 3: going to end up being a one termer if he

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Speaker 3: even makes it to the end of the term. But

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Speaker 3: surely the Mandalsoon thing has made it worse. But how

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Speaker 3: much worse, I don't know. We'll talk to Ender when

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Speaker 3: he's with us, But there is some some of the

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Speaker 3: Epstein's stuff is just a kind and I think one

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Speaker 3: of the lads in the Huartle had kind of hinted

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Speaker 3: at this before. It's just sort of we're just being

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Speaker 3: moralistic about it. Like for example, Casey Wassaman, who's the

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Speaker 3: chair of the Olympics Committee for LA getting it ready

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01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty eight, there is pressure on him now

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Speaker 3: to step down from that role because there are emails

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Speaker 3: that have surfaced between him and Gilain Maxwell as in

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Speaker 3: Epstein's Weird Girlfriend. The emails are really old, like they

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Speaker 3: date back to two thousand and three, right, so they're

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Speaker 3: more than twenty years old and just flirty. Wassaman, one

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Speaker 3: of the emails, probably the luckiest email. Wassaman tells Gallaine Max, Well,

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Speaker 3: I think of you all the time, So what do

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Speaker 3: I have to do to see you in a tight

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01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 3: leather outfit? Kind of funny because imagine if you sent

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01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,520
Speaker 3: that to somebody and it gets that's embarrassing. It's really embarrassing.

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01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 3: But that's all it is. It's just embarrassing, Like you

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Speaker 3: don't want to see somebody flirting. Eh, gross, you don't

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01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 3: want to see that kind of stuff. But does he

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Speaker 3: now need to lose his job about that? I mean, sure,

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Speaker 3: it's undermining his author It will absolutely undermine his authority,

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01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 3: absolutely will. It will not be great for LA twenty eight,

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01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 3: But it's also not that big a deal like Wow, shock, horror,

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01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 3: man flirts with woman. You know, it's not that big

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01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 3: a deal that he needs to lose his job over

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01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 3: I would have thought six twenty six.

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Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

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Speaker 3: So, as I tell you, the Super Bowl is coming up,

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Speaker 3: and the website dedicated to showcasing these ads has now

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01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 3: been updated with the latest batch. One that is already

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Speaker 3: going viral is the Pringles ad featuring Sabrina Carpenter, in

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Speaker 3: which she has a new boyfriend Pringalio, which is a

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Speaker 3: boyfriend that she built for herself out of Springles.

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Speaker 1: I'm so tired of boys.

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01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 3: I need a man be.

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Speaker 6: Dangle Leo.

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Speaker 3: Now already people are saying, oh, this looks a lot

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01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 3: like her music video for Manchild. That is intentional, that

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Speaker 3: is deliberate. Ben at Fleck is back in the Dunkin

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01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 3: Donuts ad. He's done it for four years now. This

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Speaker 3: is the fourth year. This time he shows a VHS

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Speaker 3: tape labeled Network Pilot ninety five as a ninety ninety

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Speaker 3: five version three to other stars Jennifer Anison and Matt LeBlanc,

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Speaker 3: and he's making a real effort to connect with the

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Speaker 3: younger audience.

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Speaker 1: Jan Matt, I got a pitch for you. What's all?

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Speaker 11: This is new?

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01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 1: What's cringe as good? What's up is down?

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Speaker 4: We're sitting on a gold mine six.

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Speaker 3: Seven Yeah, And people say it is just unbelievably cringey,

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01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 3: like if your dad tried to say that to you.

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Speaker 3: And then there is the Jurassic Park ripoffs starring Laura Dern,

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Speaker 3: Sam Neil, and Jeff Goblum, who were all obviously in

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Speaker 3: the original Jurassic Park. The base plot plot is that

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01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 3: the park loses its online connection, the fencer start to fail,

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Speaker 3: the Dinos are going to get out, but thanks to Exfinity,

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Speaker 3: the park quickly gets back up and running.

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Speaker 1: And can't get Jurassic Park back on the lane. This

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Speaker 1: place is awesome. By the way, you should have pluged this.

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Speaker 3: In now if you want to go see all of

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01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 3: the ads. Remember they're all going to run during the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl, but they are all available online already. And

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Speaker 3: if you know one thing about the Super Bowl is

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Speaker 3: that the ads are almost as big a deal. So

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Speaker 3: it is worth going and spending an evening. Don't got

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01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 3: work tomorrow, so you can just pull yourself a nice little,

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01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: nice little wine, maybe a little side Gin and Tonic,

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Speaker 3: a little busy little bubbs whatever in to pull one

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Speaker 3: of those, sit back and just watch ad after ad

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Speaker 3: after ad after ad. Ads can still be fantastic.

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Speaker 1: News is next, everything from SMEs to the Big Brits,

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Speaker 1: the Business Hour with the Heather Duplessy Allen and Mass

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, your futures in good hands, used talks,

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Speaker 1: I'd be.

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Speaker 2: Right, just put us out of.

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01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 3: The UK and ten minutes time talk about I'll tell

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01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 3: you what I mean, talk about stuffing up an announcement.

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01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 3: This is the announcement of Penny Henade quitting and the

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01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: way that Chippy stuffed it up. Chippy was still being

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01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 3: asked today about it, and he was still adamant. There

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01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 3: was no friction between the pair, saying it was Peney's decision,

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Speaker 3: which I think we can all say pretty much no

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Speaker 3: one believes a anyway. It's a lesson in if the

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01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 3: bargo is broken and people already know, don't pretend they

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01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 3: don't know, and just pivot to answering the questions instead

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01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 3: of being weird about it. It's basically Hepkins's fault that

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Speaker 3: it's ended up like this. Twenty four away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy allen so Gold had.

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Speaker 3: Five six hundred dollars in January and silver almost doubled

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Speaker 3: in price in a month, and then they crashed twenty

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Speaker 3: to forty percent practically overnight last weekend. Monitoring all of

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Speaker 3: this for US is Sam Dicky from Fisher Funds. Hi, Sam, Hey,

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Speaker 3: you either what's going on here? Is this just panic

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Speaker 3: or is there a fundamental reason for this incredible volatility

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Speaker 3: in the precious metals.

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Speaker 24: It is crazy volatility for precious metals, and they are

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Speaker 24: historically a pretty sleepy set class. So for context, silver

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Speaker 24: is trading ten times more volatile than it normally does,

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Speaker 24: so the price is winging around ten times or one

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Speaker 24: thousand percent more than it usually does, so not normal,

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Speaker 24: and that's actually more akin to sort of crazy speculai

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Speaker 24: of assets like bitcoin. So there were fundamental drivers initially,

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Speaker 24: as they're often are, so you and I talked about

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Speaker 24: this in November last year. There are sort of three

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Speaker 24: fundamental investment cases for gold, and to a lesser extent

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Speaker 24: than the other precious metals. One they're a safe haven hedge,

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Speaker 24: so they do well when stock markets crash, and gold

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Speaker 24: really started to rally into and around that extreme volatility

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Speaker 24: we saw in stock markets at April last year when

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Speaker 24: we saw that sharp correction. The second thing is they

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Speaker 24: are an inflation hedge. And the third thing is they

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Speaker 24: are a hedge against the US generally and in particular

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Speaker 24: a weaker US dollar. As investors move away from USS

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Speaker 24: it's like bonds because they're worried about government debt level.

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Speaker 24: So three fundamental reasons, but more recently it's really switched

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Speaker 24: to kind of greedy fomo and speculative panic and then

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Speaker 24: on the weekend the bubble was pricked by two things.

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Speaker 24: So Kevin Walsh was nominated as the FED chair. He

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Speaker 24: is viewed as a bit more hawkish, so he's more

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Speaker 24: likely to lift interest rate strengths of the US dollar

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Speaker 24: and buy implication precious metals that are priced and US

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Speaker 24: dollars become more expensive and more. Simply, the CEME exchange

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Speaker 24: that hosts the trading of these precious medals hyke the

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Speaker 24: amount that speculators had to pay to put down as collateral.

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Speaker 1: So silver fell.

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Speaker 24: Forty and forty eight hours and gold fell twenty one percent.

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Speaker 24: So fundamentals move to kind of fomo greed and then panic.

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Speaker 3: So they're not the only metals though that have had

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Speaker 3: a crazy ride. I mean platinum for example.

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Speaker 24: What's going on here, Yeah, the four sort of official

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Speaker 24: precious metals are gold, silver, platinum, and palladium, and the

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Speaker 24: other three precious metals really trade is kind of like

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Speaker 24: the slower moving porer cousins of gold until they din't

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Speaker 24: until they really start moving late in the cycle, and

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Speaker 24: they become the extremely erratic, volatile cousins of gold. So

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Speaker 24: you look back over thirty years, gold usually starts to rally,

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Speaker 24: and those other three, platinum and pladium do have those

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Speaker 24: three investment cases to a lesser extent. But what's different

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Speaker 24: to gold those other three is they actually have some

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Speaker 24: industrial uses. So silver is used in solar panels and

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Speaker 24: electric vehicles, platinum is used for converting dirty diesel fumes

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Speaker 24: into less toxic fumes. And for platinum and silver in particular,

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Speaker 24: there has been not enough supply around, not enough mining

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Speaker 24: of this metal to supply into those industrial use cases.

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Speaker 24: And then that was all supercharged by being the slower moving,

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Speaker 24: poorer cousin of gold that had to catch up rally,

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Speaker 24: so we sort of had the perfect storm for platinum

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Speaker 24: and palladium as well.

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Speaker 3: What do you think this all means for investors?

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Speaker 24: Then, despite having those three primary investment cases, all four

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Speaker 24: of those metals, it is extremely harder and possible to

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Speaker 24: value precious metals and especially gold. There's no industrial use

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Speaker 24: case whatsoever in normal terms. So if you think about

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Speaker 24: a share, for example, they generate earnings and cash flow

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Speaker 24: and dividends for the investor, and you can discount those

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Speaker 24: cash flows back to today and say what a shares

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Speaker 24: worth or what the intrinsic value is. We're just guessing

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Speaker 24: what the intrinsic value is of these metals. So I

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Speaker 24: guess the message to investors is there is a place

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Speaker 24: for gold in particular any diversified portfolio, but always be

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Speaker 24: careful when an asset that's impossible to value moves from

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Speaker 24: a fundamentally driven rally to a speculative frenzy.

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Speaker 3: Interesting has Sam has always really appreciated talking to you, mate,

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Speaker 3: look after yourself, Sam Dickeye offic funds right now, nineteen

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Speaker 3: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Here the duplicy Allen, This is.

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Speaker 3: A curly one. This is a really curly one. Now

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Speaker 3: this is I find this particularly curly because I went

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Speaker 3: through the IVF journey and so this is a yeah,

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Speaker 3: I can see how this would be tempting for people.

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Speaker 3: So what's been revealed is that in the Australian media

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Speaker 3: that there are some Aussie couples playing a US based

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Speaker 3: company to find out which of the embryos are best right,

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Speaker 3: so that they can choose the embryos that have higher intelligence,

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Speaker 3: better height, specific eye color, that kind of thing. It's

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Speaker 3: not actually allowed in Australia, and it is also not

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Speaker 3: actually allowed in New Zealand, but you can do the

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Speaker 3: IVF here and then you can send your embryos off

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Speaker 3: to the US and a company over there can do

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Speaker 3: it for you, and then they can send it back.

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Speaker 3: And incidentally, actually, if you go through an IVF process

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand, you may fire in fact find that

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Speaker 3: it is just subtly offered to you as like, hey,

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Speaker 3: by the way, you can if you want to, you can,

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Speaker 3: you can do this. It's up to you if you

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Speaker 3: want to do it, and not our rules suggested. You're

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Speaker 3: not really supposed to do it. Anyway. What they do

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Speaker 3: is these It costs about thirty thousand US dollars, so

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Speaker 3: it's a hell of a lot of money, and they

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Speaker 3: will screen twenty of your embryos for two thousand traits

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Speaker 3: and conditions eye color, hair color, risk of acne, left handedness,

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Speaker 3: I mean, why anybody wants to screen that out? But

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Speaker 3: they do, baldness, heart disease, Alzheimer's, autism, anxiety, diabetes, all

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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. The problem with I mean, and

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Speaker 3: so you can see how that would be tempting, because

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Speaker 3: if you're a bit of a psycho and you want

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Speaker 3: to have the perfect child, you will obviously get your

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Speaker 3: embryos ranked for you, and then you can you can

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Speaker 3: start off with the best one and you know, try

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Speaker 3: and try and have an A grade child. The problem

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Speaker 3: with it is quite apart from the moral issue here,

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Speaker 3: which is that it's a little bit eugenicxy you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, just feels a little lonk. It makes

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Speaker 3: you feel uncomfortable like basically selecting for, you know, instead

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Speaker 3: of just taking a bit of a chance as to

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Speaker 3: what comes out. That's a bit weird. But also trouble

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Speaker 3: with it is first of all, DNA, the genes that

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Speaker 3: you might be selecting for, may in fact have unintended consequence.

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Speaker 3: So one gene usually affects multiple traits. So if you're

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Speaker 3: selecting an embryo that's deemed to have more likely you know,

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Speaker 3: be a bit smarter, rechieve a higher level of education,

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Speaker 3: you may actually inadvertently increase the risk of bipolar disorder

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Speaker 3: in your child by sixteen percent. So the risk is

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Speaker 3: that you're going for something kind of a bit benign,

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Speaker 3: like a kid who's a bit smarter, but then you

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Speaker 3: end up with a kid with bipolar. So now you've

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Speaker 3: got a problem on your hands. And and you potentially

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Speaker 3: also though it might not be real DNA, And this

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Speaker 3: to me this would be the thing that would put

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Speaker 3: me off. Most likely, DNA isn't the only thing that

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Speaker 3: governs the people that you become the person that you become, Right,

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Speaker 3: you're going to be affected by your parents' diet and

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Speaker 3: the diet that you have, your home life, the stress

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Speaker 3: in your home life, the exposure to cigarette smoke and

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Speaker 3: pollution and all that kind of stuff. So here your

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Speaker 3: parents are fiddling with your genes. Actually all the other

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Speaker 3: stuff is really to affect you. Having said all of that,

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Speaker 3: already twelve babies have been born after they were analyzed

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Speaker 3: as embryos by just one of these companies in the US.

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Speaker 3: So it is a thing that is I suspect as

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Speaker 3: we become more and more crazy and anxious and helicopter

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Speaker 3: parenty and weird about our children. I think this is

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Speaker 3: a thing that's going to catch on with wealthier families

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Speaker 3: sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The business hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mas insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments, your futures in good hands.

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Speaker 3: US talks'd be Heather cri key with my left handedness,

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Speaker 3: my acne and my anxiety. I absolutely would not have

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Speaker 3: been born and the world would be poorer for that. Friend.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen away from seven and Inder Brady are UK correspondence

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Speaker 3: with us?

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Speaker 1: Now Hello, Enda, Hey, heaven, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So Keir Starmer? How much trouble is he in

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Speaker 3: on this Peter Mandelsson business are huge?

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Speaker 21: This could bring him down, This could bring his government down.

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Speaker 21: He cannot afford to have another day like yesterday. He

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Speaker 21: came across as real weak in Parliament. He's on the

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Speaker 21: ropes his popularity in the public. There's never been a

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Speaker 21: more unpopular British prime minister in recent living memory. And

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Speaker 21: I mean it's a pretty low bar when you're up

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Speaker 21: against Boris Johnson and Liz Truss and Rishie Sunak. He

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Speaker 21: is really on the ropes. Here the significant event yesterday

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Speaker 21: in Parliament Prime Minister's Questions he admitted that in the

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Speaker 21: vetting for Peter Mandelson to become UK Ambassador to America

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Speaker 21: last year, he was warned about Mandalson's friendship with Jeffrey

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Speaker 21: Epstein and proceeded with the appointment anyway. Now, Starmer's version

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01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 21: of events is that Mandleson basically is a snake who

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01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 21: lied to his face repeatedly about that friendship. But what

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Speaker 21: is becoming very very clear now is that Mandelson was

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Speaker 21: in Epstein's inner circle, even had a nickname for him.

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Speaker 21: Epstein used to call him Sneaky Pete and kir Starmer.

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Speaker 21: Now that is really coming home to roost, that the

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Speaker 21: British Prime Minister went ahead and appointed this man to

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Speaker 21: such a big role.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the problem for Staf obviously there's no proof. There's

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Speaker 3: no proof of you know that. I mean, it's entirely plausible,

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Speaker 3: isn't it That Peter Mandelson may well have lied to

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Speaker 3: his face sufficiently for him to feel confident. But the

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Speaker 3: trouble it seems to me is that it feels like

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Speaker 3: Kyostama is constantly being pushed into taking more steps by

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Speaker 3: the revelation instead of kind of getting ahead of it.

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Speaker 21: Yes, very much so. And I think what we're likely

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Speaker 21: to see now, I think internally, and I know this

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Speaker 21: for a fact because someone rang me last night to

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Speaker 21: tell me people inside Labor are on maneuvers they want

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Speaker 21: Starmer out, and I think everyone will coalesce around Angela Rayner. Now,

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01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 21: she had to leave her ministerial position previously over a

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Speaker 21: property purchase that where the tax side of things wasn't

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Speaker 21: exactly transparent. She's back with a vengeance. She spoke quite

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Speaker 21: clearly and coherently in Parliament yesterday and I think you

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Speaker 21: will see a move soon internally for someone I e.

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Speaker 21: Horror to replace Starmer. And this is before we even

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Speaker 21: get to the elections in May, which everyone thought would

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Speaker 21: be his death knell.

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Speaker 3: Anyway. Have they got the numbers though to roll him?

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Speaker 21: Absolutely? Yes, yeah, I think she'll easily get two hundred

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Speaker 21: plus MPs. The next forty eight hours is crucial. I

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Speaker 21: would not want to be his chief of staff today.

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Speaker 21: The Irish guy, Morgan MacSweeney. He's not liked by the

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Speaker 21: left wing of the Labor Party anyway, and I think

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01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 21: if heads roll, it will be deputy heads first. And

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Speaker 21: I think MacSweeney will go if it comes to it.

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Speaker 21: But if he goes that week, he's Starmer's right hand

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Speaker 21: man and against Starmer appointed him. They've been in this

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Speaker 21: together from the outset. But Mandelson, I think he will

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Speaker 21: be sitting back worrying about his own goose being cooked

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Speaker 21: because he has battles of his oncoming.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, the latest business with Andrew is that he

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Speaker 3: and Epstein had an exotic dancer, and they asked for

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Speaker 3: sexual favors and stuff like that. Is I mean, is

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Speaker 3: this starting to cross the line from YEA, sure we

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Speaker 3: should know about this to just a little bit of

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Speaker 3: kind of like it's not legal, it's just gross And

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Speaker 3: how much of us do we actually need to know?

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Speaker 3: Do you think?

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Speaker 21: It's a very good point. But I think as more

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Speaker 21: comes out, whether we like it or not, there's a

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Speaker 21: lot more coming. I mean, I had Andrew Lownie, the

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Speaker 21: royal biographer who wrote that book about Andrew Windsor called entitled.

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Speaker 21: He was on my TV show at Christmas and I said,

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Speaker 21: how much do you think we know? And he said,

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Speaker 21: there's a lot more coming. And I don't think we've

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Speaker 21: even scratched the surface. This week he's writing a second book,

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Speaker 21: by the way, that'll tell you how much more there

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Speaker 21: is coming. And yes it's grubby, it's Andrew. And I

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Speaker 21: think the one person for me that I'm most disappointed

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Speaker 21: out of anyone is the late Queen, his mother, because

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Speaker 21: she protected him. The Americans wanted the FBI wanted Andrew

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Speaker 21: Windsor extradise it. They wanted him on American soil. And

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Speaker 21: here is why he won't go to Congress in person

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Speaker 21: and give evidence because he fears being arrested. That is

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Speaker 21: Andrew Windsor's for what. Well, let's find there's three million

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Speaker 21: documents and I don't think we've seen ten percent of them.

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Speaker 3: Yessh Okay, Well, Enda, theres so much talk to keep

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Speaker 3: an eye out for. Thanks mate. Indo Brady, our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 3: Hither we had IVF just over twenty years ago. We

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Speaker 3: have a son. Everyone is constantly complimenting us about his

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Speaker 3: good looks and his wonderful personality, his intelligence, he's considerate,

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Speaker 3: doesn't suffer from anxiety and as a well rounded guy.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad we weren't offered any extra options like

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Speaker 3: those that you were describing. I know, right like, your

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Speaker 3: kids are going to be wonderful anyway for the most part,

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Speaker 3: because you're wonderful, So you don't need to start screening

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Speaker 3: for weird things like blue eyes and right handedness. Who

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Speaker 3: needs that anyway? Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Too for See allan Drive full show

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Speaker 3: Five away from seven, Listen, I've got to draw your

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Speaker 3: attention to something. There's a cute little report about New

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Speaker 3: Zealand and the UK Guardian today, but not just New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: but specifically about tramps in New Zealand who are going

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Speaker 3: out to back country huts just to clear them up

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Speaker 3: and tidy them for other tramps. Like literally, that's the

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Speaker 3: only reason they Basically what they do is they fill

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Speaker 3: their backpacks with cleaning supplies and then they head out there.

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Speaker 3: It's about three and then they come home. Three hundred

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Speaker 3: trampers do it. It's part of a Lover Huts cleaning

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Speaker 3: campaign which is run by the Federated Mountain Club. As

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Speaker 3: they go into the huts and they they'll wipe down

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Speaker 3: the mattresses and they'll get the rugs out and they'll

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Speaker 3: beat them with the old broom and air the mount

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Speaker 3: and stuff, wipe down the windows, pull out the weeds,

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Speaker 3: do all the stuff. And what I loved about it

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Speaker 3: was the parents who were getting the kids to do it.

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Speaker 3: So there's one mum who took her boys out there.

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Speaker 3: Sounded like it was a four. They said they tramped

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Speaker 3: for four hours. I'm guessing it was four hours in

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Speaker 3: one direction rather than two hours and then two hours,

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Speaker 3: so they must have stayed the night or something boys

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Speaker 3: for five and seven. How impressive is that? Get your

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Speaker 3: five year old tramping, Get your five year old tramping

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Speaker 3: for four hours in one direction to clean some windows.

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Speaker 3: Good we boys as.

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Speaker 20: Chapel roone, good Luck Baby, to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 20: Laneway Festival is happening right now at Western Springs Park

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Speaker 20: in Auckland. Chapelones of the big act. They've got over

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Speaker 20: from America for the Nipple one.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 20: And so she is on the main stage in about

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Speaker 20: nineteen minutes at eight twenty five, So we will get

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Speaker 20: to see whether or not she has brought the nipple

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Speaker 20: dress for her New Zealand show.

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Speaker 7: I bet everyone will be expecting to see it now.

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Speaker 2: This is.

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Speaker 3: Does she think the Pink Pony Club?

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Speaker 7: That's correct?

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Speaker 4: Is that her?

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Speaker 20: I went with this one because this was the big

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Speaker 20: one that broke through. But that's her other really big

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Speaker 20: one called. This one's called good Luck Bead.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh you just said that. Sorry about that. This

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Speaker 3: is her first performance since the Grammys, isn't it. It

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Speaker 3: would be two days?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they were in the last week. Yeah, yeah, we'll

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Speaker 7: be this week.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean she's probably had time to wash it and

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Speaker 7: just but it's probably still good to go.

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Speaker 17: Right.

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Speaker 7: Do you wash your dress after you wear it to

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Speaker 7: an all Waters show? I don't even know most of

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Speaker 7: us done.

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Speaker 3: Most of us just wear it sort of every six

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Speaker 3: months and then, you know, throw it away like we

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Speaker 3: were at, like, you know, eight times without washing, and

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Speaker 3: then by four years later it's sort of out of fashion.

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Speaker 3: Get rid of it. Nobody needs to wash your dress. Ants,

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like your T shirt. Don't watch them.

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Speaker 7: Oh well yeah I had so.

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Speaker 11: Clearly I didn't do.

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Speaker 7: A very good question.

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Speaker 3: That's okay. We'll see you, hey, you enjoy it tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you on Monday. Look after Yourself.

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