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Speaker 1: Joe McKenna, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm exhausted, as you can imagine.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised he's a busy man. It's good to have,

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Speaker 1: dear I suggest. I'm not being age just about any

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Speaker 1: of this, but it's good to have an active pope

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Speaker 1: who's out and about and doing stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just thinking the same thing. Actually, he's

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Speaker 2: sixty nine, he's out and about. He hasn't been sitting still.

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Speaker 2: He's been making unscheduled visits around Rome. Today. He also

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Speaker 2: met the tennis champion Yannick Sinner at the Vatican.

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Speaker 1: He shared a couple of jokes.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was making jokes about Sinners the other day,

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Speaker 2: so maybe that was his idea of making that allegation

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Speaker 2: against him.

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Speaker 1: He met the meeting. He's been meeting the media a lot,

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Speaker 1: hasn't he.

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Speaker 2: He had a special audience with us on Monday, which

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Speaker 2: was very interesting. I was surprised. He gave a very

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Speaker 2: serious speech about defending media freedom around the world and

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Speaker 2: imprisoned journalists and asking journalists to watch the words that

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Speaker 2: we use, you know, not using weapons, using words as

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Speaker 2: a weapon of war. So really trying every speech he's given,

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Speaker 2: he's been trying to emphasize his message of peace so far,

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Speaker 2: and I think we're going to see that in focus

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Speaker 2: on Sunday at his official inauguration at the Vatican.

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Speaker 1: Is that going to draw a crowd?

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to see perhaps more than one

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand. It's hard to predict those crowds. But will

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Speaker 2: we see, for example, Vice President jd. Vance from the US.

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Speaker 2: We will see President Voladimir Celenski and the Canadian Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister Mark Karney and the Australian Prime Minister Anthony alberanezis.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to see some really interesting international leaders

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Speaker 2: at this inauguration on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: When you're close with him, has he got a bit

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Speaker 1: of the old expector?

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Speaker 2: Do you know? I was talking about it with some

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Speaker 2: of the other journalists and we did feel that he

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Speaker 2: had a certain kind of presence. He's very self contained,

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Speaker 2: he's quite reserved, and yet he has a healthy sense

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Speaker 2: of humor, and I think he does have quite a

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Speaker 2: presence about him.

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Speaker 1: Actually, how big is he? Not too big? Is he?

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Speaker 1: What would he be? Five?

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Speaker 2: What? Oh? I didn't get too close, but i'd say

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Speaker 2: five to seven. We allowed to talk in fetninches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to talk in fetn inches. That's how

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Speaker 1: we do it. It's interesting now, this is because I'm

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Speaker 1: following Trump with the great deal of interest, as I

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Speaker 1: suppose the whole rest of the world is where he's

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Speaker 1: not going through the Middle East, is through Israel and

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Speaker 1: touching base with the Zola Mate and Yahoo. And I'm

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Speaker 1: getting increasingly the sense that the worlds get a little

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Speaker 1: bit fit up with what he's doing, and Maloney might

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Speaker 1: be on that same page.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was a little surprised today, Mike when the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minster Georgia Maloney attacked Nttanna, who saying what was

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Speaker 2: going on in Gaza was unjustifiable and dramatic, increasingly dramatic.

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Speaker 2: And then I looked at the polls and I thought, Aha,

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Speaker 2: So a recent Italian pole on the war in Gaza

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Speaker 2: said sixty eight percent of those they said Israel's military

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Speaker 2: response there was unacceptable and disproportionate. So that tells you

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Speaker 2: where Maloney's going at this point.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. How has mel Gibson been wrangled into luring Italian

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Speaker 1: films to the US And do they realize he's as

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Speaker 1: crazy as Yeah, I thought he.

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Speaker 2: Was totally out of fashion, but now, of course he's

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Speaker 2: a MUGA, he's a Trump supporter, and Trump has wrangled

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Speaker 2: him into being some kind of special ambassador to promote

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Speaker 2: cinema and trying to get Italian producers to make Italian

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Speaker 2: films in the US. So we'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 1: Go well, Joe, we'll catch up next week, very much,

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Speaker 1: Joe McKinnon. Officially, we've got the Pope at five to

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Speaker 1: nine eighty seven. Kg's which my next obvious once you've

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Speaker 1: done five nine eighty sim cag's what's the bm I.

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