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Speaker 1: Some great advice being shared by Sir John Kerwin at

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Speaker 1: his Mind Matters session at the flash Ash tonight, no

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Speaker 1: doubt touching on mental health, but also a bit of

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Speaker 1: footy chat too. That's what I wanted to work into

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Speaker 1: our conversation. Starting with the All Blacks, is they prepare,

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Speaker 1: prepare for Blue Slow one this coming weekend. Thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the side JK.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody's got to go through adversity to

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Speaker 2: be great, and I think this side is going through

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Speaker 2: its adversity, you know, and raises no different. I think

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Speaker 2: that you know, the team will be incredibly disappointed with

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Speaker 2: themselves about that second half against South Africa. But in

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks, we you know, we talk about looking

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Speaker 2: in the mirror, and that starts with Razor. I know

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Speaker 2: he'll do that, I know him. I know the players

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Speaker 2: will look at themselves and say, Okay, we've got to

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Speaker 2: have some hard conversations. We've got to talk about this.

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Speaker 2: We've got to understand why it happens, and it needs

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Speaker 2: to be a moment in time of honesty and resolve

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Speaker 2: and of change. And I think that's interesting thing about

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Speaker 2: rugby is those moments happened really really quick. You know,

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Speaker 2: so I've got I'm really positive, man, I'm really, I'm

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Speaker 2: really I think it's actually a good thing, right. You know.

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Speaker 2: Did I feel sick when we lost like that a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago? Course I did, because I used

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Speaker 2: to feel like that when I played. But for me,

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Speaker 2: it's about these moments and how you're going to turn

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Speaker 2: them round, you know, And I'm excited to see what

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Speaker 2: they come up with.

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Speaker 1: Is Scott Barrett the right skipper?

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Speaker 2: Well that's up to him, you know. I think we

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Speaker 2: we've got short memories, we all have, you know, but

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Speaker 2: remember after the two thousand and seven World Cup. I

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Speaker 2: think you know, Richie mccau speaks about it himself, hardest

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Speaker 2: time of his licens as captain. We're all asking for

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Speaker 2: his head and he ended up being our greatest leader,

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Speaker 2: you know. So is Scott Barrett good enough? Yes? Is

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Speaker 2: he good enough play? Yes? Is he a good leader? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Does he want to do it? But one of the

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Speaker 2: conversations that you have to have with yourself first and

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Speaker 2: then with your coach. But I believe that he'll come

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Speaker 2: away from forty minutes and say, Okay, where did I

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Speaker 2: let myself down? Where do we let the team down,

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Speaker 2: you know, and how can we get better? So I've

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Speaker 2: got faith that those conversations will be happening. If they're

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Speaker 2: not happening, then then we'll see similar results moving forward.

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Speaker 2: But I'm confident that if you have those conversations, you know,

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Speaker 2: the leaderships are complete now, so i'd expect that, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think they got together in the last couple of days.

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Speaker 2: The first five or six people that will sit down

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Speaker 2: will be their leaders and they'll have those conversations. So

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be an incredibly interesting week.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about it. And obviously I'm a huge

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Speaker 2: All Black fan firstly, so I believe that if they

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Speaker 2: do the right process from that loss, then this will

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Speaker 2: be the turning point for us.

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Speaker 1: Let's go hunt some wallabies working our way down the

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Speaker 1: competition just quickly. How good has MPCs been this season

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Speaker 1: and even further to that, the Heartland competition. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I like to brand because our mid Canburry Hammers are

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Speaker 1: sitting on top, unbeaten. But yeah, it just goes to

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Speaker 1: show that grassroots footing in this country is in real

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Speaker 1: goods day.

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Speaker 2: A Yeah, well, grassroots footy is what we're about, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's about tribalism, it's about Tristlin traditionalism, it's about getting

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Speaker 2: behind your locals. I think that, you know, grassroots needs

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Speaker 2: to be about you know, the guy that you know

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Speaker 2: that's playing in the team, and it's about your jersey

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Speaker 2: and supporting locals. So I love grassroots rugby. I think

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand Rugby Union they're really really a weird

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Speaker 2: It's a fundamental part of our high performance system as well,

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Speaker 2: because that's where we get our players from. So the

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Speaker 2: pathway through to that, I think we need to take

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Speaker 2: a bit of a look at. You know, I'm not

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Speaker 2: a fan of super rugby anymore. I'd like us to

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Speaker 2: go to an NRL NRL type competition where we go

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Speaker 2: to eight eight top sides. The Australians can go back

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Speaker 2: to being Ranwick, Many and Brothers, some stuff from up

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Speaker 2: north and we play like an NRL and then we

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Speaker 2: have a promotion relegation, so that so that even you know,

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Speaker 2: Heartland can see their pathway through to the top top

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Speaker 2: competition