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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks ed B.

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Speaker 2: Sunday afternoons mean a lot of things. For me, it

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Speaker 2: means sitting at sale gp HQ. For James mcconi, it

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Speaker 2: means talking to me from wherever he is. Where are you, mate?

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Speaker 3: Do you?

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Speaker 4: Where do we find you?

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Speaker 3: I'm back in a great white chart country. I'm back

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Speaker 3: in carf here and in the garage. A lot of

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Speaker 3: lovely day down here. So people who don't know where

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Speaker 3: carf here if you think of Raglan and then there's

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Speaker 3: another harbor south of that, Altea Harbor, and then south

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Speaker 3: of that is Kafier Harbor. So I'm here multitasking, trying

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Speaker 3: to tidy up a property, but also on the lookout

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Speaker 3: for the Maracopa Dad. So you know, doing a bit of.

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Speaker 2: Everything, bit of amateurs sleuthing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 2: Well let's talk some sport and some sport tainments. As

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Speaker 2: it's been called the Black Clash, another success last night

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Speaker 2: in christ Church.

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Speaker 3: I think. So, I mean, look you just see it

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Speaker 3: was a good wasn't it, And a great contest. So look,

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Speaker 3: it's like everything, it's got its floors. But I think

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Speaker 3: there's so much to like about having good old fashioned entertainment.

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Speaker 3: When I was young, I remember watching I think it

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Speaker 3: was kind of like a clash of the Code, so

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Speaker 3: they called it Superstars with Peter Snell in the Velodrome

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Speaker 3: and things like that, and yeah, he wasn't perfect riding

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Speaker 3: we've gone back to the future. And with you know,

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Speaker 3: Chris Gale, the Universe Boss playing, that's instant, you know,

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Speaker 3: star power, a huge amount of entertainment seeing him out there,

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Speaker 3: and you know, plenty of cricketers rugby players looking like

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Speaker 3: they're not too bad at cricket. I must give a

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Speaker 3: shout out to my Sky Sport buddy Joe Wheeler with

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Speaker 3: the ball, not too bad bowling, and then Andy Ellis

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Speaker 3: with the bats as well. I can't remember there's someone else,

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Speaker 3: Lea McDonald as well getting it after.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting how many rugby players and I think

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Speaker 2: the number of top rugby players who also played a

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Speaker 2: bit of cricket growing up, and we're pretty good at it.

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Speaker 2: Karen Reid was a very uneven Black Clasher's passed. He's

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Speaker 2: got pots of runs. I know, you know, well, Jordan's

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Speaker 2: a handy cricketer. They love it as he dad was

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty k bowler.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was part of the Brendan Brace or bowling camps,

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Speaker 3: the fast bowling camps back in the day.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: And so the cricket so intertwined in our DNA and look,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of this will be for not

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Speaker 3: just New Zealand cricket but also New Zealand rugby and

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Speaker 3: all major sports or minor sports going to back to

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Speaker 3: the drawing board and thinking how do we get this

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Speaker 3: kind of buzz, even for example athletics. I remember, you

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Speaker 3: know there was the Molenberg Miles series and the pan

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Speaker 3: Am Games and all these things that happened where people

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Speaker 3: Quiry from Jamaica came over and even in recent years

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Speaker 3: I think Donovan Bailey came and ran grand here and

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Speaker 3: Carl lewis an exhibition event. So this is this is

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Speaker 3: what if you want to get crowds and if you

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Speaker 3: having the acc involved, which is the alternative commentary collective.

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Speaker 3: And I'm biased because I'm part of that, but I

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Speaker 3: think they make it a great occasion.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right. I remember that clash of the Codes. I

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Speaker 2: remember they they got obviously sports people from a bunch

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Speaker 2: They had the Queen Street mile and you probably don't

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Speaker 2: he and he was leading by miles and then he

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Speaker 2: just ran out of gas. He got over taken by everybody.

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Speaker 3: Do you find that? I really think that because that

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Speaker 3: was the modern version of classes the Codes conveniently organized

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Speaker 3: by Ian Ferguson and Paul McDonald, and somehow the kayakers

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Speaker 3: they end up in the final. And then Bruce Kendall

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Speaker 3: was I remember one time they did cover a Kenworth

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Speaker 4: It's talk other sport a league.

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Speaker 2: Auckland f C back to winning ways a surprise loss

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Speaker 2: the previously top of the table Melbourne City yesterday, all

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Speaker 4: But good to see Auckland FC showing some bounce backability.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. And the way they actually set up

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Speaker 3: the formations seemed to me like they've actually taken a

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Speaker 3: nine in Chris Woods. So Max Matter was up the

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Speaker 3: front of a yellow car throwing himself around, scored a goal,

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Speaker 3: kind of had a hand in another. I think that

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Speaker 3: really they needed to be more direct and it's all

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Speaker 3: about shots on target for me, Piney and I think

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Speaker 3: in the first half they had seven That must be

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Speaker 3: a club record since I've only been going a few months,

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Speaker 3: so I'm putting it out there it's a club record.

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Speaker 3: But that's what I needed to see from Auckland. They

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Speaker 3: see if they're really going to be contenders, they just

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Speaker 3: need to shoot more and shoot accurately.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Indeed, Wellington Phoenix, on the other hand going through

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Speaker 2: some struggles, although they did pick up a point against

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Speaker 2: Sydney FC in their last game, off to face MacArthur

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Speaker 2: tomorrow night.

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Speaker 4: Does this feel like a top six side.

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Speaker 3: To you, I'm just well, currently no, but they're missing

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Speaker 3: so much talent. I think there are Mico Rojas has

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Speaker 3: Barbarusis has been pretty consistently on the field. But then

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Speaker 3: when you look at how many sort of newbies and teenagers,

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Speaker 3: and that is really the key to the A League

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Speaker 3: is having young junior players ready to step up. But

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Speaker 3: I do feel sorry for them. I think maybe getting

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Speaker 3: rid of David Ball isn't a bad idea. You need

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Speaker 3: to get some fresh legs in there, and he's been

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Speaker 3: a great servant for the club, but I don't think

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Speaker 3: I can't remember him scoring a goal, and I think

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Speaker 3: he was extremely unlucky of Eden Park and I just

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Speaker 3: for old David Ball. It's not going to be you know,

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Speaker 3: he's in the twilight of his career and the ball

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Speaker 3: just doesn't seem to be bouncing his way. So they

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Speaker 3: need something piny. And for you, as a commentator, I

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Speaker 3: the Path of the House and lame is too, you know,

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Speaker 3: I dreamed a dream sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, look, I never thought of it in those terms,

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Speaker 2: but I will from now on, That's what I'm Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I'll give up my Jean Valjean,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think he was involved in either of

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Speaker 2: either of those two songs, So maybe we should move

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Speaker 2: on the AUSSI Open.

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Speaker 4: You watch you in the AUSSI Open.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have been, and I still maintain that it's

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Speaker 3: the only three players that really can beat him A Center,

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Speaker 3: Our Carez and old Oh Min. It'ould just be those two,

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Speaker 3: really I think about it is you know, some who

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Speaker 3: the women's side, at least Koko gov seems to be

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Speaker 3: so it could it might date very poorly because you

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Speaker 3: don't know with the Aussie Open and who's looking good,

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Speaker 3: actually in good form, aren't you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I was astounded to see that Novak Djokovic

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Speaker 2: a lot more than just who you think is going

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Speaker 2: to win the thing, but he I think he's still

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Speaker 2: man El Karez as well as Verev.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think I've ever seen him.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we've had a seeded player like Zverev

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean he is a threat. I mean

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Speaker 3: Alex Demano is a threat. There's all these other players.

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Speaker 3: He'd say, yeah, talent wise, have got something. But I

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Speaker 3: think isolating. I mean center of the drugs cheat, supposed

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Speaker 3: I think it's between those three.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, and just to finish, we're now able to vote

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Speaker 2: for the sporting moments of twenty twenty four. And given

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Speaker 2: the fact that there was an Olympic Games last year

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Speaker 2: Paralympics as well. There are a number of moments that

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Speaker 2: lineup and have you got an early contender for which

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Speaker 2: one you think we might all choose?

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Speaker 3: This is harder to pick than a broken nose, as

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Speaker 3: they say in the Twelfth Man, It's just impossible. And

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Speaker 3: you know what, Dame Lisa Carrington didn't even make the list. No,

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Speaker 3: so this is I don't know how the list was compiled.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a judge anymore, but I do look at

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Speaker 3: the sporting moments and twenty twenty four was amazing and

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Speaker 3: even just looking at the top one, Anna Grimaldi when

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Speaker 3: she won that two hundred meters in the parent Olympics,

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Speaker 3: that was an incredible moment. So you know, you kick

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Speaker 3: off with that, and of course there's Dame Lydia Cove,

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Speaker 3: pure moments of emotion, you know, the White Fans winning

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Speaker 3: their T twenty World Cup, and then the Black Caps

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Speaker 3: go and have a look on Halbert dot org dot NZ.

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Speaker 3: I think for the for the full list, and it's

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Speaker 3: going to be it's worth voting because you know, I

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Speaker 3: think that you want to be a pure in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand vote rather than just block votings voting of sports

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Speaker 3: where but I mean, you know there's two cricket events

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Speaker 3: if you if you love your athletics or your golf

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Speaker 3: or whatever, you're going to go in there and vote.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Well it's good to chat, James le Let's do it

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Speaker 2: again next Sunday if you've if you've got time and

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Speaker 2: amongst all of your other amateur sleuthing and such.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, I'll let you know. Actually there's some

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Speaker 3: people thought that you might look a bit like the Marrackope, Dad,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't form You've just got a slightly smaller

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Speaker 2: Mulet and probably slightly bigger around the waist as well,

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Speaker 2: given the fact he's been eating berries for two years.

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Speaker 2: But we probably died. We probably die, thanks James. James mccony,

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Speaker 2: big part of our Sundays. Joins us about this time

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Speaker 2: every Sunday.

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