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Speaker 2: As part of our US the Experts series. As we

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Speaker 2: do every Wednesday, we are joined once again by Mark Vitti.

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Speaker 2: He is a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer, and

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Speaker 2: educator who's been working with animals for over forty years.

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Speaker 2: He's a trained animal psychologist and he has created the

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Speaker 2: Dogs In Online training program. Mark Vitti joins us once again. Mark,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how bloody good. Let's start off with a simple one.

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Speaker 3: My chocolate lab eats duck poo when we walk by

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Speaker 3: the nearby lake. Is that okay, thanks, Liz?

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Speaker 4: Actually funny enough, But I mean there is a few

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Speaker 4: infections that birds obviously can transmit now, including some manella.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, as a general rule, dog with scavengers and

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Speaker 4: they've got a pretty discussed wrong you digestive system, so

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Speaker 4: it's probably not a big deal. But if you can

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Speaker 4: teach the Levett command, then do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: My friend was working on a show and by a

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Speaker 3: lake and got terrible salmonella just from duckpoo, So it's

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Speaker 3: not great for humans. I don't know if he was

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Speaker 3: eating her.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was my next should have been the first

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Speaker 2: thing right now, if exactly, if you've got a question

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Speaker 2: for Mark O eight hundred and eighty teen eighty the

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Speaker 2: lines are fall at the moment, but keep trying and

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Speaker 2: hopefully you will get through.

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Speaker 4: Pru.

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Speaker 3: Have you've got a question for Mark?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Hi, yes, I So we've got a GSP. She's about

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Speaker 5: mainly with men and have unknown times and she she

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Speaker 5: hasn't she did jump at a guy yesterday, but she's

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Speaker 5: she's never like bitten any or anything. And I just

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Speaker 5: my question kind of is normally I'll really browl her

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Speaker 5: Is that the best way to deal with it or

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Speaker 5: is it something else?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's certainly it's something that you you know,

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Speaker 4: But really it's it's not something that's going to change

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Speaker 4: just by doing that. So I teach a meat and

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Speaker 4: Greek technique with a clicker, and so what I'm doing

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Speaker 4: is teach teaching nicely command and I teach them a

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Speaker 4: touch target to someone's hands. So I do that first

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Speaker 4: of all to myself and I do it to family members.

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Speaker 4: So I teach her to touch her nose to the

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Speaker 4: for socialized and keep her on lead. I normally have

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Speaker 4: I've got my click and reward, because what you've got

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Speaker 4: to do is reshape that behavior because you know she's

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Speaker 4: being protective in that situation. She's either resource guarding you

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Speaker 4: might do it more at home and around the car.

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Speaker 4: So click on you click on rewarding pro social behavior

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Speaker 4: she shows any growling behavior. And with the click of

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Speaker 4: and so it's the most effective tool to shape that behavior. You.

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Speaker 4: I've got that online if you need to have a

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Speaker 4: look at how to do that. But it's important to

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Speaker 4: giving me a tingle and doing a virtual console. If

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Speaker 3: Yeah you go, do you go, prough, We've got penny here.

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Speaker 6: I've got three l packers. They all come running up

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Speaker 6: He has always keeps his ears back and he spits

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Speaker 6: But I'm sick and part of getting his gold.

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Speaker 4: And from there I can move him around with the

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Speaker 4: of training. That's the trick for that everything, okay.

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Speaker 3: And and if that doesn't work, just to suck up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much for afternoon, and we have

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Speaker 2: Mark Vitti. He is a world renowned animal behavior is

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Speaker 2: dog trainer and educator. He joins us once again for

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Speaker 2: us the Experts series. Mark, thanks very much again for

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Speaker 2: your time. My bit Pen, you're on with Mark.

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Speaker 9: Hi Mark, we have a one year old?

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hi Pen? Do you go for it?

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Speaker 9: We're got a one year old Stephie who's lovely friendly,

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Speaker 9: because she gets ver excited when we come across other

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Speaker 9: won't go. She stumes at the league, fits and snarls

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Speaker 9: my husband can handle her, but I'm kind of too

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Speaker 9: scared to go near snapping jewels. You've got any advice

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when you see she's snapping you, she's not

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Speaker 4: If they're really social, good only for having them social

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Speaker 4: to people and dogs. It's the critical issue. And now

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Speaker 4: it's just really that's really just a control issue. You'll see.

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Speaker 4: You know, in my schools, I teach them using clicker

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Speaker 4: way to retrain a dog because you're reshaping that behavior

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Speaker 4: She needs to join up really well with you in particular,

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Speaker 4: so much trouble. Get her on the clicker, and you

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Speaker 2: Arousal pen all the best in Stephy's our beautiful dogs.

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Speaker 7: Peter, how are you hey, boys? He much? You got

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Speaker 7: a nine year old? I got a nine year old

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Speaker 7: come on a bit. We're used the arthriders treatment, you know,

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Speaker 7: the injection once a month's treatment. Yes, but it doesn't

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Speaker 7: seem to be much relieved. When when do you think

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Speaker 7: it's the right time to make that harsh call.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough call, isn't it at that stage.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, a lab nine, she's still you know,

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Speaker 4: you're right. The arthritis will be due to the surgical

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Speaker 4: Now they've got techniques that they can actually remove arthritis

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Speaker 4: as well through surgical techniques. And the first thing I'd

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Speaker 4: one that's the cause and number two is the VET.

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Speaker 4: Will you really advise you well, normally on when we're

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Speaker 4: getting to that place, we might need to consider you

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Speaker 4: the major, but at this stage I would suggest there's

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Speaker 4: And there's some pretty good drugs there now that can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are some pretty good drugs that can take

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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, Matt knows that well.

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Speaker 4: Sorry about that.

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Speaker 2: It's something yeah, Peter, all the very best to you.

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Speaker 4: Joe.

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Speaker 2: You're on with Mark.

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Speaker 6: Oh hey, lads love show listen every afternoon. Thank you, hey,

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Speaker 6: thank you, Matt.

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Speaker 9: I've got a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Two dogs. I introduced a new puppy probably about six

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Speaker 6: months ago. He's about seven eight months old now. He

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Speaker 6: loves her, absolutely loves her. Adors there, but he chases

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Speaker 6: her around pretty much non stop, and he won't live

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Speaker 6: with tea or two by himself literally all over the

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Speaker 3: Dog, there's no need for that peeing on you.

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Speaker 2: It's fully behavior is no fun exactly.

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Speaker 4: It's not unusual that in time mails will do that,

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Speaker 3: Baby that's well, No one wants to be paid on well.

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Speaker 2: Mark, Mark, You've been great as always, Thank you very

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Speaker 2: much and if people want to find out more week

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Speaker 2: can they go Yeah Dogdan.

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Speaker 4: Dot com or jump onto our Facebook page and uh

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Speaker 4: Facebook live on Monday nights and yeah, come come visit

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Speaker 2: To you too, brilliant. We will catch up again in

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Speaker 2: about a month's time.

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