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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealanders, Welcome to podcast two three

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Speaker 2: four for Monday, the third of November. So Matt's off

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Speaker 2: this week, he'll be back next week. So it was

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Speaker 2: just me flying solo. Had some great chats about roads

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Speaker 2: and tolls, this new eighteen billion dollar Auckland to Northland Expressway.

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Speaker 2: Wayne Brown's not happy. He's not happy about a lot

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Speaker 2: of things in life, is he. But there was some

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Speaker 2: great chat and then it was we dug deep into

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Speaker 2: the Dame no Lean toad or saga, and there was

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Speaker 2: some pretty feisty calls. Actually, you got to listen out

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Speaker 2: for Heather. She was fired up at me and at

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Speaker 2: a lot of other people, but she was great. So download,

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between them. Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons News.

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Speaker 2: Talk said they a very very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Monday. Hope you had a fantastic weekend. The

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Speaker 2: weather was pretty amazing in most parts of the country,

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Speaker 2: certainly up here in Auckland, so I hope it was

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Speaker 2: pretty good where you are too. Just a heads up.

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Speaker 2: Matt's my mate. He is off of this week but

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Speaker 2: he will be back next week, so just me flying

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Speaker 2: solo until Friday. But really great to have your company

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Speaker 2: as always, big big show for you today as we

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Speaker 2: always do after three o'clock. Really keen to have a

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Speaker 2: chat about getting into trouble in strict and sketchy country

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Speaker 2: Southeast Asia, South America, parts of the Middle East, parts

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Speaker 2: of Europe. This is after a Kiwi. His name is

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Speaker 2: Anthony D. Mallamonch. He was arrested in Bali in December

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen after allegedly carrying one point seven kilograms of

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Speaker 2: under Indonesian law. And we all know they don't muck

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Speaker 2: around when it comes to drugs in Indonesia. He's pleaded

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Speaker 2: not guilty and he claims he was duped by an

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Speaker 2: online lover scam and he's now got health issues with

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Speaker 2: being in a harsh prison environment. He is calling on

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Speaker 2: the government to do a deal and allow him to

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Speaker 2: return home at the moment, he is screaming into the void,

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't look like he's going to get any

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Speaker 2: help from our government anytime soon. But I want to

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Speaker 2: take it a bit broader, and we've already had so

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Speaker 2: many texts comes through on nine two nine two. Have

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Speaker 2: you ever found yourself on the edge of serious trouble

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Speaker 2: while traveling in a country with those strict laws and

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Speaker 2: how did that experience change the way you think about

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Speaker 2: those countries? The risk, the personal responsibility. It's well known

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Speaker 2: you don't put a foot out of line when you're

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Speaker 2: in the likes of Southeast Asia, but can you get

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Speaker 2: your stories of almost getting banged up abroad? That is

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Speaker 2: after three o'clock, After two o'clock, The big news story

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Speaker 2: when it comes to sport is Dame Nolan, total is

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Speaker 2: Ferns coach at the center of the storm that's rocked

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Speaker 2: New Zealand netball. After weeks of silence, has publicly spoken

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Speaker 2: this morning with Mike Coskin and a few others, and

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Speaker 2: what she said, or perhaps what she didn't say, has

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Speaker 2: only deepened the mystery of what the hell went on.

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Speaker 2: So Dame Nolen revealed she was stood down from her

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Speaker 2: role without being told the full reasons why. She said

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Speaker 2: there was no formal investigation, no clear communication, and that

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Speaker 2: the process has been, in her words, horrific. The Silver

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Speaker 2: Fern's reputation has of course taken a massive hammering, and

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Speaker 2: New Zealand netball sponsors are uneasy and fans continue to

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Speaker 2: be very very confused. Netball New Zealand says it's always

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Speaker 2: we see is just simply chaos. Right so after two

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Speaker 2: stuff up in New Zealand sport history? Looking forward to

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Speaker 2: that after two o'clock. But right now, let's have a

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Speaker 2: Mayor Wayne Brown, he has come out swinging again, this

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Speaker 2: time over the proposed eighteen billion dollar Auckland to Northland Expressway.

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Speaker 2: So Brown says the project is way too expensive for

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Speaker 2: government they should be looking at cheaper, smarter upgrades. He said,

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Speaker 2: and forty million dollars per kilometer. That compares to seventy

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Speaker 2: takes us here in New Zealand to construct these so

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Speaker 2: eighteen billion dollar price tag for this Auckland and Northland Expressway?

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Speaker 2: And if you are, are you okay that it's going

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Speaker 2: and those higher road charges to pay for the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh on one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number

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Speaker 2: We have been loathed to accept toll roads in this

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Speaker 2: country for a couple of reasons. Traditionally, highways have been

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Speaker 2: funded through fuel tax and road user charges, not direct

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Speaker 2: toll and politically, tolls are unpopular, especially when taxpayers already

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Speaker 2: fun rolls through general taxes. Totaling only works when there's

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Speaker 2: a clear alternative, a clear alternative route. You can't legally

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Speaker 2: So there's a couple of challenges there when it comes

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Speaker 2: think it's needed, and clearly the government does and many

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Speaker 2: other people say it's vital that we have a good

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Speaker 2: expressway access way into Northland for freight, obviously for passengers,

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Speaker 2: there's multiple reasons for that expressway to be constructed to

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Speaker 2: Then do we have to accept we're going to have

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Speaker 2: which is effectively a user pays situation. Or do you

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Speaker 2: think we just pay far too much for the infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: We've got to actually ask questions about why why is

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Speaker 2: it going to cost between fifteen and eighteen billion dollars

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Speaker 2: their mind? That's already a massive gap. Might not sound

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Speaker 2: that's the current estimate. Do we actually need to start

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Speaker 2: Is this the only way we're going to be able

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Speaker 2: I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

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Speaker 2: And nine two nine to two is the text number.

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Speaker 2: It is thirteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used

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Speaker 2: Be afternoon, g U sixteen past one. So we're talking

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Speaker 2: and Northland Expressway and can to hear from you about

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Speaker 2: why we pay these ridiculous figures for these super highways?

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Speaker 2: Is that a fair cost to pay for this particular project?

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Speaker 2: And when it comes to toll roads, the government has

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Speaker 2: that we're probably going to pay for these roads. Is

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Speaker 3: Mate?

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Speaker 4: How are you today?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Nice to hear from you personally.

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Speaker 5: Mate.

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Speaker 4: I think that the best thing we can do. I

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Speaker 4: do have to ask the question what is going on

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 4: One of the norm we know one of the Nordic

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Speaker 4: klimeters long through fiords. They're putting in floating underground tunnels

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Speaker 4: and it's costing sixty eight billion dollars and six hundred

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Speaker 4: the bloody massive big bridge they built about four kilometers

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Speaker 4: that cost overruns and it was two and a half

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Speaker 4: build Auckland Harbybridge now. The only thing I can think

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Speaker 4: of there's far too many people clipping the ticket and

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Speaker 4: And so it's and in the toll roads really bikes

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Speaker 4: me because in Taro, once they finished to take a

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Speaker 4: teamer north and ride their building Tarror, I'll have three

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys get slammed, and no doubt about it,

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Speaker 2: you get absolutely slammed on the toll roads.

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Speaker 4: I wrote to Somnim Brown about that and he says, oh, well,

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Speaker 4: let's just put them. I said no, No, On a second, bro,

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Speaker 4: I see, why should we tearing here? I'm not in

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Speaker 4: tering A, But why should they get three of the

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Speaker 4: five tollrads in the country at the moment. It's just

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Speaker 4: unreasonable and unfair. And yeah, we've got to pay for

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Speaker 4: it somehow, But eighteen billion dollars, mate, is just completely

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Speaker 4: and utterly ridiculous. Gon't ask the Chinese to come.

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Speaker 9: In and build it.

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Speaker 4: Pay them five billion and they'll take home four billion

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Speaker 4: dollars profit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's the thing, isn't it, Greg That if

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Speaker 2: it's going to cost fifteen to eighteen billion dollars to

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Speaker 2: construct this expressway and then they're talking about more tolls.

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Speaker 2: I've actually got no problem with tolls. I say, bring

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Speaker 2: them on. User pays to me, makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: But if you're going to waste billions of dollars unnecessarily

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Speaker 2: on these types of roads, then I mean they can

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Speaker 2: toll us to the cows come home. It's never going

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Speaker 2: to be enough, is it.

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Speaker 4: No, it's just ridiculous, mate, It genuinely isn't. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'd love to see the cost is

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Speaker 4: you look at transmission Galley. They never once asked the

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Speaker 4: locals what they needed to do to make the road workable.

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Speaker 4: They just got people in and built it and they

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Speaker 4: had no idea that the substructure wasn't up to any standard.

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Speaker 4: And what's happening. It's costing hundreds of millions of dollars

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Speaker 4: for apperiod already, yeah, a couple of years old. It's

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Speaker 2: Years, exactly, mate, exactly. Greg. Nice to hear from you

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Speaker 2: and thoughts and prayers to the people of Torongo who

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Speaker 2: absolutely get told up the wazoo. If you are in Totrong,

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Speaker 2: another element to it, right, that it's a user pay system,

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Speaker 2: You're hoping most of that goes to paying for the

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Speaker 2: But certainly that is a necessary part of having tolls

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Speaker 2: They say that if we want expressways where you can

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Speaker 2: get the balance right, don't you? Between safety and cost?

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Speaker 2: Can you get your views? One hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 1: Month, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic

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Speaker 10: Welcome back?

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Speaker 11: Can I public to start by thanking you on behalf

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Speaker 11: If I'm going to be honest.

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Speaker 10: Good, do you sit here this morning happy and vindicated?

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Speaker 10: Or is there more to it?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 11: I do sit here feeling happy. I don't take my

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Speaker 1: Fact you're back but not back?

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Speaker 10: Are you happy about that?

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Speaker 1: Look?

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Speaker 11: I'm back? Probably the thing that I that I'm holding.

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Speaker 10: On to back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking

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Speaker 2: Hello to your great Devut company is always. It's twenty

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Speaker 2: and Northway Expressway. So the quota cost is between fifteen

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Speaker 2: point three billion to eighteen point three billion, So that

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Speaker 2: and forty million dollars per kilometer. Now compare that with

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Speaker 2: the Pooh Hooy to Walkworth Highway that was seventy three

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Speaker 2: million dollars per kilometer. That is a massive cost increase

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Speaker 2: in it was opened. The Pouh Hoy to Walkworth Highway

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Speaker 2: was opened in June twenty twenty three, So in two

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Speaker 2: years time that has more than doubled. Does that sound

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Speaker 2: a part of our future yet? A Mike, how are

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Speaker 12: Hi?

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Speaker 13: Good afternoon, Tyler?

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Speaker 2: How are you very good? My friend? What are reck well?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 14: First and foremost, how is your sidekick all right? Just

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: He's all right, mate, he's just having the week off

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Speaker 2: but he'll be back next week. Missing him. But yeah,

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Speaker 13: Oh that's good.

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Speaker 14: No, I haven't looked too closely at this new press

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Speaker 14: these new costings do seem quite expensive. I guess, well,

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Speaker 14: we don't have any control over that, and you know

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Speaker 14: I'm all for it, and I can use a case

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Speaker 14: we don't know all this, but obviously, yeah, there's a whole.

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Speaker 13: Lot of.

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Speaker 14: Future planning that we don't really know about that they

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Speaker 14: And toll roads, well, you know, if it means a

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Speaker 14: hope there's going to be two options, but who knows.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but yeah, if it's safer that that's much better.

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Speaker 14: But the case I use in Auckland and East Aukland

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Speaker 14: but it's absolutely incredible. And then they've got the passover

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's good to hear, Mike. I've been on that,

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Speaker 2: you know that that particular bypass on many occasions at

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Speaker 2: you're right, it was an absolute dog and they needed

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Speaker 2: The price is the price, But surely you've got a question,

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Speaker 2: you know, a billion dollars per kilometer that is that

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, there's been a huge amount of changes to

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Speaker 14: It was just a shame that the Packering warehouse, because

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Speaker 13: But the funny this.

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Speaker 14: Is a funny thing, but back in January this year,

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Speaker 13: We moved through.

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Speaker 14: And I thought, I was thinking to myself because I

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Speaker 13: But I'll tell you, I kid you not.

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Speaker 14: The very same day that Monday, did everything return to normal?

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Speaker 14: Everything got widened up, and I thought, this is this

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Speaker 14: is I can't believe. This is amazing. And then you

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Speaker 14: look at exactly where it's happening, and Simeon Brown's Electric

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Speaker 14: and I thought, oh, okay, well, yeah, obviously constructions trying

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, not fair enough, Mike. We've got the

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Speaker 2: And I think Mike's bang on. If you're going to

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Speaker 2: necessary thing. You're going to need it for freight moving

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Speaker 2: vice versa. But I want to hear what it would

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Speaker 2: potentially hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars more

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Speaker 2: good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: News talk.

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Speaker 15: Sa'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble

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Speaker 15: with a blue bubble. A twenty seven year old woman's

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Speaker 15: been found dead by searchers after failing to return from

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Speaker 15: a tramping expedition at the West Coast Fox River. She

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Speaker 15: Record numbers of people made Key We Save a Hardship

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Speaker 15: withdrawal in September, with more than five and a half

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Speaker 15: thousand withdrawing a total forty eight point nine million dollars.

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Speaker 15: measles case confirmed in Auckland over the weekend with a

437
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Speaker 15: link to overseas travel that brings the nationwide total to seventeen.

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Speaker 15: A petition has been launched asking to party MALDI president

439
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Speaker 15: John Tomaheery to resign. It's authored by Te Taitonga electorate executive.

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Speaker 15: Two men aged eighteen and twenty years old will be

441
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Speaker 15: back in court this month allegedly found in Auckland's Northcote

442
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Speaker 15: early Thursday with items stolen from cars from across Auckland.

443
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Speaker 15: More charges are likely. A posh Auckland doggy daycare has

444
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Speaker 15: been ordered to close, but will it read more at

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Speaker 15: ensid Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are talking about

447
00:23:02,253 --> 00:23:06,413
Speaker 2: the proposed Auckland to Northland Expressway. At the moment, it's

448
00:23:06,413 --> 00:23:09,853
Speaker 2: proposed to cost somewhere between fifteen eighteen billion dollars. Wayne

449
00:23:09,853 --> 00:23:13,013
Speaker 2: Brown he isn't happy with that. He thinks that's far

450
00:23:13,053 --> 00:23:15,493
Speaker 2: too expensive and I'd have to agree with him on

451
00:23:15,533 --> 00:23:19,333
Speaker 2: that front, and he would like to see some more

452
00:23:19,373 --> 00:23:22,173
Speaker 2: proposals on ways that you can reduce the cost of

453
00:23:22,293 --> 00:23:25,333
Speaker 2: that particular highway to give it some context. He did

454
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Speaker 2: the mass and he's worked out it's going to cost

455
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Speaker 2: with those figures around two hundred million to two hundred

456
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Speaker 2: and forty million per kilometer, and that compares to seventy

457
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Speaker 2: three million dollars per kilometer for the Pouh Hooy to

458
00:23:36,453 --> 00:23:39,853
Speaker 2: Walkworth Highway. So that is a massive increase, more than double,

459
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Speaker 2: almost triple if it's up at the upper region of

460
00:23:42,973 --> 00:23:46,173
Speaker 2: those cost estimates. So can you hear from you, particularly

461
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Speaker 2: if you're an engineer or if you're if you work

462
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Speaker 2: in the roading side of things. Where are these cost

463
00:23:51,613 --> 00:23:55,133
Speaker 2: explosions coming from? Is this just the nature of a

464
00:23:55,213 --> 00:24:00,933
Speaker 2: cost increases in material and labor? Are the engineering concerns

465
00:24:00,933 --> 00:24:04,933
Speaker 2: and challenges that existed up in Northland that aren't so

466
00:24:05,053 --> 00:24:07,173
Speaker 2: much in other parts of the country. Love to get

467
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Speaker 2: your expertise. Oh one hundred eighty eight is the number

468
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Speaker 2: to call. Ste How are you doing.

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Speaker 9: Very well? Thank you? I'm just bringing them on the

470
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Speaker 9: subject of building highways and the cost of health and safety.

471
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Speaker 9: I think health and safety when you look at the

472
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Speaker 9: compounding effect that all areas of it, like even on

473
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Speaker 9: road construction. For going back to quarry management, where a

474
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Speaker 9: lot of the raw materials come from. It's it's probably

475
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Speaker 9: miles more than the actual cost for most other things.

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Speaker 7: Yea.

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Speaker 9: And so back in the old days, the Ministry Works

478
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Speaker 9: used to build a lot of very important strategic highways

479
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Speaker 9: to the government. Yes, and they had expertise, but they

480
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Speaker 9: were duty bound and there wasn't legislation in the way

481
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Speaker 9: with health and safety, et cetera to do it at

482
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Speaker 9: the affordable cost.

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Speaker 2: It's a tricky sorry do you carry out.

484
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Speaker 9: No, no, no, it's a two discussion is.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna I was just going to say

486
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Speaker 2: that's a tricky one because you bang on that. There

487
00:25:14,373 --> 00:25:17,053
Speaker 2: has been more regulations and red tape that has come

488
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Speaker 2: into across the board realistically, but certainly when it comes

489
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Speaker 2: to infrastructure construction, and those regulations and red tape just

490
00:25:26,333 --> 00:25:29,173
Speaker 2: weren't there during the Ministry of workstays and a lot

491
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Speaker 2: of people hark back to that is being very successful

492
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Speaker 2: and getting infrastructure built. And I don't think they're wrong,

493
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Speaker 2: but you are liable now if there has been something

494
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Speaker 2: constructed and it goes wrong or God forbid, and this

495
00:25:44,493 --> 00:25:47,173
Speaker 2: is the worst case scenario of course, collapses because it

496
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Speaker 2: wasn't engineered properly, and they tried to cut costs. Nobody

497
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Speaker 2: wants that, And that's the tricky part, right, is that

498
00:25:54,373 --> 00:25:56,773
Speaker 2: you need to make sure you tick those boxes to

499
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Speaker 2: ensure that this infrastructure is safe and people can use

500
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Speaker 2: it for a long time, versus maybe what they do

501
00:26:03,373 --> 00:26:07,093
Speaker 2: in some parts of the world where they don't construct

502
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Speaker 2: those standards.

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Speaker 9: Well, yes, but not at all costs. So health and

504
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Speaker 9: safety is something that can be introduced without harving any cost.

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Speaker 9: It's constructing the traveling public. For example, to travel safely,

506
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Speaker 9: you don't have to put up a whole lot of cones.

507
00:26:24,613 --> 00:26:26,213
Speaker 9: You just put up a couple of cones and the

508
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Speaker 9: sign saying driver beware. There is a construction the head.

509
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Speaker 9: But you know you have when you're traveling on the road,

510
00:26:35,013 --> 00:26:38,253
Speaker 9: you see thousands of cones, and you see all these

511
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Speaker 9: vehicles with all these safety hats and most of them

512
00:26:41,093 --> 00:26:45,093
Speaker 9: on cell phones all the time. That's where the money's going,

513
00:26:45,173 --> 00:26:48,173
Speaker 9: and it holds up construction. You know, health and safety

514
00:26:48,253 --> 00:26:52,733
Speaker 9: is centered around good roads, good construction at the right

515
00:26:52,853 --> 00:26:54,413
Speaker 9: price so that we can get on with the rest

516
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Speaker 9: of what has to be done. So that's just my message.

517
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Speaker 2: No, it's a good message to do. You think it

518
00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:04,293
Speaker 2: can be done with this expressway and still keep it

519
00:27:04,293 --> 00:27:06,733
Speaker 2: to one hundred and ten kilometers an hour at the

520
00:27:06,773 --> 00:27:09,853
Speaker 2: upper level, because that's the government and ed ZTA are

521
00:27:09,893 --> 00:27:13,133
Speaker 2: saying with these new super highways or expressways that if

522
00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:15,293
Speaker 2: we want them to be up to one hundred and

523
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Speaker 2: ten k's an hour, then there's an added cost to

524
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Speaker 2: ensure that safety.

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Speaker 9: Well, at the end of the day, I think the

526
00:27:24,933 --> 00:27:27,613
Speaker 9: lack of safetyople are not having the affordability of the

527
00:27:27,653 --> 00:27:31,653
Speaker 9: highways is our biggest health and safety risk. So if

528
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Speaker 9: we build them properly and so that transmission gully phane,

529
00:27:36,853 --> 00:27:40,573
Speaker 9: you know, like at the end of the day, that

530
00:27:40,653 --> 00:27:42,413
Speaker 9: should have been done properly to start us and it

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Speaker 9: should have been done in a quarter of the amount

532
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Speaker 9: of time at top to two. But now it's going

533
00:27:47,053 --> 00:27:50,453
Speaker 9: it's going to cost as much again probably yes, the

534
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Speaker 9: inconvenience of it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, ju great to get your thoughts and expertise. Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much for giving me a buzz. Oh, eight

537
00:27:56,613 --> 00:27:59,573
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Love

538
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Speaker 2: to get your thoughts about the cost of infrastructure. When

539
00:28:01,933 --> 00:28:04,693
Speaker 2: you're looking at upwards of eighteen billion dollars for this

540
00:28:04,733 --> 00:28:09,293
Speaker 2: Auckland and Northland Expressway, but also the idea of toll

541
00:28:09,373 --> 00:28:13,052
Speaker 2: roads is do we need to accept more toll roads

542
00:28:13,133 --> 00:28:16,413
Speaker 2: across New Zealand when it comes to infrastructure, because we've

543
00:28:16,573 --> 00:28:19,693
Speaker 2: long been loath to accept the idea of toll roads.

544
00:28:19,973 --> 00:28:22,573
Speaker 2: There's a couple of reasons for that. Clearly they are unpopular.

545
00:28:22,653 --> 00:28:26,893
Speaker 2: We pay for infrastructure through fuel tax and through road

546
00:28:26,933 --> 00:28:31,373
Speaker 2: user charges, which is fast changing, of course, and you

547
00:28:31,493 --> 00:28:34,293
Speaker 2: have to have an alternative highway. So all of those

548
00:28:34,413 --> 00:28:37,453
Speaker 2: things combined it does push back against the idea of

549
00:28:37,453 --> 00:28:40,773
Speaker 2: toll roads. But the government says more coming. So what

550
00:28:40,773 --> 00:28:42,733
Speaker 2: do you say, really, can you get your thoughts? Ninety two?

551
00:28:42,813 --> 00:28:45,373
Speaker 2: Ninety two is that text number? It is nineteen to two.

552
00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:50,373
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

553
00:28:50,413 --> 00:28:54,173
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

554
00:28:54,413 --> 00:28:55,973
Speaker 1: used talks that'd Beatie.

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Speaker 2: It's sixteen to two and we're talking about the proposed

556
00:28:59,333 --> 00:29:03,573
Speaker 2: cost of the Auckland Northland Expressway. The proposed cost at

557
00:29:03,573 --> 00:29:06,973
Speaker 2: the moment, can you believe this fifteen billion to eighteen billion.

558
00:29:07,213 --> 00:29:10,133
Speaker 2: Wayne Brown isn't happy, thinks it's way too expensive and

559
00:29:10,173 --> 00:29:12,133
Speaker 2: there should be other options looked at to try and

560
00:29:12,173 --> 00:29:15,973
Speaker 2: reduce that cost. But the government has signaled the idea

561
00:29:15,973 --> 00:29:19,053
Speaker 2: of toll roads and of course road user charges, increasing

562
00:29:19,093 --> 00:29:21,213
Speaker 2: toll roads and road user changes to help pay for

563
00:29:21,253 --> 00:29:23,653
Speaker 2: some of this infrastructure. They say, we need what do

564
00:29:23,733 --> 00:29:25,533
Speaker 2: you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

565
00:29:25,533 --> 00:29:27,133
Speaker 2: that number? Ted? How are you?

566
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Speaker 15: Yeah?

567
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Speaker 16: Good day mate. I just want to just you're earlier

568
00:29:35,693 --> 00:29:41,013
Speaker 16: on you mentioned about the walk with the new motorway there.

569
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Speaker 2: Yep, the poohoy to walk with you.

570
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Speaker 16: Yeah, being told well, when they when they when they

571
00:29:48,053 --> 00:29:51,613
Speaker 16: were building that and they were discussing tolls, it was

572
00:29:51,653 --> 00:29:55,253
Speaker 16: a big steak kicked up about about tolling it, and

573
00:29:55,293 --> 00:29:57,053
Speaker 16: they said, no, no, we're going to drop the toll.

574
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Speaker 16: We won't toll it. The tolls that you're paying are

575
00:30:00,613 --> 00:30:05,053
Speaker 16: basically from over were to the tunnel, and but by

576
00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:08,453
Speaker 16: as der fault because you drive straight onto the new motorway,

577
00:30:08,893 --> 00:30:14,933
Speaker 16: everyone thinks that the motorway is told so, and then

578
00:30:14,973 --> 00:30:19,813
Speaker 16: the proposal to toll the new motorway nor I think

579
00:30:19,893 --> 00:30:24,333
Speaker 16: is wrong because if they want to toll the new

580
00:30:24,373 --> 00:30:28,133
Speaker 16: motorway going north, then they must start having a look

581
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Speaker 16: as told in the Holiday Highway going South, HM the

582
00:30:31,733 --> 00:30:35,093
Speaker 16: bomb Bays, the Tower po and Rhode Vegas.

583
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean that's that's the question, Ted, I mean,

584
00:30:37,933 --> 00:30:40,733
Speaker 2: would you would you be opposed to that? And to

585
00:30:40,813 --> 00:30:43,773
Speaker 2: come back and just clarify my position on that is

586
00:30:43,773 --> 00:30:47,453
Speaker 2: that you look at international city, say Sydney for example,

587
00:30:47,933 --> 00:30:50,493
Speaker 2: told up the Wazoo. There's so many tolls in and

588
00:30:50,533 --> 00:30:53,493
Speaker 2: out of that city and there's not too many people

589
00:30:53,573 --> 00:30:55,613
Speaker 2: grizzling about. That is some of the Texas are coming

590
00:30:55,613 --> 00:30:59,053
Speaker 2: through insane. And that's the same in pretty much any

591
00:30:59,093 --> 00:31:01,893
Speaker 2: major city around the world that that toll roads and

592
00:31:02,053 --> 00:31:06,293
Speaker 2: sections of toll roads are not uncommon. So is that

593
00:31:06,373 --> 00:31:08,853
Speaker 2: something we need to start accepting a bit more here

594
00:31:08,853 --> 00:31:11,613
Speaker 2: in New Zealand that, like you say, there may be

595
00:31:11,653 --> 00:31:14,093
Speaker 2: sections on this new new toll road, so you pay

596
00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,373
Speaker 2: for the first section and if if you stop off

597
00:31:16,413 --> 00:31:18,573
Speaker 2: and walk worth then you don't pay any more. But

598
00:31:18,613 --> 00:31:20,773
Speaker 2: if you carry on, then you pay a little bit

599
00:31:20,773 --> 00:31:22,413
Speaker 2: more per section that you go through.

600
00:31:23,773 --> 00:31:25,613
Speaker 16: Yeah, but I think you know they've got to be

601
00:31:25,653 --> 00:31:27,333
Speaker 16: they've got to make it your new form. If they're

602
00:31:27,373 --> 00:31:30,293
Speaker 16: going to toll the toll that the new road going

603
00:31:30,373 --> 00:31:34,613
Speaker 16: up to Ponger eight, then they definitely must look a

604
00:31:34,733 --> 00:31:37,813
Speaker 16: toll in everything that goes south from the Bombay's.

605
00:31:37,453 --> 00:31:41,173
Speaker 2: South would you before that, Ted, just on that question.

606
00:31:42,373 --> 00:31:45,813
Speaker 16: If it's essential that we have to have tolls to

607
00:31:45,853 --> 00:31:48,933
Speaker 16: pay for the new road and my Callyween needs that

608
00:31:49,093 --> 00:31:51,613
Speaker 16: road north, if that's the only way we're going to

609
00:31:51,693 --> 00:31:54,133
Speaker 16: get it, then we have to accept the toll. But

610
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:57,213
Speaker 16: I would only accept the toll if they agreed to

611
00:31:57,213 --> 00:31:58,653
Speaker 16: toll the roads going south.

612
00:31:59,853 --> 00:32:02,373
Speaker 2: I mean, like anything, Ted, and whether we get this,

613
00:32:02,493 --> 00:32:04,773
Speaker 2: but if they're going to propose more tolls, and I'm

614
00:32:04,813 --> 00:32:08,293
Speaker 2: not necessarily against them, but with the road user charges coming,

615
00:32:08,533 --> 00:32:11,093
Speaker 2: and then it needs to be fear and transparent that

616
00:32:11,333 --> 00:32:13,973
Speaker 2: if we're paying in tolls, then we need a discount

617
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:16,453
Speaker 2: on the road user charges or just get rid of

618
00:32:16,493 --> 00:32:19,053
Speaker 2: tolles altogether and wack it onto the road user charges.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well either way, Yeah, you're you're you're right. And

620
00:32:24,613 --> 00:32:27,813
Speaker 16: the other thing that concerns me is the timeline that

621
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Speaker 16: they've given in this this next bit of road, like

622
00:32:31,893 --> 00:32:37,693
Speaker 16: five years or six years. You know, overseas they build

623
00:32:37,773 --> 00:32:40,533
Speaker 16: motorways a lot faster than what they're doing here. Why

624
00:32:40,533 --> 00:32:44,693
Speaker 16: can't we get overseas you know people then to do it.

625
00:32:44,693 --> 00:32:47,773
Speaker 2: It's a great question. Yeah, there's a few takes coming

626
00:32:48,053 --> 00:32:51,573
Speaker 2: in that regard that. Apparently, and if you've got expertise,

627
00:32:51,613 --> 00:32:53,413
Speaker 2: and this love to hear from you, but apparently, Ted,

628
00:32:53,853 --> 00:32:59,093
Speaker 2: it's our geology, and particularly that stretch of highway, there

629
00:32:59,093 --> 00:33:01,613
Speaker 2: are fault lines to consider, which makes it a lot

630
00:33:01,613 --> 00:33:04,733
Speaker 2: more expensive. As you can imagine too, in case there

631
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Speaker 2: is an earthquake, there are you know, there are unstable,

632
00:33:09,853 --> 00:33:12,973
Speaker 2: unstable parts of of the hills that need to be

633
00:33:13,013 --> 00:33:16,613
Speaker 2: taken into considerations. So that's just what the Texas are saying.

634
00:33:16,613 --> 00:33:19,373
Speaker 2: Whether that is accurate compared to what they do overseas,

635
00:33:19,413 --> 00:33:19,853
Speaker 2: I don't know.

636
00:33:21,973 --> 00:33:22,213
Speaker 5: Yeah.

637
00:33:22,213 --> 00:33:26,093
Speaker 16: Well, you know, the other thing that they're talking about,

638
00:33:26,133 --> 00:33:29,053
Speaker 16: although no one's mentioned it, is the is the railway

639
00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:35,173
Speaker 16: line from mars to Marsden Points. That's that is essential

640
00:33:35,253 --> 00:33:40,013
Speaker 16: for the growth of northern so the Fork can expand

641
00:33:40,213 --> 00:33:43,333
Speaker 16: and create more jobs and people, a lot of more

642
00:33:43,373 --> 00:33:47,853
Speaker 16: people will move north. And what happened the roadway and

643
00:33:47,933 --> 00:33:50,653
Speaker 16: the railway is sufficient, and what.

644
00:33:50,653 --> 00:33:54,573
Speaker 2: Happened to that, Ted, didn't New Zealand first didn't they

645
00:33:54,613 --> 00:33:57,933
Speaker 2: have a suggestion that more should be pumped into that

646
00:33:57,973 --> 00:33:59,533
Speaker 2: particular railway.

647
00:34:00,653 --> 00:34:03,733
Speaker 16: Yeah, I believe they did. I believe they did and

648
00:34:03,813 --> 00:34:06,133
Speaker 16: I think they've done they've done studies on it, and

649
00:34:06,173 --> 00:34:10,253
Speaker 16: they've here marked here it's got a take, but I haven't.

650
00:34:10,652 --> 00:34:14,973
Speaker 16: I haven't actually heard about any action being taken as

651
00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:15,413
Speaker 16: of late.

652
00:34:15,813 --> 00:34:17,813
Speaker 2: It's a good point ed. I'll look into that and

653
00:34:17,853 --> 00:34:19,413
Speaker 2: see if I can get some up to that information.

654
00:34:19,893 --> 00:34:21,613
Speaker 2: But you're spot on. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

655
00:34:21,653 --> 00:34:24,373
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call toll roads in the

656
00:34:24,413 --> 00:34:27,212
Speaker 2: cost of new express ways? Do you think we pay

657
00:34:27,293 --> 00:34:29,813
Speaker 2: too much for infrastructure in New Zealand? Love to hear

658
00:34:29,813 --> 00:34:31,212
Speaker 2: from you. It's eleven to two.

659
00:34:32,253 --> 00:34:35,493
Speaker 1: Matd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh eight

660
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:37,933
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Taylor

661
00:34:38,013 --> 00:34:40,213
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

662
00:34:40,133 --> 00:34:44,253
Speaker 2: Be it is eight minutes to two, kid Sean, how

663
00:34:44,253 --> 00:34:44,533
Speaker 2: are you?

664
00:34:45,973 --> 00:34:46,172
Speaker 6: Yeah?

665
00:34:46,213 --> 00:34:47,893
Speaker 4: Good mate, Tyler.

666
00:34:48,373 --> 00:34:52,133
Speaker 17: I don't think we can actually compare the pricing for

667
00:34:52,213 --> 00:34:56,453
Speaker 17: the wolf Walkworth section with the two next pieces, because

668
00:34:57,093 --> 00:34:59,692
Speaker 17: you've got to get over that Dome Valley and then

669
00:34:59,693 --> 00:35:01,533
Speaker 17: you've got to get over the brend Dowans and there's

670
00:35:01,573 --> 00:35:05,333
Speaker 17: a lot of bridges, a lot of cutings, which is

671
00:35:05,373 --> 00:35:08,813
Speaker 17: going to put the price up. The other thing is

672
00:35:09,013 --> 00:35:12,133
Speaker 17: that anything to do with State Highway one. We've always

673
00:35:12,173 --> 00:35:14,573
Speaker 17: talked about having four lanes from one end of the

674
00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:18,333
Speaker 17: country to the other. You have a change of government

675
00:35:19,893 --> 00:35:22,853
Speaker 17: and I'm looking in the rare vision mirror right now

676
00:35:22,973 --> 00:35:26,933
Speaker 17: at around about just north of Fong Ray. It's still

677
00:35:26,973 --> 00:35:31,293
Speaker 17: not finished after seven years and two governments.

678
00:35:31,893 --> 00:35:36,333
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's the worry, isn't it. I mean yeah,

679
00:35:36,373 --> 00:35:39,173
Speaker 2: I mean spoke first off your spot on on the

680
00:35:39,613 --> 00:35:43,733
Speaker 2: geographical challenges with those two segments going further north, that

681
00:35:43,893 --> 00:35:47,893
Speaker 2: will be from an engineering point of view, a lot

682
00:35:47,893 --> 00:35:50,133
Speaker 2: more technical than pooh hoy to walk with. So that

683
00:35:50,173 --> 00:35:53,053
Speaker 2: clearly comes into the costs, and you know, to make

684
00:35:53,093 --> 00:35:56,093
Speaker 2: sure you've got those safety elements and engineering safety elements

685
00:35:56,133 --> 00:35:59,053
Speaker 2: in place clearly is a big part of it. But

686
00:35:59,173 --> 00:36:02,373
Speaker 2: on the change of government and the cost blowouts, that's

687
00:36:02,373 --> 00:36:04,293
Speaker 2: my biggest worry. And I said a little bit earlier

688
00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:06,413
Speaker 2: on that at the moment it might cost or propose

689
00:36:06,453 --> 00:36:09,413
Speaker 2: to cost eighteen billion. I'd be okay with that if

690
00:36:09,453 --> 00:36:12,253
Speaker 2: they stuck to eighteen billion. But as we know, you

691
00:36:12,333 --> 00:36:15,573
Speaker 2: mentioned that project near where you live, and the Harbor

692
00:36:15,613 --> 00:36:19,533
Speaker 2: Bridge for example, and almost any other major infrastructure project

693
00:36:19,573 --> 00:36:22,853
Speaker 2: I can think of, transmission gully. The blowout is massive

694
00:36:22,933 --> 00:36:26,652
Speaker 2: and quite often because governments change and the government comes

695
00:36:26,653 --> 00:36:28,173
Speaker 2: in and says, well, we don't know if that was

696
00:36:28,213 --> 00:36:29,652
Speaker 2: a good idea. We're just going to go back to

697
00:36:29,653 --> 00:36:32,733
Speaker 2: the drawing board and again and again. It happens. It

698
00:36:32,813 --> 00:36:33,813
Speaker 2: just holds things up.

699
00:36:35,173 --> 00:36:39,213
Speaker 17: Yeah. The other thing is is that you have some

700
00:36:39,333 --> 00:36:42,333
Speaker 17: engineers that design something and when you start actually digging

701
00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:46,813
Speaker 17: the road, it's not quite adequate the engineering, but the

702
00:36:46,853 --> 00:36:54,733
Speaker 17: contractors are building it to the engineers specification. Now, my

703
00:36:54,853 --> 00:36:59,093
Speaker 17: old man used to be a Ministry of Works highway

704
00:36:59,213 --> 00:37:04,053
Speaker 17: construction supervisor. Now he told me back in the day

705
00:37:04,213 --> 00:37:06,212
Speaker 17: before they had all the diggers and everything that they've

706
00:37:06,253 --> 00:37:10,933
Speaker 17: got today, they could only build three kilometers of new

707
00:37:11,053 --> 00:37:17,013
Speaker 17: road every year as a crew. There's sections of road

708
00:37:17,253 --> 00:37:20,893
Speaker 17: just south of Verderua that my dad made when I

709
00:37:20,933 --> 00:37:24,133
Speaker 17: was ten years old that needs to reseal. There aren't

710
00:37:24,133 --> 00:37:28,493
Speaker 17: anybody potholes in it because they built it properly. And

711
00:37:28,533 --> 00:37:32,693
Speaker 17: as the other gentleman who said earlier, Ministry of Works

712
00:37:33,893 --> 00:37:39,653
Speaker 17: built it to the high specification at the minimum cost

713
00:37:39,773 --> 00:37:42,173
Speaker 17: because they don't have to make.

714
00:37:42,053 --> 00:37:47,093
Speaker 2: A profit, which is part Sorry you carry on, mate.

715
00:37:48,653 --> 00:37:54,053
Speaker 17: When the government made these changes to our corporate side,

716
00:37:54,173 --> 00:37:57,172
Speaker 17: like the Ministry works and things like that to make

717
00:37:57,213 --> 00:38:02,133
Speaker 17: them make a profit. They don't exist today. But what

718
00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:05,173
Speaker 17: it should have been, and what I always thought it

719
00:38:05,213 --> 00:38:08,973
Speaker 17: should be, is that those government departments should have been

720
00:38:09,813 --> 00:38:14,413
Speaker 17: made to work like a normal business as far as

721
00:38:17,373 --> 00:38:20,893
Speaker 17: not making a profit, but working in in a profitable

722
00:38:20,973 --> 00:38:24,693
Speaker 17: manner and not having to actually return money back to

723
00:38:24,733 --> 00:38:27,733
Speaker 17: the government, or if they did, it should be returned

724
00:38:27,933 --> 00:38:32,252
Speaker 17: back into the slush fund, if you know what I mean.

725
00:38:34,693 --> 00:38:38,453
Speaker 17: But the other thing is that we need to actually

726
00:38:38,493 --> 00:38:41,413
Speaker 17: just keep on working. You know, why aren't they doing

727
00:38:41,413 --> 00:38:46,493
Speaker 17: the te row section right now? Once you've got all

728
00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:50,733
Speaker 17: the machinery gathered and the people gathered, what's happened to

729
00:38:50,733 --> 00:38:52,933
Speaker 17: all those walk with people? They've all gone, The machines

730
00:38:52,933 --> 00:38:57,293
Speaker 17: have all been sold off. You actually have to reinvest

731
00:38:57,653 --> 00:38:58,453
Speaker 17: and start again.

732
00:38:58,853 --> 00:39:01,053
Speaker 2: Ye spot on, And you're making some good points. Sean,

733
00:39:01,613 --> 00:39:04,573
Speaker 2: thank you very much for giving me a buzz. And

734
00:39:04,773 --> 00:39:06,373
Speaker 2: he is right, doesn't he? I mean, look when it

735
00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:09,213
Speaker 2: comes to the operation and when we're building these big

736
00:39:09,293 --> 00:39:12,493
Speaker 2: infrastructure projects, as he says, once a project is completed,

737
00:39:12,813 --> 00:39:15,933
Speaker 2: the equipment gets sold off and the work has moved

738
00:39:15,973 --> 00:39:18,093
Speaker 2: on or indeed laid off and some of them go

739
00:39:18,213 --> 00:39:20,573
Speaker 2: back overseas. So there's got to be a little bit

740
00:39:20,573 --> 00:39:25,693
Speaker 2: more consistency, doesn't there. And perhaps God forbid the idea

741
00:39:25,773 --> 00:39:28,053
Speaker 2: of having them work seven days on rotating shifts. That

742
00:39:28,053 --> 00:39:29,813
Speaker 2: would get stuff done, wouldn't it. We're going to carry

743
00:39:29,813 --> 00:39:32,053
Speaker 2: this on after two o'clock because a lot of people

744
00:39:32,093 --> 00:39:33,133
Speaker 2: want to have a chat about it. Oh w eight

745
00:39:33,213 --> 00:39:35,013
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

746
00:39:35,133 --> 00:39:37,773
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two is the text number. New Sport and

747
00:39:37,853 --> 00:39:40,333
Speaker 2: weather coming up. Stay right here back very.

748
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Speaker 1: Shortly, talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor

749
00:39:46,013 --> 00:39:48,613
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons us dogs.

750
00:39:48,333 --> 00:39:52,293
Speaker 2: They'd be very good afternoon toire. Welcome back into the program.

751
00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:54,853
Speaker 2: Great to have your company as always. Hope you're having

752
00:39:54,853 --> 00:39:56,893
Speaker 2: a good Monday afternoon. We're going to carry on our

753
00:39:56,933 --> 00:40:01,933
Speaker 2: discussion about this proposed Auckland to Northland Expressway, the proposed

754
00:40:02,013 --> 00:40:06,253
Speaker 2: cost anyway. Currently it's predicted to cost between fifteen to

755
00:40:06,333 --> 00:40:09,533
Speaker 2: eighteen billion dollars. Wayne brown mayor Wayne Brownie is not

756
00:40:09,613 --> 00:40:12,613
Speaker 2: happy about that cost. He thinks it should be far cheaper,

757
00:40:12,853 --> 00:40:15,053
Speaker 2: and he's given some context on how much this is

758
00:40:15,093 --> 00:40:18,053
Speaker 2: going to cost per kilometer so he thinks under that

759
00:40:18,373 --> 00:40:22,013
Speaker 2: costing all that budget, it's it's going to cost around

760
00:40:22,053 --> 00:40:24,773
Speaker 2: two hundred to two hundred and forty million per kilometer,

761
00:40:25,133 --> 00:40:28,333
Speaker 2: and that compares with seventy three million per kilometer for

762
00:40:28,413 --> 00:40:31,293
Speaker 2: the poh Hooy to walk Worth Highway. And as you

763
00:40:31,293 --> 00:40:33,133
Speaker 2: can remember, there was a lot of grumbles and a

764
00:40:33,133 --> 00:40:35,172
Speaker 2: lot of outrage at how much that was going to cost.

765
00:40:35,413 --> 00:40:37,373
Speaker 2: And I've just been doing some research in the break

766
00:40:37,373 --> 00:40:41,493
Speaker 2: as well transmission Gully again another expressway where there was

767
00:40:41,533 --> 00:40:44,293
Speaker 2: a big cost blowout from around eight hundred and fifty

768
00:40:44,333 --> 00:40:47,413
Speaker 2: million dollars to one point twenty five billion dollars which

769
00:40:47,493 --> 00:40:49,613
Speaker 2: upset a lot of people. And I've just done the

770
00:40:49,893 --> 00:40:52,773
Speaker 2: mass on that. So one point two billion over twenty

771
00:40:52,893 --> 00:40:55,893
Speaker 2: seven kilometers for the transmission gully works out at forty

772
00:40:55,893 --> 00:40:59,333
Speaker 2: six million dollars per kilometer. So how in the hell

773
00:40:59,453 --> 00:41:02,453
Speaker 2: are they getting to two hundred million dollars per kilometer

774
00:41:02,733 --> 00:41:05,013
Speaker 2: for this proposed highway? Can you get your thoughts? So

775
00:41:05,053 --> 00:41:06,973
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

776
00:41:07,053 --> 00:41:09,373
Speaker 2: nine two ninety two. And we're all also talking about

777
00:41:09,453 --> 00:41:11,533
Speaker 2: toll roads. Do we need to accept that is the

778
00:41:11,573 --> 00:41:14,533
Speaker 2: way of new Zealand's future. We've been pretty loath to

779
00:41:14,613 --> 00:41:16,773
Speaker 2: accept the idea of toll roads, but is that the

780
00:41:16,813 --> 00:41:18,333
Speaker 2: only way we're going to be able to pay for

781
00:41:18,373 --> 00:41:21,732
Speaker 2: the infrastructure we need? Love to hear your thoughts, Craig.

782
00:41:23,173 --> 00:41:24,133
Speaker 18: Yeah, good.

783
00:41:24,613 --> 00:41:29,373
Speaker 19: Look I worked in construction for a lifetime and so

784
00:41:29,453 --> 00:41:32,133
Speaker 19: I do understand the costs, and a lot of it

785
00:41:32,253 --> 00:41:34,893
Speaker 19: sort of goes into places that you just can't even imagine.

786
00:41:34,933 --> 00:41:39,812
Speaker 19: They just as the cracks of getting things signed off

787
00:41:40,213 --> 00:41:41,093
Speaker 19: and moving forward.

788
00:41:42,093 --> 00:41:43,453
Speaker 13: Yeah, there is that cost.

789
00:41:44,053 --> 00:41:48,133
Speaker 19: But I'm at the point where I'm absolutely exhausted with

790
00:41:49,053 --> 00:41:55,252
Speaker 19: how crappy roads are that we build, and I think

791
00:41:55,293 --> 00:41:57,813
Speaker 19: it's kind of time to just accept that New Zealanders

792
00:41:57,813 --> 00:41:59,213
Speaker 19: aren't really good at building roads.

793
00:42:00,093 --> 00:42:02,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. Well, I think we've known that for

794
00:42:02,053 --> 00:42:04,533
Speaker 2: a week while, haven't we, Craig, Hopefully maybe not. Maybe

795
00:42:04,533 --> 00:42:05,613
Speaker 2: we refused to accept that.

796
00:42:06,413 --> 00:42:07,053
Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly.

797
00:42:07,093 --> 00:42:09,933
Speaker 19: I mean the Italians do tunneling and have done for

798
00:42:10,133 --> 00:42:12,813
Speaker 19: years both They've dug tunnels through all the mountains that

799
00:42:12,853 --> 00:42:16,533
Speaker 19: we have mountain passes through and everything else. I really

800
00:42:16,653 --> 00:42:21,973
Speaker 19: think we should just go the whole tow road way. Yeah,

801
00:42:22,893 --> 00:42:27,493
Speaker 19: international investment, come in, build those toll roads and do it.

802
00:42:27,813 --> 00:42:32,692
Speaker 19: Hopefully with Chinese. Yeah, like they build amazing roads, they

803
00:42:32,733 --> 00:42:37,373
Speaker 19: build them incredibly quickly. We're just not even in the

804
00:42:37,453 --> 00:42:38,533
Speaker 19: hunt quite frankly.

805
00:42:38,813 --> 00:42:40,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, and why do they do that? I mean it

806
00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:42,773
Speaker 2: sounds like you've looked into it a little bit more

807
00:42:42,973 --> 00:42:46,613
Speaker 2: than I have. Clearly China can can whip up those

808
00:42:46,653 --> 00:42:49,853
Speaker 2: expressways and infrastructure far faster than most people in the world.

809
00:42:49,933 --> 00:42:52,652
Speaker 2: Is it because they've got the expertise, the manpower, or

810
00:42:52,813 --> 00:42:56,013
Speaker 2: as some people have alluded to Craig, maybe their health

811
00:42:56,053 --> 00:42:59,093
Speaker 2: and safety checks are not as rigorous as ours.

812
00:42:59,893 --> 00:43:03,413
Speaker 19: From what I've seen so of my wife's Chinese. So

813
00:43:03,733 --> 00:43:06,493
Speaker 19: you know, I have a lot of insight into Chinese

814
00:43:06,653 --> 00:43:09,692
Speaker 19: and Chinese infrastructure in the way they think. And it's

815
00:43:09,733 --> 00:43:12,973
Speaker 19: a they actually just get the job done really well.

816
00:43:13,493 --> 00:43:15,773
Speaker 19: If they're working in New Zealand, they would still have

817
00:43:15,853 --> 00:43:21,333
Speaker 19: to come under OSH regulations in New Zealand, so and

818
00:43:21,453 --> 00:43:24,133
Speaker 19: I'm more than capable of doing that. I think things

819
00:43:24,173 --> 00:43:26,733
Speaker 19: have changed a lot in construction in China in the

820
00:43:26,813 --> 00:43:32,133
Speaker 19: last fifteen twenty years. But I personally, Hey, if you

821
00:43:32,133 --> 00:43:36,093
Speaker 19: want to charge me for a toll road and I

822
00:43:36,253 --> 00:43:38,653
Speaker 19: know that it's been built really well, I'm happy to

823
00:43:38,693 --> 00:43:44,853
Speaker 19: pay it. Just so tearing her. Give me example, so

824
00:43:45,133 --> 00:43:48,893
Speaker 19: lived them out mong AINNOI had an office outside to

825
00:43:49,013 --> 00:43:53,453
Speaker 19: Pookie and was running backwards and forwards between Tuttingham out

826
00:43:53,453 --> 00:43:58,013
Speaker 19: Long Annoy, backwards and forwards. When that toll road came through.

827
00:43:58,773 --> 00:44:03,453
Speaker 19: That saved me nearly an hour a day. That's huge.

828
00:44:03,733 --> 00:44:06,893
Speaker 19: That's like a And if you've got four or five

829
00:44:06,933 --> 00:44:09,533
Speaker 19: guys in the truck at thirty five bucks an hour

830
00:44:09,933 --> 00:44:13,693
Speaker 19: and you're going back to some forwards, that just that

831
00:44:13,813 --> 00:44:15,013
Speaker 19: becomes massive money.

832
00:44:15,173 --> 00:44:17,333
Speaker 2: So no brainer, isn't it. And what's the cost for

833
00:44:17,453 --> 00:44:19,533
Speaker 2: the tos down down there, Craig.

834
00:44:20,533 --> 00:44:23,293
Speaker 19: I think it's about a dollar eighty or two bucks

835
00:44:23,333 --> 00:44:28,133
Speaker 19: for the procyturny one, right, the one that goes between

836
00:44:28,373 --> 00:44:31,773
Speaker 19: the lakes, just the lakes if you like, an into

837
00:44:32,493 --> 00:44:35,933
Speaker 19: the mount as. I think a dollar, which is probably

838
00:44:35,933 --> 00:44:38,333
Speaker 19: a bit of a ripoff because I've been it's been

839
00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:42,053
Speaker 19: an eighty k road for four or five years. Yeah,

840
00:44:42,093 --> 00:44:45,732
Speaker 19: well they're sharing it, which is like, OK, I'm sure

841
00:44:45,773 --> 00:44:48,133
Speaker 19: they're going to do great things once it's open, but

842
00:44:48,693 --> 00:44:53,013
Speaker 19: all of those things add up to hours and as

843
00:44:53,173 --> 00:44:55,213
Speaker 19: hours that kill companies.

844
00:44:55,333 --> 00:44:58,853
Speaker 2: YEP, I agree with you, Craig. Absolutely. More toll roads

845
00:44:58,853 --> 00:45:00,613
Speaker 2: the better of my eyes, because it's a user pay

846
00:45:00,733 --> 00:45:03,453
Speaker 2: system and it seems fairer. And I've said this before

847
00:45:03,453 --> 00:45:05,613
Speaker 2: and I'll say it again. I don't know why they

848
00:45:05,613 --> 00:45:07,853
Speaker 2: didn't put tolls down in christ Church when they spent

849
00:45:07,933 --> 00:45:11,293
Speaker 2: billion on the ring roads around that city. Beautiful roads

850
00:45:11,373 --> 00:45:13,973
Speaker 2: and fantastic and we needed those down in christ Church.

851
00:45:14,613 --> 00:45:16,533
Speaker 2: But while they didn't, why they didn't put our tolls

852
00:45:16,533 --> 00:45:18,813
Speaker 2: on that, I don't know. And Transmission Gully as well.

853
00:45:18,893 --> 00:45:21,013
Speaker 2: You know you're going to spend billions of dollars on

854
00:45:21,093 --> 00:45:24,813
Speaker 2: these expressways with alternative routes, then it makes sense to

855
00:45:24,853 --> 00:45:26,293
Speaker 2: me to put a toll road on it to help

856
00:45:26,293 --> 00:45:27,613
Speaker 2: pay for it. But what do you say? Oh, eight

857
00:45:27,693 --> 00:45:30,133
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It

858
00:45:30,253 --> 00:45:33,253
Speaker 2: is twelve past two, back very shortly. You're listening to

859
00:45:33,293 --> 00:45:34,413
Speaker 2: News TALKSB.

860
00:45:34,973 --> 00:45:39,573
Speaker 1: WOW your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

861
00:45:39,613 --> 00:45:44,093
Speaker 1: afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News TALKSB.

862
00:45:45,733 --> 00:45:47,653
Speaker 2: For a good afternoons you we're talking about the price

863
00:45:47,733 --> 00:45:50,253
Speaker 2: of our road in infrastructure and toll roads. This is

864
00:45:50,293 --> 00:45:52,173
Speaker 2: on the back of the proposed cost for the Auckland

865
00:45:52,213 --> 00:45:57,853
Speaker 2: and Northland Expressway being between fifteen billion to eighteen billion dollars,

866
00:45:57,853 --> 00:45:59,973
Speaker 2: which is a heck of a lot of money in

867
00:46:00,053 --> 00:46:03,053
Speaker 2: anyone's eyes. Meyr Wayne Brown is not happy with that cost.

868
00:46:03,293 --> 00:46:04,853
Speaker 2: Can you hear from you though, on oh, eight hundred

869
00:46:04,893 --> 00:46:07,253
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty, Because we have been talking about toll

870
00:46:07,333 --> 00:46:10,333
Speaker 2: roads as well, the government did indicate that they are

871
00:46:10,453 --> 00:46:13,533
Speaker 2: looking to potentially have more toll roads. They've opened that

872
00:46:13,653 --> 00:46:17,013
Speaker 2: up to suggestion, along with increased road user charges which

873
00:46:17,053 --> 00:46:19,893
Speaker 2: we know are coming for every vehicle. So what do

874
00:46:19,933 --> 00:46:22,053
Speaker 2: you say to that? Nine two nine two is a

875
00:46:22,093 --> 00:46:24,453
Speaker 2: text number. Here's a text from Paul what says, out

876
00:46:24,493 --> 00:46:27,373
Speaker 2: of curiosity, I'm wondering how you pay four toll roads.

877
00:46:27,413 --> 00:46:29,172
Speaker 2: Do you just get send to bill once a month

878
00:46:29,293 --> 00:46:32,013
Speaker 2: or is it every six months? If it's only going

879
00:46:32,053 --> 00:46:34,013
Speaker 2: to cost two dollars or ten dollars? Do you know

880
00:46:34,093 --> 00:46:37,212
Speaker 2: how it works? It's been a wee while, pul since

881
00:46:37,253 --> 00:46:40,373
Speaker 2: I've gone through a toll road. But effectively it's a

882
00:46:40,373 --> 00:46:43,333
Speaker 2: whole bunch of cameras that get set up. They register

883
00:46:43,413 --> 00:46:45,933
Speaker 2: your license plate number, then you get a wei email

884
00:46:46,173 --> 00:46:49,333
Speaker 2: or a letter in the mail saying that you owe

885
00:46:49,333 --> 00:46:51,093
Speaker 2: so much for the tolls, and then you pay it,

886
00:46:51,533 --> 00:46:52,733
Speaker 2: and if you don't pay it, then you get a

887
00:46:52,773 --> 00:46:55,893
Speaker 2: follow up email, a letter rather saying that you owe

888
00:46:56,053 --> 00:46:59,053
Speaker 2: toll money and you better pay it asap. Rouse there'll

889
00:46:59,053 --> 00:47:01,573
Speaker 2: be fines, but it's a relatively straightforward way to do it.

890
00:47:01,573 --> 00:47:04,172
Speaker 2: You just go online, put in your license plate, figure

891
00:47:04,173 --> 00:47:05,573
Speaker 2: out how much you owe, and then pay it. So

892
00:47:05,693 --> 00:47:08,333
Speaker 2: nice and easy, Bruce, How are you?

893
00:47:09,013 --> 00:47:09,333
Speaker 20: Yeah?

894
00:47:09,373 --> 00:47:13,573
Speaker 21: Pretty good? Because looking at something this is sort of

895
00:47:13,613 --> 00:47:17,093
Speaker 21: public works in the West versus the East. If you

896
00:47:17,133 --> 00:47:22,013
Speaker 21: look at the High Street California Railroad, it was projected

897
00:47:22,053 --> 00:47:24,893
Speaker 21: to cost thirty three billion. It's now up to what

898
00:47:25,093 --> 00:47:28,613
Speaker 21: eighty eight two, one hundred and twenty seven and it

899
00:47:28,733 --> 00:47:29,933
Speaker 21: still hadn't carried a passenger.

900
00:47:29,973 --> 00:47:30,533
Speaker 13: Was supposed to be.

901
00:47:30,533 --> 00:47:31,493
Speaker 21: Finished last year.

902
00:47:32,333 --> 00:47:32,493
Speaker 5: Yeah.

903
00:47:32,533 --> 00:47:34,853
Speaker 21: Another one is the New York Subway. They're going to

904
00:47:34,853 --> 00:47:37,573
Speaker 21: spend sixty eight billion doing up their subway, but a

905
00:47:37,653 --> 00:47:40,573
Speaker 21: few lifts and on things, and probably some new rolling stock.

906
00:47:41,453 --> 00:47:45,373
Speaker 21: But that's sixty eight billion. But here's a real cruncher

907
00:47:45,413 --> 00:47:48,453
Speaker 21: for you people out there. Brazil to Peru or Peru

908
00:47:48,573 --> 00:47:51,293
Speaker 21: to Brazil's four and a half thousand kilometers and the

909
00:47:51,413 --> 00:47:55,172
Speaker 21: Giants are going to build the railroad through there for seventy.

910
00:47:54,853 --> 00:47:57,093
Speaker 2: Billion, seventy billion and figure that.

911
00:47:57,053 --> 00:48:00,293
Speaker 21: One out seventy billions and they'll stick to that price.

912
00:48:00,773 --> 00:48:03,093
Speaker 21: The problem is we've got people who are just totally

913
00:48:03,093 --> 00:48:06,133
Speaker 21: bloody and competence. I mean, you can't turn around and

914
00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:08,453
Speaker 21: say the ground's bad because why didn't they use do

915
00:48:08,653 --> 00:48:10,053
Speaker 21: test and balls beforehand?

916
00:48:10,093 --> 00:48:10,773
Speaker 9: They always do?

917
00:48:11,253 --> 00:48:14,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true, But why why bruce? You know, because

918
00:48:14,933 --> 00:48:16,772
Speaker 2: because a lot of people have teached through and saying

919
00:48:16,853 --> 00:48:18,773
Speaker 2: China can do it for a peasance, and they're very

920
00:48:18,773 --> 00:48:21,493
Speaker 2: good at building infrastructure and roads and bring them in

921
00:48:21,533 --> 00:48:24,133
Speaker 2: here and let them sort out our roads for us.

922
00:48:24,493 --> 00:48:27,772
Speaker 2: But clearly there's a reason why they can undercut many

923
00:48:27,813 --> 00:48:32,253
Speaker 2: others in the world, including in California in the US.

924
00:48:32,333 --> 00:48:34,453
Speaker 21: Let's start. You know, you hear all this thing about

925
00:48:34,493 --> 00:48:37,053
Speaker 21: Rory eth nettals. China's got the edge on the market.

926
00:48:37,133 --> 00:48:39,453
Speaker 21: And the reason is for all the brain dead ones

927
00:48:39,453 --> 00:48:43,813
Speaker 21: out there, they have a huge steel industry. The rearers

928
00:48:43,853 --> 00:48:46,933
Speaker 21: are coming out of the slag from that steel, so

929
00:48:46,973 --> 00:48:51,293
Speaker 21: they've got one step already done free. There's little things

930
00:48:51,333 --> 00:48:54,813
Speaker 21: like that. Their power price is about half hours, and

931
00:48:55,093 --> 00:48:58,453
Speaker 21: you know they're not subsidizing or anything. You know, Trump

932
00:48:58,493 --> 00:49:02,053
Speaker 21: Trumps decided to go for fossil fuels. China's gone for renewables.

933
00:49:02,093 --> 00:49:04,893
Speaker 21: They've got massive solar farms and that over there. But

934
00:49:05,173 --> 00:49:08,253
Speaker 21: I just think the people we got running the place, well,

935
00:49:08,373 --> 00:49:11,413
Speaker 21: give you an example. You know, christ Church, yep, yep,

936
00:49:11,453 --> 00:49:13,652
Speaker 21: I cross the street Semral Road. There was a bus

937
00:49:13,733 --> 00:49:15,533
Speaker 21: stop there, so they took out this bus stop and

938
00:49:15,573 --> 00:49:18,693
Speaker 21: they put in this eighty three thousand dollars one that

939
00:49:18,893 --> 00:49:21,173
Speaker 21: maximum of two people could sit down and maybe you

940
00:49:21,293 --> 00:49:23,533
Speaker 21: pushed here on the other side. Yeah, but they had

941
00:49:23,533 --> 00:49:27,453
Speaker 21: a solar panel and a solar you know usp power

942
00:49:27,493 --> 00:49:29,772
Speaker 21: supply on it. Yes, and that was the eighty three

943
00:49:29,813 --> 00:49:30,653
Speaker 21: green come.

944
00:49:30,533 --> 00:49:35,013
Speaker 2: On and that was.

945
00:49:36,453 --> 00:49:38,733
Speaker 21: I asked for a breakdown of the costs and they

946
00:49:38,773 --> 00:49:39,533
Speaker 21: won't give it out.

947
00:49:39,613 --> 00:49:42,813
Speaker 2: Why not, Well, because they've got something to hide there,

948
00:49:42,853 --> 00:49:44,533
Speaker 2: don't that. I think you know? It was it was

949
00:49:44,573 --> 00:49:48,293
Speaker 2: pretty well recognized. Yeah, yeah, Bruce, nice to hear from you.

950
00:49:48,333 --> 00:49:50,213
Speaker 2: We're getting some feedback there. But you're quite right on

951
00:49:50,213 --> 00:49:52,813
Speaker 2: that stop down in christ Church. But more and more

952
00:49:52,813 --> 00:49:54,652
Speaker 2: people are tixing through and saying, hey, just get the

953
00:49:55,013 --> 00:49:58,772
Speaker 2: Chinese to come in here and build the roads. So look,

954
00:49:58,773 --> 00:50:01,413
Speaker 2: if you've got experience on why they can undercut. Bruce

955
00:50:01,453 --> 00:50:03,773
Speaker 2: mention a couple of elements there. But if you've got

956
00:50:03,813 --> 00:50:05,692
Speaker 2: any experience O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty,

957
00:50:05,733 --> 00:50:09,172
Speaker 2: And that's a wise idea. I mean, certainly getting their

958
00:50:09,213 --> 00:50:12,093
Speaker 2: expertise and if we can cut costs, that sounds like

959
00:50:12,453 --> 00:50:16,573
Speaker 2: a good option. But in terms of investing here in

960
00:50:16,613 --> 00:50:20,253
Speaker 2: our infrastructure and potentially owning some of those toll roads,

961
00:50:20,333 --> 00:50:21,733
Speaker 2: I mean, does that go a but far? Love to

962
00:50:21,733 --> 00:50:24,093
Speaker 2: hear your thoughts. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty and

963
00:50:24,253 --> 00:50:26,053
Speaker 2: just out of interest while we're having this chat, I

964
00:50:26,053 --> 00:50:29,053
Speaker 2: did actually get a missed a phone call from China

965
00:50:29,573 --> 00:50:32,373
Speaker 2: at a quarter to two, so perhaps they've been listening

966
00:50:32,493 --> 00:50:34,133
Speaker 2: and they want to put a bit in. Can you

967
00:50:34,173 --> 00:50:35,893
Speaker 2: get your thoughts? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

968
00:50:35,933 --> 00:50:40,652
Speaker 2: is that number to call? It is twenty past two.

969
00:50:41,773 --> 00:50:45,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

970
00:50:45,213 --> 00:50:47,093
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

971
00:50:48,253 --> 00:50:50,973
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon, Chue. We're just going to take a

972
00:50:50,973 --> 00:50:53,853
Speaker 2: couple more calls on this topic because in a after

973
00:50:53,893 --> 00:50:55,293
Speaker 2: the headlines we are going to have a chat about

974
00:50:55,333 --> 00:50:57,652
Speaker 2: Dame Nolen Tata. In that whole segment but we have

975
00:50:57,733 --> 00:51:01,613
Speaker 2: been talking about toll roads and the cost of building infrastructure,

976
00:51:01,653 --> 00:51:03,732
Speaker 2: primarily roads in New Zealand. This is on the back

977
00:51:03,773 --> 00:51:07,652
Speaker 2: of the proposed Auckland and Northland Expressway, expected to cost

978
00:51:07,693 --> 00:51:12,093
Speaker 2: between fifth dean to eighteen billion dollars, which is incredibly

979
00:51:12,213 --> 00:51:15,373
Speaker 2: expensive in anyone's eyes. Get a grunt, good A how

980
00:51:15,373 --> 00:51:17,613
Speaker 2: are you going Thailand? I'm very good, nice a chat.

981
00:51:18,173 --> 00:51:22,733
Speaker 7: And getting me The one thing that I experienced as

982
00:51:22,893 --> 00:51:28,493
Speaker 7: on real estate, we were when the Eastern corridors was

983
00:51:28,973 --> 00:51:31,213
Speaker 7: being proposed and everyhow that obviously don't buying up all

984
00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:34,813
Speaker 7: the land through there, and in having to talk with

985
00:51:34,853 --> 00:51:38,133
Speaker 7: owners who weren't being brought out what we're selling to

986
00:51:38,173 --> 00:51:41,653
Speaker 7: try and get them to understand that the value wasn't

987
00:51:41,813 --> 00:51:45,453
Speaker 7: quite as strong as perhaps the recent sales were shown

988
00:51:46,053 --> 00:51:48,933
Speaker 7: from those from those purchases. And I can tell you

989
00:51:48,973 --> 00:51:50,773
Speaker 7: I did out of interest. I sort of looked at

990
00:51:51,013 --> 00:51:53,652
Speaker 7: right down the corridor there and sort of added up

991
00:51:54,093 --> 00:51:56,573
Speaker 7: and it was it was multiple millions of dollars for

992
00:51:56,613 --> 00:52:00,053
Speaker 7: the actual land acquisition. And it would be interesting if

993
00:52:00,053 --> 00:52:03,773
Speaker 7: they would put into those figures what their a, what

994
00:52:03,813 --> 00:52:08,613
Speaker 7: their land acquisition is and obviously where they're doing big infrastructure,

995
00:52:09,133 --> 00:52:11,413
Speaker 7: as the chap was saying earlier, the huge cost that

996
00:52:11,453 --> 00:52:13,973
Speaker 7: you just don't see. Yeah, it's kind of like you know,

997
00:52:14,013 --> 00:52:16,413
Speaker 7: having two houses, one one sitting on swamply and a

998
00:52:16,493 --> 00:52:19,493
Speaker 7: one that's on firm ground and there's there's two hundred

999
00:52:19,533 --> 00:52:22,133
Speaker 7: k and foundations that no one ever sees, and it

1000
00:52:22,173 --> 00:52:24,933
Speaker 7: doesn't change the value of the two properties, but it's.

1001
00:52:24,773 --> 00:52:26,973
Speaker 2: A cost spot on. I mean, I think it was

1002
00:52:27,093 --> 00:52:29,093
Speaker 2: Mike who was calling before I mentioned, as you did,

1003
00:52:29,173 --> 00:52:32,453
Speaker 2: grant that eastern busway, and when he mentioned the the

1004
00:52:32,533 --> 00:52:35,453
Speaker 2: acquisition of those properties and three billion dollars to three

1005
00:52:35,573 --> 00:52:38,013
Speaker 2: k like yours thinking okay, there's a good chunk of

1006
00:52:38,053 --> 00:52:40,973
Speaker 2: that that was just acquiring those properties and land.

1007
00:52:41,693 --> 00:52:45,252
Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely, and I mean, look it's you know, we're

1008
00:52:45,373 --> 00:52:47,133
Speaker 7: we're never going to get away from it. The problem

1009
00:52:47,173 --> 00:52:49,413
Speaker 7: that we have is it's never going to be cheaper

1010
00:52:49,413 --> 00:52:51,973
Speaker 7: than it is to build it now. And we have

1011
00:52:52,253 --> 00:52:56,013
Speaker 7: a history of sort of short sightedness or budget consciousness

1012
00:52:56,093 --> 00:52:58,933
Speaker 7: is probably how our politicians would like to view it

1013
00:52:59,493 --> 00:53:02,093
Speaker 7: in relation to putting our infrastructure in. And no sooner

1014
00:53:02,133 --> 00:53:03,773
Speaker 7: have we put something in than we look at it

1015
00:53:03,813 --> 00:53:07,853
Speaker 7: and go, oh, that's actually being overwhelmed already yeah. And

1016
00:53:08,053 --> 00:53:10,093
Speaker 7: you know, you look back in the days of and

1017
00:53:10,453 --> 00:53:13,453
Speaker 7: I wasn't even around obviously when when Robbie was the

1018
00:53:14,453 --> 00:53:16,493
Speaker 7: mayor of Auckland, but he was wanting to put in

1019
00:53:16,693 --> 00:53:19,733
Speaker 7: the train system all that time ago. And you imagine

1020
00:53:19,773 --> 00:53:20,653
Speaker 7: if we've done it, then.

1021
00:53:20,693 --> 00:53:23,733
Speaker 2: Oh man, you're back yet. You know that breaks a

1022
00:53:23,733 --> 00:53:25,732
Speaker 2: lot of people's heart when you look at four point

1023
00:53:25,813 --> 00:53:28,493
Speaker 2: five billion dollars in counting for the CRL and you're right,

1024
00:53:28,853 --> 00:53:31,333
Speaker 2: when it was first loaded, how many decades ago it

1025
00:53:31,373 --> 00:53:32,573
Speaker 2: was was many decades ago.

1026
00:53:33,093 --> 00:53:34,533
Speaker 7: I wasn't even I don't even think I was a

1027
00:53:34,573 --> 00:53:37,093
Speaker 7: twinkle of my mom and dad's eye when he when

1028
00:53:37,093 --> 00:53:40,013
Speaker 7: he first talked about that. But you know, and and

1029
00:53:40,053 --> 00:53:43,453
Speaker 7: the problem with the CURL is that's not counting the

1030
00:53:43,933 --> 00:53:47,212
Speaker 7: huge cost to all the businesses that have failed due

1031
00:53:47,253 --> 00:53:53,813
Speaker 7: to the massive upheaval and disruption. So there's the hidden

1032
00:53:53,853 --> 00:53:56,973
Speaker 7: cost and all of that as well. Yeah, but it's

1033
00:53:57,253 --> 00:54:00,652
Speaker 7: the the It would be interesting to see what would

1034
00:54:00,733 --> 00:54:05,893
Speaker 7: come from discussions with the likes of the Chinese. The

1035
00:54:06,133 --> 00:54:08,413
Speaker 7: only thing, and I've not I've not looked into it

1036
00:54:08,413 --> 00:54:14,293
Speaker 7: it as to as to how the builds perform in

1037
00:54:14,373 --> 00:54:18,093
Speaker 7: other countries, but I do know that there is a

1038
00:54:18,213 --> 00:54:20,212
Speaker 7: term that is used, which is it does not it's

1039
00:54:20,253 --> 00:54:26,413
Speaker 7: not a you know, certainly not saying it's not a

1040
00:54:26,413 --> 00:54:30,653
Speaker 7: good one. They call it tofu buildings and that's where

1041
00:54:31,053 --> 00:54:33,853
Speaker 7: there's been shortcuts made in the material is used and

1042
00:54:33,893 --> 00:54:36,933
Speaker 7: the dwellings and everything are just not standing up to

1043
00:54:37,493 --> 00:54:39,213
Speaker 7: the elements.

1044
00:54:39,413 --> 00:54:39,853
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1045
00:54:39,893 --> 00:54:42,333
Speaker 7: So you have to be mindful, wouldn't you as to?

1046
00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:43,973
Speaker 7: And you have to be a heck of a lot

1047
00:54:44,013 --> 00:54:47,933
Speaker 7: of oversight on what products are being used.

1048
00:54:47,973 --> 00:54:50,093
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely, And that's the crux of it, isn't

1049
00:54:50,093 --> 00:54:53,453
Speaker 2: grant that Bruce before who talked about the four thousand

1050
00:54:53,573 --> 00:54:56,893
Speaker 2: kilometer road that the Chinese are building in Brazil, And

1051
00:54:57,013 --> 00:54:59,652
Speaker 2: this isn't knocking Brazil, but I can almost guarantee that

1052
00:54:59,693 --> 00:55:02,413
Speaker 2: their health and safety standards are not as rigorous as ours.

1053
00:55:02,733 --> 00:55:07,013
Speaker 2: And that's that's that's the balance, is that we don't

1054
00:55:07,053 --> 00:55:10,653
Speaker 2: want roads that are going to collapse under us. And

1055
00:55:10,893 --> 00:55:14,733
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it. Our geology through fault lines

1056
00:55:15,013 --> 00:55:18,533
Speaker 2: and difficult terrain. Whether you want the Chinese to come

1057
00:55:18,573 --> 00:55:20,133
Speaker 2: in and undercut and say we can do it for

1058
00:55:20,213 --> 00:55:23,733
Speaker 2: half the price, and it's going to be engineer you know,

1059
00:55:23,813 --> 00:55:26,813
Speaker 2: flawed from an engineering point of view, that's not what

1060
00:55:27,133 --> 00:55:27,813
Speaker 2: anybody wants.

1061
00:55:28,413 --> 00:55:31,413
Speaker 7: No, No, that's absolutely right. And you know there is

1062
00:55:31,453 --> 00:55:35,533
Speaker 7: always easy say the balance between cost, cost and safety

1063
00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:40,373
Speaker 7: or caliber of bill versus you know, you can always

1064
00:55:40,413 --> 00:55:42,333
Speaker 7: make something cheaper, but it doesn't mean that it's better.

1065
00:55:42,453 --> 00:55:45,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, spot on, grant, thank you very much for giving

1066
00:55:45,173 --> 00:55:47,893
Speaker 2: me a buzz. Great thoughts. That is where we'll leave it,

1067
00:55:47,973 --> 00:55:51,013
Speaker 2: I think. But to sum up, a lot of people

1068
00:55:51,053 --> 00:55:54,093
Speaker 2: are bulking at the idea of fifteen billion to eighteen

1069
00:55:54,133 --> 00:55:58,013
Speaker 2: billion dollars for this new expressway from Auckland to Northland,

1070
00:55:58,773 --> 00:56:02,413
Speaker 2: and it is an eye watering amount of money. But

1071
00:56:02,893 --> 00:56:05,613
Speaker 2: it seems like if we want one hundred and ten

1072
00:56:05,813 --> 00:56:09,172
Speaker 2: kilometer expressways and we want safe and we want them

1073
00:56:09,213 --> 00:56:11,812
Speaker 2: to be resilient, that might be the price we pay,

1074
00:56:12,173 --> 00:56:14,773
Speaker 2: as long as it can be agreed to through multiple

1075
00:56:14,813 --> 00:56:18,053
Speaker 2: different governments, right, because that's always where these things fall apart.

1076
00:56:18,253 --> 00:56:20,733
Speaker 2: If someone floats an idea, they start the process and

1077
00:56:20,773 --> 00:56:23,613
Speaker 2: they spend the money on the consultation and the plans,

1078
00:56:23,853 --> 00:56:27,253
Speaker 2: maybe even start construction, and somebody else comes through and says, no,

1079
00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,573
Speaker 2: that was a terrible idea. We've got a better idea,

1080
00:56:30,173 --> 00:56:32,213
Speaker 2: and then stop it, and it just ends up costing

1081
00:56:32,253 --> 00:56:35,093
Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars. Anyway, good discussion coming up

1082
00:56:35,413 --> 00:56:37,333
Speaker 2: after the headlines. I want to have a chat about

1083
00:56:37,413 --> 00:56:41,293
Speaker 2: Dame Nolene Tardor. She's obviously broken her silence for the

1084
00:56:41,333 --> 00:56:44,893
Speaker 2: first time today and she started off with a chat

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00:56:44,893 --> 00:56:48,173
Speaker 2: with Mike Hoskin, and here's a little bit of that interview.

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00:56:48,453 --> 00:56:51,373
Speaker 10: Are you, as you speak to us this morning, constrained

1087
00:56:51,413 --> 00:56:53,693
Speaker 10: in any way in what you're able to say?

1088
00:56:54,813 --> 00:56:59,693
Speaker 11: Yes, I am. I am constrained, mainly because of what's

1089
00:56:59,733 --> 00:57:03,413
Speaker 11: been signed, and I really want to honor that in

1090
00:57:03,453 --> 00:57:06,973
Speaker 11: regards to the integrity that I have, but also the

1091
00:57:07,013 --> 00:57:10,053
Speaker 11: balancing act. I suppose that I have to be able

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00:57:10,053 --> 00:57:12,173
Speaker 11: to put my truth out there. I don't want it

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00:57:12,213 --> 00:57:15,133
Speaker 11: to be the shortest reinstatement, but I also need to

1094
00:57:15,133 --> 00:57:16,213
Speaker 11: put my truth out there.

1095
00:57:16,373 --> 00:57:19,613
Speaker 10: Were you unfairly treated.

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Speaker 11: The process that I needed to go through, what to

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00:57:21,893 --> 00:57:25,133
Speaker 11: get lawyers involved. They've been able to work through a

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00:57:25,253 --> 00:57:29,413
Speaker 11: process and negotiate with NET for New Zealand to be reinstated,

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00:57:30,133 --> 00:57:33,853
Speaker 11: hence me being here. Obviously there are other options that

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00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:36,933
Speaker 11: could have been taken, which is a legal option, but

1101
00:57:37,013 --> 00:57:38,773
Speaker 11: to be honest, I didn't want to go there.

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00:57:38,893 --> 00:57:41,373
Speaker 10: Was it simply a case of some players didn't like

1103
00:57:41,453 --> 00:57:43,813
Speaker 10: the way you treated them, They complained and that was

1104
00:57:43,853 --> 00:57:46,333
Speaker 10: the process in real simple terms.

1105
00:57:46,413 --> 00:57:49,813
Speaker 11: I don't know, and I can't tell you, and that's

1106
00:57:49,893 --> 00:57:53,733
Speaker 11: my truth. I actually don't know, but I can tell

1107
00:57:53,773 --> 00:57:58,893
Speaker 11: you that I am one hundred percent open. It's one

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00:57:58,933 --> 00:58:01,173
Speaker 11: I wonder if I'm going to be honest of listening

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00:58:01,173 --> 00:58:05,693
Speaker 11: to players, listening to anybody as to what concerns they have,

1110
00:58:06,173 --> 00:58:10,053
Speaker 11: and then looking for solutions to make it better. That's

1111
00:58:10,093 --> 00:58:12,693
Speaker 11: all I can say in that matter. But the question

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00:58:12,813 --> 00:58:14,053
Speaker 11: that you've asked, I don't know.

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00:58:14,613 --> 00:58:16,693
Speaker 10: But when you say you don't know, when you sat

1114
00:58:16,733 --> 00:58:18,613
Speaker 10: down with the management of the board of Netball in

1115
00:58:18,613 --> 00:58:20,773
Speaker 10: New Zealand and they were standing you down, they were

1116
00:58:20,813 --> 00:58:21,973
Speaker 10: standing you down for what.

1117
00:58:24,773 --> 00:58:26,293
Speaker 11: My truth is, I don't know.

1118
00:58:27,213 --> 00:58:30,293
Speaker 2: So if you heard that interview with Michael's a great interview,

1119
00:58:30,413 --> 00:58:34,173
Speaker 2: but clearly she is hamstrung with what she can say

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00:58:34,173 --> 00:58:36,173
Speaker 2: about the whole saga. There's a lot of this is

1121
00:58:36,213 --> 00:58:39,053
Speaker 2: my truth, and I don't know. I don't know how

1122
00:58:39,133 --> 00:58:41,333
Speaker 2: much of her truth where she was actually allowed to

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00:58:41,373 --> 00:58:43,813
Speaker 2: say to Mike this morning. But love to get your

1124
00:58:43,853 --> 00:58:47,053
Speaker 2: thoughts on this, because clearly the silver Fern's reputation has

1125
00:58:47,093 --> 00:58:50,373
Speaker 2: taken a hammer in New Zealand, Netbull his reputation has

1126
00:58:50,413 --> 00:58:53,693
Speaker 2: taken a hammering. Sponsors are and easy fans I think

1127
00:58:53,773 --> 00:58:58,093
Speaker 2: are still confused. So has this been the worst PR

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00:58:58,213 --> 00:59:01,013
Speaker 2: disaster in New Zealand sport history? Oh, eight hundred and

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00:59:01,013 --> 00:59:02,973
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. And if you want to have a

1130
00:59:03,053 --> 00:59:05,573
Speaker 2: chat about Dame no Lean Tatoa and how she's been

1131
00:59:05,573 --> 00:59:08,973
Speaker 2: treated by all means, come on through and where too from? Now?

1132
00:59:09,053 --> 00:59:10,933
Speaker 2: What do you want to see? Does this whole thing

1133
00:59:11,093 --> 00:59:13,093
Speaker 2: end now that she comes back into the fold and

1134
00:59:13,133 --> 00:59:16,373
Speaker 2: she goes back to resuming coaching duties and we pretend

1135
00:59:16,413 --> 00:59:19,293
Speaker 2: like nothing happened, or would you actually want some more

1136
00:59:19,333 --> 00:59:23,053
Speaker 2: investigation into this not a witch hunt trying to find

1137
00:59:23,053 --> 00:59:26,333
Speaker 2: the players, but perhaps some questions about how management dealt

1138
00:59:26,333 --> 00:59:28,493
Speaker 2: with this whole saga. Love to have a chat with you.

1139
00:59:28,533 --> 00:59:30,453
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

1140
00:59:30,493 --> 00:59:31,893
Speaker 2: to call if you want to send a texture more

1141
00:59:31,893 --> 00:59:34,573
Speaker 2: than welcome? Nine to ninety two and if emails your

1142
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Speaker 2: thing Tyler atnewstalk zb dot co dot enz headlines with

1143
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Speaker 2: Raylene coming up, It's twenty nine to.

1144
00:59:40,173 --> 00:59:46,733
Speaker 1: Three US talks Evvy headlines with blue bubble taxis.

1145
00:59:46,853 --> 00:59:50,053
Speaker 15: It's no trouble with a blue bubble, Public Trust says.

1146
00:59:50,133 --> 00:59:55,093
Speaker 15: Applications for access and key we Save funds, including forged paperwork,

1147
00:59:55,413 --> 00:59:57,453
Speaker 15: which is to pop up a few times a year,

1148
00:59:57,853 --> 00:59:59,533
Speaker 15: now come in every day.

1149
01:00:00,053 --> 01:00:00,453
Speaker 1: In Land.

1150
01:00:00,493 --> 01:00:04,813
Speaker 15: Revenue data show September was a record month for financial hardship,

1151
01:00:04,893 --> 01:00:09,053
Speaker 15: withdrawals from more than five and a half thousand people. Meanwhile,

1152
01:00:09,133 --> 01:00:12,333
Speaker 15: ki we Save, a fund manager Simplicity, is launching a

1153
01:00:12,373 --> 01:00:15,853
Speaker 15: company called Infra Kiwi, aiming to raise billions to buy

1154
01:00:15,893 --> 01:00:21,613
Speaker 15: completed energy, water, transport, data and social infrastructure. A twenty

1155
01:00:21,653 --> 01:00:24,733
Speaker 15: seven year old woman's been found dead by searchers after

1156
01:00:24,853 --> 01:00:27,933
Speaker 15: failing to return from a tramping expedition at the West

1157
01:00:27,933 --> 01:00:32,213
Speaker 15: Coast's Fox River. Police have increased their presence in central

1158
01:00:32,253 --> 01:00:35,453
Speaker 15: Wellington after a shotgun was fired on Brooklyn Road on

1159
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Speaker 15: Sunday afternoon and a person leapt from a balcony.

1160
01:00:39,533 --> 01:00:40,253
Speaker 2: Rocket Lab is.

1161
01:00:40,253 --> 01:00:43,973
Speaker 15: Preparing for its seventy sixth launch later this week to

1162
01:00:44,013 --> 01:00:48,533
Speaker 15: put a Japanese earth observation satellite into a low earth orbit.

1163
01:00:49,533 --> 01:00:53,253
Speaker 15: What Lester Faygannuku's ex factor talent tells us about his

1164
01:00:53,333 --> 01:00:56,133
Speaker 15: All Blacks prospects You can see the full analysis at

1165
01:00:56,213 --> 01:00:59,413
Speaker 15: ends at Herald Premium. Now back to Matteth and Tyler Adams.

1166
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Rollie Rayleane, sorry, and we are

1167
01:01:02,933 --> 01:01:06,373
Speaker 2: talking about the Dame Nolene Tartows situation. So the civil

1168
01:01:06,373 --> 01:01:09,013
Speaker 2: fans coach at the center of the storm. That's rock.

1169
01:01:09,013 --> 01:01:12,253
Speaker 2: New Zealand Netball has, for the first time, after weeks

1170
01:01:12,253 --> 01:01:15,573
Speaker 2: of silence, spoken publicly this morning, first with Mike Hosking.

1171
01:01:15,813 --> 01:01:17,853
Speaker 2: And what she said, or perhaps what she didn't say,

1172
01:01:17,853 --> 01:01:21,253
Speaker 2: has only deepened the mystery. She's clearly hamstrung by what

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01:01:21,413 --> 01:01:23,733
Speaker 2: she can share. There was a lot of discussion about

1174
01:01:23,773 --> 01:01:26,933
Speaker 2: her truth and then a lot of I don't know

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01:01:26,973 --> 01:01:29,973
Speaker 2: where I cannot say. So how do you feel about

1176
01:01:29,973 --> 01:01:31,773
Speaker 2: this whole saga? And where to from here?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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01:01:31,933 --> 01:01:33,893
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to calling?

1179
01:01:34,053 --> 01:01:36,613
Speaker 2: Is this up there with one of the worst PR

1180
01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:40,173
Speaker 2: disasters of all time when it comes to New Zealand sport. Trevor,

1181
01:01:40,253 --> 01:01:41,333
Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon?

1182
01:01:41,893 --> 01:01:42,173
Speaker 1: Okay?

1183
01:01:42,173 --> 01:01:42,773
Speaker 5: You made right?

1184
01:01:42,933 --> 01:01:44,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good good.

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01:01:45,773 --> 01:01:47,893
Speaker 5: It's an incredible story. Really, I mean all the sport

1186
01:01:47,933 --> 01:01:51,053
Speaker 5: that I follow, you know, there's a dispute between players

1187
01:01:51,053 --> 01:01:54,613
Speaker 5: and coaches. The coach's history. I mean, we've had a

1188
01:01:54,613 --> 01:01:56,973
Speaker 5: couple of hope ifil Ones. We had her was he

1189
01:01:57,013 --> 01:02:00,013
Speaker 5: coaching a lady's hockey team a few years but Mark

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01:02:00,093 --> 01:02:02,693
Speaker 5: Hager and he just took the girls right up to

1191
01:02:02,733 --> 01:02:05,853
Speaker 5: competing in tournament finals and that and a couple of

1192
01:02:05,853 --> 01:02:07,973
Speaker 5: players got a bit upset and he lost his job.

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01:02:07,973 --> 01:02:10,413
Speaker 5: We had this hiking guy. His was a little bit

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01:02:10,533 --> 01:02:14,053
Speaker 5: more involved. But what staggers me about it is, you know,

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01:02:14,493 --> 01:02:18,493
Speaker 5: you know, these are the players that apparently their mental

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01:02:18,493 --> 01:02:21,773
Speaker 5: health is at risk. So what about the mental health

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01:02:21,773 --> 01:02:25,413
Speaker 5: that Nolan's been put through? Really? I mean they, I

1198
01:02:25,453 --> 01:02:27,453
Speaker 5: mean they've come out and said that they you know,

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Speaker 5: she doesn't know how to handle players. You know, she

1200
01:02:29,853 --> 01:02:31,813
Speaker 5: doesn't know the right thing to say, so they've put

1201
01:02:31,893 --> 01:02:35,773
Speaker 5: her through this washing machine. Really, I mean, she's someone

1202
01:02:35,773 --> 01:02:37,373
Speaker 5: who's had to put up with it all and face

1203
01:02:37,413 --> 01:02:37,653
Speaker 5: it all.

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01:02:38,013 --> 01:02:40,093
Speaker 18: And where's the weak players?

1205
01:02:40,293 --> 01:02:43,173
Speaker 22: Are they just hiding and whimpering or once It's a

1206
01:02:43,173 --> 01:02:45,813
Speaker 22: good question, Trevor, and I agree with you.

1207
01:02:45,893 --> 01:02:47,653
Speaker 2: I mean, on the mental health side of things, You're

1208
01:02:47,693 --> 01:02:50,253
Speaker 2: quite right. Dame Nolean has been put through the absolute

1209
01:02:50,293 --> 01:02:52,413
Speaker 2: ringer and still continues to be the very fact that

1210
01:02:52,453 --> 01:02:55,693
Speaker 2: she can't say exactly what she wants to say because

1211
01:02:55,733 --> 01:02:58,173
Speaker 2: her lawyers have said it's unwise and she's got to

1212
01:02:58,173 --> 01:03:01,333
Speaker 2: go back into this organization at some stage and try

1213
01:03:01,373 --> 01:03:04,053
Speaker 2: and rebuild from there. But you're right, I mean, when

1214
01:03:04,093 --> 01:03:09,453
Speaker 2: it comes to international elite sport is tough and it's

1215
01:03:09,453 --> 01:03:13,453
Speaker 2: pretty telling the number of legendary netballers who came out

1216
01:03:13,493 --> 01:03:18,653
Speaker 2: in support of Dame Knowles and in that environment, I

1217
01:03:18,693 --> 01:03:21,893
Speaker 2: mean no doubt she sounds like she can be quite

1218
01:03:21,933 --> 01:03:25,893
Speaker 2: a straight up and down coach, but also, as some

1219
01:03:25,973 --> 01:03:30,053
Speaker 2: of those former players said, she would change depending on

1220
01:03:30,093 --> 01:03:32,973
Speaker 2: who the player was. She was very skilled at understanding

1221
01:03:33,013 --> 01:03:35,493
Speaker 2: exactly what each player needed to get the best out

1222
01:03:35,493 --> 01:03:37,813
Speaker 2: of them. But let's you know, let's not forget this

1223
01:03:37,933 --> 01:03:41,573
Speaker 2: is international elite sport. This isn't high school, This isn't

1224
01:03:42,093 --> 01:03:44,973
Speaker 2: you know, this isn't primary school. You don't need to

1225
01:03:45,053 --> 01:03:47,093
Speaker 2: treat or you shouldn't need to treat these players with

1226
01:03:47,213 --> 01:03:50,333
Speaker 2: kid gloves. This is the elite, and no doubt about it,

1227
01:03:50,333 --> 01:03:54,453
Speaker 2: there's mental health aspects within that. But that I mean,

1228
01:03:54,493 --> 01:03:57,053
Speaker 2: everybody was let down in the scenario. It seems like Trevor,

1229
01:03:57,173 --> 01:03:58,813
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the players were let down.

1230
01:03:58,853 --> 01:03:59,693
Speaker 2: She was let down.

1231
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but these players, I mean I do find a

1232
01:04:02,853 --> 01:04:06,573
Speaker 5: little bit strange at Nolling after three months of discussion,

1233
01:04:06,813 --> 01:04:09,013
Speaker 5: she doesn't actually know who what I stood down for.

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01:04:09,333 --> 01:04:10,493
Speaker 5: I find that a little bit hard.

1235
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Speaker 13: To believe it.

1236
01:04:10,973 --> 01:04:13,213
Speaker 5: Maybe you can't say, but you know, I've been all

1237
01:04:13,253 --> 01:04:16,493
Speaker 5: those net ballers who got a bit upset with if

1238
01:04:16,493 --> 01:04:18,853
Speaker 5: that's what happened, you know, they'll tell us that they're

1239
01:04:18,893 --> 01:04:21,213
Speaker 5: mentally strong to get to the top. And so if

1240
01:04:21,213 --> 01:04:24,453
Speaker 5: they think they're mentally strong people to get to the top

1241
01:04:24,493 --> 01:04:27,253
Speaker 5: of sport, what's happened to them? As I say, you know,

1242
01:04:27,933 --> 01:04:32,533
Speaker 5: they're putting all in through a bit of you know, personalment,

1243
01:04:32,613 --> 01:04:35,613
Speaker 5: maybe not embarrassment, but a personal bit of personal strive.

1244
01:04:36,333 --> 01:04:38,453
Speaker 5: And where are they Why are they hiding? Why don't

1245
01:04:38,493 --> 01:04:39,733
Speaker 5: they come in and show us so strong?

1246
01:04:39,773 --> 01:04:39,973
Speaker 6: Now?

1247
01:04:40,373 --> 01:04:42,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all good questions. And that's the hard

1248
01:04:42,573 --> 01:04:44,973
Speaker 2: part about this, Trevor, is there's still so many of

1249
01:04:45,053 --> 01:04:47,133
Speaker 2: those questions and none of them have been answered. And

1250
01:04:47,213 --> 01:04:50,373
Speaker 2: I think for me that the biggest cock up here.

1251
01:04:50,493 --> 01:04:53,173
Speaker 2: And it's always the way when it comes to pr disasters,

1252
01:04:53,213 --> 01:04:55,613
Speaker 2: whether it's in sport or otherwise, you never stay silent.

1253
01:04:55,653 --> 01:04:57,293
Speaker 2: You've got to front up and you've got to give

1254
01:04:57,333 --> 01:05:01,013
Speaker 2: as much information as you can, even in these employment disputes.

1255
01:05:01,253 --> 01:05:02,773
Speaker 2: It is such a cop out to say it's an

1256
01:05:02,813 --> 01:05:05,533
Speaker 2: employment dispute. We can't say anymore. You've got to be

1257
01:05:05,613 --> 01:05:09,213
Speaker 2: more upfront because in those shadows, then the room and

1258
01:05:09,893 --> 01:05:13,093
Speaker 2: everything else starts to erupt. And as you say, then

1259
01:05:13,213 --> 01:05:15,613
Speaker 2: poor old Dame Nolen gets put through the ringers. Some

1260
01:05:15,653 --> 01:05:17,933
Speaker 2: of the players who might have not have said anything

1261
01:05:17,973 --> 01:05:20,333
Speaker 2: get put through the ringer. And Netball New Zealand is

1262
01:05:20,333 --> 01:05:21,933
Speaker 2: an organization, isn't tatters.

1263
01:05:22,453 --> 01:05:24,213
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, look, I just got to give it to

1264
01:05:24,373 --> 01:05:26,333
Speaker 5: Dame Noling. I mean, I am a Boomers, I'm a

1265
01:05:26,373 --> 01:05:29,013
Speaker 5: little bit older school. But to me, she's just showing

1266
01:05:29,133 --> 01:05:32,413
Speaker 5: a strong, strong, strong woman who can put up with

1267
01:05:32,453 --> 01:05:36,573
Speaker 5: a bit of pressure. The ones that have complained and hide,

1268
01:05:36,893 --> 01:05:40,173
Speaker 5: you know, I think they're showing sort of a little

1269
01:05:40,213 --> 01:05:42,733
Speaker 5: bit no fortitude really, And I've got to give it

1270
01:05:42,773 --> 01:05:44,973
Speaker 5: to Grace and the wiki too, because she was pretty

1271
01:05:45,013 --> 01:05:47,973
Speaker 5: gutsy by coming out and saying what she thought, and

1272
01:05:48,013 --> 01:05:50,853
Speaker 5: good honor, that's what she thought, and good honor. Where's

1273
01:05:50,893 --> 01:05:53,573
Speaker 5: the ones that moaned? They're hiding, they're crying.

1274
01:05:53,893 --> 01:05:56,173
Speaker 2: Yep, And that's what it becomes it becomes a witch hunt,

1275
01:05:56,213 --> 01:05:58,573
Speaker 2: and then you have to have the likes of Grace

1276
01:05:58,613 --> 01:06:00,973
Speaker 2: coming forward to say it wasn't me, and that's where

1277
01:06:01,013 --> 01:06:03,373
Speaker 2: the problem starts. Whichever, thank you very much for your thoughts.

1278
01:06:03,413 --> 01:06:05,493
Speaker 2: So eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

1279
01:06:05,533 --> 01:06:09,973
Speaker 2: to call your thoughts on the Dame Nolean tart or saga.

1280
01:06:10,093 --> 01:06:12,773
Speaker 2: If you listen to her interview with Mike this morning,

1281
01:06:12,933 --> 01:06:15,373
Speaker 2: keen to get your thoughts. We're too from here. If

1282
01:06:15,373 --> 01:06:18,373
Speaker 2: she comes back into the fault, and it certainly sounds

1283
01:06:18,413 --> 01:06:20,893
Speaker 2: like she will be very soon, how do you rebuild

1284
01:06:20,933 --> 01:06:23,773
Speaker 2: from here? And what needs to happen going forward? Does

1285
01:06:23,773 --> 01:06:26,533
Speaker 2: there need to be a wider investigation into the management

1286
01:06:26,573 --> 01:06:28,413
Speaker 2: of netball New Zealand? What would you like to see?

1287
01:06:28,613 --> 01:06:30,973
Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call

1288
01:06:31,013 --> 01:06:33,053
Speaker 2: back in the mom It is twenty to three.

1289
01:06:34,093 --> 01:06:37,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

1290
01:06:37,373 --> 01:06:40,293
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

1291
01:06:40,333 --> 01:06:41,773
Speaker 1: Afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be very good. Afternoon, Jill. It is seventeen to

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Speaker 2: three and we're talking about the Dame no Lean Total saga. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: she broke her silence as much as she could this

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Speaker 2: morning when she was speaking to Mike Coskin on his

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Speaker 2: show in a very in depth interview, and it was

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Speaker 2: a great interview from Mike, but it was clear there

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Speaker 2: was a lot of things that she just couldn't say.

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Speaker 2: She was advised by her lawyers. Clearly she said many

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Speaker 2: times that it is my truth and I need to

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Speaker 2: get my truth out. But you also said I don't

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Speaker 2: know a lot of times. So where too from here?

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Speaker 2: And how do you feel about Netball New Zealand as

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Speaker 2: an organization? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 2: that number to call? Chris good afternoon.

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Speaker 13: To you good afternoon.

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Speaker 6: Firstly, just to say that if a complaint was raised

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Speaker 6: about her and they're not going to open up who

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Speaker 6: said what, board or the chief executive of Netball New

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Speaker 6: Zealand protecting the staff in general from disclosing the information,

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Speaker 6: because it seems to me that it's unfair, unjustified disadvantage

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Speaker 6: in an employment scenario because firstly, she hasn't ever been

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Speaker 6: told what and what has happened anyway, And the other

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Speaker 6: thing is she's not allowed to say anything, so practically

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Speaker 6: it's an unlawful case that's been dragged on and nothing's

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Speaker 6: come to or anyone's hearing anything about what's going on.

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Speaker 6: So she should be contenslated and should go through the

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Speaker 6: legal either. But because there was no justification on the

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Speaker 6: on what happened and who complained, and somebody's protecting someone

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Speaker 6: else from releasing the information and she's just being left to,

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Speaker 6: you know, drift in the wind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, Chris, sometimes it is there's legitimate reasons

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Speaker 2: for saying it's an employment issue, because that can get

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Speaker 2: murky and make things even even worse if you give

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Speaker 2: out the wrong information. But you're right that in most

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Speaker 2: of those issues where it is an employment issue, least

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Speaker 2: given the right to get the information on the allegations

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Speaker 2: against you. And that's not to say you can then

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Speaker 2: take that publicly yourself, but as you know.

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Speaker 6: You can, as I think you can, you do have

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Speaker 6: runs to take it further.

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Speaker 2: Now that is true. You can do whatever you like.

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Speaker 2: But whether that works well for you in the long run, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but that might go against you an employment quarter off,

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Speaker 2: it goes that far. But you're right, I mean the

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Speaker 2: very fact that that Dame no Lean, as she mentioned

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Speaker 2: in that interview with Mike. She doesn't know the allegations,

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Speaker 2: and she doesn't know the players, and she doesn't know

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Speaker 2: if there is an investigation.

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Speaker 6: And that's not great because when she goes back she

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Speaker 6: has to you know, she's probably gonna well with me,

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Speaker 6: I feel very embarrassed. I'd be probably be untenable to

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Speaker 6: build another relationship with the employer you well, faced off

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Speaker 6: with them the first place. In regard to the allegations.

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Speaker 23: I would actually take the money and more because it's

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Speaker 23: not I mean not not that she will, but but

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Speaker 23: it just seems that, you know, is it going to

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Speaker 23: make any.

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Speaker 20: Difference?

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Speaker 6: You know, Well, she goes back and maybe she says

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Speaker 6: something or whatever. Well, yes, then maybe it might happen again.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, But well, you're it's pretty awkward, isn't

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Speaker 2: it without knowing the allegations and who the players are

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Speaker 2: to be able to go back in there. And it

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Speaker 2: sounds like that's exactly what she wants to do, is

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Speaker 2: to go back in there and get back to coaching

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Speaker 2: and getting those skills to the top of their game.

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Speaker 2: But to do that, her ability to do that, I

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Speaker 2: think you're right, has been compromised and all those questions

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Speaker 2: are answered, how do you do that? How do you

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Speaker 2: do that in any organization, let alone elite sport. That's

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Speaker 2: going to be incredibly tough for her. And on the

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Speaker 2: idea of compensation, I agree with you. But perhaps that

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Speaker 2: was an option that was available to her to walk

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Speaker 2: away and get a so called golden handshake, and she

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Speaker 2: chose not to do that because she is dedicated to

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Speaker 2: this team.

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Speaker 6: Well, just finally, I just want to say that if

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Speaker 6: I wish her the best, but I would say there's

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Speaker 6: plenty of bigger opportunities for her, and she's got the

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Speaker 6: experience and skills. I'm sure someone else will treat her better.

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Speaker 6: She was to look at the avenues for another career elsewhere,

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Speaker 6: better than what she's got. But I mean, okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 6: good luck for her and you know, ambitions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would say, Chris, you're quite right, she'll

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Speaker 2: do very well whatever she decides to do. But that

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Speaker 2: would be a real shame for New Zealand and for

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Speaker 2: our silver Ferns. Hey, I appreciate you cool, thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. Keen to get your views on this. One

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Speaker 2: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to

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Speaker 2: call if you want to send a text nine two

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Speaker 2: ninety two. There's plenty coming through this one, says get A.

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Speaker 2: We don't actually know if she isn't aware why she

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Speaker 2: seems to be advised to be pretty quiet or so

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Speaker 2: she hasn't taken it further legally at the stage because

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Speaker 2: she clearly wants to carry on as a coach. If

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Speaker 2: she decides to part ways, there may be a very

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Speaker 2: different story from her side. And thank you for that text.

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Speaker 2: That is right in some elements of what you're saying

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Speaker 2: in that text. But Mike did ask her straight up

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Speaker 2: whether she knew what the allegations were, and she said,

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Speaker 2: I quote, I don't know, and then followed on that

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Speaker 2: answer with some legal word salad, as she was forced

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Speaker 2: to do in those interviews. But clearly there are some

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Speaker 2: elements in this whole saga that she generally doesn't know.

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Speaker 2: Can you get your thoughts though? Oh, e one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is that number got to take

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Speaker 2: a break back very shortly. It is eleven to three.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk,

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Speaker 1: Sa'd be.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon she So we're talking about the Dame

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Speaker 2: Noel Lean's saga with New Zealand Netbull. She has broken

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Speaker 2: her silence today as much as she can do. A

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Speaker 2: couple of emails coming through, this one from Morang Tyler.

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Speaker 2: It was really odds how Dame Nolean had to interrupt

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Speaker 2: that interview with Mike. Very strange. Indeed, yes it was.

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Speaker 2: And it seems like she was ushered away to do

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Speaker 2: a we interview with Breakfast TV in that middle of

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Speaker 2: that chat with Mike, and then obviously she came back

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Speaker 2: with Mike later in his program, but Mike got her

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Speaker 2: on first. So very very strange. She was ushered away

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Speaker 2: right in the middle of it. You don't see that often,

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Speaker 2: but certainly Mike got the scoop on on Dame Nolean

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Speaker 2: first thing this morning. And this email says, this is

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Speaker 2: from Chris. The whole saga is awful, but Dame Nolean

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Speaker 2: will be compensated and most likely including for hurt and humiliation,

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Speaker 2: even though it hasn't gone through to the courts. This

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Speaker 2: is why she has to say silent and her truths

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Speaker 2: would have been approved in the mediation process. I feel

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Speaker 2: for her, but she also has the role she wants.

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Speaker 2: She decided to stay and she will have a decent

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Speaker 2: work of money out of this. I just hope the

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Speaker 2: amount is disclosed to the public and the months. Again,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for those emails. If you want

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Speaker 2: to seend one of those. Tyler at news Talk zb

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Speaker 2: dot co dot nz is the address.

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Speaker 6: Hi Lily, Yeah, Hi Tyler.

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Speaker 24: I watched both interviews and I'm still confused. But anyway,

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Speaker 24: at the end of the day, what's happened to Deb Fuller?

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Speaker 24: The assistant never heard anything about her?

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Speaker 2: Well, she was probably told to stay low as well,

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Speaker 2: wasn't she.

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Speaker 16: She's it It was.

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Speaker 24: Only Dame Nolan that was accused of this. Well, normally

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Speaker 24: the assistant coach would take over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the unusual part where there

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Speaker 2: was confusion over who was going to step into that

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Speaker 2: coaching role while this whole saga played out. And you're right,

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Speaker 2: the assistant coach was there ready to go. And this

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Speaker 2: is where it gets tricky, isn't it, Lily, Because I

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Speaker 2: don't want to venture or make assumptions about why that

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Speaker 2: was the case, because clearly it is still so murky

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Speaker 2: and still so mysterious. But if she wasn't there ready

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Speaker 2: to step up into that role on a temporary basis.

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Speaker 2: Then perhaps you know she she, in one way or

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Speaker 2: the other was was involved in what was going on.

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Speaker 24: Well, that's right, but we've never heard mention of her,

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Speaker 24: have we?

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Speaker 2: No, and without it's.

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Speaker 24: Been very quiet, nushush about it.

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Speaker 2: And how do you feel about that, Lily? Does that

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Speaker 2: make you feel, you know, a bit disappointed in netball

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Speaker 2: New Zealand.

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Speaker 24: Well, I've got my theories about who complained and there

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Speaker 24: was quite a few of them stood down on their

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Speaker 24: own accord before before they before the test started, So

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Speaker 24: I've got my I've got my questions about why they

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Speaker 24: stood down, you know. But no, I still love the

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Speaker 24: netball and hopefully do you know if they're going to

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Speaker 24: be televising the series in England and Scotland?

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Speaker 2: I would very much hope. So I believe they will be. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm sure they will be because Sky I

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Speaker 2: believe do have the rights. They managed to sort out

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Speaker 2: that deal today. No, perhaps, Look, I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: give you an answer because I don't want to give

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Speaker 2: you a wrong answer, but I will find out over

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Speaker 2: the news and just let people know where they can

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Speaker 2: watch that.

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Speaker 24: Oh good, because it's on Sunday, isn't it. They play Scotland.

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Speaker 2: Yep, correct, Yeah, all right, Lily, nice to chat with you.

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Speaker 2: I will find out that information. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: give you a wrong stare on that, but I'll find

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Speaker 2: that out very shortly. In the meantime, Jane, we've got

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Speaker 2: about ninety seconds. How are you? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 18: Thank you.

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Speaker 12: I would just like to say that all this is

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Speaker 12: going on and I totally support Noline Tyroor and what

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Speaker 12: she's done and how she's had the belief in the

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Speaker 12: Silver Sands that she can carry on coaching. What I

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Speaker 12: think is quite important is that she needs to get

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Speaker 12: to get on the Northern Tour and be able to

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Speaker 12: coach Sarah along with Deb Fuller, because if she doesn't,

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Speaker 12: that means that next.

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Speaker 5: Year is going to be even more even more of a.

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Speaker 12: It's just a sending the other two coaches is just

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Speaker 12: a non event. She needs she needs to be there.

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Speaker 12: She needs to be coaching them on this trip so

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Speaker 12: that she can she can put into systems that she needs,

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Speaker 12: they need to get the experience that she wants them

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Speaker 12: to have through her. And you know, it's all very

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Speaker 12: well talking about the board and the CEO and the

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Speaker 12: toxic environment that's within the New Zealand netball at the moment

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Speaker 12: that Nathan Limb has has reported on.

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Speaker 11: But that's that's.

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Speaker 5: Going to happen.

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Speaker 18: But at the end, at the.

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Speaker 12: Moment, she needs to get to Scotland and England and

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Speaker 12: I don't know who.

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Speaker 1: Is able to do that.

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Speaker 12: Obviously the board aren't going to do it, and I

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Speaker 12: don't know if there's anyone above the board that can

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Speaker 12: ensure she gets here and takes over because what is

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Speaker 12: happening at the moment with the tests is basically a

1506
01:18:01,053 --> 01:18:01,772
Speaker 12: waste of time.

1507
01:18:01,973 --> 01:18:04,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, spot on, Jane, and I think a lot of

1508
01:18:04,173 --> 01:18:07,652
Speaker 2: people will agree with you that. In the you know,

1509
01:18:07,732 --> 01:18:10,813
Speaker 2: the notion of the girls doing their best and performing,

1510
01:18:10,893 --> 01:18:13,692
Speaker 2: get Dame that Nolen over there and deal with us

1511
01:18:13,692 --> 01:18:15,612
Speaker 2: down the track. We're going to keep this going after

1512
01:18:15,692 --> 01:18:16,293
Speaker 2: three o'clock.

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01:18:16,372 --> 01:18:22,173
Speaker 1: News is next, your new home in stle and Entertaining Talk.

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01:18:22,412 --> 01:18:26,492
Speaker 1: It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

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01:18:26,612 --> 01:18:30,572
Speaker 22: Sebby, Very good afternoon, ju welcome back into the show

1516
01:18:30,652 --> 01:18:33,933
Speaker 22: to six past three, and we've been having a discussion

1517
01:18:34,253 --> 01:18:38,892
Speaker 22: about the Netball New Zealand saga involving Dame Nolen Totaler,

1518
01:18:39,173 --> 01:18:41,253
Speaker 22: the Civil Fans coach, of course, at the center of

1519
01:18:41,293 --> 01:18:43,532
Speaker 22: the storm that's rocked the organization.

1520
01:18:43,732 --> 01:18:46,932
Speaker 2: After weeks of silence. She spoke publicly this morning with

1521
01:18:47,133 --> 01:18:49,932
Speaker 2: Mike Hoskin, and here's a little bit of what she

1522
01:18:49,933 --> 01:18:50,452
Speaker 2: had to say.

1523
01:18:50,612 --> 01:18:53,492
Speaker 10: Are you, as you speak to us this morning, constrained

1524
01:18:53,532 --> 01:18:55,812
Speaker 10: in any way in what you're able to say?

1525
01:18:56,973 --> 01:18:57,173
Speaker 13: Yes?

1526
01:18:57,253 --> 01:19:02,572
Speaker 11: I am. I am constrained, mainly because of what's been signed,

1527
01:19:02,772 --> 01:19:06,053
Speaker 11: and I really want to honor that in regards to

1528
01:19:06,053 --> 01:19:09,932
Speaker 11: the integrity that I have, but also the balancing act

1529
01:19:10,013 --> 01:19:12,452
Speaker 11: I suppose that I have to be able to put

1530
01:19:12,492 --> 01:19:14,532
Speaker 11: my truth out there. I don't want it to be

1531
01:19:14,612 --> 01:19:17,532
Speaker 11: the shortest reinstatement, but I also need to put my

1532
01:19:17,612 --> 01:19:21,412
Speaker 11: truth out there. Were you unfairly treated the process that

1533
01:19:21,492 --> 01:19:25,293
Speaker 11: I needed to go through, what to get lawyers involved.

1534
01:19:25,532 --> 01:19:28,573
Speaker 11: They've been able to work through a process and negotiate

1535
01:19:28,612 --> 01:19:32,692
Speaker 11: with NET for New Zealand to be reinstated, hence me

1536
01:19:32,853 --> 01:19:36,372
Speaker 11: being here. Obviously there are other options that could have

1537
01:19:36,412 --> 01:19:39,692
Speaker 11: been taken, which is a legal option, but to be honest,

1538
01:19:39,732 --> 01:19:40,732
Speaker 11: I didn't want to go there.

1539
01:19:41,013 --> 01:19:43,532
Speaker 10: Was it simply a case of some players didn't like

1540
01:19:43,612 --> 01:19:45,973
Speaker 10: the way you treated them, they complained, and that was

1541
01:19:45,973 --> 01:19:46,532
Speaker 10: the process.

1542
01:19:46,772 --> 01:19:51,213
Speaker 11: In simple terms, I don't know and I can't tell you,

1543
01:19:51,293 --> 01:19:55,053
Speaker 11: and that's my truth. I actually don't know, but I

1544
01:19:55,093 --> 01:19:59,492
Speaker 11: can tell you that I am one hundred percent open.

1545
01:20:00,452 --> 01:20:02,612
Speaker 11: It's one I wonder if I'm going to be honest

1546
01:20:02,692 --> 01:20:06,732
Speaker 11: of listening to players, listening to anybody as to what

1547
01:20:06,933 --> 01:20:11,053
Speaker 11: concerns they have, and then looking for solutions to make

1548
01:20:11,093 --> 01:20:13,732
Speaker 11: it better. That's all I can say in that matter.

1549
01:20:13,812 --> 01:20:16,213
Speaker 11: But the question that you've asked, I don't know.

1550
01:20:16,772 --> 01:20:18,892
Speaker 10: But when you say you don't know, when you sat

1551
01:20:18,933 --> 01:20:20,892
Speaker 10: down with the management of the board of Netball New

1552
01:20:20,973 --> 01:20:23,253
Speaker 10: Zealand and they were standing you down, they were standing

1553
01:20:23,333 --> 01:20:24,173
Speaker 10: you down for what.

1554
01:20:26,933 --> 01:20:28,452
Speaker 11: My truth is, I don't know.

1555
01:20:29,652 --> 01:20:34,293
Speaker 2: So that is the interview with Dame Nolen Toto this morning.

1556
01:20:34,333 --> 01:20:36,133
Speaker 2: And as you can see, she I mean, she said

1557
01:20:36,133 --> 01:20:38,732
Speaker 2: it well. Mike asked her, are you constrained. She said, yes,

1558
01:20:38,772 --> 01:20:41,452
Speaker 2: I am. She wanted to talk about her truth, but

1559
01:20:41,492 --> 01:20:43,732
Speaker 2: there was a lot of I don't know's there and

1560
01:20:43,812 --> 01:20:47,772
Speaker 2: that is the reality of the situation, as straight from

1561
01:20:47,772 --> 01:20:51,013
Speaker 2: the horse's mouth that she said. There was no formal investigation,

1562
01:20:51,133 --> 01:20:55,733
Speaker 2: no clear communication in the process had been in her words, horrific.

1563
01:20:55,812 --> 01:20:58,852
Speaker 2: So we're too now for Netball New Zealand and for

1564
01:20:58,893 --> 01:21:01,652
Speaker 2: the Silver Ferns and Dame Nolene for that matter. Oh

1565
01:21:01,652 --> 01:21:04,013
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call?

1566
01:21:04,093 --> 01:21:08,093
Speaker 2: Have you lost faith somewhat within Netball New Zealand as

1567
01:21:08,093 --> 01:21:10,572
Speaker 2: an organization? Do you think there does need to be

1568
01:21:10,772 --> 01:21:15,612
Speaker 2: an inquiry and investigation into the management or do you

1569
01:21:15,652 --> 01:21:19,092
Speaker 2: think it is time to move forward, that Dame Nolen

1570
01:21:19,173 --> 01:21:23,892
Speaker 2: comes back into the organization and continues coaching and the

1571
01:21:23,933 --> 01:21:26,893
Speaker 2: important part is that the Silver Ferns do well internationally

1572
01:21:28,612 --> 01:21:34,012
Speaker 2: and we can move on. It's an interesting question because

1573
01:21:34,013 --> 01:21:37,172
Speaker 2: it seems like Dame Nolen she signed what she signed

1574
01:21:37,933 --> 01:21:42,253
Speaker 2: and for her, the primary aspect is getting back to

1575
01:21:42,492 --> 01:21:45,772
Speaker 2: training that squad and getting the best out of those girls.

1576
01:21:46,253 --> 01:21:48,612
Speaker 2: But whether you can leave all this behind and say

1577
01:21:49,572 --> 01:21:51,772
Speaker 2: we've moved on, nothing to see here. I don't know

1578
01:21:51,812 --> 01:21:53,772
Speaker 2: if it's that easy. But what do you say? Oh

1579
01:21:53,812 --> 01:21:55,652
Speaker 2: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

1580
01:21:55,652 --> 01:21:58,133
Speaker 2: to call. A few texts coming through on nine to

1581
01:21:58,692 --> 01:22:02,732
Speaker 2: nine two. Sorry guys, just got home. I heard quite

1582
01:22:02,732 --> 01:22:04,812
Speaker 2: a lot when I was driving to work this morning

1583
01:22:04,853 --> 01:22:07,412
Speaker 2: of Mike Costkins, interview. One thing that worries me but

1584
01:22:07,812 --> 01:22:09,972
Speaker 2: is for the other team members who will have people

1585
01:22:10,053 --> 01:22:12,612
Speaker 2: looking and pointing at who they think it might be

1586
01:22:12,772 --> 01:22:15,852
Speaker 2: and so for that reason or I've just lost it

1587
01:22:15,893 --> 01:22:18,492
Speaker 2: for that reason, we rarely do need to know more

1588
01:22:18,532 --> 01:22:20,372
Speaker 2: what a mess. The colleague said to me this morning

1589
01:22:20,572 --> 01:22:22,933
Speaker 2: that there's no smoke without fire, which annoyed me, but

1590
01:22:23,013 --> 01:22:26,093
Speaker 2: it makes me wonder if others are thinking along that

1591
01:22:26,173 --> 01:22:30,612
Speaker 2: line and this one here, Hi, we must put our

1592
01:22:30,652 --> 01:22:33,532
Speaker 2: trust in high performance sport processes. We've had cycling New

1593
01:22:33,612 --> 01:22:36,213
Speaker 2: Zealand and New Zealand women's football in recent years. Our

1594
01:22:36,253 --> 01:22:39,213
Speaker 2: young athletes are the most important thing here. We definitely

1595
01:22:39,293 --> 01:22:43,492
Speaker 2: don't want another Olivia Podmore. That's from Frank. And that's

1596
01:22:43,492 --> 01:22:46,532
Speaker 2: the tough part about this discussion, right is when if

1597
01:22:46,572 --> 01:22:48,333
Speaker 2: it is true, and there's a lot we don't know,

1598
01:22:48,812 --> 01:22:54,213
Speaker 2: but if there were mental health considerations, then it becomes

1599
01:22:54,253 --> 01:22:57,572
Speaker 2: that question over elite sport, elite athletes. Did they have

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01:22:57,652 --> 01:23:00,532
Speaker 2: the backing not just from Dame Nolen, And it sounds

1601
01:23:00,572 --> 01:23:03,133
Speaker 2: like they did have the backing from Dame Nolen, many

1602
01:23:03,293 --> 01:23:06,213
Speaker 2: former players coming out backing her. But in the wider

1603
01:23:06,293 --> 01:23:11,612
Speaker 2: organization clearly there are roles designed to deal with the

1604
01:23:11,612 --> 01:23:15,452
Speaker 2: pressures in the mental health of elite athletes. But can

1605
01:23:15,532 --> 01:23:17,293
Speaker 2: you get your views on this one? O eight hundred

1606
01:23:17,333 --> 01:23:19,692
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's

1607
01:23:19,732 --> 01:23:22,973
Speaker 2: eleven past three back very shortly, great heavy company on

1608
01:23:22,973 --> 01:23:27,012
Speaker 2: this Monday afternoon his talk z be It is fourteen

1609
01:23:27,053 --> 01:23:29,572
Speaker 2: pass three and we're talking about netball New Zealand and

1610
01:23:29,652 --> 01:23:33,173
Speaker 2: Dame nol Lean total. Obviously she broke her silence as

1611
01:23:33,253 --> 01:23:35,772
Speaker 2: much as she could this morning speaking to Mike Hoskin.

1612
01:23:36,333 --> 01:23:38,053
Speaker 2: If you haven't heard that interview, you can go see

1613
01:23:38,053 --> 01:23:40,932
Speaker 2: it on news talkszb's website. But well worth a listen.

1614
01:23:41,133 --> 01:23:43,412
Speaker 2: But the question I'm asking right now is where to

1615
01:23:43,612 --> 01:23:45,612
Speaker 2: from here? How do you feel about this whole saga,

1616
01:23:45,652 --> 01:23:48,092
Speaker 2: how it's played out? Is this the worst pr disaster

1617
01:23:48,532 --> 01:23:50,772
Speaker 2: in New Zealand sport history. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1618
01:23:50,772 --> 01:23:53,492
Speaker 2: ten eighty is that number to call? Get a Simon

1619
01:23:54,732 --> 01:23:55,412
Speaker 2: kdo Tyler.

1620
01:23:55,492 --> 01:23:56,933
Speaker 3: I think the elephant in the room is that New

1621
01:23:57,013 --> 01:23:59,093
Speaker 3: Zealand netbol actually haven't got the money to power out.

1622
01:23:59,253 --> 01:24:00,453
Speaker 3: The game is in a crisis.

1623
01:24:00,532 --> 01:24:03,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true, very very true. They are short on

1624
01:24:03,853 --> 01:24:05,812
Speaker 2: funds and they were working for a long time on

1625
01:24:05,853 --> 01:24:09,173
Speaker 2: that broadcast right and clearly had to accept a lot

1626
01:24:09,253 --> 01:24:10,612
Speaker 2: less than they were hoping for.

1627
01:24:11,893 --> 01:24:13,612
Speaker 3: And then you've got the National League that's you know,

1628
01:24:13,853 --> 01:24:16,092
Speaker 3: really down plaid to what it's you know, what we've

1629
01:24:16,133 --> 01:24:20,213
Speaker 3: seen this year that's got worse over every year. I

1630
01:24:20,492 --> 01:24:23,492
Speaker 3: think Nolene needs a new CEO and a new cheer

1631
01:24:23,532 --> 01:24:25,532
Speaker 3: going forward. I don't think you can work under that

1632
01:24:25,652 --> 01:24:27,652
Speaker 3: current structure. I think her I can't known what a

1633
01:24:27,692 --> 01:24:30,692
Speaker 3: word was, but she's obviously been pretty poorly treated.

1634
01:24:32,013 --> 01:24:35,412
Speaker 2: We're too from here in your eyes, Simon. Clearly, you

1635
01:24:35,452 --> 01:24:37,972
Speaker 2: know there is some financial constraints there with the Netball

1636
01:24:38,013 --> 01:24:40,612
Speaker 2: New Zealand as an organization, but greatly if I'm wrong,

1637
01:24:40,652 --> 01:24:44,013
Speaker 2: listening to Dame Nolene this morning, it sounded like she

1638
01:24:44,093 --> 01:24:46,053
Speaker 2: wants to get back in there because that is her

1639
01:24:46,093 --> 01:24:49,092
Speaker 2: passion and her drive. The one thing she ultimately cares

1640
01:24:49,093 --> 01:24:52,492
Speaker 2: about is the silver Fern's doing well on the international stage,

1641
01:24:52,572 --> 01:24:57,492
Speaker 2: and money is you know, not a close second, but

1642
01:24:57,492 --> 01:24:59,492
Speaker 2: it's way down the list. I don't think she cares

1643
01:24:59,532 --> 01:25:01,053
Speaker 2: too much about the financial side of.

1644
01:25:01,013 --> 01:25:04,572
Speaker 3: Things, But as I just said, I think if you're her,

1645
01:25:05,053 --> 01:25:07,652
Speaker 3: I think she deserves the respect of having a new CEO.

1646
01:25:07,772 --> 01:25:09,452
Speaker 3: To put the game and forward. I think the game's

1647
01:25:09,452 --> 01:25:12,173
Speaker 3: been for a shocking six months and how the CEO

1648
01:25:12,253 --> 01:25:14,053
Speaker 3: can even stay on it is beyond question to me.

1649
01:25:14,253 --> 01:25:14,572
Speaker 14: M M.

1650
01:25:15,372 --> 01:25:16,732
Speaker 2: So with that in mind, they're ironic.

1651
01:25:17,093 --> 01:25:21,133
Speaker 3: Sorry, thing, what as I heard today that High Performance

1652
01:25:21,333 --> 01:25:22,812
Speaker 3: are going to have a meeting of all these sports

1653
01:25:22,812 --> 01:25:24,333
Speaker 3: that he's going to netball in a couple of weeks.

1654
01:25:24,372 --> 01:25:26,692
Speaker 3: I mean an't at State to hold the meet or

1655
01:25:26,732 --> 01:25:27,412
Speaker 3: host their meeting.

1656
01:25:28,053 --> 01:25:31,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think there needs to be an investigation

1657
01:25:31,133 --> 01:25:33,173
Speaker 2: in relation to the CEO or do you think it's

1658
01:25:33,293 --> 01:25:35,652
Speaker 2: it's you know, the the evidence is out there for

1659
01:25:36,053 --> 01:25:38,253
Speaker 2: all to see. I mean not for us clearly, because

1660
01:25:38,253 --> 01:25:40,772
Speaker 2: there haven't been that transparent, but it's already there within

1661
01:25:40,812 --> 01:25:44,293
Speaker 2: the organization, and that's enough for the board to consider

1662
01:25:44,333 --> 01:25:45,532
Speaker 2: replacing the CEO.

1663
01:25:46,333 --> 01:25:48,213
Speaker 3: I think he's even sport needs to step up and

1664
01:25:48,253 --> 01:25:51,812
Speaker 3: go in and do an a variation of where the

1665
01:25:51,853 --> 01:25:53,572
Speaker 3: sport's at. They've done it with other sports, and I

1666
01:25:53,612 --> 01:25:56,492
Speaker 3: think he's going on netbles way past that stage. We've

1667
01:25:56,492 --> 01:25:59,932
Speaker 3: seen a national league that's been decimated, We've seen TV

1668
01:26:00,133 --> 01:26:03,132
Speaker 3: rights and a lot lower. We've seen this coaching saga.

1669
01:26:03,253 --> 01:26:05,932
Speaker 3: I mean, this has cost you know, the normal netball

1670
01:26:05,933 --> 01:26:08,293
Speaker 3: player a lot of money in terms of, you know,

1671
01:26:09,173 --> 01:26:12,253
Speaker 3: legal fees. We're having to pay an extra coach and

1672
01:26:12,293 --> 01:26:15,012
Speaker 3: assistant coach as well. I'm presumed they paid rolling through

1673
01:26:15,253 --> 01:26:18,213
Speaker 3: the period of time that she's been suspended. Yeah, but

1674
01:26:18,572 --> 01:26:20,132
Speaker 3: I bet they even paid illegal fees.

1675
01:26:21,093 --> 01:26:23,532
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm with you. I would doubt that

1676
01:26:23,572 --> 01:26:26,173
Speaker 2: they have done that, but I suppose that's I mean,

1677
01:26:26,213 --> 01:26:28,812
Speaker 2: whether we'll ever note that information, Simon, I don't know.

1678
01:26:28,853 --> 01:26:31,652
Speaker 2: She's clearly signed some sort of legal agreement, as she

1679
01:26:31,732 --> 01:26:35,812
Speaker 2: told Mike. Have you so, you're a fan of watching nipple.

1680
01:26:35,893 --> 01:26:36,732
Speaker 2: You love the sport.

1681
01:26:38,333 --> 01:26:39,892
Speaker 3: I love the sport, but I think it's been really

1682
01:26:39,973 --> 01:26:42,613
Speaker 3: upsetting to me to see the people and the volunteers

1683
01:26:42,612 --> 01:26:44,732
Speaker 3: in the sport that gives so many hours to the sport,

1684
01:26:45,213 --> 01:26:47,053
Speaker 3: and how upset they are with their own sport at

1685
01:26:47,093 --> 01:26:50,173
Speaker 3: the moment. The administration at the top level, there's just

1686
01:26:50,333 --> 01:26:53,532
Speaker 3: no respect towards the CEO or the board, and I

1687
01:26:53,532 --> 01:26:55,772
Speaker 3: think to give them a fresh start, but I think

1688
01:26:55,812 --> 01:26:58,412
Speaker 3: the sport the CEO has got any credibility. I'd actually

1689
01:26:58,412 --> 01:27:00,013
Speaker 3: go to new them in sports take coming into an

1690
01:27:00,013 --> 01:27:02,692
Speaker 3: investigation and tell us if we're doing anything wrong.

1691
01:27:02,853 --> 01:27:05,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely said Simon, thank you very much for giving

1692
01:27:05,893 --> 01:27:08,253
Speaker 2: me a buzz and I can't you know, I can't

1693
01:27:08,732 --> 01:27:12,412
Speaker 2: anything what Simon said there. This text also agrees, Hi, Tyler,

1694
01:27:12,452 --> 01:27:14,492
Speaker 2: I think the CEO needs to go. The situation is

1695
01:27:14,532 --> 01:27:17,812
Speaker 2: being handled so badly. Appreciate she had a holiday booked,

1696
01:27:18,253 --> 01:27:20,972
Speaker 2: but to not say anything while away when this happened

1697
01:27:21,093 --> 01:27:23,412
Speaker 2: is not the kind of CEO any company needs. It's

1698
01:27:23,532 --> 01:27:27,932
Speaker 2: even come out that there are workplace issues at head office.

1699
01:27:28,053 --> 01:27:30,973
Speaker 2: Time to clear out the management, says this text. I

1700
01:27:31,013 --> 01:27:34,372
Speaker 2: mean on the holiday point. You know, I'm sorry. You're

1701
01:27:34,412 --> 01:27:36,173
Speaker 2: being very diplomatic there. I don't give a damn if

1702
01:27:36,173 --> 01:27:38,133
Speaker 2: she was on holiday. When you're a CEO of an

1703
01:27:38,213 --> 01:27:41,133
Speaker 2: organization like Netball New Zealand, you step up and you

1704
01:27:41,213 --> 01:27:43,973
Speaker 2: do what needs to be done to quell what was

1705
01:27:44,013 --> 01:27:46,372
Speaker 2: clearly a crisis. It doesn't really matter if you were

1706
01:27:46,372 --> 01:27:48,772
Speaker 2: on holiday in Europe. You get on the phone and

1707
01:27:48,812 --> 01:27:50,532
Speaker 2: you make it right. That's what you're paid to do

1708
01:27:50,572 --> 01:27:53,412
Speaker 2: as a CEO. Keen on your views though, Oh eight

1709
01:27:53,532 --> 01:27:55,652
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

1710
01:27:55,732 --> 01:27:57,372
Speaker 2: Let's go to Jared's get a.

1711
01:27:57,333 --> 01:27:59,652
Speaker 1: Mate, Tyler.

1712
01:28:00,213 --> 01:28:01,612
Speaker 13: He you mate must be on your show.

1713
01:28:02,053 --> 01:28:04,652
Speaker 2: Nice to chat to you, my friends. So you reckon

1714
01:28:05,093 --> 01:28:09,173
Speaker 2: this whole thing is just a massive mess, Tyler.

1715
01:28:10,093 --> 01:28:14,053
Speaker 18: I'm astonished and thinks for playing just driving back for

1716
01:28:14,173 --> 01:28:17,253
Speaker 18: work and you play the bits of Mike's olive you

1717
01:28:17,333 --> 01:28:22,333
Speaker 18: this morning. So I'm astonished that he asked the question

1718
01:28:22,612 --> 01:28:26,333
Speaker 18: to Noleen that she and I believe she was honest,

1719
01:28:26,412 --> 01:28:30,612
Speaker 18: that she doesn't know why she was stood down. And

1720
01:28:30,732 --> 01:28:34,092
Speaker 18: I just find out astonishing that Netball New Zealand couldn't

1721
01:28:34,133 --> 01:28:37,973
Speaker 18: give her an answer. After all that she's done for

1722
01:28:38,372 --> 01:28:43,572
Speaker 18: netball in this country. It's just been an absolute mess.

1723
01:28:43,612 --> 01:28:47,253
Speaker 18: And I admire Noleine for carrying on obviously, and like.

1724
01:28:47,333 --> 01:28:50,253
Speaker 6: You just touched on before the Taller, it's.

1725
01:28:50,093 --> 01:28:52,293
Speaker 18: Not all that money for her. What says a whole

1726
01:28:52,293 --> 01:28:57,213
Speaker 18: lot about her. She's wondering for this mess. She wants

1727
01:28:57,213 --> 01:29:00,852
Speaker 18: to come back and coach the Silver Ferns, and I

1728
01:29:00,933 --> 01:29:02,813
Speaker 18: just think that's admirable.

1729
01:29:03,053 --> 01:29:06,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, Jared. Listening to her, you

1730
01:29:06,213 --> 01:29:09,293
Speaker 2: know what she was saying to Mike and clear that's

1731
01:29:09,652 --> 01:29:13,093
Speaker 2: her driving passion there is to just get back and

1732
01:29:13,093 --> 01:29:15,652
Speaker 2: do what she does best. But she's a better person

1733
01:29:15,652 --> 01:29:18,092
Speaker 2: than I am. If I was ever in that situation

1734
01:29:18,253 --> 01:29:20,732
Speaker 2: or her shoes. I think I just walk away. And

1735
01:29:20,772 --> 01:29:23,333
Speaker 2: the fact that she's stuck it out after being put

1736
01:29:23,372 --> 01:29:26,732
Speaker 2: through the ringer and still says I've got this passion

1737
01:29:26,933 --> 01:29:29,213
Speaker 2: and I'm here to get the best out of the

1738
01:29:29,253 --> 01:29:31,612
Speaker 2: silver Ferns man. That takes some character.

1739
01:29:33,213 --> 01:29:35,532
Speaker 18: I couldn't agree more, Tyler. I would be the same

1740
01:29:35,572 --> 01:29:37,333
Speaker 18: as you. I don't think I would have done a

1741
01:29:37,372 --> 01:29:44,092
Speaker 18: good Yeah, especially when you're in the public forum. It's

1742
01:29:44,173 --> 01:29:46,732
Speaker 18: done hard, and she had to stay out of the

1743
01:29:46,732 --> 01:29:50,652
Speaker 18: public vale throughout all this time say nothing.

1744
01:29:52,452 --> 01:29:53,492
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's.

1745
01:29:55,013 --> 01:29:56,692
Speaker 18: Yeah, quite a time.

1746
01:29:56,532 --> 01:29:56,812
Speaker 20: Isn't it.

1747
01:29:56,933 --> 01:29:58,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly is. And I think you said that

1748
01:29:58,732 --> 01:30:01,852
Speaker 2: very well, Jared, that you're astonished and a lot of

1749
01:30:01,853 --> 01:30:04,213
Speaker 2: people will be feeling that as well after hearing that interview.

1750
01:30:04,253 --> 01:30:06,692
Speaker 2: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number

1751
01:30:06,732 --> 01:30:09,293
Speaker 2: to call? How do you feel about the whole Dame

1752
01:30:09,372 --> 01:30:12,452
Speaker 2: Nolean total with Saga. You may have heard her speaking

1753
01:30:12,452 --> 01:30:14,772
Speaker 2: with Mike this morning. Can you get your thoughts on

1754
01:30:14,812 --> 01:30:18,053
Speaker 2: the interview itself? She was clearly constrained. She signed some

1755
01:30:18,213 --> 01:30:20,972
Speaker 2: legal documents, so there's only so much she can say

1756
01:30:20,973 --> 01:30:24,492
Speaker 2: about the whole situation. And when Mike cast her about

1757
01:30:24,893 --> 01:30:27,452
Speaker 2: whether she knew about the allegations or the players involved,

1758
01:30:27,452 --> 01:30:29,933
Speaker 2: and she said, I don't know. I mean that to

1759
01:30:30,013 --> 01:30:32,892
Speaker 2: me is flabbergasting. But what do you say? Oh, eight

1760
01:30:32,973 --> 01:30:35,173
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? Call twenty

1761
01:30:35,213 --> 01:30:38,133
Speaker 2: one past three Beck very shortly. Hope you having a

1762
01:30:38,133 --> 01:30:39,052
Speaker 2: great Monday afternoon.

1763
01:30:43,492 --> 01:30:46,893
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1764
01:30:46,933 --> 01:30:50,052
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news talk ZAB very good afternoon.

1765
01:30:50,133 --> 01:30:52,972
Speaker 2: She we're talking about netball New Zealand and Dame Nolean

1766
01:30:53,333 --> 01:30:56,932
Speaker 2: Todor speaking to Mike Hoskin this morning, finally breaking her

1767
01:30:56,973 --> 01:31:02,052
Speaker 2: silence after weeks of uncertainty, and it's got to be said,

1768
01:31:02,093 --> 01:31:04,013
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of questions to be asked and

1769
01:31:04,013 --> 01:31:06,772
Speaker 2: a lot of mystery. There was a lot of things

1770
01:31:06,772 --> 01:31:10,132
Speaker 2: that Dame Nolen could not say because she's clearly signed

1771
01:31:10,173 --> 01:31:13,173
Speaker 2: some sort of legal document to ensure she can come

1772
01:31:13,173 --> 01:31:15,173
Speaker 2: back into the fold and do what she does best.

1773
01:31:15,412 --> 01:31:17,133
Speaker 2: But can hear from you at eight hundred and eighty

1774
01:31:17,173 --> 01:31:19,573
Speaker 2: ten eighty, how do you feel about this whole saga?

1775
01:31:19,652 --> 01:31:22,372
Speaker 2: And where too from here? For Neple New Zealand get

1776
01:31:22,372 --> 01:31:22,812
Speaker 2: a Glenn.

1777
01:31:24,253 --> 01:31:25,412
Speaker 9: Hey, Tyler, how are you.

1778
01:31:25,452 --> 01:31:27,253
Speaker 2: I'm good, my friends.

1779
01:31:26,412 --> 01:31:31,173
Speaker 20: I'll just prehimpt this conversation by saying that I have

1780
01:31:31,293 --> 01:31:33,732
Speaker 20: worked in employment law, and I have also worked in

1781
01:31:33,853 --> 01:31:38,852
Speaker 20: high performance sport, and to me, this is an absolute cluster.

1782
01:31:40,532 --> 01:31:44,052
Speaker 20: I think what has happened is that when Jinny Wiley

1783
01:31:44,213 --> 01:31:48,092
Speaker 20: was overseas on holiday, Matt Wooday was asked to step

1784
01:31:48,133 --> 01:31:51,652
Speaker 20: in and deal with this mess. And I don't think

1785
01:31:52,053 --> 01:31:55,333
Speaker 20: at an early stage they sought any legal advice. I

1786
01:31:55,372 --> 01:31:58,333
Speaker 20: think they've tried to bumble their way through it and

1787
01:31:58,452 --> 01:32:02,293
Speaker 20: to stonewall and to try and get their ducks in

1788
01:32:02,333 --> 01:32:06,133
Speaker 20: a row. They haven't conducted a proper investigation. We know

1789
01:32:06,293 --> 01:32:09,652
Speaker 20: that they only spoke to a limited number of players,

1790
01:32:09,692 --> 01:32:14,173
Speaker 20: basically the ones that were aggrieved. And in any employment

1791
01:32:14,253 --> 01:32:19,693
Speaker 20: process that should be balanced. It should look after the

1792
01:32:19,732 --> 01:32:24,532
Speaker 20: concerns of the employees who might be aggrieved, but you

1793
01:32:24,652 --> 01:32:28,613
Speaker 20: also have to make sure that you treat the accused

1794
01:32:28,692 --> 01:32:32,492
Speaker 20: person fairly, and I don't see any of that in

1795
01:32:32,532 --> 01:32:36,173
Speaker 20: this process at all. They've made a knee jerk reaction

1796
01:32:36,893 --> 01:32:41,372
Speaker 20: to stand nolling down at the earliest opportunity. They've given

1797
01:32:41,412 --> 01:32:45,572
Speaker 20: themselves time. It appears as though they've done nothing in

1798
01:32:45,612 --> 01:32:51,093
Speaker 20: that intervening period except then negotiate with her legal advisors,

1799
01:32:51,612 --> 01:32:54,693
Speaker 20: and then they've realized that they've made a massive mistake

1800
01:32:55,293 --> 01:32:59,052
Speaker 20: and they've reinstated her, and then they compound the problem

1801
01:32:59,532 --> 01:33:03,852
Speaker 20: by reinstating her but not reinstating her, and it's just

1802
01:33:04,333 --> 01:33:06,052
Speaker 20: the whole thing is just crazy.

1803
01:33:06,492 --> 01:33:10,213
Speaker 2: So a great chet you, Glenn, because you've got a

1804
01:33:10,253 --> 01:33:12,253
Speaker 2: foot in a couple of camps here. So on the

1805
01:33:12,293 --> 01:33:16,133
Speaker 2: employment side of things, employment law, is it true to

1806
01:33:16,213 --> 01:33:19,452
Speaker 2: say that nine times out of ten when you're faced

1807
01:33:19,452 --> 01:33:23,012
Speaker 2: with this sort of situation, that behind closed doors during

1808
01:33:23,053 --> 01:33:25,933
Speaker 2: that mediation, you would be told about the allegations. Is

1809
01:33:25,973 --> 01:33:28,012
Speaker 2: that right? You've got to be it's fair to give

1810
01:33:28,053 --> 01:33:30,933
Speaker 2: that information about what you've been accused of, so you

1811
01:33:30,973 --> 01:33:32,572
Speaker 2: can fairly defend yourself.

1812
01:33:33,213 --> 01:33:37,452
Speaker 20: One hundred percent. You have to advise people what the

1813
01:33:37,532 --> 01:33:41,932
Speaker 20: allegations are against them, so they have an opportunity to

1814
01:33:41,973 --> 01:33:46,412
Speaker 20: defend their position or to answer the allegation. And it

1815
01:33:46,492 --> 01:33:49,972
Speaker 20: seems as though there has never been an allegation put

1816
01:33:50,013 --> 01:33:54,412
Speaker 20: to Nolin, and I just I can't fathom that, and

1817
01:33:54,532 --> 01:33:58,012
Speaker 20: the fact that it's plainly out in public, any right

1818
01:33:58,093 --> 01:34:01,932
Speaker 20: thinking person is going, this is just nuts. These people

1819
01:34:01,973 --> 01:34:06,532
Speaker 20: are crazy. They've embarrassed themselves. They've embarrassed their sport, and

1820
01:34:06,572 --> 01:34:10,692
Speaker 20: they've actually embarrassed their country because this is international news.

1821
01:34:11,093 --> 01:34:11,852
Speaker 20: That's terrible.

1822
01:34:12,333 --> 01:34:14,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, i mean, look at the reputation in New Zealand.

1823
01:34:14,933 --> 01:34:17,532
Speaker 2: Netball isn't tatter, It's no doubt about it. And they've

1824
01:34:17,572 --> 01:34:18,932
Speaker 2: got a lot of building up to do and they

1825
01:34:18,933 --> 01:34:22,732
Speaker 2: were already in some trouble financially and other anyway. So

1826
01:34:22,933 --> 01:34:25,372
Speaker 2: just on the elite sports side of things, Glenn, because

1827
01:34:25,372 --> 01:34:27,612
Speaker 2: this is where it can get tricky is when you

1828
01:34:27,893 --> 01:34:32,812
Speaker 2: have elite athletes who have succumbed to maybe some mental

1829
01:34:32,812 --> 01:34:36,772
Speaker 2: health situations or anxiety or whatever it may be in

1830
01:34:36,933 --> 01:34:41,213
Speaker 2: trying to hit that elite level, and you need to

1831
01:34:41,652 --> 01:34:44,173
Speaker 2: surely you need to have people within an organization. We're

1832
01:34:44,213 --> 01:34:48,692
Speaker 2: at that point now where it's critical that gets addressed

1833
01:34:48,692 --> 01:34:50,092
Speaker 2: outside of the coaching staff.

1834
01:34:50,173 --> 01:34:50,372
Speaker 18: Right.

1835
01:34:50,652 --> 01:34:53,492
Speaker 2: You've got to have people within the organization that can

1836
01:34:53,532 --> 01:34:56,892
Speaker 2: deal solely with that side of things so it doesn't

1837
01:34:56,933 --> 01:35:00,492
Speaker 2: get messy and then these allegations of unfairness or bullying

1838
01:35:00,572 --> 01:35:01,852
Speaker 2: or whatever come to the fore.

1839
01:35:02,973 --> 01:35:06,173
Speaker 20: It's kind of like the role that Pabldnoka played for

1840
01:35:06,213 --> 01:35:09,253
Speaker 20: the All Blacks for many, many years and I'm sure

1841
01:35:09,293 --> 01:35:12,892
Speaker 20: at times he was a conduit between the playing group

1842
01:35:12,933 --> 01:35:17,093
Speaker 20: and the management group if players had concerns about the

1843
01:35:17,133 --> 01:35:20,293
Speaker 20: way they were being treated. And I'm sure that has

1844
01:35:20,572 --> 01:35:23,172
Speaker 20: cropped up in that environment from time to time.

1845
01:35:23,692 --> 01:35:27,333
Speaker 13: But you can't, You just can't do this stuff.

1846
01:35:28,173 --> 01:35:31,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, Glenn, really good to get your thoughts, and I

1847
01:35:31,013 --> 01:35:34,772
Speaker 2: think you articulated that beautifully. Thank you very much. You

1848
01:35:34,853 --> 01:35:38,452
Speaker 2: heard Glenn's thoughts. He's worked in employment law and elite sport.

1849
01:35:38,853 --> 01:35:40,452
Speaker 2: What do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

1850
01:35:40,532 --> 01:35:42,572
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call. We've got the headlines

1851
01:35:42,572 --> 01:35:44,293
Speaker 2: with ray Lane. We're going to carry this on because

1852
01:35:44,333 --> 01:35:47,053
Speaker 2: we've got full boards and so many people are texting through,

1853
01:35:47,053 --> 01:35:50,212
Speaker 2: but still keen to hear from you back very shortly

1854
01:35:50,333 --> 01:35:54,372
Speaker 2: with Heather, who I think wants to have we maybe

1855
01:35:54,492 --> 01:35:57,572
Speaker 2: question Dame Nolean, so we'll get to her very shortly.

1856
01:35:57,612 --> 01:35:58,692
Speaker 2: It is twenty nine past three.

1857
01:36:00,973 --> 01:36:05,253
Speaker 15: You talk be headlines with blue bubble taxes. It's no

1858
01:36:05,372 --> 01:36:08,612
Speaker 15: trouble with a blue bubble. To Party Mardi Press cident,

1859
01:36:08,692 --> 01:36:12,013
Speaker 15: John Tamaheery has responded to a petition calling him to

1860
01:36:12,133 --> 01:36:16,932
Speaker 15: quit by suggesting two party MPs should resign and accusing

1861
01:36:16,973 --> 01:36:21,413
Speaker 15: them of avarice and entitlement. The Deputy Health and Disability

1862
01:36:21,452 --> 01:36:25,293
Speaker 15: Commissioner has criticized a lack of clear policies to support

1863
01:36:25,372 --> 01:36:29,132
Speaker 15: safely administering opioids after a woman got a brain injury

1864
01:36:29,133 --> 01:36:33,692
Speaker 15: in hospital from an opioid overdose. Health and Zed argues

1865
01:36:33,732 --> 01:36:38,932
Speaker 15: the woman was assessed appropriately. Christ Church's derelict Antonio Hall

1866
01:36:39,013 --> 01:36:42,293
Speaker 15: mansion as being stripped of its heritage status to allow

1867
01:36:42,412 --> 01:36:45,972
Speaker 15: it to become student accommodation from about twenty twenty eight.

1868
01:36:47,053 --> 01:36:50,772
Speaker 15: The country's oldest school, Wesley College in pukakohe must close

1869
01:36:50,812 --> 01:36:53,333
Speaker 15: its hostels at the end of the week, with students

1870
01:36:53,372 --> 01:36:58,852
Speaker 15: reportedly again put in harm's way sheep grazing dry grass.

1871
01:36:59,213 --> 01:37:02,492
Speaker 15: It's being trialed as a fire prevention measure on christ

1872
01:37:02,532 --> 01:37:06,932
Speaker 15: Church's porthills rather than replant a replanting pine after two

1873
01:37:07,053 --> 01:37:11,892
Speaker 15: major blazers in eight years. Desperation, aren't there? Fraud and

1874
01:37:12,013 --> 01:37:15,213
Speaker 15: double dipping as can we save a hardship withdrawal spike.

1875
01:37:15,692 --> 01:37:18,052
Speaker 15: You can find out more at ins at Herald Premium.

1876
01:37:18,372 --> 01:37:19,972
Speaker 15: Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1877
01:37:20,053 --> 01:37:22,012
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for Rayleen. So we are chatting

1878
01:37:22,013 --> 01:37:26,612
Speaker 2: about Neple, New Zealand and Dame Nolen Toto who broke

1879
01:37:26,652 --> 01:37:31,132
Speaker 2: her silence first with Mike Cosking this morning. Then weirdly

1880
01:37:31,293 --> 01:37:34,293
Speaker 2: she was kidnapped by Breakfast TV and said to go

1881
01:37:34,412 --> 01:37:36,333
Speaker 2: and have a chat to them midway through the interview.

1882
01:37:36,572 --> 01:37:40,133
Speaker 2: But she did come back and finish the interview with Mike.

1883
01:37:40,173 --> 01:37:42,572
Speaker 2: And here is a little bit more of what he asked.

1884
01:37:42,772 --> 01:37:48,452
Speaker 10: Are you literally telling us there was no investigation at all?

1885
01:37:48,652 --> 01:37:49,412
Speaker 11: Y's correct?

1886
01:37:50,692 --> 01:37:54,213
Speaker 10: So what was going on between when they elevated the

1887
01:37:54,253 --> 01:37:57,492
Speaker 10: situation in July to what happened last week where you

1888
01:37:57,532 --> 01:38:00,333
Speaker 10: got reinstated. What literally was happening in that period of time.

1889
01:38:02,692 --> 01:38:07,013
Speaker 11: Well, for me, I was working with my lawyers to

1890
01:38:07,492 --> 01:38:13,813
Speaker 11: be reinstalled. That that was always my primary focus, and

1891
01:38:14,133 --> 01:38:17,732
Speaker 11: them negotiating with the lawyers as to how we could

1892
01:38:17,812 --> 01:38:23,213
Speaker 11: do that. So I was in survival mode, Mike, and

1893
01:38:23,612 --> 01:38:27,532
Speaker 11: I was I was fighting for my life. So that's

1894
01:38:27,612 --> 01:38:29,612
Speaker 11: that's really what two months was worth.

1895
01:38:30,053 --> 01:38:32,812
Speaker 10: Okay, So, just for clarity's sake, you were never told

1896
01:38:33,173 --> 01:38:36,492
Speaker 10: why you were being stood down and there was no investigation.

1897
01:38:39,372 --> 01:38:40,572
Speaker 11: Uh correct?

1898
01:38:41,853 --> 01:38:43,012
Speaker 10: So what did your lawyers say?

1899
01:38:43,053 --> 01:38:43,253
Speaker 25: But what.

1900
01:38:45,532 --> 01:38:51,572
Speaker 11: Well, they said a lot. And I'm not gonna that's

1901
01:38:51,612 --> 01:38:53,173
Speaker 11: one of the things I'm not going to repeat, but

1902
01:38:53,213 --> 01:38:57,052
Speaker 11: they actually said a lot. But what what I can say?

1903
01:38:57,253 --> 01:38:59,612
Speaker 11: I know I've been told actually by my mind. Can

1904
01:38:59,652 --> 01:39:02,293
Speaker 11: you stop saying that you don't know? But what what

1905
01:39:02,372 --> 01:39:05,333
Speaker 11: I can actually say? These four things that really matter

1906
01:39:05,412 --> 01:39:08,732
Speaker 11: to me and and those four things are about people.

1907
01:39:09,213 --> 01:39:12,772
Speaker 11: They're about integrity, they're about process, and they're about the

1908
01:39:12,812 --> 01:39:16,772
Speaker 11: Sewer Fund, legacy and the game. Those are the four

1909
01:39:16,812 --> 01:39:20,412
Speaker 11: things that matter to me the most. I will one

1910
01:39:20,532 --> 01:39:24,173
Speaker 11: hundred percent listen to players, like one hundred percent. That's

1911
01:39:24,173 --> 01:39:27,492
Speaker 11: my one oh one. People are what I do and

1912
01:39:27,532 --> 01:39:31,692
Speaker 11: I actually want to win, So you know, I stand

1913
01:39:31,732 --> 01:39:33,532
Speaker 11: strong on those four things.

1914
01:39:34,893 --> 01:39:37,333
Speaker 2: So that is part of the second part of that

1915
01:39:37,452 --> 01:39:41,372
Speaker 2: interview with Mike Coskin and again no investigation who Lawyer

1916
01:39:41,372 --> 01:39:43,452
Speaker 2: has said a lot of things, not much of which

1917
01:39:43,492 --> 01:39:47,652
Speaker 2: she can share publicly, but her primary focus is getting

1918
01:39:47,692 --> 01:39:50,692
Speaker 2: back and doing what she does best is coaching the

1919
01:39:50,772 --> 01:39:53,452
Speaker 2: silver Ferns and getting them titled wins. So what do

1920
01:39:53,532 --> 01:39:55,213
Speaker 2: you say? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1921
01:39:55,253 --> 01:39:55,972
Speaker 2: that number to call?

1922
01:39:56,253 --> 01:39:59,213
Speaker 5: Hey you, Heather, Hello Taylor.

1923
01:40:00,532 --> 01:40:03,293
Speaker 25: This is actually a really daunting conversation for me to

1924
01:40:03,372 --> 01:40:06,652
Speaker 25: have because I have been listening to news talk set

1925
01:40:06,692 --> 01:40:11,532
Speaker 25: be over this entire saga, and everyone to a man

1926
01:40:12,133 --> 01:40:18,213
Speaker 25: is totally saying that everything is right with the coach

1927
01:40:18,253 --> 01:40:23,013
Speaker 25: and al interor, and that everybody else is somehow in it.

1928
01:40:23,893 --> 01:40:28,812
Speaker 25: Now I find that really worrying. Forget about the netball side,

1929
01:40:29,213 --> 01:40:35,892
Speaker 25: but about the actual democratic side, where people can actually

1930
01:40:35,933 --> 01:40:38,852
Speaker 25: look at it from another point of view. And I'm

1931
01:40:38,853 --> 01:40:43,612
Speaker 25: not really sure why it is that everybody, and I

1932
01:40:43,772 --> 01:40:47,133
Speaker 25: say almost everybody, I can hardly think of anyone. The

1933
01:40:47,173 --> 01:40:49,612
Speaker 25: only one that mentioned anything a little bit different was

1934
01:40:49,692 --> 01:40:55,452
Speaker 25: John McDonald this morning. But anyway, otherwise it's been hotline

1935
01:40:55,492 --> 01:40:59,933
Speaker 25: and sinker straight in for her, and I don't I

1936
01:41:00,053 --> 01:41:03,692
Speaker 25: find that undemocratic. I find it odd none of us

1937
01:41:03,812 --> 01:41:08,812
Speaker 25: knows really what happened, and I find it worrying, as

1938
01:41:08,853 --> 01:41:11,173
Speaker 25: I say, not just from the netball point of view,

1939
01:41:11,253 --> 01:41:14,333
Speaker 25: but from actually where New Zealands are at here. So

1940
01:41:14,732 --> 01:41:19,532
Speaker 25: I wish to say that, first of all, how can

1941
01:41:19,612 --> 01:41:25,572
Speaker 25: you possibly believe that she didn't know why she was there?

1942
01:41:26,452 --> 01:41:30,692
Speaker 25: I'm sorry, but you can't possibly believe that they didn't

1943
01:41:30,732 --> 01:41:35,772
Speaker 25: tell her what was actually being given to her as

1944
01:41:35,812 --> 01:41:41,932
Speaker 25: something to consider. That's just that's moronic. I don't even

1945
01:41:42,013 --> 01:41:45,612
Speaker 25: get how that can be set. And then and for

1946
01:41:45,652 --> 01:41:48,132
Speaker 25: everyone to believe it. Well, I'm not sure Mike did actually.

1947
01:41:49,893 --> 01:41:57,972
Speaker 25: And then the other thing is that she is being

1948
01:41:58,013 --> 01:42:02,253
Speaker 25: triported totally as the netball as the World Cup winning coach.

1949
01:42:02,333 --> 01:42:08,012
Speaker 25: That was twenty nineteen. In twenty twenty two, we couldn't

1950
01:42:08,053 --> 01:42:11,973
Speaker 25: even get no, we were third at the Commonwealth Games.

1951
01:42:13,013 --> 01:42:16,772
Speaker 25: In twenty twenty three, we couldn't even get on the

1952
01:42:16,772 --> 01:42:21,333
Speaker 25: podium in the World Cup. We were fourth, beaten by Jamaica,

1953
01:42:21,412 --> 01:42:26,932
Speaker 25: Australia and England. Now that has never that doesn't seem

1954
01:42:26,933 --> 01:42:29,572
Speaker 25: to come out. And I'm not saying this to try

1955
01:42:29,572 --> 01:42:31,333
Speaker 25: and put her down, by the way, but i just

1956
01:42:31,412 --> 01:42:34,813
Speaker 25: want a wee bit of perspective here. Then in January

1957
01:42:34,812 --> 01:42:37,932
Speaker 25: when they go on a camp and by the way,

1958
01:42:38,133 --> 01:42:41,772
Speaker 25: Grayson Wicki wasn't in that camp because she was playing

1959
01:42:41,853 --> 01:42:44,532
Speaker 25: the Swifts, which is whom they played.

1960
01:42:46,412 --> 01:42:48,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly, because I'll respond to a lot of

1961
01:42:48,253 --> 01:42:50,812
Speaker 2: these things you're saying, either, but just quickly on Grace.

1962
01:42:51,532 --> 01:42:53,812
Speaker 2: She came out because you know, there was a lot

1963
01:42:53,853 --> 01:42:56,053
Speaker 2: of accusations flying about who the players were, so that

1964
01:42:56,173 --> 01:42:57,932
Speaker 2: was her primary reason of coming forward.

1965
01:42:58,253 --> 01:43:00,973
Speaker 25: To say, I'm not getting at her either, I'm just

1966
01:43:01,053 --> 01:43:04,213
Speaker 25: saying that that she wasn't there and then they lost

1967
01:43:04,253 --> 01:43:08,293
Speaker 25: all those four games. Now, I think who has been

1968
01:43:08,492 --> 01:43:12,852
Speaker 25: protected here? And I wish that somebody would just wonder

1969
01:43:13,053 --> 01:43:16,372
Speaker 25: just who actually is being protected. You can't just say

1970
01:43:16,412 --> 01:43:19,572
Speaker 25: Netbule and New Zealand are all stupid. I'm not an

1971
01:43:19,612 --> 01:43:21,412
Speaker 25: apologist for them.

1972
01:43:21,772 --> 01:43:23,892
Speaker 2: Well good on you, Heather, I mean, look, it's good

1973
01:43:23,933 --> 01:43:26,612
Speaker 2: for you pushing back and you've got to question the

1974
01:43:26,732 --> 01:43:29,572
Speaker 2: narrative as you see fat But I'll tell you why

1975
01:43:29,772 --> 01:43:32,893
Speaker 2: I am leaning towards the side of Dame nol and

1976
01:43:33,213 --> 01:43:37,013
Speaker 2: Tota at this stage is that the absolute silence and

1977
01:43:37,093 --> 01:43:40,333
Speaker 2: lack of transparency from Netball New Zealand as to what happened.

1978
01:43:40,812 --> 01:43:43,933
Speaker 2: And she mentioned it to Mike Coskin this morning that

1979
01:43:44,253 --> 01:43:47,093
Speaker 2: she didn't know the allegations of the accusations and you

1980
01:43:47,093 --> 01:43:49,133
Speaker 2: don't believe that, so you've got to you've got to

1981
01:43:49,133 --> 01:43:51,772
Speaker 2: take somebody at their word, surely, I mean, until we

1982
01:43:51,893 --> 01:43:52,973
Speaker 2: know all the facts.

1983
01:43:54,213 --> 01:43:54,572
Speaker 14: As well.

1984
01:43:54,612 --> 01:43:56,892
Speaker 2: But they haven't said that though, they haven't said anything,

1985
01:43:56,973 --> 01:43:59,612
Speaker 2: and that's the problem, Heather. And look, I've been in

1986
01:43:59,692 --> 01:44:01,932
Speaker 2: media long enough and been a journalist and actually worked

1987
01:44:01,933 --> 01:44:04,612
Speaker 2: in pr myself to know that you never stay silent

1988
01:44:04,652 --> 01:44:07,093
Speaker 2: in a crisis. You always front foot it and the

1989
01:44:07,133 --> 01:44:10,253
Speaker 2: fact that Jenny was over a CEO on holiday.

1990
01:44:09,973 --> 01:44:13,492
Speaker 25: Somebody, But isn't it somebody to find what is going

1991
01:44:13,532 --> 01:44:18,293
Speaker 25: on here? Because and nobody nobody has There's something going

1992
01:44:18,333 --> 01:44:21,932
Speaker 25: on here that nobody knows and I'm waiting for that

1993
01:44:22,093 --> 01:44:26,532
Speaker 25: to raise its head anyway. Thank you for listening, Tyler

1994
01:44:26,652 --> 01:44:27,652
Speaker 25: and got.

1995
01:44:27,532 --> 01:44:29,053
Speaker 2: On new Heather. No, no, it's nice to get a

1996
01:44:29,093 --> 01:44:31,772
Speaker 2: different perspective. No, appreciate you calling up and thank you

1997
01:44:31,893 --> 01:44:34,612
Speaker 2: very much. You know you've got to you've got to

1998
01:44:34,612 --> 01:44:37,173
Speaker 2: push what you If you think that the narrative has

1999
01:44:37,213 --> 01:44:39,213
Speaker 2: been secured, then you've you've got to push that. So

2000
01:44:39,253 --> 01:44:41,972
Speaker 2: good on you, Heather. Do you agree with Heather? Are

2001
01:44:41,973 --> 01:44:44,372
Speaker 2: you feeling the same way she is? One hundred and

2002
01:44:44,372 --> 01:44:48,572
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty Again, I've been following, like most of us,

2003
01:44:48,612 --> 01:44:54,052
Speaker 2: following this saga since the beginning, and the complete silence

2004
01:44:54,093 --> 01:44:58,012
Speaker 2: from Netball New Zealand as an organization was an absolute cocker,

2005
01:44:58,372 --> 01:45:02,772
Speaker 2: no doubt about it, because when you're trying to defend

2006
01:45:02,812 --> 01:45:05,892
Speaker 2: your position or give a reason why she was removed

2007
01:45:05,893 --> 01:45:09,572
Speaker 2: as coach, you can't just leave that void for people

2008
01:45:09,612 --> 01:45:12,213
Speaker 2: to start making up their own guesses. That's why you

2009
01:45:12,253 --> 01:45:14,612
Speaker 2: had the witch hunt for who were the players that

2010
01:45:14,652 --> 01:45:16,732
Speaker 2: had spoken out? And at first we didn't even know

2011
01:45:16,772 --> 01:45:19,652
Speaker 2: what the allegations were where it started to leak out

2012
01:45:19,692 --> 01:45:21,972
Speaker 2: bit by bit that it was a training camp where

2013
01:45:22,133 --> 01:45:25,253
Speaker 2: some coaching elements rub some of the players up the

2014
01:45:25,253 --> 01:45:27,452
Speaker 2: wrong way, and then you've got some of the former

2015
01:45:27,492 --> 01:45:30,173
Speaker 2: players coming out of the woodwork to back up Dame

2016
01:45:30,213 --> 01:45:32,892
Speaker 2: no Lean. So hence why I mean, that's that is

2017
01:45:33,053 --> 01:45:36,692
Speaker 2: losing control of the narrative and everybody's a loser in

2018
01:45:36,692 --> 01:45:39,692
Speaker 2: that situation. But the very fact that Neple New Zealand

2019
01:45:39,692 --> 01:45:44,173
Speaker 2: has remained silent to me says that that Dame no

2020
01:45:44,372 --> 01:45:47,492
Speaker 2: Lean has been treated unfairly here. But that is my thoughts.

2021
01:45:47,532 --> 01:45:49,053
Speaker 2: What do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

2022
01:45:49,093 --> 01:45:50,492
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call if you want to

2023
01:45:50,492 --> 01:45:52,772
Speaker 2: send a text? Nine to two ninety two is that

2024
01:45:52,933 --> 01:45:56,253
Speaker 2: number back? Very shortly, It is nineteen to four.

2025
01:45:57,253 --> 01:46:01,612
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

2026
01:46:01,612 --> 01:46:04,293
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

2027
01:46:04,293 --> 01:46:07,012
Speaker 2: They'd be all very good afternoon to you. It's sixteen

2028
01:46:07,053 --> 01:46:09,652
Speaker 2: to form. We are discussed in Netball New Zealand. And

2029
01:46:09,772 --> 01:46:13,572
Speaker 2: Dame Noel Lean Toto or rather speaking for the first

2030
01:46:13,612 --> 01:46:16,933
Speaker 2: time in weeks about the whole messy saga as it

2031
01:46:16,973 --> 01:46:19,133
Speaker 2: played out, and she couldn't really say hell of a

2032
01:46:19,173 --> 01:46:21,372
Speaker 2: lot because she signed some sort of legal agreement. But

2033
01:46:21,452 --> 01:46:23,532
Speaker 2: keen to get your views on what next for Netball

2034
01:46:23,572 --> 01:46:27,253
Speaker 2: New Zealand and the Silver Ferns. Kida David, All right.

2035
01:46:27,133 --> 01:46:29,372
Speaker 6: Tyler, I find it interesting that the last call, I

2036
01:46:29,452 --> 01:46:31,852
Speaker 6: had a good suspective and you decided that you'd spend

2037
01:46:31,853 --> 01:46:34,973
Speaker 6: one minute thirty eight seconds giving yours perspective, trying to

2038
01:46:35,253 --> 01:46:37,973
Speaker 6: just just some vary everything she said. I think you

2039
01:46:38,372 --> 01:46:40,732
Speaker 6: need to put your listening years on for wee while and.

2040
01:46:40,812 --> 01:46:43,333
Speaker 2: Go back to David. David, hang on a minute. I'm

2041
01:46:43,372 --> 01:46:45,492
Speaker 2: going to come back to you, but I let hear

2042
01:46:45,572 --> 01:46:48,213
Speaker 2: the go and say her piece for a good five

2043
01:46:48,293 --> 01:46:50,732
Speaker 2: minutes and let us say all her elements, and then,

2044
01:46:50,812 --> 01:46:53,812
Speaker 2: as naturally happens in a conversation, I came through and said,

2045
01:46:53,853 --> 01:46:56,613
Speaker 2: my opinion of it, that's how a conversation works.

2046
01:46:57,492 --> 01:47:00,892
Speaker 6: Well, you've come across two things. One first one might

2047
01:47:01,173 --> 01:47:03,532
Speaker 6: go back to my interview with her. The second one,

2048
01:47:04,333 --> 01:47:06,612
Speaker 6: one very revealing thing came out in Matt, and she said,

2049
01:47:06,612 --> 01:47:09,173
Speaker 6: I've been told by my mind to stop saying I

2050
01:47:09,213 --> 01:47:13,892
Speaker 6: don't know because she does know. Okay, she'd been pressed

2051
01:47:13,893 --> 01:47:15,852
Speaker 6: on that she does know. She've been told not to

2052
01:47:15,853 --> 01:47:18,532
Speaker 6: stop saying it because they don't know. Second thing, car,

2053
01:47:19,213 --> 01:47:22,213
Speaker 6: this is my truth is there's just a copy out.

2054
01:47:22,333 --> 01:47:25,213
Speaker 6: This is my truth. This is my truth. It's like

2055
01:47:25,253 --> 01:47:29,333
Speaker 6: people saying I'm a female, that's my truth. If you're

2056
01:47:29,333 --> 01:47:32,213
Speaker 6: a male or your female, I know, I don't know

2057
01:47:32,253 --> 01:47:34,293
Speaker 6: what she did. No, my truth is I don't know. Well,

2058
01:47:34,372 --> 01:47:36,333
Speaker 6: if you do know, you'll told something. You just disagreed

2059
01:47:36,372 --> 01:47:38,052
Speaker 6: with that, and that's what's your truth.

2060
01:47:38,093 --> 01:47:38,612
Speaker 13: You don't know that.

2061
01:47:39,452 --> 01:47:41,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean anyone who says this is my truth

2062
01:47:41,893 --> 01:47:44,772
Speaker 2: multiple times. I keep what you're saying. David, that's an

2063
01:47:44,772 --> 01:47:46,852
Speaker 2: odd turn of phrase, and it is a bit of

2064
01:47:46,853 --> 01:47:49,572
Speaker 2: a pr spin when you usher out that line. But

2065
01:47:50,133 --> 01:47:52,333
Speaker 2: talking about that, he said, she said, that's where it

2066
01:47:52,372 --> 01:47:55,772
Speaker 2: gets murky, right, And I appreciate your view and Heather's

2067
01:47:55,853 --> 01:47:58,173
Speaker 2: view that you've got some questions about what she was

2068
01:47:58,173 --> 01:48:00,452
Speaker 2: saying in an interview. A lot of people do. But

2069
01:48:01,652 --> 01:48:06,452
Speaker 2: for my own observation, I tend to agree, or I

2070
01:48:06,612 --> 01:48:09,173
Speaker 2: tend to put my belief in what Dame no Lean

2071
01:48:09,333 --> 01:48:11,572
Speaker 2: was saying, rather than the other way around. You disagree.

2072
01:48:11,612 --> 01:48:11,972
Speaker 2: That's fine.

2073
01:48:11,973 --> 01:48:14,652
Speaker 6: A lot of people do, okay, but you were saying

2074
01:48:14,652 --> 01:48:17,452
Speaker 6: you disagreed because they oisides keeping quiet, they signed a

2075
01:48:17,452 --> 01:48:19,892
Speaker 6: sub sign agreement. Probably she had to skip quiet. Now

2076
01:48:20,053 --> 01:48:22,532
Speaker 6: she's only came out today and started this. I would

2077
01:48:22,572 --> 01:48:24,452
Speaker 6: say there'd be people in the background going, now, how

2078
01:48:24,452 --> 01:48:26,772
Speaker 6: do we respond and what can we respond for out

2079
01:48:26,893 --> 01:48:29,093
Speaker 6: making it worse, because they probably are not looking at

2080
01:48:29,173 --> 01:48:30,492
Speaker 6: now going well do we want to make it worse?

2081
01:48:30,532 --> 01:48:32,293
Speaker 6: We want to come out and say, actually, we told

2082
01:48:32,333 --> 01:48:33,933
Speaker 6: of this, this and this, and she disagreed with it.

2083
01:48:33,973 --> 01:48:36,013
Speaker 6: So that's you are true, she disagreed with that, but

2084
01:48:36,093 --> 01:48:37,013
Speaker 6: which she was told that.

2085
01:48:37,652 --> 01:48:38,333
Speaker 2: It's very true.

2086
01:48:38,492 --> 01:48:40,492
Speaker 6: I mean, I eat all these callers to ring up

2087
01:48:40,532 --> 01:48:41,812
Speaker 6: and say she didn't know.

2088
01:48:42,053 --> 01:48:42,652
Speaker 13: She knew.

2089
01:48:43,173 --> 01:48:45,412
Speaker 6: If she had lawyers, they would know and they would

2090
01:48:45,452 --> 01:48:46,173
Speaker 6: be telling her.

2091
01:48:46,812 --> 01:48:50,133
Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll find that information out, David. But you're quite right.

2092
01:48:50,173 --> 01:48:52,852
Speaker 2: I mean, on a pr side of things, if it

2093
01:48:52,893 --> 01:48:54,612
Speaker 2: was all worked out and she's coming back into the

2094
01:48:54,612 --> 01:48:56,612
Speaker 2: fold and we can all move on, it should have

2095
01:48:56,612 --> 01:48:59,412
Speaker 2: been a united front, right, the CEO and Dame Nolean

2096
01:48:59,532 --> 01:49:03,173
Speaker 2: doing these interviews together. That's certainly would have presented a

2097
01:49:03,452 --> 01:49:06,612
Speaker 2: more united front that we could move on. And I

2098
01:49:06,612 --> 01:49:10,213
Speaker 2: do agree with you that perhaps the interviews that Dame

2099
01:49:10,293 --> 01:49:12,293
Speaker 2: Nolean did this morning with Mike and then went on

2100
01:49:12,372 --> 01:49:15,452
Speaker 2: to do them with others might make things even trickier.

2101
01:49:16,612 --> 01:49:16,812
Speaker 5: Yep.

2102
01:49:18,412 --> 01:49:21,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, good to check with you, David. Thank you very much.

2103
01:49:21,812 --> 01:49:25,212
Speaker 2: It is thirteen to four, Darren. How are you this afternoon?

2104
01:49:26,093 --> 01:49:27,372
Speaker 13: Yeah? Good? I tell her how you mate?

2105
01:49:27,372 --> 01:49:28,652
Speaker 2: Good mate? What do you reckon?

2106
01:49:28,812 --> 01:49:30,932
Speaker 13: Yeah? Yeah, he was pretty fired up when.

2107
01:49:30,853 --> 01:49:33,293
Speaker 2: He certainly was. Then it got me fired up, and

2108
01:49:33,293 --> 01:49:36,492
Speaker 2: then it gets everybody on the art he was.

2109
01:49:36,692 --> 01:49:37,572
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, he was good.

2110
01:49:37,772 --> 01:49:38,012
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2111
01:49:38,133 --> 01:49:40,053
Speaker 26: I like everyone's gonna have their opinion, absolutely, and I

2112
01:49:40,093 --> 01:49:45,013
Speaker 26: can see what he's saying. But I mean, yeah, at

2113
01:49:45,013 --> 01:49:47,052
Speaker 26: the end of the day, the buck stops at New Zealand,

2114
01:49:47,093 --> 01:49:49,093
Speaker 26: Depp Boay. I mean, if the players have gone to

2115
01:49:49,133 --> 01:49:51,732
Speaker 26: them and it's been created internally with Netball New Zealand,

2116
01:49:52,133 --> 01:49:54,732
Speaker 26: then like what you're saying is and I'm I'm a

2117
01:49:55,652 --> 01:49:58,253
Speaker 26: Dame Nolan. I like hair, but I think what she

2118
01:49:58,333 --> 01:50:00,293
Speaker 26: said a couple of things this morning and her interviews

2119
01:50:00,732 --> 01:50:03,372
Speaker 26: isn't quite right saying like that guy said about my

2120
01:50:03,532 --> 01:50:06,612
Speaker 26: truth and you know that sort of stuff that sort

2121
01:50:06,612 --> 01:50:10,213
Speaker 26: of complicates things when you start speaking most sorts of them.

2122
01:50:10,293 --> 01:50:13,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, it puts the antennas up of most most people,

2123
01:50:13,213 --> 01:50:15,253
Speaker 2: doesn't it down. When you hear that sort of phrases, think, well,

2124
01:50:15,372 --> 01:50:17,333
Speaker 2: that's there's something written by a PR person.

2125
01:50:18,452 --> 01:50:19,253
Speaker 13: Yeah it does.

2126
01:50:19,293 --> 01:50:21,572
Speaker 26: You know that she's just not helping herself with that

2127
01:50:21,612 --> 01:50:22,932
Speaker 26: sort of thing. But at the end of the day,

2128
01:50:24,372 --> 01:50:30,172
Speaker 26: whatever the complaint was, if there was legally an issue,

2129
01:50:30,253 --> 01:50:33,173
Speaker 26: or it was at a point where it was untenable,

2130
01:50:33,253 --> 01:50:38,452
Speaker 26: then Dame Noling would be gone. You know, it looks

2131
01:50:38,492 --> 01:50:40,293
Speaker 26: like New Zealand and Nebbele have had to back down.

2132
01:50:40,412 --> 01:50:42,932
Speaker 26: I mean, obviously we don't know all the intricacies about it,

2133
01:50:43,893 --> 01:50:46,412
Speaker 26: but they've had to back down and reinstate here. Whether

2134
01:50:46,452 --> 01:50:49,372
Speaker 26: that's for legal reasons or and we may never know,

2135
01:50:50,652 --> 01:50:53,333
Speaker 26: but there is accountability on both sides, and hey, there

2136
01:50:53,333 --> 01:50:57,213
Speaker 26: could have been genuine player wealthare issues that they've brought up.

2137
01:50:57,652 --> 01:51:00,452
Speaker 26: But at the end of the day, no matter how

2138
01:51:00,492 --> 01:51:04,333
Speaker 26: you want to play it out, Netble New Zealand haven't

2139
01:51:04,372 --> 01:51:05,173
Speaker 26: handled it well.

2140
01:51:05,293 --> 01:51:06,932
Speaker 13: If that was the case of well, I mean, I've.

2141
01:51:06,772 --> 01:51:10,772
Speaker 26: Been involved in work and sporting team issues in the

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Speaker 26: past as well, and as a professional organization or whatever

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Speaker 26: has been brought up, it's obviously been poorly handled.

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Speaker 13: I mean it has just right across right from a.

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Speaker 2: Wead go nicely, said Darren. So, so do you think

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01:51:26,732 --> 01:51:30,333
Speaker 2: this can be all put behind the organization and for

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Speaker 2: Dame Nolean or do you think there could be.

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Speaker 13: It's pretty hard.

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Speaker 26: I mean, like because I mean, obviously Dame Nolean, you

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Speaker 26: don't know she's saying yep, she's focused on that, but

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01:51:41,093 --> 01:51:42,973
Speaker 26: deep down is there little is that little bit of

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01:51:43,053 --> 01:51:46,052
Speaker 26: resentment and I mean Jenny Wiley or whatever name, she's

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01:51:46,053 --> 01:51:50,652
Speaker 26: getting murdered in the press, like those sorts of people.

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Speaker 26: And because she's the she's the fatal point, because she's

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Speaker 26: the CEO, and unfortunately, yeah, kick, can all those people

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01:51:57,732 --> 01:52:00,492
Speaker 26: come together? And then I've been in situations where people

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01:52:00,532 --> 01:52:02,372
Speaker 26: can put it to the side and carry on working

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01:52:02,532 --> 01:52:05,492
Speaker 26: or playing together. But there's also there's times where people

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Speaker 26: can't yes and something, and then people have got to go.

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Speaker 2: Darren, Well, pot mate, thank you very much for you

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Speaker 2: for giving me a buzz. We'll take a few more

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01:52:13,173 --> 01:52:14,692
Speaker 2: calls on this one. I wait, one hundred and eighty

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01:52:14,732 --> 01:52:17,532
Speaker 2: ten eighty is that number of call and plenty of

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01:52:17,612 --> 01:52:19,293
Speaker 2: texts firing through as well. We'll get to a few

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Speaker 2: of those shortly. It is ten to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

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01:52:24,933 --> 01:52:28,693
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

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Speaker 1: used talks.

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Speaker 5: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. It is seven to four. A few more calls

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01:52:34,013 --> 01:52:36,652
Speaker 2: about what's happened with Dame nolean Total or get a

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01:52:36,732 --> 01:52:38,412
Speaker 2: Jessica good day?

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Speaker 12: Here?

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Speaker 6: Are you going very good?

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01:52:39,732 --> 01:52:40,372
Speaker 2: Nice to chat?

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Speaker 27: I think we need to stop the crap hair a

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Speaker 27: little bit so. Dame Nolane is a hard as she's

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Speaker 27: old school, she's tough, she's disciplined, and in the score

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Speaker 27: at the moment, there are a couple of princesses.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, a lot of people feel a lot of

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01:52:57,973 --> 01:52:59,293
Speaker 2: people feel the way you feel.

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Speaker 27: They would have made a bullying allegation. You have to

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01:53:02,452 --> 01:53:04,772
Speaker 27: take it seriously because it's an h half thing. But

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Speaker 27: they haven't handled it well. But she is, she's a harder,

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01:53:07,612 --> 01:53:10,812
Speaker 27: she's tough, and she's fear and she demands the best,

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Speaker 27: and she's doing when she's doing that she's doing, all

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Speaker 27: of us are favored.

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Speaker 2: I mean the difference here in my eyes, Jessica and

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Speaker 2: keen to get your thoughts on it is at that

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Speaker 2: elite sport level. And you're right, we've got to be

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Speaker 2: careful around the mental pressures that elite athletes face, and

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Speaker 2: you've got to be mindful of that and have processes

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Speaker 2: in place. But it should be a tough environment. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm not a sports person, you know, That's

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Speaker 2: why most of us never make it is because it

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Speaker 2: is incredibly tough, and you've got to be an extraordinary

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Speaker 2: person to get to that point. And ideally, at that

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Speaker 2: point you've got that mental strength to be able to

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Speaker 2: take some tough criticism.

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Speaker 27: Oh absolutely. And that's also what she speaks to your

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Speaker 27: players as well. She demands that they rise. That's a

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Speaker 27: part of her philosophy and a part of her coaching technique.

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Speaker 27: And I could see how that could be interpreted in

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01:54:00,572 --> 01:54:05,692
Speaker 27: a workplace environment really as being too hard and too billying.

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Speaker 27: But you were completely right. The premier athletes at the

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01:54:08,213 --> 01:54:10,852
Speaker 27: time of their game, this is what this is what's

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Speaker 27: surmanded of.

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Speaker 2: Them and the future of the Silver Ferns with Dame Nolen,

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Speaker 2: do you think this can all be moved on from

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Speaker 2: Jessica or do you have doubts that she can still

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Speaker 2: be successful.

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Speaker 27: I think that they're going to They needs to an

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Speaker 27: eternal investigation in Antonize on Nipple, and I think that's

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Speaker 27: why she stayed around because she needs she knows that

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Speaker 27: she needs to hold that team together while it happens,

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Speaker 27: because that's you know, a woman's got a pride and

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Speaker 27: she's she's been incredibly successful. So I think that's why

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Speaker 27: she's come back, because she knows it needs to be

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01:54:42,933 --> 01:54:45,613
Speaker 27: done and she knows it needs to be someone strongholding

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Speaker 27: the reins when it happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great, cool, Thank you very much, Jessica. I think

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Speaker 2: we've got time for Calvin. Get me old mate from Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: We've got about sixty seconds. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Good ass And Tyler, there's no question at all about

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01:54:59,013 --> 01:55:04,973
Speaker 8: Dame Nolan being a fantastic coach. In the period of

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Speaker 8: five Ossie teams and five New Zealand teams competing for

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Speaker 8: nine years. Dame Nolen was the coach of the Wake

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Speaker 8: of the Openny Magic team in twenty eleven, which was

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Speaker 8: the only team only New Zealand team in that competition

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Speaker 8: to have won it. So there's no questioning her ability

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Speaker 8: and sometimes in different circumstances, you may be forced to

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Speaker 8: sign something and in reality stating that you were not

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Speaker 8: being forced to sign it. In other words, if you

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Speaker 8: wanted the discussion to carry on, you've got to abide

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Speaker 8: by the instructions of what you've signed, even though it's

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Speaker 8: saying that you haven't signed it under being coerced or

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Speaker 8: anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the tricky part, Calvin. Always nice to hear

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Speaker 2: from you, mate, Right, that is where we'll wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: Good discussion when we will see where that goes from

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01:56:03,613 --> 01:56:06,133
Speaker 2: here for Neple New Zealand and Dame Nolean as she

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Speaker 2: comes back into the folder. By the way, if you

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01:56:07,973 --> 01:56:10,453
Speaker 2: want a toe out the full interview with my Costking that

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Speaker 2: is available right now on the news Talk ZEDB website.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much everyone who called and text and

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Speaker 2: today decided to play this great song from Dolly parton

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Speaker 2: Joel Leane simply for the fact that it kind of

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01:56:24,853 --> 01:56:28,972
Speaker 2: sounds like nol Lean. So that's all the justification we need. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for today. We'll do it all

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Speaker 2: again tomorrow. Until then, give them a taste.

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