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Speaker 2: Take it.

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Speaker 3: It is out, The Test is over. Couldn't the smoke

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Speaker 3: was a beauty? It is out here he goes. This

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Speaker 3: On the front puts for Brian Model and Jeremy Coney. Boy,

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Speaker 3: There's been plenty of action in Test cricket. The black

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Speaker 3: Caps displayed patience and efficiency to overcome a spirited but

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Speaker 3: ultimately outclassed Zimbabwe unit. Henry showing his quality. What a series.

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Speaker 3: India's residence and fighting quality, he's helped them outstay England

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Speaker 3: to all the final on that series, Does England have

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Speaker 3: what is needed as they prepare for the Ashes, Well,

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Speaker 3: we can discuss that. We're going to be joined a

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Speaker 3: little later on byes match special commentator Simon Mann. You'll

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Speaker 3: give his reflection, But why don't we get Jeremy Coney's

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Speaker 3: reflection because he sat in the middle of an English

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Speaker 3: commentary box. So to a certain extent, Jerry plenty of

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Speaker 3: cricket to watch, plenty to enjoy, quality, passion, and a

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Speaker 3: bit emotional towards the end. But I suppose you had

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Speaker 5: Hi wats no? You know how objective I am. I

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Speaker 5: try to tell the truth of these matters. But man,

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Speaker 5: that last day of which was really just a bit

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Speaker 5: less than an hour, even hardened chronic watches of cricket

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Speaker 5: like you and I are over our lives, you couldn't

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Speaker 5: the effort, the moment, every ball really and all the fans.

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Speaker 5: I mean they they sold tickets for the last day,

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Speaker 5: eating itself and it's always in trouble in these things.

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Speaker 5: But man, they must have had about twenty thousand there

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Speaker 5: And I saw a gentleman carrying five pints of beer

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Speaker 5: I've got to say. But it was intoxicating for them all.

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Speaker 5: And I don't mean intoxicating because of drinking, but I

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Speaker 3: And that's what we talk about Test cricket, and that's

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Speaker 3: what we want from the Test match game. That's what

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Speaker 3: sits Test cricket above anything else in terms of cricket.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you want to play, the fans just get engaged

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Speaker 3: I was left sort of thinking which side do I

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Speaker 3: Didn't really matter. I didn't know what side I was on.

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Speaker 3: It was just it was great to see Test cricket

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true, and cricket can really heighten things can't

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Speaker 5: it not all the time. That's why we regard these

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Speaker 5: it's a lot of us is pretty anonymous sometimes, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: You know, quiet sort of draws and things like that.

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Speaker 5: certainly memorable. England really should have got the thirty five,

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Speaker 5: there's no doubt about that on that last morning. And

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Speaker 5: That's very brand McCullum, isn't it. You just go and

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Speaker 5: But they tried to be aggressive, probably too much, and

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Speaker 5: And he had done a lot of keeping and maybe

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Speaker 5: Well. The interesting thing for me was, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 5: a real interesting finish to the match, wouldn't it. But yeah, yeah, wounded, Yes,

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Speaker 5: coming down, Yes, heroic, Not sure about that. There have

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Speaker 5: just a fitting end to what's been a really interesting series.

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Speaker 5: He obviously he couldn't bat for very long. He'd only

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we know that Aksin can hit the ball with senate.

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Speaker 3: He scored a Test match hundred. I'd just like to

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Speaker 3: reflect back on New Zealand beating India in India three

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Speaker 3: nil is you know, can you reflect on that half

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Speaker 3: those tests are the greatest moment to a certain extent,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? I mean playing over in India is such a

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Speaker 5: an extraordinary event by New Zealand and we now start

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Speaker 5: So that was a fabulous effort. And when you look

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Speaker 3: It's interesting just to reflect on that silent Man's going

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Speaker 5: it's been a runs dominated game, hasn't it for most

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Speaker 7: It was mad cricket, feverish excitement, tremendous Indian support, tremendous

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Speaker 7: And he's never got a Test one hundred in Australia's

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Speaker 7: got close. He's got in the low nineties way back when.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, he's he's a key player for him. I

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Speaker 7: think I actually think Brooks an important player for England

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Speaker 7: in Australia, and I think Duckett is an important player

436
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Speaker 7: for England Australia and Jamie Smith as well down the order.

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Speaker 7: And you're right, Australia don't seem to have that that's

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Speaker 7: settled top order, so they have flaws in their side

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Speaker 7: as well, which was kind of you know, I mentioned

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Speaker 7: that England and India both had flaws in their side,

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Speaker 7: which kind of made it interesting. His sport was perfect,

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Speaker 7: you know, we probably wouldn't have this kind of drama,

443
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Speaker 7: so it's great that there are people make mistakes. Great

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Speaker 7: that people drop catches in a way, it's great that

445
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Speaker 7: the teams have flaws that the opposition had tried to exploit,

446
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Speaker 7: so that obviously that's something that England will try to exploit.

447
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Speaker 7: Get into Australia quickly and get Steve Smith out there

448
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Speaker 7: and try and put him under pressure. And I always

449
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Speaker 7: just think with Australia though, Australia at home they're so

450
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Speaker 7: difficult and India have been able to ruffle them there.

451
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Speaker 7: They're just so difficult to get and to get after,

452
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Speaker 7: and they all seem to find a way. Someone steps

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Speaker 7: up at a vital point and they have got that

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Speaker 7: good to some extent. Aging bowling attacks is it's kind

455
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Speaker 7: of like it feels a bit like a last hurrah

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Speaker 7: for this Australian side. They are so aging together. It

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Speaker 7: just depends how it all holds together and whether it

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Speaker 7: can hold together, you know, for one last stand. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: England have some they have some good things about their team,

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Speaker 7: as you saw when they came to New Zealand last year,

461
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Speaker 7: but they also have some weaknesses as well that Australia

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Speaker 7: can exploit.

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Speaker 3: How important is Joffra Archer. There's a love of fear

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Speaker 3: in England with Joffra Archie, who does exactly the same

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Speaker 3: as many other bowlers the world over. I mean, we've

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Speaker 3: got will O Raw, there's commons the start, there's plenty

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Speaker 3: about us you bowl at the same pace. Is it

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Speaker 3: actually going to be a significant part of the England

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Speaker 3: attack on the issues?

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Speaker 7: Well, they're hoping. So he came back and played two

471
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Speaker 7: Test matches this summer against India. He had some success,

472
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Speaker 7: picked up some vital wickets. England are hoping that he'll

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Speaker 7: be fit to play a reasonable part. You just never

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Speaker 7: know that. I think this is one of the you know,

475
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Speaker 7: the unknown. This is why I say wait till sort

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Speaker 7: of middle of November, just to see who it will

477
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Speaker 7: be on the park for both teams really and how

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Speaker 7: consistently they can get them on the park. I think

479
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Speaker 7: Archer is part of like a quintetea bowlers. They think

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Speaker 7: they can get them out there consistently that they could

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Speaker 7: do well, and that is that Archer is one. Gus

482
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Speaker 7: Atkinson is another Bridon cass and Ben Stokes, and then

483
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Speaker 7: there's Josh Tungu as well. So if they can get

484
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Speaker 7: those five consistently fit and ready in prime during the series,

485
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Speaker 7: then they could cause Australia some problems, isn't It's noticeable

486
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Speaker 7: that the first three Test matches, the first and second

487
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Speaker 7: Test match is quite spaced out, and the second and

488
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Speaker 7: third is quite spaced out as well, so there's some

489
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Speaker 7: recovery time and then it gets really quite intense at

490
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Speaker 7: the back end of the series and that and that

491
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Speaker 7: goes to Australia as well because they've got some aging bowlers,

492
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Speaker 7: so they want to give their bowlers some recovery time

493
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Speaker 7: as well. So I kind of think they're what they're

494
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Speaker 7: hoping is they'll be threeing the l up after Adelaide

495
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Speaker 7: and it's kind of it's kind of job done and

496
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Speaker 7: then they can, you know, then they can rotate mix

497
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Speaker 7: and match later in the series when it doesn't matter

498
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Speaker 7: quite as much. So go hard, go go hard, go

499
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Speaker 7: early for Australia. So I mean, it's going to be

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Speaker 7: that first day in Perth. It's going to be riveting

501
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Speaker 7: to see how it pans out.

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Speaker 3: Do you see works on the two well.

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Speaker 7: Very I don't think so odds because I mean the

504
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Speaker 7: injury looks so serious. I think it's going to take

505
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Speaker 7: a long time to come back. It's not as bowling arm,

506
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Speaker 7: which is a bonus, but is he going to be

507
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Speaker 7: able to have the have the operation? Is cation Is

508
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Speaker 7: he going to have the operation in time and the

509
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Speaker 7: rehab and be ready to come back and bowl in

510
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Speaker 7: by the twenty first of November, indeed even midway through

511
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Speaker 7: the series or back end of the series. So it's

512
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Speaker 7: desperately sad for him. He's given a huge amount to

513
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Speaker 7: English cricket. It was such a sad moment just to

514
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Speaker 7: see him walking off. A heroic moment, heroic moment to

515
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Speaker 7: see him walking on, but I mean it was I

516
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Speaker 7: don't know what to think about it. Really, he gave

517
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Speaker 7: his all for the team, but it does seem slightly ridiculous.

518
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Speaker 7: You've got to have a sport where a bloke has

519
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Speaker 7: to walk out with j arm in the sling. I mean,

520
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Speaker 7: it's a very emotive photograph, isn't it. And TV pitch

521
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Speaker 7: is to see that happening. But is it good for

522
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Speaker 7: the sport that that has to happen. We're on another

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Speaker 7: topic suddenly, which is the potential for substitutions, which we

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Speaker 7: partly have in cricket. But you wonder whether for you know,

525
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Speaker 7: absolutely kind of like obviously provable injuries whether you you

526
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Speaker 7: should be able to have a sub or not. I

527
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Speaker 7: mean that's probably for another day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well something that can be used rather poorly by

529
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Speaker 3: size as well, take injured players into test message. Yeah,

530
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Speaker 3: another subject. Finally, it's a word I sort of don't enjoy.

531
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Speaker 3: It's called bez ball. Can England play that way in Australia?

532
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Speaker 3: Can they stick to the system that's been set up

533
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Speaker 3: by McCullum and Stokes or do they have to adjust that?

534
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Speaker 3: Do they have to show a bit more discipline in

535
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Speaker 3: how they play the game.

536
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Speaker 7: Well, I think the interesting thing here, well or two things,

537
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Speaker 7: is that they don't think they play a bazball because

538
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Speaker 7: of course this was the name given to the way

539
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Speaker 7: England play by a journalist and it kind of stuck

540
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Speaker 7: and it's become a bit of a cliche anyway, that's

541
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Speaker 7: a side issue in a way. But what has been

542
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Speaker 7: interesting this summer is England have played a different way.

543
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Speaker 7: They have been aggressive at times, but they've also sat

544
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Speaker 7: in at times as well, and so we have seen

545
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Speaker 7: a more hard headed approach from England this summer, a

546
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Speaker 7: different approach and a not a typical bas ball approach

547
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Speaker 7: if you like. Where they've just gone at it hard

548
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Speaker 7: the whole time. For example, Lords on the first day

549
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Speaker 7: they scored something like from memory two fifty eight for four. Well,

550
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Speaker 7: you know, that's not the way England have been playing

551
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Speaker 7: in the last three years. It's almost as if they've

552
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Speaker 7: played a certain way to get them to a staging

553
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Speaker 7: post and now they want to play in a slightly

554
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Speaker 7: different way. I think it was about trying to be

555
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Speaker 7: a bit more hard headed and trying to win. They roped,

556
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Speaker 7: they dropped the series in Pakistan, they lost the last

557
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Speaker 7: two Test matches, They lost a Test match against Sri

558
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Speaker 7: Lanka the last summer at home through carelessness, they lost

559
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Speaker 7: the last Test in New Zealand, and I think there

560
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Speaker 7: was a feeling, come on, we need to start actually

561
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Speaker 7: winning these matches and the end of series games. And

562
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Speaker 7: so they have played in a different way this summer

563
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Speaker 7: and I think they recognized that they they probably needed

564
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Speaker 7: to adjust to take on India at home and certainly

565
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Speaker 7: Australia away. So I think there will still be a

566
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Speaker 7: positive approach from the likes of duck It and Crawley

567
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Speaker 7: and brought, But I mean you've definitely seen a really

568
00:31:10,573 --> 00:31:12,813
Speaker 7: hard headed approach from Joe Rout he's put away the

569
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Speaker 7: reverse ramp and all that sort of stuff, so you know,

570
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Speaker 7: he and just gone with what he knows best and

571
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Speaker 7: it's actually producing amazing results. So I don't think you're

572
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Speaker 7: going to see a kamikaze reckless approach from England the Ashes.

573
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Speaker 7: There's definitely been a refinement this summer and I think

574
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Speaker 7: a lot of English supporters think thank God for that

575
00:31:33,253 --> 00:31:36,733
Speaker 7: because they have got a bit they've enjoyed it, but

576
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Speaker 7: they've also got a bit fed up sometimes with the

577
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Speaker 7: tossing wickets away or just playing in what seems like

578
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Speaker 7: a reckless fashion. So yeah, refinement has arrivedods, but it

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Speaker 7: hasn't produced a serious victory.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're excited about it here because it's more Test

581
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Speaker 3: cricket than we're going to see. We've got three Test

582
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Speaker 3: matches and twenty seven to one day t twenty games

583
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Speaker 3: as well, and we're playing Test matches against the Wist.

584
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Speaker 3: And there's not that I'm down playing the West Indies,

585
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Speaker 3: but the Ash has always attracts our attention. We won't

586
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Speaker 3: see you in New Zealand for the short form game.

587
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Speaker 3: Will you be making the ashous tour or is it

588
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Speaker 3: something you have to wait and see.

589
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, no, I hope, so I hope to be there. Look,

590
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Speaker 7: we've you know what's like with English cricket, you build

591
00:32:19,453 --> 00:32:21,533
Speaker 7: up to the ash that we'd love all Test cricket.

592
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Speaker 7: Actually in any Test match is an event, but it's

593
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Speaker 7: that locking horns with Australia that gets the juice is flowing.

594
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Speaker 7: And as I said earlier, it's about can England compete.

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Speaker 7: You know, I've been to Australia many times in the

596
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Speaker 7: last few years and you you know, the series is

597
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Speaker 7: over basically after the first Test match I think they

598
00:32:40,613 --> 00:32:43,933
Speaker 7: have been thumped and certainly after the second Test match

599
00:32:43,973 --> 00:32:46,853
Speaker 7: when they've lost again. So that's the narrative they need

600
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Speaker 7: to try to change this time. And yeah, really really

601
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Speaker 7: looking forward to it to see whether it's possible or not.

602
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think they've got more of a chance

603
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Speaker 7: this time than they've had since twenty ten eleven, but

604
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Speaker 7: Australia are very clearly still favorites.

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Speaker 3: Yep, well, we'll look forward to it. Thanks for your time, Simon.

606
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Speaker 3: I hope will you you see you in this part

607
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Speaker 3: of the world. Even if you don't get to New Zealand,

608
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Speaker 3: you'll enjoy Australia through your English Winter.

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Speaker 7: Indeed, well, that's one of the bonuses. That's one of

610
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Speaker 7: the bons cricket from the English Winter. Lovely just speak

611
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Speaker 7: to you words, thanks amen, appreciate it, all the best words. Yeah,

612
00:33:27,293 --> 00:33:29,013
Speaker 7: speak to you again sometime. All the best.

613
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Speaker 4: Bye bye on the front foot with Waddle and Cody.

614
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Speaker 3: It's taken Matt Henry sometime since his debut Test ten

615
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Speaker 3: years ago to take his place as the leader of

616
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Speaker 3: the black Caps attack. He had to wait in line Bolt, Southy,

617
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Speaker 3: Wagner and in recent times Jamison. But since twenty twenty two,

618
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Speaker 3: when he took his career best figures seven for twenty three,

619
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Speaker 3: Henry's performance has demanded first choice. Now the leader of

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Speaker 3: the pack five five wicket bags. Since the start of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four against Australia, Matt Henry has played seven

622
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Speaker 3: Tests for fifty one Test wickets seven a Test sixteen

623
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Speaker 3: point eighty four. It was only appropriate that Henry should

624
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Speaker 3: be Man of the Match in Bulawayo.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think losing the toss on day one probably played

627
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Speaker 8: a little bit more in their hands than we probably

628
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Speaker 8: would have expected. It was a little bit soft. We

629
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Speaker 8: thought it would do a little bit for the first hour,

630
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Speaker 8: but we actually had a couple of hours where we

631
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Speaker 8: could found a little bit of lateral movement but also

632
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Speaker 8: for the spinners to actually get a bit of turn

633
00:34:31,933 --> 00:34:35,133
Speaker 8: as well. So yep, I was obviously a great start

634
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Speaker 8: out here.

635
00:34:36,413 --> 00:34:39,293
Speaker 3: Zimbabwe took some time to establish themselves with the bat,

636
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Speaker 3: but they just played some real fighting qualities.

637
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think they showed it as well, though I

638
00:34:44,173 --> 00:34:48,413
Speaker 8: think it's a playing chest. Cricket overseas is always as

639
00:34:48,493 --> 00:34:50,813
Speaker 8: tough where we review play and we know it was

640
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Speaker 8: a very good side and the proud side as well,

641
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Speaker 8: So I think we knew that we were going to

642
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Speaker 8: have to be relentless and start this test series really strong.

643
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Speaker 3: Well in first difficult to battle on.

644
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Speaker 8: Early, I think from our point of view, once we

645
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Speaker 8: assessed that it was doing a little bit on day

646
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Speaker 8: one when you was a really important to get ahead

647
00:35:09,533 --> 00:35:12,053
Speaker 8: of the game, and thankfully as a unit we bowled

648
00:35:12,093 --> 00:35:14,533
Speaker 8: really well to put some Bubbe under pressure because when

649
00:35:14,573 --> 00:35:17,933
Speaker 8: you it probably would get better as the game did progress.

650
00:35:18,053 --> 00:35:20,813
Speaker 8: So it's obviously to be able to get that start

651
00:35:20,853 --> 00:35:24,733
Speaker 8: on day one was really important and to capitalize on it.

652
00:35:24,733 --> 00:35:29,733
Speaker 3: It wasn't only himself that the credit. He was also

653
00:35:30,373 --> 00:35:32,293
Speaker 3: complimentary of the rest of the bowling attack.

654
00:35:33,213 --> 00:35:34,933
Speaker 8: I think when you're coming here, you want to bowl

655
00:35:34,933 --> 00:35:37,573
Speaker 8: as a collective unit, but you just want to have

656
00:35:37,653 --> 00:35:40,533
Speaker 8: an impact. So I think to be able to impact

657
00:35:40,533 --> 00:35:43,293
Speaker 8: the game, and I suppose put some Bubble under pressure

658
00:35:43,453 --> 00:35:47,293
Speaker 8: early on and then coming back out here today. No,

659
00:35:47,413 --> 00:35:49,013
Speaker 8: it was a big day and we had to make

660
00:35:49,053 --> 00:35:51,653
Speaker 8: the most of probably that new ball, because the longer

661
00:35:51,653 --> 00:35:53,733
Speaker 8: the game went on, probably the tougher was going to get.

662
00:35:53,933 --> 00:35:56,693
Speaker 8: As they showed that fight in the afternoon.

663
00:35:57,253 --> 00:35:58,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think at the.

664
00:35:58,093 --> 00:36:00,533
Speaker 8: End of the day, when you're presented that on day one,

665
00:36:01,333 --> 00:36:04,213
Speaker 8: I think we exploited the conditions really well. You never

666
00:36:04,253 --> 00:36:05,853
Speaker 8: know what you're going to get with the cricket worker

667
00:36:05,973 --> 00:36:07,853
Speaker 8: and there was a little bit of movement and it

668
00:36:07,893 --> 00:36:09,933
Speaker 8: took to a little bit of turn which allowed us

669
00:36:09,973 --> 00:36:11,853
Speaker 8: to get ahead of the game. We know that there's

670
00:36:11,853 --> 00:36:14,933
Speaker 8: some classy batsman in the lineup, so to be able

671
00:36:14,933 --> 00:36:16,813
Speaker 8: to put them under pressure early and expose them to

672
00:36:16,853 --> 00:36:19,813
Speaker 8: the new ball was really important. And on the bowling side,

673
00:36:19,813 --> 00:36:21,813
Speaker 8: they bowled really well. And I think the way that

674
00:36:22,413 --> 00:36:25,933
Speaker 8: our bat has navigated those tough periods that first night,

675
00:36:26,013 --> 00:36:30,333
Speaker 8: the way that Devin Young got through that night was impressive.

676
00:36:30,373 --> 00:36:33,493
Speaker 8: It was some high quality bowling were put under pressure

677
00:36:33,573 --> 00:36:36,853
Speaker 8: right throughout and then obviously coming back in the morning

678
00:36:37,053 --> 00:36:39,773
Speaker 8: that didn't stop. I think they were relentless right through

679
00:36:39,853 --> 00:36:43,613
Speaker 8: and put us under pressure at different times. But I

680
00:36:43,613 --> 00:36:45,573
Speaker 8: think sometimes you got to tell your hat off. The

681
00:36:45,573 --> 00:36:48,213
Speaker 8: way that our guys actually batted and weather that storm

682
00:36:48,293 --> 00:36:51,133
Speaker 8: and got to the older ball to put some runs

683
00:36:51,173 --> 00:36:52,973
Speaker 8: on the board and put some pressure back on them.

684
00:36:52,973 --> 00:36:56,533
Speaker 3: That way for five back must have been satisfying.

685
00:36:56,693 --> 00:36:59,373
Speaker 8: Yeah, I suppose it's for me having an impact on

686
00:36:59,413 --> 00:37:04,493
Speaker 8: the game. It's pretty special to play test cricket.

687
00:37:04,253 --> 00:37:04,813
Speaker 6: For New Zealand.

688
00:37:04,853 --> 00:37:06,493
Speaker 8: That's something is a key you've always wanted to do

689
00:37:06,573 --> 00:37:10,013
Speaker 8: and we didn't be on the right side of test factories.

690
00:37:10,333 --> 00:37:11,253
Speaker 6: It's pretty special.

691
00:37:11,293 --> 00:37:14,333
Speaker 8: So I think for me to be able to have

692
00:37:14,413 --> 00:37:17,093
Speaker 8: a high impact is probably the special part, not necessarily

693
00:37:17,093 --> 00:37:19,533
Speaker 8: the figures, but I think the way that we went

694
00:37:19,573 --> 00:37:20,653
Speaker 8: about it as a group was.

695
00:37:21,053 --> 00:37:22,813
Speaker 6: Awesome, So pretty pleased.

696
00:37:23,253 --> 00:37:25,933
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, yeah, it is nice obviously when you

697
00:37:25,973 --> 00:37:29,293
Speaker 8: get those days, because yeah, they are few and far between,

698
00:37:29,333 --> 00:37:32,813
Speaker 8: I suppose, But so when you do, you do reflect

699
00:37:32,813 --> 00:37:35,253
Speaker 8: on the hard work that's got into where you are

700
00:37:35,333 --> 00:37:37,613
Speaker 8: and you're always trying to evolve as a cricketer and

701
00:37:38,093 --> 00:37:40,693
Speaker 8: fine tune your skill set and I suppose the sect

702
00:37:40,693 --> 00:37:42,533
Speaker 8: for us that you make along the way to get there.

703
00:37:42,573 --> 00:37:44,653
Speaker 8: So it is nice minute you're on the other side

704
00:37:44,653 --> 00:37:48,693
Speaker 8: of it and you have those I suppose those impactful games.

705
00:37:48,773 --> 00:37:52,373
Speaker 3: Well, one man who was probably in contention for Mantle Match.

706
00:37:52,373 --> 00:37:54,013
Speaker 3: In fact, there were probably two of them new Ds

707
00:37:54,053 --> 00:37:57,733
Speaker 3: Devin Conway and the Daryl Mitchell, but they were beaten

708
00:37:57,773 --> 00:38:02,333
Speaker 3: out for that title by Matt Henry and Daryl Mitchell

709
00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:06,373
Speaker 3: joined us ahead of the second Test. Daryl was a

710
00:38:06,413 --> 00:38:09,813
Speaker 3: great performance by the team in what seemed to be

711
00:38:09,973 --> 00:38:11,933
Speaker 3: difficult conditions in Ballaway.

712
00:38:12,813 --> 00:38:14,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's I guess it's always nice to win

713
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:17,853
Speaker 2: Test matches first and foremost, and yeah, to do it

714
00:38:17,893 --> 00:38:20,493
Speaker 2: and conditions that we probably weren't prepared for in terms

715
00:38:20,493 --> 00:38:23,053
Speaker 2: of we not what we were expecting here in Zimbabwe

716
00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:25,693
Speaker 2: with the extra bounce, So you're nice to walk away

717
00:38:25,893 --> 00:38:28,933
Speaker 2: and get it done in three days is always makes

718
00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:29,693
Speaker 2: it a little bit better.

719
00:38:29,933 --> 00:38:33,413
Speaker 3: Matt Henry another five for in the last eighteen months,

720
00:38:33,413 --> 00:38:38,253
Speaker 3: he's really taken control of the leadership of the black

721
00:38:38,293 --> 00:38:39,413
Speaker 3: Caps attack, hasn't.

722
00:38:39,133 --> 00:38:40,253
Speaker 6: Heh He's been awesome.

723
00:38:40,333 --> 00:38:42,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you say, over the last couple of years,

724
00:38:42,173 --> 00:38:45,133
Speaker 2: he's done a great job leading this attack and he

725
00:38:45,213 --> 00:38:46,653
Speaker 2: finds ways to get things out.

726
00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:47,733
Speaker 6: Of the pitch that no one else can.

727
00:38:47,853 --> 00:38:51,053
Speaker 2: So yeah, long mate, continue and yeah, awesome to see

728
00:38:51,093 --> 00:38:52,133
Speaker 2: him have the success he is.

729
00:38:52,373 --> 00:38:54,653
Speaker 3: Well. He seemed to be able to extract something from

730
00:38:54,653 --> 00:38:57,253
Speaker 3: a pitch that didn't appear that easy to bet on.

731
00:38:57,613 --> 00:39:00,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was definitely it was on the greener

732
00:39:00,733 --> 00:39:03,813
Speaker 2: side to start, would say, And definitely that sort of

733
00:39:03,853 --> 00:39:07,573
Speaker 2: extra tennis baw lely bounce made it challenging. The lack

734
00:39:07,573 --> 00:39:10,293
Speaker 2: of consistency and that meant that you're trying to work

735
00:39:10,293 --> 00:39:12,093
Speaker 2: out what height the ball was going to come throughout

736
00:39:12,173 --> 00:39:13,093
Speaker 2: was quite tough.

737
00:39:13,173 --> 00:39:15,333
Speaker 6: So look at hen as he can. He can see

738
00:39:15,373 --> 00:39:16,253
Speaker 6: it on glass.

739
00:39:16,053 --> 00:39:18,613
Speaker 2: He's got an amazing skill of bowling that fuller length

740
00:39:18,653 --> 00:39:21,213
Speaker 2: but still being very heavy and getting something out of it.

741
00:39:21,253 --> 00:39:23,653
Speaker 6: And you're awesome to see him keep doing the job.

742
00:39:24,173 --> 00:39:26,013
Speaker 3: You'd probably see a bit of that because you spend

743
00:39:26,013 --> 00:39:28,373
Speaker 3: the fear about of your time when the seamers at

744
00:39:28,413 --> 00:39:31,573
Speaker 3: Slip Too, alongside Tom Blundele and the others who field

745
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:32,053
Speaker 3: in the cordon.

746
00:39:32,533 --> 00:39:35,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you obviously get a pretty good view parked

747
00:39:35,053 --> 00:39:37,533
Speaker 2: up on the limo there and fair slip. So also

748
00:39:37,573 --> 00:39:40,493
Speaker 2: with Matt being my domestic teammate with Canterbury as well,

749
00:39:40,533 --> 00:39:42,613
Speaker 2: we have faced him a lot on the nets and

750
00:39:42,653 --> 00:39:44,453
Speaker 2: I know how hard, how hard that.

751
00:39:44,373 --> 00:39:46,533
Speaker 6: Can be, so yeah, it's awesome to see him have success.

752
00:39:46,813 --> 00:39:49,493
Speaker 3: What about your betting, how did you find it in

753
00:39:49,613 --> 00:39:52,213
Speaker 3: terms of trying to gain some rhythm? It seemed as

754
00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:54,413
Speaker 3: it was difficult to get batting rhythm.

755
00:39:54,653 --> 00:39:55,013
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.

756
00:39:55,093 --> 00:39:57,053
Speaker 2: It was very hard I guess to access the ball

757
00:39:57,093 --> 00:39:59,733
Speaker 2: down the ground with that extra bounce. So it was

758
00:40:00,213 --> 00:40:02,293
Speaker 2: I'm lucky where our bat sort in that five spot.

759
00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:04,693
Speaker 2: I can see what's happening early on and try and

760
00:40:04,733 --> 00:40:06,453
Speaker 2: come up with a game plan for when I walk

761
00:40:06,493 --> 00:40:07,053
Speaker 2: out to bat.

762
00:40:07,853 --> 00:40:09,653
Speaker 6: Yeah, adapting on that on that.

763
00:40:09,613 --> 00:40:12,013
Speaker 2: Surface, and still trying to find ways to put pressure

764
00:40:12,013 --> 00:40:13,493
Speaker 2: on their bowlers because we've got to keep trying to

765
00:40:13,533 --> 00:40:17,293
Speaker 2: score on those types of surfaces. But yeah, although we

766
00:40:17,293 --> 00:40:19,733
Speaker 2: would have liked, I guess a bigger lead. I think

767
00:40:19,773 --> 00:40:21,973
Speaker 2: when you get sort of that one fifty lead and

768
00:40:22,013 --> 00:40:23,573
Speaker 2: score over three hundred, you take that.

769
00:40:24,053 --> 00:40:25,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks as though you might well have been

770
00:40:25,533 --> 00:40:27,773
Speaker 3: able to do that at one stage, but their attack

771
00:40:27,893 --> 00:40:31,493
Speaker 3: came back on that check and the morning, and they

772
00:40:31,573 --> 00:40:33,373
Speaker 3: got some interesting question, haven't.

773
00:40:33,133 --> 00:40:36,413
Speaker 2: They think got some good seamers, especially Blessing the big

774
00:40:36,413 --> 00:40:38,533
Speaker 2: tour on is it reminds me of Yle Jamison, the

775
00:40:38,533 --> 00:40:40,413
Speaker 2: way he hits the wicket and gets that extra bounce,

776
00:40:40,453 --> 00:40:43,573
Speaker 2: and we recognize the surfaces over here in the morning

777
00:40:43,573 --> 00:40:46,573
Speaker 2: because it's it is winter, it is quite cold, and

778
00:40:46,813 --> 00:40:48,613
Speaker 2: the pitch can be a little bit tacky. So that's

779
00:40:48,653 --> 00:40:51,613
Speaker 2: sort of first hour, hour and a half is very challenging,

780
00:40:51,653 --> 00:40:53,693
Speaker 2: and then we've got to make sure we can I guess,

781
00:40:53,693 --> 00:40:56,173
Speaker 2: get through that and keep trying to build partnerships throughout

782
00:40:56,173 --> 00:40:56,493
Speaker 2: the day.

783
00:40:56,533 --> 00:40:58,013
Speaker 6: But yeah, they've got a.

784
00:40:57,973 --> 00:41:00,093
Speaker 2: Very good bowling attack, and you definitely have to make

785
00:41:00,093 --> 00:41:01,093
Speaker 2: sure you're on every ball.

786
00:41:01,773 --> 00:41:05,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, those partnerships are obviously important when you're to a

787
00:41:05,533 --> 00:41:07,973
Speaker 3: certain extent batting with the lower order, aren't you the

788
00:41:08,053 --> 00:41:10,853
Speaker 3: tail five and six generally gets that role. Does it

789
00:41:10,933 --> 00:41:13,293
Speaker 3: mean that you have to change your game and how

790
00:41:13,333 --> 00:41:13,773
Speaker 3: you play?

791
00:41:14,373 --> 00:41:17,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's again it's adapting to different situations.

792
00:41:17,533 --> 00:41:20,893
Speaker 2: And the benefit of I guess having played a little

793
00:41:20,933 --> 00:41:23,173
Speaker 2: bit now across all three formats is you know, different

794
00:41:23,173 --> 00:41:25,973
Speaker 2: teampots to go at different times, and yeah, there's times

795
00:41:26,013 --> 00:41:27,533
Speaker 2: where you have to guess, put your foot down when

796
00:41:27,533 --> 00:41:30,253
Speaker 2: you're batting with the lower order. And also there's also

797
00:41:30,293 --> 00:41:32,333
Speaker 2: times we've got to soak up pressure and keep trying

798
00:41:32,333 --> 00:41:34,413
Speaker 2: to get through because you know, you might that bowler

799
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:36,773
Speaker 2: might be have one, one or two overs left to

800
00:41:36,773 --> 00:41:39,733
Speaker 2: get through that spell. So you're constantly working with each

801
00:41:39,773 --> 00:41:41,973
Speaker 2: other and trying to find ways to win those little

802
00:41:41,973 --> 00:41:44,613
Speaker 2: moments and hopefully get the job done.

803
00:41:45,013 --> 00:41:48,813
Speaker 3: Your experienced player now internationally in all formats of the game,

804
00:41:49,373 --> 00:41:53,053
Speaker 3: how easy is it for you to adapt to a

805
00:41:53,133 --> 00:41:56,013
Speaker 3: Test match from the short form? I mean, you've just

806
00:41:56,053 --> 00:41:59,293
Speaker 3: come off what the American MLC, haven't you.

807
00:41:59,693 --> 00:42:02,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the challenge, I guess, of all three formats,

808
00:42:02,693 --> 00:42:05,653
Speaker 2: and it is it is. It is tough to go

809
00:42:05,733 --> 00:42:08,413
Speaker 2: sort of different format one day to the next. You

810
00:42:08,413 --> 00:42:10,733
Speaker 2: obviously got I've got some key things I work on

811
00:42:10,773 --> 00:42:13,173
Speaker 2: in the days leading up to those each games, whether

812
00:42:13,213 --> 00:42:15,613
Speaker 2: it be T twenty early eye or tests to make

813
00:42:15,653 --> 00:42:17,133
Speaker 2: sure I'm ready to go, and a lot of I

814
00:42:17,133 --> 00:42:20,773
Speaker 2: guess visualization and mental prep to especially heading into Test

815
00:42:20,773 --> 00:42:22,693
Speaker 2: cricket to have a bat for longer periods of time.

816
00:42:22,853 --> 00:42:25,493
Speaker 2: So yeah, it is a challenge but it's a fun challenge.

817
00:42:25,493 --> 00:42:27,733
Speaker 2: That's why you do it. It tests makes you a

818
00:42:27,733 --> 00:42:29,573
Speaker 2: better player and you keep trying to find ways to

819
00:42:29,573 --> 00:42:30,013
Speaker 2: get better.

820
00:42:30,653 --> 00:42:33,053
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well it's going to be come more and more too,

821
00:42:33,173 --> 00:42:36,173
Speaker 3: isn't it, because there is more and more of the

822
00:42:36,253 --> 00:42:40,013
Speaker 3: varying forms of competition. I mean, you're in for a

823
00:42:40,053 --> 00:42:42,573
Speaker 3: fair amount of T twenty cricket, aren't you, leading up

824
00:42:42,613 --> 00:42:44,413
Speaker 3: to the World Cup next year.

825
00:42:45,293 --> 00:42:47,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an exciting time, especially with I guess who's

826
00:42:47,613 --> 00:42:50,013
Speaker 2: coming to us in the home summer with Ozzie England

827
00:42:50,053 --> 00:42:52,693
Speaker 2: and then West Indies before head off to India for

828
00:42:52,733 --> 00:42:56,453
Speaker 2: that World Cup. So yeah, it's it's yeah, it's cool

829
00:42:56,453 --> 00:42:57,893
Speaker 2: time to be part of New Zealand cricket, to be

830
00:42:57,893 --> 00:43:00,173
Speaker 2: part of the black Caps, and yeah, looking forward to it.

831
00:43:01,213 --> 00:43:03,853
Speaker 3: You've got the second Test coming up in a few days.

832
00:43:04,693 --> 00:43:07,093
Speaker 3: Has the side been named for that? Because you're going

833
00:43:07,093 --> 00:43:10,333
Speaker 3: through a few issues within the team, aren't you.

834
00:43:10,373 --> 00:43:12,773
Speaker 2: No, it was still three days out from the game,

835
00:43:12,853 --> 00:43:15,373
Speaker 2: so we've got to light training today. We'll have a

836
00:43:15,373 --> 00:43:17,893
Speaker 2: big day tomorrow and then I guess it's individual prep

837
00:43:17,973 --> 00:43:20,373
Speaker 2: the day before, so I'm sure there'll be plenty of

838
00:43:20,413 --> 00:43:23,453
Speaker 2: conversations over the next forty eight hours to seventy two

839
00:43:23,493 --> 00:43:26,573
Speaker 2: hours to work at what balance. Obviously, we don't know

840
00:43:26,573 --> 00:43:28,773
Speaker 2: what pitch will get again, with it being out in

841
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:30,733
Speaker 2: the sun for the last five days of this Test

842
00:43:30,773 --> 00:43:33,893
Speaker 2: match already, it could be very different to what we

843
00:43:34,013 --> 00:43:35,853
Speaker 2: expected in the first Test. So I guess we'll look

844
00:43:35,853 --> 00:43:37,693
Speaker 2: at that over the next few days and see how

845
00:43:37,693 --> 00:43:39,733
Speaker 2: it's going to play out and that'll affect how we

846
00:43:39,773 --> 00:43:40,293
Speaker 2: go about it.

847
00:43:40,933 --> 00:43:42,973
Speaker 3: Yes, that's winter, but it's still quite warm, I guess,

848
00:43:43,013 --> 00:43:43,413
Speaker 3: is it.

849
00:43:44,133 --> 00:43:46,253
Speaker 2: The morning's cold like I'm with no hair on top.

850
00:43:46,333 --> 00:43:48,013
Speaker 2: I'm wearing a beanie in the morning to try and

851
00:43:48,093 --> 00:43:51,653
Speaker 2: keep the head warm. But I wouldn't say it's warm.

852
00:43:51,693 --> 00:43:55,173
Speaker 2: It's probably getting to about twenty degrees or so during

853
00:43:55,213 --> 00:43:58,813
Speaker 2: the day, so it's Yeah, the mornings are very cold

854
00:43:58,853 --> 00:44:00,733
Speaker 2: and the day's quite nice once the sun comes out,

855
00:44:00,773 --> 00:44:02,453
Speaker 2: and then it gets starts to get it colder again.

856
00:44:03,053 --> 00:44:05,973
Speaker 3: It's interesting though, to reflect because wasn't that the ground

857
00:44:06,013 --> 00:44:09,253
Speaker 3: where Van Mulder got three hundred and seventy and then

858
00:44:09,253 --> 00:44:11,893
Speaker 3: declared when he could have gone ahead of Brian Lara's total.

859
00:44:12,213 --> 00:44:13,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was the ground And that's the

860
00:44:14,613 --> 00:44:16,773
Speaker 2: nature of different times of the year and different months

861
00:44:16,813 --> 00:44:18,973
Speaker 2: is Yeah, you don't know what the surface is going

862
00:44:19,053 --> 00:44:21,613
Speaker 2: to do, so it's a different bowling attack from Zimbabwe.

863
00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:24,733
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's by all accounts there was a lot

864
00:44:24,773 --> 00:44:27,613
Speaker 2: more grass on this pitch than that series. So yeah,

865
00:44:27,653 --> 00:44:29,893
Speaker 2: who knows what the next test will bring, but we'll

866
00:44:29,933 --> 00:44:30,413
Speaker 2: find out.

867
00:44:30,813 --> 00:44:33,093
Speaker 3: So what is the program for you? Now you've had

868
00:44:33,093 --> 00:44:35,453
Speaker 3: a fairly busy winter. Do you get a bit of

869
00:44:35,453 --> 00:44:38,893
Speaker 3: a break for the series starts? I think on the

870
00:44:38,893 --> 00:44:40,093
Speaker 3: first of October, isn't it.

871
00:44:40,493 --> 00:44:41,773
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I guess yeah.

872
00:44:41,813 --> 00:44:45,893
Speaker 2: For me personally, I've been going since was it July

873
00:44:46,053 --> 00:44:48,693
Speaker 2: last year, so it's almost it's over twelve months. I

874
00:44:48,693 --> 00:44:50,373
Speaker 2: think I've had one week of not picking up a

875
00:44:50,373 --> 00:44:53,013
Speaker 2: cricket bat. So I'll take the next sort of five

876
00:44:53,053 --> 00:44:56,853
Speaker 2: weeks off off playing, so probably be a dad for

877
00:44:56,893 --> 00:44:59,373
Speaker 2: a week or so and then start training again. And

878
00:44:59,373 --> 00:45:01,853
Speaker 2: I'm sure our trainer Chris Donaldson will put me through

879
00:45:01,853 --> 00:45:03,813
Speaker 2: the ringer for the next sort of month to get

880
00:45:03,893 --> 00:45:07,413
Speaker 2: us ready for that home series against Australia in October.

881
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:10,253
Speaker 3: Because you've had your family with you in the past,

882
00:45:10,253 --> 00:45:12,213
Speaker 3: haven't you. But I suppose they now have to spend

883
00:45:12,253 --> 00:45:13,773
Speaker 3: time at home and the kids go to school and

884
00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:17,413
Speaker 3: all that left with mum.

885
00:45:17,013 --> 00:45:18,933
Speaker 2: Yep yep in our school's starting to take out that

886
00:45:19,013 --> 00:45:21,373
Speaker 2: I was lucky they came to America for a few

887
00:45:21,373 --> 00:45:23,533
Speaker 2: of those weeks with the MLC, which is a cool

888
00:45:23,573 --> 00:45:26,973
Speaker 2: experience for them to think they are Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders

889
00:45:27,013 --> 00:45:30,893
Speaker 2: for a few weeks. But yeah, obviously that's the nature

890
00:45:30,933 --> 00:45:33,613
Speaker 2: of being an interastraal crickets. You spend a long long

891
00:45:33,613 --> 00:45:36,213
Speaker 2: time away from home and it'll be nice to get

892
00:45:36,253 --> 00:45:37,933
Speaker 2: a few weeks at home over the next month.

893
00:45:38,493 --> 00:45:40,453
Speaker 3: So you played in the MLC. There were a lot

894
00:45:40,453 --> 00:45:42,693
Speaker 3: of New Zealanders there and it seems to be something

895
00:45:42,693 --> 00:45:47,653
Speaker 3: that New Zealanders with the franchises being New Zealand locking

896
00:45:47,653 --> 00:45:51,813
Speaker 3: into them. What was your reaction to it, the pictures

897
00:45:51,893 --> 00:45:55,813
Speaker 3: and the crowds, the promotion and presentation of the game,

898
00:45:55,893 --> 00:45:57,893
Speaker 3: because you don't think of cricket and America.

899
00:45:58,893 --> 00:46:00,893
Speaker 2: No, I think that's the cool thing is for us

900
00:46:00,893 --> 00:46:04,333
Speaker 2: as as New Zealanders, but just cricketers in general, to

901
00:46:04,373 --> 00:46:07,093
Speaker 2: how to go to America and play in America with

902
00:46:07,253 --> 00:46:09,973
Speaker 2: it being in the three cities that so far of

903
00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:12,933
Speaker 2: San fran Dallas and Miami, to be able to experience

904
00:46:12,973 --> 00:46:16,533
Speaker 2: those cultures and there is a big I guess xpact

905
00:46:16,573 --> 00:46:20,493
Speaker 2: community of cricketers over there that support cricket. The gut

906
00:46:20,533 --> 00:46:23,573
Speaker 2: that I was only there last this year, but all

907
00:46:23,613 --> 00:46:26,893
Speaker 2: reports every year is getting better and better supported. So yeah,

908
00:46:26,893 --> 00:46:28,653
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a tournament that will keep growing over

909
00:46:28,693 --> 00:46:30,933
Speaker 2: the years and it's a big market in the world sport.

910
00:46:31,013 --> 00:46:31,373
Speaker 6: We know that.

911
00:46:31,373 --> 00:46:33,413
Speaker 2: You can see that with the NBA and like so

912
00:46:33,893 --> 00:46:36,333
Speaker 2: if cricket can can master that, then it puts the

913
00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:37,093
Speaker 2: game in good stead.

914
00:46:37,573 --> 00:46:37,773
Speaker 6: Yeah.

915
00:46:37,773 --> 00:46:39,653
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for much for your time. All the best

916
00:46:39,693 --> 00:46:42,493
Speaker 3: for the second Test match, and hope things go well

917
00:46:42,533 --> 00:46:45,493
Speaker 3: and you get the rest and family time that you're

918
00:46:45,533 --> 00:46:46,133
Speaker 3: looking forward to.

919
00:46:46,413 --> 00:46:47,293
Speaker 6: Yep, now, I'll be nice.

920
00:46:47,373 --> 00:46:49,533
Speaker 2: I always love playing Test cricket, so we hopefully get

921
00:46:49,573 --> 00:46:51,813
Speaker 2: another Test one and see whe we go.

922
00:46:52,093 --> 00:46:55,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, lovely to have there on Mitchel sharing a few

923
00:46:55,253 --> 00:46:59,093
Speaker 3: thoughts with us, and he's very he's very thoughtful about

924
00:46:59,133 --> 00:47:02,813
Speaker 3: his game quite clearly the change from T twenty to

925
00:47:03,533 --> 00:47:06,733
Speaker 3: Test match level. I like one thing he called the

926
00:47:06,773 --> 00:47:11,333
Speaker 3: slip cord and I presume that's the limousine. I don't

927
00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:13,413
Speaker 3: know whether they caught it the limo when you were

928
00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:15,933
Speaker 3: fielding in the slip cord and Jerry we.

929
00:47:15,773 --> 00:47:20,533
Speaker 5: Were down too close to the road, Brian, you know,

930
00:47:20,573 --> 00:47:23,013
Speaker 5: we were the actual tires, I think of the limo.

931
00:47:23,533 --> 00:47:26,413
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was interesting listening to him. I was

932
00:47:27,053 --> 00:47:30,373
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that he you know, he only had

933
00:47:30,373 --> 00:47:32,853
Speaker 5: one week in the entire year to put his ticket

934
00:47:32,893 --> 00:47:36,293
Speaker 5: that away. That was extraordinary when I when I heard that.

935
00:47:36,973 --> 00:47:40,453
Speaker 5: Obviously the picture was a bit different than anticipated and

936
00:47:40,533 --> 00:47:43,333
Speaker 5: they had to adjust and adapt. Obviously, beating them in

937
00:47:43,373 --> 00:47:46,213
Speaker 5: three days they were able to. I was interested o'rauke

938
00:47:46,293 --> 00:47:49,613
Speaker 5: didn't get a wicket in the first innings and I

939
00:47:49,653 --> 00:47:52,373
Speaker 5: didn't see it, and I'd like to know why that happened.

940
00:47:52,373 --> 00:47:55,933
Speaker 5: And I was also interested that Bracewell didn't pick up

941
00:47:55,933 --> 00:47:58,493
Speaker 5: a wicket in the second innings in bold fifteen overs.

942
00:47:58,853 --> 00:48:01,813
Speaker 5: So yeah, but it was but it was a comprehensive

943
00:48:01,853 --> 00:48:05,933
Speaker 5: win nine wickets and we look forward to the second one.

944
00:48:05,933 --> 00:48:10,573
Speaker 5: But New Zealand kind of fashed a pretty good record,

945
00:48:10,573 --> 00:48:15,773
Speaker 5: aren't they. For a smaller nation, we've got players like

946
00:48:16,613 --> 00:48:18,453
Speaker 5: in old like I mean, it was good to see

947
00:48:18,453 --> 00:48:21,013
Speaker 5: Conway get some runs in that Test match with an

948
00:48:21,013 --> 00:48:24,613
Speaker 5: eighty odd and we don't have to rely on you know,

949
00:48:24,933 --> 00:48:27,293
Speaker 5: Ravendra all the time to do most of the attacking

950
00:48:27,373 --> 00:48:30,213
Speaker 5: that Mitchell could do that as well. Young got a few.

951
00:48:31,413 --> 00:48:34,413
Speaker 5: We discussed last week Nichols being in the team, which

952
00:48:34,413 --> 00:48:37,013
Speaker 5: should should that have happened? That he got a thirty

953
00:48:37,053 --> 00:48:42,213
Speaker 5: odd So you know, and Henry of course stands out,

954
00:48:42,333 --> 00:48:46,533
Speaker 5: doesn't he. I mean as a bowler now, an opening bowler,

955
00:48:47,013 --> 00:48:49,013
Speaker 5: he is one of the world's best at the moment

956
00:48:49,613 --> 00:48:53,813
Speaker 5: for finding things out of a pitch, not only in

957
00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:57,333
Speaker 5: the test format, he does it. You know. He basically

958
00:48:57,493 --> 00:49:00,173
Speaker 5: held together the New Zealanders in that T twenty final

959
00:49:00,173 --> 00:49:03,453
Speaker 5: against South Africa. Didn't he to defend what was it

960
00:49:03,613 --> 00:49:08,573
Speaker 5: six or seven in the last over? So he has

961
00:49:08,613 --> 00:49:12,773
Speaker 5: been He started really slowly in his test career, sitting

962
00:49:12,813 --> 00:49:17,933
Speaker 5: on the pine, didn't he for test after test? And yeah,

963
00:49:18,413 --> 00:49:21,973
Speaker 5: and and and you could see why New Zealand had

964
00:49:22,053 --> 00:49:24,213
Speaker 5: some good seamers at the time, and that was the

965
00:49:24,693 --> 00:49:29,973
Speaker 5: Bolt Saudi and the Wagner and so on. So yeah,

966
00:49:30,053 --> 00:49:33,493
Speaker 5: he has really pulled his average back down. I don't

967
00:49:33,533 --> 00:49:35,133
Speaker 5: know what it is. It must be in the twenties now.

968
00:49:35,173 --> 00:49:39,613
Speaker 5: I would have thought it was very high. Yeah it was.

969
00:49:40,013 --> 00:49:42,133
Speaker 5: It was very high for a while. But he's pulled,

970
00:49:42,293 --> 00:49:45,093
Speaker 5: pulled and pulled it back and back and back. He

971
00:49:45,253 --> 00:49:47,493
Speaker 5: is a top bowler for New Zealand at the moment.

972
00:49:47,973 --> 00:49:52,413
Speaker 3: Well, those stats that I had before just tell the story.

973
00:49:52,413 --> 00:49:55,973
Speaker 3: In seven Test matches since that series against Australia, he's

974
00:49:56,013 --> 00:50:00,293
Speaker 3: taken fifty one Test wickets. That's seven a Test and

975
00:50:00,333 --> 00:50:02,973
Speaker 3: there's not many bowlers do that. I mean Richard Hadley

976
00:50:02,973 --> 00:50:05,813
Speaker 3: finished his career at bang.

977
00:50:05,613 --> 00:50:07,973
Speaker 5: On five match.

978
00:50:08,413 --> 00:50:12,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, so in the last seven Tests at an average

979
00:50:12,173 --> 00:50:16,533
Speaker 3: of sixteen point eighty four, that's quite remarkable. Bearing in mind,

980
00:50:17,293 --> 00:50:22,893
Speaker 3: I don't know, a picture's still better friendly, would you imagine.

981
00:50:22,933 --> 00:50:27,413
Speaker 3: I mean, he's as Mitchell said, he can see the

982
00:50:27,493 --> 00:50:31,213
Speaker 3: ball on glass and you sort of think that to

983
00:50:31,253 --> 00:50:34,693
Speaker 3: a certain extent. He's such a complete opening bowler now

984
00:50:34,733 --> 00:50:37,893
Speaker 3: at the moment, and hence the New Zealand attack with

985
00:50:38,253 --> 00:50:39,493
Speaker 3: real class.

986
00:50:39,933 --> 00:50:44,493
Speaker 5: Oh, very consistent, finds a length on any surface that

987
00:50:44,773 --> 00:50:48,013
Speaker 5: is the most difficult and then just works the batsman

988
00:50:48,093 --> 00:50:53,693
Speaker 5: over seem not so much a swing bowler as he

989
00:50:53,733 --> 00:50:57,493
Speaker 5: but he uses the crease so he gets different angles

990
00:50:58,493 --> 00:51:01,813
Speaker 5: and you know, he creates opportunities for his team and

991
00:51:01,853 --> 00:51:04,293
Speaker 5: you can't ask more of a bowler to do that.

992
00:51:04,493 --> 00:51:08,773
Speaker 5: And we both seen him grow tremendously in terms of confidence.

993
00:51:09,613 --> 00:51:13,413
Speaker 5: He's quite good in the park. And I mean that

994
00:51:13,493 --> 00:51:16,453
Speaker 5: catch he took on that first innings I think against India,

995
00:51:16,573 --> 00:51:18,453
Speaker 5: wasn't it in that match when it was green that

996
00:51:18,493 --> 00:51:21,933
Speaker 5: first day and it was cloudy insign a fine leg, running,

997
00:51:22,013 --> 00:51:28,133
Speaker 5: running and then diving to take the catch first jail correct, correct.

998
00:51:29,013 --> 00:51:31,293
Speaker 5: So I mean he's a he's a complete player, and

999
00:51:31,333 --> 00:51:36,293
Speaker 5: he can he's also quite handy with the batwads. You

1000
00:51:36,333 --> 00:51:39,493
Speaker 5: know he can score to strike twenty five or thirty.

1001
00:51:40,493 --> 00:51:42,773
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, Well we'll be interesting to see what they're

1002
00:51:42,773 --> 00:51:44,253
Speaker 3: able to do with a take a fifth mention.

1003
00:51:44,853 --> 00:51:48,613
Speaker 5: All they got to tell dad to quick nuss.

1004
00:51:48,773 --> 00:51:49,773
Speaker 6: Yet they care.

1005
00:52:01,093 --> 00:52:03,733
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