1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Time for a supercar catch up with one of the greats. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Marke Winterbottom retired from full time driving at the end 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: of last year after twenty one year's career included a 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: championship in twenty fifteen Bathurst, when of course thirty nine 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: wins and race victories over the years. These days he's 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: a mentor and co driver with Tickford Racing. He's got 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: his book out, Frosty, The Incredible True Story of the 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Boy from doone Side who became a Bathurst King, and 9 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Mark Winterbottom is with us. Good morning, good morning. 10 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: How are you listen? 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Nun very well? Indeed, I suppose when you do a 12 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: book you're always sort of full of reflection. And what 13 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: I want to know is how different I mean, given 14 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: your time in the twenty one years, how different is 15 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: supercars from the very first car you drove to the 16 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: very last car you left. 17 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 3: It changed a lot. But I've been in for twenty 18 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 3: one years. I was in the sport for twenty one years. 19 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: So I saw a lot. 20 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: You know, car models and manufacturers and all that sort 21 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: of side changed a lot over the years. But even 22 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: the sport, I think, you know, social media wasn't around 23 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: it too thousand and three when I started, so everyone 24 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: was polite because a lot of the stuff that happens 25 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: on social media it wouldn't happen in real life, so 26 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: not as many critics in the early days, and then 27 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: a lot of critics in the back end of it. 28 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 3: But no, it's great. The sport's in a really good place, 29 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: and I still love being around it, you know, even 30 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: though I'm not racing. It's an incredible sport and changing 31 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 3: for the better. 32 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of good things to come. 33 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: So I love to talk about and that now the 34 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: people in your sort of position, you don't scape and lack, 35 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: and no one ever seems to leave the sport. It's good. 36 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: It must be addictive, very addictive once you get fuel 37 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: in the veins. 38 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: It's a very addictive. 39 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: Little thing that you inherit. 40 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: But you know, for me, I started very young, you know, 41 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: I sort of started motors spoort at eight years old. 42 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: That was my first taste of it. 43 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: And at forty four now I love it more than 44 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: I ever have, you know, And I think when you 45 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: race it, it's a privilege. Like I've always thought of 46 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: it as a privilege to race cars. But when you 47 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: have that taken away from you or your time stops. 48 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: I think you appreciate it even more because you know, 49 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: it's pretty cool to RaSE a car and drive at 50 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: three hundred klometers an hour, have someone else pay those 51 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: bills for you and let you drive their piece of machinery. 52 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: It's pretty cool. But even now I love watching it. 53 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: I'm helping four young guys in the Super two program 54 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: and they're at the age that I was when I 55 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: first started. 56 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: So I'm at the back end. 57 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: They're at the start, and it's reinvigorated the passion for 58 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: the sport because they'll do anything to succeed. 59 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: And I remember being that kid. You know, you never leave. 60 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: It's a very good sport and very addictive. 61 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: So your story of people don't know it's a wonderful story. 62 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: The lottery you win, the you've got the golden ticket 63 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: that allows you to get into the sport in the 64 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: first place. How many kids back then do you reckon 65 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: because of lack of money couldn't get behind a wheel, 66 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: versus saying maybe today that if you're good, you will 67 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: some how find your way to the start line. 68 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's for me. 69 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: It was literally that ticket was the platform to perform 70 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: really without that, I was not a chance, I don't 71 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: think so. 72 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like Willy Wonka with the Golden ticket. 73 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 3: You know, it was winning a p week fifty was 74 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: life changing because it gives you that tool to show 75 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: if you've got talent or not. 76 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: Because motorsports not for everyone. 77 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: But when you do love it and when you get 78 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: into it and you're good at it, every next step 79 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: you're trying to make doors closed a lot unless you've 80 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: got a big check book, so you know, it's very tough. 81 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: But for me, I just got the lucky ticket. Then 82 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: I took a loan out at the bank, and then 83 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 3: I just kind of kept I was either going to 84 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: be in debt or have a career, so I just 85 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: never I never look at hindsight, which is probably it 86 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: served me well, but it's probably quite naive. 87 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: With my kids, I'd be telling them not to go 88 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: to the bank and do the stuff that I did. 89 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: So but it's tough. 90 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: You know, if there's two people going for a drive 91 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: and this is Formula one speedway, go karts, whatever it is, 92 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: one dad has a lot of money, one dad has 93 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: zero dollars. The one with money is going to win 94 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: and that's the hard thing about this sport. But then 95 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: you need to find a way, and there's always a 96 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 3: way just to get in that door, you know. 97 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: You just got to. 98 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: For me, doors kept closing, and then I'm like, nah, 99 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: I don't like those doors. I go over here and try 100 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: and find a path, because you'll get told no. 101 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: Without money, you get told a lot. So it is 102 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: a tough career path. 103 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: But talent and kind of resilience and determination will get 104 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: you in. 105 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: Just can take longer. It's a longer process. 106 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: So you get your tickets and when how much of 107 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: that success do you reckon? Was just about sheer determination 108 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: you will not fail versus you've actually got some skill 109 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: and that's the luck side of it. 110 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think that's a follow on from what 111 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: I just said. 112 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: You know, when you have two people, one with money, 113 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: one without everything, to me was my pride and joy. 114 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: It was my last opportunity. 115 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: So that pee wee fifty to me was like the 116 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: holy grail. 117 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: It was. It was the thing. 118 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: And then I went on the trading post and took 119 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: that pee wee fifty and traded it for a go kart, 120 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: and that go kart lived in my sister's bedroom to 121 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 3: her discuss for three months because the garage wasn't big enough. 122 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: But didn't help her dating game, that's for sure, having 123 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: a go kart in the room. But that was my 124 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 3: pride and joy and it was like to me, that 125 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: was my ferrari. 126 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: I looked after that thing like it was my pride 127 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: and joy. 128 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 3: But if you have someone that just you get given 129 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: all the time, you don't appreciate things. So I think, 130 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: you know, having that way of lucking in and not 131 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: being able to afford things, and you treat things differently, 132 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: And I think that set me up for my career 133 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 3: because I don't know when you learn to deal with 134 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: inferior equipment a lot of the time and just but 135 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: to you it was special and you don't complain, You 136 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 3: just get on with it. And those early days taught 137 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: me a lot I think about my career. You know, 138 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: like you on tough days, you still found a way 139 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: to appreciate the machine when it wasn't behaving the way 140 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 3: you kind of wanted it to do. 141 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: Exactly a couple of names you'll know, obviously, Ryan would 142 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: Matt Pain. So compare our young people with the Australian 143 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: young people people like Will Brown brock Feeni. So what 144 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: I want to know is Will and Brock lead, is 145 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: that because they got better cows, the better drivers. 146 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: You guys are so lucky over there. 147 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 3: You just breed exceptional drivers and it frustrates the hell 148 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: out of us over here. But you know, Matt Pain's 149 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: someone that I have a lot of I a fair bit. 150 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 2: To do with. 151 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: We go up the river and spend a bit of 152 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: time fishing together and have some downtime. 153 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: He's an incredible talent. 154 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: And what sets those young guys apart now to back 155 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: in the day is that when they're eighteen or nineteen, 156 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: they're ready because they've raised all around the world there, 157 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 3: they've what they've experienced. They come in and they're not raw. 158 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: We're back in our era they were raw. But put 159 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: Matt Pain in the best car and the day he'll win, 160 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: no doubt about it. 161 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: He's an incredible talent. 162 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: And Roan would starting to show his true form as well, 163 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: and he's in that raw stage of his career, but 164 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: he's fast and doing some incredible things. 165 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: So par is important. 166 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: But at the same time, you need a good driver, because, 167 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: like I said, good drivers a track personnel. They attract 168 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: sponsorship and you grow together. But you know, Matt Pain's 169 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 3: someone I regard very very highly and one of, if 170 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: not the best driver in the category at the moment. 171 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: What about it the other end age ways you go, 172 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: say Will Davidson, maybe David Reynolds and you up until 173 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: last year. Of course, I mean, do you lose something 174 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: simply with age. 175 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: What's hard is the path that you go on. So 176 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: when you're young, teams will take a bit of a 177 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: risk on you and put you on a long contracts 178 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: older you get, the contracts get shorter, so and often 179 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: that means you swap teams and you go down the 180 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: chain a bit. So put a probably in the same comment, 181 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: Matt Pain in a teammate in car in Dave Reynolds car. 182 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: He's not going to win, but he earns his spot 183 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: because he's young. Teams want him because he's got a future. 184 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: You know, if you're forty years old, they've only got 185 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: a couple of years with you when you're out. 186 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: So they like these young guys. They get them, they 187 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: develop them, they try and build the team around them, 188 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: and they groom them forward. So that's where it gets tough. 189 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 3: But you know, it's funny when you go in in 190 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: duro drive and you're hopping a really good car against 191 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: one of the guns in the category. 192 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: You're within half a tenth. It's ridiculously close. 193 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: And in a few weeks time you're back at Bathurst again. 194 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: You're one of the rare people who's actually won Beathurst. 195 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Is is it? Everything they say and more, it's well. 196 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: It's the reason I raced. Like I used to watch 197 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: that race as a four year old. 198 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: You know, we turn it on. 199 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: Sounds really bog aussy thing, but you turn it on 200 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 3: and seven am in the morning they'd be doing warm 201 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: up and you literally had an indent and the couch. 202 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: The only time you got up was if you were 203 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: busting to go to the toilet. You had to go 204 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: and run back. So you know, that's what made me 205 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: love the sport was Bathurst, watching brock and Johnson and 206 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: Moffett and all those guys. So when you do get 207 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: a just to drive that track is an incredible feeling, 208 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: like it's it scares the absolute hellity at Sometimes it's 209 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 3: a track that grabs your attention, but when you win it, 210 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: it really hits time. How special it is because you 211 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: know when you win races always special in this sport. 212 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: But when you drive into pitt Lane and you've got 213 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: grown men just crying, some of the toughest blokes that 214 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: you can imagine crying and whimpering and cuddling you, and 215 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: then teammates and family and crowd running in and you know, 216 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: media going wild. It hits time, how special and how 217 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: many people are watching that race. It's an incredible moment, 218 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: but it's too quick and you want to win it again. 219 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 3: It sounds obvious, but you want to win it again 220 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: and just say, hey, just leave me alone for a minute, let. 221 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: Me soak this in because. 222 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: Before I knew it, when we won it in twenty thirteen, 223 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: it was like Thursday or Friday, and I was like, 224 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: where's the week gone? 225 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: Like? 226 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: It just it went like a blur and it's and 227 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: then you go and race in Queensland two weeks later 228 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 3: and have a good result or a bad result, and 229 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: then you're either grumpy or happy again. You know, it's 230 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: a race that you don't get to celebrate until you 231 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: probably retire and really look back and go far. That 232 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: was cool and I'm kind of at that point. But 233 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: now I'm going back there to try and win it again. 234 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 3: It's it's an incredible race. 235 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: And does that keep you satisfied? I mean, are you 236 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: in a good place of life, You're doing some training, 237 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: You're in duro racing. I mean, this is this all 238 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: cream on the cake. 239 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: I'm really happy. 240 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 3: It's funny like people retire and they get depressed, and 241 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 3: I'm like, I was worried about that, you know, because 242 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: I thought one my wife would divorce me because I'm 243 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: going to annoy it too much because I'm too competitive. 244 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: It was hard to switch off. But I've actually really 245 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: enjoyed it because I get to spend more time with 246 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: my kids. 247 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: I've got a lot going on outside of racing that 248 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: is really exciting, you know. 249 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, I get to spend more time with my kids. 250 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 3: We have that development program with the super two drivers 251 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 3: for Tickford. They're such incredible young humans that I really 252 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: enjoy spending my time with them, and I'm getting my 253 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: racing fixed out of seeing their excitement and results, which 254 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: is really cool. A bit of commentary, and then we've 255 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: actually opened up two bakeries in Victoria with a baker 256 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: So my life's busier than ever. But now I get 257 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: to go on race. I haven't missed it. And then 258 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: I drove the car at the test day the other 259 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 3: day and I was like, get nick can Like I 260 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 3: want this car now it's mine for a little bit. 261 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: So yeah, So there's a lot going on, but really 262 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: happy with where I'm at in life and probably become 263 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: a better person because when you race, you see the 264 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: head in everyone because you're trying to compete and beat them. 265 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 3: And now I'm actually like, they're actually good people. A 266 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: lot of these people I used to villainize. 267 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: In my head, you know. So now I'm really happy 268 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: in having a good time, which is good. 269 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: Well, that's good to hear. Good luck at Bathhurst, good 270 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: luck with the book, good luck with the bakery. Of course, 271 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: terrific to talk to you. 272 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: Thank you mate, thanks for chatting Mark Winterbottom. 273 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: For more from the mi Casking Breakfast, listen live to 274 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: news Talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 275 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.