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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: Jack tame on, Heather Dup to c Allen Drive with

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Speaker 2: One New Zealand let's get connected. News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, New Zealand. Welcome to News Talk's ed B

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Speaker 3: Jack tame in for Heather. We're going to take you

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Speaker 3: to the Middle East, get the very latest on the

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Speaker 3: ever growing tensions between Israel and various other regional players.

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Speaker 3: Iran striking Israel overnight, Israel promising to retaliate. Where to

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Speaker 3: as end. We will take you there as well as that,

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Speaker 3: we'll look some of the highlights, if we can call

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Speaker 3: them that, from the vice presidential debates. They've just wrapped

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Speaker 3: things up. Tim Walls and JD vance Are. I thought

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Speaker 3: it was really interesting and very civil, an incredible contrast

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Speaker 3: compared to the presidential debate. I will tell you who

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Speaker 3: my winner is very shortly right now. It's eight minutes

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Speaker 2: Team and that was swift.

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Speaker 3: That was really swift. A poor tour and it was

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Speaker 3: a really poor tour of Sri Lanka. And the bell

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Speaker 3: has told for Tim Soudy, Wham Bam Shabam before the

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Speaker 3: home summer is even underway, the black Caps have a

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Speaker 3: new Test captain. Personally, I think it's the right call.

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Speaker 3: I do not not because I don't think that Tim

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Speaker 3: Soudi is an incredible player, and not because I don't

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Speaker 3: think he has an incredible legacy, Not because I don't

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Speaker 3: am not convinced on his current form he can continue

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Speaker 3: to justify his place in the team. And look, the

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Speaker 3: man is a bonafide Black Cap legend, right. But it's simple.

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Speaker 3: Sports teams are meritocracies, pure meritocracies, maybe our purest meritocracies

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Speaker 3: with money and status on the line. It is fundamental

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Speaker 3: that everyone in a modern professional sport team can justify

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Speaker 3: their own place and select without the need for special treatment.

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Speaker 3: And I get it. You know, cricket is more complicated

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Speaker 3: in that in so much as the strategic thinking that

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Speaker 3: the game. You've got your field placements, bowling changes, declarations,

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Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. But that still makes up

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Speaker 3: part of the meritocratic equation. Were Tim Soudy's captaincy decisions

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Speaker 3: so good that they more than made up for his

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Speaker 3: average bowling form. Probably not. And I've got to say,

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Speaker 3: and look, maybe I'm speaking too soon here. This is

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Speaker 3: whole thing with real professionalism and grace. I've always tried

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Speaker 3: to put the team first throughout my career, he said.

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Speaker 3: I believe this decision is the best for the team.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, Tim, I agree. Team nine past four

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Speaker 3: ninety two. Ninety two is the text number if you're

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Speaker 3: going to send us message. Don't forget the standard ten

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Speaker 3: the email address. After five will take it to former

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Speaker 3: Black Caps coach Mike Hessen will do the old did

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Speaker 3: he jump or was he pushed? Question? But yeah, from

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Speaker 3: what we've seen so far, it seems to have been

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Speaker 3: swift and smooth. Health New Zealand is urging the government

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Speaker 3: to consider allowing private companies to build and even potentially

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Speaker 3: more than a dozen other large projects classified as having

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Speaker 3: Former Health en Z chair Rob Campbell is with us

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Speaker 3: this afternoon Kyoda, Rob.

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Speaker 4: Cura Jack, what do you think.

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Speaker 5: About SAVY or the hospital both?

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Speaker 3: He never show up having an opinion. Let's start with

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Speaker 4: Good on you, They said, Look, I think this is

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Speaker 4: being raised now. Frankly, it's a bit of a diversion.

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Speaker 4: It is an issue. The health officials have been working

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Speaker 4: ways around privatization of health facilities and health practices for

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Speaker 4: work has been done on this. It's previously been held

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Speaker 4: and there's a lot of that going on. There was

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So my take with PPPs, and correct me if

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Speaker 3: But what are the things that we would need to

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Speaker 4: That's exactly the question we should be asking. And the

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Speaker 4: real danger here is and the reason that things like

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Speaker 4: been lost in the New Zealand health system in recent years. Now,

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Speaker 4: that's pretty but it's a fact they're not there, and

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Speaker 4: you can't solve those way if you like contracting it

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Speaker 4: our or trying to build a PPP. If you don't

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Speaker 4: you almost certainly don't have the skills to prepare a

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Speaker 4: In fact, I think it's reckless to be talking about

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the government's position with regards

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Speaker 4: Hospital, Look d Needen Hospital frankly has been a mess

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Speaker 4: How stupid is that. So you've had these roundabouts going on,

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Speaker 4: I think the construction part of it is not the

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Speaker 3: Right, So does that mean that Dunedin should have its

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Speaker 4: Well as originally planned is really the open question because

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Speaker 4: there's been so many plans that have changed over time.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, this is not my decision or anyone

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Speaker 4: now the health sector's decision. Governments have committed to building

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Speaker 3: Finally, then Rob south right call for the stand down.

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Speaker 4: If he stood down, I don't know isis think he

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate your time, Rob, That is the former tier

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Speaker 3: of Tifata water Health. Indeed, Rob Campbell right now at

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Speaker 3: H see Wall the Grave is on Sports Talk this

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Speaker 3: evening and he's with me. Now, do you agree with me?

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Speaker 6: Dars?

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Speaker 3: It was the right call to take out.

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Speaker 7: There, guys, And we've got former tests been a former

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Speaker 8: I think that's.

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Speaker 9: We're all on the green surround this. That is the

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Speaker 3: So I'm delighted. Yeah, no, I'm pleased that. I mean,

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Speaker 7: All about team, all about team, and that's been the

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Speaker 8: So that is difficult.

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Speaker 7: But he sat back and gone, I'm not bowling as

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Speaker 7: juggle both of these demands after two years. I want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to do this.

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Speaker 9: And so he did it, and I think we all

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Speaker 3: Very good. Thank you, Darcy Wadergo will be with us

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Speaker 3: He'd be thank you for your text as well. Jack,

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Speaker 3: is what Jack. Saudi was once good, but no mass

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Speaker 3: No, it's all right, it's just it's nice to reminisces

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Speaker 3: So the vice presidential debate has just wrapped in the US.

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Speaker 3: Just like the presidential debate between Carmala Horris and Donald Trump,

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Speaker 13: For years in this country, Democrats protest to the results

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Speaker 12: Governor, January sixth was not Facebook adds, and I think

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump can into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was the exchange over of January sixth.

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Speaker 3: We'll play some more of the debate before five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Not quite as many memorable moments as the presidential debate,

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Speaker 1: Jactam cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's

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Speaker 3: A you are with jacktame on NEWSBORGK. The'd be in

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Speaker 3: for Heather this week. Interesting situation in Wellington at the

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: And to the Middle East, where the escalations continue. Iran

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Speaker 15: Truly, Iran made a major mistake this evening, and it

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Speaker 3: White House officials have also come into.

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Speaker 16: The United States military coordinated closely with the Israeli defense

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Speaker 3: To the Vice presidential debate, where the Middle East conflict

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Speaker 12: Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle. He

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Speaker 2: Steady leadership like you witnessed today.

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Speaker 12: We need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing.

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Speaker 13: I think it's important because Margaret, the rules were that

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Speaker 2: Thank you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 15: Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because.

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Speaker 3: Champagne Television. Finally, a painting found by a junk dealer

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Speaker 3: Knewies correspondent Dan Mitchison is with us Nack Yo to Dan, Hey, Jack,

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Speaker 3: you've been you've been watching the vice presidential debate. So

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Speaker 17: I think this debate was more enjoyable and more civil.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's funny, isn't It's kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people have questioned Donald Trump's choice

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Speaker 18: six weeks, they have really struggled off the momentum, off

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Speaker 18: the back of that Republican convention.

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Speaker 3: So this is something on that front, you know, I think.

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Speaker 17: So, I think it's something that's gonna, you know, certainly

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Speaker 17: make the news cycle tomorrow. But you're right, I don't

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Speaker 17: think there's been a lot, especially since Harris jumped into

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Speaker 17: the race. And I think Donald Trump just seems very,

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Speaker 17: very tired. He just doesn't have that spark. He just

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Speaker 17: doesn't have that energy or that you know that well,

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Speaker 17: you know, to quote Rocky three that I had the Tiger.

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Speaker 17: I guess that he had the first time around, or

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Speaker 17: even before when he was going up against Biden.

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Speaker 3: Now talk to us about the US involvement in the

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Speaker 3: Middle East conflict. We too from here.

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Speaker 17: Well, I mean that's a good question. I mean President

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Speaker 17: Biden is again, you know, reaffirming his support as he

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Speaker 17: has for Israel, and he said that he was fully

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Speaker 17: fully fully I think he used three or four fullies

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Speaker 17: supportive in remarks that he made earlier today. And he's

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Speaker 17: been at the White House in the situation room. He's

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Speaker 17: watching what's going on with Iran, and I think he

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Speaker 17: said that this is sort of an active discussion in

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Speaker 17: what's going to happen moving forward. I mean, Republicans like

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Speaker 17: Mitch McConnell have said, you know that Iran should face

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Speaker 17: severe consequences, and I don't know, Jack, this is I mean,

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Speaker 17: this is something that a lot of people thought that

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Speaker 17: might happen sooner rather than later going into the election.

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Speaker 17: Right now, I think this could be sort of Biden's boy.

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Speaker 17: I think this could be a big burden on his

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Speaker 17: administration right now, and I think Kamala Harris is going

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Speaker 17: to probably keep it a very close eye on what

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Speaker 17: mister Biden does too.

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Speaker 3: It's just not obvious to see how it's going to

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Speaker 3: be de escalated, right because you have, first of all,

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Speaker 3: the Israelis striking parts of southern Lebanon, striking parts of

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Speaker 3: their route. You have some limited troops, but troops down

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Speaker 3: the lace on the ground in Lebanon. You have Iran responding.

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Speaker 3: You then have Israel promising to respond to Iran. And

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Speaker 3: if Israel responds to Iran, it's hard to see how

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Speaker 3: Iran is in then going to respond to Israel and

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Speaker 3: how do we get out of this. No One seemed

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Speaker 3: to be pretty full on an obvious solution. To actually

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Speaker 3: breaking the cycle.

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Speaker 17: I think you'd kind of just sum that up in

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Speaker 17: fifteen seconds better than I could to tell you the truth.

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Speaker 17: And quite honestly, I think there are a lot of

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Speaker 17: people over here, and this sounds very cold to say,

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Speaker 17: probably aren't paying the kind of attention that they should

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Speaker 17: to what is going on over there, just because of

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Speaker 17: everything that's going on here at the moment, and with

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Speaker 17: the election, you know, a month and a half away

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Speaker 17: right now, I think this is just sort of background

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Speaker 17: noise right now, and obviously, as you know, it shouldn't

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Speaker 17: be background noise. It should be in the forefront of

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Speaker 17: the news cycle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, thank you so much. Dan, always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: US correspondent Dan Mitchinson with us this evening. We'll pay

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Speaker 3: you a few more little bits and pieces from that debate.

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Speaker 3: So you know how Dan was talking about that moment

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Speaker 3: when Tim Woltz was talking about January sixth, they were

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Speaker 3: talking about the state of democracy in New Zealand. He

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Speaker 3: put an important question directly to jd Vance And this

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Speaker 3: is how jd Vance responded.

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Speaker 12: Well in a way that we had not seen, and

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Speaker 12: it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say

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Speaker 12: he is still saying he didn't lose the election. I

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Speaker 12: would just ask you that did he lose the twenty

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Speaker 12: twenty election.

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Speaker 2: Tim, I'm focused on the future.

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Speaker 19: No.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, After five o'clock, we're going to catch up with

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Speaker 3: former US Ambassador to New Zealand Mark Gilbert. He's a

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Speaker 3: long time Democrat, but we will get his take what

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Speaker 3: we'll encourage him to try and remove all bias from

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Speaker 3: his judgment as he gives us his assessment. How you

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Speaker 3: know that Picasso painting? I mean, it is pretty amazing

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Speaker 3: that a Picasso painting, a portrait found in the in

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Speaker 3: the salar might be worth ten million dollars. How many

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Speaker 3: paintings do you think Pablo Picasso produced in his time?

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Speaker 3: Because I tell you what, that man was nothing if

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Speaker 3: not prolific. Here you go, thirteen and a half thousand.

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Speaker 3: Picasso produced thirteen and a half thousand paintings one hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand prints. So in a way, it's kind of remarkable

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Speaker 3: that it's actually worth that much money. Quarter to five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments

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Speaker 1: certainty and.

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Speaker 3: Senior political correspondent for Newstalks, he'd be mister Barry sober

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Speaker 3: is in the house. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Jack. You've

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Speaker 3: been watching the VEEP debate.

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Speaker 20: Well, probably not as much as you have, Jack, You've

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Speaker 20: got more time on your hands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I sort of watched it on and off.

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Speaker 20: I've got to say all afternoon, probably in fairness that

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Speaker 20: you did as well. But there were a couple of

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Speaker 20: points that I really found quite interesting. One was the

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Speaker 20: argument over natural gas and how they have to produce

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Speaker 20: more petty. That messag doesn't get through to a few

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Speaker 20: of our politicians in this country. And Walsh claimed that

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Speaker 20: Trump asked oil company executives to Marrow Lago to ask

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Speaker 20: them for campaign money. I don't know whether there's a

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Speaker 20: lot of truth in that, but nevertheless, much was made

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Speaker 20: of Vance's opposition to Trump's presidency, and that is a

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Speaker 20: great debating point because certainly, Vance, before he became the

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Speaker 20: running mate of Donald Trump, was very critical of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 20: It's amazing how things can change. But I've got to

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Speaker 20: say the Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz seems to have a

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Speaker 20: constant frown, which makes him appear something of an angry man.

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Speaker 20: In the book, the Ohio Senator JD. Bhans says it's

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Speaker 20: like Donald Trump. He says like Donald Trump should say

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Speaker 20: it without the verbal diarrhea, and they both are Here's

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Speaker 20: Wolf's first, followed by Vons.

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Speaker 12: It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand

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Speaker 12: how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous.

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Speaker 12: His chief of staff John Kelly said that he was

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Speaker 12: the most flawed human being he'd ever met, and both

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Speaker 12: of his secretaries of Defense and his national security advisors

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Speaker 12: said he should be nowhere near the White House now.

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Speaker 12: The person closest to them to the Donald Trump said

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Speaker 12: he's unfit for the highest office.

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Speaker 2: That was Senator of Vance.

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States,

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Speaker 13: you needed peace through strength.

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Speaker 2: They needed to.

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Speaker 13: Recognize that if they got out of line, the United

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Speaker 13: States global leadership would put stability and peace back in

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Speaker 13: the world.

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Speaker 3: It is up to Israel what.

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Speaker 13: They think they need to do to keep their country safe,

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Speaker 13: and we should support our allies wherever they are when

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Speaker 13: they're fighting the bad guys. I think that's the right

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Speaker 13: approach to take with his real question.

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Speaker 20: And it's very hard to pick a winner out of

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Speaker 20: these sorts of debates because they're all over the place

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Speaker 20: in a way they're all, well, these two were very articulate.

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Speaker 20: And you know, I'd prefer the Trump Harris debate because

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Speaker 20: Trump is so unpredictable.

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Speaker 8: Anything that comes out of his mouth you left gaping.

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Speaker 3: As a spectacle. It's certainly a little more much. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: a more memorable experience. I have picked the winner, so

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Speaker 3: I'm going to year that after that. So Casey Costello

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Speaker 3: has answered questions about her link to the tobacco industry.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, well alleged links.

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Speaker 20: And this is I've got to say. Our opponents at

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Speaker 20: radio in New Zealand, I've made much of Casey Costello

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Speaker 20: and papers that she's said to have had, and she

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Speaker 20: did have those papers.

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Speaker 8: She had advisory papers, but that she.

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Speaker 3: Said didn't exist, and then she said she didn't know

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Speaker 3: where they were from, and then she sent them off

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Speaker 3: to advise health of how to make policies. Then she

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Speaker 3: wouldn't release them. There she was less were doing well.

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Speaker 20: Hang on, what they were doing was feeding the opposition,

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Speaker 20: probably coming from the Labor opposition, who basically said that

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Speaker 20: the whole issue stinked like corruption.

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Speaker 8: And it's a pretty.

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Speaker 20: Serious claim and it was run on air and Labor's

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Speaker 20: Asha Viril, who of course was a former health minister.

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Speaker 20: She said the advice from Treasury confirmed that a tax

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Speaker 20: cut was a highly unusual decision. That a tax cut

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Speaker 20: was said to be was claimed to be two hundred

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Speaker 20: and sixteen million dollars. Well, as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 20: it was well under six million dollars. That was a

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Speaker 20: budgetary amount set aside just in case. Philip Morris would

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Speaker 20: have been the only the only recipient of that. But

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Speaker 20: for Viral's information, Philip Morris has actually stopped making the

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Speaker 20: heated tobacco product that they're hoping to bring on to

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Speaker 20: stop smoking, and that's left Costello ironically hoping the product

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Speaker 20: will remain on the market through other outlets to assist

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Speaker 20: in the fight against smoking.

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Speaker 21: Yes, she is.

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Speaker 19: This is what I'm hoping is that we do get

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Speaker 19: alternate products. This is what I want to achieve. There's

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Speaker 19: alternate products to get people to stop smoking, and if

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Speaker 19: the market is available, that there is a demand, which

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Speaker 19: I think there is, because there are people who want

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Speaker 19: to quit smoking and vaping hasn't worked, and the other

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Speaker 19: tobacco mixtin replacement treatments haven't worked. The Health Coalition they

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Speaker 19: became fixated on the tobacco industry, not upon what we

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Speaker 19: were trying to do.

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Speaker 20: So that's where it was being driven from. To me

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Speaker 20: was the Health Coalition as opposed to any evidential stuff.

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Speaker 20: And when you look at Japan, which is what Costello

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Speaker 20: points to the heated tobacco product. Don't ask me what

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Speaker 20: it is because I wouldn't have a clue, but apparently

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Speaker 20: it must be much stronger than vape and for cigarette

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Speaker 20: smokers it must make it easier to get off them.

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Speaker 8: And let's hope it does.

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Speaker 20: They've got to get eighty thousand off to reach their

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Speaker 20: target by next year, and that's zero smoking, which is

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Speaker 20: effectively five percent.

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Speaker 3: I'm running out of time, but very quickly we'll give

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Speaker 3: us Haystings counselors have turned up to a bouncy castle

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Speaker 3: on their front door thanks to the Taxpas Union.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think it was great, and of course it was

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Speaker 8: the mayor.

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Speaker 20: Nineteen percent rate is the height there this year they're

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Speaker 20: paying youth counselors to come in and give them a

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Speaker 20: bit of advice on how to run the council. Honestly,

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Speaker 20: the bouncy castle I thought was totally appropriate.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, very appreciate. Your time. There is

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Speaker 3: mister Barry Soper. It is seven to five on Newstalk SEDB.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. Some Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 22: The government is giving one heated tobacco product tax cuts

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Speaker 22: to the tune of two hundred and sixteen million dollars.

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Speaker 22: Associate Health Minister Casey Costello is with us. Okay, So

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Speaker 22: this feels like a complete non story to me because

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Speaker 22: I'm reading that Philip Morris has actually just pulled this

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Speaker 22: product off the shelves.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, and this is the unfortunate thing.

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Speaker 10: The noise around the.

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Speaker 4: Two testing million was a contingent some.

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Speaker 23: Our total exercise collectors for related tobacco products not smoking

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Speaker 23: was about six million, and he's tobacco was a portion

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Speaker 23: of that six million. So this two hundred and sixteen

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Speaker 23: was a contingency some to capture in case there was

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Speaker 23: a semesters tune around, but there won't be either.

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Speaker 2: Duplessy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 1: It's back tomorrow at six am with the Jaguar f

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Speaker 1: pace on News Talks.

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Speaker 3: dB, not too far off five o'clock on News Stalks.

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Speaker 3: He be thank you very much for your text Jack,

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Speaker 3: come on, for goodness sake, go back over the last

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Speaker 3: twenty minutes of that Veat debate this afternoon and review.

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Speaker 3: Your comments have been anything but impartial. Your bias is

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Speaker 3: loud and clears, as STU Still, I haven't even told

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Speaker 3: you who I thought one yet come the farm I

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Speaker 3: will after five. As well as that, we're going to

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Speaker 3: catch up with the former US Ambassador to New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: Mark Gilbert. He's a big time supporter of the Democrats,

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Speaker 3: so certainly comes into it backing a team. But how

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Speaker 3: does he think that Jade Vance and Tim Waltz went

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Speaker 3: in their debate this evening. As well as that, will

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Speaker 3: catch up with a former Black Caps coach, Mike Hesson

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Speaker 3: get his thoughts on the Tim Saudi situation. News is next,

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Speaker 3: though it's almost five, you're with Jack tame on newstorg ZB.

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Speaker 2: Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Jack tame On, hither due to see allan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected news tog sedb.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 3: The situation in the Middle East is escalating quickly. Just

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Speaker 3: a day after Israel's ground offensive in Lebanon, Iran has

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Speaker 3: launched nearly two hundred missiles at Israel, most of which

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Speaker 3: were intercepted Israeli Prime Minister ben Yamnette Yah, who says

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Speaker 3: Iran has quote made a big mistake and will pay

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Speaker 3: for it. Brenkardil is a policy analyst at the Australia

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Speaker 3: Israel and Jewish Affairs Council and is with us this evening.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Yeah, very well, thank you.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 3: Israel says a zion dome system has intercepted and protected

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Speaker 3: civilians from the missiles, but Iran state television says ninety

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Speaker 3: percent of them hit their targets. So which party is right?

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Speaker 24: I think we'll probably find out in the next couple

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Speaker 24: of days. Certainly there were impacts in Israel. I've been

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Speaker 24: looking all day. I haven't been able to find out

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Speaker 24: how many. But Israel has said that only two Israelis

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Speaker 24: and one the two Israelis were injured and one Palestinian

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Speaker 24: was killed in the attack. And Israel's not the kind

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Speaker 24: of country where they would cover up deaths of civilians

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Speaker 24: or deaths of soldiers at the army basis that were targeted.

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Speaker 24: So I think the attack was not as successful or

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Speaker 24: wasn't anywhere near its successful as.

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Speaker 3: Iran hoped, so Binyamin Nikha, who says Israel will respond.

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Speaker 3: If Israel responds, presumably Iran will respond to that response,

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Speaker 3: and we get stuck in a cycle. How do we

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Speaker 3: break it?

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Speaker 24: I think we break it with the US. Iran actually

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Speaker 24: has a very weak military, which is the reason why

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Speaker 24: it's invested so heavy in proxy militias around them, at

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Speaker 24: least including obviously has Beloved, also must and various militias

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Speaker 24: in Yemen and Iraq, and obviously it's missile program as well.

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Speaker 24: But we're the US to step in and send a

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Speaker 24: couple of missiles at say an Iranian drone making factory

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Speaker 24: or an Iranian missile factory. I think Iran would get

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Speaker 24: the message very quickly that it needs to step back,

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Speaker 24: and that's that's why I'm hoping will happen in the

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Speaker 24: next couple of days.

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Speaker 3: What is the likelihood you think that the US will

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Speaker 3: do that?

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Speaker 24: It's hard to predict. I think relatively good. Obviously, the

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Speaker 24: US is in an election cycle and the Republicans would

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Speaker 24: want a strong response, and they'll be asking for that,

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Speaker 24: so it might be electorally a good idea for Biden

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Speaker 24: to do a strike such as that I'm not talking

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Speaker 24: war against you, right, I'm talking a limited point missile

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Speaker 24: strike because I think that will make Harris and the

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Speaker 24: Democrats look strong, which will which will help them electorallys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how do countries avoid getting involved in this? If

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Speaker 3: the US is involved? Inevitably are countries like Australia and

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Speaker 3: even New Zealand involved in some way.

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Speaker 24: Too, Certainly not militarily, I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I do think, however, that.

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Speaker 24: Iran needs to be sent a message.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 24: The US can send Iran a military message, but I

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Speaker 24: think Western countries should send Iran a diplomatic message. Now,

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Speaker 24: the Islamic Revolutionary Guards CALL, which is like the elite

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Speaker 24: units of the Iranian military. They are prescribed in America

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Speaker 24: as a terrorist organization because they because they conduct terrorists

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Speaker 24: attacks around the world, but they are also in charge

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Speaker 24: of Iran's missile pro ram and so they conducted the

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Speaker 24: attack over night. It were Australia or New Zealand or

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Speaker 24: the other Five Eyes countries or other Western countries generally

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Speaker 24: were to prescribe the IIGC as a terrorist organization, I

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Speaker 24: think that would send a very clear and strong diplomatic

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Speaker 24: methods to Iran. That the West is starting to hold

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Speaker 24: you run accountable for its malfeasents around the world, around

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Speaker 24: the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time, Brent, We appreciate it. That is

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Speaker 3: Bren Carlile, the director of Special Projects at the Australia

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Speaker 3: Israel and Jewish Affairs Council. At eleven past five, we

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Speaker 3: were just over a months to go into the US election.

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Speaker 3: The final debate event of the campaign took place this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: The Vice President's debate between Democrat Tim Waltz and Republican JD.

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Speaker 3: Vance holds perhaps a little more weight than a VP

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Speaker 3: debate usually would, simply because the race is so close

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Speaker 3: and this is the only debate they're having. Mark Gilbert

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Speaker 3: is the former US Ambassador to New Zealand and is

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Speaker 3: with us now.

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Speaker 21: Kyoda, Good evening, Kyoda, Good evening, Jack.

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Speaker 3: What did you think of the debate?

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Speaker 21: Well, first of all, it was civil, which I thought

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Speaker 21: was a great improvement from many of the debates that

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Speaker 21: we have seen. I think both candidates got across the

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Speaker 21: points that they were trying to make, sometimes answering the

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Speaker 21: moderator's question, sometimes answering or giving the answer that they

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Speaker 21: wanted the potential voters to hear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who do you think was the stronger performer at all?

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Speaker 21: Well? Jd Vance is an accomplished debater, so you could

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Speaker 21: see that he has done this many times before. Governor Walls,

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Speaker 21: I thought held his own and I thought the debate.

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Speaker 21: Each of them had strong points at different times. It

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Speaker 21: was obvious to see that the Trump campaign wanted jd

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Speaker 21: Vance to hammer Kamala Harris and the Democrats on energy,

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Speaker 21: which is something that sort of confounds me because during

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Speaker 21: the Biden administration, we became an energy net exporter for

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Speaker 21: the first time, and we're producing more oil more gas

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Speaker 21: than any other country in the world. To hammer them

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Speaker 21: on energy, I thought was sort of a strange task.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an interesting strategic move, wasn't it. You know,

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Speaker 3: There's been a lot of criticism about Donald Trump's decision

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Speaker 3: to appoint Jadie Vance as his running mate. Do you

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Speaker 3: think his performance tonight will quell some of that criticism?

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Speaker 21: Well, I think that the Republicans will think that he

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Speaker 21: had a very good night, which he did. He was

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Speaker 21: very strong. He answered the questions that he wanted to

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Speaker 21: answer in the way he wanted to convey a message.

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Speaker 21: I thought he was a pretty strong defender of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 21: But I thought towards the end of the bait he

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Speaker 21: completely lost all credibility when he was asked about the

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Speaker 21: twenty twenty election. When he was asked, did Donald Trump

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Speaker 21: lose in twenty twenty, and he said, well, I'm focused

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Speaker 21: on the future. And the only reason he Donald Trump's

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Speaker 21: running meat is because Donald Trump and his followers tried

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Speaker 21: to hang his former vice president. So it was a

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Speaker 21: very awkward moment. And if I was sitting there as

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Speaker 21: an undecided voter, I would have really recoiled at the

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Speaker 21: answer he gave about twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Thanks your time, Mark, we appreciate it. That's Mark Gilbert,

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Speaker 3: the former US Ambassador to New Zealand and member of

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Speaker 3: the Democrat Party. If you watch the debate, ninety two

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Speaker 3: ninety two is our text number. If you've got thoughts

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Speaker 3: on that, I'm going to tell you who I think

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Speaker 3: came out on top of a couple of minutes. It's

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Speaker 3: fourteen past five. If you're running a business, you know

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Speaker 3: that time is money, and if you're waiting for signage

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Speaker 3: to go up, believe me, it is costing you. If

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Speaker 3: people can't find you, they'll just go somewhere else. Speedy

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Speaker 3: Signs don't just produce your signage as quickly as possible,

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Speaker 3: they install it too. If you're replacing old signage with new,

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Speaker 3: they'll get your new signs up at the same time

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Speaker 3: as they take the old ones down, so you know

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Speaker 3: it'susiness as usual. From design and production right through to installation.

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Speaker 3: Speedy Signs take care of the whole job quickly, cleanly,

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Speaker 3: and efficiently. Speedy Signs would have to be New Zealand's

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Speaker 3: most well known signage company. They've been around for more

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Speaker 3: than twenty five years and have close to thirty locations

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Speaker 3: throughout New Zealand. You've probably seen their vans about from

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Speaker 3: coffee shops to multilocation corporate Speedy Signs handles it all

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Speaker 3: called eight hundred Speedy or visit Speedy Signs dot co

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Speaker 3: dot NZ team eighteen past five on news talks, he'd

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Speaker 3: be Tim Soudy has stood down as the black Caps

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Speaker 3: Test captain following a recent slump in form in a

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Speaker 3: series loss to Sri Lanka. Saudi will be replaced by

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Speaker 3: opening batsman Tom Latham starting against India this month. Mike

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Speaker 3: Hessen is the black CAP's former head coach and is

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Speaker 3: with us this evening. Good evening, nice to join you,

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Speaker 3: nice to be speaking with you. Did he jump or

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Speaker 3: was he pushed?

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Speaker 21: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Tim is very much the ultimate team man really, so

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Speaker 5: if he felt that the team was better off, he

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Speaker 5: would have he would have left his own volition. But

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm a bit confused as to why he would

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Speaker 5: need to do that, to be honest.

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, why's that?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 5: I think you know, at the start of the series,

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Speaker 5: Tim was sort of told that he was unlikely to

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Speaker 5: play in all of the games, and that was relatively public,

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Speaker 5: so heating it the sort of you know, six games

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Speaker 5: away from home. And then he was named captain.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 5: I can't think of any other side in the world

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Speaker 5: where you would name a captain on a game by

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Speaker 5: game basis. You know, you're playing for your nation. So

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Speaker 5: I thought the transition period made good sense. But then

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Speaker 5: when he was named captain, it's sort of made life

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Speaker 5: pretty difficult for Tim.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why would that have happened?

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm unsure. I mean obviously that that difficult conversation

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Speaker 5: had already taken place around the fact that they we're

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Speaker 5: probably going to transition you, you know, towards the end

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Speaker 5: of your career and obviously still a very important member

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Speaker 5: of the side, but there are guys who are also

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Speaker 5: competing for spot. So that conversation already took place though,

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Speaker 5: and Tim Tim tom Lathan was obviously ready to go.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not sure why they didn't take it one

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Speaker 5: set through the really at that time, just to make

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Speaker 5: it easier on Tim.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that would have made it easier if

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Speaker 3: they said, you know what we're gonna We're going to

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Speaker 3: bring you on the tour, but we're going to have

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Speaker 3: Tom Latham in the captain see from the word go,

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Speaker 3: so that we don't have to stand you down from

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Speaker 3: it part way through.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's it's pretty fear that to understand

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Speaker 5: the terms not at the top of his game. You know,

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Speaker 5: he's been for seventeen years, so he's more towards the

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Speaker 5: end and the start, so he would be the first

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Speaker 5: to understand, Hey, if I'm not going to play every game,

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Speaker 5: then how can I be captain? You know? So it

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Speaker 5: makes a lot more sense to someone who's guaranteed to

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Speaker 5: play everything likes of Tom to be a captain. Then

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Speaker 5: he doesn't have to sit in those difficult selection meetings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, do you think he's good enough to make

879
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Speaker 3: the playing eleven for the first Test against India?

880
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Speaker 5: I think in Bengal when the ball swings, I think

881
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 5: he's serious consideration, but certainly not a guarantee. I think

882
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 5: Matt Henry has fighted his time and deserves, absolutely deserves

883
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Speaker 5: that opportunity. I mean, he's been sitting behind bolts out

884
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Speaker 5: of there in Wagoner for many years and he deserves

885
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Speaker 5: that opportunity. So I think he's a shoeing f well.

886
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Speaker 5: O'Rourke is fully fat there. I think he provides that

887
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Speaker 5: point of difference. And you know, whether they go with

888
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 5: three seems in Bangalore when there's a bit of rain

889
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 5: rounds remains to be seen. But certainly not a guarantee,

890
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 5: but should certainly be in the conversation.

891
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Tim Sowdy is a bona fide

892
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Speaker 3: legend of New Zealand cricket. You know what he has

893
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Speaker 3: achieved over the last sixteen or seventeen years is extraordinary.

894
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: Do you feel, Mike that he has been let down

895
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Speaker 3: by the way this is all played out.

896
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Speaker 5: I'm just a bitch of chosed as I said before.

897
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 5: You know how he was put in this position to

898
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Speaker 5: be in controlled it and destiny. Really, I think it

899
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Speaker 5: just he was on a bit of hiding for nothing

900
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Speaker 5: in all, honestly, and I don't think he doping. That

901
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 5: situation should have arose.

902
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Speaker 3: It's really interesting. Thanks Mike. Yeah, we appreciate that. That's

903
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Speaker 3: Mike Keessen, the former black Caps captain. If you've got

904
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Speaker 3: thoughts on that. Ninety two ninety two as our text

905
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Speaker 3: number jacket newstalks hedb dot co dot nzet is the

906
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Speaker 3: email address before six o'clo. We're going to take a

907
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: close look at the situation in Wellington over the weekend.

908
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 3: So the police say that they are seeking to waive

909
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Speaker 3: diplomatic immunity so that charges can be laid against the

910
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: partner of an Australian diplomat who is understood to have

911
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: been involved in what police described as an altercation in

912
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Speaker 3: the early hours of Sunday morning in Wellington. So Sky

913
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 3: News in Australia says that the person was taken into

914
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Speaker 3: custody and then released without charge if it was confirmed

915
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Speaker 3: that they had diplomatic community and get this. As understood,

916
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Speaker 3: the person was the male partner of an Australian diplomat

917
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: and was wearing rugby themed attire. Right, so, just how

918
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: far does diplomatic immunity extend and what are the chances

919
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 3: it'll be waived in this occasion? We'll tell you before sex.

920
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: Right now, it's twenty two past five.

921
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Speaker 1: Hard questions, Strong opinion, Jack dame On, Heather Duplicy, Alan

922
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talk instead.

923
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Speaker 3: Be It was civil. That's the word that keeps popping up.

924
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty thoughtful. Actually, it was focused

925
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Speaker 3: for the most part on policy. It was frankly a

926
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Speaker 3: novel experience to be watching a modern US political debate

927
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Speaker 3: that didn't immediately descend into petty name calling, insults, conspiracy theories, hyperbole, lies, etc.

928
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Speaker 3: I thought jd Vance was much better than Tim Waltz.

929
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Speaker 3: If these things are to be scored, I know everyone

930
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: always wants a winner and a loser. It was simple

931
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Speaker 3: for me then jd Vance was the winner. He didn't

932
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Speaker 3: throw around insults in the same way that he has

933
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Speaker 3: on the campaign trail, which I thought was an interesting

934
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Speaker 3: strategic approach. And I just thought he did a really

935
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Speaker 3: good job of presenting a smart and reasonable and as

936
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Speaker 3: a steady partner of a more chaotic running mate. I

937
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Speaker 3: also thought there were moments in the vice presidential debate

938
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Speaker 3: in which he was humane or came across as humane

939
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Speaker 3: in a way that Donald Trump never really does. Tim

940
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: Waltz at one point was talking about how his seventeen

941
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Speaker 3: year old had witnessed a shooting, and JD. Vance looked

942
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Speaker 3: at him, let him speak, and immediately responded in a

943
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Speaker 3: really decent way. He said, I didn't know. I didn't

944
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Speaker 3: know about this. I'm really sorry that your child had

945
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Speaker 3: to experience that. You know, for the most part, I

946
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Speaker 3: don't reckon Tim Walltz was terrible.

947
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: You know.

948
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: He made a bit of a weird gaff where it

949
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: sounded as though he kind of said something about becoming

950
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: friends with school shooters, like he obviously just got his

951
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: words confused. But that was a bit weird. And then

952
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: there was some stuff around some comments he had made

953
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 3: suggesting he'd been living in Hong Kong at the same

954
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Speaker 3: time as Tieneman Square that turned out not to be true.

955
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: And I just didn't think he looked as fresh. He

956
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 3: certainly wasn't as self assured, and he certainly wasn't as

957
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 3: slick as JD. Vance. His best moment was directly turning

958
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: to Vance and asking if Vance believed Donald Trump won

959
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election, and of course Jadie Vance immediately

960
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: did that classic politician answer and said, you know, I'm

961
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: focused on the future. So what does it mean for

962
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: the race? Not heaps. I think there was probably more

963
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: to lose tonight for the respective campaigns than there was

964
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: to win. You know, it might translate to a we

965
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: we bump and support, maybe a few more voters suring

966
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: up their decisions. But more than anything I reckon for

967
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Speaker 3: Team Trump, it is probably the first bit of momentum

968
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Speaker 3: in the right direction that that campaign has enjoyed for

969
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Speaker 3: the best part of six weeks. Two two ninety two

970
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: is our text number. If you want to send us

971
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: a message, you know what to do. You can inflict

972
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: me an email. If you've got a thesis you want

973
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: to share. Coming up after five thirty, well, the huardle

974
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 3: them will get their thoughts on the VEEP debate, plus

975
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 3: the situation with diplomatic community maybe being waived for someone

976
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: involved in a so called altercation in Wellington over the weekend.

977
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: And then after six Genesis Energy it's just announced they're

978
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Speaker 3: taking on a majority sixty five percent Steak in charge

979
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: net so we will catch up with the Genesis chief

980
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: retail officer after six. News is next on news Dog EDB.

981
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Jack tame.

982
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: On, Heather Duplicy Allan drive with one New Zealand let's

983
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: get connected these dogs, EDB.

984
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: You know that subd news Dogs EDB, you were Jack

985
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: tame in for Headed Duplicity Allen. Really interesting comments from

986
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 3: Mike kss at I was surprised that he doesn't think

987
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: Tim Soudy as the black Caps captain hasn't been treated

988
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 3: well at the start of this season, if you like

989
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: all this subcontinental tour. He felt that Tim Soude had

990
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Speaker 3: been told, you know what, we're probably almost done with

991
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Speaker 3: you representing the black Caps, and then lo and behold

992
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 3: he was named captain. Now he's no longer captain. Will

993
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: he go to India? Be interesting to see. Thanks for

994
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 3: your messages on that, Jack. Mike Essen's absolutely right. Tim

995
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 3: Soaldy has been treated terribly. Says a lot about the

996
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 3: man that he could stand up and say that him

997
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: being dropped as captain is in the interest of the team.

998
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 3: Of course, at the moment that no one's really saying

999
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: whether he was dropped or whether he decided to stand

1000
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: down on his own accord. I agree with you. I

1001
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 3: think he's been really gracious the way he's kind of

1002
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Speaker 3: handled it. Also Far ninety two ninety two. If you

1003
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 3: want to flick us the message before six o'clock the huddle.

1004
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: Nick Mills and Mark Sainsbury our huddlers this evening. Right now,

1005
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 3: it is twenty three minutes to six. Jack Team and

1006
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Police are seeking to waive diplomatic community

1007
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 3: for an Australian diplomat's partner after allegations of an early

1008
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 3: morning altercation in Wellington just hours after the Bledderslow Cup test.

1009
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 3: One person was taken into custody, but then later released

1010
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Speaker 3: without charge after confirmation of diplomatic community. Graham Edgler is

1011
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: an electoral law expert and is with us on this

1012
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Speaker 3: good evening, Good evening. How does diplomatic community actually work?

1013
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 25: When another country wants to send someone to New Zealand

1014
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 25: as a diplomat or as a family member of a diplomat,

1015
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 25: they told New Zealander, these are the people we would

1016
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 25: like to send. Will you agree to them? Having diplomatic community.

1017
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 25: If New Zealand says yes when they enter the country

1018
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 25: on a diplomatic passport, we recognize that. The Ministry of

1019
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 25: Foreign Affairs takes note. There'll be a list. These are

1020
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 25: the people who have diplomatic community in New Zealand. And

1021
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 25: it's basically protection from legal process. So the law still

1022
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 25: applies to you, but the way we enforce the law,

1023
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 25: we just can't.

1024
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: Right the aout of community remains okay. So so if

1025
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 3: you if you commit a crime allegedly uh, and you

1026
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 3: are arrested, we then can't proceed with with legal proceedings

1027
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 3: beyond that.

1028
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 25: Yes, and often it would be you shouldn't even be arrested.

1029
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 25: Of course, you know, people understand what Sometimes you know,

1030
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 25: you're not quite sure who this person is. You get

1031
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 25: drunk or whatever. You know, they might not have idea

1032
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Speaker 25: on them, you know, so that sort of thing happens.

1033
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 25: But yes, you can't be summons as a witness even

1034
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 25: but yes, can't be prosecuted, can't be sued, and you

1035
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 25: know sort of. We have the same benefits in other countries,

1036
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Speaker 25: and benefits in certain countries more than others, you know,

1037
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Speaker 25: countries where certain behaviors in New Zealand, you know, or

1038
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 25: in other countries you know, can't be out in public

1039
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 25: without a man kind of thing and sort of Islamic

1040
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 25: countries or things like that, and yeah, so text them

1041
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 25: when they're here and protects our diplomats.

1042
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: Overseas and theoretically, could you theoretically, and no one is

1043
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: leading this has happened in New Zealand. Could you commit murder?

1044
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: Could you commit any crime?

1045
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 21: Yes?

1046
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 25: And I mean, well can you you know it's the

1047
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Speaker 25: one it's well no, no, definitely still a crime, right.

1048
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 25: And so one of the things that can happen then

1049
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 25: is if you have diplomatic community, New Zealand can say no,

1050
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 25: we're canceling it.

1051
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 5: You've got a week to get out of the country

1052
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Speaker 5: or whatever.

1053
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Speaker 25: And quite common in New Zealand for New Zealand to

1054
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Speaker 25: seek permission from other countries that diplomatic community be way

1055
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Speaker 25: yes and sort of. The friendlier we are with those countries,

1056
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Speaker 25: the more likely it is that they might agree. It

1057
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Speaker 25: doesn't always happen, but there have been a few instances

1058
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Speaker 25: over the last few years where either a relatively minor

1059
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Speaker 25: or a slightly more serious matter has come up. Sometimes

1060
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Speaker 25: the other country says no, but we all prosecute it

1061
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 25: in our own courts, right and then our police might

1062
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 25: help help with getting evidence over there to enable something

1063
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Speaker 25: like that to happen. But yes, the basic idea at

1064
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 25: you get to sort of the end, the other country

1065
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Speaker 25: can say no, but it certainly not unlan for them

1066
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Speaker 25: to say yes, and for New Zealand to do the

1067
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Speaker 25: same for you know, family members who might be in

1068
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Speaker 25: places ever see.

1069
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 3: So what what do you think is the police's chance

1070
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Speaker 3: that they are going to get the diplomatic community waived

1071
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: in this instant From what we understand.

1072
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Speaker 25: I think there'd be a reasonable chance given the country

1073
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Speaker 25: we understand to have been involved. I'm not aware of

1074
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Speaker 25: you the last time, you know, this sort of thing

1075
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Speaker 25: happened with that country. But you know it's these sort

1076
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Speaker 25: of relative, relatively minor things quite common for something like

1077
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Speaker 25: this the other country to say, okay, we're going to

1078
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Speaker 25: waive it. They do tend to do it sort of

1079
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Speaker 25: at a step by basis. So if you know, if

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Speaker 25: you need a search warrant, that'll be the thing you

1081
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Speaker 25: request first. If you need something else you know we

1082
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Speaker 25: want to charge, you know, you'll do it, you know,

1083
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 25: step by step. You know, a simple relatively simple metal

1084
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Speaker 25: like this, where you know, maybe you've got some c

1085
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Speaker 25: tdview footage and you probably don't need to do a

1086
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Speaker 25: search warrant to get someone's phone or anything like that.

1087
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Speaker 25: It might just be actually we need to charge this person.

1088
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Speaker 25: Do you agree? You know, yes, the charges we would lay,

1089
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Speaker 25: do you agree? And it will be sort of spelled

1090
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Speaker 25: out in some level of detail and up to the

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Speaker 25: other country what they do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting. Graham, you're you're you're very good

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Speaker 3: at explaining this, so thank you for your time. That

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Speaker 3: is electoral law expert Graham Edgeler.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, Local and

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Speaker 3: Huddle this evening. Nick Mills and Mark Sainsbury, journalist Marke

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Speaker 3: Sainsbrey and Nick Mills of Horses News doorgs Be's Wellington

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Speaker 3: Morning's hosts to accord with sure, So Nick, let's start

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Speaker 3: with you. Is diplomatic community in this instance from what

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Speaker 3: we understand fair.

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Speaker 5: Well, Mark and I go back a long, long way,

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Speaker 5: and we will remember so many incidents like this that

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Speaker 5: have happened in Wellington in the past forty or fifty

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00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 5: years and I've always not liked it. It's a part

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Speaker 5: of history that could be cleaned up and changed. This

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00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 5: guy will sneakily be sent back to Australia and the

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Speaker 5: whole thing will be pushed under a rug. That's what

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00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 5: generally happens. It's not a good thing. And this must

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Speaker 5: be a reasonably serious potential assault charge for the police

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Speaker 5: to even be bringing it forward. So yeah, I don't

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Speaker 5: like it. I think it should be it's a thing

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Speaker 5: of the past to stop people being arrested and terrorized

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Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and I don't think that it

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Speaker 5: should be happening in the modern world. If you break

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Speaker 5: the law in the country, if you're a visitor, I

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00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 5: don't care who the hell you are. Let's five oh

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Speaker 5: won them and send them home?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but wouldn't that be potentially risky for some of

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Speaker 3: our diplomats overseas, Mark.

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Speaker 5: Yees And Look, one of the things that I want

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Speaker 5: to know, and I tried looking at this up this afternoon,

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Speaker 5: was have we ever been asked and if news to

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Speaker 5: wave diplomatic immunity?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Good, good, good question, because I.

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Speaker 5: Understand and there's certain regimes you know, well Jack that

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Speaker 5: where it's necessary maybe regimes are less benign than our

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Speaker 5: own fact where you know, you do need to be

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Speaker 5: able to survive, you do need that that immunity. But

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Speaker 5: this is someone that at three thirty in the morning

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Speaker 5: were they drinking that we had a wild stab at that.

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Speaker 5: It's something too totally different, sort of as antisocial. It's

1134
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Speaker 5: nothing to do with their job. Yeah, and it really

1135
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 5: annoys you, you know, it really really gets up, gets

1136
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Speaker 5: on your goat when you sort of see this happened. Yeah, examples.

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Speaker 5: So you know, it'd be interesting to see how Australia.

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00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 5: It's already right over the Australian press, I see, and yeah,

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Speaker 5: so it's going to be quite interesting how they respond

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Speaker 5: because is there some reason for lock of waving immunity.

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Speaker 26: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, it's all one of the embarrassing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jack is an old saying that nothing happens after

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Speaker 5: three point thirty in the morning, So he should have

1145
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Speaker 5: been touched up with it.

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Speaker 3: It's not saying that nothing good happens after about eleven PM.

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Speaker 5: I just I like, I like the three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you want to have a little bit of

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00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: a little bit of rigger room there. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: just maybe it's easier for me me to say this

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Speaker 3: having not been in an altercation at three o'clock in

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Speaker 3: the morning and found myself in the cuth But I

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00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: just think I'd be too embarrassed. I'd be so embarrassed

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00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: to go to the police and say, oh no, I'm

1155
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: going to use my diplomatic community. Maybe you know, that's

1156
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: the decision that one can only make when one finds

1157
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Speaker 3: oneself and such a situation. So Marke, what do you

1158
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 3: make of the vice presidential debate?

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, look, gee, you and I are starting to

1160
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Speaker 5: think so much like it's getting to be a bit

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Speaker 5: of a worried jack.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, I thought that that Darnce had the motional loose. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and he and he came across by not being an

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Speaker 5: absolute loser. I was surprised, how nervyer. But Tim Watson,

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Speaker 5: you know, you got a little bit sort of got

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Speaker 5: thing conflated a couple of times. But I still think,

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Speaker 5: you know, he's certainly he certainly warmed up. The most

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Speaker 5: interesting thing for me, of course, is this, do you

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Speaker 5: know who Charles Curtis is? By any chance? Charles Curtis,

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Speaker 5: at nineteen thirty three was the last American vice president

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Speaker 5: to have a beard.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, No, this is the kind of analysis we

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Speaker 3: pay you the big bucks for. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: you're right, I mean Jadie Vance I think, Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think all by us aside, regardless of your views. I

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Speaker 3: think Jadie Vance was clearly the better performer. But is

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00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 3: this really going to shift the race at all? What

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Speaker 3: do you think?

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Speaker 5: Well, I've always felt that Jadi Vance is a little

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Speaker 5: bit of a smooth talker, slick slick Harry type guy.

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Speaker 5: You know, he just almost could be one of Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump's sons.

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Speaker 11: Couldn't it. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like so I've never kind of I

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Speaker 5: just don't jelled for him. Where too els to me

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00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 5: looks like the next door the old next door neighbor

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Speaker 5: that's mowing the lawns on a Sunday. And since how

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Speaker 5: you're doing and you're okay? Is everything all right? You

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Speaker 5: know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the as I get from them.

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Speaker 5: It's not going to make any difference at all. I mean,

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Speaker 5: who kids are, Damn, who the vice captain is? Who

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Speaker 5: gives a town?

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Speaker 8: Damn?

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Speaker 5: Who's the vice principle? Bal Is we only want the

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Speaker 5: top dogs?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, We'll be back with a huddle in

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Speaker 3: a couple of minutes. Nick Mels and Mark Sainsbury. Right

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Speaker 3: now it's fourteen to six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the

1203
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Speaker 3: Huddle this evening, Nick Mells and Mark Sainsbury. Well, the

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Speaker 3: tensions in the Middle East certainly aren't calling off in

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Speaker 3: any way, shape or form. The run last night launching

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Speaker 3: strikes on Israel. Nick, how do you see this ending

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Speaker 3: or are we just stuck in a cycle?

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Speaker 5: I mean, at the end of the day, there's two

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Speaker 5: conflicting ideologies that just absolutely hate each other. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's that's the bottom line. I mean, we all want

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Speaker 5: the same thing, peace in the Middle East. We're not

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Speaker 5: going to get it. I think I was really interested

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Speaker 5: in the guest that you had on earlier that said

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Speaker 5: talking was talking America. They're an election cycle, so they're

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Speaker 5: not It's going to take a real major push for

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Speaker 5: them to get involved. But one thing that I read

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Speaker 5: today that really concerned me there's seven hundred thousand Americans

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Speaker 5: living in Israel. I don't know whether you knew that, but.

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Speaker 4: That's a big number.

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Speaker 5: And if something starts to look like they're going to

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Speaker 5: be affected affected, well, of course America will have to

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Speaker 5: jump in. Usays are only only hope of any even

1224
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Speaker 5: slightly toning it down. But if we don't tone it down,

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Speaker 5: God help us all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard not to feel pretty pessimistic about the

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Speaker 3: whole situation, Sanzo.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, I wake up this morning and we watched the

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Speaker 5: tend on the BBC, just looking for live coverage out

1231
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Speaker 5: of there. Is it just one of those moments I think,

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Speaker 5: where is this going to go? You know, it's also

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Speaker 5: another moment I think, thank god we live where we do,

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Speaker 5: and it gets out of control, but you sort of think,

1235
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Speaker 5: what is the endgame? Where is the way out of this?

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01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 5: Have two sides effectively wanting to destroy each other, you know,

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Speaker 5: has blarm the masks and don't even accept the existence

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Speaker 5: of Israel to go, okay, that's our starting point. Where

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01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 5: do we go from here? But yet, Yeah, and we

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Speaker 5: watched this a humanitarian crisis unfolding in Gaza, and you

1241
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 5: just feel you just feel it hopeless to be honest,

1242
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 5: Jet sort of watching this sort of there's nothing we

1243
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 5: can do? Yeah, and yeah, and and and look at

1244
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 5: I mean, Nick Yahoo all the way through. I mean,

1245
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 5: you know, he's motivated to staying there day. It keeps

1246
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 5: him out of prison. And that's and that's not to

1247
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Speaker 5: take anything away from the atrocities that were foised on

1248
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Speaker 5: the on the Israeli people starting in octoger, but it

1249
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 5: just this just goes on and on anything. I just

1250
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 5: do not know how it's going to resolve it.

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Speaker 4: Stuff.

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01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 3: No, no, it's pretty bleak.

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Speaker 5: You've thought about in twenty four hours of course.

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Speaker 3: Yes from that, yes, yeah, all right, guys, thanks for

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Speaker 3: your time on that. Cherry note, Mark Sainsbury and Nick

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Speaker 3: Mills on the huddle this evening. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for your feedback. Jack, regarding the vice presidential debate. For me,

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Speaker 3: the moment when Jadly Vance was asked about the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty election and he refused to answer that was all

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Speaker 3: that mattered. Absolutely cooker if you overlook that, Jack. What

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Speaker 3: about that moment when the moderators fact checked Vance and

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Speaker 3: Vance had to pull them up on that. That was

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Speaker 3: this kind of weird moment. So unlike the presidential debate,

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Speaker 3: the rules heading into the vice presidential debate were that

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Speaker 3: the moderators weren't going to fact check, but then they

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Speaker 3: kind of decided that they were going to fact check

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Speaker 3: jd Vance and then so jd Vance was trying to

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Speaker 3: fact check the moderators fact checking, and then they just

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Speaker 3: cut us microphone. It wasn't exactly elegant television. It probably

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Speaker 3: didn't hurt jad Varns. It probably didn't hurt the moderators,

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Speaker 3: to be perfectly honest, and regarding Tim Sui, Tim is

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Speaker 3: a great of the game in New Zealand, absolute great

1273
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Speaker 3: of the game. He's a smart man and a smart cricketer.

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Speaker 3: The truth is, if he didn't stand down now, well,

1275
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Speaker 3: on his watch, he would probably be losing to India

1276
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Speaker 3: three to zero in the next series. That means he

1277
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Speaker 3: would have a record of losing the last six test

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Speaker 3: matches for the black Caps, and that's a record that

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Speaker 3: probably no one wants. Ninety two ninety two. If you

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Speaker 3: want to send us a message at seven to six

1281
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Speaker 3: on Newstalks, he'd be.

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Speaker 2: On your smart.

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Speaker 1: Speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car on

1284
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Speaker 1: your drive home. Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand one giant leap for Business News Talk.

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Speaker 3: As ZEDB coming up to six o'clock on News Talk's

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Speaker 3: edb Heaps Detect and emails Jack. Let's remember JD Vance

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump both consistently lie. They both have extreme views. Jd.

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Speaker 3: Van says is much more slick in his lies. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I do think it's a very It is a curious

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Speaker 3: part of JD. Vance's history that once upon a time

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Speaker 3: he was so critical of Trump and now he's Trump's

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Speaker 3: running mate. Of course, that the distinction is that he

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Speaker 3: says he was critical of Trump before Trump was presidency,

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Speaker 3: but once Trump was president, he said Trump was such

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Speaker 3: an amazing president that he changed his mind and decided

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Speaker 3: to back him once again. That's the distinction he would

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Speaker 3: draw anyway. After six o'clock on Newstalks, heb we're going

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Speaker 3: to take a closer look at some of the debate

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Speaker 3: around climate adaptation. Inquiry into climate adaptation is currently underway

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Speaker 3: at Parliament's some really interesting little ti bits have come

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Speaker 3: out of it, including kind of cross party support from

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Speaker 3: politicians who say that there need to be much stronger

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Speaker 3: market signals for properties that are being built or currently

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Speaker 3: exist in areas that are going to be most vulnerable

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Speaker 3: to climate change. So, for example, if you've got a

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Speaker 3: house in a really flood prone area, or you're looking

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Speaker 3: to build a house in a really flood prone area.

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Speaker 3: They don't want that and they want there to be

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Speaker 3: some really clear market signals so that homeowners stop having

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Speaker 3: those properties in those kind of places. So we're going

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Speaker 3: to catch up with Indied Heralds willing to Business Editor

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Speaker 3: after six o'clock get the details on exactly what has

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Speaker 3: been agreed across those parties, as well as that Genesis

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Speaker 3: Energy is just announced it's going to be taking a

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Speaker 3: almost two thirds majority stake in charge Net, which is

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's largest evy public charging network. So we will

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Speaker 3: speak with the chief retail officer for Genesis after six

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01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 3: o'clock see why they're doing that, what it's going to

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Speaker 3: mean for the rollout of ev charges in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: and what it'll mean for Genesis bottom line. It is

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Speaker 3: just coming up to six o'clock. I'm Jack Tame in

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Speaker 3: for Heather. This is Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 2: We have Business.

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Speaker 1: Meets Insight the Business Hour with Jack tame and my

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Speaker 1: Hr on News Talks MB.

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Speaker 3: New Talks dB with Jack Tame in for Heather to

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Speaker 3: Placy Allen, a couple of climate change related e things

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Speaker 3: that are of interest for you before six thirty, and

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Speaker 3: I promise they are of interest. A number one channel

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Speaker 3: Infrastructure has announced they're looking at a potential bio fueled

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Speaker 3: refinery at Marsden Point, so we're going to take a

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Speaker 3: closer look at that. Plus the inquiry continues into climate

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Speaker 3: adaptation in Parliament and politicians from across the spectrum seem

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01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: to be looking to the market to send private signals

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Speaker 3: to homeowners so that homes aren't built in dumb places anymore.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you the details on those very shortly. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it is eight minutes past Sex and Genesis Energy is

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Speaker 3: spending sixty four million dollars on taking a majority sixty

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Speaker 3: five percent stake in charge Net, our largest ev public

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01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: charging network. The investment will enable charge Net to develop

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Speaker 3: more charging points and the numbers expected to double by

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Speaker 3: about twenty thirty. That, of course will help the government

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Speaker 3: with its goal seeing a national network of ten thousand

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Speaker 3: charges by twenty thirty. And Genesis Energy Chief Retail Officer

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Speaker 3: Stephen England Hall is with us now. Good evening, Stephen,

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Speaker 3: good evening, Jack.

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Speaker 10: How are you Yeah, very.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks? Why do you want to be more involved

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Speaker 3: in the country's EV market.

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Speaker 27: So we see the carbonization of transport has been critical

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Speaker 27: to New Zealand's future and the public charging infrastructure necessary

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Speaker 27: to make that happen as a key enabler and a

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Speaker 27: key driver. If you have accelerating Jim's duty towards NETS

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Speaker 27: or twenty fifty, what do.

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Speaker 3: You make of our network at the moment?

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Speaker 27: Well, I think we're early stages. Like one of the

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Speaker 27: reasons we decided to back charge net is they're pioneers.

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Speaker 27: They've got the biggest footprint and EV charging infrastructure to

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Speaker 27: date in New Zealand.

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Speaker 10: There's been ahead of the curve.

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Speaker 27: And look, they've got a great plan to make charging

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Speaker 27: public charging more accessible and more economic for more people.

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Speaker 10: When we want to back that and help bring that

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Speaker 10: to life.

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Speaker 3: More economic for more people, how will that work?

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Speaker 10: Well, the thing is owning and driving an EV is

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Speaker 10: cheaper than owning and driving and an internal combustion engine vehicle.

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Speaker 10: And we've seen that in not just in New Zealand,

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Speaker 10: but in many countries around the world where EV adoption

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Speaker 10: has been accelebrating and of course has become a much

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Speaker 10: more common scene or common sight as more people drive

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Speaker 10: ev is the cost of that service comes down simply

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Speaker 10: economies of scale.

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Speaker 3: And so how much will Genesis taking on the stake

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Speaker 3: and charge Net speed up the rollout?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 27: Look, what we're looking at doing is trying to work

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Speaker 27: out how we part with someone like Charging It and

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Speaker 27: be a leadership team and accelerate the plans that they

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Speaker 27: have in place. What they need to accelerate those plans

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Speaker 27: is capital and access to energy. People like Genesis, we

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Speaker 27: have those two things and we want to make sure

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Speaker 27: we bring them to the to be plus, we've got

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Speaker 27: you know, we've got half a million customers across the

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Speaker 27: Genesis portfolio and we feel that that's a great way

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Speaker 27: to start and driving more change and more adoption in

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Speaker 27: the ev industry.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So if Genesis were not involved, would the rollout

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Speaker 3: of the network from this point under charge Net, even

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Speaker 3: with their ambitious plans be slower or faster than with

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Speaker 3: Genesis being involved.

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Speaker 27: I think it would be slower, I'd like to say

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Speaker 27: to be slower if we weren't involved. I thinks Big

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Speaker 27: evolved in bringing that capital and expertise to support them

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Speaker 27: and enable their plans. Probably the fastest way of executing it.

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Speaker 27: You know, when we look at our strategy as a company,

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Speaker 27: our gender vice commitments and our commitments to decarbonization ourselves

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Speaker 27: and supporting our customers on the journey. When we look

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Speaker 27: at New Zealand's I guess carbon footprint, but also the

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Speaker 27: economics involved in various industry is the finding pathways to

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Speaker 27: drive electrification of transport is a key is a key

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Speaker 27: factor across all those different territories. So having a double

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Speaker 27: the number of charge points by the end of the

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Speaker 27: decade is the commit we've made the charge it. If

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Speaker 27: we can make that go faster because the economics stack up,

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Speaker 27: we will definitely do that as.

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Speaker 3: Well to make it go faster. Do you need to

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Speaker 3: have incentives for the purchasing of EV vehicles?

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Speaker 27: That's a great question.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think it centers always help.

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Speaker 27: I think from an economics point of view, though EV's

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Speaker 27: are cheaper to own, the cheaper to operate, the price

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Speaker 27: of EV's is falling all the time. You can now

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Speaker 27: buy a brand new EV for less than thirty grand.

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Speaker 27: You can buy a mid range EV for less than

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Speaker 27: fifty grand. You know, obviously, if you want to be

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Speaker 27: a huge amount of money, you can buy luxury evs too.

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Speaker 27: But the prices are continuing to fall, and the more

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Speaker 27: evs we have in the market, the greater tune and

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Speaker 27: we're going to seem second hand vehicles and so forth,

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Speaker 27: and that will bring prices down as well. And from

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Speaker 27: a cost of ownership point of view, you know, running

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Speaker 27: an EV is considerably cheaper than running a petrol power

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Speaker 27: or a diesel car. And we think the economics over

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Speaker 27: time telling us that you know, the transition is inevitable,

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Speaker 27: even if the timing is a little bit less certain.

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Speaker 3: Yea, is it easy to make money out of charges.

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Speaker 27: If you've got if you've got a decent footprint and

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Speaker 27: a strong customer following, then yes you can. You can

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Speaker 27: start to make money out of it. But it's not

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Speaker 27: a short term plan. This is a long term can

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Speaker 27: have a long term play supporting grater e the infrastructure

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Speaker 27: in New Zealand. So we don't anticipate to turn profits

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Speaker 27: on that quickly. We think that those profits will come

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Speaker 27: over time with doing the right things for customers.

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Speaker 3: And what does over time then we're talking five years fifteen.

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Speaker 27: Look, as part of our announcement today, we've shared with

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Speaker 27: the market that we expect to see some positive returns

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Speaker 27: from this in the next few years twenty eight onwards.

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Speaker 27: That really comes down to know how fast we can

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Speaker 27: reinvest in the growth of that program. And as I

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Speaker 27: mentioned before, if consumer demand and customer demand is higher,

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Speaker 27: then we'll probably go faster, and if it think it's slower,

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Speaker 27: then we'll slow that down. But our plans suggest that

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Speaker 27: we can we can be offle business hit in this

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Speaker 27: investment within a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. A question here from a listener which

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Speaker 3: is an interesting one.

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Speaker 17: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Can you ask if having gen tailors involved in owning

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Speaker 3: EV charging networks, where presumably they won't be shopping around

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01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 3: for the best price for their customers, might not appeal

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01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 3: to a large number of EV owners. You've got an

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01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 3: answer for that, Stephen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 27: Look, I mean I think the fact that we I

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Speaker 27: think there are two different things. One is as a

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Speaker 27: gen tailor, obviously we have a generation in a retail business.

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Speaker 27: We see charge net as an arms linked business that

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Speaker 27: we've invested in. We want to make sure they've got

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Speaker 27: access to capital and expertise, and we want to really

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01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 27: get out of their way to ensure that they can

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Speaker 27: execut against their plan. In fact, we would love more

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Speaker 27: and more customers doesn't matter.

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Speaker 10: Which retailer, which energy retailer.

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Speaker 27: There with, you know, you know, Dale welcome to use

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Speaker 27: that service. And if we think if that service is

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Speaker 27: excellent and it's well priced, then customers will use it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, But I suppose the question is will all of

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Speaker 3: the charge net stations be using Genesis Energy for their supply?

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Speaker 27: Well, possibly that means a retail a retailer in their

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Speaker 27: own right so to speak, so they will be procuring

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Speaker 27: energy from the wholesteale market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, Hey, thanks for your time, Stephen, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: It is Stephen England Hall, Genesis Energy's chief retail officer.

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 3: Right now, it is fourteen minutes past six.

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Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Ellen with the business hours thanks to

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Speaker 1: my HR, the HR platform for SME on Newstalks.

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Speaker 3: EDB sixteen past six on Newstalks EDB. An inquiry into

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01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 3: climate adaptation has seen politicians of all stripes agree the

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01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 3: government should not try to stop the values of properties

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01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 3: that are vulnerable to the effects of climate change from plummeting.

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Speaker 3: Through this, they're looking to discourage investment in flood prone areas.

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Speaker 3: Seems to make sense, right. Janetibstrainey is the New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Herald Wellington Business editor and it is with us this evening.

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Speaker 3: Hey jan A, Hey, Jack, So just explain this to us,

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Speaker 3: because it's rare that we see politicians of all stripes

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01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 3: agreeing on anything, but this does seem like a bit

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Speaker 3: of a no brainer. Yeah.

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Speaker 28: Look, I think this is interesting because this issue around

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Speaker 28: how do we respond to climate change? You know, do

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01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 28: we let communities stay in flood prone areas when there

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01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 28: are big disasters? Do we bail people people out? Do

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01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 28: we pay for them to relocate? If so, how much

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 28: do we pay? Do we compensate them fully? These are

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Speaker 28: really thorny gnally questions and I feel like politicians have

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Speaker 28: been putting off addressing this issue for quite some years. Interestingly,

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Speaker 28: now we have members of the Finance and Expenditure Committee.

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Speaker 28: These are politicians from across the political spectrum agreeing to

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Speaker 28: some high level principles around how we need to deal

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Speaker 28: with this issue going ahead. So they've done this inquiry,

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01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,440
Speaker 28: they've released a report, They've agreed to some broad principles.

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Speaker 28: These are the ones you sort of said in your intro. Jack. Basically,

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01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 28: they're saying that that the government can't sort of stand

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01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 28: behind property owners and it can't protect people's wealth. So

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Speaker 28: if you own a property and your insurer decides, actually

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01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 28: this is a very high risk area, your premiums are

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 28: going to go through the roof. You might not be

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01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 28: able to get some type of insurance cover. You know,

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Speaker 28: that's really it's really hard your probably value, you're property

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01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 28: value fools. It's unfair, it's not fun situation to be.

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01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 28: And they're saying, well, we can't really do anything about that,

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01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 28: and in fact, we kind of need to see the

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Speaker 28: price of properties reflect the risk. And if the pricing

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Speaker 28: reflects risk, that will push people to live in in

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Speaker 28: safer areas. So it's actually quite a bold statement they're making,

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Speaker 28: just as a high level principal comment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are the insurers saying.

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Speaker 28: Look, the insurers are welcoming this. They want some direction

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Speaker 28: because you know, they're at the front line of this.

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Speaker 28: They're getting flat because they're adjusting premiums in line with risk.

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Speaker 28: They think it's great that politicians are signaling that they

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Speaker 28: might take some sort of lead. I think insurers will

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Speaker 28: also be pleased that politicians support risk based pricing. You know,

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 28: they support making people who are have properties in higher

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Speaker 28: risk places pay more because that is the you know,

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Speaker 28: that is the approach ensure As have been taking. And

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Speaker 28: there's always some debate around that because you know, do

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Speaker 28: you really make people pay what their risk really is

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Speaker 28: or do you share some of those costs? You know,

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Speaker 28: do you have a bit of cross subsidization. So it

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Speaker 28: sounds like the politicians are as siding with that. But

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Speaker 28: you know, this is all just commentary and a report

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Speaker 28: that the committee has published. We yet to see any

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 28: government policy or laws or anything like that that really

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01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 28: gets into the nitty gritty of how do we deal

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Speaker 28: with this? Now, just one more thing in this jack,

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01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 28: the committee members say that ultimately this is going to

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Speaker 28: cost us money. You know, if we're paying to relocate people,

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Speaker 28: for example, if there's another big storm, then we need

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 28: to think of ways of generating money to pay for that. Now,

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01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 28: to me, that sounds like there might be some sort

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01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 28: of future tax or levy to pay for it. So

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01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 28: that's the sort of gnali end that needs to be

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Speaker 28: worked through.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps less likely to be political consensus on that point today.

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Speaker 28: Well exactly exactly.

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Speaker 3: All right, hey, thank you, that is really interesting toenative

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Speaker 3: training the New Zealand heralds Wellington Business Editor. It's just

1553
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Speaker 3: gone twenty past six on Newsborg's EDB.

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Speaker 2: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Jack Ta and Myhr The HR

1556
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Speaker 1: solution for busy SMEs on Newstorg ZB three.

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Speaker 3: Three past six on Newstalk's EDB Before seven o'clock, we

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01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 3: will tell you about the government's new push to get

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01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 3: counsels to do more building inspections remotely but in renewable fuels.

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Speaker 3: News Channel Infrastructure has announced a potential biorefinery at Marsden Point.

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Speaker 3: Jeremyhutton from Milford Asset Management is wh us now getay Jeremy, Hi, Jack, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: talk to us about this.

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Speaker 24: Yeah.

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Speaker 26: Channel Infrastructure, which is now a fuel importer and a

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Speaker 26: fuel storage provider based at the old New Zealand refinery site,

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Speaker 26: announced this biorefinery project yesterday. So a consortium of international

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Speaker 26: companies are looking at developing the site and they're looking

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Speaker 26: to reduce some sustainable aviation fuel for Australian airline contests.

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Speaker 26: There are a few others in the consortium, Renover and

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Speaker 26: Keen Energy. They're both experts and building renewable fuel projects.

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Speaker 26: Around the world, and A and Z is likely involved

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Speaker 26: to produce the finance as well. But effectively, what they're

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Speaker 26: trying to do is utilize some of the old e

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Speaker 26: commissioned refinery assets and produce sustainable aviation fuel, which is

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Speaker 26: very exciting and quite a good use of the old TETs.

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Speaker 26: But there are still a few unknowns, like whether the

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Speaker 26: biofuel be used locally or concerts will want to ship

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Speaker 26: it back to Australia. But investors really like this announcement

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Speaker 26: and they sent the share price up almost ten percent yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. So how does Channel bring in revenue

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Speaker 3: from this? How does the process actually work?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 26: So remember Channel is an infrastructure provider now only, and

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Speaker 26: the revenue it earns from this and other projects are

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Speaker 26: quite similar effectively renting out their storage units, companies using

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Speaker 26: their their land for rents and the use of their

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01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 26: pipeline and their jetties as well. And this creates a

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Speaker 26: really steady and predictable revenue stream which certain investors are

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01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 26: really really like. But there is an upside for Channel

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01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 26: and this project displays it. They've got a lot of

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Speaker 26: land and a lot of that's consented, which, let's face

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Speaker 26: it is very important these days. They've got the consent

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01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:24,799
Speaker 26: to evictively expand more future energy and more future fuels

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Speaker 26: on the site and they're calling it the marss And

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Speaker 26: Energy Precinct. Now for the local communities, this is really

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01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 26: good news as well. There's potentially a lot more local

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Speaker 26: manufacturing and heavy industry's jobs returning and almost a re

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Speaker 26: industrialization coming back to New Zealand with a linkage to

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Speaker 26: more sustainable fuels. Is it.

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Speaker 3: What's next to the project and the Channel infrastructure?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, note that the project is still conditional, but it's

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Speaker 26: gone a long way, but they're still financing to organize

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01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 26: and they're aiming to push go on this construction in

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Speaker 26: the second half of next year. The Channel's also got

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Speaker 26: some further plans afoot. They've got an invest today wind

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Speaker 26: up later this month which will delve into this energy

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Speaker 26: precinct a bit more. But from this news, I think

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Speaker 26: it's clear that international companies that are focused on this

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Speaker 26: area globally of renewable fuels are very attracted to the

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Speaker 26: Marsden Point site. You've got Ossie Energy Giant forcessed View

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Speaker 26: also looking hard. But with the quantists and the sustainable

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Speaker 26: aviation fuel projects. The future is potentially very promising up here.

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Speaker 3: Any idea, Jeremy, when they might actually be producing this

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Speaker 3: sustainable fuel or this biofuel.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, hopefully pretty soon. They're doing a lot of testing,

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Speaker 26: still in a lot of internal work with this consortium,

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Speaker 26: but yeah, construction starting second half of next year and

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Speaker 26: hopefully not too long after that they're producing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, very good. Hey, thanks, Jeremy, appreciate it. Jeremy

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Speaker 3: Hutton there from Milford Asset Management. Before seven of the clock

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Speaker 3: will take you to the UK. The strikes from Iran

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Speaker 3: on Israel over UK forces got involved in supporting the

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01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 3: conflict at the moment, though scant detail to say the least.

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Speaker 3: So of course you didn't expect the Americans to be

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Speaker 3: involved right alongside the IDF at the very least coordinating

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Speaker 3: some of those defenses, maybe coordinating the response. But it

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Speaker 3: turns out the UK has been involved as well. So

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Speaker 3: we'll give you some detail on that very shortly. It

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Speaker 3: has just come up to six point thirty. Does you

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01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 3: with Jack Tame and for Heather this is News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Jack tam and My Hr the

1633
01:21:47,040 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: HR solution for busy SMS on newstalk zbre.

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Speaker 3: Snarly all but of tension between the German and Chinese government.

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Speaker 3: So a Chinese woman has been arrested in Leipzig on

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Speaker 3: a suspicion of passing information about the Leipzig Airport, which

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Speaker 3: I think is used as like a key transport hub

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Speaker 3: for the German defense industry. She's been accused of passing

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Speaker 3: that on to Chinese intelligence. Of course, there are all

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01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 3: manner of diplomatic implications for this. At the moment, I'll

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01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 3: tell you a bit more about that before seven o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Right now it is twenty five minutes to seven.

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Speaker 2: Jack Team And as part of its.

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Speaker 3: Housing push, the government has announced plans to make councils

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Speaker 3: do building inspections remotely. Minister for Building and Construction Chris

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01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 3: Penk says the building process takes way too long and

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01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 3: this will make things easier and cheaper. Some councils already

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Speaker 3: use remote inspections, but uptake at the moment is low

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Speaker 3: and practices vary. Malcolm Fleming is the CEO of New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Certified Builders and is with us this evening. Good

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Speaker 3: a Malcolm Good Evening Jack, So talk to us a

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01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 3: little bit about how a remote inspection actually works.

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Speaker 11: So remote inspection works like this, so a builder is

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Speaker 11: ready for their inspection. And it could work just as

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01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 11: well in a very remote location and I've been trying

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Speaker 11: the McKenzie country, or could be work in a very

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Speaker 11: traffic congested place like Auckland. And so it would work

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01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 11: like this that the builder would have a video have

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Speaker 11: the camera and be directed by a building a council

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Speaker 11: inspector back at their base and asking them to show

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Speaker 11: particular parts of the building that they want us to check.

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Speaker 3: Right, okay. So and when you say a camera, is

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 3: it just their phone the phone?

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Speaker 11: Yes, the phone would do right.

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Speaker 3: So you basically just do like a zoom call or

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Speaker 3: a FaceTime call, just a video call between the inspector

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Speaker 3: back in the office, the builder and the building. And

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Speaker 3: how many things would they be inspecting during one of

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Speaker 3: these digital inspections.

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Speaker 11: What depends on what the building inspection was for. Some

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Speaker 11: of those building inspections are for specific items, for example,

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Speaker 11: some structural steel that's been put in place, some tanking

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Speaker 11: that's gone on going on underneath, some tiling, some specifics

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Speaker 11: like that, or it could be for a pre line

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Speaker 11: inspection which is quite a significant milestone, or a final

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01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 11: inspection that the end of the project series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, So say, like for a typical house, what

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Speaker 3: would be the inspection that at the moment takes the

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Speaker 3: longest period of time.

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Speaker 11: That would likely be pre line inspection. My sort of

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Speaker 11: view of NJ'DCB that remote inspections wouldn't be for those

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01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 11: big milestone inspections. It would work very well in tandem

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Speaker 11: with some other tools that are available for some of

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Speaker 11: the smaller aspects which can be quite time consumed, and

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Speaker 11: builders are often waiting on site for building inspectors to

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Speaker 11: be able to arrive on site, and so the whole

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Speaker 11: projects that a standstill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of makes sense. So what when you

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Speaker 3: say there'd be small projects, what kind of inspections do

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Speaker 3: you mean?

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Speaker 11: Well, sort of talking about so if you worked in

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Speaker 11: tandem with other things like say producer statements for example,

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Speaker 11: which dcvs are quite keen on. So what I'm talking

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Speaker 11: about there, So if we look at the tanking example previously,

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Speaker 11: if you allowed the applicator provide a producer statement to

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Speaker 11: reflect that it's been applied in accordance with the manufacturer's requirements,

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Speaker 11: that creates a level of certainty. It's a paper trail.

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Speaker 11: And then what we required then rather than a physical inspection,

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Speaker 11: a video inspection, the remote inspection would be the tick

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Speaker 11: box required to give the confidence to the building consent authority.

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Speaker 3: That just seems incredibly sensible to me. The downside, what

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01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 3: you know, there must be some downsides to not having

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Speaker 3: inspectors there in person.

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Speaker 11: Well, I've seen some of the commentary around and I

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01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 11: think it's accurate that there could be misre representation by

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01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 11: some builders in terms of there control on the camera

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Speaker 11: where it goes our view NGCB that this should only

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Speaker 11: be available to LBP builders and also LBP builders who

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01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,799
Speaker 11: have got a proven track record with the council.

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Speaker 3: Right, okay, so so councils that already have so builders

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01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 3: that already have a relationship with council but have also

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Speaker 3: been shown to produce high quality buildings that meet standards

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Speaker 3: over a period of time.

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Speaker 11: That and also for building inspections, are well prepared and

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Speaker 11: that they don't have rework that needs a re inspection

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Speaker 11: because that takes takes time. Those builders who don't use

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Speaker 11: the council as a building control syste them and a

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Speaker 11: review and sort of having to teach them what does

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01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 11: and what cannot happen. So I need if they restrict

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Speaker 11: it to LBPS and those with track records, that will

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Speaker 11: provide the conference to life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So I'm just just trying to play things

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Speaker 3: out in my mind here. If there were a scenario

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Speaker 3: whereby a builder was having a remote inspection the inspector

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Speaker 3: wasn't totally happy with something and needed to inspect it

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Speaker 3: in person, that would require not only the digital inspection, right,

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Speaker 3: but also an on site visit in order to sort

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Speaker 3: out exactly what was wrong.

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Speaker 11: What you're describing, I think would require a physical inspection

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Speaker 11: to follow up. And we're sort of advocating that physical

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Speaker 11: inspections should not be done away from tirely for the

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Speaker 11: milestone one we talked about earlier, they should still be

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Speaker 11: in place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the final.

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Speaker 3: I just wonder how it's kind of quite hard to

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Speaker 3: know given we only have limited use of remoteness at

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Speaker 3: the moment, but from the councils that are using them

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Speaker 3: in the moment at the moment, do you have any

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Speaker 3: idea how often a building inspector would end up doing

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Speaker 3: both the video inspection and then having to go out

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Speaker 3: on site as well.

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Speaker 11: That's a good question. I don't have an answer to that,

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Speaker 11: but what would suggest that right now there is not

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Speaker 11: building because of the lower volume of building consents. They're

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Speaker 11: well down with that work. Yeah, r eighteen months ago, Jack,

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Speaker 11: this is a really great opportunity to start sort of

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Speaker 11: rolling some of these initiatives out. And as I said

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Speaker 11: on its own, I don't think it's a panacea, but

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Speaker 11: in the use of conjunction with other tools that are

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Speaker 11: available to the building consent authorities, I think together they

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Speaker 11: could create some efficiencies. It's not going to reduce the

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01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 11: material cost to build, but it will help reduce time,

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01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 11: and project time is money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, so how much time could they say?

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Speaker 3: What are the potential upsides if this new system works well.

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Speaker 11: Well in a busy building consent environment. So we were

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01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 11: eighteen months ago now waiting around for projects for building

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Speaker 11: inspections that could add weeks to a project. If you're

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Speaker 11: thinking about the finance holding costs to the property owner

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01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 11: associated with that, each week that goes by is a

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Speaker 11: is a cost, and it's also additional days and weeks

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Speaker 11: that contractors are on site. Yeah right, Okay, it comes

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Speaker 11: to the cost.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the thing that I'm sure many of

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Speaker 3: our listeners will immediately think about as something like the

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01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 3: leaky homes saga and worry that any relaxation of oversight

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01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 3: in the building and construction sector will ultimately lead to

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Speaker 3: a degradation and quality and we could find ourselves with

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Speaker 3: the fiasca that we have in the past. What would

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Speaker 3: be your message to those people?

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Speaker 11: So my message to those people is to mitigate risk.

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Speaker 11: Do that by ensuring that you're builder is trade qualified

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Speaker 11: and aligned with the trade association. That, in combination with

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Speaker 11: those suggestions that remote inspections not be available to everybody

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Speaker 11: as a discretion of the Council, LBPS and those with

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Speaker 11: a good track record, that should mitigate risk for the homeowner.

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Speaker 3: And Malcolm, as you mentioned, construction consents are well down

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Speaker 3: on where they were even just twelve months ago. So

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Speaker 3: how long will it take before this is standardized across

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Speaker 3: the country do you think?

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Speaker 21: Well?

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Speaker 11: The government is going at pace with the whole range

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Speaker 11: of building consenting changes and proposals. This is the second

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Speaker 11: one this week, for example, so they've certainly got the

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Speaker 11: bit between the teeth and I must applaud them. Their

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Speaker 11: main driver is to reduce the cost of building in

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Speaker 11: this country and it'd be no argument from industry that

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01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 11: we do have high building costs. So anything that can

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01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 11: do lead towards producing that is to be applauded. So

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01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 11: they're on the right track. They've got to start getting

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Speaker 11: coordinated with some of these ideas and bring start bringing

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Speaker 11: them together and work with industry.

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Speaker 3: Well said, Thanks Malcolm, appreciate your time. That is Malcolm Fleming,

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Speaker 3: the CEO of New Zealand Certified Builders. It's quarters seven

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Speaker 3: on news talks EDB. We're taking you to Europe.

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Speaker 1: Next qunching the numbers and getting the results is Jack

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Speaker 1: Team with the Business Hour thanks to my HR the

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Speaker 1: HR solution for busy s emmys on news talks AB.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your text. Jack. Remote inspections

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Speaker 3: when it comes to buildings won't work where complex and

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01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 3: multiple details need to be reviewed. I've been building twenty years.

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01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 3: The downside is simply that details will be missed by

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01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,839
Speaker 3: inspectors and hidden by the builder. Where reworks are required,

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01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 3: the inspectors need to be on site to discuss with builder.

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01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 3: There are big limitations with all of this, and let

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Speaker 3: us not forget the leaky building crisis in the past.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that, Sam Jack. Project time might be money,

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01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 3: but failures to detect issues can be extremely costly to repair.

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Speaker 3: Good planning, Negate issues with scheduling, inspections and work programs

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01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 3: ninety two, ninety two. If you want to send us

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01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 3: a message, time to catch up with our UK correspondent

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01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray Good Evening, Devin Ai Jack, So, UK forces

1813
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 3: were involved in supporting Israel and the conflict in the

1814
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 3: Middle East after Iran launched a missile attack on the country.

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Speaker 3: What do they do?

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Speaker 6: That's right, yep, that's right, Jack, and the Prime Minister

1817
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 6: making a statement that was broadcast quite quickly and we're

1818
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 6: not really being given very many details. The Defense Minister

1819
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 6: has said, and I quote this evening, the UK played

1820
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 6: their part in attempts to prevent further escalation. What does

1821
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 6: that mean. We think it means that UK fighter jets

1822
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 6: were involved. This isn't the first time in this sort

1823
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 6: of whole Middle Eastern crisis of this year. They were

1824
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 6: back in April under a different government when Iran last

1825
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 6: attack to Israel with missiles. The interesting thing is the

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01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 6: two main parties are backing one another. So back in April,

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01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 6: labor back the Conservatives the party of government then and

1828
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 6: vice versa in this most recent attack. Now, the Prime

1829
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 6: Minister is stressing that the UK stands with Israel and

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01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 6: recognizing its right to self defense. But many in this country,

1831
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 6: many in the Labor Party of government, will be very

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01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 6: uncomfortable that Britain had anything to do with this.

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01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting decision, isn't it, Because I mean,

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01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 3: Kiyostama has faced a lot of apprecia from protesters who

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01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 3: think that Israel's response to Hamas and that the bombardment

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01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 3: of Gaza has been wholly inappropriate, and of course the

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01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 3: Labor Party itself has faced criticisms in the past for

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01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 3: being anti Semitics. So how is he personally trying to

1839
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 3: navigate this?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's going to be very difficult for him.

1841
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 6: He's not obviously going to please all his party all

1842
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 6: the time, but this has been a pretty explosive issue

1843
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,600
Speaker 6: for him and it comes at the time, incidentally, with

1844
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:08,919
Speaker 6: six thousand British nationals in Lebanon. The first government chartered

1845
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 6: flight is due to leave a little later today, but

1846
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 6: of course we're just talking to three hundred on that,

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01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 6: so there's a lot of work for the government to do,

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01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 6: and it's going to be difficult for them to navigate

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01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 6: their way around this.

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Speaker 3: A Chinese woman has been arrested in Germany and accused

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01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 3: of passing on information to Chinese intelligence. What's happened?

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01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is at Leipzig Airport or Leipzig Halla Airport

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01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 6: as it's called. And it's been alleged that this thirty

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01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 6: eight year old woman who'd been working for a company

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01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 6: providing logistics services at the airport, has sent repeatedly details

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01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 6: on flights, passengers and cargo to another figure who worked

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01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 6: for China's secret services. Those are the allegations. Why does

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01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,480
Speaker 6: this matter because Leipzig Airport is a real key transport

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01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 6: hub for the German defense industry. Indeed, often that airport

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01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 6: is used to send military equipment, for instance, to Ukraine,

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01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 6: and German sources are saying the defense company involved in

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01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 6: transferring a lot of this military equipment is a company

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Speaker 6: called Rhine Mattal, Germany's biggest defense firm that's been involved

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Speaker 6: in supplying Ukraine with weapons, armored vehicles and military equipment.

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Speaker 6: And this is potentially this arrest linked with another arrest

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Speaker 6: of another person a few months earlier, and They were

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01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 6: said to be working for a member of the European

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01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 6: Parliament for Germany's far right party, and it was said

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01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 6: that they had been receiving details of the transport of

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Speaker 6: military equipment.

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Speaker 3: So why is Lipsy input of interest?

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Speaker 6: I think it's just because of its position in the country,

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01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 6: the fact that a lot of the heavy industrial manufacturers

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01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 6: of defense equipment are based around there. The airport is

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01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 6: used by them to export their goods and as we know,

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01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 6: export their goods in this case, mostly to Ukraine at

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01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:01,839
Speaker 6: the moment. So I think it's of interest to Russia.

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01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 6: What's being flown out by whom and when?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 3: Right now, workers in the UK should receive all tips

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01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 3: from customers under a new law which bends firms from

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Speaker 3: withholding the payments.

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Speaker 6: Yeah that's right, Jack. I mean there are three million

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01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 6: people in the UK, England, Scotland, Wales that is not

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01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 6: Northern Ireland who basically could benefit from this law. We're

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01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 6: talking restaurant workers, cafe workers, those in bars, pubs, hairdressers

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Speaker 6: and indeed taxi drivers. And under the new law, all

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01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 6: tips must be passed through employees by the end of

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01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 6: the following month when they were received, and there has

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01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 6: been a real issue here that often tips are added

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01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 6: onto the credit card bill and the staff simply don't

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01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,799
Speaker 6: receive it. It's taken by the employer, or a large

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01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 6: portion of it is taken by the employer. That's what

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01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 6: this legislation is aiming to stop. And the only sting

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01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 6: in the tale here, Jack is that workers will still

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01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 6: need to pay tax on their tips currently the law stack.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how much how much is tipping culture thing

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01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 3: in the UK these days? It was always kind of

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01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 3: similar to New Zealand pretty muted, especially compared to the US.

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Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely in comparison to the US. But you know,

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01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 6: I guess if you're working in a restaurant now, restaurant

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01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 6: prices have gone up, and if you're adding say ten

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01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 6: or fifteen percent, which I think a lot of people do,

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01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 6: then over the course of a day, that probably adds up,

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01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 6: particularly if your initial salary actually isn't that great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, hey, Thanksgivin, appreciate your time. That is

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Speaker 3: UK correspondent Devin Gray seven to seven. You're with news talks,

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Speaker 3: he'd be.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business hour with hither duplicy Ellen and my HR,

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Speaker 3: Now net forget. Wild weather is expected across large parts

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01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 3: of the country this evening, especially over the next few hours.

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01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 3: I think they've got severe thunderstorms, TV reign expected. Aucklanders

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01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 3: facing severe thunderstorm conditions, wind gusts up to Ady Kay's

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01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 3: potential flash flooding. Southland might experience snowstorms, heavy rain, yadiada YadA.

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Speaker 3: It is, to say the least, probably not the calmest

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Speaker 3: evening on the weather front, so make sure you take

1919
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 3: care out there and heat all the warnings. We're going

1920
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 3: to have updates as they come through from the Met

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Speaker 3: Service for you on News Talks HEADB and on Newstalks

1922
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 3: headb dot co dot NZ. Darcy Waldgrave is going to

1923
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 3: be taking you through the evening with sports Talk right

1924
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 3: after the seven o'clock news, digesting that announcement from New

1925
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 3: Zealand Cricket Tim Soudi's standing down as the black Caps captain.

1926
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Speaker 3: To close us out, though, Andy is on the beats

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01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 3: as per of your chosen for us bro filling in

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01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 3: on the beats. Oh come on, yeah, good to be

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Speaker 3: head Yeah, great to be here.

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Speaker 29: People think Charlie x X is coming. I kind of

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Speaker 29: forgot who she was and I remember she's that British artist.

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Speaker 29: But yeah to lane Way. So there's been billboards popped

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01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 29: up around the ponts of the area in Auckland that

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01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 29: looks similar to her album right from her album Brat. Okay,

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Speaker 29: so yeah, it's gone. It's gonna pick on social media.

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Speaker 29: But that is going to be announced on October ninth.

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Speaker 29: And hopefully Charlie XIX will be coming to New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Travy arm that's exciting, Okay, cool, Well, thank you sir,

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Speaker 3: thanks to Andy, Thanks to Libby for doing the tough stuff.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your feedback. I am back with you and

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Speaker 3: for Heather tomorrow afternoon from four o'clock. Until then, have

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Speaker 3: a wonderful evening. See his own.

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