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Speaker 1: Zealand Let's get connected, news talks that'd.

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Speaker 2: Be Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today.

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Speaker 2: Willie Jackson on the death of the MP Tucka Tai

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Speaker 2: hash camp Overnight. New Zealand Rugby on what happened to

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Speaker 2: that Carpitty Hauter of Fenua game leading to the cancelation

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Speaker 2: of all their games here there this weekend? And is

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Speaker 2: it fair to have your paid doc for just working

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Speaker 2: to rule. We're going to speak to your union.

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Speaker 3: About that ever, Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: How disappointing is the revelation that Faro order money has

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Speaker 2: been used to fund them mo onea Pacific a rugby team.

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Speaker 2: How disappointing is that this is not a criticism of

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Speaker 2: the rock star stories of the Super Rugby season. This

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Speaker 2: is about the funding. This is the kind of revelation

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Speaker 2: I reckon that does huge damage to public confidence and

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Speaker 2: government use of taxpayer money, because this is money that,

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Speaker 2: to our minds, is supposed to be going to some

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Speaker 2: of the most vulnerable people. To helping MARI and Pacifica

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Speaker 2: families with things like health, medical appointments, baby jabs, education, housing,

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But instead we find out it's

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Speaker 2: been going to fund a rugby team for elite athletes.

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Speaker 2: This has been going on for at least two years.

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Speaker 2: One of the outfits that's contracted to spend Final Order

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Speaker 2: funds Pacifica Medical Association Group We're going to call them PMA.

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Speaker 2: PMA has been giving seven hundred and seventy thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: same level, it will be total two point three million.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of money. Now credit where credit is

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Speaker 2: though tax payer money has been wasted. And the lesson here,

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Speaker 2: if there is a lesson, is that it is absolutely

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Speaker 2: But if you do that, they have got to be

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Speaker 3: Ever do for ce Allen.

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Speaker 2: Nine nine two is the text number there, and of

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Speaker 2: course standard text fees apply. Now it looks like the

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Speaker 2: drug that made Oprah skinny is going to be available

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand shortly put this in your diary first

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Speaker 2: of July next Tuesday, we go V also known as ozempic,

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Speaker 2: as going to be available, but you will still need

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Speaker 2: a prescription from your doctor. Doctor Arna Spenson is the

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Speaker 2: vice president Medical Oceania at Novo Nordistic. This is a

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Speaker 2: company that makes ozempic and is with us. Now Anna, hello,

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Speaker 2: helloue you stay the big day.

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Speaker 4: Of course it is a big day because it's very

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Speaker 4: important for us to bring something that two point eight

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Speaker 2: Okay, can I just just make sure that you are

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Speaker 4: So yeah, saying from first of July will be available.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how much is the cost?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 4: The cost will be absolutely similar to what Saxander is

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Speaker 4: So what would be the demand is difficult. The clinicians

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Speaker 4: Not public as hundreds, yet it will be available to

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Speaker 4: you know, the patient can get the script from their clinicians.

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Speaker 4: We as a company, we are determined to work with

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Speaker 4: This product with GOVI that's indicated for chronic rate management

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Speaker 2: All right, Anna, thank you very much, really appreciate your times.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Arna Spenson, who's the vice president Medical Oceania Novo Nordisk.

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Speaker 2: Darcy Watergrave sports talk hosters with me right now. Hello,

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Speaker 2: Darcy is Chrispy. Okay, this is weird. Okay, So the

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Speaker 2: cancelation of all the games in HOWD of Finowett and Carpety,

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Speaker 6: I do? And incidentally, ladies and gentlemen, we found each

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Speaker 7: My big issue here is not that horror for Neure

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Speaker 6: My problem here is insid are run the game of

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Speaker 5: What has to happen next.

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Speaker 6: That's all coming up tonight from seven Brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Your wonderful Thank you Darcy, Darcy Crispin Watergrave sports Stock

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Speaker 2: you are not going possibly to believe this. The judge

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Speaker 2: How long has this been going on? Can I just

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Speaker 2: That'd be twenty four past four. Listen, update for you

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Speaker 2: This is where the NATO boss Mark Ritter called Donald

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Speaker 6: They've had a big fight, like two kids at a

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Speaker 8: Then it's easier to start up, and then Daddy have

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Speaker 8: The daddy thing. I didn't call him daddy, but I said,

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Speaker 2: to that very shortly. Hither I was a rugby referee

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Speaker 10: We can dance on nine.

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Speaker 2: Somebody else's complaining to the road cone tip line in

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Speaker 2: the is the chair of the Albert Eden local boards.

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Speaker 2: That's like Mount to Albert, Mount Headen, that kind of

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump says around's nuclear program has been set back

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Speaker 11: But it is right that I reiterate that the first

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Speaker 2: And finally, a pub in England has banned the local

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Murray Old Ozzie corresponds with us, Hello Nas afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he says Monday, but Wednesday could be Friday.

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Speaker 5: You're talking about Justice Christopher Beale, who was the Supreme

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Speaker 5: There are fourteen jurors. I didn't realize this until this

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Speaker 5: Two jurors of the fourteen will be balloted out, and

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Speaker 5: must be left, as I said about standard beyond reasonable

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Speaker 2: So what's up with the two that have been balloted out?

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Speaker 5: I mean somebody might get sick. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 5: And don't forget thirty seven days. It's a very very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is.

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Speaker 5: Very anything could happen in that in.

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Speaker 2: know what, jury jury members sometimes get up all kinds

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Speaker 2: of funny things as well, right, So even if the

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Speaker 2: whole thing got thrown out because a couple of them

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Speaker 2: were up to something.

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Speaker 5: Don't don't put the don't put the marker on it, mate,

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Speaker 5: do not do that.

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Speaker 2: What's up with the judge though, Like, what is the

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Speaker 2: judge doing?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know what, I've never studied lawa liver died

444
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Speaker 5: law at university, but I think what I mean, this

445
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Speaker 5: is such an important case. It's such a long case.

446
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Speaker 5: There's so much riding on this. He does not want

447
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Speaker 5: to discharge the jury back to their you know, said

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Speaker 5: the jury out and then have any points of law

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Speaker 5: that may be picked up by the defense saying, well

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Speaker 5: the judge.

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Speaker 2: Erd here, I see.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know he has to cross every t dot,

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Speaker 5: every eye and you know, you don't get to be

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Speaker 5: on the Supreme Court by being a dummy. They are

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Speaker 5: very very experienced jurists, and you know the King's Council,

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Speaker 5: who are now prosecuting and defending that expert on their fields.

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Speaker 5: You've got to have everything absolutely schmick and so I

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Speaker 5: think that's why it's been so darn long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm really hoping that I'm really hoping

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Speaker 2: that it's nothing. Fingers cross, fingers cross, knock on, knock

461
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Speaker 2: on wood. We'll get an answer to this one. Hey,

462
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Speaker 2: what's happened with the ABC?

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Speaker 5: Well, the ABC heerd a big time a young woman

464
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Speaker 5: called Antoinette Latooth. She's of Lebanese extraction mom and dad.

465
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Speaker 5: I think mam and dad. Certainly her antecedents come from Lebanon.

466
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Speaker 5: She's obviously an Australian and she was hired for a

467
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Speaker 5: one week Christmas shift on ABC Radio and Sydney. Now.

468
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Speaker 5: She got sacked on the Wednesday after she posted a

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Speaker 5: news story from the Human Rights Organization that said, basically,

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Speaker 5: Israel was used in starvation as a weapon of war

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Speaker 5: in the war on Gaza. Right now, that information had

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Speaker 5: already been reported by ABC Radio News I think television

473
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Speaker 5: news as well, So you wouldn't think it was all

474
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Speaker 5: that controversial that she would simply repost an allegation that

475
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Speaker 5: had already been on the ABC. The judge in the

476
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Speaker 5: Federal Court found the ABC management panicked. They went into

477
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Speaker 5: a total panic and they gave it a flick on

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Speaker 5: the Wednesday afternoon because pro Jewish lobby groups, pro israel

479
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Speaker 5: lobbyists in Sydney were on We're onto the management of

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Speaker 5: the ABC saying how can you let this woman, how

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Speaker 5: can you let this presenter put these anti Israeli views

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Speaker 5: to air. So ABC manager's gone to a tail spend,

483
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Speaker 5: sent out the junior managers who have given her the pump,

484
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Speaker 5: shown to the door. She's gone, well, she said, hang

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Speaker 5: on a second. No, I'm not going to cop that.

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Speaker 5: She went to the where did she go here? I'm

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Speaker 5: just looking here in my notes. She went the relevant

488
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Speaker 5: judicial authority and said, listen, I've been unfairly dismissed. And

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Speaker 5: the Federal Court has upheld that. Not because a part

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Speaker 5: of her argument was I'm the Middle Eastern distraction and

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Speaker 5: the ABC management sacked me because of that. No, absolutely not,

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Speaker 5: said the Federal Court judge. But he did find it

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Speaker 5: was completely unfair of the ABC to sack this woman

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Speaker 5: without giving her a chance to respond to the misconduct allegations.

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Speaker 5: The executives bowed the judge to outside pressures from pro

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Speaker 5: Israel lobbyists, she went to the Human Rights that Human

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Speaker 5: Rights Watts report had already been to wear of the ABC.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't that she was making this stuff up. So,

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Speaker 5: I mean, what a disaster. You've got these junior managers

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Speaker 5: sent out by the big brass. Oh, you've got to

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Speaker 5: get rid of her. It's only a pre Christmas shift,

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Speaker 5: it's a fill in shift. Well now they offered the

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Speaker 5: settle for eighty five k right. Oh yeah, Now they've

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Speaker 5: in order to pay seventy thousand dollars in damages and

505
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Speaker 5: the possibility of punitive damages on top of that, and

506
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Speaker 5: the ABC's defense has cost more than one point one

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Speaker 5: million dollars for the ABC to lose.

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Speaker 2: Shesh. You could hire like twenty journo's for that. That

509
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Speaker 2: is ridiculous, talk about talk about talk about stupidity. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you for that, Mars appreciated Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Honestly,

511
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Speaker 2: the money that people throw at just winning a battle stupid. Hey,

512
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Speaker 2: Wellington thought some prayers. Another massive rates hike just been

513
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Speaker 2: confirmed today. Twelve percent for Wellington. Twelve percent is a

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Speaker 2: reprieve This is not even news. In Wellington. Come at

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Speaker 2: them with a twenty then you're talking. But twelve percent

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Speaker 2: the rest of us. I mean, I don't know. In Auckland,

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Speaker 2: we're looking at twelve percent, going oh okay, that is

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Speaker 2: probably they've got Stockholm syndrome. Yeah, they say twelve percent.

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Speaker 2: And also I think I think the worst bit about

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Speaker 2: the twelve percent is that is that they only found

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Speaker 2: out a few days ago what happened to the last

522
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Speaker 2: lot of money that they gave the council, which was, yes,

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Speaker 2: the disco toilet.

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Speaker 1: It's accord to politics with centric credit, check your customers

525
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Speaker 1: and get payments, certainty.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Thomas, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Did you see taku Ta taj Kemp yesterday?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Did?

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Speaker 12: She was in the debating chamber. She looked perfectly healthy

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Speaker 12: and normal. It was a shocked to me, just like

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Speaker 12: it was the shock to everyone in parliament.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so do we know what happened last overnight?

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Speaker 12: I know that the departing Malory have understandably that they

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Speaker 12: were in Parliament this morning, but they were not at

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Speaker 12: question time. All it would appear headed back up to

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Speaker 12: Auckland to prepare for Kemp's tonguey. So we haven't had

539
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Speaker 12: any detailed media explanation of what has gone on here.

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Speaker 12: Kemp was did have kidney disease, she was known to

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Speaker 12: She took six weeks off last year for kidney disease,

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Speaker 12: so she was known to have that. So I think

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Speaker 12: there's a there's a there's a fear indication that it

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Speaker 12: might have been related to complications with that. But but

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Speaker 12: we honestly don't know.

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Speaker 2: And so I saw that the Labor Party held a

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Speaker 2: stand up press conference about this, but I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: that the Marta Party. Have they not done done one yet?

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Speaker 12: No, no, nothing nothing from them today. There are their

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Speaker 12: MP's were in parliament today. The suspensions lifted on the

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Speaker 12: CO leaders last night, So the suspensions lifted as of

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Speaker 12: midnight last night, so they could have all And I

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Speaker 12: guess that's one of the sad parts of this is

554
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Speaker 12: actually the last time that the entire caucus would have

555
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Speaker 12: been present under the debating chamber was was the day

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Speaker 12: that that the CO leaders were censured, we're sorry, suspended

557
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Speaker 12: from parliament with what related to relating to that haka.

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Speaker 12: But no everyone and everyone left the Greens put some

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Speaker 12: flowers on Kemp's desk in Parliament. There was a Maori

560
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Speaker 12: Party flag on her chair. But but Malori partty of

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Speaker 12: the MPs have have decided not to not to be

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Speaker 12: in Wellington for today. Obviously there there might be more

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Speaker 12: tributes paid a bit like with Offesso Collins. We don't

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Speaker 12: have eyes on that yet with Offesso Collins, who were

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Speaker 12: tributes paid after when Parliament returned, so we might at

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Speaker 12: that time in the instance to.

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Speaker 2: Okay Thomas, what is the warning from Treasury? Never is

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Speaker 2: a good thing?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 12: Never a good thing with treasury? Treasury delivers a warning

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Speaker 12: like this. Look, they've just said that the government is

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Speaker 12: the government, I suppose is trying to take the least

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Speaker 12: difficult path back to suplus, which is just to increase

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Speaker 12: spending every year, but not increase it by very much

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Speaker 12: and so slowly the books get back into water. It's

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Speaker 12: not painful cuts like the Ruth Richardson years. It's not

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Speaker 12: a lot of spending like the last Labor government. It's

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Speaker 12: increasing spending but not too much. Treasury is just sort

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Speaker 12: of looked at those numbers and said, well, look if

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Speaker 12: you did that over the next fifteen or so years.

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Speaker 12: What would that do? And basically that would open up

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Speaker 12: a very large hole between about ten million dollars in

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Speaker 12: today's money between what they think the health system needs

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Speaker 12: and what it would be likely to get. And so

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Speaker 12: the big question that Treasury is basically asking, which is

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Speaker 12: the same question that Treasury is always asking, is what

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Speaker 12: are you going to do about superinnuation entitlement? So you're

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Speaker 12: going to lift the age to sixty seven to save

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Speaker 12: some money or are you going to have to start

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Speaker 12: looking at tools like a capital gains tax to raise

591
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Speaker 12: that money? The same question they always ask. The answers

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Speaker 12: always know, uh huh.

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Speaker 2: And do you think do you think that National is

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Speaker 2: going to campaign on sixty seven? I?

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Speaker 12: Yes, I feel like I feel like there's a probably

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Speaker 12: sixty percent chance of there. Obviously, with Winston in the picture,

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Speaker 12: it ain't going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Was pretty clear, should they because it is unpopular, it

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Speaker 2: remains unpopular, and this is going to be a tight election.

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Speaker 12: Well, yeah, if I were in the National you're damned

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Speaker 12: if you do, damned if you don't. Because if you're

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Speaker 12: if you're in the National Party strategy team right now,

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Speaker 12: you're thinking, well, if we do campaign on sixty seven,

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Speaker 12: we might be the first one term national government in history.

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Speaker 2: Because you're right, and why are you damned if you

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Speaker 2: don't campaign on sixty seven.

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Speaker 12: Well, if you don't campaign and it, then you've got

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Speaker 12: another three years where you've got to do even tight

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Speaker 12: You've got to keep making quite tight cuts.

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Speaker 2: You've got to do the difficult but necessary thing.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I keep it. If you keep it at sixty five,

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Speaker 12: then all of a sudden you're going to say, well,

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Speaker 12: look we'll keep it at sixty five. But in order

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Speaker 12: to pay for that, we can't increase the health budget

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Speaker 12: by as much would like, or we can't increase the

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Speaker 12: education budget by as much, or.

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Speaker 2: You could just cut into stuff that's unnecessary, for example,

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Speaker 2: get rid of the Infrastructure Commission.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I like the way you singled that one out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and today I'm going in for a second bite

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Speaker 2: on that one actually, But you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: there are My point is, Thomas, there are lots of action.

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Speaker 2: There are there are lots of decisions that can be taken,

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Speaker 2: and lots of little cuts that can add to a

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Speaker 2: big cut.

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Speaker 12: Right, Yeah, Well, and yeah, I mean and to that point,

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Speaker 12: the X Party when it was in opposition did a

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Speaker 12: bit a bit like what the Greens are doing with

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Speaker 12: their draft budgets, although the ex party draft budgets were

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Speaker 12: very different of the Green Party draft budgets. They'd publish

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Speaker 12: draft budgets and I basically say, right, we think this

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Speaker 12: is rubbish. This is rubbish, this is rubbish. They gone,

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Speaker 12: here's how much, would say, and here's where we'd spend it.

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Speaker 12: So yes, you could. You could free up significant amounts

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Speaker 12: of money as well.

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Speaker 2: Thomas, thanks very much, appreciate it, mate, Thomas Coglan, the

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Speaker 2: Herald's political editor, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 5: So here we go again.

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Speaker 14: The Finance Minister's written this morning another letter to the

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Speaker 14: for Market's food Stuffs has pled guilty as I'm sure

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Speaker 14: you're aware of a couple of breaches of inaccurate pricing.

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Speaker 14: Wolworths is facing apparently similar charges Nicola Willis as well,

645
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Speaker 14: as are you, the Finance minister who cried wolf.

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Speaker 15: No, I have the same basic expectation that every key

647
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Speaker 15: shopper has, which is some pretty basic things you have

648
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Speaker 15: to do under the law as a retailer. One is

649
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Speaker 15: make sure that the prices that you say on the

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Speaker 15: shelf are the prices that pay at the till. And

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Speaker 15: the fact that they are pleading guilty to not meeting,

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Speaker 15: there's pricing obligations and me just isn't good enough and

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Speaker 15: I shouldn't have to point out.

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Speaker 14: Make back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 14: with the Defender Octor News Talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Heather, it's all good for the judge on his fat

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Speaker 2: salary to drag the trial to its eighth week, but

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Speaker 2: Spira thought for the poor juras Hey. Actually interesting point

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Speaker 2: on that. In Victoria, which is where this is being held,

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Speaker 2: this is the mushroom chef trial. They get paid forty

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Speaker 2: dollars a week a day for the first week, and

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Speaker 2: then eighty dollars a day for the second week and thereafter.

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Speaker 2: But and this is the important and very different to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand b. But the employer in Victoria is then

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Speaker 2: expected to top up their pay to buy the looks

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Speaker 2: of things maximum full them ount on pay for the duration.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel

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Speaker 2: sorry for the employers who for eight weeks have not

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Speaker 2: had employees but have still paid them. Basically, the top up.

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Speaker 2: It's like maternity leave. It's like a very short maternity leave,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. It's like a short maternity leaf. But it

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Speaker 2: can happen to boys and girls of all ages. Jury

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Speaker 2: service in Victoria. Actually, I don't think that's a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: I think we should be doing that here. Anyway, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna have to run out of time. I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: about the update you on the road Cones success stories shortly.

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Speaker 2: Willie Jackson is with us. Next on the death of

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Speaker 2: that MP Tuck with Ti tash Camp. And also you're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a chat to Kate McNamara, the Herald reporter

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Speaker 2: who broke the story about the funding of Mwana Pacifica

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Speaker 2: with final order money. Newstalk z'b.

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Speaker 5: DISKI what.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the smiths to find the real story dooring,

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Speaker 1: it's hither dupless the on drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be good.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon Parliament has risen for the day, paying tribute to

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Speaker 2: Mary Party MP tap the Tai hash Kemp, who died

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Speaker 2: unexpected the other night. She had suffered from kidney disease.

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Speaker 2: Her death will now trigger a by election in the

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Speaker 2: Maori electorate of Tamaki Makoto. Labour's Willie Jackson was a

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Speaker 2: friend high Willie.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, you're to hear that.

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Speaker 2: WELLI obviously my condolence is what happened to I mean,

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Speaker 2: she was at parliament yesterday, so what happened overnight?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, Well, she's been on dialysis and so you know

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Speaker 16: she's getting that three or four times a week and uh,

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Speaker 16: you know, it's tough on the body. And I think

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Speaker 16: that's just a reaction from what I what I've heard,

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Speaker 16: and you know, and died of I think she died

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Speaker 16: in this sleep from from what I've heard. So I'm

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Speaker 16: just on the way to to the airport and hopefully

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Speaker 16: we'll be able to catch up with It's a toney

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Speaker 16: later today.

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Speaker 2: Did she did she seem well yesterday when she was

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Speaker 2: out of parliament?

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Speaker 16: Well, she seemed well last week when we were in

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Speaker 16: you know, we're in scrutiny week and she was given

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Speaker 16: it to a relation Tom of Portucker in the Selek

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Speaker 16: Committee and you know, it's it's a it's terrible that

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Speaker 16: that kidney disease. You just you just don't know, you know,

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Speaker 16: some people can manage it for a few years. And

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Speaker 16: she's head that I think for the last you know,

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Speaker 16: last year or two, and it just it just came

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Speaker 16: up on it. I mean, she a lovely woman to

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Speaker 16: she's I knew her well because we worked in the

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Speaker 16: Even Movement before. You know, she was the CEO out

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Speaker 16: in South Brooklyn there and it's done a lot of

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Speaker 16: great work with young people in the employment area and vivacious.

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Speaker 16: Probably a bit quiet in Parliament, but probably a lot

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Speaker 16: of the reasons for that have been because of the thickness,

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Speaker 16: because of the poor health.

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Speaker 2: Was she waiting for a kidney.

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure either. I'm not sure to tell you

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Speaker 16: the truth.

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Speaker 2: I mean I suppose if you probably probably was, Willy.

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Speaker 2: If you're waiting, if you're doing dialysis that often you

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Speaker 2: would be, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, you know she was only fifteen. You know, we

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Speaker 16: won't even blinking. You want old like myself, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: she won in her sixties.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 16: You know, it's a bit of a it was a

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Speaker 16: bit of a shock.

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Speaker 17: It was good.

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Speaker 16: I don't know if you saw parliament. Parliament come together

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Speaker 16: pretty well. I hate to compliment everyone, including you know,

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Speaker 16: your mates, you know, David seymore on them. I have

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Speaker 16: that Shane Jones that it's quite funny. Really we're all

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Speaker 16: going at each other one day. But if you can't

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Speaker 16: come together for something like that, I suppose we're all that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, we're all Keywi's in the end. Now, Look,

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Speaker 2: I mean it might be premature me asking this, and

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Speaker 2: so I'm sorry because it is slightly callous. But obviously

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Speaker 2: there will be a by election at some stage. Have

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Speaker 2: you turned your mind to it or is it too early.

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Speaker 16: I we'll tell you the truth. We haven't even you know,

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Speaker 16: like it just you know, Penny hen Nady obviously is

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Speaker 16: the candidate and he you know, he's taking it really badly.

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Speaker 16: You know, those people have getting a bit shocked by there,

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Speaker 16: because some people would have would say he was done

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Speaker 16: out of the money they will see, but you know

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Speaker 16: he's saw tasked like a sister. It's maldi politicians for

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Speaker 16: you sometimes, you know, as I said in the house,

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Speaker 16: you know he had a bit of a tongue, a

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Speaker 16: bit of a bit of a bit of a cry,

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Speaker 16: you might, and these are genuine tears, you know. And

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Speaker 16: when we did a press court conference earlier today and

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Speaker 16: even in the house, we haven't to tell you the truth.

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Speaker 16: We haven't turned our mind to it. We're going to

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Speaker 16: go to the Tonguey she's going to be a twenty

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Speaker 16: white team and then she'll be going down to Tai

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Speaker 16: happ Air to be buried over the weekend. So it's

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Speaker 16: going to be a long few days and we'll turn

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Speaker 16: our mind to it next week. And don't mind having

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Speaker 16: a bit of a chat with you probably you know

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Speaker 16: as we get into it, but it's not something that

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Speaker 16: we probably should be talking about at the moment.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's thanks very much appreciated. Go well,

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Speaker 2: Willie Jackson, Labor Party.

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Speaker 3: MP Keller du for C Allen.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's been revealed today that Farno Order funds have been

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Speaker 2: used to prop up the more Wana Pacifica Super rugby team.

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Speaker 2: Now the money went from the government to pacifica Medical

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Speaker 2: Association Group, which is a charity that's commissioned to spend

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Speaker 2: Faro Order funds and from them was given to the

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Speaker 2: rugby team. Kate McNamara is the Herald journalist who helped

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Speaker 2: break the story with us. Now Hi Kate, hi hether.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about about one point five million dollars,

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Speaker 2: maybe up to as much as two point three million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Was that all public money?

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Speaker 10: Certainly one point five was public money. It's not clear.

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Speaker 10: There's another six hundred thousand that came in the year

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty one twenty twenty two. It's not absolutely clear

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Speaker 10: that that was public money. It's probably public money, but

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Speaker 10: I haven't the PMA hasn't confirmed that that came from

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Speaker 10: the fano Ora contract. It came from Pacifica Futures, which

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Speaker 10: is the Pacifica commissioning agency to Puny Corkrey. But and

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Speaker 10: it may be that all of their funding comes from

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Speaker 10: the fano Aura contract, but it may be that there's

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Speaker 10: a small amount of funding from another sport in there.

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Speaker 2: So we know not, we know at least some and

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Speaker 2: it seems like a sizeable chunk is public money. Is

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Speaker 2: it appropriate to use public money that are supposed to

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Speaker 2: be going for far no order projects, which is jabbing babies, healthcare,

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing to a rugby team.

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Speaker 10: Well, so the is it allowed is probably the first

799
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Speaker 10: question you might ask. And it may well be allowed.

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Speaker 10: Now whether or not that's a good idea, you know,

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Speaker 10: if you ask me, do I personally think it's a

802
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Speaker 10: good idea. I think it would be tough to make

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Speaker 10: it stack up. Would exactions in babies, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah so so, but would it be allowed because

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Speaker 2: it would feed into bolstering the culture which is one

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Speaker 2: of the things that Varno order is supposed.

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Speaker 10: To do bingo so strengthening cultural identity. And I mean

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Speaker 10: that's as elastic as you want it to be. Right,

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Speaker 10: you could pay me to go down the pub on

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Speaker 10: swer Patrick's day.

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Speaker 2: Really, yes, I see, I take your point. It's a

812
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Speaker 2: fair point. Now there are three people who sit on

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Speaker 2: both boards, right. They sit on the boat on the

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Speaker 2: Wana PACIFICA board, which is the rugby team that gets

815
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Speaker 2: the money, and they sit on the Pacifica Medical Association

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Speaker 2: Group board, which is the outfit that gives the rugby

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Speaker 2: team the money. Is that not a conflict?

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Speaker 10: They're related parties, so yes, and you know it's it's

819
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Speaker 10: self dealing if you want. And they say, the chair

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Speaker 10: of Pacifica Medical Association tells me that they followed their

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Speaker 10: protocols to mitigate this conflict.

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Speaker 16: And so.

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Speaker 10: The conflicted decision makers weren't involved in essentially okaying the

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Speaker 10: wouldn't have been involved in okaying the fan or funding decision. Now,

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Speaker 10: they weren't that exact. They just set out what they're

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Speaker 10: protocols were and that these would have applied.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and I note that this group has now lost

828
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Speaker 2: the contract. It's been given to somebody else and there

829
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Speaker 2: are much stricter rules. Is that because of this, because

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Speaker 2: of the funding of the rugby team.

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Speaker 10: Yes, I would point out that this contract was renewed

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Speaker 10: for twelve months last year under the current government. So

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Speaker 10: you know, if you want to blame someone, yeah, you

834
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Speaker 10: can probably spread it around a little bit. I do

835
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Speaker 10: think that the current government has been looking at this

836
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Speaker 10: and they've changed a number of things. They've tightened. It

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Speaker 10: took them a while to do it, and in the

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Speaker 10: meantime they rolled the contract over for twelve months. They

839
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Speaker 10: have more measurement requirements of outcomes now in place for

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Speaker 10: the upcoming contract starts July first, and you're not allowed

841
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Speaker 10: to so you, the commissioning agency, are not allowed to

842
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Speaker 10: buy essentially buy your own services. And so that actually

843
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Speaker 10: would be a big.

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Speaker 2: Change right looking at yeah, which might tidy this kind

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Speaker 2: of thing up. Kate, thanks very much appreciated. Kate McNamara,

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Speaker 2: the Herald's senior journist, obviously going to talk to the

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Speaker 2: huddle about this and also listen update on corruption in

848
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Speaker 2: more at one dot mz slash free.

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Speaker 3: Trial Heather duplusy Ellen Heather.

872
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Speaker 2: The easiest money to give away is someone else's quite

873
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: nineteen past five now, as predicted, not everyone loves that

874
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Speaker 2: the government is forcing Auckland Council to allow those fifteen

875
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Speaker 2: story apartment buildings near key train stations in the city.

876
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Speaker 2: Kendall Smith is the chair of the albert Eden Local

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Speaker 2: Board and with us hallo Kendall, Hi, how are you well?

878
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Speaker 2: Thank you? Did it take you by surprise?

879
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Speaker 17: I have to say it was a bit shocking and

880
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 17: a bit confronting, just the level of intenseication. I mean,

881
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 17: we all think that intensification is important, especially around these

882
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 17: transport hubs, and especially around the huge investment they've made

883
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 17: into the city rail link. However, I just think the

884
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 17: intensity it feels a bit blunt and it feels a

885
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 17: bit too quick.

886
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: What's a better way do you think of doing it?

887
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 17: I'll look, I think they should really be going through

888
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 17: the normal planning process so that people a can get

889
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 17: a chance to understand what is actually been proposed and

890
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 17: is going to happen in the area, and that they

891
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 17: get a chance to be heard. I think under this process,

892
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 17: I really get the impression. And I don't know for

893
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 17: a fact, but I think it's going to be very

894
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 17: hard for the community to have a meaningful impact in

895
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 17: being who.

896
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: But Kendall isn't the point of not going through the

897
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: usual planning process that the usual planning process is a

898
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: problem and it doesn't allow anything really to happen.

899
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 17: I'll look, I look. I agree that there is sometimes

900
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 17: red tape for red tape's sake, but if you don't

901
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 17: allow like forcing something onto a community will never get

902
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 17: you great community outcome, won't actually allow you to plan.

903
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 17: It's going to be so imposing in an area that

904
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 17: has this amazing heritage, and all of a sudden it's

905
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 17: going to have fifteen stories high.

906
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: Are you guys going to fight at Kendall, because it

907
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: feels to me like this is very fightable.

908
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

909
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 17: Well, look, I only speak on behalf of myself. I

910
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 17: hadn't spoken to the whole of the local board about this,

911
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 17: and there will be various views on the local board.

912
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Speaker 17: There will be some of my members that absolutely love it.

913
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Speaker 17: They love a good bit of public transport out a

914
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 17: bit of which we all do. But there will be

915
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Speaker 17: some people who will be I live in a heritage area,

916
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 17: a special character area, and that I really value. And

917
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 17: the most of the people who live probably in Mount

918
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 17: Eden and Epsom and Mount Albert and Kingsland, have chosen

919
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 17: those areas because it's a special character and the heritage

920
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 17: that they love about it. And so to be told

921
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 17: overnight that you might have a fifteen story block beside

922
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 17: you is very unpalatable because you see, is a financial

923
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 17: element of it, which these are people's homes, which is

924
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 17: usually people's biggest impigments. But it's their community in their

925
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 17: home that's going to change like drastically to right concident.

926
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Speaker 2: We will have to live with there. I really appreciate it.

927
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time. Thank you very much for

928
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: talking to us through as Kendall Smith, chair of the

929
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 2: Albert Eden Local Board. Heather, what is this woman talking about?

930
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 2: We need more people living in our amazing city. Yeah,

931
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: easy to say when it's not your house with the

932
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: fifteen stories next door, five two.

933
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive

934
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected.

935
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: News dogs'd been Heather, Wake up, we need to build up. Sorry,

936
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: your multimillion dollar house is now worthless money. Boohoo. Thank

937
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: you Dave for your compassion and understanding to the people

938
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 2: of Mount Eden five twenty five. Now, hey, listen. Next

939
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: time someone suggests setting up a new government agency for

940
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: anything anything on earth, next time goes, I know what

941
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: we need. We need a new government agency. Please remind

942
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 2: me about the case of the Infrastructure Commission, and I

943
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: will remember why. We never need to set up one

944
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: more government agency for anything at all. We have got,

945
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: as we know, an infrastructure problem. We know that we

946
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: do right. We look around. Our roads are pothold, we

947
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: don't have fast public transport. We keep talking about but

948
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: never building another harbor crossing for Auckland. We plan a

949
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: new hospital for Dunedin, and then we scrap those plans,

950
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: and on and on it goes. So what we did

951
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen to solve this intractable problem is to

952
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: set up the Infrastructure Commission. That quango costs US thirteen

953
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: million dollars a year. Yesterday delivered its first verdict. It

954
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: was a draft report. Couldn't even do a final report.

955
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: Did a draft report? One hundred and sixty four pages

956
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: that draft report? Have you read it? No, me, neither.

957
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: It's going to be filed in that giant Internet file

958
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: that's out there somewhere, which is full of millions of

959
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: public reports that are meant to be read by someone

960
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: in government. Brackets unclear if it ever is. There are

961
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: seventeen recommendations for infrastructure to be invested in going to

962
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: tell you about it. It's like military bases, building some

963
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: more prisons, expanding broadband like all of it is just obvious, right.

964
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: Nothing in this report. I've seen his rocket science. Nothing

965
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: is a shock. All of this could have been discovered

966
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: by I don't know, let's say the infrastructure minister having

967
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: some meetings, calling in the engineers in the country, the

968
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: developers in the country, the planning experts, the construction companies,

969
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: any number of experts that we have in this country,

970
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: any number of people who are living this stuff and

971
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: explain to us what to do. Infrastructure minister could have

972
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: called them and said, give me your best studies, put

973
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: them together. Seventeen recommendations. There you go. You didn't need

974
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty four page to tell us nothing

975
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: new and we didn't need a thirteen million dollar a

976
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: year quango to write a report no.

977
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: One will read, ever do for Cee Allen.

978
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 2: The White House has joined the buzz about Donald Trump

979
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: being daddy. It's posted a video and social media showing

980
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: him arriving and interacting with other world leaders and so on,

981
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: set to this tune. No, no dad, Yeah, sod you

982
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 2: wing up? Take Hey, Hey, hey daddy, that's right, usher,

983
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: Hey daddy brackets Daddy's home. So thank you Markret of

984
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: NATO for that. We will not sleep tonight. Headline snakes already, no.

985
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 3: Gol tonight.

986
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: We're gonna do a lot of sex.

987
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

988
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 3: drive home.

989
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

990
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

991
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: That'd be.

992
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 8: Right.

993
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: The Huddle is standing by. Also, after six o'clock, we're

994
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: going to talk to the union about working to rule

995
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: and whether you should be doc paid for it. We'll

996
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: get to that shortly. Hither I thought you were going

997
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: to be speaking with Eric Stanford. No, no, no, I

998
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be speaking with Erica Stanford going to

999
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: be speaking about Erica Stanford. I have you are right though,

1000
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: to point this out, I have given Erica's pressman until

1001
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: five o'clock to come back with the final two bits

1002
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: of information that are required to be able to tell

1003
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 2: you what happened. It is now five point thirty six.

1004
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: He has not come back to me. I've emailed him.

1005
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: I said, how are you going with this? Mate? Nothing?

1006
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: So I think we have the go ahead, don't we

1007
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: to just go on and have a chat about it ourselves.

1008
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: So we will be doing that before six o'clock. So

1009
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: if you are interested in what is going on with

1010
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: Eric Stanford putting this Ta kung Amhudi stuff into law

1011
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: for school boards, stand by. I'll explain it to you

1012
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: before six o'clock. Right now, as I say, twenty four

1013
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 2: away from six.

1014
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: Now ever, do for Cee Ellen.

1015
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: There will be no rugby and the Carpety and Horde

1016
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: Fenua regions this weekend because the local rugby union has

1017
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: canceled all club games all school games after another case

1018
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: of referee abuse. The game was between Carpety College and

1019
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 2: Marna College. The union said the ref was so seriously

1020
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: abused he had to be escorted to his car. Mike

1021
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: Hester is the participation development manager at New Zealand Rugby. Hey, Mike, Hi,

1022
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: what happened was this between the re and the coach

1023
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: of one of the teams.

1024
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 18: The details depend on who you talk to, but the

1025
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 18: reality was there was some views from spectators that we're

1026
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 18: really at the heart of it, and so that's what

1027
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 18: led to some of the issues with the game having

1028
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 18: to be called off.

1029
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: So did so the spectator started piping up and did

1030
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: they then wind up one of the coaches?

1031
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1032
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 18: So the reality is, I mean a lot of these

1033
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 18: things can can happen on the sideline with with with

1034
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 18: chat from spectators to coaches and the like. So probably

1035
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 18: the details of it, again it depends on who you

1036
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 18: talk to and the reports, but certainly it was sufficient

1037
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 18: enough that referee had to make a decision around the

1038
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 18: game and then be supported to be able to lease.

1039
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: And was it the coach of the Monna team, which

1040
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: is the team that lost.

1041
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 18: Again, probably not looking to get into specific Come.

1042
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: On, this is what is out there. It's already out there.

1043
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: So either either you're going to let somebody continue to

1044
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: be falsely accused or we're going to clear it up.

1045
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 18: Uh, probably don't have the information to be really accurate,

1046
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 18: and we don't want to start sort of causing suggestions

1047
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 18: about who did what.

1048
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: Did the ref push or punch the coach? Not to

1049
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: my knowledge, no, neither of them.

1050
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 18: Not not to my knowledge, and the ref again not

1051
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 18: not to my knowledge. And there will be an investigation

1052
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 18: that will work through all of those issues to get

1053
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 18: to the bottom of all of it.

1054
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: And was this because the ref because the crowd felt

1055
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: that the whistle had been delayed, allowing the opposing team

1056
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: to score another try and thus win the game?

1057
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 18: Again, it depends on on the reports that you you

1058
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 18: you listen to. But again, these things will be worked through.

1059
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 5: But the real tell you what I don't know.

1060
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't get you guys, I didn't get

1061
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: you on to have a fight with you, So I apologize.

1062
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: But why are you being weird and shady about this?

1063
00:51:59,080 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: Why not just tell us what?

1064
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: Gold Well?

1065
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 18: The reality is that we don't exactly know what happened

1066
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 18: because there's a process that will be followed through to

1067
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 18: get to the bottom of it.

1068
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: One this happen at the weekend? Or am I imagining.

1069
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 18: That No, no, did it happen at the weekend.

1070
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: So you're telling me on Thursday you don't know what

1071
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 2: happened at the weekend.

1072
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 18: Well, these are local matters that HKA has worked through

1073
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 18: to evaluate.

1074
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 2: What can I tell you something. There are some people

1075
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: who have spoken to are pretty annoyed at in New

1076
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 2: Zealand Rod because they reckon you guys just don't care

1077
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: about the stuff enough. And it's sounding of it like that.

1078
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 18: Ah, it's quite the contrary. The reality is that these

1079
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 18: sort of behaviors are just totally unacceptable. And we know

1080
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 18: that we have sort of around seven thousand games that

1081
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 18: are run every weekend and a lot of people role

1082
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 18: model really good behavior both as spectators, coaches, managers and

1083
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 18: officials try to do their job, so there will be

1084
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 18: these instances where unfortunately people get carried away and go

1085
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 18: below the line. When these things happen, we need to

1086
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Speaker 18: work through, you know, what are the facts, get to

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00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 18: the bottom of that, run their appropriate investigations and let

1088
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 18: it run its course. What we're really pleased to see

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00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 18: is that whilst it's disappointing to see that they go

1090
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Speaker 18: to these steps, is that the union has it acted

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Speaker 18: to back up their officials and also what good behavior

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00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 18: looks like, so these are things that are really important.

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Speaker 2: Now, okay, Mike, I appreciate your time. I really appreciate

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00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: you coming on mate. That's Mike Hester, Participation Development manager

1095
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: at New Zealand Rugby the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you all

1097
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: one of the kind.

1098
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: Twenty away from sex and with us on the huddle

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Speaker 2: we have Morris Williams and Auckland councilor former National Party

1100
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: Cabinet minister and also Craig Rinny see to you economists,

1101
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: hire you.

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00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 13: Too, good evening, he love Craig.

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Speaker 2: Do either of you guys do referring? Do you do

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00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: you do any referrering?

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00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: Morris?

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00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 13: I'm too old to run around the field.

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00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 2: Now what about you, Craig?

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00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 19: No, absolutely, I can't think of anything worse to be Frank.

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00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: No, because I mean why would you when you hear

1110
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: that this the kind of stuff you have to put

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00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: up with?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, it sounds as if you know, some people have

1113
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 19: just really sort of you know, lost their names.

1114
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: A little bit.

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Speaker 19: People shouldn't be put in situations where they're you know,

1116
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 19: probably volunteering for their sort of role than having to

1117
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 19: cop that sort of abuse. I think it's you know,

1118
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 19: it's something we should probably be sensible, you know, just

1119
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 19: calm down a little bit.

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Speaker 13: That was a pretty unsatisfactory interview. You just still go

1121
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 13: for goodness.

1122
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: Sake, you are unsatisfied with me or him?

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00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 13: No, no, with them, I mean, for certain sake, they

1124
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 13: should have been onto this, you know, within Monday, they

1125
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 13: should have had themselves sorted, had some interviews done, some things,

1126
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 13: ready to go, press, ready to go by winds. So

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00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 13: you get a Thursday night and his answer was, well,

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Speaker 13: we still don't know, not sure, haven't looked at that.

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00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 13: I can't really cover that. Don't want us get into that.

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Speaker 13: I mean, that is just appalling.

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00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: I know I'm sounding a little bit tired of this

1132
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: kind of thing, but anyway, what can you do other

1133
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: than just kind of be angry at it?

1134
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 3: Now?

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00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: What do you Morris? While you're all hit up, what

1136
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 2: do you make of the revelation that FARO order funding

1137
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 2: has been used to prop up a super rugby team?

1138
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 13: So my gast was flabbored or I just couldn't believe.

1139
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 13: I mean that money for health and for well being

1140
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 13: is so short, and there's always huge demands. The demand

1141
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 13: is always greater than supply and to find that money

1142
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 13: that should have been focused on how do we get

1143
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 13: better health outcomes for you know, the kids down at

1144
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 13: the level of grassroots and make them better and healthier

1145
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 13: people was going to a professional rugby team. That is

1146
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 13: just I mean, I don't know how ministers could allow

1147
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 13: departments who are supposed to be monitoring how that money

1148
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 13: has been spent and know exactly what they're getting back

1149
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 13: for it, for that to actually be allowed to happen

1150
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 13: is just outrageous.

1151
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they must have known, mustn't they Craigan,

1152
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: then they waved it through for another year. By the

1153
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: sounds of.

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00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 19: Things, Well, you would hope that they would have known,

1155
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 19: you know, you hope your ministe that would be on

1156
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 19: top of the majority of the penman's, particularly one that

1157
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 19: at first glance looks as potentially controversial as this. You know,

1158
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 19: I think there'd be one of the one of the

1159
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 19: few occasions Morris and I might be in complete agreement.

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Speaker 19: I find it extremely strange unless there's some other reason

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Speaker 19: why this is the case, whether it's being used for promotion,

1162
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 19: to support education.

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00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 2: So what it is that there's a bunch of pillars

1164
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: to find out order funding and one of them health education, housing,

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00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: all the stuff that you would expect, but one of

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00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: them is also cultural enrichment, right, and it feels like

1167
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: possibly these guys have funded the PACIFICA team for cultural

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00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 2: enrichment for PACIFICA people. Does that wash with you?

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00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 19: I don't think if you're I can see how you

1170
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 19: make fund grassroots rugby, I can see how you might

1171
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 19: fund a community rugby, but to fund professional rugby in

1172
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 19: that space seems to me to would normally feel any

1173
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 19: kind of normal cost benefit analysis that you would normally

1174
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Speaker 19: put forward in this.

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Speaker 13: Space and here that whenever these things arise, the very

1176
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 13: first thing that shoots my mind or we've got this

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00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 13: and it's exposed and it's an outrage. It's going to

1178
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 13: be dealt to in facts and the Pacific Medical as

1179
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 13: they've lost the contractor cause my first question always arise

1180
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 13: in my brain is and how many others are there

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 13: of these?

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00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 5: Well?

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00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: Exactly, and that is the worrying thing, isn't it? And

1184
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: we've had texts along these lines, Morris, this does the

1185
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: minute that something like this comes out, people go, oh,

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00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: there'll be heaps more of this And it's such a

1187
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: nock to public confidence.

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00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 13: Isn't it correct?

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00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's a real pity. All right, will

1190
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: take a break, come back to you guys, shorties shortly

1191
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: as sixteen away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary results

1193
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: with unparallel reach.

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00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: Right, you're back on the huddle with Marris Williamson and

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00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: Craig Rennie. Now, Morris, how much how much support do

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00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: you think there are in the affected areas for fifteen

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00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: story buildings in Auckland.

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Look, I would imagine there'd be a level of grumpiness

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00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 13: in the very specific affected areas, But if you look

1201
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Speaker 13: at it in the entire entirety of the old proposal,

1202
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 13: it makes really good sense. What we had is the

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00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 13: stupid thing that both political parties agreed to. And let

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00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 13: me tell you, if they're ever going to have sort

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00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 13: of bipartis an agreement, we need to get something a

1206
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 13: bit better than the medium densities stuff for Auckland. We

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00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 13: were building junkie pieces of things right in between nice

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00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 13: houses that people have paid a fortune for and had

1209
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 13: a right to believe they could retain their value, and

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00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 13: they were not even on bus routes and there's been

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Speaker 13: stuff all over the place. So what's been happening And

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00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 13: the council has been pleading for it, and the government's

1213
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 13: come through and said, look, the best way you can

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 13: get intensification is down the rail corridors, down the major

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00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 13: bus routes, and there we should be prepared to go

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00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 13: up and build lots and lots of places where you

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00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,479
Speaker 13: can walk out of your apartment walk one hundred meters

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Speaker 13: or two undre meters steps.

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Speaker 2: On the fifteen stories because that's bloody high man. Would

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00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: you would you start? Is it your opening? Gam But

1221
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: can we negotiate you?

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Speaker 13: The government have said and that specific thing, haven't They

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00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 13: said a minimum of fifteen within the central city and

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00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 13: we've got plenty of buildings in the city that are

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00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 13: fifteen and more. Stories.

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Speaker 2: Now city is a high thing. I mean, if you've

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00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: got a villa and then you were fifteen stories next

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Speaker 2: to it, that salon.

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Speaker 13: Well, it'll only be on the rail. They've named heaven Day,

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00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 13: Kingsland and Mountain and Railway Station. Look, what I think

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00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 13: is that the vast bulk of destruction of wealth of

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00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 13: normal properties that was going on with the MDRS was

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00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 13: insanity and I think that if you're going to try

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00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 13: to get people into public transport, you need to have

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00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 13: them living as close to the major corridors and down

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Speaker 13: that rail lines. They're putting five billion or more into

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Speaker 13: the CRL. If you're going to do that, you need

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00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 13: to get back an investment. I think it's a great idea.

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00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 13: I think the government's been great to do it, and

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Speaker 13: I'm pretty sure most of the councilors that we were

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 13: being briefed on all this yesterday are pretty strongly in

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Speaker 13: support of it as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Craig, what do you think of this?

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Speaker 19: Well, I think we've metally, not just not just this,

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00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 19: Successive governments have made really significant investments in these transport corridors.

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 19: You know, not putting high density hasing and not allowing

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01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 19: high density housing next to them would seem to really

1248
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 19: miss an opportunity created by that investment. What worries me

1249
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 19: is that it's not so much the housing. It's making

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01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 19: sure that those new residents who are living in that

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01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 19: you know, very high density properties have access to the

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01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 19: amenities that mean that we're not just building future ghettos

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01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 19: and so making sure that they've got access to to

1254
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 19: retail to GPS to other public services. Because we can

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01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 19: build lots of housing, we need to be actually building

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Speaker 19: communities and.

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Speaker 20: What we we're on tune on everything, and what I

1258
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 20: wouldn't want to see is us building huge numbers of

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Speaker 20: new skyscrapers and various places or even just very tall buildings.

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Speaker 2: And this is why I hate bipartisanship because both of you,

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Speaker 2: I disagree with both of you on thet Now nobody

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01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: represents me.

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01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 19: I think one of the things we also want to

1265
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 19: make sure is that you know, we're building housing for

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01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 19: everyone's needs in the city. And one of the problems

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01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 19: that we know in Auckland, the city have more than

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01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 19: a million people, there's a real shortage of one and

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 19: two bedroom units in Auckland, and we need to be

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01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 19: building lots more of those for the communities that are

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01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 19: going to be in Auckland in the future. And this

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01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 19: is this is a means of doing that. But it's

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01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 19: to me, it's much more about building the amenities alongside

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01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 19: of it, the schools, you know, the GP practices, the retail,

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01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 19: so that we're building really long term communities, not just

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01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 19: some shorts and housing.

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01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 13: But if you look around Auckland, if you look closely

1278
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 13: all around some of the rail corridors, and you know

1279
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 13: down through the South corridor and down the Eastern corridor

1280
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Speaker 13: and even on the western one, there are sort of

1281
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 13: big lines of car yards and there are big lines

1282
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 13: of industry and so on that literally could easily be

1283
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 13: located elsewhere and you could use that land that is

1284
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 13: within walkable distance, because that's the key where people no

1285
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 13: longer need to use a car, because you cannot keep

1286
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 13: putting more cars on Auckland's roads. They're already jammed, locked,

1287
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 13: blocked and stopped. So you've got to find a way

1288
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 13: of people finding public transport as more viable.

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01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 19: And can it can add to that Morris that I

1290
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 19: think it's not just an Auckland problem. We have the

1291
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 19: same problem. I s Sathier and Wellington and we'll have

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01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 19: you know on on Cambridge Terrace we have a whole

1293
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 19: heap of caryards within walking distance of the CBD.

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01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: Would you would you like me to hook you up

1295
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: with each others you're going out for dinner late, it's

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01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: the rate you'll go and no, off you go. The

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01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: pair of you can have that conversation in private, Thanks

1298
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: very much. It's Morris Williams and Craig Rennie the huddle

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01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: next time somebody says that we need political consensus, No,

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Speaker 2: you don't. That's what that looks like. Eight away from.

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Speaker 1: Six, it's the Heather duper se Allen Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Heather, be consistent. You can't be in favor of expanding

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Speaker 2: concerts at Eden Park and not in favor of rational

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Speaker 2: building in a major city. Both change the character of

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Speaker 2: the area and decent, decent density housing is way bet

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Speaker 2: if Auckland Ellen, that's a fair point, But this is

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Speaker 2: what i'd say. Do you think that more concerts at

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Speaker 2: Eden Park drop the value of Helen Clark's house?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Do you think if somebody stuck a fifteen story building

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Speaker 2: next to Helen Clark's house it would drop the value

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Speaker 2: of Halling Clark's house. Yes, there's your problem, and the

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Speaker 2: house is the biggest investment that you've got. Okay, it's

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Speaker 2: five to six, so we're going to I've heard back

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Speaker 2: from Erica's press secretary. To his credit, he's managed to

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Speaker 2: answer the questions. I've got what I think is a

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Speaker 2: reasonably complete picture. Hair, So as much as I could possibly.

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Speaker 2: I heard Mike talking about this business with Erica and

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Speaker 2: the Ta Kunger clause and the election law, and like Mike,

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Speaker 2: have been getting a lot of emails about it, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to raise questions about this. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to tell you what I know based on what

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Speaker 2: I've asked around today. So this relates to the Education

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Speaker 2: and Training Amendment Bill number two, which the government is

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Speaker 2: changing in order to try to force school boards to

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Speaker 2: make educational achievement their priority. Right, don't get strack up

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Speaker 2: all the other stuff. Educational achievement is the most important thing.

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Speaker 2: Hobson's pledge has started stirring people up because they have

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Speaker 2: spotted the treaty clause. They say the treaty clause forces

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Speaker 2: every school board in the country to reflect quote local

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Speaker 2: Ta kung A Mahori matadung A Maori and their ol

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Speaker 2: Mahori and their policies, plans and classroom tea. Now, from

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Speaker 2: what I understand, yes, there is a treaty clause, but no,

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Speaker 2: the treaty clause is not knew the treaty clause was

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Speaker 2: always there. The problem is Erica knows the treaty clause

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Speaker 2: is there, and Erica doesn't want to take the Treaty

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Speaker 2: Clause US out. She has been asked to take the

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Speaker 2: treaty clause out, it's part of the coalition government. She

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Speaker 2: has said no, and that's why it's still there now.

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Speaker 2: That will be very disappointing to a lot of voters

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Speaker 2: of the coalition government because you will remember that they

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Speaker 2: promised to take these treaty clauses out. It was part

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Speaker 2: of the New Zealand First Negotiation, a New Zealand First

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Speaker 2: coalition agreement with National They said, quote, review all references

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Speaker 2: to the Treaty of Whiteitungy principles in legislation and remove

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Speaker 2: or replace them. So if you're busy rewriting this right now,

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Speaker 2: why don't you just get rid of the treaty clause

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Speaker 2: right instead. What they're doing, as they're kicking the can

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Speaker 2: down the road, it's going to a review that's being

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Speaker 2: led by Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith. He's going to review

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Speaker 2: it and he's going to decide what to do. So

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Speaker 2: Erica is not guilty of putting it in there. Erica

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Speaker 2: is guilty of not taking it out. And I think

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Speaker 2: that is just as bad because it is yet another

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Speaker 2: case of this government having said they're going to do

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Speaker 2: one thing, and then they're court going, oh, oh oh,

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Speaker 2: you busted us. No, we did say we know, and

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Speaker 2: then we didn't do you know. I mean that's what

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Speaker 2: they're doing. They're like, they're hoping that you don't notice

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Speaker 2: that they're not doing the thing, except we are noticing

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Speaker 2: they're not doing the thing. Erica, by the way, is

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Speaker 2: on do we know what time with Mike to morrow? Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Eric's on with Mike tomorrow, So if you care about

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Speaker 2: this issue, tune in, because you know he cares about

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Speaker 2: it and he's gonna have a little chatter about it.

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Speaker 2: Fluffertzeimer is a the PSA. Next on the employment changes

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Speaker 2: that have just been made to law newstag zip.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The Business

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Speaker 1: hour with Hit the duplicyld Players, Insurance and Investments, Grow

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Speaker 1: Your Wealth, Protect Your Future.

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Speaker 3: News talks that be.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour. What is

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Speaker 2: going wrong for Nike. We'll have a chat to Sam

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Speaker 2: Dicky about that. Jamie McKay on the shock news that

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Speaker 2: Federated Farmers has dumped the chair of the wool and

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Speaker 2: Meat Group, and also Endebrady is with us out of

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Speaker 2: the UK at seven past six. Now workers taking part

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Speaker 2: impartial strikes could soon have their pay docked. Legislation passed

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Speaker 2: in Parliament last night. Now, the law was changed by

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Speaker 2: the previous government in twenty eighteen that stopped the docking

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Speaker 2: of the pay. Now it's been reversed. In recent years.

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Speaker 2: We've seen the teachers and the train drivers and the

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Speaker 2: end ZDF stuff all engage in partial strikes. Flurfit Simons

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Speaker 2: is the PSA's national secretary and with us now, hey.

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Speaker 4: Flur good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what is the docking of the pay ten percent?

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Speaker 4: Yes, so there is the opportunity now for employers to

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Speaker 4: dock pay for up to ten percent for workers who

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Speaker 4: take partial strike action. So that's quite low level strike action,

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Speaker 4: usually at the beginning of a dispute, in an effort

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Speaker 4: to try and make the employer understand that are serious

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Speaker 4: and that they would like to settle the issue.

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Speaker 2: Is it partial strike or does that is it just

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Speaker 2: partial strikes or is it also working to rule?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's still to be decided and that there is

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Speaker 4: a lot of legal action that will result. Is part

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Speaker 4: of this new legislation that's come in. We certainly think

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Speaker 4: that workers shouldn't have their paydoct when they're simply working

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Speaker 4: to roll or taking their breaks at the same time.

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Speaker 4: But whether the employers do that, and whether the courts

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Speaker 4: uphold it will something will be something to be seen.

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Speaker 2: Ah Okay, So it's clear that partial strikes are affected,

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Speaker 2: but it is possible that working to rule is not affected.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the argument that we're making. I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: the government has the same position.

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Speaker 2: But do you believe the government wants to dock the pay,

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Speaker 2: wants to allow employers to dock the pay of people

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Speaker 2: who are working to rule?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that is their intention. And actually all

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Speaker 4: of this is about undermining the power that workers have

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Speaker 4: to advance their interests and see better wages and conditions.

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Speaker 4: And we already have quite a ma power and balance

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Speaker 4: in this country between workers and employers, and employers have

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Speaker 4: lots of tools available to them to impose conditions which

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Speaker 4: are not fair, and that's why we have a problem

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Speaker 4: with low wages in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: The reason I keep asking about the working to rule

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Speaker 2: is because that would be very unfair. I mean, my

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Speaker 2: understanding of working to rule you know more than me,

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Speaker 2: But it's basically just turning up and doing the job

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Speaker 2: as per your contract. Right, so you would only be

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Speaker 2: doing what you are supposed to do for your full pay,

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Speaker 2: isn't that right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly right. And we know that so many

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Speaker 4: New Zealand workers put in extra time, longer hours than

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Speaker 4: they're paid for. And at the moment, if you do

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Speaker 4: decide collectively to work to rule, that is a form

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Speaker 4: of strike action, and you do have to run a

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Speaker 4: secret ballot for it, and it can be very disruptive

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Speaker 4: because employers rely on it. The government thinks that this

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Speaker 4: law gives them the right to deduct for that will

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Speaker 4: be contesting that in the courts, I imagine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Now, is there any indication that there have

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Speaker 2: been more strikes as a result of employers being unable

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Speaker 2: to doc pay in the last few years?

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Speaker 4: No, there heaven. And actually it's worth remembering that the

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Speaker 4: vast majority of collective agreements in New Zealand are settled

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Speaker 4: without their being any industrial action, and workers and unions,

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Speaker 4: employers sit down and they negotiate every day and come

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Speaker 4: to agreements, and no worker takes a decision to take

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Speaker 4: strike action.

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Speaker 16: Lightly.

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Speaker 4: It's a very serious, considered decision, and really what we

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Speaker 4: think this will do is probably lead to more full

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Speaker 4: stoppages because the ability to take partial strike action at

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Speaker 4: that low level is significantly reduced.

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Speaker 2: Now I see, flur Thank you very much, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: It's Flurford Sigmons PSA National Secretary.

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Speaker 3: Ever duplesl whether you are.

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Speaker 2: Wrong on the Education Amendment Bill number two, the Maori

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Speaker 2: learning requirement has been added and it is compulsory as

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Speaker 2: currently written. Hither the Education Amendment Bill number two treaty

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Speaker 2: clauses are dramatically more prescriptive than those that they replace. Matthew,

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Speaker 2: thank you. I can be wrong. I just told you

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Speaker 2: what the best that I know best best to my

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Speaker 2: knowledge what is happening. But you know what, I don't

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Speaker 2: know everything. So we'll see how this one plays out.

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Speaker 2: Eric is on with Mike tomorrow. Have a listen. Now,

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Speaker 2: do you remember a couple of weeks ago there was

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Speaker 2: that a report rather that warned that New Zealand is

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Speaker 2: becoming more corrupt and that the biggest risk that we

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Speaker 2: face as a country is basically insider threats. So it's

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Speaker 2: things like cops being corrupted, officials being corrupted, border staff blah,

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Speaker 2: blah blah. You know, you get the picture. Police have

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Speaker 2: just busted, as if to prove the point, Police have

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Speaker 2: just busted a twenty four million dollar smuggling operation. They

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Speaker 2: rated nearly two dozen properties across Auckland. They hauled in

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Speaker 2: sixty four cages of methamphetamine, three point five four cages

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Speaker 2: of coke, huge amount of cash, sawn off, shotgun, and

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Speaker 2: they arrested eighteen people. Nine of those people were baggage

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Speaker 2: handlers and one was another staff member working at Auckland Airport.

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Speaker 2: Twelve past six, It's the.

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Speaker 2: can I hear that what's happened to Toby Williams, Well.

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Speaker 21: He's been kicked to touch, he's been gassed, whatever way

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Speaker 21: you want to talk about it. It's farmer politics here

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Speaker 21: that can be a bit of a brutal business. As

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Speaker 21: you know, I've spent the past couple of days or

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Speaker 21: Tuesday and Wednesday at the Primary Industry Summit put on

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Speaker 21: by Federated Farmers. And of course you spoke to me

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Speaker 21: just on the eve of the Primary Industry Awards. We

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Speaker 21: might get to that later, but yeare Toby Williams, and

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Speaker 21: I know you've spoken to him on your show, Meet

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Speaker 21: and woolchair for Federated Farmers. He's been dumped, no other

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Speaker 21: word for it, outvoted and incomes Marlborough Provincial Vice president

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Speaker 21: Richard Dawkins, a young bloke. I met him yesterday in

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Speaker 21: christ Church. Now, Toby's been chairing the group since I

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Speaker 21: think late just off the top of my head, late

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Speaker 21: November or late twenty twenty two. They normally get to

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Speaker 21: serve a minimum of three years and the rollers chair,

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Speaker 21: so he's been challenged he's gone. Remembering this is the

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Speaker 21: guy that front of the Save our Sheep campaign. He's

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Speaker 21: been right at the forefront of leading the charge against

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Speaker 21: carbon farming and I think he's done a really good

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Speaker 21: job on that front. But someone in Federated Farmers isn't

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Speaker 21: happy with them. Politics rules. He's gone. The other change

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Speaker 21: is the dairy chair. Of course, we had Richard McIntyre

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Speaker 21: stepping aside there North Canterbury Provincial president Carl Dean is

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Speaker 21: the new National Dairy chair after the Waikato The other challenger,

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Speaker 21: Waikato President Phil Sherwood, withdrew his nomination at.

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Speaker 13: The last minute.

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Speaker 21: You know, the mind biggles in the entrigue continues here

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Speaker 21: with the Southern sudden. WI should do a soap opera

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Speaker 21: on this sudden resignation the housewives of Federated Farmers.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 21: Look, the sudden resignation of long serving farmers Federated Farmer's

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Speaker 21: chief executive Terry Copeland. As we were heading to that

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01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 21: conference on Monday, we got word that he's resigned and

1514
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 21: he's stepping down from his role this Friday, ie tomorrow. Wow,

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 21: that's not really normal practice. I don't know what the

1516
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,799
Speaker 21: hell's going on there, but we'll give him the benefit

1517
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,799
Speaker 21: of the doubt. He's done some good things at Federated Farmers.

1518
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 21: He's the guy who came up with the idea of

1519
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 21: this industry summit and the primary industry awards, the Rural Oscars.

1520
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 21: If you want so, he's gone. And in the meantime,

1521
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 21: in another strange move, if you ask me, FEDS might

1522
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 21: black blackball me here and maybe not talk to me

1523
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 21: for speaking out of turn here, but they've chucked in

1524
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 21: Wayne Langford, the affable president of Federated Farmers, to act

1525
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 21: as the acting chief executive. So trouble at Mill.

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01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like is this some sort of a

1527
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 2: clear out going on here or something like that?

1528
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 5: Well, I honestly don't know.

1529
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean, do we connect some dots here?

1530
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 5: I'm not sure.

1531
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 21: Maybe we're two and two equals five on this one here.

1532
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 21: But look, this is not new. Farmer politics has always

1533
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 21: been a bit of a brutal game. And you know,

1534
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 21: these guys are giving of their time. Guys and girls

1535
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 21: are giving of their time, and I think, I think,

1536
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 21: just like politicians, there's some ambitious people in there.

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01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, a farmer's got an idea, a

1538
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 2: and they're pretty used to having an idea and executing it.

1539
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 2: And so if they see that something's wrong, I imagine

1540
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: they just want to fix it up, and therefore it

1541
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 2: moves quickly and I like that. Now, how did you

1542
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: go with those primary industry awards? Did you hand out

1543
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 2: gongs to everybody and then hit the beers afterwards?

1544
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 21: Well, I ended up getting stuck in a bar at

1545
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 21: one am with the EU Ambassador.

1546
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,560
Speaker 5: To New Zealand, Lawrence Meredith. What a good blow key is.

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01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 21: I hope he's not listening for me outing him, but

1548
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 21: I was them saying, so I didn't have to be

1549
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 21: at about eleven o'clock. You know what it's like, you

1550
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 21: need to unwind, can't go straight to bed. So now look,

1551
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 21: it was a really good evening just running through. Perhaps

1552
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 21: there was eight awards up. I want to single out

1553
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 21: four of them. The late Chris Allen, posthumously named rural hero,

1554
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 21: killed in a tragic farm accident last year. A very

1555
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 21: will mark this name down. Her name is Brady the Bickus.

1556
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 21: She won the Emerging Leader Award. She's being talked about

1557
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 21: already as a future leader of Federated Farmers, perhaps following

1558
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 21: in the footsteps of the first President, Katie Milne. The

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 21: Lifetime Achievement Award or Outstanding Contributions should I say award

1560
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 21: went to an old maide of mine, Eric Roy. I

1561
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 21: know that Barry in particular, will know him very well.

1562
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 21: Served six terms as an MP, great bloke, sold of

1563
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 21: the earth bloke, and I want to mention doctor Robin Dines,

1564
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 21: another great Southlander. She won the primary Industries Champion.

1565
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 2: Award, fantastic and please you had a great time, and

1566
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 2: please you got a bear at the end of it.

1567
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 2: Jamie Jamie McKay, Host of the Country. Here that your

1568
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 2: opening statement yesterday read the leaked documents about the damage

1569
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: to Iran's nuclear facilities has pretty much been hit for

1570
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: six today. You should have fact checked at first, I think, Terry,

1571
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 2: thank you, Terry. Would you have how we're going to

1572
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 2: fly into Iran and just rock up there and have

1573
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 2: a look at how much damage was caused? Literally, no

1574
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 2: one can fact check it, which is why, which is

1575
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 2: why there is conflicting, conflicting versions of events, and it

1576
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 2: remains thus it is still conflicting. The head So the

1577
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 2: leaked report that came out said that the Iran nuclear

1578
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: program had only been pushed back a few months, right,

1579
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: The head of the CIA has since come out and said, actually,

1580
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: the Iran nuclear program has been probably set back by years.

1581
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 2: The US strikes did severely damage Iran's nuclear facilities. Donald

1582
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 2: Trump himself, I mean, he went big on it, right,

1583
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 2: He said it had been completely obliterated and blah blah blah.

1584
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 2: Now obliterated is different to severely damaged is different. To

1585
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 2: just damaged. So Donald Trump, who said there was abliteration

1586
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 2: himself wavered for a minute today he said the intelligence

1587
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 2: was very inconclusive, and then he changed his mind and

1588
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 2: then went back to saying, no, it was severe. It

1589
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 2: was total obliteration. Then, as if to kind of goodness me,

1590
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: as if to kind of double down, I suppose you

1591
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 2: could say, he called for the firing of the CNN

1592
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 2: correspondent who had originally reported on the leaked document. So

1593
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 2: all things have ended up. We've gone full circle and

1594
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 2: we're back to where we were before, which is the

1595
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: leak document is nonsense. People should be fired and it

1596
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 2: was complete obliteration six twenty one.

1597
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

1598
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: the business hour where the head of Duplicllen and theirs

1599
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future newstalks

1600
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: d be hither.

1601
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 2: The issue with the school Tea Kunger issue is is

1602
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 2: that that section was put into law by an activist Dardurn. Labor.

1603
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 2: Government and National said they would take that stuff out,

1604
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 2: and so did Act and New Zealand. First, Sarah make

1605
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 2: a very good point. This is where it's all about

1606
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 2: disappointment for people, isn't it now, I've got a twenty

1607
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 2: four past six. By the way, is the time. Got

1608
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 2: a bit of show biz news for you, No settle down.

1609
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: We don't know who the Bond is yet, but we

1610
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 2: do know who the director of Bonders. It's Denny the Nerve,

1611
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 2: the Nerve, Denny the Nerve week on the French has

1612
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 2: got the job. He calls himself a die hard Bond fan,

1613
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 2: which is a good starting point, he said to me.

1614
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: Bonds Sacred Territory gave an interview a couple of years ago.

1615
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 2: Is asked about what you know, would he one day

1616
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: perhaps consider directing a Bond film, and this is what

1617
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: he said.

1618
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 1: The The answer would be a massive yes.

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01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 18: It's a character that.

1620
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 9: I've been with like everybody, like since my childhood and

1621
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 9: it's like I am like massive affection for Bond.

1622
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 2: Now so far, so good, okay, because the guy is

1623
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: into it. The boss of Amazon MGM Studios, Mike Hopkins,

1624
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 2: said that Denny is a situ which you call him

1625
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: bosing name Dennis. Dennis is a cinematic master. James Bond

1626
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 2: is in the hand. Well, I'm speaking English and his

1627
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 2: name is written den I s He is now called Dennis,

1628
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 2: So Dennis Dennis. Dennis is a cinematic master. James Bond

1629
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: is in the hands of one of today's greatest filmmakers,

1630
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 2: and we cannot wait to get started on Double O

1631
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 2: seven's next adventure. Now. The reason that ANTS is saying

1632
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 2: nobody calls him Dennis is because you know who he is,

1633
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 2: don't you answer?

1634
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 22: It's anything nerve as a genius. I'm actually going to

1635
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 22: see this movie just because of this.

1636
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 2: Okay, because he did.

1637
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 22: He did Sacario, which is amazing. He did Arrival, which

1638
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 22: was quite good. He did Alsand which is so good.

1639
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 22: Everyone will know him for the Blade Runner sequel, Blade

1640
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 22: Runner twenty forty nine, and the two Dune movies.

1641
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 2: Nobody knows him for the Blade Runner sequel. We know

1642
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 2: him for the Dune movies, Ants, and he's got eight

1643
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 2: oscars as a result of that. His appointment is part

1644
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 2: of a wider shakeup, and this is why we care.

1645
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 2: This is why we started off talking about the Bond

1646
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: ro because his appointment is part of a wider shakeup

1647
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: of the Bond franchise. Because old mate Barbara Broccoli, she

1648
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,919
Speaker 2: and that the others gave Care out of control to Amazon.

1649
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 2: MGM Studios in a deal right which cost about a

1650
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: billion dollars, And part of that was that the next

1651
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 2: James Bond actor will be a man. He will likely

1652
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: be in his thirties. Whiteness is not a given, so

1653
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be what's his name, Eldrit, what's his name?

1654
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 22: Dress Alwer?

1655
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 2: Thank you him because he's very handsome, and I mean

1656
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 2: he's not what's that beaty? Yeah, as I was thinking,

1657
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 2: he's not in his thirties, is he? He's sort of

1658
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 2: in his early forties. I mean, who's handsome? Who cares?

1659
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: They can do a lot with makeup nowadays. He's fifty two.

1660
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 2: So it's not gonna be him. It's gonna be somebody else.

1661
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 2: But at least look at least Bond is not going

1662
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 2: to be a lady, because I think we can all

1663
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 2: agree that that would be ridiculous. Anyway, listen, very quickly,

1664
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 2: speaking of speaking of love affairs, things of the heart.

1665
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 2: Online dating is not doing very well. This is according

1666
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 2: to Bumble Bumbles. You know how you've got the tinder

1667
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: and the grinder, which is kind of a basic. You

1668
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 2: wanna go up a level, you want to go to

1669
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 2: Bumble that's a bit of the classy one. Bumble is

1670
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 2: laying off two hundred and forty employees, are roughly thirty

1671
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 2: percent of its global workforce. They need to find forty

1672
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 2: million dollars US and annual cost the most recent first

1673
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: quarter earnings, Bumble reported a total revenue of about two

1674
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 2: hundred and forty seven million dollars US. That's down nearly

1675
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 2: eight percent from the same period a year ago. Now,

1676
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what is going on with the online dating,

1677
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 2: but I do have some friends who do this, and

1678
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: what appears to be happening is that people it kind

1679
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 2: of it was a bit eck for a while there

1680
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: in the sort of like two thousand, early two thousands.

1681
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 2: Maybe then it became okay and everybody did it, and

1682
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 2: it's kind of starting to People are over it now.

1683
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 2: And maybe that's part of the problem with Bumble, is

1684
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 2: that we tried the online dating and then we found

1685
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 2: out we just really didn't like it very much. Headlines

1686
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:47,839
Speaker 2: are next.

1687
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 3: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1688
01:21:56,640 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: It's Heather due for Selan with the Business Hour to mayors,

1689
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, throw your wealth, protect your future.

1690
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 3: These talks, he'd be.

1691
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: If you're in Auckland, and you're not sure whether you're

1692
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: and you're in the you know, including little place like

1693
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 2: Mount Eden. And if you're not sure whether you're going

1694
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,959
Speaker 2: to be affected by this fifteen fifteen story building nonsense.

1695
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 2: The Herald's just chucked the map, an interactive map up

1696
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 2: on the site. Go and have a look and you'll

1697
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: find out. Trump is considering, apparently this is reporting from

1698
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, is considering naming the next FED

1699
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 2: chair early in a bid to undermine Jerome Powell. He's

1700
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: called Drome Powell terrible. In his latest attack, he said

1701
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 2: he's got three or four people in mind as contenders

1702
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:47,480
Speaker 2: for the top FED job, apparently Fed Governor Kevin Walsh,

1703
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 2: National Economic Council head Kevin Hassett, FED current FED Governor

1704
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 2: Christopher Waller Waller, and Treasury Secretary Scot Percent twenty four

1705
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 2: away from seven. Sam Dickey is with us from Fisher Funds. Hello, Sam,

1706
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 2: good evening here, right, Let's talk about Nike, because, as

1707
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: he points out, Nike has has had its stock plumb

1708
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,759
Speaker 2: at sixty eight percent from its peaks about November twenty

1709
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 2: twenty one is a textbook fallen angel. What's gone wrong here?

1710
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 3: Well?

1711
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 5: John Donaho.

1712
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 23: He was the CEO that came in about five years

1713
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 23: ago in twenty twenty, and he pretty quickly shifted Nike's focus. So,

1714
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 23: as you probably know, it used to be all about

1715
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 23: having sported its course, so organizing itself around megasports like basketball,

1716
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 23: running football, plus being very very visible in retail stores

1717
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 23: and using its power its might to elbow out all

1718
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 23: the wannabe brands off the best shelves. So he did

1719
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 23: a few things. He wanted to make the company more profitable,

1720
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 23: So he simplified the company's divisions by memorom and and

1721
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 23: kids rather than by sport, and he turned his back

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Speaker 23: on the shoe shops and sports retailers to try and

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Speaker 23: sell more products online, which on the face of it

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Speaker 23: makes sense because you have a simpler divisional structure, you

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Speaker 23: reduced a number of expensive sports specific designers, set a

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Speaker 23: pain away profit to a retailer to sell your product.

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Speaker 23: You keep that extra profit for yourself and sell directly

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Speaker 23: off your website. But it backfired and Nike he lost

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Speaker 23: its sports specific product innovation advantage. And what's worse, that

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Speaker 23: shelf space it had freed up by turning its back

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01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 23: on retailers was greedily gobbled up by smaller innovative brands

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Speaker 23: like Hoker and On Running.

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Speaker 5: Ah.

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Speaker 2: And that's quite key, isn't it, Because because Hoker. Look

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Speaker 2: at what's happened to Hoker lately, right, and you've got

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Speaker 2: all of these because I mean, part of the story,

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Speaker 2: as you say, is what's going on within the business,

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Speaker 2: but part of it is also the pressure from the

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Speaker 2: competitors like Hoker, like Lulu Lemon as well, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's right?

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Speaker 23: And they were able to use their mic previously to

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Speaker 23: ensure they get all the best shelf space in it

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Speaker 23: in a shoe shop for example, and when they turn

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01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 23: their back on those retailers, that space was it greedily

1745
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 23: gobbled up. And ironically here that Hoker and On Running

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01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 23: used the same strategy that Nike did back in the

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Speaker 23: day to take on you know the big players back then,

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Speaker 23: probably Addy as Converse, Puma, and used that really kind

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Speaker 23: of sports specific product innovation, so really focusing on running shoes,

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01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 23: really focusing on basketball shoes to beat at its own game.

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Speaker 2: Now, look, I know retro is back, Sam, but do

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01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 2: you think that maybe overly reliant on their retro styles?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, Well, they had been super reliant on those mega brands.

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01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 23: And look that that's part of that. So that the

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Speaker 23: changing strategy and that reliance on those mega brands like R.

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Speaker 23: Jordan's et cetera, which I guess sort of retro has

1757
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 23: punished the stock. So you know, inventory is every consumer

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01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 23: product company's worst nightmare. And Nike's inventory shot up from

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01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 23: five billion dollars to eight billion dollars because it couldn't

1760
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 23: sell enough product via it's new online strategy. Profit fell,

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Speaker 23: cash flow almost halved, So not dire straits, but the

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Speaker 23: company got itself into a materially worse position than was

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Speaker 23: and hence, as you say, it fell sort of seventy

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Speaker 23: percent in terms of stock price.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now the thing that you would refer to is Nike's

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Speaker 2: competitive moat. Is that still intact or is that gone forever?

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Speaker 23: Well, that that is the number one question. And remember

1769
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 23: mote is a sustainable competitive advantage, like a motor around

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01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 23: your business to ward off the ravages of competition. And

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Speaker 23: Nike's moat is, of course it's incredibly powerful brand, but

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Speaker 23: that brand is supported by its scale. So he used

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Speaker 23: to support that brand with its scale by elbowing, you know,

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01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 23: the wannabe hokers and on runnings off the shelves, but

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Speaker 23: it also spends almost five billion a year on marketing

1776
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 23: and sponsoring the best athletes in the world and that

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01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 23: hasn't changed. So they recently wrapped up Caitlan Clark the

1778
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Speaker 23: WNBA Sensation for about twenty eight million bucks, despite Puma

1779
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 23: adi Das Underarma or clamoring for attention. And I think

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Speaker 23: it was Lebron James that describes it best. He could

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Speaker 23: have gone with Rebok for one hundred and fifteen million dollars,

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Speaker 23: but we were Nike for ninety million dollars because he

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01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 23: went and saw them and was walking the hallways and

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01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 23: sort life sized cutouts of Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods

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01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 23: and realized he had to side with Nike. And the

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Speaker 23: other thing is that the CEO, John Donna, who's now

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Speaker 23: gone as well, so he's been replaced by Elliot Hill,

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Speaker 23: who started at Nike in nineteen ninety eight, is an

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Speaker 23: intern and he's changed course. He's steered the company back

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Speaker 23: towards its course. So I think the moat is still there,

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Speaker 23: it just needs to be fixed up.

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Speaker 2: A bit interesting, Okay, So what does this mean for investors?

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01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,759
Speaker 2: What do they need to consider it's.

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Speaker 23: A reminder of a few things. So of all the

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01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 23: types of moats, so I think about cost advantages, customer

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01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 23: switching costs, or even patents, brand can be the most

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01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 23: fickle one, so a brand note mote needs to be

1798
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 23: well looked after which it wasn't under John Donahoe. And

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Speaker 23: it's also a reminder I think for companies that hiring

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Speaker 23: from the outside can be a risk. So John had

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01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 23: been on the board of Nike, but he'd never kind

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01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 23: of worked for Nike as an employee. He'd never lived

1803
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 23: and breathed on a daily basis what makes the place tech?

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01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 23: And a new CEO was hired as an intern. That's

1805
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 23: almost thirty years ago. So that what is interesting, Heather,

1806
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:06,799
Speaker 23: is the proof is going to be in the pudding

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01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 23: because the company's reporting it's fully a result tomorrow. And

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01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 23: one thing for sure is for sure sentiment is very bearish,

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01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 23: which on the one hand, is very helpful because even

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01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 23: a halfway decent result should see the stock price move higher.

1811
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 23: But if Nike misses earning the expectations significantly tomorrow and

1812
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 23: can't even get over the very low bar set by

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01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 23: a seventy percent four in the stop price, perhaps that

1814
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 23: amazing brand mode is even more damage than the market thinks.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, hey, thank you very much. I really appreciated it.

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Speaker 2: As per usual, Sam that Sam Dickey official funds right

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Speaker 2: now eighteen away from seven, Heather duplessy Ellen, it's going

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Speaker 2: to have to talk about face yoga in a minute. Okay,

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01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 2: someone has used my name for another road cone complaint.

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01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 2: I don't mind. You're welcome to because then I get all.

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01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 2: You've got to use the email addresses. Can't use the

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01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 2: news News Talk ZB email address, which is what just happened.

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01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 2: You got to use hither at Newstalk ZB do co

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01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: dot NZID Police. Anyway, the kids in the in the

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01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 2: newsroom sent it through to me, so anyway I can

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Speaker 2: I can update you kea order, Heather says the email

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Speaker 2: from Auckland Transport. Thanks for getting in touch with Auckland

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01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 2: Transport regarding road cones. Bracket's case number c AS one

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Speaker 2: one three five seven one six hyphen P two W

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Speaker 2: nine C three. So if that's your one, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're like, oh yes, I remember that number, this

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01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 2: is for you. Our traffic management advisor has visited the site.

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01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 2: Brigham Lane Briam Lane Brigham Lane and agree that there

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01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 2: were too many cones. See, you were right there. This

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01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 2: has now been picked up and significantly minimized. Traffic Management

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01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: advisors have ordered the site multiple times previously and advised

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01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 2: improvement areas for the site. So you're write recidivist defenders.

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01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 2: As the project is scheduled to finish shortly, thank god,

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01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 2: closure is reduced on Brigambriam Creek Road and all cones

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01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 2: on Trigg Road and Spedding Road are picked up. Nah

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Speaker 2: mahe so you're welcome and thank you for it. By

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01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: the way, I have noticed that the emails from Auckland

1843
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 2: Transport of getting more and more terse with me because

1844
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,759
Speaker 2: they're obvious like this Heather is complaining all the time

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01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 2: about all this stuff all over Auckland City. So good

1846
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 2: on you, and actually let's throw them off the sink

1847
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 2: a little bit. Let's let's have a complaint from the

1848
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 2: Nelson now from Tasman District and something from Canterbury as well,

1849
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 2: just to really mix things up a little bit. And

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Speaker 2: I'll keep you posted. It is working. It is doing

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01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 2: what it's supposed to sixteen away from seven, whether it's.

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Speaker 1: Macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all on the

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Speaker 1: Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Les Insurance and investments,

1854
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future, use talks v in.

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Speaker 2: The Brady UK correspondents with us now, Hey.

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Speaker 9: Enda, hey, Heather, good to speak to you again.

1857
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 2: Do we believe this pole?

1858
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 9: So this pole is putting Nigel Farage in Downing Street

1859
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 9: as Prime Minister. In four years time it would be

1860
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 9: a hung parliament. What I think is really shocking for

1861
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 9: Keir Starmer and indeed the leader of the Conservative Party,

1862
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 9: Cammy Badenoch, is just the extent to which they're politic

1863
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 9: support at constituency level across the UK has fallen away

1864
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 9: in a very short space of time. So Reform UK

1865
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 9: currently have five members of Parliament. This poll says if

1866
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 9: there was an election this week, Reform will be on

1867
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 9: two seven eight. That's how many seats they would win,

1868
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 9: two hundred and seventy eight. Labor would fall away to

1869
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 9: one hundred and seventy one and the Conservatives would drop

1870
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 9: down to forty six seats. They would be basically a

1871
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 9: minor political party. Now, if you add Labor and Conservatives together,

1872
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 9: they still wouldn't have as many seats as Reform It's

1873
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 9: a long way out from the next election four years out.

1874
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 9: But I think as we approach Keir Starmer's first anniversary

1875
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 9: and power next week, he needs to start sitting down

1876
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 9: with his people and working out how to tackle reform

1877
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,759
Speaker 9: because they are running away with it in the polls.

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01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean this could just be a I

1879
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 2: don't know, like a protest vote, a protest pole result.

1880
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 2: Does it actually people actually who are saying to the

1881
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 2: posters right now that they would vote for reform, will

1882
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 2: they actually walk into a rebellot booth and vote for

1883
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:09,759
Speaker 2: reform in these numbers?

1884
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 9: All I can say anecdotally from people I've spoken to

1885
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 9: a summer barbecues and various different social events over the

1886
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 9: last few months, everyone is sick of the system. You've

1887
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 9: had two parties rule the UK for a century, Conservatives

1888
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 9: mostly and then Labor, and people have had enough. They

1889
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 9: think something has to change, and Farage seems to be

1890
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 9: right now flavor of the month. But as I say,

1891
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 9: we're forty eight months out from an election, so let's

1892
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 9: see what happens. But I think when it comes down

1893
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 9: to it, is he realistically going to change life for

1894
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 9: the better for many people in the UK and does

1895
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 9: reform have the political roots? You know how a political

1896
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 9: party needs various different departments, it needs really switched on

1897
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 9: people doing everything. I'm not sure they have that level

1898
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 9: of depth right now.

1899
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point. Now, how do you feel about all

1900
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 2: these leaders sucking up to Trump at the moment.

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01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 9: Well, kir Starmer has led the way really. So there

1902
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 9: was a couple of big announcements we had. On the

1903
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,719
Speaker 9: money side of things, we know Trump loves the deal.

1904
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 9: He's managed to convince the UK that it needs to

1905
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 9: buy American made F thirty five a fighter jets, twelve

1906
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 9: of them. An order has gone in yesterday, which are

1907
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 9: capable of carrying nuclear weapons. So Starmer says that is

1908
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 9: something that the UK needs are Right now, the UK

1909
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 9: can only fire nuclear missiles from a submarine, so he

1910
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 9: wants to broaden out the capabilities there. And then secondly,

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Speaker 9: the state visit, which I was briefed will happen in

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01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 9: twenty twenty six, if not twenty seven, is now being

1913
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 9: brought forward to this September. Wow, because Trump wants it

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01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 9: as soon as so. He's a very transactional president, we

1915
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 9: know that much. And he is ringing everything every last

1916
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 9: drop out of the UK right now, and Starmer seems

1917
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 9: to be the only person in Europe who has any

1918
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:08,879
Speaker 9: kind of a decent relationship with him. It's absolutely fascinating.

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01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,599
Speaker 2: And I don't know Mark Rutter does now that he's

1920
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 2: called himdaddy.

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01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the level we've got to. They have to

1922
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 9: sit down with the President of America and call him

1923
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 9: daddy to have his ear. I mean, honestly, I've never

1924
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 9: seen such what's the word obsequiousness, Yeah.

1925
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 2: That's the perfect word for it. Hey, have you I

1926
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 2: know you love running. Have you caught up on what

1927
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 2: our boy Sam Harvey has done the ultra marathon runner.

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01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 9: I'll tell you, I'm in such kind of shock from

1929
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 9: my last attempt at an ultra marathon that I've tuned

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Speaker 9: out from all running articles social media.

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Speaker 2: Shall I tell you to tell me Grub broken the

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Speaker 2: world record for this particular kind of like backyard ultra

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Speaker 2: marathon running where they run a loop of six point

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Speaker 2: seven k's and they do it once an hour, right,

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Speaker 2: they have to do it at the start of the hour.

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Speaker 2: Whatever they do. If they finish it in thirty five minutes,

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Speaker 2: they've got time to spend the risk of the time napping, eating,

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Speaker 2: getting a mess out. He did it one hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighteen times. He ran seven hundred and eighty four k's

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Speaker 2: in nearly five days and then collapsed.

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Speaker 9: Good God, right, Well, I take my heart off, Hilma.

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Speaker 9: I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying being out in the countryside in

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Speaker 9: England in the summer, running without a rock sack and stopping,

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Speaker 9: stopping whenever I feel like that.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, having a nap or asleep or

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Speaker 2: you know, just normal normal behavior. Inda, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Mate.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to see and into Brady UK corresponding. Nine

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Speaker 2: away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Hither I came across three major road cone violations on

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Speaker 2: my run from Auckland to Wellington today. On your run,

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's a truck run. I perhaps need to

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Speaker 2: start putting them under your name. Yes, absolutely, You're welcome

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Speaker 2: to as I say, just put in Heather, Heather DPA.

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Speaker 2: inz and on monitor it for you and let you know.

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Speaker 2: And I'm basically like your PA or your chat GPT.

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Speaker 2: You can just drive and I'll just tell you what

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Speaker 2: they say to you. Face yoga it's a thing. It

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Speaker 2: is a thing, and it works. I know wanted to work,

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Speaker 2: but it works. So apparently, Laura, are you listening, okay,

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Speaker 2: because you've got a face and you're a lady, So

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Speaker 2: this is how we're the only ones who care. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you No, that's basically what you have to do. So

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Speaker 2: you have to do apparently if you want what happens

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Speaker 2: is you get older, your skin starts to sag and

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Speaker 2: stuff like that, right, and you want to get rid

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Speaker 2: of that. You want to build up the muscle underneath

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Speaker 2: your skin layer. So you want to do things like duckface,

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Speaker 2: which is basically pouting. H I want to a little

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Speaker 2: bit of that. You also want to do what's the

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Speaker 2: other one? There was lion energy or something like that

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Speaker 2: I thought could work for you. Lion's breath, Laura This

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Speaker 2: is where you open your mouth wide, stick out your toe,

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Speaker 2: roll your eyes back. I don't know what you have

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Speaker 2: to roll your eyes back, and it definitely makes you

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Speaker 2: look mental, so it's fun. And then exhale ah, there's

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Speaker 2: your lions breath. Then you also want to do your

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Speaker 2: smiling Bouda face, which is where you lift the corners

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Speaker 2: of your mouth for just a neutral look. Now I know,

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Speaker 2: because I mean, look when it sounds like a prank,

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Speaker 2: I know it does sound like a prank. I know,

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Speaker 2: but CNN wrote about it, so it's real. And also

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Speaker 2: the other thing is, look, there are some ladies in

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Speaker 2: you who just have too much money, right, and you

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Speaker 2: sort and you just look at your face in the

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Speaker 2: mirror too much and you think, oh gosh, I need

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Speaker 2: to do something about the rest of us. Of course,

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Speaker 2: it's just running around chasing children. We don't care what

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Speaker 2: we look like. But if you are one of those

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Speaker 2: people will be You can do this. It's free and

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Speaker 2: all you need to do is thirty minutes of exercise

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Speaker 2: a day. Sixteen people did it for thirty minutes a

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Speaker 2: day that for twenty weeks, and a panel of dermatologists

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Speaker 2: observed improved facial Fullness Ants.

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Speaker 22: Right one more Time by Daft Punk to play us

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Speaker 22: out tonight. French President Emmanuel McCaul has said that he

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Speaker 22: thinks that French House should be given UNESCO World Heritage stamp.

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Speaker 22: Now this isn't actually as crazy as it sounds like,

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Speaker 22: because they apparently do this all the time. Mexican Mariacci

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Speaker 22: that's on the UNESCO list, Cuban Rumba that's there, Berlin

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Speaker 22: Techno's there, and he's saying we'll hang on. French House

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Speaker 22: should be on there as well. So yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: I think I have got a friend, Seya who is

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Speaker 2: obsessed with French House, like obsessed with French House when

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Speaker 2: I when I get yeah, when she does she loves

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Speaker 2: the ductuff or when I text her this tonight, she

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Speaker 2: is just going to fizz forever because her it's just

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Speaker 2: going to reinforce that she has fantastic as you say

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Speaker 2: and taste. Thank you You've made her night. Enjoy see

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Speaker 2: you tomorrow.

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