1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Kyoda. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. The Australian 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: Government is pivoting to a strictest dance on deporting so 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: called five oh ones, people with criminal histories who had 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: mostly grown up in Australia but were born in New Zealand. 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: The new directive, effective from today, takes a u turn 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: on previous commitments made by the Australian Government in twenty 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: twenty two to prioritize considering a person's links to Australia 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: in visa decisions. Between January twenty fifteen to January this year, 11 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: three thousand, one hundred and twenty eight people were deported 12 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: from Australia, while not all of them five oh ones, 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: over a third were no older than nineteen when they left, 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: and zed just over two hundred we're no older than nine. 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: Today. 16 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: On the front Page, founder of Road to Redemption and 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: former five oh one Mark Tallanoah discusses the implications of 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: this new directive. First off, Mark, for those who perhaps 19 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: don't know what a five oh one is, can you 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: explain that to us? 21 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 4: So? 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 5: Five oh one is someone who has been deported under 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 5: the Australian's Amendment to the five oh one law in 24 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 5: Australia and who has served time in Australia and has 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 5: been deported back predominantly back to New Zealand, but they 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 5: could be sent back all over the world. 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 4: To me, that's a five to one. 28 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's pretty controversial because it doesn't matter how 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: long you've spent in New Zealand or Australia. 30 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 4: Hey. No, Yes, very controversial because I do. 31 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 5: Know a lot of men and women who case by 32 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 5: case this situation. 33 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 6: They're pretty much Australians, have gone there when they're infant, 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 6: a little child, and they've grown up there, so all 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 6: they know is Australia, the culture, the beliefs, the values, 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 6: and they. 37 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 5: Get deported back to a country that is very foreign 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 5: to them. 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: So that's what's very controversial. 40 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: What have your experience has been with this system? 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: The system it's sort of a blanket approach. 42 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: I believe it when I was amended in twenty fifteen 43 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: that it was brought out to kind of get rid 44 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: of terrorists over in Australia because it came into fruition 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: under Tony. 46 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 5: Abbott and they kind of had to come up of 47 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 5: law that's going to help get rid of people who 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 5: are not citizens through Australia. And obviously a lot of 49 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 5: Keywis just go over there bridging visas and are not citizens. 50 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 5: So we kind of fall on that kind of collateral. 51 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 5: I guess we're the ones who've been invested the most, 52 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 5: because there's been just over three thousand Kiwis have been 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 5: deported back. 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 7: To his end, just thirty one actually as of January 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 7: this year. 56 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 8: Yeah, five oh ones are New Zealand born and criminals 57 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 8: deported from Australia. Under Scott Morrison's government. They were kicked 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 8: out at a rate of more than one per day 59 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 8: one soundbern Easy came into power. Numbers almost halved after 60 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 8: Australia agreed to a common sense approach a mid Mountain 61 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 8: pressure from then Prime Minister Jasinda Rdud. 62 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: You're a former five oh one, hey, yes, yeah, And 63 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: how was that experience for you? 64 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 5: Well, for me, I had it a lot easier than 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 5: a lot of men and women do when they do 66 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 5: come back and they have nothing, and they have no money, 67 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 5: and they have no jobs, and they have no support 68 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 5: network and. 69 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 4: They have no connection to New Zealand. 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 5: I was very fortunate that my wife was my girlfriends 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 5: time came over two weeks before and she kind of 72 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 5: got housing had tamings at Aka. But even though I 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 5: had that startup seven years ago, because I've been back 74 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 5: for seven years now, it was still I still found 75 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 5: it hard to adjust to the sort of landscape of 76 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 5: the environment of New Zealand. Like how slow it was 77 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 5: compared to being in Australia for fourteen years and coming 78 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: back and just trying to adjust to the speed of 79 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 5: New Zealand. 80 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: Did you have any family here? 81 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: No, I had no family. 82 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 5: I'm originally from East Auckland, and I chose to not 83 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 5: go back to Auckland because I knew what was there 84 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 5: for me. 85 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 4: I knew that a lot of people that I knew would. 86 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 5: Be back in those circles and I'll just I guess 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 5: it'll be just too tempting for me to fall back 88 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 5: into old traps. 89 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: So my good friend at the time sent me. 90 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 5: A further and map of New Zealand and we decided 91 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 5: to relocate to crush It. 92 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: You mentioned that you were aware that it would be 93 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: quite easy to fall back into old habits. How difficult 94 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: was it once you were back in New Zealand not 95 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: to do that. 96 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 5: I guess that's the reason why we did move to 97 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 5: Crossachs because I had no ties to no one, I knew, 98 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 5: no one, I had no family, and wasn't as easy 99 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 5: as to link up. 100 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 4: With people who were still involved in that space. 101 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 5: So for me, it wasn't that challenging because that's the 102 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 5: reason why we moved down here. But I still found 103 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 5: myself in those circles because if you come from a 104 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 5: certain background, it's obviously easy to connect and link up 105 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 5: with your old networks and people that know, mutual friends 106 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 5: and stuff like that. So I still found myself in 107 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 5: those sort of circles, but it was easier for me 108 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 5: to kind of pull myself away and not get caught up. 109 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 4: And that's hence the reason why we didn't move back 110 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 4: to Auckland. 111 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, am I able to ask you? Is it gang affiliations? 112 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, just gang affiliations, but also yeah, just boys 113 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 5: that you knew from over in Australia and we were 114 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 5: part of that lifestyle and it's just so easy to 115 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 5: fall into old traps and do old things. And that's 116 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 5: why I gone to Auckland and having that as a 117 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 5: place where everyone goes through. It kind of sets out 118 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 5: our people up in failure because they're going to a 119 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 5: place where all they know is what they know in Australia. 120 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 4: Why they got the portant for We get sent here 121 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 4: with very little. 122 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: And you get a couple hundred bucks and you get 123 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 5: better than on the back and get told to do 124 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 5: your best. 125 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 9: Of all, my family's here in Australia, and my daughter's here, 126 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 9: My brothers and sisters are Australian, my dad's Australian, my 127 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 9: mum's in Australian. I live my whole life here. I've 128 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 9: got no one at all in New Zealand. I've never 129 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 9: been speaking of it. 130 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: You now help deportees turn their lives around. Can you 131 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: tell me a little bit more about that. 132 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's a redemption to Charitable Trust where our 133 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 5: main purpose is to help people reintegrate back into society, 134 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 5: not just five at ones, but people. 135 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 4: Who have come out of a. 136 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 5: Predictional sentence and who are reintegrating. Try to help them 137 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 5: find accommodation, help them find work, and get a little 138 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 5: support service around them so they don't go back to 139 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 5: old sort of habits. So that's pretty much what I've 140 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 5: done is I've turned my life around. I've served my time, 141 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 5: I've come back, I've done my volunteer work, I've went 142 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 5: it up skilled and become a personal trainer and a 143 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 5: qualified camp and I'm pretty um want to help others 144 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 5: do the same thing and get them options and they 145 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 5: don't have to go back to that old life. Through 146 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 5: our trust, we've put on a one hour conference. The 147 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 5: first one was up in Wellington in October last year 148 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 5: where we helped put on an event. We had close 149 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 5: to one hundred people turn up and share their stories 150 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 5: and open up and get support services around them. And 151 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 5: this year we are doing the same for five other ones. 152 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 5: We're putting on a one hour conference with the date 153 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 5: yet to be confirmed, but it'll be somewhere in October 154 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 5: where we can put on a bigger one. 155 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: Where we can get more people there to open. 156 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 5: Up and share this sort of these stories and hopefully 157 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 5: we can help them better their situation with housing, with health, 158 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 5: with getting them support for work and stuff like that. 159 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: I bet you've spoken to so many of these men 160 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: and women who have been deported over here and have 161 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: arrived to nothing. Essentially, what are some of the stories 162 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: that stick out to your mind that have kind of 163 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: stuck with you. 164 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, some horrendous stories Last year at the Warning, it 165 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 5: made me feel like, man, my experience was nothing compared 166 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 5: to so many of the men and women who just 167 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 5: come back. They're living in downtown Auckland, They're living in 168 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 5: a hostel in the nightclub district, trying to sleep, having 169 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 5: no work, having no food, but then a hostel with 170 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 5: all foreigners, and yeah, just kind of experiences like that, 171 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 5: having no money living in these hostels. Some of them 172 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 5: end up homeless, some of them end up with no jobs, 173 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 5: so they kind of turned to old habits and old 174 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 5: behaviors and fall into that same sort of cycle that 175 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 5: kind of brought them here. 176 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: And that's like a common theme, you know. 177 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 5: Just the struggles of finding work, the struggles of finding accommodation, housing, 178 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 5: the ship, the struggles are just getting back on their feet, 179 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 5: and that's real common for five and one getting sent 180 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 5: back to New Zealand. 181 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: Going back to twenty twenty two, were you encouraged when 182 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: Australia changed its stance? 183 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 4: I encouraged. 184 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 5: I didn't have a little bit of hope that something 185 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 5: was going to change. 186 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 4: But the OSI government's going to do what they're going 187 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 4: to do. 188 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 5: They don't really care, they don't really give a shit. 189 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 5: I believe one they can make all these promises and 190 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 5: then they always do backlips on them, So to be honest, 191 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 5: I don't know what to believe. 192 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: Well, they've just made another backflip because of this new 193 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: directive which kind of takes a step back from the 194 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: promise of giving more leniency to people who have spent 195 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: more time in Australia than New Zealand, regardless of them 196 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: being a New Zealand citizen. 197 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 5: Today I've signed Ministerial Direction one hundred and ten. 198 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 9: What we do is we determine our own policy, our 199 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 9: own policy according with our own interests. 200 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: Do you feel that five oh ones are made to 201 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: be a scapegoat for Australia's problems. 202 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: Yes, I do believe that. 203 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 5: And going back to what I was saying, I don't 204 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 5: know our trued is about the terrorist stuff happening, and 205 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: this just being like a decoy to that. 206 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 4: I do believe that we're just collateral. 207 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 5: Damage and being made as scapegoats because yeah, like we 208 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 5: talk about the ANZACs and this brotherhood and this makeship 209 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 5: and you know, brothers and sisters, and then Yeah, you 210 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 5: treat your own, you know, brothers and sisters like this, 211 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 5: anzac camaraderie like this. And they're trying to make out 212 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 5: that a big reason why the crime rate was so 213 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 5: high over there was because of all these criminals who 214 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 5: had New Zealand citizenship. But yet the crime rate is 215 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 5: still going up over there. It's kind of like, Yeah, 216 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 5: what are they trying to achieve? 217 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, even on this side of the ditch, Hay. 218 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: I know that when we talk about gang issues and violence. 219 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: Et cetera. 220 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say a lot of it's pointed towards the 221 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: Five Ones, but I have seen comments that five Oho 222 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: Ones have brought gangs here for example. 223 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 3: I mean that seems a bit much. 224 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, that gangs have been around here since before I 225 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 5: was born and it will continue to. But I do 226 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 5: agree that the landscape of organized crime has changed here 227 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 5: because of obviously the connects that five Ones do have 228 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 5: to around the global networks and all that stuff like that. 229 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 5: But there is data that does show that there are 230 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 5: more Five Ones that have reformed and have turned their 231 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 5: lives around and have not gone back to prison than 232 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 5: they have. But what you do see out on the 233 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 5: media and what the politicians always hop on about is 234 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 5: the five and ones, the five ones, the bad, the stigma, 235 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 5: the stereotype. But actually, if you look at the data, 236 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 5: it shows that more five ones have come back and 237 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 5: have not gone back to crime and have not reoffended. 238 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: There's only a small minority of fire ones who have 239 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: reoffended and gone back inside. 240 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: Well, I did get some data from police on the 241 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: thirty one hundred thereabouts deportees have been sent back since 242 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: January twenty fifteen. 243 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: It's important to say that not all of them are 244 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: five oh ones. 245 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: By the way, a number of committed offenses after they 246 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: arrived back in New Zealand. Just over nineteen hundred of 247 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,119 Speaker 2: them have been convicted or linked to over twenty thousand offenses. 248 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,359 Speaker 2: And I'll note some of those offenses may be historical 249 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: in that the offense was before they were actually deported 250 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: or departed New Zealand. 251 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 3: Right, So the data on. 252 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: Deportees in general doesn't look amazing, but there is no 253 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: differentiation between five oh ones and deportees in general. But 254 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: you must agree it kind of does make it hard 255 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: for the public to dismiss this narrative that five oh ones. 256 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: Are no good. 257 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 7: How would you convince them otherwise. 258 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 5: I think what putting on these conferences that we have 259 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 5: on and showcasing more out in the general media that 260 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 5: there are a lot of us who have come back 261 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 5: in turn our lives around. There are a lot of 262 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 5: us who have come back and who are working in 263 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 5: a legit job, building a career, have relligit businesses, are 264 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 5: out there in the community helping our people not go 265 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 5: down the same path that we have gone down and 266 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 5: turning them away from life of crime and drugs and 267 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 5: all that stuff. 268 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 4: So I think just getting those voices out to showcase 269 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: that there are role models out there. 270 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 5: We have made mistakes, but we have come back and 271 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 5: we are out there doing good things for the community. 272 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and five o ones are people at the end 273 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: of the day, hey, and hearing those stories would be 274 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: really important. I found some University of Otago research which 275 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: shows the policies are actually particularly hard on people with 276 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: mental illness. Researchers found twenty two percent of the deportees 277 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: they screened on arrival were referred to specialist mental health 278 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 2: and addiction services. But they say, look, many more are 279 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: falling through the cracks. 280 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: Would you agree with that? 281 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 4: Yes? One hundred percent totally agree with this. 282 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 5: You're not just sending people back after that they have 283 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 5: committed their sentences or done their time, or some people 284 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 5: are sent back without even serving prison terms now, but yeah, 285 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 5: we don't even take into account that they are just humans. 286 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 5: That a lot of us do come back with mental 287 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 5: health issues that are not treated and undiagnosed, and then 288 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 5: you send the person like that without the right support 289 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 5: back into the community. 290 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: It's a sad reality. But I totally agree with that. 291 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: With the mental health issues for sure. 292 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 5: That's just not right that we think that people have 293 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 5: no connection to New Zealander, to court, to New Zealands. 294 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 4: We regret the decision that Australia has made. 295 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 5: Promenisy has also assured me they'll continue to be a 296 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 5: common sense approach. 297 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: A spokesperson for our Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peter has 298 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: actually told us he shares Prime Minister of Christopher Luxen's 299 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: concerns over this recent change, but notes that the ossipm 300 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: there Anthony Albernezi. He assures common sense approach will prevail. 301 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: Are you confident a common sense approach will actually prevail? 302 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 5: I don't believe so, because he's promised over there says 303 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 5: one thing and then they do a U turn on that. 304 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 4: Then they'll say another thing and they'll backflip on that. 305 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 4: You can't just have a blanket approach. 306 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 5: For every single person who's getting sent back, because, like 307 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 5: I said at the start, some people are born in Australia, 308 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 5: like you're pretty much raised born and raised raised the 309 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 5: culture of the beliefs, the values that you have are 310 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 5: Australian And how are you sending them back when everything 311 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 5: they know, everything they do, all that they are are 312 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 5: Australians And that common sense approach needs to be done. 313 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 4: But I don't know if they'll follow through their words. 314 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 7: It's a bit of a political football. Hey. 315 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: And on the note of that political involvement, do you 316 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: think the New Zealand government should do more to support 317 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: five oh one's actually integrating back into society here? 318 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I do believe that we need a lot 319 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 5: more help with assistance, with accommodation, with mental health, with 320 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 5: getting back on our feed and finding jobs. They are 321 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 5: services out there, like their par and pars that are 322 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 5: doing great things to help support them in a woman, 323 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 5: but there's too much demand on supplier there for well 324 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 5: services to help our people. 325 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: We just need a lot more help. 326 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us mark. 327 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: Australia's Immigration Minister Andrew Giles decline. 328 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: To comment on this episode. 329 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: Instead, we were directed to earlier comments he made, saying 330 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: decisions on deporting people who have spent the majority of 331 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: their lives in Australia should be made based on common 332 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: sense and the protection of the Australian community. A spokesperson 333 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: for Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters told The Front Page 334 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: he shares Prime Minister Christopher Luxen's concerns over the change, 335 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: but also reference to Ozzie PM Anthony Albernizi's assurances of 336 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: a common sense approach. Peters said that New Zealand accepts 337 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: that Australia has the right to determine what level of 338 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: offending by non citizens is unacceptable, but they don't want 339 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: to see people with little to no connection to New 340 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: Zealand deported here. New Zealand will keep discussing this matter 341 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: with Australia. 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