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Speaker 1: On the Business of Tech this week. It's our last

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Speaker 1: episode as we had into the summer season and the holidays.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to look at some of the tech we've

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Speaker 2: played with this year. Some of the stuff we love,

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Speaker 2: some of the stuff we were bewildered by or perplexed by,

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Speaker 2: and some of the stuff that was just a complete dud.

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Speaker 1: This is the Business of Tech, powered by Two Degrees Business.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ben Moore and I'm Peter Griffin. It's been a

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Speaker 2: sort of an interesting year for tech. I described it

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Speaker 2: in the listener this week as a gap year. It's

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Speaker 2: like all these great ideas we've had AI in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three, there was lots of really cool stuff came

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Speaker 2: out multimodal AI, chatbots and the like, but nothing that

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Speaker 2: really impressed. And they seem to be working away behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes with the hope that there will be some

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Speaker 2: really impressive stuff next year. And that sort of went

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Speaker 2: for some of the hardware stuff we saw as well.

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Speaker 2: What's your sort of if you wanted to wrap it

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Speaker 2: up in a bow, what would your takeaway be for

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Speaker 2: where sort of tech went in twenty twenty four in

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Speaker 2: terms of this sort of consumer tech space.

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Speaker 1: I think we've reached a point in consumer tech where

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Speaker 1: people were just kind of companies were just kind of

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Speaker 1: iterating and finding their next little step forward. And with

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Speaker 1: the launch of AI, I think they've seen it as

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Speaker 1: a time when they can try and do something really

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Speaker 1: new and reinnovate and whatever however you want to put it.

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Speaker 1: So I think this year was kind of a year

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Speaker 1: when these consumer tech companies are starting to try and

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Speaker 1: find their feet again figure out what the next big

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Speaker 1: step forward is working from this platform. Also, we know that,

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Speaker 1: like people aren't buying as much new stuff, so people

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Speaker 1: are holding onto their devices for longer. They're not necessarily

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Speaker 1: you know, two or three generations ago. So that's really

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Speaker 1: what it's been to me is companies trying to find

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Speaker 1: if they have to be honest.

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Speaker 2: And we'll get to some of the sort of things

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Speaker 2: D or prototypes or rumors we're hearing about what they're

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Speaker 2: or game changes. But maybe let's start with just some

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Speaker 2: of the gadgets that impressed us this year. Is there

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Speaker 2: anything really that you reviewed or looked at or had

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to test drive where you thought, wow, that's

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Speaker 2: that's actually you know, it's expensive, but it's really worth

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think weirdly, like, one of my favorite things

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Speaker 1: that I reviewed was the Motorola Razor that I reviewed

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Speaker 1: this year. I find it just surprisingly functional. And the

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Speaker 1: Android phones can be very hit and mess in terms

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Speaker 1: layer that that companies will put over it can slow

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Speaker 1: is really clean. I really enjoyed it, and the fact

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Speaker 1: It's functional. I very much have enjoyed that phone, which

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Speaker 1: is an unusual thing for me to say, because I'm

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Speaker 2: Well I am, and I tried that phone and loved it,

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Speaker 2: particularly that big display on the outside. It can easily

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Speaker 2: two thousand and six something like that was just a

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Speaker 2: gangbuster phone in terms of sales. This is a bit

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Speaker 2: of a slow burn. It's quite expensive as well, isn't.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty expensive.

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Speaker 1: It is quite expensive. But if you're a person who

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Speaker 1: big phones, it's it's an awesome option. The other phone

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Speaker 1: that I've been wielding this year is the iPhone sixteen

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Speaker 1: the spectrum when it comes to phones. It's an Apple phone.

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Speaker 1: It's big, but I have also really enjoyed it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: hard to say a huge amount about an iPhone at

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Speaker 1: this point because they just haven't really done anything massively different.

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Speaker 1: And I'm including Apple Intelligence and that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously the update came out. I always say

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Speaker 1: Them a little bit? I have enjoyed the what do

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Speaker 1: gin moji with them, and it's a bit of fun,

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Speaker 1: you know. I made one that kind of looks like

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Speaker 2: But I'm probably more interested in the, you know, the

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Speaker 2: and all that. Is it any good at doing that?

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Speaker 1: No? Not really. They revamped the whole mail app and

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Speaker 1: like a classic Apple update where it is all about usability,

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Speaker 2: What about Supercharged Siri? Any improvement there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Siri can access chat GPT now, so it actually

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Speaker 1: answers questions when you have questions. I found it okay,

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Speaker 1: just the technology. I think it's just the technology is

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Speaker 2: I got to say that the iPhone sixteen pro the

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Speaker 2: I was sort of all excited about that. And then

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Speaker 2: I started reviewing the OPO find x eight Pro, which

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Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, you know, wow, this is actually designed

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Speaker 2: Android world, that's looking like a pretty good option. But

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Speaker 2: and I guess, you know, we're a three horse race

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always found that fascinating that Google's never bothered

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Speaker 1: like this year, they did release a new Chrome cast

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Speaker 1: It's called the Google TV Streamer four K and it's

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Speaker 1: a little white box, quite nicely designed that sits on

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Speaker 1: But because this has a little bit more dedicated space,

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Speaker 2: And it's also got an Ethernet port on it, right yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't really get a chance to play with it

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Speaker 2: But you rate it, well, yeah, I've had it for

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Speaker 2: All of that was done before on for instance, Samsung TVs,

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Speaker 2: it's actually really effective. So I like that. One thing

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Speaker 2: an Amazon account, which annoys me because when my sister

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Speaker 2: So that's slightly annoying. It just is another thing about

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Speaker 2: ended up in their model. They say specifically, they're not

433
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Speaker 2: using your data to train their model. Are they retaining

434
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Speaker 2: the data? That's what I want to know.

435
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question. I'm taken them at their

436
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Speaker 1: word and saying that they don't. And I think that

437
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Speaker 1: it makes sense because at the moment where we are

438
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Speaker 1: with large language models, they the ingesting of data has

439
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Speaker 1: reached a kind of saturation point. People are talking about

440
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Speaker 1: it and saying more data isn't diminishing returns at this point,

441
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Speaker 1: so they're probably not desperate for extra things to put

442
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Speaker 1: in there. So I kind of take them at their

443
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Speaker 1: word that they're not ingesting it and using it in

444
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Speaker 1: whole holding it. But yeah, like to your point, I

445
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: put a financial report in there, and I couldn't find

446
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Speaker 1: a piece of information that I was looking for, so

447
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: I asked, I put it in any way, and I

448
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: asked notebook LM. I said, what is the you know,

449
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: how much are they spending on wages and salary for employees?

450
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Speaker 1: And they went, oh, it's this much. It comes under

451
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Speaker 1: this particular heading, And I was like, I had no

452
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Speaker 1: idea that the term short term business expenses actually encompassed

453
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Speaker 1: employee salary in wages, and so it was able to

454
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Speaker 1: tell me that, and I just went and checked it

455
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Speaker 1: to make sure that that was accurate, and it was,

456
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Speaker 1: and so I was able to use that in my reporting.

457
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Speaker 1: But easily one of my favorite generative AI tools this year.

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah, another one I've just signed up for, so I've

459
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: only just started using it as as open Ayes Sora

460
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: video generation tool. So this has been hyped quite a lot.

461
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Speaker 2: If you want some stock sort of video as a

462
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Speaker 2: pre roll into some of your own generative video, it

463
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: could be quite useful, but still got a long way

464
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: to go to actually be useful as a self contained

465
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Speaker 2: sort of short film where you have three or four

466
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Speaker 2: minutes and a narrative. It will put that together for you,

467
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Speaker 2: but there's going to be flaws in ther glitchy things

468
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: still which sort of take you out of the experience.

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Speaker 1: In the looking ahead section. I guess Google has also

470
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Speaker 1: announced their own Saura competitor, VO two. It's like an

471
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Speaker 1: updated version of that that they are claiming is even better,

472
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Speaker 1: So that will be interesting when they come out. On

473
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Speaker 1: AI video In general, there was also that fully AI

474
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Speaker 1: generated advert for Brentworth wool carpets this year. I don't

475
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Speaker 1: know if you saw that one.

476
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was quite cool. I quite rated it. I

478
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Speaker 1: think it worked because it was kind of abstract and

479
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Speaker 1: it was, you know, advertised as being a generative AI advert,

480
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Speaker 1: so we'll link to that. It's interesting to watch. There

481
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Speaker 1: have been so many cases of bad uses of generative

482
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Speaker 1: AI for marketing and these kinds of things, but I

483
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Speaker 1: think what it does show is that we are entering

484
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Speaker 1: a world where generatively I can be used in a

485
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Speaker 1: positive way for marketing. In terms of job losses and

486
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: what that's actually going to mean for the people who

487
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: work in that area, I don't know, and it does

488
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Speaker 1: make me feel a little uncomfortable. But the reality is

489
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Speaker 1: is that marketing and you know, is a value driven

490
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: space and people are always looking to do things cheaper

491
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Speaker 1: and faster, and if that's what it offers, then that's

492
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Speaker 1: what it offers. And there is a new Zealand company

493
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Speaker 1: as well, Matter Studio that is generating backgrounds that you

494
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: can put your product onto. So yeah, you know, it's

495
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: it's definitely coming for that industry in terms of advertising.

496
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Speaker 1: And marketing.

497
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Speaker 2: Just before we jump ahead to look at twenty twenty

498
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Speaker 2: five and some of the tech that we expect to

499
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Speaker 2: emerge here. I just wanted to call out a few

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Speaker 2: other things. The rides I did in San Francisco were incredible,

501
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: incredible experience, and I think if and when that takes

502
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Speaker 2: off and other cities around the world, it will take

503
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Speaker 2: a long time, I think, to come to New Zealand,

504
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: but that's going to be a game changer. I also

505
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: took a Tesla Model three. Friends has one of those.

506
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: I took that around to Hawk's Bay recently and used

507
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Speaker 2: this sort of the self driving assisted sort of thing,

508
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: which I found incredible as well. I actually got in

509
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: trouble because I took my hands off the steering wheel

510
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: because I was expecting it to do the driving for me.

511
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Speaker 2: But that turned out to be one strike against the driver.

512
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Speaker 2: You get three strikes before they turn that feature off.

513
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry from my friend for doing that. But

514
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Speaker 2: I am looking at getting an EV at some point

515
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Speaker 2: in the next couple of years, and I've been really

516
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Speaker 2: impressed with the Tesla Model three. The BYD three was

517
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: another one, but plastically sort of interior not really my thing.

518
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: But man, a price of evs this year. You know,

519
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: you're getting the Model three is still quite expensive, but

520
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: you're getting the Atto. You're getting the Pulstar two now

521
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: for fifty thousand dollars with a when you take in

522
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 2: the five thousand dollars cash rebate you get on it.

523
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: So they're obviously struggling to EV makers. So there's actually

524
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: some pretty good deals out there. What you have to

525
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: consider now is obviously road user charges and acc levees

526
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: are going to increase for EV owners as well. So

527
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Speaker 2: a lot of my friends who own them already are

528
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Speaker 2: feeling a little bit miffed that they were incentivized to

529
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: get into this and they're still saving money compared to

530
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Speaker 2: a petrol engine, but maybe not as much as they expected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, we've got a plug in hybrid, but it's

532
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: an older one. It's like a twenty sixteen, and so

533
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Speaker 1: the battery on it isn't great, so we don't get

534
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: a lot of K's pure battery. So it really does

535
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Speaker 1: most of the time rate more like a non plug

536
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: in hybrid, like a regular hybrid, but we still have

537
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Speaker 1: to pay the bloody road user charges on that. I

538
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: think they haven't really done a great job, because there

539
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Speaker 1: are going to be plugging hybrids where you'll get fifty

540
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Speaker 1: to one hundred k's on ev ours is more like twenty,

541
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Speaker 1: So it feels a little bit unfair, but hey, I

542
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: guess you know, eventually we are going to be moving

543
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Speaker 1: into that space where every car has a flat road

544
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: user charge anyway rather than petrol taxes. So once we

545
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Speaker 1: get there, really it's not going to make much difference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Starlink, I was very impressed. I went to the

547
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Speaker 2: Cook Islands, there was a big mobile outage there and

548
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Speaker 2: they just happened that day to be installing Stylink in

549
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Speaker 2: the airbnb we were out. I wasn't just incredibly impressed

550
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Speaker 2: at how easy it was for them to set that up.

551
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Speaker 2: It was literally a fifteen minute job, and then I

552
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: was online fast transfer speeds. So that is an absolute

553
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 2: game changer, and I think that's reflected in just the

554
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Speaker 2: uptake at least thirty seven thousand, probably more like forty

555
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: thousand connections in New Zealand. Now they're generating something like

556
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Speaker 2: seventy out eighty million dollars in revenue in New Zealand.

557
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: So in the space of a couple of years they've

558
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Speaker 2: just come from out of nowhere to be a major

559
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Speaker 2: telecommunications provider. They've just launched Stylink Mini, so the main

560
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: Stylink terminal they keep heavily discounting it. That's three hundred

561
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Speaker 2: and ninety nine dollars, and then you pay seventy nine

562
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Speaker 2: dollars a month for residential light. They've re badged that recently.

563
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Speaker 2: It used to be called a deprioritized plan and one

564
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty nine for prioritize, so obviously that branding

565
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: was not ideal, so they've rebranded it. But Stylin Mini

566
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Speaker 2: is actually more expensive terminal. It's six hundred ninety nine,

567
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: very compact, you can put it in a backpack. But

568
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Speaker 2: for people in rural areas, people who have flaky coverage

569
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: and can afford it, especially if you can afford to

570
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: pay one hundred and fifty nine dollars a month if

571
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Speaker 2: you have a small business. Wow, what a great service.

572
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Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the kind of weird and

573
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Speaker 1: wacky stuff that we maybe didn't try, but we have

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Speaker 1: seen around and think is worth chatting about. You have

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Speaker 1: here one that really peaked my interest, which was the

576
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Speaker 1: thoroughface mass. So can you give a little bit of

577
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Speaker 1: a background on why that's on our list.

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00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll put an image of this on the website

579
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: because it is quite bizarre. FDA cleared. Apparently, it's an

580
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: LED face mask that delivers red and red plus for

581
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: red and blue light onto your skin, as well as

582
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: so called tension relieving vibration therapy, so vibrates your skin

583
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: to give you healthier looking skin with a visible reduction

584
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Speaker 2: and fine lines and dark spots and as little as

585
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Speaker 2: eight weeks.

586
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Speaker 1: Fair a face. Get in touch. If you'd like to

587
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: use that as your voiceover for your ads, I'm sure

588
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: we can arrange a deal.

589
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Seven hundred bucks Australia. I have seen a few skincare

590
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: sort of stores and beauty treatment places are selling it here,

591
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: so it's probably more like eight hundred bucks. Look, I've

592
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: got no idea of the efficacy of this sort of thing.

593
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: It looks ridiculous. It probably feels ridiculous to weird as well,

594
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: particularly if this thing is vibrating on your face. But look,

595
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Speaker 2: they're selling a truckload of them in the US by

596
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Speaker 2: the looks of things.

597
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I had a good look because I was

598
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: curious as to whether it would work, and from trying

599
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: to unearth these clinical Some of these clinical studies, a

600
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: lot of them are small scale. So I looked at

601
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Speaker 1: some meta studies and they do appear to have some

602
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: evidence of efficacy when using LED lights. I don't know

603
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: if you need an eight hundred dollars mask to deliver

604
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: LED lights to your face. I'm sure they're probably more

605
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: cost effective ways of doing it. But look, if you

606
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: want to have the latest and greatest, then that seems

607
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: like a good option.

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00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: A few sort of big fails I think this year. Obviously,

609
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: the Rabbit R one and the Humane AI pin needs

610
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: sort of AI devices, so trying to build a piece

611
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: of hardware with an AI assistant built into it really

612
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: fell flat. The Apple Vision Pro I had to play

613
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: with it, loved it. I think it's a stunning device,

614
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: but it's it's a device with nowhere to go at

615
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: the moment. Really, they've stopped production off the the Vision

616
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: Pro while they figure out how to create a cheaper model.

617
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: And the co Pilot Plus PCs were probably the most

618
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: overhyped and underperforming sort of segments off the year. We

619
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: looked at a Microsoft Surface Book, which was an okay device,

620
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: but you know, based on arm processes a Snapdragon processes.

621
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Speaker 2: This is a big move by Microsoft to partner up

622
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: with arm. It's still only like one percent of the market,

623
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Speaker 2: so it really hasn't taken off this year. And just

624
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: the underwhelming performance of Copilot as well, using a supercharge

625
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: version of paint to create landscapes and you know, having

626
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: Copilot in the background there. But you know you have

627
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: to pay for all the good stuff to summarize your

628
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: email and create PowerPoint slides and all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: So not a great start.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah.

631
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: I say, yeah, So, just wrapping up, Ben, let's gaze

632
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: forward to twenty twenty five. I mean, as I said,

633
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 2: I think this is a bit of a gap year.

634
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: Do you expect to see any major advances in any

635
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: particular categories off tech in twenty twenty five? If so,

636
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: which ones are you sort of picking to be quite spectacular? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll see the massive leap forward

638
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. It's possible, but I do think

639
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: and you put it here, but smart glasses, I don't

640
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: know whether they're going to be something that people will

641
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: generally wear all the time, but I think they might

642
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: start to find their niches for certain uses a lot

643
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: more so the soul sol e reader glasses, which some

644
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: people seem to really like. So you put glasses on

645
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: and you've got your book there and you read that way.

646
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I might say that we might finally see

647
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: some strong consumer products in the glasses market coming out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got Meta unveiled Oriyan that will be a

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Speaker 2: few years away, but that is their big play for

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Speaker 2: smart glasses. They've already got the ray bands out there

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Speaker 2: at the moment, which aren't available here, but they have

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Speaker 2: AI functionality built into them, so they will progress that.

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Speaker 2: Google unveiled Android XR, it's platform for smart glasses, just

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Speaker 2: last week. Soviously Google Glass was a failure for Google,

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Speaker 2: but they've never given up on that idea, and so

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty excited about that as someone who lives in

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Speaker 2: the Google world. To be able to have Google Maps

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Speaker 2: come up in the bottom of the lens of your

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Speaker 2: glass showing you where to go, to be able to

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Speaker 2: recognize buildings and objects and give you information about them

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Speaker 2: without having to take out your phone and look at it.

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Speaker 2: Love the idea of that. I think that's the future

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Speaker 2: of format that's going to reduce our alliance on that

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Speaker 2: rectangle in our pocket all the time, so love that.

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Speaker 2: The other category, I think we will see a lot

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Speaker 2: of progress. We probably probably won't see them walking around yet,

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Speaker 2: but as humanoid robots, we've seen a lot of progress

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Speaker 2: with the Atlas robot, for instance, from Boston Robotics that

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Speaker 2: moved from sort of a hydraulic design to fully electric design,

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Speaker 2: so that's made it a lot more effective. This stuff

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Speaker 2: will be useful both in the industrial and business context,

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Speaker 2: but also in the aged care industry and in hospitality

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Speaker 2: in retael and hopefully one day as a humanoid companion

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Speaker 2: for all of us.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about hopefully. Maybe I don't know why

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Speaker 1: we need it to be humanoid. I'm still confused on

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Speaker 1: that point. But you know, maybe I'm a luddite when

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Speaker 1: it comes to these particular things. I still push back

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Speaker 1: a little bit on the idea that we need something humanoid,

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Speaker 1: but hey, I could be wrong. One of our listeners

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Speaker 1: Michael Spicer. He pointed to a company called proto Hologram,

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Speaker 1: which can produce these boxes that you can show a

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Speaker 1: holographic three D representation so it looks like it's standing

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Speaker 1: in your space of a person or an object and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a neat thing proto hologram. I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to call that out. I think it's interesting and

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Speaker 1: could potentially progress in the coming years to change the

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Speaker 1: way that we communicate. Probably not next year, but maybe

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Speaker 1: down the line. You know, rather than just having FaceTime,

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Speaker 1: we could actually hologram in to visit people in hospital

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Speaker 1: or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've seen a few high profile examples of that,

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Speaker 2: I think when one New Zealand Jason Parris did a

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Speaker 2: holographic sort of thing on stage. So we've seen it

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Speaker 2: sort of very high end holograph stuff that needs a

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Speaker 2: team of engineers to make sure it all works. But

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Speaker 2: as you say, when it is a replacement for FaceTime

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Speaker 2: where you can literally put your phone down and create

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Speaker 2: a holograph, that's very powerful and it's very difficult to do,

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Speaker 2: so it's going to take a while, but it is possible,

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Speaker 2: technically possible. I've seen some great holographic stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely one to watch, and yeah, I think Apple

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Speaker 1: going foldable seems to be something that may happen next year.

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Speaker 1: Foldable technology, obviously, it's come a long way, is pretty smooth. Now,

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Speaker 1: Like we mentioned, the Motorola razer. But Apple might finally

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Speaker 1: be bowing to pressure and delivering us a foldable starting

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Speaker 1: with the iPad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the rumors are just in the last couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks a twenty inch iPad foldable iPad. And the thing

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Speaker 2: that Apple really don't like about foldables is the crease.

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Speaker 2: They want a flawless They're moving to olead screens, so

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Speaker 2: they want to flawless o lead experience beautiful display, which

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Speaker 2: the iPad is well known for. So they're working on

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Speaker 2: a way to completely eliminate the crease. And they think

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Speaker 2: they're on the right track. So whether we see an

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Speaker 2: iPad debut first or a foldable iPhone effectively a flip

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Speaker 2: phone for the iPhone, they've moved into the formal R

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Speaker 2: and D stage and product development off that. So they've

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Speaker 2: got prototypes, but now they're moving closer towards something that

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Speaker 2: they will produce as a mass market device.

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Speaker 1: And I guess the big thing that we can expect

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Speaker 1: if the rumors are true is agentic A Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's again overhyped and a bit underwhelming. At

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Speaker 2: the moment, they're out there, the agents are out there.

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Speaker 2: You can as a salesforce agent you can go in

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Speaker 2: and create one of these things to I guess, automate

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Speaker 2: a task. But you know when it gets really useful

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Speaker 2: is when we can set up agents ourselves in our lives.

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Speaker 2: It's not just when you're interacting with a big company

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Speaker 2: that will automate things on your behalf. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I want you to respond to my emails and put

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Speaker 2: stuff in my calendar and organize my documents in this

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Speaker 2: way and do it all autonomously, and I will keep

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Speaker 2: check and balances and keep oversight off it. That's what

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Speaker 2: I really want. And we're still some way away from that,

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we will remain so for several years.

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Speaker 1: I think that the promises of it coming in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five may be greatly exaggerated personally from what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 2: I just.

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Speaker 1: I just think that we've got a lot of excited

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Speaker 1: companies who want to make their shareholders feel good. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's twenty twenty four's Gadgets and Review. Did we

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Speaker 1: miss any Let us know what was something super exciting

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Speaker 1: that you thought that you played with or saw this

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Speaker 1: year that you think we should have mentioned, And what's

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Speaker 1: the thing that you're most looking forward to next year.

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Speaker 2: Get in touch with us. We've got a LinkedIn page

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Speaker 2: the Business of Tech podcast. We'd love you to follow

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00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: that and a great way to keep up to date

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00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: with all of our updates. But you can find Being

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Speaker 2: and Myself on LinkedIn. We're also still clinging on on

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Speaker 2: x Sick for Yourself Blue Sky as well, so increasing

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Speaker 2: you'll find this on blue Sky and LinkedIn. But you

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Speaker 2: know that was episode eighty one of the Business of Tech.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear your feedback from what you'd like

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00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: to hear more off next year as season three off

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Speaker 2: The Business of Tech, and we will be featuring some

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Speaker 2: of the top thinkers and leaders in technology once again

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Speaker 2: from New Zealand and around the world.

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Speaker 1: Who do you want us to speak to? Think? Beg

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Speaker 1: Think you know, if you could hear us speak to

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Speaker 1: anybody in the world, let us know who that would be.

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Speaker 1: No holds, but we're really looking forward to next year.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sticking with us throughout this

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Speaker 1: year and we hope that this has been a nice

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Speaker 1: bit of light relief at the end of a long

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Speaker 1: year for you.

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Speaker 2: It has been a tough year, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: doing it very tough a lot of people in business struggling,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully take a decent break, recharge, reset, have a

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Speaker 2: great Christmas and New Year, and we'll see you in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So you then