1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,733 Speaker 1: from News Talks at B. 3 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:17,133 Speaker 2: How many times has your boyfriend said, are we always talking? 4 00:00:17,133 --> 00:00:28,693 Speaker 2: Actually sweet? All the time you've spent on Honestly, it's 5 00:00:28,933 --> 00:00:41,333 Speaker 2: actually real, man, Really, God, no, thank you. 6 00:00:41,413 --> 00:00:45,333 Speaker 3: That is actually romantic. Tell us for a song from 7 00:00:45,373 --> 00:00:47,493 Speaker 3: her new album, The Life of a show Girl. That's 8 00:00:47,493 --> 00:00:50,933 Speaker 3: a diss track about Charlie x ex. The man to 9 00:00:51,013 --> 00:00:54,693 Speaker 3: explain exactly what she's dissing and what that's all about 10 00:00:54,813 --> 00:00:56,693 Speaker 3: is Chris Schultz. He's listened to the album and is 11 00:00:56,733 --> 00:00:58,213 Speaker 3: with us now and he listened to the album and 12 00:00:58,293 --> 00:01:00,453 Speaker 3: an album listening party of all places I did. 13 00:01:00,533 --> 00:01:03,333 Speaker 4: Yeah, six pm last night, I trudged along to Real 14 00:01:03,493 --> 00:01:06,093 Speaker 4: Groovy Records in Auckland Central. I thought they were going 15 00:01:06,133 --> 00:01:08,893 Speaker 4: to be use out the door of teenagers desperate to 16 00:01:08,933 --> 00:01:11,053 Speaker 4: hear this thing, to get their hands on the vinyl. 17 00:01:11,293 --> 00:01:13,333 Speaker 4: It wasn't like that. It was quite muted. There were 18 00:01:13,373 --> 00:01:16,173 Speaker 4: probably only a quarter to a third of the people 19 00:01:16,253 --> 00:01:19,053 Speaker 4: that were there for the last one. Yeah, I should explain. 20 00:01:19,133 --> 00:01:20,533 Speaker 4: I've got eleven year old. 21 00:01:20,493 --> 00:01:23,253 Speaker 3: Done and feel like you have to explain. This is 22 00:01:23,293 --> 00:01:24,493 Speaker 3: a no judgment zone. 23 00:01:24,493 --> 00:01:27,333 Speaker 4: Saturday Morning. Do you know that I did think about 24 00:01:27,373 --> 00:01:29,613 Speaker 4: queuing for the glitter face paint. Yeah you know that 25 00:01:29,853 --> 00:01:34,413 Speaker 4: step two too fa. Yeah. The response was quite muted. 26 00:01:35,573 --> 00:01:38,613 Speaker 4: There wasn't a lot as much screaming from the teenagers 27 00:01:38,613 --> 00:01:41,173 Speaker 4: this time, and I think that's because the album is 28 00:01:41,333 --> 00:01:44,093 Speaker 4: it does just feel like a shiny little relic of 29 00:01:44,133 --> 00:01:49,933 Speaker 4: the past. It's gleaming. She's worked with the producers who 30 00:01:49,933 --> 00:01:52,693 Speaker 4: made her biggest songs, Max Martin and Shellback. They're the 31 00:01:52,693 --> 00:01:55,613 Speaker 4: ones who helped her write the songs that reverberated around 32 00:01:55,693 --> 00:01:58,813 Speaker 4: stadiums all through the eras to her. So she's going 33 00:01:58,893 --> 00:02:02,173 Speaker 4: back to that the reputation era, that kind of thing, 34 00:02:02,773 --> 00:02:05,973 Speaker 4: and it doesn't always work because things have moved on 35 00:02:06,013 --> 00:02:07,893 Speaker 4: a bit pop. You know, if you look at Charlie 36 00:02:08,093 --> 00:02:11,573 Speaker 4: xy X's Brat, if you look at Lord's Virgin, these 37 00:02:11,573 --> 00:02:14,973 Speaker 4: are missy pop albums there. They're all over the place. 38 00:02:15,573 --> 00:02:17,933 Speaker 4: They're sort of working themselves out. And this is not that. 39 00:02:18,053 --> 00:02:21,013 Speaker 4: This is like a shiny, gleaming car, new car sitting 40 00:02:21,013 --> 00:02:25,173 Speaker 4: in a driveway, all spotless and yeah, right clean and decise. 41 00:02:25,413 --> 00:02:27,773 Speaker 4: You can you can feel the polish on it. 42 00:02:28,213 --> 00:02:30,773 Speaker 3: I felt like it was a bit like it's funny 43 00:02:30,773 --> 00:02:32,533 Speaker 3: that you said, it was a bit of a muted response. 44 00:02:32,573 --> 00:02:34,653 Speaker 3: I felt like the album itself was a bit mutant, 45 00:02:34,813 --> 00:02:38,213 Speaker 3: like and maybe like I was expecting big stadium bangers perhaps, 46 00:02:38,733 --> 00:02:40,813 Speaker 3: and that's where I kind of went roight, Like it 47 00:02:40,893 --> 00:02:43,813 Speaker 3: felt a little bit low energy to me. And I've 48 00:02:43,853 --> 00:02:46,133 Speaker 3: only listened to it once, so, like, you know, and 49 00:02:46,173 --> 00:02:50,213 Speaker 3: I'm no expert, but I sort of expected like really 50 00:02:50,333 --> 00:02:52,973 Speaker 3: big radio play, like hey we go, and instead it 51 00:02:53,013 --> 00:02:54,773 Speaker 3: was just like, oh, you know, like that was that 52 00:02:54,893 --> 00:02:56,773 Speaker 3: actually romantic? Was the probably the Catcher song? 53 00:02:58,693 --> 00:03:00,693 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, Elizabeth Taylor is the one that stood out 54 00:03:00,733 --> 00:03:01,133 Speaker 4: for me. 55 00:03:01,293 --> 00:03:01,453 Speaker 1: Right. 56 00:03:02,133 --> 00:03:03,653 Speaker 4: There could be a couple of reasons for that. You know, 57 00:03:03,813 --> 00:03:06,533 Speaker 4: it's coming from a different place. She's she's quite be 58 00:03:06,573 --> 00:03:08,413 Speaker 4: in her life right now, like she's at the title 59 00:03:08,493 --> 00:03:11,213 Speaker 4: of the Titan Pole. She hasn't had a breakup, she's engaged, 60 00:03:11,253 --> 00:03:14,333 Speaker 4: she's getting married. You know, that doesn't necessarily make for 61 00:03:14,373 --> 00:03:17,453 Speaker 4: the most interesting art. Yeah. The other thing is she 62 00:03:17,493 --> 00:03:21,053 Speaker 4: hasn't really given us a break from like the Taylor swift, 63 00:03:21,253 --> 00:03:25,533 Speaker 4: the pop culture phenomenon. It's just been ubiquitous for years now. 64 00:03:25,613 --> 00:03:28,093 Speaker 4: She's only just finished the eras to her that went 65 00:03:28,133 --> 00:03:31,013 Speaker 4: for two years, one hundred and forty nine stops famously 66 00:03:31,053 --> 00:03:33,253 Speaker 4: not New Zealand, by the way, I'll get that in there. 67 00:03:33,693 --> 00:03:37,213 Speaker 4: But there hasn't been a chance to build anticipation for this, 68 00:03:37,333 --> 00:03:39,333 Speaker 4: and I think even if she'd waited another six months, 69 00:03:39,373 --> 00:03:40,853 Speaker 4: it might have been more of an event. 70 00:03:41,173 --> 00:03:44,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. Actually, I wonder if, yeah, 71 00:03:44,213 --> 00:03:46,733 Speaker 3: I suppose it depends when the wedding's going to be. Yeah, 72 00:03:46,773 --> 00:03:49,853 Speaker 3: that'll there'll be something that no doubt fits in with 73 00:03:49,933 --> 00:03:53,253 Speaker 3: that relatively elegantly. But yeah, it's yeah, you feel like 74 00:03:53,253 --> 00:03:55,813 Speaker 3: it's kind of just looking back a little bit. 75 00:03:55,893 --> 00:03:58,253 Speaker 4: Maybe I would caution though, that we did feel this 76 00:03:58,293 --> 00:04:01,253 Speaker 4: way about the Torch of Poets Departments right at the time. 77 00:04:01,333 --> 00:04:03,733 Speaker 4: It does take time for these songs to sink, and 78 00:04:04,613 --> 00:04:08,013 Speaker 4: there are hooks here. This is not a badly written 79 00:04:08,013 --> 00:04:10,653 Speaker 4: album by any stretch of the imagination. There's a few plunkers. 80 00:04:11,173 --> 00:04:13,613 Speaker 4: I'd point out wood the song would, which is apparently 81 00:04:13,733 --> 00:04:17,933 Speaker 4: about her fiance. There is a lot of innuendo in 82 00:04:17,973 --> 00:04:18,493 Speaker 4: that song. 83 00:04:18,813 --> 00:04:22,373 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not going to say name alone suggestive. 84 00:04:22,533 --> 00:04:26,173 Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, it's going where you think it's going to, right, right, Okay, 85 00:04:26,293 --> 00:04:29,293 Speaker 4: But there's ear worms and they could take time to 86 00:04:29,893 --> 00:04:30,653 Speaker 4: really sink in. 87 00:04:30,813 --> 00:04:33,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the other thing again. Sometimes when you've 88 00:04:33,173 --> 00:04:34,773 Speaker 3: only just had a tiny little window to listen to 89 00:04:34,813 --> 00:04:37,573 Speaker 3: it once or twice, you don't fully appreciate what are 90 00:04:37,613 --> 00:04:39,453 Speaker 3: going to be the catchiest talks. What is the deal 91 00:04:39,493 --> 00:04:40,413 Speaker 3: with Charlie xx? 92 00:04:40,413 --> 00:04:40,773 Speaker 1: Do you know. 93 00:04:43,173 --> 00:04:45,773 Speaker 4: Two grown men discussing dramas? 94 00:04:46,173 --> 00:04:46,373 Speaker 3: Yeah? 95 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:53,693 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Charlie Xx. It goes back to a relationship 96 00:04:54,373 --> 00:04:57,373 Speaker 4: one of the nineteen seventy five members, and they used 97 00:04:57,373 --> 00:04:59,813 Speaker 4: to see each other backstage. Charlie XX write a really 98 00:04:59,933 --> 00:05:02,653 Speaker 4: nuanced song about it on Bratt about how she'd see 99 00:05:02,733 --> 00:05:05,453 Speaker 4: Charlie she'd see Taylor Swift backstage and realize I could 100 00:05:05,453 --> 00:05:07,853 Speaker 4: never be you. She put all this in a song 101 00:05:08,773 --> 00:05:13,413 Speaker 4: and this is Taylor Swift's response. Yeah, she's heading back, 102 00:05:13,413 --> 00:05:15,653 Speaker 4: but in a way that kind of feels a little mean, 103 00:05:16,213 --> 00:05:18,853 Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? Like Charlie XCX also 104 00:05:18,893 --> 00:05:21,053 Speaker 4: did this to Lort and they worked it out on 105 00:05:21,093 --> 00:05:25,253 Speaker 4: the remix famously Girl so confusing, But Taylor Swift isn't 106 00:05:25,293 --> 00:05:28,213 Speaker 4: doing that, she really is just kind of it feels 107 00:05:28,653 --> 00:05:31,773 Speaker 4: like she's attacking Charlie. Exciting when you're at the top, 108 00:05:32,333 --> 00:05:35,893 Speaker 4: you're always punching out. It feels I mean that the 109 00:05:35,933 --> 00:05:38,773 Speaker 4: reaction to it has been that maybe she shouldn't have 110 00:05:38,973 --> 00:05:39,293 Speaker 4: done that. 111 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:42,293 Speaker 3: Done that interesting? Okay, so would you give it? 112 00:05:42,893 --> 00:05:44,333 Speaker 4: I think i'd give it three and a half. 113 00:05:44,613 --> 00:05:44,853 Speaker 3: Jack. 114 00:05:45,133 --> 00:05:46,973 Speaker 4: It's not her best album by any shot. 115 00:05:47,253 --> 00:05:47,453 Speaker 2: You know. 116 00:05:47,493 --> 00:05:50,053 Speaker 4: The big criticism that's come out of the reviews I've 117 00:05:50,053 --> 00:05:52,333 Speaker 4: read is that she's done all of this before and better. 118 00:05:52,493 --> 00:05:54,893 Speaker 4: And I do agree with that, right, but I would 119 00:05:54,893 --> 00:05:57,413 Speaker 4: just caution that could move up to a four over time. 120 00:05:57,493 --> 00:06:00,373 Speaker 4: It's only been nineteen hours since this album came out. 121 00:06:00,573 --> 00:06:02,213 Speaker 4: That is not enough time to really get your head 122 00:06:02,213 --> 00:06:03,413 Speaker 4: around a Taylor Swift album. 123 00:06:03,573 --> 00:06:05,533 Speaker 3: No, And the good news is, of course, that we're 124 00:06:05,533 --> 00:06:08,493 Speaker 3: sitting and happy time pinning of opportunity because this album 125 00:06:08,613 --> 00:06:10,053 Speaker 3: is going to be everywhere. 126 00:06:10,133 --> 00:06:11,973 Speaker 4: If you want to go to the movie theaters this week, 127 00:06:12,013 --> 00:06:14,533 Speaker 4: and good luck, she is dominating movie theater. 128 00:06:14,653 --> 00:06:17,293 Speaker 3: See. That's that's mate, Like, this is the thing. And 129 00:06:17,373 --> 00:06:19,653 Speaker 3: I've had a few texts come in this morning, So Jack, oh, 130 00:06:19,693 --> 00:06:22,013 Speaker 3: why why are you going on about Taylor Swift? I mean, 131 00:06:22,493 --> 00:06:24,533 Speaker 3: I'm not a big Taylor Swift fan necessarily, but I 132 00:06:24,533 --> 00:06:29,173 Speaker 3: can appreciate that she is a social phenomenon. She is 133 00:06:29,333 --> 00:06:33,293 Speaker 3: a colossus in our culture. Right now, So thank you 134 00:06:33,413 --> 00:06:35,253 Speaker 3: very much. Three and a half out of five you 135 00:06:35,333 --> 00:06:37,293 Speaker 3: reckon the Life of a show Girl is worth We're 136 00:06:37,293 --> 00:06:38,893 Speaker 3: going to pick out the Life of a show Girl. 137 00:06:38,893 --> 00:06:39,413 Speaker 1: We'll play that. 138 00:06:39,373 --> 00:06:41,333 Speaker 3: Song in a couple of minutes on News Talks Chris Shultz. 139 00:06:41,333 --> 00:06:43,853 Speaker 3: Of course, you can find them on substack. His substack 140 00:06:43,973 --> 00:06:45,453 Speaker 3: is called boiler Room. 141 00:06:46,053 --> 00:06:49,173 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live 142 00:06:49,253 --> 00:06:52,053 Speaker 1: to News Talks he'd be from nine am Saturday, or 143 00:06:52,133 --> 00:06:54,053 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.