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Speaker 2: As I said, it's good to be in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: We've just arrived inside the last hour or so and

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is great to be back gazing Nancy Elliott Anger,

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Speaker 4: great to hear you've patched packed the budgy smugglers or

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Speaker 4: gone with the latex pillow option and I will leave

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Speaker 4: you to that later.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the loc at reception was running me through the

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Speaker 3: options and there are many and I look forward to

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Speaker 3: We here for six nights and there are six options.

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Speaker 3: pressed microfiber, we are going to get a good night's sleep.

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Speaker 3: But we are here for the Test match between the

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Speaker 3: All Blacks and Australia gap and a big Test match

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Speaker 3: at that Liam. The All Blacks heading into this one

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Speaker 3: haven't lost to Australia in a few years, but you

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Speaker 3: know they're under a little bit of pressure given those

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Speaker 3: defeats in the Republic and leading to set things up

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Speaker 3: for you know, the Blooder's Low Cup and retaining that

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Speaker 5: A pretty intense back drop, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: The Great Seal Blacks almost a bit of a lose

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Speaker 4: lose situation coming to face the Wallabies Arabic they are

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Speaker 4: the Wolves really potentially start to cave in. The Wallabies

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Speaker 4: are coming off that massive defeat in Argentina where they

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Speaker 4: conceded sixty seven points, so you think it'll be quite

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Speaker 5: They need a win. Lost three of the last four.

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Speaker 4: They did some things really well in South Africa but

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Speaker 4: couldn't get over the line. But this is uncharted territory

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Speaker 4: for Raza, really, isn't it. A perennial winning coach who's

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Speaker 3: Really no, And look test matches and building a test

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Speaker 3: it's been spelled up pretty clearly in the last few

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Speaker 3: rugbit's all about wins and you're expected to win every

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Speaker 2: From some quarters, some quarters not so much.

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Speaker 3: But I think there's probably a feeling that you know,

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Speaker 3: this All Blacks team is building. They do need to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to a degree, I think there's the overriding emotion.

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Speaker 4: We've gone into the last quarter failings, but there I

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Speaker 4: The four pack fronted well the scrum. I would expect

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Speaker 5: So it's certainly not all doom and gloom.

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Speaker 3: You wrote a piece saying it's time to embrace basically

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Speaker 4: I just think it's very evident in what we've seen

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Speaker 4: My feeling is Ras has been very conservative in his

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Speaker 4: You can understand that to a degree, But I just

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Speaker 4: Wallace to Tt, Billy Proctor, Cortratama. I know Ken Rogard's

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Speaker 4: So it's the youth that's really starting to put their

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Speaker 4: You know, it's massive changes and coaching and the head

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Speaker 4: that's not easy because you don't get time to find

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Speaker 3: Well, I think so and you know someone like Billy

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Speaker 3: it's not about getting players game time, but it is

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Speaker 3: Over the next four years and ultimately that is their

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Speaker 3: But those players stood up and took their chances. I

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Speaker 2: So that in mind.

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Speaker 3: I guess we look at the match of this week, Lamb,

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Speaker 2: The Australian in Toney?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I hope so, I really do.

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Speaker 4: I think both of us have been strong advocates, particularly

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Speaker 4: I think the style of play, I expect this test

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Speaker 4: a Sam Kaine. There is a rationale for picking Sam

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Speaker 4: be tired, physical, it's combative, and he played really well.

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Speaker 4: But he's not the future of this All Black team.

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Speaker 4: So let's start finding out what is the future, particularly

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Speaker 4: around the composition of the loose forwards.

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Speaker 5: So I want to see Walla.

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Speaker 4: because I think he is feeling the weight of expectation

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Speaker 5: I know he's been in and out through injury.

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Speaker 4: But he did make one crucial error in that game,

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Speaker 4: you know, So I think there is a lot more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think moving Scott Barrett to blindside is

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Speaker 3: a long term option for the All Blacks. He's clearly

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Speaker 3: one of the best, probably the best lock in the country,

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Speaker 3: so I I think the time that he's played blindside

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Speaker 3: have considered on the blindside option. While as TG I

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Speaker 3: the body size, the build. I'd be reluctant a little

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Speaker 3: bit to do it because I think tupervised now becoming

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Speaker 3: the lock that the All Black selectors in twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: Peter Luck, I think he has to be in that squat.

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Speaker 4: He's not there now, but he has to be there

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Speaker 5: I just think I think Ethan Blackhead.

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Speaker 3: But again, this is all about this year is yessue

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Speaker 3: I think Marchally is an interesting one. I think he

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Speaker 5: What so you yeah?

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Speaker 4: so he needs more time there. And Mark Talia, I

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Speaker 5: This coaching team hasn't put a lot of faith in them.

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Speaker 4: His style should suit the Wallabies, great chance to build

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Speaker 4: interesting to see that long turn. But for this weekend

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Speaker 3: A bit of discussion around Rico Yuwanne and his spot

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Speaker 3: I think Caleb Clark's deserving of that wing spot, especial

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Speaker 3: don't think you moved Rico Yuani at this point. I mean,

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Speaker 4: It is an interesting discuss, so it should be a

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Speaker 5: I think you're in this chat as well, you know.

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Speaker 4: How do you feel about potentially going back to the wing.

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Speaker 4: And his response was quite curtain to the point. Look,

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Speaker 3: Well he's not, but he's not slipping the team. And yep,

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Speaker 4: Like to see Rico have a start on the wing

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Speaker 4: I want to see Billy Propter starting this weekend, but

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Speaker 3: No I suspect And this is you know whether the

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Speaker 2: The Promised Land. But what do you do with Patrick now?

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Speaker 3: Two point us had a very very good season to

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Speaker 4: He comes off the bench, because what an athletes to

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Speaker 4: that's an area that the All Blacks need to address.

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Speaker 4: They tried to do that by putting Boden Barrett and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Rubin Love and George Bower if you include him as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, another guy that we haven't seen yet.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you chuck him out against the box yet.

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Speaker 4: But when we talk about these guys, Plumber, Pasilio, Tossi,

435
00:21:51,693 --> 00:21:54,293
Speaker 4: you know, George Bell, Peter Luckey, these guys are the

436
00:21:54,293 --> 00:21:57,573
Speaker 4: future Billy Proctor, Ruben Love and at some point you've

437
00:21:57,573 --> 00:21:59,613
Speaker 4: got to find out about them. Yeah, and the only

438
00:21:59,653 --> 00:22:01,533
Speaker 4: way to do that is to expose them. We've seen

439
00:22:01,613 --> 00:22:04,533
Speaker 4: Wallace a t step in and yes he missed three tackles,

440
00:22:04,573 --> 00:22:07,773
Speaker 4: but he also broke broke six, so that's the upside.

441
00:22:08,573 --> 00:22:12,893
Speaker 4: So you've got incumbents and some of them playing well,

442
00:22:12,933 --> 00:22:14,933
Speaker 4: but some of them aren't. And that's where these difficult

443
00:22:14,973 --> 00:22:18,013
Speaker 4: decisions need to be made. We're halfway into the season

444
00:22:18,093 --> 00:22:22,333
Speaker 4: now hasn't gone well, so let's make some hard calls,

445
00:22:22,373 --> 00:22:24,733
Speaker 4: find out some answers, give these guys a bit of chance,

446
00:22:24,813 --> 00:22:27,453
Speaker 4: and yes it's a balancing act, but I just need

447
00:22:27,533 --> 00:22:30,093
Speaker 4: I want to see some brave and bold selections.

448
00:22:30,413 --> 00:22:32,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, on that all.

449
00:22:32,253 --> 00:22:34,773
Speaker 3: Blake's halfway through the season, seven tests down seven to

450
00:22:34,813 --> 00:22:37,693
Speaker 3: come give us grade.

451
00:22:37,853 --> 00:22:40,893
Speaker 4: Only it's just a pass mark for me, five out

452
00:22:40,893 --> 00:22:45,053
Speaker 4: of ten and that's just scraping by four and three.

453
00:22:45,573 --> 00:22:50,213
Speaker 4: So you're what is it fifty fifty six percent for

454
00:22:50,333 --> 00:22:55,013
Speaker 4: Raza to this point mid point in the year, two

455
00:22:55,373 --> 00:22:58,773
Speaker 4: very patchy wins against England's the Bowden cameo won them

456
00:22:58,773 --> 00:23:02,173
Speaker 4: the second Test at Eden Park, bad loss to Argentina

457
00:23:02,213 --> 00:23:07,373
Speaker 4: at home responded really well and then performed well in

458
00:23:07,533 --> 00:23:11,813
Speaker 4: South Africa Blue. It's so I've been underwhelmed to this point,

459
00:23:11,853 --> 00:23:12,613
Speaker 4: to be honest.

460
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Speaker 2: Five and a half out of ten for me, you're

461
00:23:14,853 --> 00:23:18,053
Speaker 2: always a bit more. You will sea get degrees.

462
00:23:18,133 --> 00:23:24,733
Speaker 3: Past mark across cross Australia this weekend.

463
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Speaker 2: Off the back of that heavy defeat.

464
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Speaker 3: Against Argentina In Argentina, do we see a response from

465
00:23:32,693 --> 00:23:34,253
Speaker 3: Australia Do they have it in them? What can we

466
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Speaker 3: expect from Australia this week?

467
00:23:37,253 --> 00:23:41,013
Speaker 4: I don't expect them to be that bad, but you

468
00:23:41,053 --> 00:23:45,733
Speaker 4: look through that team and you're still missing some some

469
00:23:46,093 --> 00:23:49,253
Speaker 4: rare experience, some proven test experience. There's no Will Skelton,

470
00:23:50,093 --> 00:23:53,493
Speaker 4: they've gone away from Kuwaid Cooper. Still some big question

471
00:23:53,573 --> 00:23:57,573
Speaker 4: marks at ten some of carev. You know, these guys

472
00:23:57,613 --> 00:24:00,453
Speaker 4: that have been there, done that are absent and so

473
00:24:00,493 --> 00:24:01,853
Speaker 4: there's massive question marks.

474
00:24:01,853 --> 00:24:02,653
Speaker 5: I think they're blooded.

475
00:24:03,093 --> 00:24:08,733
Speaker 4: You fifteen odd test staboots this year, so I expect

476
00:24:08,773 --> 00:24:12,253
Speaker 4: them to improve. They'll be hurting massively. That needs to

477
00:24:12,253 --> 00:24:14,013
Speaker 4: be a line in the sand for them to say

478
00:24:14,333 --> 00:24:17,373
Speaker 4: we are not that bad and we cannot perform like

479
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Speaker 4: that again. They were up twenty to three and they

480
00:24:20,533 --> 00:24:23,973
Speaker 4: lost sixty seven twenty seven or something like that, so

481
00:24:24,013 --> 00:24:28,173
Speaker 4: they conceded massive amount of points. You know, test sit

482
00:24:28,293 --> 00:24:31,813
Speaker 4: side should not be folding like that. They're at home.

483
00:24:32,533 --> 00:24:34,973
Speaker 4: They'll fly under the radar. They've got nothing to lose.

484
00:24:35,173 --> 00:24:37,613
Speaker 4: It's a free shot at the All Blacks. Nobody expects

485
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Speaker 4: them to win. To even really get close, they have

486
00:24:41,893 --> 00:24:43,173
Speaker 4: to be better, you think.

487
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Speaker 3: So they are going to fly under the radar this

488
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Speaker 3: week in Sydney. Any hopes so many. They'll get a

489
00:24:47,173 --> 00:24:49,773
Speaker 3: good crowd, but any hopes of sort of media coverage

490
00:24:49,813 --> 00:24:52,373
Speaker 3: I think are going to be They'll be fighting for

491
00:24:52,373 --> 00:24:56,453
Speaker 3: commspaces with two big Nral elimination games this weekend and

492
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Speaker 3: the Sydney Swan's playing in a Grand final qualify the

493
00:24:58,693 --> 00:25:01,853
Speaker 3: night before. Very very hard, you'd think for the bledders

494
00:25:01,853 --> 00:25:05,573
Speaker 3: Low Cup, given the Barbies patchy form to be getting

495
00:25:05,613 --> 00:25:08,253
Speaker 3: too many cormaches and the broad sheets over here.

496
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Speaker 4: No, they'll be well done the wrong It is nice

497
00:25:10,653 --> 00:25:13,453
Speaker 4: to have an afternoon. I think they've done well there

498
00:25:13,493 --> 00:25:15,693
Speaker 4: to not go head to head with some of.

499
00:25:15,653 --> 00:25:17,453
Speaker 5: Those big ravel codes.

500
00:25:18,133 --> 00:25:21,053
Speaker 4: One of the points, how much of a factor is

501
00:25:21,653 --> 00:25:24,693
Speaker 4: Joe Schmidt and Mike Kron How much inside oil are

502
00:25:24,733 --> 00:25:27,213
Speaker 4: they going to have Schmidt of course came in mid

503
00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:32,053
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two with Jason Ryan, massive influence and turning

504
00:25:32,053 --> 00:25:34,053
Speaker 4: that All Blacks team around and getting them to a

505
00:25:34,053 --> 00:25:37,013
Speaker 4: World Cup final with the m Foster A bit of

506
00:25:37,333 --> 00:25:40,173
Speaker 4: shock really when he jumps ship to join the Wallabies.

507
00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:42,253
Speaker 4: Mike Cron to a lesser extent, he's been out of

508
00:25:42,293 --> 00:25:44,853
Speaker 4: the All Blacks for a long time. But the key

509
00:25:44,893 --> 00:25:48,693
Speaker 4: he's through and through to various stute rugby coaches. How

510
00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:53,013
Speaker 4: much influence can they have in Wallabies All Blacks context?

511
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Speaker 3: Well, I think he'll know tendencies at players and it's

512
00:25:57,773 --> 00:26:01,853
Speaker 3: all about imparting that knowledge too to his team. You know,

513
00:26:02,413 --> 00:26:04,493
Speaker 3: he's he put a little, you know, a lot of

514
00:26:04,533 --> 00:26:08,293
Speaker 3: his his touches and flourishes on that All Blacks team,

515
00:26:08,773 --> 00:26:12,973
Speaker 3: and he'll know whether it's you know, Rico Yuani does this,

516
00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:17,013
Speaker 3: when X y Z happens, or Jordi Barrett does this.

517
00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:19,293
Speaker 2: You know, he'll know those sort of things. You'll be

518
00:26:19,333 --> 00:26:20,133
Speaker 2: able to impart them.

519
00:26:20,293 --> 00:26:22,373
Speaker 3: It's one thing in parting them, it's another actually having

520
00:26:22,413 --> 00:26:24,893
Speaker 3: the cattle and the players to stop that. And I

521
00:26:24,893 --> 00:26:27,013
Speaker 3: think that's still the question mark. Josh Matt very very

522
00:26:27,013 --> 00:26:30,853
Speaker 3: good coach. No one's doubting that. But do the Wallabies

523
00:26:30,933 --> 00:26:34,173
Speaker 3: have the talent to do it? No?

524
00:26:34,373 --> 00:26:36,013
Speaker 5: Not really, they don't have the kettle.

525
00:26:36,053 --> 00:26:38,813
Speaker 4: That not consistently enough. It's not the proven cattle. No,

526
00:26:38,933 --> 00:26:41,733
Speaker 4: they are in the midst of a massive rebuild. You

527
00:26:41,813 --> 00:26:47,093
Speaker 4: know Eddie Jones tore down the walls and the rubble

528
00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:50,173
Speaker 4: still very evident he did.

529
00:26:51,213 --> 00:26:54,373
Speaker 2: Edie did? Eddie did do that? Right?

530
00:26:54,453 --> 00:26:56,373
Speaker 3: That'll do us for the first half of a Rugby

531
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Speaker 3: Direct will take a quick break. Want to check the

532
00:26:58,213 --> 00:27:01,053
Speaker 3: Black fans when we come back as well their big

533
00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:01,973
Speaker 3: game at Twickenham.

534
00:27:02,653 --> 00:27:07,093
Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

535
00:27:10,253 --> 00:27:13,933
Speaker 2: Every try try it had sixty sec. Every tackle, put tackle,

536
00:27:14,013 --> 00:27:20,013
Speaker 2: get up again. I can't give more time. It's Rugpy Direct.

537
00:27:20,093 --> 00:27:23,493
Speaker 3: How ladies, you're back with Rugby Direct part by Access

538
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Speaker 3: Solutions elevating you and your business to a higher level.

539
00:27:28,413 --> 00:27:30,653
Speaker 3: Time for a final four, Liam, Let's toil the Black

540
00:27:30,653 --> 00:27:36,093
Speaker 3: Fans first twenty four to twelve lost to England at Twickenham.

541
00:27:37,653 --> 00:27:40,053
Speaker 3: For me, this was a better performance than the one

542
00:27:40,093 --> 00:27:42,093
Speaker 3: they turned in at Mount Smart last year against the

543
00:27:42,093 --> 00:27:44,453
Speaker 3: same my position. There seemed to be a bit more

544
00:27:44,453 --> 00:27:49,733
Speaker 3: confidence around the game plan and a bit more willingness

545
00:27:49,973 --> 00:27:56,053
Speaker 3: and readiness to defend, but still some issues. And I

546
00:27:56,093 --> 00:27:59,893
Speaker 3: commentated this game for gold Sport and iHeart Radio. They

547
00:27:59,893 --> 00:28:02,893
Speaker 3: had you know, parity probably for the first twenty minutes

548
00:28:03,173 --> 00:28:05,413
Speaker 3: or thereabouts to the match, but then England went on

549
00:28:05,453 --> 00:28:08,133
Speaker 3: a tiar and was seventeen al up by halftime, so

550
00:28:08,693 --> 00:28:11,613
Speaker 3: switched off for a bit. England took advantage, got to

551
00:28:11,613 --> 00:28:14,613
Speaker 3: twenty four nil. England could have really blown out at

552
00:28:14,613 --> 00:28:16,573
Speaker 3: that point, but New Zealand got back into the game.

553
00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:19,973
Speaker 3: Catlin of the hard Coal a couple of really nice

554
00:28:20,013 --> 00:28:25,013
Speaker 3: tries and she's been outstanding for them this year. Really

555
00:28:25,053 --> 00:28:26,853
Speaker 3: like the look of Maya Joseph at half back. I

556
00:28:26,853 --> 00:28:29,813
Speaker 3: think she's excellent. Some of the tactical kicking still not

557
00:28:29,893 --> 00:28:31,773
Speaker 3: quite there. They've been working on that, I know, but

558
00:28:31,813 --> 00:28:34,453
Speaker 3: it's still, you know, needs to be a little bit

559
00:28:34,493 --> 00:28:39,813
Speaker 3: better and needs to have the chasers in the right positions. Yeah,

560
00:28:40,613 --> 00:28:42,733
Speaker 3: it was positive, there were positives out of that match.

561
00:28:43,013 --> 00:28:46,133
Speaker 3: I think Isha Lettyinger seeing her back on the park

562
00:28:46,253 --> 00:28:50,453
Speaker 3: was good. I expected it was going to be a

563
00:28:50,453 --> 00:28:52,813
Speaker 3: loss in the vicinity of fifteen to twenty points and

564
00:28:53,173 --> 00:28:54,933
Speaker 3: to come out of a twelve point defeat and probably

565
00:28:54,973 --> 00:28:57,213
Speaker 3: having the better of the second half. In all honesty,

566
00:28:58,693 --> 00:29:01,293
Speaker 3: I think is a not necessarily a moral win for

567
00:29:01,293 --> 00:29:03,533
Speaker 3: the Black fans, but there are signs there that if

568
00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:07,933
Speaker 3: they keep hammering away get this nineteen combination working, there

569
00:29:07,933 --> 00:29:10,693
Speaker 3: are things that they can build on ahead of next

570
00:29:10,733 --> 00:29:11,373
Speaker 3: year's World Cup.

571
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Speaker 4: You talked before about being glass half full with the

572
00:29:14,933 --> 00:29:17,053
Speaker 4: all Black swell. That's how I'm looking at the blackfood

573
00:29:17,053 --> 00:29:20,293
Speaker 4: and spells. And this was a cracking test from a spectacle.

574
00:29:20,373 --> 00:29:24,093
Speaker 4: It was played in in the afternoon and at Twickenham.

575
00:29:24,613 --> 00:29:26,933
Speaker 4: They didn't get anywhere near the record crowd, but they

576
00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:30,053
Speaker 4: have forty one thousand people. Looked like a great atmosphere

577
00:29:31,093 --> 00:29:35,653
Speaker 4: and the Blackfern's style is captivating to watch, isn't it.

578
00:29:35,653 --> 00:29:38,893
Speaker 4: They have a crack from everywhere and it was the

579
00:29:38,933 --> 00:29:42,013
Speaker 4: finishing the finesse was lacking. They struggled at times with

580
00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:46,133
Speaker 4: England's rush defense, the line out went astray at times.

581
00:29:46,173 --> 00:29:49,853
Speaker 4: You mentioned the tactical kicking as well, but this was

582
00:29:49,893 --> 00:29:52,613
Speaker 4: their first, you know, hit out of the year. They've

583
00:29:52,653 --> 00:29:56,413
Speaker 4: basically come out of provincial rugby. England played France. France

584
00:29:56,453 --> 00:29:57,693
Speaker 4: by twenty odd points.

585
00:29:57,373 --> 00:29:59,933
Speaker 3: The previous week the week before the torch with the

586
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Speaker 3: Wall Rouse May Male journ.

587
00:30:03,293 --> 00:30:06,693
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some real talent coming through.

588
00:30:06,773 --> 00:30:07,733
Speaker 5: You mentioned why, Joseph.

589
00:30:07,733 --> 00:30:10,573
Speaker 4: I think they had something like nine caps between their

590
00:30:10,893 --> 00:30:14,813
Speaker 4: you know, nine ten combinations, so being down seventeen and

591
00:30:14,893 --> 00:30:16,693
Speaker 4: a half time, they could have crumbled and they came

592
00:30:16,733 --> 00:30:20,333
Speaker 4: back and they held England scoreless after the forty third minute.

593
00:30:20,813 --> 00:30:22,693
Speaker 4: So there are a lot of positives for this for

594
00:30:22,733 --> 00:30:25,253
Speaker 4: the Black firms to take out of that into you know,

595
00:30:25,293 --> 00:30:29,933
Speaker 4: the w x V in Canada. It was a credible performance.

596
00:30:29,973 --> 00:30:32,893
Speaker 4: I like you expected them to be on the wrong

597
00:30:32,933 --> 00:30:35,413
Speaker 4: side of the score line, particularly after being that far down.

598
00:30:35,493 --> 00:30:38,893
Speaker 4: So I'm very much glass half full after that performance.

599
00:30:38,893 --> 00:30:42,413
Speaker 4: And it was a genuinely cracking contest to watch, just

600
00:30:42,493 --> 00:30:45,413
Speaker 4: the ball movement, the pace, to the attitude of both

601
00:30:45,453 --> 00:30:46,973
Speaker 4: teams to have a genuine crack.

602
00:30:47,013 --> 00:30:47,653
Speaker 5: England scored.

603
00:30:48,733 --> 00:30:51,093
Speaker 4: You know, they're rolling Wall still bloody tough to stop.

604
00:30:51,133 --> 00:30:54,093
Speaker 4: But I think overall positive step for the Black Fins.

605
00:30:54,133 --> 00:30:55,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, and that England team.

606
00:30:55,693 --> 00:30:57,933
Speaker 3: You look, you point out the stats, the number of

607
00:30:57,973 --> 00:30:59,733
Speaker 3: caps that the England team has got.

608
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Speaker 4: Well, they haven't lost at homes since twenty sixteen, and

609
00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:03,653
Speaker 4: they've basically.

610
00:31:03,373 --> 00:31:04,933
Speaker 2: Only one sixteen on trot the.

611
00:31:05,053 --> 00:31:08,613
Speaker 4: Only loss was the World Cup Final and the US

612
00:31:08,653 --> 00:31:09,573
Speaker 4: what's sexty odd tests?

613
00:31:10,053 --> 00:31:13,933
Speaker 3: So phenomenal players and phenomenal players, and you know they

614
00:31:14,413 --> 00:31:16,933
Speaker 3: continuing to grow that England team with the environment they've

615
00:31:16,933 --> 00:31:20,213
Speaker 3: gone in England around women's rugby. At the moment, it

616
00:31:20,333 --> 00:31:23,093
Speaker 3: feels like all going to plan. Those two should meet

617
00:31:23,093 --> 00:31:24,733
Speaker 3: in the World Cup Final again next year. A lot

618
00:31:24,733 --> 00:31:26,933
Speaker 3: of water to guide the bridge, but another year for

619
00:31:26,973 --> 00:31:30,653
Speaker 3: these black fans players to gather under Ellen Bunting. Anything

620
00:31:30,693 --> 00:31:33,413
Speaker 3: could happen in the year's time, so positive signs there.

621
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Speaker 3: Topic number two, we heard a new super rugby format

622
00:31:36,933 --> 00:31:43,453
Speaker 3: announced last week and sixteen weeks, an extra week, not

623
00:31:43,533 --> 00:31:46,293
Speaker 3: an extra game, but an extra week because each team's

624
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:49,653
Speaker 3: now getting two buys. It's going to start on Valentine's

625
00:31:49,693 --> 00:31:52,213
Speaker 3: Day next year, so very romantic.

626
00:31:54,373 --> 00:31:57,413
Speaker 2: Way to kick things off and take a flower.

627
00:31:59,253 --> 00:32:01,493
Speaker 5: Roses to the foot, right.

628
00:32:01,533 --> 00:32:04,893
Speaker 3: I think the draws out the next couple of days. Yeah,

629
00:32:04,893 --> 00:32:08,813
Speaker 3: I think quite possibly, But I guess the headline of

630
00:32:08,853 --> 00:32:11,213
Speaker 3: that format is that there's no Super Round next year.

631
00:32:12,933 --> 00:32:14,893
Speaker 3: He give them a lawyer on the pod a few

632
00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:17,093
Speaker 3: months back now and Gold Coast seemed to be an

633
00:32:17,093 --> 00:32:20,813
Speaker 3: option at that point. We now have heard Perth potentially

634
00:32:20,813 --> 00:32:24,773
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six around at Anzac Day Test could

635
00:32:24,813 --> 00:32:28,053
Speaker 3: be a potential option as well. But the headline of

636
00:32:28,413 --> 00:32:31,533
Speaker 3: this format is the playoffs. So one plays six and

637
00:32:31,533 --> 00:32:34,573
Speaker 3: the opening a week of the playoffs two plays five,

638
00:32:34,693 --> 00:32:40,133
Speaker 3: three plays four, the winners go through the three winners

639
00:32:40,213 --> 00:32:43,733
Speaker 3: and then a lucky loser to week two. Liam your

640
00:32:43,773 --> 00:32:45,093
Speaker 3: thoughts please.

641
00:32:46,013 --> 00:32:51,573
Speaker 4: Well the takeaway we knew that the Rebels exit severely compromised.

642
00:32:51,613 --> 00:32:54,773
Speaker 4: The draw eleven teams is very problematic, so you have

643
00:32:54,853 --> 00:32:57,293
Speaker 4: to start a week earlier, it's longer, there's an extra buy,

644
00:32:57,733 --> 00:33:00,653
Speaker 4: all those things you do not want for a competition.

645
00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:04,613
Speaker 4: You know, an uneven number of teams makes it complicated

646
00:33:04,973 --> 00:33:07,453
Speaker 4: and super Aguey knows how to complicate things, don't they.

647
00:33:07,493 --> 00:33:11,533
Speaker 4: And the finals format is that because if you were

648
00:33:11,533 --> 00:33:16,053
Speaker 4: going for the easiest, cleanest, simple solution would be to

649
00:33:16,093 --> 00:33:19,213
Speaker 4: give the top two teams the first week off and

650
00:33:19,853 --> 00:33:23,133
Speaker 4: then you play on from there. But there's one reason

651
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Speaker 4: that they haven't done that. That's because they need content,

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00:33:25,613 --> 00:33:32,253
Speaker 4: they need games. They want the broadcasters pay for action,

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Speaker 4: don't they. So that's why we've got that format. The

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Speaker 4: only other one they were considering was a top seven.

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Speaker 4: I think they had to Well, the eleven teams, there's

656
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Speaker 4: no way in hell you could have a top eight

657
00:33:43,653 --> 00:33:47,533
Speaker 4: that would have been completely Fasted's laughed out of town.

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00:33:47,973 --> 00:33:51,253
Speaker 4: So top six was the way to go. But it

659
00:33:51,293 --> 00:33:54,413
Speaker 4: does seem unnecessarily complicated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the problem is that Jack Besley, the

661
00:33:58,813 --> 00:34:00,813
Speaker 3: new CEO, and we might get them on the podcast

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00:34:00,853 --> 00:34:05,693
Speaker 3: at some point and justifying it was talking about content

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00:34:05,853 --> 00:34:10,253
Speaker 3: and content and content sick of that word when it

664
00:34:10,253 --> 00:34:13,213
Speaker 3: comes to rugby. It's not fans. It's not fans centric,

665
00:34:13,253 --> 00:34:15,413
Speaker 3: as they keep trying to tell us. It's not fan centric.

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00:34:15,493 --> 00:34:19,413
Speaker 3: Fan centric is creating the best possible matches. That's the

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00:34:19,453 --> 00:34:22,453
Speaker 3: best content. Content is not extra games. Content is the

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00:34:22,493 --> 00:34:25,253
Speaker 3: actual quality of the games that you were serving up.

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Speaker 3: And you can't tell me that giving the top two

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00:34:28,573 --> 00:34:30,813
Speaker 3: teams a week off and then having three plays six

671
00:34:30,893 --> 00:34:34,493
Speaker 3: four b's five with two elimination games is not better

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00:34:34,533 --> 00:34:37,493
Speaker 3: content than the games that you've got at the moment,

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00:34:37,533 --> 00:34:40,733
Speaker 3: where you could have three v four depending on when

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00:34:40,733 --> 00:34:43,773
Speaker 3: they schedule it, and maybe they'll manipulate it, so maybe

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00:34:43,773 --> 00:34:46,253
Speaker 3: three four is the first game of the weekend. But

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00:34:46,773 --> 00:34:48,453
Speaker 3: you could go have a three v four game where

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Speaker 3: both sides know they're through to the following week.

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Speaker 2: So what are you gonna do? You played Tillywinks for

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Speaker 2: eighty minutes.

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00:34:54,453 --> 00:34:57,693
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not great as that. And the thing about

681
00:34:57,893 --> 00:35:04,813
Speaker 4: content is actually less is more and you need that Jeopardy. Yeah.

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00:35:05,213 --> 00:35:11,653
Speaker 4: And even when competitions expand, they often retract in terms

683
00:35:11,653 --> 00:35:14,693
Speaker 4: of the number of games. And that's the way forward

684
00:35:15,013 --> 00:35:18,533
Speaker 4: because saturation doesn't work, you know, just creating content for

685
00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:21,133
Speaker 4: the sake of it. So that's why if you had

686
00:35:21,413 --> 00:35:24,653
Speaker 4: the true Jeopardy, you reward those top two qualifiers for

687
00:35:24,693 --> 00:35:26,773
Speaker 4: their performance throughout the year by giving them the first

688
00:35:26,813 --> 00:35:29,973
Speaker 4: week off. That's the simplest, cleanest, fairest way to do

689
00:35:30,053 --> 00:35:35,093
Speaker 4: the top sex format. But because broadcasters and money wins out,

690
00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,373
Speaker 4: that's why we've got this format.

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00:35:36,453 --> 00:35:38,893
Speaker 2: We did it is yeah, and that's unfortunate.

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00:35:39,733 --> 00:35:41,853
Speaker 3: We'll see what format they come up with in twenty

693
00:35:41,893 --> 00:35:45,773
Speaker 3: twenty six when the hawaiis how wars are coming back?

694
00:35:46,173 --> 00:35:48,013
Speaker 3: I saw there's a submission of the Cheetahs them South

695
00:35:48,013 --> 00:35:51,333
Speaker 3: Africa might come in. Who else can we get in.

696
00:35:51,893 --> 00:35:53,733
Speaker 5: The Hawaii surfers or something?

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00:35:53,813 --> 00:35:55,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, bring that that. Some wolves are at it.

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00:35:56,333 --> 00:36:00,013
Speaker 4: We'll work on those names for it always. Maybe maybe

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00:36:00,013 --> 00:36:01,453
Speaker 4: your pillow name could wow.

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00:36:01,653 --> 00:36:04,293
Speaker 3: Look, yeah, I'll see what that latex pillow has come

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00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:05,093
Speaker 3: up with later tonight.

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00:36:07,173 --> 00:36:12,453
Speaker 2: Topic three Box Argentina. What do we expect out of that?

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00:36:12,533 --> 00:36:14,133
Speaker 3: I mean the Box have least a few players at

704
00:36:14,133 --> 00:36:17,413
Speaker 3: home for the first league of a series, all these

705
00:36:17,733 --> 00:36:22,653
Speaker 3: two games that are going to be playing in theory,

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00:36:22,693 --> 00:36:26,253
Speaker 3: the Box should you know, be Rugby Championship champions by

707
00:36:26,293 --> 00:36:28,373
Speaker 3: the end of the week. But Argentina they have sean

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00:36:28,973 --> 00:36:31,413
Speaker 3: two wins so far in the tournament that they are

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00:36:31,613 --> 00:36:35,413
Speaker 3: not to be taken lightly. And you know with Australia,

710
00:36:35,493 --> 00:36:37,413
Speaker 3: sorry but sat are living a few players at home,

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00:36:38,093 --> 00:36:40,093
Speaker 3: the windows open, the doors opened a little bit.

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00:36:40,093 --> 00:36:43,413
Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, I think so that the Pomas have impressed

713
00:36:43,413 --> 00:36:47,333
Speaker 4: in this Rugby Championship largely, haven't they beat the All Blacks? Well,

714
00:36:47,373 --> 00:36:49,653
Speaker 4: they checking wing Hyde. They can't play two good tests

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00:36:49,693 --> 00:36:53,933
Speaker 4: in a row. So look, I think it's interesting with

716
00:36:53,973 --> 00:36:56,733
Speaker 4: the Box phenomenal depth, but there's no doubt that they

717
00:36:56,773 --> 00:36:59,173
Speaker 4: targeted the All Blacks. That was the pinnacle for them.

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00:36:59,293 --> 00:37:01,173
Speaker 4: So there will be a bit of a come down

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00:37:01,173 --> 00:37:05,253
Speaker 4: from that both. You know, anytime you split your squad

720
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:08,293
Speaker 4: like that, there's a bit of a mental drop off.

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00:37:08,533 --> 00:37:11,573
Speaker 4: So yeah, the poem is a real chance and at

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00:37:11,613 --> 00:37:14,093
Speaker 4: home I wouldn't expect them to win. The following week

723
00:37:14,973 --> 00:37:19,173
Speaker 4: back in South Africa. But yeah, anytime you're not playing

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00:37:19,213 --> 00:37:21,573
Speaker 4: your top team, you leave the door jar, don't you

725
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:21,813
Speaker 4: you do?

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00:37:22,213 --> 00:37:25,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, but if they play as well they

727
00:37:25,573 --> 00:37:28,053
Speaker 3: did against Australia, especially in that second half, then there

728
00:37:28,053 --> 00:37:31,893
Speaker 3: are a chance of knocking over South Africa and all

729
00:37:31,893 --> 00:37:34,013
Speaker 3: want to steak and topic number four in the final

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00:37:34,133 --> 00:37:36,133
Speaker 3: four the shield.

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Speaker 2: They're anfully shield.

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00:37:38,013 --> 00:37:44,173
Speaker 3: Tasman, Nelson, Marlborough, Nelson Bays, Marlborough, the combined province they

733
00:37:44,253 --> 00:37:48,893
Speaker 3: keep hold of the shield and Wellington sadly for you

734
00:37:50,093 --> 00:37:52,573
Speaker 3: can't take the shield away from the Auckland. They're going

735
00:37:52,613 --> 00:37:54,893
Speaker 3: to get a challenge for the first time in nine

736
00:37:54,973 --> 00:37:57,893
Speaker 3: years or something in a couple of weeks time.

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00:37:57,973 --> 00:38:01,213
Speaker 4: But Auckland don't never shit show the way they're playing.

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00:38:01,213 --> 00:38:03,053
Speaker 4: The very lucky to beat Northland.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't the greatest of shield games. There's a

740
00:38:06,413 --> 00:38:08,813
Speaker 3: lot of hype during the week about this game. Tasman

741
00:38:08,893 --> 00:38:12,613
Speaker 3: and Wellingson were unbeat him to that point, didn't really

742
00:38:12,653 --> 00:38:14,813
Speaker 3: deliver sort of a game broke out in the last

743
00:38:14,853 --> 00:38:17,613
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty minutes or so, but it was very,

744
00:38:17,733 --> 00:38:20,693
Speaker 3: very patchy for the opening fifty to sixty minutes of

745
00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:24,893
Speaker 3: the game. But yeah, the muckel at home got the

746
00:38:24,973 --> 00:38:31,653
Speaker 3: job done, Liam, and you're Wellington Lions simply couldn't our Lions, Elliott. No,

747
00:38:32,293 --> 00:38:37,133
Speaker 3: we update on that. So the Jersey presentation.

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Speaker 4: I skip the country will be done once we get

749
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Speaker 4: back to Auckland and it will be filmed and posted everywhere.

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Speaker 4: No one's man. But yeah, not a great shield challenge.

751
00:38:47,613 --> 00:38:50,133
Speaker 4: But look, these are the two best teams in the competition,

752
00:38:50,413 --> 00:38:52,733
Speaker 4: Tasman Wellington. I expect them to meet again in the final,

753
00:38:53,493 --> 00:38:56,813
Speaker 4: so significant win for Tasman at Home to back up

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00:38:56,853 --> 00:39:01,053
Speaker 4: their ranfully Shieldren Wellington will be disappointed with that. They

755
00:39:01,533 --> 00:39:05,733
Speaker 4: had their opportunities, they didn't play very well. So credit

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00:39:05,773 --> 00:39:10,173
Speaker 4: to the Michael Clay Wilson, our colleague texts me saying

757
00:39:10,213 --> 00:39:13,933
Speaker 4: plucky out, plucky challenge from a brave lines outfit. So

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00:39:13,973 --> 00:39:16,333
Speaker 4: it's fair to say he was. He was very chipper.

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00:39:16,573 --> 00:39:18,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, very plucky. I mean it's up and comers.

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00:39:19,053 --> 00:39:23,933
Speaker 5: Wellington probably rault in the Sellary cap, but it's all right.

761
00:39:23,973 --> 00:39:26,733
Speaker 4: They going what an accusation, back back to back, back

762
00:39:26,733 --> 00:39:28,933
Speaker 4: to back titles and coming and then your your signed

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00:39:28,973 --> 00:39:31,693
Speaker 4: jersey will be skyrocketing and value.

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Speaker 3: That's right straight to a straight to the trade ball

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Speaker 3: room room.

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Speaker 2: They're all about.

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Speaker 3: Do us for Rugby Direct for this week? Any other

768
00:39:41,333 --> 00:39:42,573
Speaker 3: points of water that you want to raise?

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Speaker 5: It might be time for some food. I think yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think so, it's time.

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Speaker 2: For dinner here in Sydney.

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