WEBVTT - EP 44 - ‘Anau Mesui Henry 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.640 This is the Flavor podcast network. 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:07.000 Island Roots Auckland Ways. This one's for the Brown brothers 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.440 and sisters who want to be one with themselves, their culture, 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:15.640 their identity, their roots. This is Island Roots Auckland Ways, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.079 Marlow La and welcome on into Island Roots Auckland Way. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.760 You just started without being repaired. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:30.080 Hello, we're here, we are recording correct. 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.159 How is everyone? Let us on the socials. We always 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.400 love to chat to you guys. Actually we actually do. 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.680 And recently there was an instance where someone was doing 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:40.800 something on the social media trying to be us. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.199 Yeah, kept fishing, but it's also happened to our friends 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.959 Zaria and Mahi. So I feel like there's someone else 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:46.959 to get all these Mani and. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:47.800 Buss speaker. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:50.559 For real. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.040 I was like, nah, I kind of feel like I've. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:53.479 Made a little bit. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.000 Let them let them cook. Who's talking today? Are now? 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.400 Missui Henry. She is the owner of four Showers Cover Lounge. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.000 She is a researcher. She is a mama, She is 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.800 a director, She is a all the thinks a legend. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:14.760 Actually cool, Thanks for having me, of course. How are 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:15.200 you today? 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:17.040 I'm feeling pretty good? 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:24.679 Yeah, yeah, you can't bearing gifts, which is greatly appreciated. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:25.880 Thank you so much. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.039 You know you're welcome. We discussed some juice and some 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.080 and some cover are drinking it? 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.960 Yeah? Shall we? Shall we get into it. I think 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:41.360 this is a first drinking cover no like this, yes, yea. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.280 So we have drunk cover on the podcast before and 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.120 it was four showers. It was the day that you 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.920 came into Flavor. Yes, there was some leftover that Charlie 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:56.120 blessed us with. And yeah and Diamond Lungey was you 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.120 the studio. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:58.320 And takeover. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.080 And I'm here and that exact seat that you're sitting 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:04.720 on right now. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:11.840 That's awesome. I'm going to do this for us. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:15.840 This is so funny. I haven't had a cover and 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.120 a harm minute. Last time I had some cover was 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:25.399 with my Fiji and fans last year. Oh my gosh, Okay, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:26.520 here we go, girl. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:27.320 I'm so excited. 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.359 It hasn't been a while for a Lissa has not 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.440 actually tragedy hits Melissa's Household. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.680 Hit my household this morning and now I bought a 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.240 takeaway bottle on Friday night. I had been drinking alcohol, 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.639 but I wanted to drink cover in the weekend. Unfortunately, 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.399 I never got around drinking the bottle, so I had 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.320 to pour it down the drain. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.560 Oh wow, is that really bad? 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.760 Just because it's sit on the bottle. Don't drink after 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.919 two days and today would have been the third day, 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.560 and I thought it's best not to drink it past expiring. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.320 I think if you kept it in the fridge, it 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:07.040 will be okay, okay, yeah, it's all good. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:08.760 Okay, now get paid. 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.160 But I repeated my bottle. 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:20.440 Did you want some? 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:20.959 Yeah? 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:21.639 Please? 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:22.360 Yeah. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.600 Tragedy hit this morning for me too, very sad. But 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.400 I was driving down Mount Albert Rod to drop my 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.720 son to school, and then the cops pulled me over. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.639 I was like, why you guys pulled me? Oh no, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.760 he said. I was going limon Case over Man Albert Road. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:42.160 But I thought it was a sixty k zone and. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.160 Were you driving sixty? 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:44.360 I was driving sixty one. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.440 They'd be like that. They'd be like that because the 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.120 amount of times I have been pinged on Mahunga Drive. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.600 You know, when you get off to go to Favona 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.640 and there's a speed camera there and I always go sixty, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.040 not too much, a little demure sixty, and I get 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.160 pining for it. Because there's okay red you go above 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:02.840 fifty and then boom, you're done. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:04.800 I was asking the man, hey, I'm just trying to 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.240 get my son to school, like why aren't you, you know, 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.800 eresting other people's. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:10.040 Doing white collar crimes? 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.280 I know, And then you know, his face just annoyed me. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:18.560 Some moisturizer. I was like, at least we have some moisturizers. 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.760 I'm gonna put me out. No, he goes, you're getting 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:28.120 at eighty dollar five any dollars? Can you guys pay 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.000 for it? 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.080 We will pay for it. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:42.080 And yeah, so tragedy, my gosh, for both of us. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.120 Okay, so I have to say a little something something. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.600 How do you or MAUI happy Maudi language treek. I 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:59.200 just want to raise this cover this other in recognition 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.159 of land that is not ours and that was stolen. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:13.839 From mm hmm you go girl. 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:19.880 Wow, I just hitting things now, just taking it. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:22.440 Recolonization. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.400 I'm so sorry that happened to you this morning. That 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:26.800 would have jarred you a little bit. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:27.279 Yeah. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.120 I was about to get into an argument and my 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:29.960 son's sitting there. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.159 Oh yeah, and then your son's like, no, not to. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:49.760 Love some I okay, that's Okay the best. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:50.560 Okay. 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:52.279 I raised this in. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:06:00.880 Honor of man and it tour strong woman everywhere and 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:02.760 we are Binka and we. 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:12.159 Are she says she. I was I was looking at 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.080 you and I was like, you know what, girl, get 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:14.560 into it? 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:20.760 What happened to not drinking at all? 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.400 Wow? It was she felt the manner of what she 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.640 was toasting to. So I now every single episode of 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.520 the podcast we share what we love about home. So 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.520 whatever home feels like to you, whether that's Mangaday, whether 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.359 that's the Kingdom, what has time to you, and what 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.560 do you love about it? We'll start off first. What 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:47.000 I love about home is the high school that I 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.800 went to. Actually, on the topic of schools, we were 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.000 just talking about the schools that we went to. So 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:57.719 I went to Delastle College, so Thissa one predominantly Maudi Pasifica. 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.720 I think it was ninety nine percent at last Hole, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.440 and so it was kind of a given that I 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.640 would go to Last Out. It was local. All my 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.400 family either went to Last Out or McCauley, and I 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.080 loved my experience there. I actually was so gutted because 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.480 I had applied to go to another school that was 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:23.280 outside of South and I didn't make it in because 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:28.160 that school like was more athletic, and so they were 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.920 trying to get brown students, but brown students who could 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.320 play rugby and make their school look all nice and 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.480 good and rugby and so at the time, I remember 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.920 being so sad about not getting into the school because 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.920 I felt like there was that perception at the time. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.520 I'm not sure if it's still the same now that 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.160 if you went to a local school, it was like, oh, 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:52.080 like I like, you know, you're trying to get out 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:56.920 of the hood, was the perception. Yeah, But by the 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.360 time I left those gates, I feel like I learned 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.800 so much about myself, my culture, my identity, my neighborhood 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.600 that it truly was a blessing and disguise that I 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:13.240 didn't make it in the other school. So what secret? 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:20.280 Hard college? Okay, and I'm Switzerland nowadays. So's some drama, 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:21.920 but yeah, we'll just. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:24.240 Swimmer. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.160 That's what I love about home this week? How about 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:27.440 you grow? 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.600 Definitely not my high school, I wrote My whole Masks 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:35.880 experience was anyway I love about home. I'm gonna sound 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.559 like a suck up because you're here now, but it's 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:43.440 four Shells. Oh love going to four Shells. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:44.680 You know what it is. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.600 It's just something so like special. The ambiance, like the 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.640 space is beautiful, and every conversation I even had there 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.400 is just one of great quality. It's like magical. I 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.120 can't even know what's going to happen. Someone will start singing, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.880 so we'll start having a DMC with you. The range 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.640 it's such a special, special place. So for shouts for sure. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.120 Oh man, that's so cool. I'm struggling right now because 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:17.800 I have problems of emotionally regulating. That's cool, that's awesome, 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.840 awesome to hear. Yeah, Home, I guess home for me 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.360 is Donna, being back in the for No and just 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.800 being grounded and surrounded and embedded in the culture and 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.680 the language and the people and the way we do things. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.120 I just came back from Donna, and it's a bit 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:41.119 hard coming back here. But also I think with Donna there, 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.319 I spend a lot of my time there, my childhood there, 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.960 and so there's a lot of all the good memories 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.640 I have of my childhood are at home. So that's 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:50.520 probably home for me. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.600 It's beautiful, beautiful answer. Thank you for sharing that. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.280 Thank you so much for sharing that with us. We 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.760 feel like you're like royalty to us. We're obsessed with you. 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:01.679 We think you're so cool. So the fact that you're 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.800 here is so exciting for us. But we feel like 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.079 you do so many amazing things. What when you introduce 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.679 yourself to people, how do you like, how do you 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.760 describe yourself? What are your job titles? 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:13.680 Yeah? 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.160 I think that easy, as you know, going through the 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.760 airports as really easy. I just write like self employed. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:18.439 Oh yeah. 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.160 But I had a friend filling in my departure form 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.200 from Donga. I don't know why. It must have been 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.400 so dramatic, like I just kept feeling. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.000 That's so ridiculous. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:33.599 So she filled on my form and I was like, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:38.040 oh she wrote directly. I was like, oh, oh, I 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.760 don't really see myself as that. I think I just 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.760 see myself probably as a social entrepreneur, obviously in business, 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.840 but at the same time, you've always got a hat 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.760 for the community and your own people, so there's always 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.320 the social impact and giving back to the community. But yeah, 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:56.800 when people say, oh, what do you do, I'm like, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.280 what know? Yeah, I don't know how to answer it, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.320 to be honest. Can I get some edmund support to 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:04.760 help me. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:07.680 Unless it's a fantastic writer. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:14.440 Oh for me on the spot, generally pretty grey mom, 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:19.680 business owner. You have a master's girl, academic researchers. 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:25.720 That's South employ Mattie, just South Aakland girls. 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.840 South Oakland, loud and proud and like you probably you know, 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.120 so important to represent. I know, growing up it was 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.240 almost embarrassing to say you're from Magata and yeah, man, 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:37.480 I went to girls. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:37.720 Yeah. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:39.600 I was like, man, that's our age. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:41.320 What else am I going to say? I grew up 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:48.240 Freeman's Bay. I went to school in ponto Me and 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:51.480 it was very embarrassing. Sales from South Oakland. That's your 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:56.320 economic divide was very strong, was clear going anywhere. 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.920 And I'll tell us about the genesis of four shells. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.800 So how did that start? 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.959 You know that song? It was all a dream, so 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:10.000 me and Juicy. 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:13.840 You grew up with. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:21.800 So yeah, yeah, no, it was always it was always 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.040 a dream growing up. We we always was in cover. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.480 That's how the family survived out of New Zealand because 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:34.040 we came from Donga. And I remember growing up because 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.200 we got these cover party machines and at our home 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.760 and long and long I used to ask my I 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.920 used to pray when I was a teenager. I loved 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:46.400 I loved the memories, loved everything about it, and I 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:50.000 used to always pray and I would ask God, like, Man, God, 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.400 let me be the one that carries on cover. I 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.320 don't know what that would look like as a woman. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.640 I'm not going to be going around the plantations and Tonga, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.880 you know, just because of those gender gender roles and expectations. 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.800 But I used to always pray, like, let me be 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.760 the one that extends whatever that other legacy looks like. 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.400 And it's interesting because fast forward to opening the shop 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:18.240 in twenty nineteen, I found an old diary and eight 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.160 years before that, I had written down these streets. You know, 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.319 when you've got nothing going on or your dreams, you're 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.000 just like write the dreams a million times, and you 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.280 know that's what you live off. And I had ridden 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.120 I want to start a cover cafe. And it was 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.480 so crazy because I remember when I wrote it. It 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.240 was I remember my cousin saying, what is the most 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.440 craziest dream? It was like a cover cave because I 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.600 don't know what that looks like. You know, what does 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.280 that look like? What does that feel like? I didn't 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.600 have any qualifications at the time. I didn't really know 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.880 business or anything like that. So when we opened the shop, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.760 it felt like a it was meant to be, like 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:01.199 a natural progression of what already was. So it was 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.679 basically just felt like stepping into what was meant to 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.920 be for me and the path that I meant to 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.760 be on. And the start of it was a bit rocky. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.400 Do you guys want the real conversation or that. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.480 You want to cover? 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.120 Yeah, it was. It was pretty tricky, like business partners 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.880 at the time, because I know, you know business, it's 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.760 hard for us specific we don't have the resources or 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.800 the upfront capital and there's a lot of money that 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.480 goes into starting that. But fortunately the Lord had it 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.080 that we had business partners at the time, so we 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.640 were able to all go in and share the cost. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:45.440 Use where's the lord, They're gone now, so partners we 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:52.240 parted way diplomatically and that was during COVID twenty nineteen. 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:58.160 Yes, oh my gosh, so you start up the lounge nineteen, 0:14:58.960 --> 0:14:59.920 come into the pair. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.360 Yeah, it was crazy, but you know what, when you 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.160 have nothing, you're like, man, I have an opportunity right now, 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.600 and I'm going to hold on to it because at 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.600 some point the storm subsides and then you'll be able 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.040 to do something. Yeah. It's a different mindset, I think 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:23.520 for us specific or at least for myself. When you 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:27.479 see opportunity, you know what it is. Yeah. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:27.120 Yeah. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.200 I also read an interview you did. We talked about 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.080 pivoting to uber e during the pandemic. 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:34.920 Yeah, what what was that? 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:35.080 Like? 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:36.000 Did that help? 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:37.960 Uh? Not? 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.800 Really? What actually helped was we had we have like 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.160 a steady group of regulars who've supported us since day one, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.680 who still support us now. So really grateful for them. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.720 Shout out to their regulars. Oh my gosh, I feel 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:52.320 like regulator. 0:15:52.320 --> 0:16:02.080 You know, the warrant Yes, she's warranty, no warrngy, she's 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.080 gonna turn. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:09.520 Yeah. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.080 And the Uber eats was just another way because before 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.840 they were just delivering to people. But that took a while. 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.920 We came up against a lot of no so it 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.480 took it was we had to go to them twice 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.400 like justify why you can't have goava on here? Please, 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.280 thank you very much, and they did. And a lot 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.160 of these groups like uber eats and Shopify is one 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.840 we're dealing with right now. There's no justification and food, 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.720 you know, gover falls under the food food to act 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.280 and zeal And, So tell me why is it more 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.280 scrutinized than any other food? 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:46.360 I really do see. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.800 Four Showers is like this kind of like magical special 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.640 place that it's the lighting, it's like the people. What 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.320 are some of your favorite things about the four Shower space? 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.480 The space? Definitely the people. You know, the space is empty, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.400 it's not a space without the people and the kind 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.000 of people that it draws in. Oh man, it's just amazing, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:08.520 Like a lot of times you don't even know what 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.920 people do. You know, it's because the conversations are more 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.720 around you know, like just some real talk around culture 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.240 and like the political environment, what's going on, how it's 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.240 affecting us, how are we feeling as human beings? And 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.200 who are we in this landscape of a twenty twenty 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.280 four as young Pacific people. So it's a lot of 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.400 kind of that kind of conversation. It's a very non 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:33.359 pretentious space. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.399 Yeah, gave a damn what you do? 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.440 Who want to know who you are? Who are you 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.800 as a person. But it's hard for me to be 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.760 there just you know, being the owner because you're always thinking, 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.520 you know, you can't sit still. You're like, I got 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.480 to go stuck up the shower. There's a little bit 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.920 of dust there. Yeah, and so it's hard for me 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.719 to be there. But that and probably all the art 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.639 on the wall. Yeah, yeah, all the art. They are 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:03.480 local artists and they all represent something. And the photography 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.120 as well. We've got one of our friend Ela who 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.520 passed away, but he was part of our deportee documentary 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.280 that my husband had done and Donga with Renews at 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:18.840 the time News. Yeah, yeah it was. And all those 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.879 memories and my father, and then there's an old board 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.640 you know growing up my parents used to write. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:33.560 Like sales and my mom's like on the electric pole. 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:39.080 Just random like we're own Auckland Council just we ever, 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.240 and the last board she wrote, she's got to mention 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.560 now we have that up on the show. So you see, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.720 I remember how straight the lines used to be when 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:56.639 she wrote, and you see now how so different. So 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.600 all of that are like almost memory moments, memories and 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.520 moments of a time and a space that have now 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.600 passed on, but they live inside you and it's all 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:09.760 of that's probably what does it for me. You know, 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.000 this is all about the god method that Gava is 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.000 about book at Booget for Noir, the holding on to 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:19.320 culture and heritage and preserving that right within the space. 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.679 But but I personally feel for myself it's like bo 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.920 like holding onto memory when you when you get to 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.240 a point where you watch your parents, it's almost like 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.000 they're transitioning into the next followers. You hold onto anything 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.000 and everything that you can of them. So I'm just 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.800 very fortunate that the shop, every time I'm in there, 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:43.480 it's that holding on so desperately to these memories that 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.840 you never want to let girl or see faith. Yeah yeah, 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.800 so wow, that's just to go. 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.600 The queen sharing her insights. Now, how did you get 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.560 into your research? My heat like that mine off work. 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.720 Oh, the research my head I reckon as well, a 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.400 bit of researchers ourselves. 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.080 You even think about quite naturally, Yeah. 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.879 Naturally, you know with felt specific you know, like our 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.880 tongue in grapevine that we don't know how it makes 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:15.000 sense it gets. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:15.320 To our. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:17.920 I'm working. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.760 The last bit of contract work was a while ago, 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:24.680 to be honest, but I'm going back to you to 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:26.760 do my PhD next year. So I'm hoping to pick 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.320 up some contracts here and there. I'm currently working on 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.280 like a it's not really a research project, but we're 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:36.160 going away this week to put together like a grant application. Yeah, 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:40.200 which was really cool for the Spencer Foundation. But yeah, 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.600 it's been a while. It takes me a really once 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.040 I'm in it, I love it, but I feel like 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.199 sometimes it could be sold crushing, Like you know, a. 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:53.680 Crush was sold one am. Yeah, crushed very much, so 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:59.159 like you have a powder got to wait to get here. 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:01.760 Yeah, your soul was going like. 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.240 Yeah, but we need more specific researchers. 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:11.320 I love research. 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:15.240 It's just like for me, enabling our people to tell 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.520 their stories or tell their stories and like A, I 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.520 don't really love the word manner enhancing, but you know, 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:25.040 in a manner enhancing way is so like that's what 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:25.879 I love about it. 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.919 Yeah, you're making me want. 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:29.240 To do. 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.880 Yeah, no, that's awesome. I've got a couple of interns 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.840 they're doing their masters once just finished from aut Beautiful. 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.840 But it's showing them like, hey, there's other pathways. 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:41.359 Yeah. 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:45.440 So if you're as mothers, we're busy, we're trying to 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.560 work around our kids. But contracting is a researcher. It's 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.840 just a real good way of making money. Yeah, that's 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.480 not taking too much of your time. Yeah, flexibility. 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.399 So yeah, encourage you to how do you do the 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.760 research and running the business and having children. 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.919 I actually have a babysitter. Real, that's that's the key, guys. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.159 I'm like, my kids are like. 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:15.560 I know, like I have a s Like they've been 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:18.399 with her. She spent with my because I have twins. 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.040 I have got four kids. Yeah, fourteen, eight year old 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.639 and twins. And that's a huge help. And you know, 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:28.000 everyone talks about the village and yeah, bro, the village 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:28.400