1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Back to the arter Teddy. Thanks to a leaked email, 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: we now know why the ferry grounded. Autopilot was on 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: and the crew couldn't take it off because they didn't 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: know that they had to press the button down for 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: five seconds. 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: Now. 7 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: The leaked email was from inter Island. It was a 8 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: safety bulletin sent to masters and deck offices and it 9 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: went out last Friday until now the only thing that 10 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: ki Wei Rail has really said publicly is that it's 11 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: still investigating the incident. Ki Rail's inter Island A general 12 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: manager is Duncan Roy. Hey, Duncan Hi have it was 13 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: the ferry put on autopilot accidentally? 14 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: The fairy sales and autopilot Occasionally that master is able 15 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to choose when and where he does standard procedure, they 16 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: have it on autopilot for some and as the heart 17 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: of Master and picked and said yesterday, it was perfectly 18 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: appropriate for to be on autopilot in that part of 19 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 2: the sounds. 20 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: Yep on this occasion. Was it an. 21 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: Accident, I'm sorry, an accident that it was on autopilot, that. 22 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: It was put onto autopilot. 23 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: No things that put on autopilot deliberately. Okay, what we've 24 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: got here, Heather, is there's an equivalent of a maritime 25 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: black box on a ship and that has the technical 26 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: data about what was happening at the time. So we 27 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: brought an International Express and had a look at that, 28 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: and they've said that there was an execute button that 29 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: was pushed while it was an autopilot, which caused the 30 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: ship to turn to the right to start it. And 31 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: that's the what. So we know what the w is. 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: Now what we don't understand is the how or the why. 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: Just get this right down. So it was supposed to 34 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: be an autopilot, but the execute button was accidentally pressed 35 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: which caused it to turn. 36 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: That's correct. There was an execute button that we know 37 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: was pushed. We don't know why it was pushed, and 38 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: that's part of the investigation we're doing to find out 39 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: the how and the why. 40 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: Did the crew then have difficulty getting it off auto pilot. 41 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: So that's the how and the why, Heather, and that's 42 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: what we're waiting for the investigation to find out. 43 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: What do you know because you were reading because the 44 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: bulletins and see. 45 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: What we've got to do is we're going to go 46 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: through this formal investigation so that we do a fair 47 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: process to our people and we get the facts so 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: we know. So we're not speculating the bulletin. You know 49 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: what the speculation was. I do know that the button 50 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: was pushed according to the data, and now we're going 51 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: to wait for the investigation to come out in town. 52 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: The safety bulletin says that the bridge team attempted to 53 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: switch back to steering mode hand steering mode, but was 54 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: unable to override the autopilot in time. Is that correct 55 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: or not? 56 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: That is what is a sermation. And we put that 57 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: safety bulletin out as part of good maritime practice to 58 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: let the rest of the fleet know. 59 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: So you put out that safety bulletin, did. 60 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: You yet that was released blinter on? 61 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: So you put out the safety bulletin that said that 62 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: they were unable to override the autopilot in time. So 63 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: that is accurate. 64 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's what we believe. But we're waiting for the 65 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: facts to come out from the in depth investigation. Okay, 66 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: because what you need to do with the safety bulletin 67 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: is a flash report to get it out to your 68 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: people so that they can be aware it's a good 69 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: parition practice and understand and time what's going on. 70 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: Did they have trouble getting it off autopilot because they 71 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: didn't realize they had to push the button down for 72 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: five seconds. 73 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: That's all part of the investigation. 74 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: That's I'm going yes, But is that your understanding at 75 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: this point in time they didn't know they had to 76 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: press it down for five seconds? 77 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm waiting for the investigation hither because I'm 78 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: not going to speculate, and we're waiting to have a 79 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: fair and equable process for the people that are involved 80 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: in this. 81 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: Was there somebody on that ship who knew how to 82 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: get it out of autopilot? 83 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: The people on that ship were qualified at the time, 84 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: and as they said here that this is speculation, we've 85 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: got to go through this. 86 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: Don't do this, Dunken. Look, you guys look silly. If 87 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: there is a bi bulletin that's gone out which tells 88 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: people what's going on, and then you're sitting here on 89 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: the radio telling me you can't talk about it, you 90 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: look silly. So let's talk about it like adults. Okay. 91 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Was there somebody on that ship who knew how to 92 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: get it out of autopilot? Or was there nobody on 93 00:03:58,680 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: that ship who knew? 94 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: Heither? As I said, I'm going to be fair to 95 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: the people in the investigation. We're going to let the 96 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: process follow. We've had the black box, which has told 97 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: us the fact, the fact that the button was pushed. 98 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: That's what we know. We'll wait for the rest of 99 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: the investigations I go on so that we know what 100 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: occurred factually the person who. 101 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: Knew how to get it out of autopilot? Were they 102 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: on the bridge with everybody else or had they gone 103 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: off for a coffee. 104 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: So there's a regulatory number of people that have to 105 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: be on the bridge at any one time, and especially 106 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: in coastal waters, and there's a master, a number two helmsman, 107 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: and someone observing, and we follow those regulatory requirements without exception. 108 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: And on that night, those people were on the bridge. 109 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: And did any of them know how to get it 110 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: out of autopilot? 111 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: As I said, hither the facts will come out when 112 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: the investigation completes. But those people were part of the investigation, 113 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: and I'm not going to speculate. We're going to have 114 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: a fair process. We're going to be follow the facts 115 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: and that will come out. 116 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: When did you guys realize enough to put that bulletin out. 117 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: The bulletin came out as standing maritime practice because we 118 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: wanted to get out to the fleet after the after 119 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: the event, so that the rest of the fleet knew 120 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: what an event and knew that their button had been pushed. 121 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: As you'll seeing that bulletin, it says that this is 122 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: summation and that we will have more to know when 123 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: the investigation finishes. 124 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: The bulletin states, so the bulletin, the bulletin came out 125 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: on July the fifth, which is fully six days ago. 126 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: How long before the bulletin did you actually know what 127 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: had really happened? 128 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: Well, the technicians came across from overseas. They're international technicians, 129 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: and as soon as we had the facts from the 130 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: black box, we put it out on the bulletin. 131 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So you so you basically found out on July 132 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: the fifth, you found out six days ago. 133 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we had to bring the technicians across and 134 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: Detroy didn't you tell. 135 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: Us when you put that bulletin out? Why don't you 136 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: tell the rest of us what had happened? 137 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: Because either we're going through the investigation, this is the 138 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: part we can't surmise. We're going to be fair to you, and. 139 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: I know what this investors about, right, This investigation is 140 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: just about giving you guys a bit of time to 141 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: be able to come up with a pr strategy so 142 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: you can say you fixed everything. You don't look as 143 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: ridiculous as you do right now, hiding mind it. 144 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 2: It's about our people Hither, It's about the process, and 145 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 2: it's about being fair to those people that are being 146 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: investigated now by two external investigators, the Transport Investigation Commission, 147 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: the Maritime New Zealand and our internal investigation. Most people 148 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: deserve the right to be able to go through the 149 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: process of that speculation and have a fear and equitable here. 150 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: How long is your inquiry going to take? 151 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: Our one is? We're going through it. I expect that 152 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,119 Speaker 2: I'll hear something back in the next couple of weeks. 153 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: All right, look forward to talking to you. Duncan listen, 154 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: thank you very much for coming on the show. 155 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 156 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: That's Duncan Roy Into Island, a general manager. 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