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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, local and

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Speaker 2: Joining us tonight fellow Riley Iron Duke Partner's former boss

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Speaker 2: of business, en z Hi Phil.

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Speaker 3: In the Capitol.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you joining us in the Capitol. And

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Speaker 2: Jack Tamer is here, host of Q and A and

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Speaker 2: Saturday Morning. Hey Jack, welcome back. Hey right, good to

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Speaker 2: have you. Let's start with TJ. Phil. What is this

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Speaker 2: was a really interesting story from Gregor Paul in the Hill.

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Speaker 2: We've just spoken to him. What did you make of it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a break from Gregor. Is't it

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Speaker 3: well done for him? I just thought, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: the old story that sportsman, no matter how famous Oarry,

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Speaker 3: he's a Wellington icon, TJ. Pire and Arras So obviously

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Speaker 3: I've clapped and supported him for many many years and

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Speaker 3: I still do. But it just goes to the point

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Speaker 3: that sportsman, sportsmen and women need to understand they're not

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Speaker 3: actually cultural icons, they're not actually politicians. They're there to

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Speaker 3: entertained the public and play sport. And if he wants

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Speaker 3: to say something into a microphone, that's fine. I'll take

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Speaker 3: that on the on the basis that it's given to

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Speaker 3: take what should be the most unifying thing for all

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. It's the All Blacks hacker and the words

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Speaker 3: said before that is making a political statement that he

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Speaker 3: and he alone seemed to want to make. I just

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Speaker 3: don't think that that's right. And I think Greg's right

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Speaker 3: to break the story and for people to actually criticize

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Speaker 3: the team a bit for not doing not doing all

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Speaker 3: their best to make sure that didn't happen. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a sad end to what was a great career.

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Speaker 2: Because Jack, the thing is with the hacker's you perform

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Speaker 2: it together, You've kind of got no choice in the matter, right,

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Speaker 2: And for him to say something that had so much

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Speaker 2: meaning without telling his teammates, I think that's a little uncol.

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Speaker 4: Well, it sounds like he did raise raise it with

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Speaker 4: his teammates. The extent to which he raised it and

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Speaker 4: is probably up to debate. So I suppose if you

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Speaker 4: look at it from the other side, All Blacks management,

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Speaker 4: the team, senior management did know before they walked down

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Speaker 4: on the field. At least some of them knew that

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Speaker 4: TJ was going to be going offscript compared to most

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Speaker 4: of his other performances leading the Harker, they did have

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Speaker 4: an opportunity if they were really profoundly concerned about the

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Speaker 4: message he was going to be sharing, to pull him

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Speaker 4: either from that role or from the matchday squad. It

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Speaker 4: would have been an extreme call, But if they really

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Speaker 4: felt that strongly, I suppose that was available to them.

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Speaker 4: And I, you know, I push back a little bit

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Speaker 4: on the pedestal thing and sport people on politics. I

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Speaker 4: know that not everyone likes it when sports people speak up,

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Speaker 4: but we as a society are the ones who give

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Speaker 4: them these incredible, big platforms. And when you give someone

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Speaker 4: a platform, in my view, you can't really pick and

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Speaker 4: choose what they decided to do with it. And you know,

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Speaker 4: if TJ were to expect to have an all Blacks

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Speaker 4: leadership positions in New Zealand rugby after this, well then

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Speaker 4: he might duly expect some consequences from that decision. But ultimately,

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Speaker 4: we as a society decide to put these people on pedestals,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's on us when they decided to

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Speaker 4: use that attention.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Jack, except for it was on

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Speaker 2: work time, you know, like when you're doing the If

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Speaker 2: he was tweeting up a storm in the weekend, well

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Speaker 2: I don't really care, but Phil, I you know, to me,

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Speaker 2: that's where it sort of crosses into work territory.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. I agree with Jack if he wants

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Speaker 3: Earth flat, well that's fine. I'll take it on I'll

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Speaker 3: take it on advice. And because I know he's not

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Speaker 3: an expert on estrophysics, you know, but when he does

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Speaker 3: it in the middle of what should be the most

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Speaker 3: unifying act by anybody in New Zealand, the All Black Sacker,

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Speaker 3: I can't think of many more unifying acts than that,

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Speaker 3: then then I don't think it's wrong. And he should

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Speaker 3: have actually been more respectful of the traditions of the Hacker,

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Speaker 3: of the fact that the All Blacks are a big unifier.

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Speaker 3: And if you wanted to start after the game, it's fine.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's right, Jeck right about that. If he's

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Speaker 2: Hacker Fellow Riley and Jack tam on the huddle this evening,

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Speaker 2: both of them, I'm sure go to the corry lounge.

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Elevate the marketing of your.

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Speaker 2: Home fourteen away from sixth pill O'Reilly and Jack Tame

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Speaker 2: on the hudd to welcome back guys. So Jack, I'll

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Speaker 2: start with you because obviously you were US correspondent. You

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Speaker 2: were there for a portion of when Trump was in

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Speaker 2: first time round, and he's come out today and said

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Speaker 2: he's going to take whatever this means, take over Gaza

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Speaker 2: and build. What did you read? What are you thinking

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Speaker 2: when you're listening to that?

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Speaker 4: Ah? I mean I actually just try and temper my

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Speaker 4: because he does have a habit of going zero to

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Speaker 4: mean that the tariff stuff this week is quite a

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Speaker 4: good example.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: He comes out and says I'm going to put in

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Speaker 4: these massive tariffs and everyone goes, oh my god, the

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Speaker 4: stock market's freak out, and then two days later actually

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Speaker 4: pears it all back. I'm not saying who does it

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Speaker 4: pretty extreme suggestion for Gaza, and it's unlikely to go

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Speaker 4: anywhere for several main reasons. Number one, I can't see

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Speaker 4: Jordan in Egypt very happily taking all of the Palestinians

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Speaker 4: have sadly been stuck in Gaza for this time. And

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Speaker 4: likely to go. So keep in mind that the Americans

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Speaker 4: prioritize their relationship with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia before the

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Speaker 4: with Israel. They now say they won't be normalizing relationships

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Speaker 4: with Israel until Palestine has its own state. So I

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Speaker 4: can only imagine that if Trump were to push ahead

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Speaker 4: Israeli support, someone like the Saudis would come in and

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Speaker 4: mix it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as Sadi has already come out and

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Speaker 2: said they don't like they don't like the idea. Phil

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Speaker 2: It sounded to me almost like it was more of

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Speaker 3: Well exactly. I mean there's a just need to I

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Speaker 3: think he spoke clumsily, and I looked at I thought

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Speaker 3: a precedent for all this. It's after the second one,

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Speaker 3: what it's called the Marshall Plan, when the United States

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Speaker 3: invested heavily in the redevelopment and the rebuilding of Europe,

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Speaker 3: and that that worked out. Okay, didn't it? You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean? And I think there's a piece where

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Speaker 3: he says, you know, well, we'll clear it out, we'll

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Speaker 3: sort of it. I think that's the property developer speaking. Actually.

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Speaker 3: I think he's saying we can actually rebuild this. And

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Speaker 3: I take that level in many ways that you're not

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Speaker 3: even then. But let's be clear. I mean, there are

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Speaker 3: there that's rebuilding the Gaza strip and creating new businesses,

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Speaker 3: new employment opportunities, even if some of them are in tourism,

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Speaker 3: might actually be a good idea, and maybe we should

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Speaker 3: think about that rather than simply returning to some sort

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Speaker 3: of warlike states. So I take them at that level,

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Speaker 3: but I don't take him much. I don't take them

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Speaker 3: to Jack's point, is simply not going to occur. There's

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Speaker 3: being a part of that story. He also said, remember

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Speaker 3: North Korea. He said of some of the shortfront he

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Speaker 3: makes for some great condos. You know, you can take

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Speaker 3: think that's that's what he's really talking about. I think,

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either. Jack. Are you a

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Speaker 2: Cory Lounge user?

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Speaker 4: I am a coach US and I'm one of these

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Speaker 4: We go in there, and I think, for goodness sake,

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Speaker 4: cheap breath for four dollars. And here I am having

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Speaker 4: I take solace from the fact that when it comes

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Speaker 2: How at my tray? Tell what's it like in there, Philip?

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Speaker 2: Because I think here's the thing, I'm too cheap like.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether you get it as part of

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Speaker 2: your work package, Jack, but I'll be talking to you

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Speaker 2: offline after this about I don't but what does it cost?

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Speaker 2: It's like, what is it eight hundred dollars these days

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Speaker 2: or seven hundred dollars or something. I'm too cheap to

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Speaker 2: fork out for that, phil You know, I'd rather be

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Speaker 2: outside getting macas or something. Personally, I was just I.

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Speaker 3: Was just reflecting on the people, the lack of dignity

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Speaker 3: and occasionally when I need a glass of wine. I

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Speaker 3: lacked the dignity jobs that are pushing through, wading through

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Speaker 3: So yeah, but actually, well I haven't paid for it

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Speaker 3: for a long time. The reason was I fly. They frequently.

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Speaker 3: I'll be flying. It's a very very frequent flyer of

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Speaker 3: NIW zeal for thirty eight years now. So they give

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Speaker 3: I fly. But I can assure your listeners that it's

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Speaker 3: a pretty grim place, particularly Friday afternoon, domestic Corey lounge

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Speaker 4: When you've when you've been a member of the of

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Speaker 4: the Delta Club, I can assure you it's a whole

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Speaker 4: lot better than plenty of the international actions.

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Speaker 3: No, that's true. But I think by my point, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: is that if any zeald thinks they're going to make

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Speaker 3: I think they've got a bit more work to do,

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Speaker 3: certainly for customers like me. Where. Frankly, I've been flying

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Speaker 3: want to actually get customer loyalty, they certainly don't even

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Speaker 3: they can have to treat people better. Little flyers and

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Speaker 3: new lounges and flash new stuff like that's not going

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Speaker 3: to cut it.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? You need a T shirt that

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Speaker 2: says don't you know who I am? To solve the problem?

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 3: One day a petrol flash away? It must been a

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Speaker 3: bit of fun there too.

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Speaker 2: One day it'll all be ai, there'll be no people

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Speaker 2: there and they will know who you are.

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness me all right, Hey, thank you guys very much,

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Speaker 2: lovely to have you on. Just before White Tangy Fellow,

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Speaker 2: A and Saturday morning. I should really just stop being

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Speaker 2: a tight US and get myself a membership, shouldn't I?

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Speaker 2: But then the thing is you have to then also

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Speaker 2: get the Air New Zealand flight, So there's no point

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Speaker 2: in having kudoo if you're going to sometimes get a

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Speaker 2: the thirty nine dollars jet Star flight rather than the

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Speaker 2: two hundred twenty dollars in New Zealand. One is that

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Speaker 2: just me? I think that's a practical reasonable approach.

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