1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Changes to emergency housing take effect from today, so if 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: you're there for more than a week, you will be 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: required to do a number of things, talk to support services, 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: pay the emergency contribution on time, and make an effort 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: to move out. 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Now. 7 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: The former Wealthare Expert Advisory Group member Phillo Riley's with 8 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: us on this film. Morning to you, morning mate. There's 9 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: hardly onerous, is it. I mean, make a bit of 10 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: an effort, is what they're saying. 11 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: Well, really, what the government's trying to say is emergency 12 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: housing is the stab. It's an emergency and I've seen 13 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: a lot of the people saying, oh, this is dreadful, 14 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: and you'll see an increase in homelessness and show suspect Mike. 15 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: You might in the early days as people get used 16 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 2: to this new system, but they're looking at it over 17 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: the last few weeks. But you've got to say, you know, 18 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: emergency should just be that if have you covered every 19 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: other option available to you? Can you stay with family, 20 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: can you stay with friends? Is this really just a 21 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 2: temporary matter as this long term and so on? So 22 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: on that context, I think the policy is is a 23 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: sensible one. But to woild, I have a lot of 24 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: the people who will a lot of the usual suspects. 25 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: I feel like out of the other side really having 26 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: a go at. 27 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: It, did we ever get to the bottom of how 28 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: many people in emergency housing are genuinely therefore emergencies for 29 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: a short term solve a problem, versus people who just 30 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: will be anywhere and they'll just milk it off the 31 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: state for as long as they can. 32 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: You'll never know, Mike. I mean, the fact is that 33 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: you saw an explosion in this emergency housing and really 34 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: some quite tragedy, tragic outcomty. Of course, kids living in 35 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: motels for quite a long period of time, and that's 36 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: just not good good. And in fact, I see the government's 37 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: going to emphasize children. They're going to go to the 38 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: front of the queue families for children, and go to 39 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: the front of the que for emergency housing. But we 40 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: just will never know the nature of the approach because 41 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: what we were reclusingly seeing was that emergency wasn't necessarily emergency. 42 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean they don't ever need, but the 43 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: question was of an emergency need. And that's the last 44 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: government that think was interested in finding those numbers and 45 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: publishing them. So it's going to be a mystery. 46 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: Speaking which potuck in last week. So there's a thirty 47 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: three thirty four percent reduction of people in emergency housing. 48 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: They're claiming a victory. People then go, well, where are 49 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: they gone? Is it the government's job to know where 50 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: they've gone or not? 51 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: Do you think no, well, it's not. They may while 52 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: be staying with friends, and they may all be staying 53 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: with families. They may may well have made other arrangements. 54 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Now that doesn't necessarily mean that you won't have some 55 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: terrible circumstances going on over there the government's not aware of. 56 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, were the welfare system, 57 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: and the government's not about trying to find out where 58 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: every person is. It's trying to say, when you present 59 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: to us, do you have a real need? Is it 60 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: an emergency need? And therefore what will we do about that? 61 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: And can we ensure that it really is an emergency? 62 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: So that there will be a balance here to be 63 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: drawn between making sure that you really are treated well 64 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: in an emergency, but that you're not milking the system, 65 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: and that there's always going to be some losers out 66 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: of that much. There's going to be some some tragic 67 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: stories not out that we're going to hear, but I 68 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 2: think the government's on the right track here about saying 69 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: emergency should be about emergency. 70 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: Always pleasure to Fiel, appreciate it. Have a good week. Filler. 71 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: Riley Form, a Welfare Expert Advisory Group member with us 72 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: this morning. For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen 73 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: live to news talks there'd be from six am weekdays, 74 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.