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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can truck to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find a fag sack and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplicy Ellen, Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 1: power of satellite mobile news dogs.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming out today. We're going

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Speaker 3: to speak to a former CIA intelligence officer on where

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Speaker 3: he thinks the US run conflict goes next. Karen Schure,

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Speaker 3: the Children's Minister on a second round of boot camps.

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Speaker 3: And you're going to want to hear this one about

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Speaker 3: giving prisoners a phone in each of their cells.

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Speaker 4: Heather duplicy Ellen, all right, we.

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Speaker 3: Need to talk about Chris Luxen and this performance yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I mean we obviously understand. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 5: What we're saying is that we understand this. I don't

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Speaker 5: know how to be any clearer, guys, I mean, you know.

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Speaker 3: What's going wrong here? Ah, The Prime Minister doesn't want

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Speaker 3: to say what he actually thinks. He doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: take a position on the air strikes on a run.

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Speaker 3: If he says he supports the air strikes, then he

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Speaker 3: runs the risk of copying it from what may be

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Speaker 3: a majority but almost certainly is a vocal minority of

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Speaker 3: Kiwis who don't like anything that the US does militarily.

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Speaker 3: If he says he opposes the US air strikes, then

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Speaker 3: he runs the risks risk of that becoming a global headline,

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Speaker 3: as in New Zealand criticizes US air strikes and then

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Speaker 3: getting the country offside with the most volatile US president

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Speaker 3: in modern history and whatever that brings with it. So,

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Speaker 3: either way, he's in a bit of a position, isn't he.

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Speaker 3: A generous interpretation is that he's trying to protect New

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Speaker 3: to protect himself from unhappy voters. Now, the problem with

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Speaker 3: that is that it always ends up where it always

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Speaker 3: ends up with Chris Luxon trying to avoid a position.

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Speaker 3: He looks clumsy and he looks uncertain. It makes mistakes

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Speaker 3: like saying that he supports anything the US may do

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Speaker 3: to prevent nuclear weapons, including carpet bombing, which he's now

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Speaker 3: had to walk back today. Now Luxon's been here before,

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Speaker 3: hasn't he. I Mean, remember the three minute interview with

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Speaker 3: I'd say, in not wanting to pick between the two

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Speaker 3: he ended up creating a third position, which was to

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Speaker 3: election year, is the worst choice. Possibly it is better,

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Speaker 3: I think, to pick a position, even if it is

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Speaker 4: Hither duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninet two is the text number standard text peece apply.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure Barry Soopa will have something to say about

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Speaker 3: this later on, and then of course the Huddle will

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Speaker 3: definitely have something to say about twenty to six. Now

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Speaker 3: onto another subject. More and more parents are choosing to

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Speaker 3: send their kids to private schools. Ministry of Education data

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Speaker 3: twenty five period, private school enrollment grew by five times

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Speaker 3: the public system. Guy Pasco is the CEO of Independent

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Speaker 3: Schools of New Zealand and with us.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Guy, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. So why are parents choosing

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Speaker 3: private over public?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 8: I think parents are choosing for a wide range of reasons.

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Speaker 8: So you know, small class sizes that could be specific curriculum, Pedagogyes,

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Speaker 8: high academic results. The schools we represent range in size

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Speaker 8: lot of ranges of reasons in there. There's not really

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Speaker 3: How does that five year period compare to history.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, independent school enrollments in New Zealand have

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Speaker 8: hovered around about four percent nationally for actually quite a

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Speaker 8: I think there's lots of reasons for that. I think,

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Speaker 3: Also possible that during COVID we saw the decline in

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Speaker 8: I think one of the things that independent schools did

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Speaker 6: Now I was.

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Speaker 3: Wondering if this may turn around in the next few

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I can't really speculate on that, and certainly

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Speaker 8: we're not advocating for independent schools over state schools.

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Speaker 4: We want a.

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Speaker 8: Really strong, robust education system in New Zealand that all

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Speaker 3: Does it capture the charter schools as well.

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Speaker 8: No, it doesn't, so charter schools are part of the

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Speaker 3: But so if we look at it from a different lens,

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Speaker 8: It could do, but I can't speculate on that.

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Speaker 3: Guy. It's good to talk to you. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: your time, mate, Guy Pasco Independent Schools of New Zealand

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Speaker 3: CEO ever do for Cea Ellen heither the media was

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Speaker 3: terrible yesterday. I agree his response was not good, but

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Speaker 3: And so I think the problem voters don't like it.

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Speaker 3: But in this case, I think it is absolutely fair

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Speaker 3: it at that, right, But if you see this kind

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Speaker 3: don't know if you're aware, but the Iranian national women's

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Speaker 3: Hither way you just said that the introduction explains perfectly

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Speaker 3: why Luxeon's approval ratings is so consistently consistently low. He

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Speaker 3: A leader needs to have a position, well said seventeen

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Speaker 1: Generate celebrating great performances in sport and key we saver

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Speaker 3: Water Grave sports talk hosters with me right now, hey.

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Speaker 9: Dark here they do to splay.

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Speaker 3: How are you okay? So the boss of n Z

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Speaker 3: Rugby League has stepped down.

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Speaker 10: Greek Peters and after eight years, enough is enough.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to see here.

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Speaker 10: He's going to be on the show tonight, so kind

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Speaker 10: of ask me about that. I think he's come to

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Speaker 10: I've done really good stuff with New Zealand rugby league.

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Speaker 10: He's overseen a pretty difficult period over the last eight years,

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Speaker 9: Or England.

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Speaker 10: Sorry British nice lines, wrong sport Darcy. But he started

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Speaker 9: No idea one of in been.

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Speaker 10: all going Apparently he would have been his two hundred

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Speaker 10: and fiftieth All Black Match. The All Blacks can make it.

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Speaker 9: It's the spring box. He's been around a long long time.

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Speaker 10: Whether they need to turn him over because they've got

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Speaker 10: and you start again, and you build it up, always

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Speaker 10: taking into account the issues that caused the problems in

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Speaker 9: Essentially.

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Speaker 10: Let's just hope they can make the most of this opportunity.

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Speaker 10: You need someone still there. But I don't think you

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Speaker 10: What I find fascinating by this is sure they didn't

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Speaker 10: What happened in the Super eights they got washed out.

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Speaker 9: That is wretch, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's harsh, just what it is? All right?

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Speaker 1: What are you?

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Speaker 11: Who?

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Speaker 3: You got on the show?

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Speaker 9: Greek Beaters.

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Speaker 3: That's right, let's let's have a chat to Greg. I'm

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 12: So the full out from operation of Fury starting to

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Speaker 12: be felled to oils up. Joel Ruben is a former

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Speaker 12: the rest. Don't does that matter or not?

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Speaker 4: You know, in the near term it is not.

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Speaker 13: But if it drags on for weeks, yes, his base

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Speaker 12: And that's where we bring in jd.

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Speaker 10: Vance.

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Speaker 12: We've not heard from him. Is he representing the people

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Speaker 12: you just talked about?

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Speaker 13: I think if I'm here, I'm hiding because his brand

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Speaker 13: is associated with the exact opposite of the current policy. Frankly,

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Speaker 13: this is the price you paid to take the VP.

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Speaker 12: Slide back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: The day's newspakers talk to Hither First, Hither dupic Ellen

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Speaker 3: Murray Old is going to be at us out of

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Speaker 3: Australia around about fifteen minutes. It's four twenty five at

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Speaker 3: the moment. Oh, I know how much you love it

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Speaker 3: ediot's yarn for you, featuring this time Auckland Council. Let

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Speaker 3: a yarn. So Auckland Council has prosecuted a guy for

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Speaker 3: someone knacks on him to the council. So the council

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Speaker 3: comes by. They tell them to do a survey. He's

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Speaker 3: I did cut the He owns up right, He's like,

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Speaker 3: I did do that. Auckland Council then charges him, takes

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Speaker 3: chopping down the trees. The council wanted the court to

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Speaker 3: remembering they are asking for this having given him permission

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Speaker 3: to cut down the trees. Anyway, the court does the

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Speaker 3: That's the latest installment in the Council's already it's file here.

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Speaker 3: The luxe and needed to come out and show that

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Speaker 3: question for you, actually, what do you think they actually think?

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Speaker 3: Seems they don't want to take a position. I've been

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Speaker 3: wondering this. What do you reckon when Luxeon goes home

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Speaker 3: to Amanda and Winston goes home to jan What do

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Speaker 3: And they just go, do you know what I actually now?

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Speaker 3: I think America did thet thing? Do they say right thing?

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Speaker 3: Or do they say wrong thing? Nine two nine two?

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Speaker 3: Let me know. News is next.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplus Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else US talks.

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Speaker 6: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: So we are not going to be put off apparently

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Speaker 3: by all of the critics of round one of the

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Speaker 3: boot camps and the trials and what not. Stayed two

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Speaker 3: of the boot camps is about to kick off. So

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Speaker 3: the Children's Minister, Karen schu is going to be with

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Speaker 3: us just after five o'clock and talk us through that

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Speaker 3: Barry Soaper standing by. He'll be with us in ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on US talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: So obviously there have been more strikes on Iran. US

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Speaker 3: President Donald Trump says the war is going well.

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Speaker 14: This was our last best chance to strike. What we're

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Speaker 14: doing right now and eliminate the intolerable threats supposed by

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Speaker 14: this second sentis to regime.

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Speaker 3: How Speaker Mike Johnson says that the US got involved

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Speaker 3: because Israel was going to attack Iran with or without them.

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Speaker 15: Israel was determined to act in their own defense here

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Speaker 15: with or without American support. If Israel fired upon Iran,

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Speaker 15: it took action against Iran to take out the missiles,

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Speaker 15: then they would have immediately retaliated against US personnel and assets.

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Speaker 3: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nitinya, who says Iran is a

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Speaker 2: They've bombed your oom, which is they try to assassinate

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, the President of the United States twice.

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Speaker 7: They've murdered their.

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Speaker 2: Own people, They've massacred so many, and they spread a

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Speaker 3: And finally, and then in Idaho has caught a tennis

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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy seven feet, which basically by itself is amazing.

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Speaker 3: But how gutted would you be that you only got

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Speaker 3: it at one ninety nine and not two hundred.

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Speaker 1: Feet International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Murriol's Australia correspond with US now ha mus after Nandy

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Speaker 3: had so we have public displays of mourning as well?

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Speaker 6: Do we we do in Sydney? Yes, and denounced by

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Speaker 6: the premiere of New South Wales, Chris Mentz atrocious. A

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Speaker 6: late yesterday that Hamine, far from being a lowlighte swine

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Speaker 6: he was, in fact a renowned scholar, a global scholar.

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Speaker 6: Men's this morning said he was simply an evil man.

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Speaker 6: He won't be missed by most people. Thousands killed only

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Speaker 6: daring to oppose the regime. One boy of eleven or twelve,

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Speaker 6: According to the premiere. I've not seen this anywhere else,

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Speaker 6: he was gay, God forbid. This is in Iran, so

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Speaker 6: not too many tears shed for this guy. But in

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Speaker 6: post that declared that Hezbollah is the victor in all

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Speaker 6: of this. So look, there's some nasti stuff going on

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Speaker 6: in terms of people, you know, wanting to mourn the

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Speaker 6: tears for that fellow at all.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like it now. The trouble, of course

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Speaker 6: Oh? No, kidding absolutely right. Reserve Bank governor over here,

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Speaker 6: Michelle Bullock was out today saying it's look, it's too

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Speaker 6: early to know what impact this war, how long it is,

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Speaker 6: So it's impossible to say right now how impactful it's

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Speaker 6: going to be on the Australian economy. But we're warning

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Speaker 6: Oil prices are up ten percent. It's going to flow through.

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Speaker 6: And indeed airline fuel prices are set to soar as well,

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Speaker 6: there's one hundred and fifteen thousand Australians caught up in

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's a staggering number of people who are

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Speaker 3: So is the Australian government at the stage making moves

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Speaker 6: Well, they can't. There's no ability to fly planes in

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Speaker 6: no way done in the Australian government can get a

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Speaker 6: couple of aging hercules up there, lumbering up to the

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Speaker 6: golf and back of need about four hundred trips. She said,

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Speaker 6: the best way you can get home is on a

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Speaker 6: commercial flight, So just keep hassling an airline and as

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Speaker 6: soon as airspace opens up, no doubt the airlines want

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Speaker 6: to move these people for sure.

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Speaker 3: Mus how excited is Melbourne about the Formula.

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Speaker 6: One by jumping out of their skin because it's the

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Speaker 6: first race of the season oscopiashtri He was dudded cry

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Speaker 6: all the Australian F one fans. He was dubed by

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Speaker 6: Bluddy mclara, which, of course his name for Bruce McLaren,

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Speaker 6: wasn't it. But of course there's so the circus is

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Speaker 6: getting your town in dribs and drabs. We just spoke

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Speaker 6: about flights in and out of the Middle East. Apparently

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Speaker 6: the F one crowd has charted a number of planes

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Speaker 6: that will actually get down to Melbourne via circurity a

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Speaker 6: securitor's route, they don't have to go to the Middle East,

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Speaker 6: so all the cars are going to be on the grid.

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Speaker 6: But here's the news from Aston Martin. The only team

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Speaker 6: this season is going to have a Honda engine, and

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Speaker 6: all the engines are new, and apparently Aston Martin and

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Speaker 6: Honda have had a shocker. The car simply shakes to

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Speaker 6: bits when they put the hammer down, and there's not

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Speaker 6: you know, it's just been really very very poor. There's

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Speaker 6: battery problems as well. And so what they're going to

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Speaker 6: do is apparently qualify, which they have to qualify and

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Speaker 6: then run for a couple of three laps and then

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Speaker 6: pull out because if they don't, they're going to be

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Speaker 6: fined massive, massive fines or legal action or even the

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Speaker 6: loss of an entry slot for the team for the

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Speaker 6: rest of the season or certainly some races. This was

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Speaker 6: reported this morning on the nine television network. Over here.

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Speaker 6: There's something that I didn't know called the one hundred

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Speaker 6: and seven percent rule. You need to meet this to qualify.

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Speaker 6: It's a safety rule designed to make sure all the

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Speaker 6: cars are basically heather fast enough. They're all sort of

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Speaker 6: vaguely competitive, and they're going to be safe. Now in

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Speaker 6: the first phase of qualifying, any driver or car that

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Speaker 6: doesn't set a lap time within one hundred and seven

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Speaker 6: percent of the fastest time one can be bad from starting.

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Speaker 6: So look, it's terribly complicated, but make no mistake. They

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Speaker 6: are absolutely pumping down in Melbourne, redheads from all over

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Speaker 6: the country. You're going to be down there. I wish

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Speaker 6: I was there myself.

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Speaker 3: Oh good stuffs, thanks very much. Murray OL's Australia corresponded

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Speaker 3: seventeen away from five.

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Speaker 4: Heather, do.

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Speaker 3: Have a listened to this.

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Speaker 9: Lady?

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Speaker 16: Lady can't hold anymore.

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Speaker 17: Welcome to a red e bitch, Tinky, you're old.

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Speaker 3: Would it surprise you if I told you that's a

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Speaker 3: real estate advertisement. As an Auckland real estate agent, he's

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Speaker 3: gone viral. He's gone completely viral. He's gone viral through

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Speaker 3: the real estate agent ranks. He's gone viral just like

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Speaker 3: outside of that as well. As name is Mingway Chin

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Speaker 3: dresses up as characters like angels or mermaids or princesses

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Speaker 3: and then films himself in the houses that he's selling.

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Speaker 3: But he gets ai to do wacky things like sometimes

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Speaker 3: fly a flyer at the top of the houses. In

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Speaker 3: this video that I'm about to play you, he's in

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Speaker 3: a structure gold dress meant to look like it's made

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Speaker 3: out of a lot of feathers because he's playing the

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Speaker 3: character of Little Bird. And then he walks down a

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Speaker 3: red carpet placed on a random hill before using AI

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Speaker 3: to fly away off the hill and down into the

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Speaker 3: property that he's showcasing.

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Speaker 18: I'm Leader, Leader, Honeybird.

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Speaker 19: I'm trying to try to on my.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Row Health area. Now why I'm telling you

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Speaker 3: this is because you're going to listen to that and go,

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Speaker 3: this is nutty. This guy is so successful. He's listed

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Speaker 3: close to three hundred million dollars in property in one year.

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Speaker 3: He's got fifteen thousand people following his Wei chat channel,

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Speaker 3: over seven thousand Instagram followers. He's got thirty eight hundred

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Speaker 3: likes on TikTok. In the next video, I'm Gonna play You,

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Speaker 3: is dressed as the evil queen from snow White. I'm

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Speaker 3: the Cream merroor Merrow.

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Speaker 20: Tell me who build the best house in West of Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Obviously field homes. Go have a look. Telling you now

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Speaker 3: this is becoming a thing. There are some ladies who

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Speaker 3: are singing in their videos. There's the sky flying over

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Speaker 3: the top of it. I'm just saying, what did we

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Speaker 3: tell you yesterday? Massive surgeon listings across the country. There

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Speaker 3: are thousands of houses being listed. You want to stand out,

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Speaker 3: Matterson in your video Quarter to two.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centric Credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 4: Certainty.

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Speaker 3: Glen carl who is a former CIA intelligence terrorism officer,

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Speaker 3: is going to talk us through after five o'clock what

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Speaker 3: he thinks will happen next on the US Iran situation

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Speaker 3: right now thirteen away from five. Barry So for senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondence with US HI Barry. Good afternoon, Heather So,

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Speaker 3: no surprise, but Iran dominated the start of parliament today absolutely.

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Speaker 21: First of all, I'll touch on the question that Chris

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Speaker 21: Luxen attempted to answer very clumsily at his news conference

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Speaker 21: yesterday afternoon. I mean, you know, he couldn't have possibly

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Speaker 21: answered the question anyway because he was asked because he

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Speaker 21: had said he had sported anything to stop the Iranian scourge.

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Speaker 21: Then somebody went on to say, well, would you support

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Speaker 21: carpet bombing? Well, of course he wouldn't support that. But

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Speaker 21: I think what he should be is more assertive when

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Speaker 21: he's asked a question like that, it's preposterous because it

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Speaker 21: should have been asked to a military person, not to

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Speaker 21: a prime minister. The prime minister isn't in charge of

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Speaker 21: operations when you respond, and he wouldn nobody would support

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Speaker 21: that anyway, so that maybe puts it into some sort

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Speaker 21: of comment.

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Speaker 3: I asked somebody today why it is because our position

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Speaker 3: is not altogether that different from Australia and Canadas, but

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Speaker 3: their prime ministers have not been tied up in the

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Speaker 3: knots that our prime ministers.

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Speaker 21: But then that all comes from impact the Ministry of

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Speaker 21: Foreign Affairs and Trade.

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Speaker 9: I mean they you know, they are pedantek.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is our positions are not that different.

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Speaker 3: So why haven't their prime ministers ended up in this

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Speaker 3: situation where they're stumbling around? And I asked somebody that

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Speaker 3: today and they said, it's simply because those prime ministers

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Speaker 3: have very short press conferences. In some cases they only

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Speaker 3: take a number of questions or none.

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Speaker 21: At all, And like Jason dar Dern, they'll point to

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Speaker 21: certain journalists and then they will point to another one

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Speaker 21: and not let a second question be asked. And to me,

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Speaker 21: they won't let yes, that's a manipulation of the media

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Speaker 21: in a way, but it is.

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Speaker 3: To your point, which is he needs to be more

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Speaker 3: assertive and say that person, that person if he.

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Speaker 9: Doesn't want to get into this situation.

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Speaker 21: Absolutely, But in Parliament today Luxon moved emotion that the

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Speaker 21: House express its concern at the conflict in the Middle East,

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Speaker 21: not surprisingly that it deplores civilian casualties and calls on

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Speaker 21: all parties to respect international law. Interestingly and calls for

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Speaker 21: the diplomatic process and the de escalation of activities in

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Speaker 21: the Middle East. Hipkins moved an amendment to that, saying

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Speaker 21: MPs express their concern that these actions are contrary to

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Speaker 21: international law and a violation of the UN Charter.

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Speaker 9: So that's where he comes from. The amend was lost,

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Speaker 9: Needless to say, here's the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 5: Through diplomacy, Iran has been presented with multiple opportunities to

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Speaker 5: dismantle its nuclear program and end its support for those

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Speaker 5: terrorist proxy groups. It has chosen not to heed those calls.

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Speaker 5: We have long supported actions to prevent Iran from undertaking

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Speaker 5: a ballistic missile and nuclear program that flouts international law,

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Speaker 5: supporting terrorist organizations in the Middle East and further afield

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Speaker 5: and perpetrating brutal acts of violence, murder, and repression against

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Speaker 5: its own people. Mister speaker, I want to acknowledge that

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Speaker 5: there are different views on the legitimacy of the actions

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Speaker 5: taken by the US and Israel. I respect those views

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Speaker 5: and the vigor with which they have been offered. New Zealand,

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Speaker 5: unlike Iran, is a flourishing democracy. We want this crisis

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Speaker 5: to end as quickly as possible. Escalation by Iran and

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Speaker 5: its proxies through retaliatory attacks across the goal from beyond

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Speaker 5: is reprehensible and not the pathway out of this crisis.

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Speaker 22: The struggle of the Iranian people cannot be used to

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Speaker 22: excuse military action that breaches international law and risks destabilizing

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Speaker 22: the entire region and further beyond. Mister speaker, it didn't

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Speaker 22: work in Iraq, it didn't work in Afghanistan, and it

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Speaker 22: won't work in Iran.

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Speaker 16: When is the world going to.

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Speaker 22: Learn the clear lessons of history. Dropping bombs, creating chaos

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Speaker 22: and then walking away will not give the Iranian people

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Speaker 22: the future that they deserve.

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Speaker 9: And it's particularly so.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I've been to Afghanistan, and when you consider

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Speaker 21: you know, that the Russians were driven out of Afghanistan

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Speaker 21: in came the Americans, Taliban were driven out, Americans leave

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Speaker 21: Taliban's back.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you know, I've.

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Speaker 21: Always wondered about American a foreign policy, although with Donald

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Speaker 21: Trump you have to keep wondering about what his mind

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Speaker 21: is saying to him. But also in Parliament today I

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Speaker 21: thought a lot of the argument and it was close

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Speaker 21: to forty minutes This afternoon in Parliament centered on the

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Speaker 21: atrocities being carried out in Iran, with Mali Party co

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Speaker 21: leader Raweri Waited team finishing it. The debate up with

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Speaker 21: what he reckons should happen now?

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Speaker 11: Foreign policy should be grounded an international law, Malori, lateral

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Speaker 11: diplomacy and the protection of civilian life. We call on

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Speaker 11: New Zealand government to publicly condemn unilateral military aggression, advocate

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Speaker 11: for immediate de escalation, stop aligning with the USA and

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Speaker 11: being a proxy for the for Zionism being the doorway

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Speaker 11: for their military agenda here in the Pacific. Kick the

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Speaker 11: FBI up, the United States and Israeli ambassadors. Let's put

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Speaker 11: a poe in.

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Speaker 9: The ground, so kick everybody out.

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Speaker 3: Let's see Mary Party a sensible construct contribution. Thank you

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Speaker 3: very appreciate it, very so for senior political correspondence Seven

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Speaker 3: away from five, Heather, The Iranian people in the Gulf

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Speaker 3: States are lining up to support the US and Israel.

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Speaker 3: Why won't our politicians, Well, probably because our voters don't

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Speaker 3: necessarily like it, as far as I can see. Get caught.

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Speaker 3: And this is by no means scientific. But you know,

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Speaker 3: there are some polls running on various media outlets at

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Speaker 3: the moment, and as I say, it's really not scientific,

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Speaker 3: like it's just if you stumble across and you can

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Speaker 3: click f or no, I don't the poort, but at

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Speaker 3: the moment it's running on not support being the majority.

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Speaker 3: So I would say that's probably the reason. Now Andrew

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Speaker 3: Bailey the news today in terms of national mpieces. Andrew

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Speaker 3: Bailey has decided he's not going to contest the Port

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Speaker 3: Waikantal seat. He says the reason for that is that

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Speaker 3: he's going to go on the list. Reason for that

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Speaker 3: is because he's moving down to the South Island and

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Speaker 3: you know, people in an electric should be represented by

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Speaker 3: someone who lives in the electorate, which I think is

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Speaker 3: possibly true. The other possibility is what we've been hearing

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Speaker 3: in the background for quite a few weeks and months

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Speaker 3: now is that he was not going to be selected

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Speaker 3: and National was trying to find somebody and suggesting other

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Speaker 3: people to stand there against him and basically take the

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Speaker 3: seat off him. And this would be as a result

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Speaker 3: of breaking ranks with the pro Remember we needed that

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Speaker 3: interview with us in November and explained what happened with

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Speaker 3: the old touching the arm and stuff. I said at

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Speaker 3: the time, I was like, he sealed his fate. If

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Speaker 3: you break ranks the Prime Minister on the official story,

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Speaker 3: you're not going to get selected. And also you know

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Speaker 3: probably the old loser stuff and all that stuff has

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Speaker 3: just became too much. Anyway, Andrew Bailey, whether he gets

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Speaker 3: in on the list is the question because if current polling,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know that Nikola Willis or Chris Bishop

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Speaker 3: gets in on the list. So that's the thing. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: We're going to chat to the former CIA intelligence officer

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Speaker 3: next and also GRAB one is making a bit of

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Speaker 3: a revival. Will it work? We'll discuss news TGSZB. I'm just.

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Speaker 4: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duper Clan drive with One New Zealand to

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Speaker 1: coverage like no one else news dogs hevv.

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Speaker 6: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So the Iran conflict, it's nearing day four now. The

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Speaker 3: US has now urged its citizens to leave fourteen Middle

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Speaker 3: East countries. Donald Trump says he expects the water last

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Speaker 3: four to five weeks, but he does have the capability

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Speaker 3: to go a lot longer, and he's not ruling out

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Speaker 3: sending in troops. Glenn Carl is a FORMACYII intelligence officer

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Speaker 3: HIG Glenn, Hello, do you get the sense that this

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Speaker 3: conflict has widened faster than perhaps even the US expected?

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Speaker 23: I don't think so. It was pretty clear. I think

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Speaker 23: that if the United States attacked Iran, that Iran would

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Speaker 23: respond by trying to strike American facilities throughout the region.

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Speaker 23: And that's really what they've done. And I also think

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Speaker 23: so far I got something else right, which was that

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Speaker 23: the Iranians would initially at least attempt or decide rather

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Speaker 23: not to go after an aircraft carrier or the ships,

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Speaker 23: because that I think would be viewed as an inflection

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Speaker 23: point in the United States would then clearly decide to

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Speaker 23: destroy the regime entirely. So so far, attacking the American

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Speaker 23: bases throughout the region has meant that the Iranians are

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Speaker 23: striking most everywhere really, but that has not surprised me.

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Speaker 3: What does Trump mean you think when he says the

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Speaker 3: hardest hit is yet to come?

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Speaker 23: Well, I think that I don't think Trump. I think

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Speaker 23: often Trump doesn't really know what he's saying. He's speaking

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Speaker 23: is sort of vague, vague terms without having reading things out. However,

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Speaker 23: in this instance, I think what that must mean really

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Speaker 23: is that it's relatively straightforward to go after air defense

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Speaker 23: systems and the missile launch systems and the specific command

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Speaker 23: and control locations. Those are the targets that you initially

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Speaker 23: go after. And then after that what do you do?

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Speaker 23: Because without soldiers on the ground, you'll have a mass

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Speaker 23: of armed men with Ak forty sevens and machine guns

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Speaker 23: and tanks and so on in the Revolutionary Guards who

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Speaker 23: can't strike beyond the border of Iran, except maybe with

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Speaker 23: some relatively low technology drones like the Shahedrons. But then

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Speaker 23: what does what does the United States and Israel do

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Speaker 23: to force whoever is holding the guns out or to

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Speaker 23: do what the United States wants? So that's certainly harder

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Speaker 23: than blowing up air defense systems.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what do you think happens? At that point.

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Speaker 23: The only sensible way forward or for what the United

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Speaker 23: States is doing at present to make sense, is that

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Speaker 23: you destroy the ability of Iran to extra size military power,

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Speaker 23: really effectively beyond its border, and then you break the

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Speaker 23: crockery of the leadership so that some other regime leaders

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Speaker 23: can take power that could turn into strife among factions,

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Speaker 23: into a civil war, or one would hope, but this

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Speaker 23: is everyone can hope. It doesn't add up to much.

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Speaker 23: In wait often that there is some plausible alternative power

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Speaker 23: around which to rally in view or nascent, whether it's

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Speaker 23: someone like former President Katani. And I don't want to

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Speaker 23: curse the man, not that I'm a by mentioning his name,

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Speaker 23: not that I'm a defender of him at all, but

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Speaker 23: he has he was a moderate, certainly in the context

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Speaker 23: of Iranian politics the last forty years, or you know, generally,

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Speaker 23: when there's revolutionary situation, some general and control of some

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Speaker 23: faction of our forces, you can try to step forward.

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Speaker 23: Who knows, but that would seem to be the only

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Speaker 23: likely evolution, Massy as unclear as that.

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Speaker 3: Is, Glenn, thank you for talking us through. To appreciate

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Speaker 3: your expertise. Glen Carle Pharmacy IA Intelligence Officer eleven past.

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Speaker 4: Five the duples.

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Speaker 3: The second bootcamp pilot is kicking off on Monday. It

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Speaker 3: will involve ten new teenagers. The time that they will

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Speaker 3: spend in the facility will double from three to six months,

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Speaker 3: and the remaining six months will be spent in the community.

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Speaker 3: Children's Minister Karen churs with us. Now, hi, Karen, he yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm well thank you. Why are we doing a second pilot.

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Speaker 18: Because the first five pilot really showed promising results and

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Speaker 18: driving change for these young people for the better when

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Speaker 18: they're out in the community. We've seen some really positive

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Speaker 18: results in regards to their to how they're behaving they

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Speaker 18: back out in the community. We can't just keep having

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Speaker 18: a revolving door policy and allowing them to just keep

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Speaker 18: coming in and out without actually supporting them once they

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Speaker 18: return to community. And it's not just about the young people.

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Speaker 18: It's about their siblings, it's about their family, and it's

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Speaker 18: about their wider community. And this has shown some real

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Speaker 18: positive results in that space.

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Speaker 3: What crimes have these ten teenagers committed To.

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Speaker 18: Be part of the program itself, they must have committed

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Speaker 18: crimes punishable of up to teen years have proven in

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Speaker 18: court twice, so they're pretty serious offenders. They repeat offenders,

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Speaker 18: and things that we've tried before haven't worked, so we

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Speaker 18: need a more intensive wrap around program really concentrating on

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Speaker 18: what's behind their behaviors.

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Speaker 3: And the doubling of the time that they spend in

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Speaker 3: the facility is that basically to get them away from

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Speaker 3: whatever it is their family or their friends or theirs

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Speaker 3: or whatever that's causing them to fall out of line.

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Speaker 24: Essentially partially, but part of the evaluation on the report

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Speaker 24: and that's available for the public to see, actually stated

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Speaker 24: that more time within residence would have been.

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Speaker 18: Helpful because we were still working through some of those issues.

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Speaker 18: They were dealing with family reconnection and all that was

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Speaker 18: done in a space which was safe for the young

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Speaker 18: person and safe for the family themselves. Just gives a

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Speaker 18: bit of extra time to work through some of those things.

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Speaker 3: When they go back into the community, because that feels

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Speaker 3: to me like the high risk point where they just

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Speaker 3: get basically fall into the same old behavior. Have you

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Speaker 3: got more support then yes.

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Speaker 18: So there were learnings when it comes to the matching

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Speaker 18: of mentoring actually creating a relationship between the young person

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Speaker 18: and the mentor a bit earlier, having more interaction with

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Speaker 18: the mentor coming into that in residence program, em bonding beforehand.

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Speaker 18: The young people have a lot of stay and who

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Speaker 18: their mentor is, so we worked through that a lot

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Speaker 18: better than we did the first time round.

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Speaker 3: All right, karens and good luck with it and looking

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Speaker 3: forward to seeing how this goes. Karen, sure the Children's

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Speaker 3: Minister fourteen past five.

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Speaker 23: Do for c Llen.

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Speaker 3: I suspect that well. I think the government I don't

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Speaker 3: think it well, but I think the government may want

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Speaker 3: to rethink the old LNG terminal that it plans to

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Speaker 3: build to bring down power prices, because we've just had

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Speaker 3: a taste of how that could go badly wrong, haven't we.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if you're aware of this, but

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Speaker 3: as a result of what's going on in Iran, LNG

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Speaker 3: price is shot up by fifty percent overnight. Now they

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Speaker 3: have come back ever so slightly. They're now sitting forty

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Speaker 3: percent higher than they were, but percent is quite a lot.

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Speaker 3: And that's because an Iranian drone strike shut the Katari

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Speaker 3: LNG plant. And this is the very thing that we

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Speaker 3: were worried about and warned about, weren't we, Which is,

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Speaker 3: if you build the LNG terminal and then you become

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Speaker 3: reliant on the l and G, you subject yourself to

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Speaker 3: global volatility. This is what global volatility volatility looks like.

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Speaker 3: Quarter past. We'll deal with grab one next. Here the

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Speaker 3: Karen Shiw does an amazing job advocating for children despite

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Speaker 3: massive backlash and bullying against so I would actually agree

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Speaker 3: with that. Eighteen past five. Now grab one is coming

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Speaker 3: back from the dead. You'll remember the website shutdown last

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Speaker 3: year after the business as Ossie owner went into the liquidation.

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Speaker 3: But Wellington Business Paradigm has bought grab one and is

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Speaker 3: going to relaunch it and Paul Rayburn is the new

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Speaker 3: head of grab one and with us Now.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Paul, Hi, You going ahead, Paul?

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Speaker 3: What are you going to do differently to make this

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Speaker 3: succeed when it didn't succeed before?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 25: Well, we sat down with lots of merchants so the

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Speaker 25: last sort of four weeks, and what came early obvious

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Speaker 25: is that the way they were paid sort of it

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Speaker 25: was so optimal. Let's say that. So we've engaged with

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Speaker 25: strip payments and we're going to get money to merchants

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Speaker 25: a lot faster. And also as part of our portfolio

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Speaker 25: of companies. We believe we have the digital marketing talent

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Speaker 25: tolplify the deals and not be so reliant on the email.

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Speaker 25: I guess it's you know, a bit of a bit

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Speaker 25: of a risk, but we do back ourselves to try

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Speaker 25: and get the cadence of the purchases up, in the

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Speaker 25: quality of the deals up. We're getting rid of the

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Speaker 25: I guess the temuisk type products.

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Speaker 6: They grabbed one.

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Speaker 25: They've been on grab one for the last ten years,

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Speaker 25: so it's just going to be.

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Speaker 3: Experiences temuwisk type products like you drop.

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Speaker 25: Ship products, so any I don't know, like a phone,

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Speaker 25: cable or tooth brush heads or any of that stuff

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Speaker 25: that became about eighty percent of a deal page. So

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Speaker 25: that spiced your attention. So they were actually heading their targets,

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Speaker 25: but it was through like four hundred different deals, but

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Speaker 25: only actual experiences.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the other problem, I'll tell you what I mean,

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Speaker 3: example of one, so Paul take it, take it as

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Speaker 3: with a grain of salt. But why I dropped off

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Speaker 3: in the end was it became the stuff that that

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Speaker 3: was available. It was mainly events, you know, living type

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Speaker 3: things like go on go on a bungee jump or

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Speaker 3: whatever became stuff that was not really what I wanted

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Speaker 3: to do in my daily life. What I wanted was

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Speaker 3: a voucher to go to the restaurant down the road

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Speaker 3: from me. Do you think that's part of the problem.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's that's that's the hard bit.

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Speaker 25: So we've brought back probably half a dozen of key

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Speaker 25: grab on employees that were a circle like twenty ten

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Speaker 25: to twenty fifteen, and they're really energized to get grab

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Speaker 25: one back to what it was. They understand the food

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Speaker 25: and beverage modeling of how to put a deal together

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Speaker 25: one hundred percent. Concur I stopped looking at grab one

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Speaker 25: probably five or six years ago because of the same reason.

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Speaker 25: It wasn't anything that I wanted to do there. But

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Speaker 25: we've got some real heat today like Quarters, Hotels, Flamingo, Scooters,

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Speaker 25: Holy Molly, like all those staples. But yeah, that is

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Speaker 25: the challenges to go and get that nice food and

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Speaker 25: beverage offering for people like yourself.

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Speaker 3: Hey, well, best of luck with it, Paul, look after yourself.

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Speaker 3: As Paul Rayburn the new grab one boss. Listen, just

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Speaker 3: on the situation with Iran Benjamin Ninya, who has given

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Speaker 3: an interview to Fox As speaking to Sean Hannity on

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Speaker 3: the allegations that he dragged the US into this war

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Speaker 3: in Iran.

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Speaker 26: You know, there are people that say, wow, the Prime

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Speaker 26: Minister of Israel dragged Donald Trump into it. And as

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Speaker 26: somebody that's been friends with him over thirty years, nobody

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Speaker 26: drags Donald Trump into anything, number one. But I want

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Speaker 26: to get your reaction to that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're right, I mean, that's that's ridiculous. Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: is the strongest leader.

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Speaker 4: In the world.

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Speaker 3: I mean, no one likes a sick a fan, but

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Speaker 3: there you go, it's ridiculous. Apparently, let's deal mixed with

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Speaker 3: what's been going on with Gloria Vale's former leader five

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Speaker 3: twenty one on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your

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Speaker 1: car on your drive home, it's Heather duper c Ellen

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite

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Speaker 1: mobile news talks, they'd be.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I can't believe I haven't told you about

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Speaker 3: the yet, but I need to tell you about the

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Speaker 3: phones and the jails, so standby. Will get to it shortly.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty four past five now if you want an

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Speaker 3: example of why some have lost faith in the judicial system,

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Speaker 3: take a look at what has apparently happened to the

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Speaker 3: disgraced former leader of Glori of al Howard Temple. The

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Speaker 3: Herald has learned and just printed today that the High

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Speaker 3: Court has quashed his jail sentence and replaced it with

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Speaker 3: home d which means that instead of serving twenty six

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Speaker 3: months in the slammer, he will now be able to

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Speaker 3: serve his sentence at home for more than twenty years

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Speaker 3: worth of sexual offending against girls and women, twenty years

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Speaker 3: which most of which happened while he was the leader

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Speaker 3: of the sect. Now it is not an understatement, I think,

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Speaker 3: to say that this is exactly the kind of outcome

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Speaker 3: that will make victims of sexual offending wonder what the

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Speaker 3: bloody point is when they consider taking their allegations to court.

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Speaker 3: It is exactly the kind of case that demonstrates why

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Speaker 3: the Government had to move to change the Sentencing Act

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Speaker 3: and make it tougher, because there is a good argument

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Speaker 3: here that the judge in this case hasn't actually made

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Speaker 3: a mistake. They've just done what the Sentencing Act requires

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Speaker 3: them to do, which is to sentence and offender to

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Speaker 3: the least restrictive sentence possible under the old settings, and

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Speaker 3: that would be home d. Now, if you're wondering why

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Speaker 3: the sentencing in this case happened under the old settings

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Speaker 3: and not under the new settings following the changes to

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Speaker 3: the Sentencing Act, it's because the Sentencing Act changes are

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Speaker 3: not retrospective. They don't affect sentences of offenders who committed

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Speaker 3: their crimes before the law was passed. They only affect

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Speaker 3: the sentences from the point of the law being passed

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Speaker 3: and forward. But changes like these are really important. Right,

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Speaker 3: we've seen what happened. Because the government has put more

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Speaker 3: cops on the beaten, cracked down on kids doing ram raids.

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Speaker 3: There are now forty nine thousand fewer victims of crime

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Speaker 3: in the latest stats. It's just a pity that the

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Speaker 3: government's tightening up of the sentencing laws didn't catch this

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Speaker 3: creep and put them in jail where he belongs for

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Speaker 3: what he did for more than twenty years.

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Speaker 4: Ever, duper slen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so apparently we need to make changes to prisons

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Speaker 3: because people in prisons are not spent let's call them

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Speaker 3: what they are, criminals are not able to spend enough

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Speaker 3: time on the phone talking to their kids now as

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Speaker 3: a parent, I mean, it's not the kid's fault. I

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Speaker 3: have some sympathy for the situations. Obviously not the child's

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Speaker 3: fault that their parents ended up behind bars. But I

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Speaker 3: suspect that going so far as to put phones in

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Speaker 3: every single cell might be just going a little bit far,

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Speaker 3: if you know what I mean, Because I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you're aware of what these dudes do once they

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Speaker 3: get a little cell phone in their hands, as they

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Speaker 3: start doing all kinds of criminal activity, don't they. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm I Apparently that's my view, not of you.

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Speaker 3: That's held by Christine McCarthy, who thinks, in fact that

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Speaker 3: this is the Howard League for Penal Reform, thinks it's

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Speaker 3: a great idea to put the phones in this in

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Speaker 3: the cells. She's gonna be with us after the news

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Speaker 3: to standby for that. Also, I need to run. Finally,

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Speaker 3: thank god somebody printed this, but I've been waiting for

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Speaker 3: this article to appear. It's appeared in this Sunday Morning Herald.

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Speaker 3: This is what if you think that Trump is acting

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Speaker 3: randomly at the moment, like randomly he goes after Venezuela

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Speaker 3: randomly Greenland randomly goes after Iran. If you think it's

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Speaker 3: all random, it's not. And I've been waiting for somebody

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Speaker 3: to print this and I'm going to read this that

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Speaker 3: the Pertinent bits to you before six o'clock, so police

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Speaker 3: that it's really like super informative. So stand by and

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Speaker 3: we'll get to that shortly. Anyway, steal all the prisoners.

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Speaker 3: First news talks, y'd be.

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Speaker 4: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Do for c Ellen Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand coverage like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 9: The'd be.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're aware of this, but obviously

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Speaker 3: what's going on in the Middle East has disrupted a

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Speaker 3: whole lot of travel. It's also kind of left people

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Speaker 3: fending for themselves because given it's a war, there is

959
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Speaker 3: no insurance. So we'll have a chat to Consumer New

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Speaker 3: Zealand's John Duffy about that. After six, we've got Huddle

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Speaker 3: standing by. It's Morris Williamson and Phil Goff this evening

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Speaker 3: and right now it's twenty five away from six. Now

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Speaker 3: let's talk about jails and phones, our phones in jails

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Speaker 3: rather because there's a call for more of these things.

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Speaker 3: To the extent that phones should now be installed apparently

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Speaker 3: in each prison cell. The former president of the Wellington

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Speaker 3: Howard Lead, Christine McCarthy, is petitioning Parliament for the change

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Speaker 3: and she's with us now. High Christine, Hi, why would

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Speaker 3: you like to see this happen?

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Speaker 23: Well, what I'm.

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Speaker 19: Actually petitioning for is to increase the hour that sorry,

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Speaker 19: the minutes per week that prisoners can use on the phone.

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Speaker 19: So currently they've got a legal requirement for five minutes

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Speaker 19: per week and I think that should go to an hour.

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Speaker 19: And part of the work I did in looking at that,

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Speaker 19: I found that increasingly overseas sales having phones in them,

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Speaker 19: and that has huge benefits in terms of prisoner has

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Speaker 19: been able to communicate with their families. For example, issues

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Speaker 19: we have at the moment are maybe sixty men trying

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Speaker 19: to get two phones at a time when their kids

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Speaker 19: are at school, so they can't talk to them. So

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Speaker 19: there's a whole lot of sort of scheduling issues that

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Speaker 19: would be depletely removed if there were phones in every cell.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Is there also access access issues for lawyers?

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Speaker 19: That's a slightly different issue. Yes, there are excess issues

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Speaker 19: for lawyers, but that's a there's no limit in terms

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Speaker 19: of like the five minutes a week is for them

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Speaker 19: to talk to families and things like that. The legal

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Speaker 19: calls are a separate category of call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and five minutes five minutes goes by pretty fast,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it. Do you think though? I mean, if you

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Speaker 3: were to put a cell for a phone rather in

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Speaker 3: each cell, would there be restrictions on how that is used?

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Speaker 19: Well, one of the wonderful things is that we have

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Speaker 19: increasingly wonderful technology. So you have to remember the context

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Speaker 19: that prisoners have to apply every telephone number that they're

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Speaker 19: going to ring, that has to be approved. And when

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Speaker 19: you have sort of electronic systems, I mean, you know

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Speaker 19: in terms of even just in terms of the electronic

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Speaker 19: systems that you have in terms of radio and stuff.

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Speaker 19: The way you can monitor stuff, the way you can

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Speaker 19: access and record things is just you know, way ahead

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Speaker 19: than when they put this in place in the nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 19: So this is over thirty years ago they set that limit.

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Speaker 3: Right, And would be would it be on phones that

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Speaker 3: would only be able to make calls out or would

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Speaker 3: they receive calls as well?

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 19: At the moment, this is just about the outgoing cause

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Speaker 19: I mean, if you really want the sort of details

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Speaker 19: our only private prison, Circo has in cell phones.

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Speaker 4: Do they Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Are they able to be hacked by the prisoner? No,

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Speaker 3: what I'm talking about it or anything about electronics, But

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Speaker 3: it seems to me, if it's electronic, it can be hacked.

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Speaker 19: Well, I don't think that that doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 19: a problem that's been raised interest as far as I'm aware.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And do they get up to nefarious things on

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Speaker 3: these phones and Circo cells.

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Speaker 19: Not that I'm aware of. You have to remember again,

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Speaker 19: you know that the electron it's a very easy to

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Speaker 19: sort of monitor and terms of stuff in all the

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Speaker 19: numbers that are allowed to be used, well ones that

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Speaker 19: have been.

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Speaker 3: Better, Christine, we say everything's easy to be monitored. But

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Speaker 3: before you know, they've got a phone up there, bum

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Speaker 3: and they've got it in the South. So these guys

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Speaker 3: will find workarounds, won't they.

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Speaker 19: I'm talking about the phones that corrections control.

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Speaker 3: I'm aware of what you're talking about. I'm just trying

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Speaker 3: to I'm trying. What I'm trying to illustrate is they

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Speaker 3: find workarounds. They don't work within the limits of the

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Speaker 3: system anyway. Christine, thank you very much, really appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Christine McCarthy, former president of the Wellington Howard League for

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Speaker 3: Penal Reform. Right now, it's twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle of us this evening we have Morris

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Speaker 3: Williams and Auckland councilor, former National Party minister, and Phil Goff,

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Speaker 3: former Labor Party minister, Auckland mayor and ambassador. Hello, are

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Speaker 3: you too all right?

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Speaker 9: Morris?

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Speaker 3: What do you think's gone wrong for luxon On?

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Speaker 27: I ran, Look, I think Luckslin's always had a problem,

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Speaker 27: and I'm going to be a little bit different to

1047
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Speaker 27: my normal criticism of him tonight. I think his staff

1048
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Speaker 27: need to be hauled over the coals. You can't have

1049
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Speaker 27: a prime minister who's as busy as he is and

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Speaker 27: he's running cabinet, he's doing papers, when he goes out

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Speaker 27: to do his press conference, isn't well briefed on what

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Speaker 27: he's likely to face, how he's going to answer that,

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Speaker 27: and be really well prepared for them. And I'd also

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Speaker 27: start very much limiting the number of questions I do

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Speaker 27: as a postcatter, you don't need to do that many.

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Speaker 27: He just looks dreadful from time to time because it's

1057
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Speaker 27: a word salad answer that doesn't say anything gets him

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Speaker 27: into trouble and the next day all the humor has

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Speaker 27: been laughing about how appallingly he was at handling questions.

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Speaker 3: Phil It seems to me his problem here is he

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Speaker 3: didn't want to take a position.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, yeah, look, it was an appalling performance. I think

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Speaker 28: everybody agrees to that. Was he well briefed. I think

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Speaker 28: he would have been briefed. I think he just didn't

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Speaker 28: want to say what the truth was, and the truth

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Speaker 28: was the briefing from Foreign Affairs would have said, this

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Speaker 28: attack is not legal under international law, and it's contrary

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Speaker 28: to the United Nations Charter that New Zealand helped and

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Speaker 28: signed up to. They probably also would have told him

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Speaker 28: that Trump's claim that the US was responding to an

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Speaker 28: imminent threat was false and we all know that because

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Speaker 28: that's what the American intelligence and the Pentagon are saying

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Speaker 28: right now. So you know, he didn't want to criticize Trump,

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Speaker 28: so he tried to fudget and he looked awful.

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Speaker 27: Well, the only problem with that fell is that was

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Speaker 27: a briefing here of got from men Fat I have

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Speaker 27: no doubt about it. But he has his own staff

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Speaker 27: that a political advice is about what he can and

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Speaker 27: can't do and what say, and he needs to get

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Speaker 27: that strapped down very clearly and give a good answer,

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Speaker 27: even if it's something people don't like or disagree with.

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Speaker 27: But I think it was Margaret Thatcher that said the

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Speaker 27: best way in politics to ever be popular is to

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Speaker 27: try to please everyone.

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Speaker 3: Exactly right. But Nick Morris, do we actually want to

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Speaker 3: take a position here as a country.

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Speaker 27: Well, I would have thought my line would be like this.

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Speaker 27: If there was some evil gangs sended somewhere in the

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Speaker 27: city and they were just killing people and selling the

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Speaker 27: worst drugs and so on, we would expect to have

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Speaker 27: a police force go in and arrest them and they

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Speaker 27: would be put through the legal system. See it act legally.

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Speaker 27: But if the police didn't do anything and the courts

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Speaker 27: wouldn't do anything, and they just got to keep doing it,

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Speaker 27: you'd then say, well, we have to somehow find a

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Speaker 27: way of breaking into it. Now, Iran has been saying

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Speaker 27: we want death to America, we want death to Israel.

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Speaker 27: They funded the hooties and the his Bolla and all

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Speaker 27: sorts of other stuff.

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Speaker 7: How long do you keep that running?

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Speaker 27: And the United Nations sits toothless not doing anything about it.

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Speaker 3: Right, So your position would be Morris that you support

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Speaker 3: the strikes. Yes I do, Phil would you take that?

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Speaker 7: Yes? No?

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Speaker 28: No, no, no, I don't and they don't for a

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Speaker 28: couple of reasons. One, you have the rule of international law.

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Speaker 28: We're a small country. We rely on that. If you

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Speaker 28: give power to the powerful to do whatever they like,

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Speaker 28: including a Trump's case, he wants to take over control

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Speaker 28: of Greenland, then you don't have the rule of law.

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Speaker 28: So you can't be selective. You can't say we're against

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Speaker 28: Putin because he broached he breached international law in the Charter,

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Speaker 28: but we're in favor of America when they did it.

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Speaker 28: You've got to be consistent. Don't forget what happened in

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Speaker 28: two thousand and three when the United States invaded Iraq.

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Speaker 28: It was about regime change and Bush said it was

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Speaker 28: going to be a wonderful democracy. Well, one hundred thousand

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Speaker 28: people died, chaos ensued, and the country was, if you

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Speaker 28: can believe it, almost as bad off as it was

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Speaker 28: under Saddam Hussein. You can't have a program for regime

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Speaker 28: change if you don't have a plan of how to

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Speaker 28: do it, and you don't do it by bombing indiscriminately

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Speaker 28: from the air.

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Speaker 27: I need to answer that. I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 27: the rule of law and doing things legally. The trouble is,

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Speaker 27: as I said before, if there was some gang in

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Speaker 27: South Auckland that no one was touching, the police can

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Speaker 27: touch them, no one would have and they were wrecking havoc.

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Speaker 27: So Israel's out there sowing the seeds of Irans.

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Speaker 7: I'm getting to be a luxeomme.

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Speaker 27: Iran's out there doing some of the worst disgusting stuff

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Speaker 27: in the world. People are dying left right of center,

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Speaker 27: including in their own country. How long before you say, well,

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Speaker 27: the rule of law's not working here, it's not worth yeh,

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Speaker 27: hang on, you talk about behaving disgustingly. The killing of

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Speaker 27: seventy five thousand people in the Gaza, a third of

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Speaker 27: them kids, just kids, and most of them are civilians.

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Speaker 27: That was pretty disgusting too, And you know that was

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Speaker 27: And this is the guy that's now the guy that's

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Speaker 27: armed with nuclear weapons. Netta Yahoo attacking Iran because he

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Speaker 27: thinks they might want nuclear webs calling.

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Speaker 3: It's not a good guy here, Phil.

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Speaker 28: I mean, no, they're not.

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Speaker 7: They're awful.

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Speaker 28: They're consistently for thirty years.

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Speaker 3: I have got a question, Phil, I have got a

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Speaker 3: question for you on your position. But I just got

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Speaker 3: to take a quick break and I'm going to come

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Speaker 3: back to it. Stand By sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back with a Heartlet Phil Goff and Marris Williamson. Phil,

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Speaker 3: My question to here is it's totally fine to oppose

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Speaker 3: the air strikes if you do. But if you're luxe

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Speaker 3: and you come out and condone them, do you not

1156
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 3: run the risk of being the country that annoys the

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Speaker 3: most volatile American president in living history. And that's a

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Speaker 3: danger for New Zealand, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 28: Look, he's volatile, he's unpredictable, he's vindictive. But we're a

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Speaker 28: sovereign nation. We should have the courage of our convictions.

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Speaker 28: If we know that something is wrong, we should say

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00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 28: it's wrong. New Zealand is a small country, relies on

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Speaker 28: the rule of international law, if we don't have international law,

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Speaker 28: we have no protection against the powerful doing whatever they

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Speaker 28: want to do, whether that's Russia or whether it's the

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Speaker 28: United States that behaves quite differently under this Trump administration. Look,

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Speaker 28: I'm all in favor of changing the government in Iraq,

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Speaker 28: but the United States is bombing it without a plan

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Speaker 28: of how to do it. And Trump is telling the

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Speaker 28: decent people of Iran to rise up against the heavily

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Speaker 28: armed Iraqi Revolutionary Army. But they ought to know that

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Speaker 28: if they do so, he's not going to put boots

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Speaker 28: on the ground to save them when they wipe them out.

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Speaker 28: He didn't when they happened five weeks ago. This is

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Speaker 28: not about human rights. This is about simply the United

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Speaker 28: State dates wanting to exercise its power over an oil

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Speaker 28: rich country.

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Speaker 27: Here they let me ping back on the rule of

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Speaker 27: law stuff, because I repeat again, the United Nations is

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Speaker 27: so toothless because a security council has a veto that

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Speaker 27: nothing gets done. They couldn't stop a corner dairy an

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Speaker 27: o to who from selling cigarettes to kids. They're that

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Speaker 27: bloody useless. So how long do you rely on the

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Speaker 27: rule of law when no one's enforcing those laws? Well,

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Speaker 27: they're useless when when people like Trump exercise the veto

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Speaker 27: more than any other powers to stop. But it's the

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Speaker 27: one that does it the most. It is the one

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Speaker 27: that does it the most. We want the rule of

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Speaker 27: law internationally because the alternative is to have the powerful

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Speaker 27: being able to do whatever they like. And I think

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Speaker 27: personally that Trump models himself on people like Putin. He

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Speaker 27: wants to have that power. He doesn't want to have

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Speaker 27: any constraint, even to the point of threatening to take

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Speaker 27: over Greenland by military force a country that's part of

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Speaker 27: a an allied country, Denmark. We have reached a pretty

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Speaker 27: sad state in international affairs when the country that we

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Speaker 27: like to look up to behaves like this under the

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Speaker 27: Trump administration, un had any teeth at all, we wouldn't

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Speaker 27: have to worry about these things.

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Speaker 3: This is true.

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Speaker 28: Well, it would have more teeth if the United States

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Speaker 28: allowed it to exercise.

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Speaker 7: Bools have been breached.

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Speaker 27: History of go to Rwan, but go to all sorts

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Speaker 27: of go to Pole pot, go to all sorts of

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Speaker 27: historic stuff. And the United Nations sat there in Oh, dear, dear,

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Speaker 27: we better have another meeting of the city.

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Speaker 28: No, no, no. The countries that made up the United Nations

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Speaker 28: failed to act in a lot of cases. There are

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Speaker 28: also things that the United Nations have done really well.

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Speaker 28: We were part of one of them, in these team

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Speaker 28: or for example. But don't blame the United States for

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Speaker 28: the fact that its most powerful member countries doesn't let

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Speaker 28: it exercise the authority that it should have. Either you

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Speaker 28: believe that it's right to be able to attack a

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Speaker 28: country on a false premise that they're about to attack you,

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Speaker 28: or you believe that it's wrong said that he's not

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Speaker 28: telling the truth.

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Speaker 3: The position that you hold a seem to hold, which

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Speaker 3: is actually no, this shouldn't have happened. Iran should have

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Speaker 3: continued the way it was in the U engine had

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Speaker 3: done something that is a luxury that we have in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand because we are not living in the Middle

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Speaker 3: East and having to live through the crap that Iran

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Speaker 3: is doing over there. It is funding Hamas, which is

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Speaker 3: attacking Israel. It's funding Hbolla, it's funding the hooties. And

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Speaker 3: people in that region actually may be very happy to

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Speaker 3: see Iran bond.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, they'll they'll be less happy when the United States

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Speaker 28: doesn't do what Trump has implied that they will, that

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Speaker 28: it will do which has come to the assistance of

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Speaker 28: the people that might want to overthrow the regime. He

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Speaker 28: won't when he removed Maduro from Venezuela, that he removed

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Speaker 28: the regime that was oppressing the people. No, he kept

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Speaker 28: it in place. Let's have some let's have some consistency

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Speaker 28: instead of double standards in hypocrisy, which I think a

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Speaker 28: lot of New Zealanders have had a guts full in

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Speaker 28: terms of what's happening internationally.

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Speaker 27: But I go back to myken we'll just hear at

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Speaker 27: home there isn't a single person listening to your radio

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Speaker 27: station that wouldn't.

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Speaker 7: Resort to some other measure.

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Speaker 27: If the rule of law was enforced, if the police

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Speaker 27: weren't arresting bad buggers putting them in jail, the courts

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Speaker 27: doing their job. Finally, people say, we've had a guts

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Speaker 27: full of this. There is no law and order in

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Speaker 27: this country. We have to resort to other things. And

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Speaker 27: while the United Nations, who's supposed to be the law

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Speaker 27: and order in the world, does nothing because it can't.

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Speaker 27: Every time anything goes to the Security Council, one of

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Speaker 27: them vetoes it. Then in the end we've just got

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Speaker 27: a toothless tigers.

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Speaker 7: Let's go.

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Speaker 28: Let's let's have a look at the example of where

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Speaker 28: you're wrong, and it's the central issue of what we

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Speaker 28: do about whether Iran is able to enrich its uranium

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Speaker 28: to the point they could make a bomb. There was

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Speaker 28: agreement internationally that there're the international surveillance and monitoring of it,

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Speaker 28: so it couldn't happen. Trump trashed that in his first administration.

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Speaker 28: There are then talks going on right until two days ago,

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Speaker 28: chaired by Oman with the Foreign Minister of Omann, and

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Speaker 28: I've heard his speech here. He spoke very forcefully and

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Speaker 28: clearly said they were making real progress, they'd been monitoring,

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Speaker 28: there'd be verification, we could stop urine uranium being enriched

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Speaker 28: to that level. And what happened in the midst of

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Speaker 28: those talks they launched an attack, an attack which he said,

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Speaker 28: shouldn't it be necessary because apparently he had obliterated the

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Speaker 28: nuclear facilities anyway, Well, that was nonsense. Clearly, either he

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Speaker 28: was lying before or he's lying now.

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Speaker 3: Consistency is a fair point to point out the inconsistencies

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Speaker 3: in Trump's story. He's not a good guy in this,

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Speaker 3: either of it. Nors run But listen, guys, both of you.

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Speaker 3: Great to chat to the pair of you. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much. Morris Williamson, Phil goff A huddles seven away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 6: That'd be Hea.

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Speaker 3: The references to both Iraq and Iran in the same

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Speaker 3: sense and sounds like Buddy is confused. Yeah, I noticed that.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I think? I actually think that Iraq,

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Speaker 3: remember Helen Clark standing up to the US and refusing

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Speaker 3: to join the Iraq invasion. I think has become quite

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Speaker 3: a seminal moment in this country's history. Is not quite

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Speaker 3: not even to potentially being on par with the anti

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Speaker 3: the nuclear stuff anti nuclear stuff, but I think I

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Speaker 3: think it's quite defining for US, which is why our

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Speaker 3: default position is if the US is doing anything in

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Speaker 3: the Middle East or anything, frankly, we just don't want

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Speaker 3: to get involved, because we were quite proud of the

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Speaker 3: fact we didn't get involved that time. So the confusion

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Speaker 3: is probably a bit telling. I said, I would read

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Speaker 3: you this article out of the Sydney Morning Herald. So

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Speaker 3: if you think that Trump has been acting a bit

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Speaker 3: randomly with Venezuela, and now Iran and possibly even Greenland.

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Speaker 3: There's a very good piece in the Sydney Morning Herald

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Speaker 3: today explaining why this is not random, why it's actually

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Speaker 3: part of potentially a plan. Piece is by Clinton Fernandes,

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Speaker 3: who's an academic and a former intelligence officer. It's the

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Speaker 3: headline is Trump's attacks are not about Iran, He's after

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Speaker 3: a much bigger fish. He argues, This is actually about China.

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Speaker 3: He says, China, the world's largest refiner of oil, purchases

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Speaker 3: about fourteen percent of its seaborne crewed from Iran. The

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Speaker 3: true figure is probably higher, disguised as shipments from Uman,

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Speaker 3: the UAE and Malaysia to get around US sanctions. Taken

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Speaker 3: as a whole, China's enormous plastic sector relies on Iran

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Speaker 3: for almost a quarter of its liquefied petroleum gas. Control

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Speaker 3: over what Iran can explod and to whom the u

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Speaker 3: allows the US to retaliate if China restricts rare earth

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Speaker 3: mineral supplies to the United States. Same same similar logic

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Speaker 3: with Venezuela. Venezuela has the largest approven oil reserves in

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Speaker 3: the world. Trump wants direct but politically critical, indirect but

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Speaker 3: politically critical leverage over China through control over Iran and Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: The argument is basically, if China cuts off the rare

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Speaker 3: earth minerals to the US, the US then cuts off

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Speaker 3: the oil to China. But in order to do that

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Speaker 3: they need to control the oil. And this is what

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Speaker 3: it's about. John Duffy of Consumer New Zealand with US

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Speaker 3: next on what happens if you go traveling yam got

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Speaker 3: insurance because of the war NEWSTALKSZB.

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Speaker 1: Where business who meets inside the business hour with Hander Duplessy,

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Speaker 1: Alan and Mas insurance and investments.

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Speaker 4: Your futures in good hands. News talks be.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. Business has

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Speaker 3: got a pitch for you different way to invest in

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Speaker 3: property development with US after half past six Jamie mackay

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Speaker 3: on why the war might be good for US as

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Speaker 3: an exporting nation. Then in Debrady with all the trouble

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Speaker 3: that the UK is in at the moment with Trump

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Speaker 3: right now it's seven past six. Now our sympathies if

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Speaker 3: you're planning any travel through the Middle East at the moment.

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Speaker 3: The war in Iran has led to mass flight delays

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Speaker 3: and cancelations as Iran and neighboring countries have closed their airspace,

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Speaker 3: and since it's a war, it also means that lots

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Speaker 3: of travelers will not be able to rely on their

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Speaker 3: travel insurance to help them. John Duffy is Consuming New

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Speaker 3: Zealand's chief executive and with US now Hi.

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Speaker 8: John, hi heah, they helps it going well, thanks mate.

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Speaker 3: So what's the rule with the insurance read the war?

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Speaker 29: Well, many travel insurance policies do have exclusions that exclude

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Speaker 29: any claims that result from war, hostilities or any type

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Speaker 29: of military action. So if you have travel and you've

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Speaker 29: got travel insurance and you're you know, you're affected by

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Speaker 29: the closures of you know, Doha and Dubai airports, check

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Speaker 29: your policies. There are some sometimes there are ways through it.

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Speaker 29: So for example, some insurance policies do cover cancelations if

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Speaker 29: it's due to an airspace closure. But yeah, because it's

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Speaker 29: hostilities and military action, typically cover is excluded.

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Speaker 3: Am I right in thinking that it also can vary

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Speaker 3: depending on where you're flying to and where you're the pattern.

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Speaker 29: Absolutely, so if you're flying into the EU or the

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Speaker 29: US or from either of those jurisdictions, you may have

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Speaker 29: better rights than if you were flying from New Zealand,

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Speaker 29: for example. So in the EU or the US, in

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Speaker 29: most situations you'll be entitled to a refund without any

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Speaker 29: questions being asked. Those jurisdictions have much better protections under

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Speaker 29: their consumer protection legislation for air fares for flights than

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Speaker 29: we do here under the Civil Asia Aviation Act.

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Speaker 3: What about if you've bought a tack ass right, is

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Speaker 3: there some responsibility on the airline to reschedule you if

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Speaker 3: they are able to?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's that's right.

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Speaker 29: So if if your flight is disrupted, often airlines will

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Speaker 29: provide you with an option, so they might say, we

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Speaker 29: will give you a refund, we will give you a credit,

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Speaker 29: or if you're willing to hang on, we'll she you

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Speaker 29: schedule you on the next available flight. But really it's

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Speaker 29: it's up. It's down to the terms of your ticket.

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Speaker 29: So if you've bought a fully refundable flight, then you

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Speaker 29: have you possibly have both options, either either waiting and

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Speaker 29: letting the airline reschedule you or taking a refund. And

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Speaker 29: perhaps you know, going with another carrier flying and if

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Speaker 29: you're going to Europe and no flying through the States

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Speaker 29: or something like that, what.

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Speaker 3: Would you do John, if you had to take it

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Speaker 3: right now to fly somewhere. You know, just generally generally

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Speaker 3: anywhere away from New Zealand is least safe. Would you

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Speaker 3: just be staying put?

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Speaker 29: Well, funnily enough, my family's in a situation where we

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Speaker 29: had a German exchange student was meant to be arriving

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Speaker 29: from Munich in Wellington today. My son's been doing an

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Speaker 29: exchange and all of his flights have been canceled because

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Speaker 29: they were transitting through Dubai and you know, speaking to

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Speaker 29: his father, he's saying, we wish he'd been able to

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Speaker 29: leave a couple of days earlier, because there's no safer

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Speaker 29: place in the world probably than New Zealand at the moment.

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Speaker 29: It's just that you've got to transit through a combat

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Speaker 29: zone to get here. So yeah, where we're kind of

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Speaker 29: personally affected by this. They're trying to rebook through the States.

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Speaker 29: So hopefully he gets here next week and he can

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Speaker 29: hunker down for a couple of months away from it all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, probably exactly the right place to be, John, Thanks

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Speaker 3: for that, man, appreciate your advice. John Duffy, consuming New

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Speaker 3: Zealand's Chief executive Heather, it goes deeper than just oil

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Speaker 3: and China as well. It's also about trying to maintain

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Speaker 3: US dollar dominance, which is waning. I mean, look there,

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Speaker 3: let's be honest about it. There are a thousand theories

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Speaker 3: as to why why Trump is doing what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: The China theory, though, if you subscribe to the theory,

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Speaker 3: it does somewhat make what seems like random madness make

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Speaker 3: more sense in that you can sort of start to

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Speaker 3: piece together. Oh okay, yeah, we've gone after Venezuela for

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Speaker 3: the oil. We've gone after Iran for the oil control. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I can see why the negotiations are happening there, like

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Speaker 3: the real pression negotiations with country with rare countries with

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Speaker 3: rare earth minerals. It's also why he's interested in Greenland

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Speaker 3: because it's got the rare earth minerals. It's also a

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Speaker 3: strategic location really close to China. Can start everything starts

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Speaker 3: to look less coky. If you don't have the kind

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Speaker 3: of China puzzle together, he just looks like a madman.

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Speaker 3: If you put the China puzzle together, he looks less mad.

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Speaker 3: How much less mad you can decide, apparently, by the way,

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Speaker 3: just speaking of people trying to get out of that part,

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Speaker 3: of the world. Private jet prices have soared as the

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Speaker 3: wealthy tried to leave Dubai, so they have a bunch

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Speaker 3: of options. Obviously, du buy airspace as shots, so they

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Speaker 3: can drive four and a half hours to Oman. Once

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Speaker 3: they get there, though they can't fly out commercially because

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Speaker 3: the majority of commercial flights to Europe are fully booked

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Speaker 3: until later this week. So what they do is they

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Speaker 3: can jump on the private jets. Jet Vip, which is

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Speaker 3: one of the companies that operates out of there Reckons.

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Speaker 3: A flight to is Istanbul on a small jet would

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Speaker 3: cost eighty five thousand euro. Now with the euro I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think you're probably safe to just double it. So

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Speaker 3: let's say small jet one hundred and seventy thousand euro

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Speaker 3: dollars New Zealand dollars SORR one hundred and seventy k

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Speaker 3: to Stanbul, roughly three times the usual rate. You can

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Speaker 3: get a single seat if you want to. It's taking

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Speaker 3: you to Moscow though that's forty thousand New Zealand dollars

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Speaker 3: per person. Alber Jet is offering flights to Europe for

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Speaker 3: about one hundred and eighty thousand New Zealand dollars, or

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Speaker 3: you can drive to readd that's ten hours you could

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Speaker 3: get on vermana private jets flight to Europe now costing

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Speaker 3: up to three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And I

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Speaker 3: think that's us by the way.

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Speaker 1: Six thirteen, it's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio, empowered by Newstalks EBB. Approaching the

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Speaker 1: numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy Allen on

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Speaker 1: the Business Hour with MAS Insurance and Investments. Your futures

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Speaker 1: in good hands Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 3: For goodness sake, hither the USA is self sufficient and oil.

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Speaker 3: They have no interest in Iranian oil. People are so

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Speaker 3: ignorant in this country, Peter, Well, actually, Peter, I wasn't

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Speaker 3: talking about access to oil was I was talking about

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Speaker 3: control of oil And those are two very different things.

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Speaker 3: People are not as ignorant as you think they are

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. It's going to get a lot worse

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Speaker 3: by the looks of things. So that fifty nine million

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Speaker 3: dollar pre tax loss for the first half Morning Star

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01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 3: Reckons is going to turn into a one hundred and

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01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 3: twenty five million dollar pre tax loss by the end

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Speaker 3: of this financial year sixteen past six.

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Speaker 4: The Rural Report on Heather dupleic Allen Drive.

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Speaker 3: Jamie mcaie hosted The Countries with us Elo Jamie.

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Speaker 30: Oh good A, Heather Poor on Chrystalph Luxe and he's

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 30: out of the frying pan into the fire in New

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01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 30: Zealand to Prime Minister who's probably thinking a few weeks

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01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 30: ago it might be easier to go back to Air

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Speaker 30: New Zealand, but might have to rethink that one not

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Speaker 30: good numbers.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess at least what's happening at Air New

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Speaker 3: Zealand makes him look good as a boss of Air

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, so you can take some heart from that

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Speaker 3: if you were a mind, say, now, how do you

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Speaker 3: reckon that this war turn it turns things good for

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Speaker 3: US as an exporting nation.

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Speaker 30: Well it doesn't really, But I'm just posing a rhetorical

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Speaker 30: sort of question there, Heather, because we've got our excuse me,

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Speaker 30: our fifth GDT auction of the year tonight, remembering that

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Speaker 30: the two in January.

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Speaker 6: Two and February have been very positive.

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Speaker 30: So we've swung back from the disappointing end to twenty

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Speaker 30: twenty five. And Mike McIntire, my guy Jardin, I'm quoting him,

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Speaker 30: so I've got to give him some credit. He says,

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Speaker 30: they're looking for a reasonable gains again tonight, especially with

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Speaker 30: skim milk, powder and butter, and he thinks there's going

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01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 30: to be some real scrambling with the processes around the

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Speaker 30: world trying to work out how to deal with orders

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Speaker 30: that are going to be best delayed or possibly canceled

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Speaker 30: due to obviously shipping restraints around the world. So he

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Speaker 30: says a two to three percent lift would be a

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Speaker 30: great outcome. And when you think commodity prices normally follow

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Speaker 30: kind of economic sentiment, I think that would be a

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Speaker 30: great result. Swimming against the tide tonight, he's saying, a

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Speaker 30: real savior. At this time of the year, New Zealand

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Speaker 30: volumes are dropping away in line with normal seasonal activity,

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Speaker 30: even though there's plenty of grass around the country. You know,

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Speaker 30: we are starting to slow the cows of well passed

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Speaker 30: peak production. So this season's looking pretty good, and the

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Speaker 30: futures for this season are currently sitting at nine dollars

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Speaker 30: seventy one, next season nine dollars fifty four, and the

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Speaker 30: twenty eighth season are nine dollars. In one sense, those

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Speaker 30: are very very strong forward markets.

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Speaker 3: Ever, yeah, totally. Now, sharing's big events about to start.

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Speaker 3: Have you got a hot favorite here.

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Speaker 30: Well, we've got a hot favorite in the wall handling

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Speaker 30: and that's Joel Henare the tab he has got him

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Speaker 30: a hot favorite to win the big double, that's the

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Speaker 30: Golden Shares and the World Wool Handling Championships start. It

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Speaker 30: all gets underway in Masterton tomorrow, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

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Speaker 30: Your producer Kevin told me he always used to get

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Speaker 30: along on Thursday night from Miss Golden Shares. I don't

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Speaker 30: think they have that anymore. That may no longer be

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Speaker 30: politically palatable. Not that I'm judging Kevin at all. Are

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Speaker 30: the heather So that gets underway tomorrow. Joel Henery is

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Speaker 30: a hot favorite. Second favorite is former New Zealand Rep.

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Speaker 30: And Cook Island's Rep. Karen Herbert. She's represented New Zealand

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Speaker 30: and wall Handling and there are two members of the

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Speaker 30: New Zealand team. Remembering they're not only competing for the

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Speaker 30: Golden Shares at domestic competition, they're also competing for the

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Speaker 30: World champs. So Marika Braddock is third favorite for the

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01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 30: open wool Handling title at seven dollars fifty. The interesting

1515
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 30: one for me is when it comes to the World

1516
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,799
Speaker 30: Open Sharing Championships. So the twenty fourteen winner, Roland Smith,

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01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,879
Speaker 30: a blog who spends most of his time driving tractors

1518
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 30: these days, and he's had quite a few injury problems

1519
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 30: to get over. He's a surprising in my mind clear

1520
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 30: favorite for the world title at a dollar seventy five

1521
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 30: from his teammate Toer Henderson, who's the hot sharer in

1522
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 30: New Zealand at the moment three point fifty, and then

1523
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 30: the Scottish Kiwi he will be representing Scotland, Gavin Much

1524
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 30: as third at four dollars. The rest of the field's

1525
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 30: quite a way back. And I say surprising for Roland

1526
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 30: Smith because Tower Hendon is toa Henderson should I say

1527
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 30: is actually a favorite to retain his Golden Shares title

1528
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 30: at three dollars fifty Leon Samuel's former winner a couple

1529
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 30: of years ago at four bucks, and Gavin Much and

1530
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 30: Roland Smith at five dollars fifty each. And I guess

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01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 30: the logic there is Roland Smith hasn't done as much

1532
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 30: sharing as the others. To win the world title, he'll

1533
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 30: have to go through less competitors than he will if

1534
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 30: he wants to win his nation's Golden Shares Open title.

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Speaker 3: Jamie, thank you, Jamie McKay, Host of the Country. I'm

1536
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 3: gonna come to Kev's defense and that he was born

1537
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 3: and born and raised Masterton, and it's I mean, it

1538
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 3: was a big event to Martin, what what else is

1539
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 3: a poor boy to do? In master what's a poor

1540
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 3: boy to? Ants? Ants? That would have been a better

1541
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 3: choice for the split end song last night?

1542
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 7: What poor boy?

1543
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 3: What's a poor boy to do?

1544
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 6: Well?

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01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 17: Hang on already lined up Dirty Creature for today? Are

1546
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 17: we lining up tomorrow's already?

1547
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 19: Is?

1548
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 3: I mean we could just saying.

1549
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 17: We are doing split Ends week.

1550
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 3: We could do a run of songs from split Ends

1551
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 3: for the next like four weeks. That would have been

1552
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 3: better than the last two shite ones that you chose.

1553
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 3: Just say and it wasn't you though, it wasn't you?

1554
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 7: Was it?

1555
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 3: Don't look sad? It was keV sitting next to Sorry

1556
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 3: about that? That was an appropriate six to twenty one.

1557
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

1558
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with had the dupla and mass

1559
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, your futures in good hands used talks vy.

1560
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to you very short. I'm not

1561
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 3: going to talk to you. I'm going to talk to

1562
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: the guy who's got a pitch for you, which is

1563
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 3: that you can basically buy into this what they believe

1564
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 3: is the first place, the first time in the world

1565
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 3: that investors, normal investors can take a regulated fractional share

1566
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,839
Speaker 3: of the full residential development cycle in a development from

1567
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 3: the sale of the land that at the acquisition of

1568
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 3: the land, all the way through the sale of the property. Anyway,

1569
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 3: he'll talk us through that. After half past six. The

1570
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph has done a piece on South African rugby

1571
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 3: that I am just going to give to you as

1572
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 3: they've basically written it. Drug tests on South African rugby

1573
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: players have plunged more than sixfold in the past decade.

1574
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 3: What's happened in the past decade, according to the Daily Telegraph, Well,

1575
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: the spring Box have become the most dominant force in

1576
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 3: test rugby, winning back to back World Cups in twenty

1577
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 3: nineteen and twenty twenty three. South Africa is the nation

1578
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 3: with the highest number of convicted dopers in rugby, with

1579
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 3: eighty nine violations in that time, which is around twenty

1580
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 3: percent of the entire total worldwide, and those who've been

1581
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 3: caught up in drug scandals include the twenty nineteen World

1582
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 3: Cup winners in Corse and alton Yanches, who were banned

1583
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four for three and four years, respectively.

1584
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 3: I'm just going to leave that there for you. You can

1585
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 3: just think about that when we go to play rugby

1586
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 3: against them later on in this year six twenty five.

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01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,839
Speaker 4: There's no business like show business.

1588
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 3: Now, if you're upset that Harry Styles isn't going to

1589
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 3: bring his tour to New Zealand, you don't need to cry.

1590
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 3: He's just announced that you're going to be able to

1591
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 3: watch the whole concert as early as next week. The

1592
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 3: former One Direction star is going to record his Manchester

1593
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 3: concert on March sixth, which is the same day that

1594
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 3: his new album drops. Now the album, if you're a fan,

1595
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 3: you don't need me to tell you this is called

1596
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 3: Kiss All the Time Disco Occasionally, and it is going

1597
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 3: to be big. On March the eighth, You're going to

1598
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 3: be able to watch the concert for free with a

1599
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 3: Netflix subscription. So it's being recorded on the sixth and

1600
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 3: you're watching it on the eighth, which is a quick turnaround.

1601
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 3: Fans attending the show, though, are not going to be

1602
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 3: able to film or take pictures at all. They're going

1603
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 3: to be given magnetic pouches to put their phones in

1604
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 3: that and they can't unlock the pouch until the end

1605
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 3: of the show. The concert has sold out, but Styles

1606
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 3: has partnered with the app Earned to give his biggest

1607
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 3: supporters the chance to earn a seat at the show

1608
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 3: via charity work.

1609
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 31: So all you have to do is sign up and

1610
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 31: you may get the chance to volunteer for one of

1611
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 31: their four projects across Manchester. This is include painting onto

1612
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 31: resource scores of greeting youth centers and transforming spaces that

1613
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 31: Mancoonians use every single week. How this works as you

1614
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 31: sign up and choose which days you can attend and

1615
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 31: just hope that you are looking enough to be chosen

1616
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 31: to volunteer and earn your place to see Harry Styles.

1617
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 3: Now, if you're sick of Harry Styles already, just hold

1618
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 3: on because it's going to get worse. His album comes

1619
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 3: out Friday, the concert film drops on Netflix Monday, then

1620
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 3: he's hosting it as the musical guest for Saturday eight

1621
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 3: Night Live the weekend after that. Then his world tour

1622
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 3: kicks off, including thirty shows at Madison Garden to the

1623
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 3: Madison Square Garden, all before he finally comes down to

1624
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 3: Australia in November and December, and I'm going to that

1625
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 3: and I'm going to talk about it, so it's non

1626
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 3: stop all the way through to December. For fans like me,

1627
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 3: this attention is quite exciting because he's been pretty private

1628
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 3: since his last album four years ago and we're thirsting

1629
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 3: for a little bit of Harry. Here it is. By

1630
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 3: the way, Heather, I thought you may have had some

1631
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 3: comments on Phil Goff your hair. Let's talk about this

1632
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 3: after the news if we could just for a minute, okay,

1633
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 3: still with us. News is an excellent.

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01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: Time, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business

1635
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas, Insurance and investments,

1636
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 1: your futures in good heads used Talks'd.

1637
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 3: Be Integratis with us out of the UK in ten

1638
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 3: minutes and I am going to get to that question

1639
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 3: about Phil Goff on the text shortly. It's twenty five

1640
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 3: away from seven now, a new fintech firm believes that

1641
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 3: it has the potential to disrupt how key Wes buy

1642
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 3: and sell properties. The name is pro Properly and what

1643
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 3: it is is that you can buy shares in a

1644
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 3: property development and then when those properties are sold to

1645
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:09,839
Speaker 3: get a pay out on your holding. Now the founder

1646
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 3: is Dearhart van der merv and is with us now,

1647
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 3: high dear heart, good evening, hither Lord, have you chosen

1648
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 3: the right name? It's a mouthful.

1649
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 20: I think the name is probably the hardest thing for

1650
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 20: the investors about what it is that we're doing is

1651
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 20: how to pronounce it?

1652
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 3: Go gone, give it to me. Did I do it properly?

1653
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 4: Very propperly?

1654
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 7: Oh?

1655
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 3: No, the puns have started. Okay, we kind of developments.

1656
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 3: Are people putting their money into here.

1657
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,879
Speaker 20: Medium density residential developments. So for instance, the first project

1658
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 20: that we've got as we're doing four duplexes, that's eight homes,

1659
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 20: but all of the homes are very well apportioned and

1660
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 20: very well sized.

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01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: Okay. So the reason I asked is because we have

1662
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 3: just covered on the show in the last couple of

1663
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 3: weeks the fact that townhouses are not selling Auckland Christ

1664
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 3: Churge big problems. So why put money to townhouses?

1665
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 20: Yeah, that's a that's a great question, Heather, and I

1666
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 20: think For us, what it sort of comes down to

1667
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 20: is actually being able to be a data driven first

1668
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 20: approach and having a look what the market is doing

1669
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 20: and specifically the areas and what the type of product,

1670
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,759
Speaker 20: the type of home that would perform really really well

1671
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,600
Speaker 20: in that particular area.

1672
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 3: Why would someone put their money into this and not cheesies?

1673
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 20: Well, I mean, if you look at sort of from

1674
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 20: a cheesy's perspective, you're buying shares into a company. Now

1675
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 20: having a look at the just for some a quick

1676
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 20: data perspective, sort of, the Nasdaq is, you know, very good.

1677
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 20: It returns about nineteen point five percent on the long

1678
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 20: term average, although if you invested in the NASDAK maybe

1679
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 20: about a year ago, you'd probably need to be down

1680
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 20: about nineteen point five percent right now. So there's a

1681
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 20: lot of speculation with what the share prices are.

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01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 32: Going to do.

1683
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 20: What we're doing is we're actually taking a bit of land,

1684
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 20: a bit of dirt, and we're converting it into highest

1685
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 20: and best use, genuine value added cycle. And it's a

1686
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 20: defined period so that we're taking the land, we're adding

1687
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 20: value to it, and then exiting it, exiting that for

1688
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 20: a profit. If everything goes.

1689
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,440
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, so are you saying close to assured returns.

1690
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 20: Well, there's no, there's no guarantees and we can't make

1691
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 20: any But that's why we're operating under the Financial Market

1692
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 20: Conduct Act, and there's a full product disclosure statement that's

1693
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 20: attached to this financial product of equity securities.

1694
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 4: So what that.

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01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 32: Means is that we've disclosed everything, to the best of

1696
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 32: our abilities, all of the risks that goes into this,

1697
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 32: so that your average investor can come along for the

1698
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 32: journey understanding that these are the risks and can we

1699
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 32: responsibly share those risks and therefore responsibly share the outcomes?

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01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that? I mean, may is it

1701
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 3: possible that you might have missed the kind of hype

1702
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 3: in the in the property market, because I see there

1703
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 3: are an increasing number of people who are now saying

1704
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 3: publicly the end of the it's the end of the boom.

1705
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 3: We're never going to see the returns that we saw

1706
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 3: on property prices before.

1707
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 20: Well, that's a that's an interesting point, and I mean

1708
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 20: looking at it from a market dynamics perspective. You know,

1709
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 20: if I was to say, hey, I've got a crystal ball,

1710
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 20: my crystal ball would say that we're right at the

1711
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 20: bottom of the property market right now, and that things

1712
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 20: are just going to keep getting stronger from here. So

1713
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 20: we're not going into this speculating. We're not going into

1714
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 20: this to say, hey, we're banking on property prices appreciating

1715
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 20: we're delivering a genuine value creation cycle here, So we're

1716
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 20: not looking to exit the properties to say, hey, there's

1717
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 20: going to be an additional three percent, five percent, eight

1718
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 20: percent uplift in the property market. That's why we've got

1719
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 20: an independent valuation that values the properties on it as

1720
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 20: proposed basis as at today's date.

1721
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 3: Now on the idea, and I've always been fascinated by

1722
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 3: the idea that you would take a share in a

1723
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 3: property and then you know that would be your investment.

1724
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 3: Why I'm fascinated by it is because I think I

1725
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 3: think our love of property dhart is because we can

1726
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Speaker 3: live in it, right, So it's not only something you

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Speaker 3: invest in, but it's actually functional for you. But if

1728
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 3: you're just buying a share in a property, you can't

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Speaker 3: live in it. So do we still have a love

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Speaker 3: of it?

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Speaker 20: I one hundred percent understand what you're saying there, and

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Speaker 20: I agree with you, and I think that this mechanism.

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Speaker 20: Isn't it about owning the property. It's about participating in

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01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 20: the value creation cycle of property so that you can

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Speaker 20: participate in that value that's being created, whether you're a

1736
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Speaker 20: part of it or not, and that you can share

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01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 20: in that value so that you can redirect that value

1738
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Speaker 20: to be able to get into the home that you want.

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Speaker 20: I mean, when you actually just quickly look at the

1740
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 20: numbers herether it's actually quite staggering the average amount of

1741
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 20: time that it's taking in New Zealander to save in

1742
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 20: order to get a mortgage.

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Speaker 9: It's pretty much to the point that.

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Speaker 20: Future generations, unless they've got a bank of mom and dad,

1745
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 20: they're probably locked out a property permanently.

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Speaker 4: So that's what we're all about.

1747
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 20: We're all about saying, hey, this value is being created.

1748
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 20: The property developers like they participating in that value creation cycle.

1749
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 20: They make a tremendous amount of money, So can we

1750
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 20: get them. Can we get the public, the retail investor

1751
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 20: to share in that value creation cycle?

1752
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 3: Okay? Interesting, look forward to seeing how it goes for you.

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01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 3: Deehart vonder merv pro poperly founder twenty away from seven.

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Speaker 4: Heather Do for cl work on that Okay.

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01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 17: The thing I think it's propoperly is that yeah, properly.

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Speaker 17: I could just hear him saying proproperly as he hung

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Speaker 17: up there.

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Speaker 3: Oh lord. Anyway, Sorry, it's not my fault that they

1759
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 3: wrote so honest. You should have a look at it.

1760
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 3: I've never seen so many p's and so many o's

1761
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 3: in one word. It is really quite confounding. Here the

1762
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,759
Speaker 3: thought you might have had some comments on Phil goff

1763
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 3: re sr PUKAKR where Farmer got a lot of time

1764
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 3: from people from Poker cal it's my brother's from now

1765
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 3: I did. I had a lot of texts on Phil Golf.

1766
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 3: Problem is the texts on Phil were overwhelmingly personal and

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01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 3: just having a crack at film. Phil is a guest

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01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 3: on this show. We've invited him on. Basically everybody apart

1769
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 3: from me we haven't invited on. We're is lumped with me.

1770
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 3: Everybody else is. Everybody else is a guest on the show.

1771
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 3: So I can't very like, I just can't bring myself

1772
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,919
Speaker 3: to read out a screen like just screeds of texts

1773
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 3: having a crack at someone. I don't mind you're having

1774
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 3: a crack at someone's ideas. I have a crack at

1775
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 3: people's ideas all the time. And look, there's going to

1776
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 3: be one hundred percent I'm being a hypocrite, right because

1777
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 3: I have cracks of people. I'm sure that you can

1778
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 3: find an example of me being a hypocrite here. So

1779
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say that right out there right the glasshouses. Yes,

1780
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 3: But what I would like us to do with Phil

1781
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 3: in the future, if possible, because I realized Phil gets

1782
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 3: under our skin because like as too many people who

1783
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 3: have strong opinions, I get under peoples skin as well

1784
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 3: because I've got a strong opinion. Right, what I like

1785
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 3: us to do is have a crack at his ideas,

1786
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 3: have a crack atter's ideas, Maybe have a cracketters in consistencies,

1787
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:41,919
Speaker 3: have a cracket as values of a crackedt as principles,

1788
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 3: whatever it is, but not so much just at him.

1789
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 3: Like texts that say Phil is frothing. Oh, I can't

1790
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 3: read that house. It's not really adding anything, is it.

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01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 3: So for that and I made an efthor I did.

1792
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 3: I went through the texts I did. I scrolled through,

1793
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 3: scrolled through as I thought, there's nothing here I can read,

1794
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 3: So I just I couldn't read any of them. So anyway,

1795
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 3: we'll try to get let's try again. We'll try again

1796
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 3: next time. We'll do better when he's on the show,

1797
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 3: and he undoubtedly will be. But it's quite interesting to

1798
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 3: hear his ideas that can I just point out to

1799
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 3: you just while we're now we've got myself started on this,

1800
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 3: haven't we? We have got me started on this. I

1801
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 3: do think when you think about the Iran situation, can

1802
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 3: you just for one second do me a favor before

1803
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 3: you form an opinion and just ask yourself? Am I

1804
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 3: holding this opinion because I live in New Zealand and

1805
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 3: do not have to deal with the crap that Iran does?

1806
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 7: Right?

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01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 3: Because the worst thing that we like, we literally like,

1808
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 3: what has Iran done to you? That's right? Nothing? Okay?

1809
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 3: Go and ask go and ask the people of Israel

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Speaker 3: how they feel about Iran. Ask the people of the

1811
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 3: Middle East right now, how they feel about a run?

1812
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 3: Anybody who gets affected by a run. Even ask the

1813
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Speaker 3: guys who had the synagogue in Melbourne that was firebond

1814
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 3: because Iran was behind. They asked them how they feel

1815
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 3: about I run?

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01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 30: Right?

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01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 3: I feel like we would have a different opinion on

1818
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 3: these strikes. Potentially if we lived in a part of

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01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 3: the world that was affected by it. But because we

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01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 3: live in New Zealand and it's relatively safe and we

1821
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about it, we got that's fine.

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Speaker 3: Iran's not really going to buil newclear weapon. Well take

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Speaker 3: the nuclear weapon argument out of it, because I don't

1824
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 3: even think that's interesting. Just have a look at what

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01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 3: they're funding their proxies to do and surely that is

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Speaker 3: enough to snuff out the leaders at the top of

1827
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 3: that anyway. Just have a think about whether you whether

1828
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 3: your location in the world is informing your opinion really quickly.

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Speaker 3: Want to do a shout out to Andrew Little, the

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01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 3: Mayor of Wellington, because at least he's bringing some ideas

1831
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 3: to the table. Got quite a bold idea. He's just

1832
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 3: released his three year plan and he's suggesting that what

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01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 3: he wants to do is force the government the Crown

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01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 3: to pay rates to Wellington City Council because at the

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01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 3: moment the law exempts Crown buildings right schools around the country, hospitals,

1836
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 3: Parliament in Wellington don't have to pay rates. There are

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01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 3: four hundred and thirty eight buildings properties in Wellington that

1838
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 3: are exempted from rates. Now, obviously not all of the

1839
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 3: government departments are getting away scott free because a lot

1840
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 3: of them are in buildings that they lease, so the landlord,

1841
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 3: the private landlord will be paying rates. Therefore they're paying rates.

1842
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 3: So it's not going to affect everybody. And I don't

1843
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 3: even know how much it's going to actually necessarily bring

1844
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 3: in for Wellington City Council. But the idea has got

1845
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 3: to be a good idea because at the moment, the

1846
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 3: poor old residential and commercial guys in Wellington are suffering

1847
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 3: with the rates they pay. So every a little bit

1848
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 3: the Crown pumps and will surely help them out, just

1849
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 3: a wee bit to level it out. Inde Brady's next

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Speaker 3: sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

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01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mares, Insurance

1853
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1854
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Speaker 3: I'd be quite happy to be able to tell you

1855
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 3: that the share markets stayed pretty calm again for another day,

1856
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,719
Speaker 3: despite the war in Iran. It was down zero point

1857
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 3: two seven percent, I mean zero point two seven percent, right.

1858
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 3: Other share markets haven't done quite as well, so not

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01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 3: bad for US thirteen away from seven indebrady Are UK

1860
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Speaker 3: correspondence with US Hello.

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Speaker 16: Enda, Hello Heather, It graz to be buck is.

1862
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 3: The special relationship over then.

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01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 16: It certainly looks that way. Look, we've known that there

1864
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 16: were cracks appearing form many many years, not just because

1865
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 16: of this president, but it's not been good for a

1866
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 16: long time. And i'll the weekend everything that has happened

1867
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 16: and what we heard in Parliament yesterday evening from Ker Starmer,

1868
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 16: it looks like a chasm has now opened. So Starmer

1869
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 16: made it clear his words, he said we do not

1870
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Speaker 16: believe in regime change from the skies. That was what

1871
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 16: he said in terms of what Trump is doing in

1872
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 16: the Middle East and Iran. And then there have been

1873
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 16: some criticism of the UK Prime Minister by Trump because

1874
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 16: Trump said he wasn't impressed that Starmer didn't let him

1875
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 16: use British air bases to launch these attacks over the weekend.

1876
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Speaker 16: And then what changed was Iran's response, threatening places like

1877
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Speaker 16: Dubai where there are a lot of British expats living

1878
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Speaker 16: and holidaymakers. And then Starmer basically said, you know what,

1879
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 16: you can use our air bases, so it's not good

1880
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,879
Speaker 16: and you could Honestly, you couldn't put two more different

1881
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 16: men in one room than Donald Trump and Keir Starmer.

1882
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Speaker 3: What do you think is going to happen with Chaigos?

1883
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 16: I think ultimately the UK will fold, that's my reading

1884
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 16: of US. I think the Americans will apply such pressure

1885
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,759
Speaker 16: and it's you know, he constantly chips away the Trump

1886
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 16: it's a bad deal and criticizing Starmer, and Starmer's in

1887
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 16: a very very difficult position, you know, lots of people

1888
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 16: leaning on him, and he is prone to changing his mind.

1889
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Speaker 16: And look at this decision at the weekend with the

1890
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,719
Speaker 16: air bases they reckon. That was the sixteenth U turn

1891
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Speaker 16: since he became Prime minister.

1892
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is getting quite out of hand for him,

1893
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1894
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 6: Now?

1895
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 3: What are you going to do with all the people

1896
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 3: in the least an evacuation?

1897
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 16: Well, yes, that's what they want to do, and they're

1898
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 16: saying that there is a plan, but we've yet to

1899
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,719
Speaker 16: see it, and I guess it depends on airspace opening

1900
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 16: up quickly and safely, and that does not look likely

1901
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 16: anytime at the moment. No commercial airline is going to

1902
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 16: let people fly with what's flying around in the air.

1903
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 16: So the plan is for now, for everyone who is

1904
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 16: British and wants to get out to register.

1905
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 7: Via the Foreign Office.

1906
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 16: So people reckon that there are three hundred thousand British

1907
01:33:55,439 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 16: citizens in the Gulf region, mostly in the UAE. About

1908
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 16: one hundred thousand have signed up already. Just it's it's

1909
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 16: to let people know where you are. But there's been

1910
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,719
Speaker 16: no follow up. There was some talk of a land

1911
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 16: route via Saudi Arabia, but look, this could be over

1912
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 16: in a matter of days, so let's just see hopefully.

1913
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 3: And what happened with Cruse Beckham's bend.

1914
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 16: So this is a funny one. Cruz Beckham, the son

1915
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 16: of the Beckhams, is now lead frontman, singer and guitarist

1916
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 16: in a band called wait for it, Cruz Beckham and

1917
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 16: the Breakers, and they're on a UK tour. Now everyone

1918
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 16: knows the capital of Wales is Cardiff. You know they're

1919
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 16: play an awful lot of rugby. There you hear them

1920
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 16: singing their national anthem. Anything that happens in Wales, Cardiff

1921
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 16: is where it happens. Well, Cruse Beckham and his band

1922
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 16: played Cardiff this week their only appearance in Wales. It

1923
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 16: was Saint David's Day National Saint Day of Wales. The

1924
01:34:54,840 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 16: souvenir tickets had Cardiff England printed on them, do not

1925
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 16: Probably not his fault. I'm guessing he's not big on

1926
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,759
Speaker 16: the marketing or ticket selling, but the papers and social

1927
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 16: media have had a field day. Yeah, Cruz Beckham and

1928
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 16: the Breakers. Maybe they'll go on to be the next Beatles.

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Speaker 16: I don't know he did actually say on stage. In

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Speaker 16: the Word for Words, he did say on stage, I

1931
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 16: want to be John Lennon. I think John Lennon knew

1932
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Speaker 16: where Cardiff was.

1933
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to be John Lennon. Lord doesn't start well,

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Speaker 3: does it? And thank you mate, look after yourself Into

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Speaker 3: Brady UK correspondent. I want to be John Lennon.

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Speaker 6: John.

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Speaker 3: The problem with that is when you're a Nipo baby,

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Speaker 3: you're probably not going to be John Lennon. I hate

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Speaker 3: to say it. On Iran. The trouble for Iran's neighbors

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Speaker 3: right now, the countries around Iran, is whether they've got

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Speaker 3: enough what I call interceptors to hold out against the

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Speaker 3: drones and the missiles. So right now they're getting their

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Speaker 3: interceptors from the US. The question is whether they're going

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Speaker 3: to start running out of the interceptors before the Iranian

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Speaker 3: regime runs out of the projectiles at current boon rates.

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Speaker 3: The military analysts the states they kind of know what

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Speaker 3: the stockpiles are and stuff they reckon. At current burn rates,

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Speaker 3: it could happen very soon. They cannot maintain this rate

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Speaker 3: for more than another week. They reckon maybe even just

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Speaker 3: two days, and they run out. This is what the

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Speaker 3: stars as It puts pressure on the US and Israel

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Speaker 3: to hunt down and destroy Iran's missile launchers and missile

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Speaker 3: and drone stocks and basically take it out before the

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Speaker 3: interceptors run out. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Here we go, Phil, texts are coming in now. Heither

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Speaker 3: you are right. Phil mentioned the East tam Or conflict

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Speaker 3: as a successful UN rule of law resolution. It started

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Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy five, ended in two thousand and two

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Speaker 3: and there were two hundred thousand deaths. Thank you. That's

1962
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Speaker 3: actually a very good point that you make, Heather. Phil

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Speaker 3: is a member of the Longe government endorsed at style policies.

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Speaker 3: Now his jumpship again he runs with the hairs and

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Speaker 3: hunts with the hounds. He's not the principal person. He

1966
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Speaker 3: portrays himself as thank you, Brendon Hither. I'm very sorry.

1967
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Speaker 3: I've been drinking all afternoon. So when I hear Philly Gough,

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Speaker 3: Philly Philly Gough mixed with the drone of alcohol, nothing

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Speaker 3: good comes.

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Speaker 9: Out of it.

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Speaker 3: You're forgiven, Tom, absolutely forgiven. And we all make mistakes.

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Speaker 3: I make them every single day, probably every single half hour,

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Speaker 3: probably more frequently according to ants. Right, what have you got?

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Speaker 17: Sorry, I I call you out on probably once. I'm

1975
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Speaker 17: never going to hear the end of the semi dirty

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Speaker 17: Creature by Split ends to play us out tonight. Yeah,

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Speaker 17: so hopefully a better response than a split in song

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Speaker 17: this one, this is the one you were talking about

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Speaker 17: your stay, about the tiny fire and stuff. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 17: about like a tiny fu kind of coming out of

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Speaker 17: the water to come and you know, it seems to

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Speaker 17: be a metaphor. I was reading about it. Apparently Tim

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Speaker 17: Fin was having some panic attacks and mad depression problems

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Speaker 17: at the time.

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Speaker 10: I thought it was that.

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Speaker 17: I thought it's like a metaphor for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, metaphor for like the black Dog basically. But

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Speaker 3: now listen to this ants like objectively and tell me

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Speaker 3: it's not better. Then that's stupid. Sing at Milfin Road.

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Speaker 17: I mean it sounds like rocket.

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Speaker 7: Tell you.

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Speaker 3: Listen to pass. Listen excellent keyboards in the background. Listen

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Speaker 3: to that little drumby it's a really lazy, little grumpy

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Speaker 3: crazy the night will Mark in the background.

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Speaker 6: I sew it from Tim.

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Speaker 17: I'm sure you're in the bust and Blubb will have

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Speaker 17: a great time in dancing.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to lunatic when the depression song comes on.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna have a fantastic time to this bit.

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Speaker 3: How good. Thank you and thanks for indulging me. All right,

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Speaker 3: see you tomorrow.

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