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Speaker 1: Liam Lawson has been promoted into Red Bull's senior team

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Speaker 1: in Formula One. He'll race alongside Max for Staff in

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Speaker 1: next season. After Red Bull parted ways with Sergio Perez,

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Speaker 1: the shareholders agreed to promote Lawson in his place ahead

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Speaker 1: of teammate Euko Sonoda. Before he was picked up by

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Speaker 1: Red Bull, Liam raced in the Toyota Racing Series in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand and Barry Tomlinson founded the Toyota Racing Series.

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Speaker 1: He's now with NZ one Race Management and he's with

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Speaker 1: us this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Get a Barry. Hi, Ryan, Merry Christmas to you.

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. Great to have you on the show. And

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Speaker 1: what great news going into the silly season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic news. Obviously it's been a long time coming Ryan,

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Speaker 3: you're probably the worst kept secret really, but yeah, look

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Speaker 3: to eventually come through. It's great news for New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and for motorsport here and all his fans and his

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Speaker 3: supporters here in New Zealand that have put a huge

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Speaker 3: effort in behind Liam, including his family who have sacrificed

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Speaker 3: so much to get him to this stage. And you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's a huge cutos to them all all.

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Speaker 1: Why why do you think Red Bull picked him over

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Speaker 1: Sonoda because Snoda does have more experience, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So Yuki's been in Formula one now for four seasons,

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Speaker 3: so I think, you know, in the end, really that

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Speaker 3: counts against Yuki because Liam came in.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's done I think what seven grand Prix's

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Speaker 2: maybe a little more than that.

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Speaker 3: And this year he's done a great job in this

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Speaker 3: very short time that he's been there. He's matched Yuki,

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Speaker 3: you know on his results. Yeah, Yuki's been you know,

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Speaker 3: slightly ahead and qualifying. But you know, for Liam to

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Speaker 3: come in and to do what he's done, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that that's what has got Liam across the line.

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Speaker 2: And plus a all the work that he's.

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Speaker 3: Done in the background with Red Bull sitting in the

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Speaker 3: simulator and all the testing that he's done. You know,

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Speaker 3: they've evaluated both drivers, and believe me, they will have

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Speaker 3: picked Liam purely on his future talent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the potential buzz, isn't it, Because he's he's

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Speaker 1: basically as good as the guy who's been performing much

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Speaker 1: longer than him. And if he's that good, now you

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Speaker 1: know how good might he be in one two years time?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Ryan and I think, you know, this is the thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Liam's twenty two and sure next year, you know,

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Speaker 3: in twenty five, it'll be a tough season for him.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the circuits he's never been to, so

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Speaker 3: that's going to be you know, it's going to be

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Speaker 3: a big learning curve for him. But you know, they're

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Speaker 3: looking at at a future champion and somebody to support

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Speaker 3: Max in the shorter term and to score points and

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Speaker 3: you know, and then for the future. You know, eventually

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Speaker 3: Max will leave, he'll go some to another team.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, and Red.

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Speaker 3: Bull really need to have a driver to step up

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Speaker 3: and to take the position of number one in that team.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure if Limb can perform at the high

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Speaker 3: level that we think he can, then he will be

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Speaker 3: the man in the box seat for that role.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he can go all the way? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I think liamb is a world championship material.

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Speaker 3: Red Bull, I believe will think exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the test will be, you know, twenty five,

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Speaker 3: but really I think, you know, into twenty six and

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Speaker 3: twenty seven is where you know Liam will really come alive.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I do believe that he is the goods.

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Speaker 3: He's you know, very good mentality, he's a fun guy.

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Speaker 3: He's a highly talented guy, not only in the car,

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Speaker 3: but you know, he's quite clever with all sorts of

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Speaker 3: things outside the car. Good I think with the media,

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Speaker 3: and all of these things count in his favor.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not polite to us, but what would

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Speaker 1: you get paid for a gig like.

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Speaker 3: This, Ran, Look, I do have some experience, having been

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Speaker 3: deeply involved with Brendan Hartley, who obviously raced for Red

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Speaker 3: Bull racer Will Forturoso for Red Bull in Formula one

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Speaker 3: back in seventeen and eighteen. I do have a little

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Speaker 3: bit of knowledge on that, but I'm sorry I can't

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Speaker 3: pass it on. But look, he will be on a

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Speaker 3: lower salary this in twenty five, but you know they

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Speaker 3: get rewarded on the points that they score, and so

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Speaker 3: you know, the more points he can score next year,

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Speaker 3: the more money he will earn. And then from there, obviously,

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Speaker 3: well sky's the limit. If his talent, you know, matches,

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Speaker 3: then you know he'll be He'll be on very very

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Speaker 3: big money.

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Speaker 1: Would it like in your first year? Would you be

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Speaker 1: on millions? Is that out of the realms of possibility?

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Speaker 3: Look, look, I believe that he could well be earning

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Speaker 3: well over a million dollars, you know, if things go

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Speaker 3: well for him. Yeah, but again it's it's really points

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Speaker 3: points points, and look, being in a red Bull, you know,

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Speaker 3: history shows that they always run at the front somewhere

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Speaker 3: and so therefore points haul you know, that will really

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, top his bank account up, and

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Speaker 3: to be honest, it would be great to see that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think his parents have sacrificed a huge

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Speaker 3: amount to get Liam to where he is, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll want to reward his parents. It's like

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Speaker 3: actually Scott Dixon and Brendan Hartley and all the other

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Speaker 3: Kiwi boys that have gone on and they made great

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Speaker 3: careers around the world and motorsport. You know, they always

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Speaker 3: you know, look to look after the family and the

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Speaker 3: supporters that have supported them to get there.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's and that you're right, they have made

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Speaker 1: huge sacrifice, you know, remortgaging all sorts of stuff, so

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Speaker 1: they absolutely deserve the whole family. Barry, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for being with me this afternoon. Barry Thomlinson, who

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Speaker 1: founded the Toyota Racing Series where Liam wants race is

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