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Speaker 1: Right now we have christ Bishop the Associate Finance Minister,

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Speaker 1: and for Nikola Willis the Finance Minister.

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Speaker 2: Hey bish, good eight, how are I? Yum?

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Did you read about the judge giving

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Speaker 1: the gang patch back to the old member last week?

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Speaker 2: I've seen the story. Yeah, what do we do about this? Well,

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Speaker 2: ultimately we don't interfere in the courts. The gang patch

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Speaker 2: ban is working really well. I think most New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: number of gang members wearing patches around the traps, which

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Speaker 2: is a good thing. Means less intimidation for people, and

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Speaker 2: you know it's having an effect, so it's working really well. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The problem here, apparently is that the law. You guys

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Speaker 1: were told to write the law so that if the

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Speaker 1: gang patch was confiscated, it would be destroyed, so it

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Speaker 1: cannot be handed back. Would you would you consider amending

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Speaker 1: the law to do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Paul Goldsmith and Mark Mature are having a

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Speaker 2: reader of the judgment and I'm sure they'll be taking

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Speaker 2: advice on it. I'm not across it, but I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Okay, I hope. So is it true that government departments

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Speaker 1: are going to merge in a big way.

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Speaker 2: The Public Service Commission, Sir Brian Roche and his team

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Speaker 2: there are having a look at a range of changes.

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Speaker 2: Some of it's become public around housing and ministry for

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Speaker 2: most people agree that we you know, we can streamline

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Speaker 2: we've got a huge number of ministers and a huge

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Speaker 2: look at that. This is all about making sure public

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Speaker 1: Would you support going like a drastic reduction like forty

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Speaker 2: Well, let's wait and see where things get to. I

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Speaker 1: That's huge that Bush. Would you be like, oh, no way,

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm in favor of smaller government. I want to

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Speaker 2: more effective at what it does. So anything that meets

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Speaker 2: all of those things. But you've also got to weigh

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Speaker 2: it up against the cost of change. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of public service working for the

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Speaker 2: Every time you e merge them together or reduce them

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Speaker 2: you've got rebranding, you've got logos, you know, all that

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Speaker 2: doing all those things, you know, because that's that's all

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Speaker 1: Well, how long is it going to take before we

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Speaker 2: I would I would say in the next few months.

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Speaker 1: West Winston so weird about talking about foreign buyers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, over ninety nine percent of homes are not affected.

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Speaker 2: So what we're saying is if you turn up here

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about this for the last two hours.

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Speaker 1: We're across the detail. But you know, I mean, you're right,

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Speaker 1: I need to talk to Winston about where he's so

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Speaker 1: That would just be weird for you. Okay, what are

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Speaker 2: We're going to fix it. So there's a bit of

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Speaker 1: And then when do they get their hearing again? Because

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Speaker 2: We're just working our way through that right now. It's

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Speaker 2: we can't fix it this week. We can't fix it

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Speaker 1: Yes or no. Are you going to nationalize the thermal

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Speaker 1: Of So I'm glad you're not going to nationalize, because

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Speaker 2: We're working our way through that process. I'm not the

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Speaker 2: that process, and once Cabinet's come to a decision, you know,

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Speaker 1: Hey, do you think it's that Kesey and Clark at

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Speaker 2: Well, that's ultimately over to them. I mean, obviously Helen

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Speaker 1: You don't because you're not none of you.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not. I'm not saying that at all.

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Speaker 1: They got invited because they had good relations and none

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Speaker 1: of you got invited, that scuss because you haven't got

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't read it into it like that ultimately,

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Speaker 2: but come on.

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Speaker 1: An you were just like a little bit bun that

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Speaker 1: you're not at the party that Kim johng on? Is

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Speaker 1: that because it might be your only chance to meet him.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'll ever get to meet Kim Jong.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be good?

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Speaker 2: Though? What about?

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Speaker 1: I'd love it?

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Speaker 1: Listen, did you see what Auckland Transport's doing with the

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Speaker 1: Tell you what I'm bummed out though by is the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well they're in the process of doing that,

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Speaker 2: and i'd encourage them to get on with it sooner. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I've just actually I've just seen my notes. Two point

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Speaker 1: Mate, got it down double that. That's outrageous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they're on a journey. They're on a journey,

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Speaker 2: and i'd encourage them to speed it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah too, Right, are you going to go see the

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Speaker 1: Don McGlashan movie, because I know you guys are great mates,

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Speaker 2: Best song? I am a fan of Niri from the

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Speaker 2: first album Good Choice. I'm also a fan of Jecky's song,

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Speaker 2: which is a deep cut from the Last Muffin. It's

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Speaker 2: about well exactly. It's a beautiful I'll hit you with her.

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Speaker 1: Don't fight me, marsh don't fight it, Marsha. It's bigger

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Speaker 1: than the both of us.

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Speaker 2: Blam bam blam. Yeah, that's a classic, I mean, and

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Speaker 2: Andy is a classic. Obviously Andy sucks. You don't like

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Speaker 1: The one that goes she's been talking to my friends.

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Speaker 1: You know what I reckon. You and I have to

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Speaker 1: go see it together and invite Don.

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Speaker 2: Look, I am going to go see I'm also going

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Speaker 2: to go see the Shane Carter movie, which is which

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Speaker 2: was just one of big straight jackets, hilarious thing. Don.

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Speaker 2: Don's not a fan of me, but I love his music.

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Speaker 2: Probably it's not always.

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Speaker 1: He probably hates me too, don't worry about it. And

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Speaker 1: I love the ground. The man walks on and wants

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Speaker 1: to know if you're going to Snoop Dog. On September

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Speaker 1: the twentieth seeing as you are.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not a rapper. I'm not a rapping hip

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Speaker 2: hop fan. Sorry. Sorry for all the people out there

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Speaker 2: who like me and like hip hop, I'm not and

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not. Just can't do it. What do

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Speaker 2: you reckon?

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Speaker 1: The little? The little crossover is with people who love

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Speaker 1: Chris Bishop and love Snoop Dog.

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Speaker 2: The ven diagram. I don't reckon the venn diagram. I

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Speaker 2: don't reckon the circles match. It's not it's not high.

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Speaker 2: But no, I'm not going. But I love guitars. I

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Speaker 2: just I just I just there's nothing like electric guitars.

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Speaker 2: I'm an old fashion guy. They're out of fashion these days,

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Speaker 2: but I love guitars.

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Speaker 1: Now they're coming back. They're coming back.

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Speaker 2: Drum based and guitars, bring them back. Baby that you're

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Speaker 2: not calling me babby.

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Speaker 1: Just for the record, thank you so much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Chris Bishop, Associate Finance Minister.

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Speaker 2: He's funny.

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Speaker 1: That's what do McGlashan says about him.

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Speaker 2: He goes, oh that Chris Bishop past

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