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Speaker 1: I'm the huddle with us this evening. We have Mark

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Speaker 1: Sainsbury broadcaster and Thomas Scrimser of the Maximus that you'd

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Speaker 1: hire you two?

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Speaker 2: Here are you here?

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Speaker 1: Says are you were? You were a cricket fan.

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Speaker 3: Look, no, I got hit in a very sense inive

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so now every time you watch it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but as but as it went on, I mean

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Speaker 3: they started, let's start what this is all about. It's

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Speaker 3: trying to make sport more attractive of an event and get

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Speaker 2: You know, like I did.

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Speaker 3: I sat down I would ever normally watch the ashes.

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Speaker 3: I started watching it because it was it was all

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Speaker 3: over in two days. So I can see there must

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Speaker 3: be so tinking them to look at something like this.

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Speaker 3: But I think Richard Peatree's biggest complaint, I think seems

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Speaker 3: to be that it's the outside of control of New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Cricket, that a private entity. You control it?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Thomas do you have do you have any

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Speaker 1: concerns about this and about the chasing of the dollar here?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think be concerns if people aren't doing their

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Speaker 4: about is this good for New Zealand cricket as an

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Speaker 4: That's why they would go and play for a new

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Speaker 4: league as opposed to existing ones. So I think New

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Speaker 4: Zealand Cricket has a vested interest in blocking this. It's

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Speaker 4: just not clear to me that that's because of their

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what I think is fascinating saying so,

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Speaker 1: the other day. Cricket is going through this where there

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Speaker 1: is massive disruption in the CEO is in trouble. Netball

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, in the water.

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Speaker 3: It is something in the border. And this is the

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Speaker 3: other confusing thing about this. It seems that you know,

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Speaker 3: then you've got again this tension going on at New

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Speaker 2: Water Heather. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would like to put to you, Thomas, that the

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Speaker 1: financial model that we have used for sport in this

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm sure it is. I mean, part of

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Speaker 4: the problem is that entertainment is global now. Heaps of

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Speaker 4: And I think the financial models just aren't going to

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Speaker 1: You're back with the huddle, Thomas Scrimger Mark Sainsbury. All right, Thomas,

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Speaker 1: when are you going away on your holiday break.

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Speaker 4: I'm working through to the nineteenth and then flying off

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Speaker 4: twenty third of December. You need one day's leave before Christmas,

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Speaker 1: Gone for how long?

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Speaker 2: Gone for two weeks?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's really short, and then you're back at work.

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Speaker 4: Might take a few more days off, but yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know what's a holiday? Saying so, I mean you

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Speaker 2: You permanent holiday? Yeah? That's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you reckon is this?

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Speaker 1: Tosk got a point though, saying so that we're taking

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Speaker 3: Well, it could be, but some of the stone if

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Speaker 2: So tell me here that if you said the ZB,

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Speaker 2: I want to.

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Speaker 3: Work right through Christmas and then I want to have

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Speaker 2: And it used to be the same in TV.

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Speaker 3: You're forced to head to take your leave in January

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Speaker 3: and you've got the school holidays, people are away.

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Speaker 2: Like I see his point, but we do go into

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Speaker 3: We go into the thing over the summer where you know,

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Speaker 3: at different sponsors, I know I don't get something done

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Speaker 3: literally before December starts, trying to get to people as impossible.

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Speaker 2: And then it is February before they're back.

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Speaker 1: To make this argument saying, so the reason you can't

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Speaker 1: They are working in December. It's just we're so flat

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Speaker 1: out with everything else that's going on that we haven't got.

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Speaker 1: We have to finish the work we've got rather than

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Speaker 1: like Toss's argument is that we stop having productive conversations.

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Speaker 1: But it's simply because we're trying to get through our workload.

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Speaker 2: Here before we go on a great, big break.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think, Yeah, but you've got to

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Speaker 4: What do you say, Yeah, I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: businesses probably get a bit caught up in what seems

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Speaker 4: summer for the good of the economy. I don't work

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Speaker 4: for the good of the economy. I work for a wage.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, if businesses want to think they

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Speaker 4: can squeeze more out of January and more productivity. Great,

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Speaker 4: they can work with their employees, but I think it's

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Speaker 4: how that makes the economy run, as if that's why

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're onto something, all right, listening you're

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Speaker 1: going to go to Ikea sain Zone.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I will.

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Speaker 3: It reminds me of when ka seafoodh cues, although that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I've been to Ikea. It's funny.

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Speaker 3: Ikea celebrated their fiftieth anniversary.

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Speaker 2: In Sydney in July.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fiftieth anniversary, and we're here going, oh the wonder

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Speaker 2: Isn't this wonderful?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's why we're excited.

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Speaker 2: We love that, but.

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Speaker 3: It's like it is in a bit of a hangover,

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Speaker 3: as all those things we couldn't wait to McDonald's got

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Speaker 3: collective hysteria. But I was pleased to see that, you know,

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Speaker 1: So I think Ikea was as pleased about that, Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I think, look there says I was touched on something

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Speaker 1: there was. There's definitely a cringe over how like mad

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Speaker 1: for it we got. But it is also a good

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Speaker 1: news economic story because it shows we've got the kind

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Speaker 4: Well, you could go the cringe direction, Heather, but I'm

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Speaker 4: going on the conspiracy direction. I drove into work this

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Speaker 4: morning on the motorway and there are signs advertising Ikea

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Speaker 4: that are Auckland Transport signs. I open up the Herald

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Speaker 4: website and somedly there's a live ticker of updates. Is

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Speaker 4: everyone getting paid for all this free advertising? Where where

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Speaker 4: can I get this money? I'm on here on radio

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Speaker 4: talking about Ikea opening. It's a furniture store. Am I

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Speaker 4: getting some you know, some kickbacks for this?

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Speaker 1: And why you were here? You were complaining about making

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Speaker 1: the economy more productive and you're finding your own way

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Speaker 1: to do it. I love it, Okay, guys, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. And yeah, we're going to send our invoices

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Speaker 1: to Ikea, aren't we. Mark Sainsbury broadcast to Thomas Scrimser

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