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Speaker 2: Hell are you Great, New Zealand? And welcome to Men

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Full Show Podcast number two, nine to nine.

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Speaker 2: So our three hundred podcust tomorrow. That's craze. That is crazy.

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Speaker 2: It is the third of March, it's a Tuesday. It's

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Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty six. And we didn't do a topic.

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Speaker 2: We didn't do airbnbs.

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Speaker 3: No, we had a few teaks about that, but we

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Speaker 3: will maybe get to it tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good topic. Are you moving away from

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Speaker 2: the mbnbs because they're too much of a ball ake?

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Speaker 2: But we had we went, we went. The polling chat

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Speaker 2: was was deep.

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Speaker 3: They got deep, yep and powerful and then a lot

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Speaker 3: of chat about double breasting and triple resting. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: find out what that means a little bit later on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: every thing between the kids. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoon Squi Goda, News Talk Sivy.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome in to Tuesday Show.

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Speaker 3: Hope you having a great day wherever you were listening

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Speaker 3: in this lovely little country of ours, Cada.

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Speaker 2: Matt's get everyone can use city barbers, mounted and village.

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Speaker 2: They're going to take me in at five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Well mate, well done. Left at the last minute. But

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Speaker 3: you're in.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do about your unruly bed

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Speaker 2: before the photoshoot time?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. I mean, nobody's made

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Speaker 3: me an off he yet, so I'm glad you're locked in.

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Speaker 3: So if you're still out there, I'm still looking. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure I'll find a barber somewhere in the vicinity.

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Speaker 2: It's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: We finish it for couple of ours.

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Speaker 2: Moses got hold of me. Now I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about something just before we get into the subject which

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about today on polls. But I think it's

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Speaker 2: what people need to be aware about and it's a

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Speaker 2: form of communication through the years. So at home, we

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Speaker 2: were removing a me and my mate Andrew, we were

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Speaker 2: removing a vanity and replacing it with another vanity in

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Speaker 2: the bathroom. Nice and then when you look behind the vanity,

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Speaker 2: and there's a communication through the years from the person

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Speaker 2: that put it in. And that communication is kind of

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Speaker 2: a big if you so, all that time ago, someone's

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Speaker 2: done the most half assed job. They've just splashed glue

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Speaker 2: around everywhere. It's just an absolute mess, cut random holes

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Speaker 2: and just bogged it together.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And you've got to realize when you do that that

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Speaker 2: someone's going to see that. And I might not know

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Speaker 2: who that person is. I'll never know who that person is.

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Speaker 2: That vanity is probably put in fifteen years ago, yep,

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Speaker 2: but that person has communicated with me over the years

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Speaker 2: that they are useless at what they did. Equally, we're

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Speaker 2: working on I've got my mate working a sparky working

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Speaker 2: on the fan in the roof and it's just the

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Speaker 2: most pathetic setup you've ever seen, just held together with

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Speaker 2: gaffer tape and just blows everything. It sucks out into

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Speaker 2: a roof cavity, not even the main roof in the attic,

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Speaker 2: but a roof between the roof. And that's a communication

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Speaker 2: I think as good New Zealanders and you know and

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Speaker 2: someone pulls out the vanity replaced that, they go, my god,

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Speaker 2: that is some beautiful work you've done there. That would

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Speaker 2: be nice when someone replaces the extractor fan in the bathroom,

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Speaker 2: they go, wow, look at your It was behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: no one would ever see this on a day to

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Speaker 2: day basis. But what you've done there is absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Some trading respect, But how often do you get that? Really?

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Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell they've done this for?

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Speaker 2: What about this? So we've just moved into a new

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Speaker 2: And so there's a heated toil rail and it's got

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Speaker 2: So we've got my mate Damo and they're looking at it, sparky.

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Speaker 2: He pulls out the plug and the plug doesn't plug

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Speaker 3: So it looks that's some next level trolling. So not

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Speaker 3: only do they have the plug in there, because you think,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, So it's never going to work.

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Speaker 2: It's like an imitation of a plug. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why you'd go. You might as well have just glued

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Speaker 2: the switch to the wall. I don't know whether they

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Speaker 3: Bel there's that person because there you know, any sparky

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Speaker 3: of connection. But I don't know why it's not working

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Speaker 2: Those were why just trail off at some point? So anyway,

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Speaker 2: think about our communication over the ages. And when we

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Speaker 2: do a job, you think that one day's going to

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Speaker 2: look at that and how do you want them to

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Speaker 2: feel when they look at that like you were like

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Speaker 2: you were a quality workman, but.

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Speaker 3: A trading pride.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, rather than look back and go who

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Speaker 3: If only? But that's I got a good giggil from

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Speaker 3: whatever that sparking third fifty years ago. That is genius.

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Speaker 3: Right on to today's show After three o'clock, won't have

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Speaker 3: from a travel writer who said she is now over

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Speaker 3: Airbnb and gone completely back to hotels. She found that

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Speaker 3: the chores, hidden fees and lack of amenities with short

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Speaker 3: term rentals like Airbnb often detracted, she said, from her holidays,

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Speaker 3: whereas hotels offer consistent comfort services like daily housekeeping, brecky,

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Speaker 3: easier logistics, and perks such as loyalty points and credit

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Speaker 3: card benefits. So have you gone off Airbnb's for the

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Speaker 3: convenience of hotels? You hear about this sort of shed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I find the MBV is just a headache. You

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Speaker 2: you don't know what's going on. You've got to read

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Speaker 2: all the rules. The thing about a hotel is the rules,

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Speaker 2: you know, the rules. The rules have been laid down

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Speaker 2: for all time. But it's getting your BV. Don't do this,

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Speaker 2: don't do that. This is this, This is how you

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Speaker 2: get in too much for me.

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Speaker 3: I got to clean. You've got to go clean the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm all into hotels now.

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that after three o'clock. After two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: a British father and son duo cycling around the country

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Speaker 3: say that during their seventeen days and more than fifteen

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Speaker 3: most aggressive driver behavior they've ever seen across twenty four

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Speaker 3: countries where they've cycled. They had daily abuse, they said,

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Speaker 2: Have they been writing two abreast?

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Speaker 3: Highly likely?

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Speaker 2: Highly likely, because you it's true griggering when cyclists will

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Speaker 2: drive very slowly to a breast. You know you've got

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Speaker 2: to you gotta you gotta ride single file and stay

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Speaker 2: as close to the left as you can. But I

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Speaker 2: think that we're reaching the stage now we're cyclists and

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Speaker 2: and this is thanks to cycle lanes, we're losing the

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Speaker 2: ability to interact on the roads, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: the downside of cycling, I mean cycle lanes. One of

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Speaker 2: the big downsides is people on bicycles don't learn how

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Speaker 2: to operate on the road, and people on the road

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Speaker 2: aren't used to seeing cyclists on the road. So there's

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Speaker 2: just this confusion. There's randomness to it, to it.

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Speaker 3: All, I think there's yeah, a lot to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is a lot of anti bicycle rhetor

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Speaker 2: acount there is. But there's also a lot of cyclists.

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Speaker 3: Entitlement out there and anger yep.

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Speaker 2: And you know there's people that ride around with their

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Speaker 2: one less car on the road, backpacks on that incite

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Speaker 3: That was one of the fellers that hit my bonnet

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Speaker 3: when I went over the over the lights a little

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Speaker 3: bit too much and then he whacked my bonnet and

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Speaker 3: said excuse me. Yeah, so that guy, that guy was

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Speaker 3: a bad cyclist. Shame on him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, imagine riding around with a backpack. That's just

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Speaker 2: judging everyone that's behind you losers car, I don't know

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Speaker 3: Anyway, that's going to be a great chat. Are we

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Speaker 3: terrible discyclists on our roads? What do you say? But

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Speaker 3: right now we want to have a chat about poles. So,

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Speaker 3: as we know, the poles are coming through thick and fast. Already,

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Speaker 3: we've had seven official poles already. This is political poles

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Speaker 3: already this year and it's the third of March last year.

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Speaker 3: To put that into context, forty four official poles. But

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Speaker 3: as we know, falling response rates and shifting communication habits

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Speaker 3: have made a political polling more difficult. So are we

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Speaker 3: getting over polled here? Have you got complete pole fatigue?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So yesterday Pole comes out and everyone was talking about

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Speaker 2: the surprising results and we all think, wow, is that

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Speaker 2: what people in New Zealand are thinking? And we assume

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Speaker 2: Pole is credible, that it represents the thoughts of New

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Speaker 2: Zealanders in a statistically sensible fashion. Then when you look

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Speaker 2: at the polling methodology, you find out it isn't a

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Speaker 2: random sample of kiwis. It's an opt in. But not

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Speaker 2: only that, people can earn vouchers for participating in the pole.

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Speaker 2: So this isn't a poll of New Zealanders, it's a

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Speaker 2: pole of New Zealanders who have chosen to be part

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Speaker 2: of a pole which most of us would never do

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Speaker 2: and they've done it for gain. So no matter how

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Speaker 2: much they weight it towards certain demos or however they

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Speaker 2: try and balance it, it should be announced as what

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Speaker 2: it is when it is discussed by everyone, not as

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Speaker 2: what New Zealanders think, but what some people who decided

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Speaker 2: to do the pole think, which is a very very

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Speaker 2: different thing. But not only this, the comsick of all poles.

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Speaker 2: As you said before, Tyler, how many have we had?

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Speaker 2: Forty four last year, seven already this year. Even supposedly

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Speaker 2: robust polls, the waiting is getting crazy because the non

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Speaker 2: response rates are so high because changing ways of how

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Speaker 2: we do things. We're all on cell phones, we won't

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Speaker 2: answer the calls. And one investigation it was discovered that

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Speaker 2: a poll had a ninety six point four percent non

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Speaker 2: response rate, So that means you're only polling the three

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Speaker 9: And that's where we bring in jd Vance. We've not

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Speaker 10: I think if I'm here, I'm hiding because his brand

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Speaker 3: Being on half past one, plenty of teach coming through.

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Speaker 3: It's very good we could run the.

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Speaker 2: Most unscientific poll on how people feel about poles because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we could do that. It will have no scientific

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Speaker 2: the age range. I am the wrong ethnicity. Three I

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00:20:59,693 --> 00:21:02,812
Speaker 2: am the wrong gender, Chrissy. You see, that's what happens

437
00:21:02,813 --> 00:21:05,373
Speaker 2: now because they have such a low response rate that

438
00:21:05,413 --> 00:21:09,453
Speaker 2: they have to fill buckets of different demographs to weight

439
00:21:09,733 --> 00:21:14,532
Speaker 2: the pole in a way that they believe represents New Zealand.

440
00:21:15,613 --> 00:21:19,133
Speaker 2: And they and so if they what they try and

441
00:21:19,173 --> 00:21:21,933
Speaker 2: do is fill those buckets. So they keep ringing and ringing.

442
00:21:21,973 --> 00:21:23,773
Speaker 2: It's very easy to fill some buckets. And they're trying

443
00:21:23,813 --> 00:21:25,693
Speaker 2: to bring buckets of people, if you like to refer

444
00:21:25,693 --> 00:21:27,973
Speaker 2: to people as buckets of people. So if they keep

445
00:21:27,973 --> 00:21:30,453
Speaker 2: bringing you and you you answer the phone and you're

446
00:21:30,493 --> 00:21:32,813
Speaker 2: a bucket that's already been filled, they go and ring

447
00:21:32,853 --> 00:21:35,093
Speaker 2: someone else. Yeah, the problem is because of the low

448
00:21:35,133 --> 00:21:37,853
Speaker 2: response rate. They've struggle to fill the buckets now because

449
00:21:37,893 --> 00:21:40,173
Speaker 2: so few people do the poles, So then they start

450
00:21:40,293 --> 00:21:43,813
Speaker 2: waiting it, so one person's answer gets double tripled and

451
00:21:43,853 --> 00:21:47,293
Speaker 2: by the time sometimes up to five times, and then

452
00:21:47,413 --> 00:21:49,133
Speaker 2: things get way askew.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

454
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Speaker 3: number to call if you want to send a text?

455
00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:55,733
Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is that number?

456
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Speaker 2: The outcome of a pulse's graham is completely dependent on

457
00:21:59,213 --> 00:22:02,693
Speaker 2: the nature of the question. Yeah, so, I mean famous

458
00:22:03,053 --> 00:22:08,733
Speaker 2: questions would be and look, this isn't you know, straight

459
00:22:08,733 --> 00:22:13,373
Speaker 2: political poll who you're voting for rights, that's different. But

460
00:22:13,613 --> 00:22:16,053
Speaker 2: you see questions like, do you agree the government's reckless

461
00:22:16,053 --> 00:22:18,893
Speaker 2: spending is hurting ordinary families?

462
00:22:19,373 --> 00:22:19,573
Speaker 8: Yes?

463
00:22:19,813 --> 00:22:22,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, Should heart working taxpayers have to pay for this

464
00:22:22,453 --> 00:22:25,013
Speaker 2: failed program?

465
00:22:25,053 --> 00:22:25,933
Speaker 3: Heavily conflicted?

466
00:22:25,973 --> 00:22:29,653
Speaker 2: Should counsel stop wasting money on unpopular vanity project?

467
00:22:29,773 --> 00:22:31,453
Speaker 3: Yes?

468
00:22:32,093 --> 00:22:33,973
Speaker 2: Do you agree it's time to protect our borders from

469
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Speaker 2: increasing influx of an increasing influx of immigrants?

470
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Speaker 3: Interesting? Yeah, but that is that's the sort of questions

471
00:22:44,173 --> 00:22:46,773
Speaker 3: that they chuck out there. So can you hear from you?

472
00:22:47,173 --> 00:22:49,853
Speaker 3: Have you been contacted bipolster? And will you ask some

473
00:22:49,893 --> 00:22:53,133
Speaker 3: of those questions and have you had enough of political

474
00:22:53,173 --> 00:22:54,093
Speaker 3: polling full stop?

475
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Speaker 2: Lad's My biggest concern is the disingenuine disingenuinity just ingenuity

476
00:22:59,973 --> 00:23:03,133
Speaker 2: in the reporting of the pole, like yesterday's IPSOS pole.

477
00:23:03,413 --> 00:23:05,333
Speaker 2: Then there's the leak poles that you can't find the

478
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Speaker 2: details to. Yet we are told we have to take

479
00:23:07,573 --> 00:23:10,773
Speaker 2: the reporter's word that is true. Yeah, I think you've

480
00:23:10,813 --> 00:23:14,173
Speaker 2: got to You've got to discuss the methodology of the pole.

481
00:23:14,653 --> 00:23:17,013
Speaker 2: You when you're announcing the pole. I think that's up

482
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Speaker 2: to media to do that.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, What do you say though, oh, one hundred

484
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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is that number? Headlines coming up?

485
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Speaker 3: Then we're taking more of your court.

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Speaker 6: at Ends and Herald Premium. Now back to Matteath and

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Speaker 6: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Raylan. So we're talking about how

507
00:24:44,813 --> 00:24:48,053
Speaker 3: many political polls we're being punished with this year alone,

508
00:24:48,213 --> 00:24:51,293
Speaker 3: and the credibility of some of those polls. But when

509
00:24:51,293 --> 00:24:54,053
Speaker 3: it comes to polling a political poll in it makes

510
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Speaker 3: me think of this clip from Yes Prime Minister about

511
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Speaker 3: how poles can be skewed. Here it is a.

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Speaker 9: Party, you've had an opinion poll done, it seems all

513
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Speaker 9: the voters are in favor of bringing back National service.

514
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Speaker 11: We'll have another opinion poll done showing the voters are

515
00:25:08,093 --> 00:25:12,373
Speaker 11: again bringing back national service. We can't be it, Bernard.

516
00:25:12,573 --> 00:25:13,813
Speaker 11: Have you ever been surveyed?

517
00:25:13,973 --> 00:25:14,173
Speaker 12: Yes?

518
00:25:14,253 --> 00:25:15,493
Speaker 1: Well, nott me actually in my house.

519
00:25:15,613 --> 00:25:17,973
Speaker 2: Oh, I see what, Bernard?

520
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Speaker 11: Do you know what happens? A nice young lady comes

521
00:25:20,173 --> 00:25:22,573
Speaker 11: up to you. Obviously you want to create a good impression.

522
00:25:22,573 --> 00:25:24,733
Speaker 11: You don't want to look at fool, do you know?

523
00:25:25,333 --> 00:25:30,013
Speaker 11: So she starts asking you some questions. Mister Willie. Are

524
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Speaker 11: you worried about the number of young people without jobs?

525
00:25:33,693 --> 00:25:34,013
Speaker 13: Yes?

526
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Speaker 11: Are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?

527
00:25:38,293 --> 00:25:38,613
Speaker 1: Yes?

528
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Speaker 11: Do you think there's a lect of discipline in our

529
00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:41,333
Speaker 11: comprehensive schools?

530
00:25:41,733 --> 00:25:42,053
Speaker 1: Yes?

531
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Speaker 11: Do you think young people welcome some authority and leadership

532
00:25:46,093 --> 00:25:46,653
Speaker 11: in their lives?

533
00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:47,133
Speaker 8: Yes?

534
00:25:47,293 --> 00:25:49,053
Speaker 11: Do you think they respond to a challenge?

535
00:25:49,453 --> 00:25:49,733
Speaker 8: Yes?

536
00:25:49,893 --> 00:25:52,213
Speaker 11: Would you be in favor of reintroducing National service?

537
00:25:55,893 --> 00:25:57,493
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose I might, yes?

538
00:25:57,613 --> 00:25:57,813
Speaker 10: Or no?

539
00:25:58,733 --> 00:26:00,813
Speaker 11: Yes, of course you would, Bernard. If for all you've

540
00:26:00,853 --> 00:26:03,853
Speaker 11: told you, you can't say no to that. So they don't

541
00:26:03,893 --> 00:26:06,293
Speaker 11: mention the first five questions, and they published the last one.

542
00:26:06,773 --> 00:26:08,573
Speaker 2: He said, really what they do well?

543
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Speaker 11: Not the reputable ones? No, but there aren't many of those. Alternatively,

544
00:26:13,653 --> 00:26:17,493
Speaker 11: the young lady can get the opposite result. Mister Willett,

545
00:26:18,013 --> 00:26:19,573
Speaker 11: are you worried about the danger of war?

546
00:26:19,813 --> 00:26:20,093
Speaker 1: Yes?

547
00:26:20,413 --> 00:26:22,333
Speaker 11: Are you worried about the growth of armaments?

548
00:26:22,533 --> 00:26:22,853
Speaker 12: Yes?

549
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Speaker 11: Do you think there's a danger in giving young people

550
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Speaker 11: guns and teaching them how to kill?

551
00:26:26,573 --> 00:26:26,773
Speaker 8: Yes?

552
00:26:27,013 --> 00:26:29,013
Speaker 11: Do you think it's wrong to force people to take

553
00:26:29,093 --> 00:26:30,213
Speaker 11: up arms against their will?

554
00:26:30,453 --> 00:26:30,733
Speaker 1: Yes?

555
00:26:30,973 --> 00:26:34,293
Speaker 11: Would you oppose the reintroduction of national service?

556
00:26:34,413 --> 00:26:34,613
Speaker 14: Yes?

557
00:26:39,813 --> 00:26:41,413
Speaker 11: The perfect balanced sample.

558
00:26:42,213 --> 00:26:42,773
Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 2: I am I. They gave me PTSD from being a kid,

560
00:26:47,413 --> 00:26:49,733
Speaker 2: and my parents used to watch ust Minister and youst

561
00:26:49,733 --> 00:26:52,053
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, and I'd sit on the couch and I

562
00:26:52,173 --> 00:26:53,893
Speaker 2: just could not understand why they were laughing.

563
00:26:54,053 --> 00:26:55,333
Speaker 3: It was pretty high level stuff.

564
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just that sort of posh voice going, They're just

565
00:27:00,893 --> 00:27:03,213
Speaker 2: just ringing in the room while I Susterian TV, going,

566
00:27:03,733 --> 00:27:04,813
Speaker 2: why would we be watching this?

567
00:27:04,893 --> 00:27:06,733
Speaker 3: There's some nostalgia for a lot of people out there, But.

568
00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:09,573
Speaker 2: Listen to it back now. Seems like it was very clever,

569
00:27:09,733 --> 00:27:10,213
Speaker 2: wasn't I have.

570
00:27:10,373 --> 00:27:12,733
Speaker 3: Very good writing? One hundred and eighty ten eighty is

571
00:27:12,733 --> 00:27:14,893
Speaker 3: the number to call get a venora.

572
00:27:15,693 --> 00:27:18,853
Speaker 15: He's high. You're very clever writing and Dansami was the same.

573
00:27:18,973 --> 00:27:20,333
Speaker 15: Who is very worthy.

574
00:27:21,013 --> 00:27:23,373
Speaker 3: Yes, now talk to us about polls. You you love

575
00:27:23,413 --> 00:27:24,133
Speaker 3: the polls?

576
00:27:24,653 --> 00:27:27,693
Speaker 15: True? I love polls. I love any questionnaires and poles.

577
00:27:27,733 --> 00:27:30,133
Speaker 15: I don't know why, but I just do.

578
00:27:30,413 --> 00:27:30,493
Speaker 6: So.

579
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't mind doing a poll and a pristelia.

580
00:27:33,133 --> 00:27:36,413
Speaker 15: And I'm not swayed like if a If a party

581
00:27:36,493 --> 00:27:38,893
Speaker 15: has ABC, what they agree with, what they do and

582
00:27:38,893 --> 00:27:42,293
Speaker 15: what they promote, I won't be swayed by the majority.

583
00:27:42,773 --> 00:27:46,213
Speaker 15: If I agree with something, I vote for the party

584
00:27:46,253 --> 00:27:48,933
Speaker 15: that does what I think. You know what I like?

585
00:27:49,573 --> 00:27:50,532
Speaker 14: So, I don't know.

586
00:27:50,573 --> 00:27:52,373
Speaker 15: I don't agree with what you said before about being

587
00:27:52,453 --> 00:27:57,453
Speaker 15: swayed by the majority. A poll, should you know? It

588
00:27:57,533 --> 00:27:59,773
Speaker 15: sort of gives you the idea. Okay, do you agree?

589
00:27:59,813 --> 00:28:03,613
Speaker 15: Do you like this? Do you want this? And if

590
00:28:03,653 --> 00:28:09,013
Speaker 15: a party year has the policies I like, I will

591
00:28:09,093 --> 00:28:11,973
Speaker 15: vote to them. I've voted between labor and New Zealand

592
00:28:12,013 --> 00:28:14,293
Speaker 15: foods most of my life. I've never voted for national

593
00:28:14,453 --> 00:28:18,613
Speaker 15: although I did play almost this last time for the

594
00:28:18,653 --> 00:28:23,013
Speaker 15: fruit time ever, but mostly it was always Labor.

595
00:28:24,293 --> 00:28:28,973
Speaker 2: Do you reach out to like so? Do you sit around?

596
00:28:28,973 --> 00:28:31,213
Speaker 2: You say you love doing poles? Serves? Do you sit

597
00:28:31,293 --> 00:28:32,573
Speaker 2: around and wait for toun.

598
00:28:32,813 --> 00:28:34,933
Speaker 15: I haven't had one presented to me for years.

599
00:28:35,173 --> 00:28:36,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's going to say.

600
00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:37,693
Speaker 15: They come to them how they come.

601
00:28:37,973 --> 00:28:41,293
Speaker 2: Because you know, you can go on like ipsos or whatever,

602
00:28:41,453 --> 00:28:44,773
Speaker 2: you can go on and choose to opt into poles.

603
00:28:44,813 --> 00:28:45,533
Speaker 2: Would you ever do that?

604
00:28:45,693 --> 00:28:49,093
Speaker 15: Okay, I'll should do that. I will do that because yes,

605
00:28:49,253 --> 00:28:52,333
Speaker 15: I will do this. Right, So I didn't realize. I

606
00:28:52,373 --> 00:28:55,453
Speaker 15: didn't realize because years ago, you know that come to you.

607
00:28:55,573 --> 00:28:58,613
Speaker 15: So I sort of get stuck in the past sometimes,

608
00:28:58,653 --> 00:29:00,133
Speaker 15: So I didn't realize sent me here to.

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00:29:02,173 --> 00:29:07,173
Speaker 2: You don't have to. But do you have a landline Venora?

610
00:29:07,973 --> 00:29:08,133
Speaker 6: No?

611
00:29:08,573 --> 00:29:09,893
Speaker 15: No, I wish we saw had copper.

612
00:29:10,093 --> 00:29:14,053
Speaker 2: I'd love a land So if a number you didn't

613
00:29:14,093 --> 00:29:15,773
Speaker 2: know called you, would you answer it?

614
00:29:18,093 --> 00:29:21,173
Speaker 15: Usually no, But I did my answer on the other day,

615
00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:24,213
Speaker 15: and I would sort of have a lot, but I

616
00:29:24,293 --> 00:29:24,973
Speaker 15: often don't.

617
00:29:25,213 --> 00:29:29,453
Speaker 2: So yes, maybe so you might have been you might

618
00:29:29,493 --> 00:29:31,613
Speaker 2: have been one of the really high non response rate

619
00:29:31,653 --> 00:29:34,293
Speaker 2: because and that's that's the problem. That's the problem that

620
00:29:34,333 --> 00:29:36,813
Speaker 2: they have because I don't answer a call that I

621
00:29:36,813 --> 00:29:37,733
Speaker 2: don't know the number.

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00:29:37,573 --> 00:29:41,373
Speaker 15: Of yes, that's the that's the thing. I think people

623
00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:45,133
Speaker 15: assume it's was scam. So normal and don't answer them.

624
00:29:45,133 --> 00:29:46,093
Speaker 15: And I'm one of those.

625
00:29:46,173 --> 00:29:49,373
Speaker 2: So yeah, if they leave a message, they bring us back.

626
00:29:49,853 --> 00:29:52,933
Speaker 15: If if they leave a message, I always check if

627
00:29:52,973 --> 00:29:56,453
Speaker 15: the If they're okay, they will leave a message, and

628
00:29:56,493 --> 00:29:58,653
Speaker 15: if they haven't left the message, I'll just block it.

629
00:29:59,533 --> 00:30:02,133
Speaker 15: I think the Poland should leave a message and say

630
00:30:02,253 --> 00:30:04,333
Speaker 15: this is what we do. We are legitimate.

631
00:30:05,013 --> 00:30:07,213
Speaker 3: You can see the NOORI you'd be you know, arguably

632
00:30:07,253 --> 00:30:09,693
Speaker 3: what they call a uniform in the a unicorn in

633
00:30:09,693 --> 00:30:12,533
Speaker 3: the polling world. That you want to do it because

634
00:30:12,613 --> 00:30:15,293
Speaker 3: you you know, you care about politics and you care

635
00:30:15,333 --> 00:30:18,093
Speaker 3: about the direction of the country. I'd argue most people,

636
00:30:18,133 --> 00:30:20,293
Speaker 3: particularly opt in in, they don't care about that stuff.

637
00:30:20,293 --> 00:30:22,453
Speaker 3: They want the supermarket bound yet they want the points

638
00:30:22,493 --> 00:30:25,213
Speaker 3: for you know, answering all these surveys and then they

639
00:30:25,253 --> 00:30:28,013
Speaker 3: get enough to get a ten dollar gift foucher. That's

640
00:30:28,013 --> 00:30:28,813
Speaker 3: what they care about.

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00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:29,613
Speaker 16: Yeah.

642
00:30:29,653 --> 00:30:33,693
Speaker 15: I've had them before too, so yeah, but no, I

643
00:30:33,693 --> 00:30:35,053
Speaker 15: don't care if I get something or not.

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00:30:35,093 --> 00:30:40,613
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, So if you're listening posters, Venora is

645
00:30:40,653 --> 00:30:41,133
Speaker 2: your one.

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00:30:41,253 --> 00:30:43,533
Speaker 3: Yep, she's good to go, she's ready. Just give her

647
00:30:43,533 --> 00:30:43,853
Speaker 3: a call.

648
00:30:43,973 --> 00:30:44,493
Speaker 2: She's waiting.

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Speaker 3: Not from an unknown number though, from a real number,

650
00:30:46,973 --> 00:30:49,413
Speaker 3: but noora, thank you very much. O. One hundred and

651
00:30:49,453 --> 00:30:52,693
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two

652
00:30:52,773 --> 00:30:55,213
Speaker 3: ninety two is the text number as well. We'll get

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00:30:55,213 --> 00:30:56,973
Speaker 3: to more of your calls very shortly. It is seventeen

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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler with you as your afternoon rolls on

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00:31:01,453 --> 00:31:04,773
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with Koda. Can you

657
00:31:04,893 --> 00:31:08,333
Speaker 1: crack the code? Please go to codes every day news talks, there'd.

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Speaker 3: Be fourteen to two. Are you over the political polls

659
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Speaker 3: that we get saturated? Worth Bill? What's your take on it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Hey, look, there is no protection for the public on

662
00:31:20,973 --> 00:31:23,413
Speaker 17: these polls that go out, and protection in terms of

663
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Speaker 17: how questions will put out, who the actual people are

664
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Speaker 17: that are doing it. I mean, this last poll has

665
00:31:29,853 --> 00:31:32,813
Speaker 17: come out to be laughable. And yet we had a

666
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Speaker 17: Zaria on the radio yesterday saying that she checked them

667
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Speaker 17: out in the bona Fide, and then we have her

668
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Speaker 17: on there today saying that, oh, she looks at every pole,

669
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Speaker 17: at every pole of site.

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Speaker 4: So I mean she's mainstream media.

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Speaker 17: She's in the top three or four media people who

672
00:31:49,253 --> 00:31:52,493
Speaker 17: we're told to watch and listen to each day. During

673
00:31:52,533 --> 00:31:55,533
Speaker 17: the news to get their bona fide reports, and yet

674
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Speaker 17: we find out a day later the stupidity of a

675
00:32:00,053 --> 00:32:02,173
Speaker 17: poll that came out as that, and how it was

676
00:32:02,173 --> 00:32:05,773
Speaker 17: scattered and if and then we're not protected by showing

677
00:32:05,853 --> 00:32:09,293
Speaker 17: us the results, showing us exactly you know what your

678
00:32:09,413 --> 00:32:13,053
Speaker 17: results were, where you go together this data. I mean,

679
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Speaker 17: I find it laughable but dangerous all in one hate if.

680
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Speaker 2: You, I mean, are there any polls that you think

681
00:32:20,293 --> 00:32:22,453
Speaker 2: are credible? So this is an opt in poll, this

682
00:32:22,773 --> 00:32:26,213
Speaker 2: EPSOS poll, and you can go to the IPSOS website

683
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Speaker 2: and look at it. I actually found it pretty hard

684
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Speaker 2: to find the methodology though when I went there, so I.

685
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Speaker 17: Wonder about that.

686
00:32:36,293 --> 00:32:38,573
Speaker 2: I had to I had to do quite a lot

687
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Speaker 2: of research to find out what the methodology is that

688
00:32:40,493 --> 00:32:42,253
Speaker 2: and I think that is hugely important. If you're going

689
00:32:42,293 --> 00:32:45,333
Speaker 2: to say that this is the opinion of New Zealanders,

690
00:32:45,533 --> 00:32:48,133
Speaker 2: then the methodology needs to be the first thing you

691
00:32:48,213 --> 00:32:50,373
Speaker 2: do it. And if it's not a random sample of

692
00:32:50,453 --> 00:32:54,133
Speaker 2: New Zealanders, then it's not really the opinion of New Zealanders.

693
00:32:54,173 --> 00:32:57,773
Speaker 2: But are there any polls that you do take note

694
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Speaker 2: of bill Ones where they've run run run a thousand

695
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Speaker 2: people and.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, probably late in the piece prior to a lection two.

697
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Speaker 4: Or three months out.

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Speaker 17: I might pay attention to Colma Brunton. Maybe you know,

699
00:33:13,693 --> 00:33:17,133
Speaker 17: there's one or two others there, but certainly not nine

700
00:33:17,253 --> 00:33:20,453
Speaker 17: or ten or twelve or fourteen that are being made

701
00:33:20,493 --> 00:33:22,733
Speaker 17: available to the public. But you know, one of my

702
00:33:22,853 --> 00:33:27,293
Speaker 17: points is the media they need to take responsibility for

703
00:33:27,413 --> 00:33:30,213
Speaker 17: how they report this. They might find it amusing and

704
00:33:30,253 --> 00:33:32,573
Speaker 17: all that sort of thing, but you know, there's such

705
00:33:32,573 --> 00:33:35,933
Speaker 17: a thing as fomo. People fear of missing out of

706
00:33:36,293 --> 00:33:37,533
Speaker 17: being in the winner's circle.

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Speaker 4: You know, Oh is that right?

708
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Speaker 17: Oh well we better vote that. Well, we better think

709
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Speaker 17: that way because the majority of people are thinking that way.

710
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Speaker 17: I mean, I just find it. I just find it

711
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Speaker 17: astounding that these were that these questions are being put

712
00:33:53,373 --> 00:33:56,093
Speaker 17: out there and we're not knowing exactly what context or

713
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Speaker 17: anything like that.

714
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Speaker 2: You know, it does seem to me that if it

715
00:34:00,733 --> 00:34:03,013
Speaker 2: is an Opton pole, that that needs to be said

716
00:34:03,173 --> 00:34:05,093
Speaker 2: when you go, these are the results of an Opton

717
00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:09,292
Speaker 2: pole where people get vouchers for how much they participate,

718
00:34:09,333 --> 00:34:12,453
Speaker 2: because that is huge, hugely different and.

719
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Speaker 17: Minister thing that you were talking about, what that was

720
00:34:16,133 --> 00:34:19,933
Speaker 17: a great show, wasn't that that Minister Helen Bestard know that.

721
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Speaker 2: Was the New Statesman with Rick Mayl. That's right, Yeah, yeah,

722
00:34:24,653 --> 00:34:26,453
Speaker 2: the r I p Rick Male one of the greatest

723
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Speaker 2: Golden Age of TV.

724
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much. Just say, you know, for

725
00:34:31,813 --> 00:34:34,693
Speaker 3: the journalists that pick up on on these sort of surveys,

726
00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:37,293
Speaker 3: I think part of the rationale and Ben will get

727
00:34:37,333 --> 00:34:39,933
Speaker 3: you in a second, mate, part of the rationale is

728
00:34:39,973 --> 00:34:43,333
Speaker 3: that they need you know, part of a journalist is

729
00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:45,772
Speaker 3: to represent the people right and to try and chase

730
00:34:45,853 --> 00:34:48,172
Speaker 3: up questions on behalf of the population. That's the role.

731
00:34:48,573 --> 00:34:52,373
Speaker 3: So it's a litmus test they think on how the

732
00:34:52,413 --> 00:34:55,573
Speaker 3: average New Zealander is feeling. That's the initial when you

733
00:34:55,613 --> 00:34:58,013
Speaker 3: get that media release and say here's the HIPSOS poll.

734
00:34:58,213 --> 00:35:01,533
Speaker 3: But I agree a deeper dive into how was this colated?

735
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Speaker 3: And that's often not dug into because they see the

736
00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:09,613
Speaker 3: headline Holy moly, labor is the you know, it's trusted

737
00:35:09,653 --> 00:35:10,773
Speaker 3: with the economy, and they run with it.

738
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Speaker 2: I would say it's meaningless if its opten because the

739
00:35:13,453 --> 00:35:15,613
Speaker 2: margin of area. You can't do in a margin of

740
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Speaker 2: era on an Opton online poll. Ben your thoughts. Sorry there,

741
00:35:20,293 --> 00:35:22,933
Speaker 2: we bring you on and pushed you off. Thanks for waiting.

742
00:35:25,053 --> 00:35:29,213
Speaker 4: You know, I tell you he's cheers for your time. Listen.

743
00:35:29,613 --> 00:35:34,053
Speaker 4: I'm not a fan of this whole thing. Get phone calls.

744
00:35:34,573 --> 00:35:36,653
Speaker 4: The last time I went to school. When you ring someone,

745
00:35:37,813 --> 00:35:42,093
Speaker 4: you say hi, it's been speaking, and then you ask

746
00:35:42,213 --> 00:35:44,493
Speaker 4: for you know, whoever is there. These guys bring you

747
00:35:44,573 --> 00:35:47,453
Speaker 4: up and they the first thing they say is just

748
00:35:47,733 --> 00:35:51,413
Speaker 4: is this mister so and so? Or is this you know?

749
00:35:51,573 --> 00:35:53,413
Speaker 4: It's all back to front. They straight away they get

750
00:35:53,453 --> 00:35:55,732
Speaker 4: you garden. You get a bit of a hang on.

751
00:35:55,973 --> 00:35:57,893
Speaker 2: When that happens to me. If someone says is this

752
00:35:59,013 --> 00:35:59,732
Speaker 2: the who?

753
00:35:59,813 --> 00:36:00,013
Speaker 18: You know?

754
00:36:00,053 --> 00:36:01,933
Speaker 2: They ask your name? Like what like you're saying, Ben,

755
00:36:02,173 --> 00:36:05,373
Speaker 2: I immediately get suspicious. Yeah, I immediately don't like, hell

756
00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:05,692
Speaker 2: are you?

757
00:36:05,813 --> 00:36:11,693
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're thinking is this what you want to know?

758
00:36:11,853 --> 00:36:12,053
Speaker 19: Yeah?

759
00:36:12,093 --> 00:36:16,692
Speaker 4: Are you? Then it gets you off guard. But I mean,

760
00:36:16,933 --> 00:36:19,493
Speaker 4: if they if they did the poll from someone down

761
00:36:19,493 --> 00:36:22,373
Speaker 4: and bluff a fisherman and then they rung a lawyer

762
00:36:22,413 --> 00:36:25,933
Speaker 4: in Auckland, and then they rung a someone from the

763
00:36:25,933 --> 00:36:28,853
Speaker 4: coast and didn't need to get a few idea. But

764
00:36:30,093 --> 00:36:32,533
Speaker 4: I reckon it's ohays been the call seemed when I

765
00:36:32,533 --> 00:36:34,652
Speaker 4: was a young fellow and we were just giving all

766
00:36:34,653 --> 00:36:36,853
Speaker 4: these random numbers and we had to ring them and

767
00:36:36,973 --> 00:36:38,613
Speaker 4: I think that's it's a bit of a money maker

768
00:36:38,653 --> 00:36:41,493
Speaker 4: for whatever call center is ringing up these polls.

769
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot to that. Thank

770
00:36:44,693 --> 00:36:47,653
Speaker 3: you very much for your call. Ben right beg very shortly,

771
00:36:47,653 --> 00:36:50,013
Speaker 3: but taking your calls on one hundred eighty ten eighty.

772
00:36:50,053 --> 00:36:51,413
Speaker 3: It is eight minutes to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight

774
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Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons

775
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Speaker 1: news dogs'd be.

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Speaker 3: It is five to two, plenty of texts coming through

777
00:37:02,973 --> 00:37:05,252
Speaker 3: A nine two ninety two. This one political poll should

778
00:37:05,293 --> 00:37:07,493
Speaker 3: be banned, say four months before the election, because they

779
00:37:07,493 --> 00:37:10,573
Speaker 3: should not influence it's the election, and this one I get, guys.

780
00:37:10,573 --> 00:37:12,652
Speaker 3: I did quite a few political polls. The questions are

781
00:37:12,693 --> 00:37:15,373
Speaker 3: always skewed with a limited range of answers. I think

782
00:37:15,373 --> 00:37:16,293
Speaker 3: they are very subjective.

783
00:37:16,373 --> 00:37:18,253
Speaker 2: Tim says our PM is a bumbling idiot and none

784
00:37:18,293 --> 00:37:20,893
Speaker 2: of us promises about economic recovery have come to fruition.

785
00:37:21,093 --> 00:37:23,373
Speaker 2: Is it really that hard to believe they are losing

786
00:37:23,573 --> 00:37:26,533
Speaker 2: in the polls. I mean, that's the question though about

787
00:37:27,213 --> 00:37:29,373
Speaker 2: it's just particularly about the pole that came out yesterday.

788
00:37:29,613 --> 00:37:31,812
Speaker 2: It's an opt in poll, so really it's not telling

789
00:37:31,813 --> 00:37:35,253
Speaker 2: you anything about what New Zealanders actually believe. And so

790
00:37:35,493 --> 00:37:38,933
Speaker 2: you know, we're more talking about polls in general and

791
00:37:39,053 --> 00:37:42,173
Speaker 2: whether the methodology should be announced at the start of

792
00:37:42,653 --> 00:37:44,813
Speaker 2: any reading out of the polls. We should. I mean

793
00:37:44,893 --> 00:37:47,172
Speaker 2: a lot of people are texting it about margin of era,

794
00:37:47,653 --> 00:37:50,893
Speaker 2: and that is quite a different thing. A margin of

795
00:37:50,893 --> 00:37:54,853
Speaker 2: era is just dealing with natural variation. So the word

796
00:37:54,853 --> 00:37:57,453
Speaker 2: era is an interesting thing. But that's because they only

797
00:37:57,493 --> 00:38:00,253
Speaker 2: ever poll a thousand people, right, so I could get

798
00:38:00,253 --> 00:38:03,893
Speaker 2: into the complexities of what margin of era is. But

799
00:38:03,973 --> 00:38:07,093
Speaker 2: that's just if you repeated the poll, say a thousand times,

800
00:38:07,853 --> 00:38:12,973
Speaker 2: how often it would end in a particular span, right, Yeah,

801
00:38:13,013 --> 00:38:17,173
Speaker 2: on the curve, right. But these opten polls and online polls,

802
00:38:17,213 --> 00:38:19,253
Speaker 2: there's no margin of vera because that you can't do that.

803
00:38:19,413 --> 00:38:22,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very specific subgroup of the population. It's

804
00:38:22,333 --> 00:38:24,813
Speaker 3: not random, Yeah, exactly. All right, We're going to take

805
00:38:24,853 --> 00:38:27,413
Speaker 3: this for a little bit longer. After two o'clock. Oh,

806
00:38:27,413 --> 00:38:30,013
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number called nine

807
00:38:30,093 --> 00:38:34,293
Speaker 3: two ninety two? Is the text? Are we oversaturated with

808
00:38:34,333 --> 00:38:36,772
Speaker 3: the political polling. Have you had enough? Have you got

809
00:38:36,853 --> 00:38:37,973
Speaker 3: polling fatigue?

810
00:38:38,333 --> 00:38:40,573
Speaker 2: Stop hassling the polls. This is racist. I think that

811
00:38:40,613 --> 00:38:44,813
Speaker 2: person is misunderstanding what we're talking about about. Poles love

812
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Speaker 2: the Polish.

813
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks for your text though, good to clarify that.

814
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Speaker 3: News Sport and we're a fast coming up grade TV company.

815
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Speaker 3: As always you listening to Matt and Tyler.

816
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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

817
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Speaker 1: Adam's Afternoons with Scota News Talks Beat for.

818
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Speaker 3: Good Afternoon, Chier, welcome back into the show. Sixpars too,

819
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Speaker 3: and just a reminder, mates at Scota could be sending

820
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821
00:39:10,413 --> 00:39:12,613
Speaker 3: you play sco to codes. If you do need some

822
00:39:12,653 --> 00:39:15,613
Speaker 3: help with today's clue, just keep listening. We will have

823
00:39:15,933 --> 00:39:18,613
Speaker 3: a clue for you later in the hour and about

824
00:39:18,653 --> 00:39:22,013
Speaker 3: forty minutes time. So fantastic prize a trip to two

825
00:39:22,093 --> 00:39:24,413
Speaker 3: to the Tour de France. So keep listening and we

826
00:39:24,453 --> 00:39:26,573
Speaker 3: will have that for you shortly. But back to our

827
00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:28,013
Speaker 3: discussion about the polls.

828
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's going to be a lot this year because

829
00:39:29,573 --> 00:39:33,013
Speaker 2: the election year there were forty four major polls released

830
00:39:33,093 --> 00:39:35,813
Speaker 2: last year correct, So you know, there's only fifty two

831
00:39:35,813 --> 00:39:37,813
Speaker 2: weeks of the year and we're off for Christmas and such.

832
00:39:38,053 --> 00:39:40,252
Speaker 3: Yes, so that's pretty much one a week.

833
00:39:40,533 --> 00:39:42,413
Speaker 2: That's a lot of poles. But we had a poll

834
00:39:42,453 --> 00:39:47,493
Speaker 2: out yesterday that was an opt in online pole, and

835
00:39:48,653 --> 00:39:53,252
Speaker 2: those poles are not nearly as robust as a randomized pole.

836
00:39:53,413 --> 00:39:54,853
Speaker 2: You can't run a margin of era on it, but

837
00:39:54,853 --> 00:39:56,212
Speaker 2: a lot of people are texting in that they don't

838
00:39:56,253 --> 00:39:58,733
Speaker 2: understand the margin of era. So you'll get a poll

839
00:39:58,813 --> 00:40:00,453
Speaker 2: and it will say that the margin era of era

840
00:40:00,573 --> 00:40:04,133
Speaker 2: is plus or minus three percent, right, So that is

841
00:40:04,333 --> 00:40:09,293
Speaker 2: just that is just covering for natural variation because you

842
00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:13,813
Speaker 2: can't poll everyone. Yep. So if you have you're polling

843
00:40:13,813 --> 00:40:17,533
Speaker 2: one thousand people, it's normally one thousand people fifteen hundred people, right,

844
00:40:17,653 --> 00:40:21,093
Speaker 2: So you have you try and cover for the national

845
00:40:21,173 --> 00:40:23,773
Speaker 2: natural variation, and you have a bell curve, and at

846
00:40:23,773 --> 00:40:26,533
Speaker 2: the top of the bell curve would be what you

847
00:40:26,573 --> 00:40:28,293
Speaker 2: think would be the truth if you did well, you

848
00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:31,373
Speaker 2: know it be the center right, right, Okay, And so

849
00:40:32,573 --> 00:40:35,133
Speaker 2: when they talk about ninety for five percent of confidence, right,

850
00:40:35,173 --> 00:40:37,893
Speaker 2: that is taking the bell curve such that you take

851
00:40:38,013 --> 00:40:41,333
Speaker 2: two point five percent off each end. They do that

852
00:40:41,373 --> 00:40:44,733
Speaker 2: for whatever reason. It's kind of complicated why they have

853
00:40:44,853 --> 00:40:49,333
Speaker 2: ninety five percent confidence. But that's to get there, you've

854
00:40:49,333 --> 00:40:51,733
Speaker 2: got one point nine six standard deviations from the center

855
00:40:51,813 --> 00:40:53,933
Speaker 2: right right, And so that means that if you did

856
00:40:54,013 --> 00:40:56,093
Speaker 2: the poll, they believe that if you did the pole

857
00:40:56,133 --> 00:40:59,613
Speaker 2: a thousand times, for example, it would fall right in

858
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Speaker 2: the center. So you're you're off by a certain amount

859
00:41:03,493 --> 00:41:07,133
Speaker 2: just because you're only doing a thousand people, right, yep, gotcha, right.

860
00:41:07,213 --> 00:41:09,933
Speaker 2: So you know if someone says that it's you know,

861
00:41:09,973 --> 00:41:14,853
Speaker 2: if result comes aback forty two percent, then that could

862
00:41:14,853 --> 00:41:17,173
Speaker 2: be thirty nine percent, it could forty five percent, yes,

863
00:41:17,573 --> 00:41:20,253
Speaker 2: you know, if you did it over many poles. Right,

864
00:41:20,333 --> 00:41:23,093
Speaker 2: So that's what the margin of era is. And you

865
00:41:23,093 --> 00:41:25,053
Speaker 2: know people always say, well, why don't you do more?

866
00:41:25,293 --> 00:41:28,813
Speaker 2: But even two thousand doesn't actually make you that accurate.

867
00:41:29,573 --> 00:41:33,373
Speaker 2: It's complicated, but that's because there is a square route

868
00:41:33,373 --> 00:41:35,893
Speaker 2: in the equation, right, So you'd have to do four

869
00:41:35,933 --> 00:41:39,493
Speaker 2: thousand before you've got any significant lee more accurate result.

870
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Speaker 2: But the problem with all that is, and we've depended

871
00:41:42,533 --> 00:41:44,373
Speaker 2: on that standard area for a very long time, but

872
00:41:44,413 --> 00:41:46,493
Speaker 2: that's when we a lot of people had landlines a

873
00:41:46,533 --> 00:41:49,853
Speaker 2: lot of people were doing poles, so that margin of

874
00:41:49,853 --> 00:41:55,213
Speaker 2: era doesn't doesn't account for bad question wording, waiting mistakes,

875
00:41:56,693 --> 00:42:00,013
Speaker 2: non response bias, which is a huge one right now,

876
00:42:01,413 --> 00:42:05,973
Speaker 2: and late late swings basically or shry voters.

877
00:42:06,053 --> 00:42:08,293
Speaker 3: And that adds to the skepticism right that you're starting

878
00:42:08,373 --> 00:42:10,213
Speaker 3: to see in the general population. I think that is

879
00:42:10,253 --> 00:42:13,413
Speaker 3: a fair thing to say without any sort of scientific

880
00:42:13,493 --> 00:42:15,652
Speaker 3: gregabehind what I just said, but you can feel it.

881
00:42:15,733 --> 00:42:17,732
Speaker 3: There's a lot of skepticism out there with a number

882
00:42:17,773 --> 00:42:20,252
Speaker 3: of poles that you're get in and whether the credibility

883
00:42:20,253 --> 00:42:22,853
Speaker 3: of what they say is accurate to what the population

884
00:42:22,933 --> 00:42:23,613
Speaker 3: on average feels.

885
00:42:23,653 --> 00:42:25,653
Speaker 2: The non response by us is huge. You have to

886
00:42:25,693 --> 00:42:29,413
Speaker 2: wait for that so significantly because so few people will respond.

887
00:42:29,933 --> 00:42:33,253
Speaker 2: So the people that respond are a certain type of person.

888
00:42:33,333 --> 00:42:34,853
Speaker 2: They're demographic in.

889
00:42:34,813 --> 00:42:36,813
Speaker 3: Their own a specific subgroup.

890
00:42:37,293 --> 00:42:40,093
Speaker 2: Because I would never respond, and you would never respond. Now,

891
00:42:40,093 --> 00:42:42,732
Speaker 2: a lot of people that are texting wouldn't respond. Yeah.

892
00:42:42,773 --> 00:42:44,533
Speaker 2: We had one call of her ranger and she would.

893
00:42:44,293 --> 00:42:48,013
Speaker 3: Respond, Vornora is ready to go. She's ready to go yep.

894
00:42:48,133 --> 00:42:50,173
Speaker 3: So she's in that three percent. He would say yeah,

895
00:42:50,013 --> 00:42:51,293
Speaker 3: oh oh, answer receiver.

896
00:42:51,093 --> 00:42:54,652
Speaker 2: And her enthusiasm towards polling. Was seemed like an out

897
00:42:54,653 --> 00:42:55,973
Speaker 2: you describer as a unicorn.

898
00:42:56,493 --> 00:42:59,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean that I said unicorn because she

899
00:42:59,293 --> 00:43:02,173
Speaker 3: sounded like she was politically astute, but that was an assumption.

900
00:43:02,293 --> 00:43:03,773
Speaker 3: Maybe she's not. And there be a lot of people

901
00:43:03,773 --> 00:43:06,172
Speaker 3: out there, as you say, particularly with the IPSOS poll

902
00:43:06,253 --> 00:43:08,973
Speaker 3: where they incentivize and give you a out you they're

903
00:43:09,293 --> 00:43:12,533
Speaker 3: completing these surveys. That's even that's a subgroup of a subgroup.

904
00:43:12,813 --> 00:43:15,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, absolutely, And as I say, the margin EVA

905
00:43:15,093 --> 00:43:17,213
Speaker 2: has gotten absolutely nothing to do with that. And the

906
00:43:17,253 --> 00:43:19,413
Speaker 2: other thing that they have with those kind of online

907
00:43:19,453 --> 00:43:23,533
Speaker 2: polls is people care, not that how much they care

908
00:43:23,693 --> 00:43:26,093
Speaker 2: is very different. So they're just going through and just

909
00:43:26,173 --> 00:43:28,453
Speaker 2: answering these questions without really thinking about it to get

910
00:43:28,453 --> 00:43:31,413
Speaker 2: through yep, right, yeah. And also they've discovered with online poles,

911
00:43:31,413 --> 00:43:33,733
Speaker 2: people are much more likely just to write stupid answers.

912
00:43:34,253 --> 00:43:37,613
Speaker 2: I bet they did those great surveys and during COVID

913
00:43:37,653 --> 00:43:40,413
Speaker 2: about how people were dealing with COVID, and it came

914
00:43:40,453 --> 00:43:42,973
Speaker 2: back an alarming amount of people were drinking bleach to

915
00:43:43,013 --> 00:43:45,213
Speaker 2: deal with COVID, and then they just found out it

916
00:43:45,253 --> 00:43:47,373
Speaker 2: was actually a lot of people were coming up with

917
00:43:47,373 --> 00:43:47,853
Speaker 2: the same.

918
00:43:47,693 --> 00:43:50,692
Speaker 3: Troll high level trolling. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

919
00:43:50,733 --> 00:43:53,613
Speaker 3: eighties and a number to call get a Blair Hell,

920
00:43:53,653 --> 00:43:55,813
Speaker 3: I joy good. What are you reagon about the polls?

921
00:43:56,813 --> 00:43:58,053
Speaker 20: I think they're a bit of a waste of time.

922
00:43:58,093 --> 00:44:02,773
Speaker 20: If I'm honest, I think personality politics, right, if the

923
00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:08,053
Speaker 20: political party that is best for my situations, I should

924
00:44:08,053 --> 00:44:11,293
Speaker 20: beading for that particular party at that time. Likewise, you

925
00:44:11,293 --> 00:44:12,813
Speaker 20: should be voting for the one that's best for you.

926
00:44:13,453 --> 00:44:16,652
Speaker 20: I think if you're going off, look nationally at forty

927
00:44:16,693 --> 00:44:20,732
Speaker 20: eight percent, that's the popular vote popular. I think that's

928
00:44:20,733 --> 00:44:21,933
Speaker 20: where democracy goes wrong.

929
00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:24,613
Speaker 3: I agree with you, but that's just the nature of

930
00:44:24,653 --> 00:44:26,613
Speaker 3: the political system we've got, though, wasn't it player that

931
00:44:26,613 --> 00:44:28,733
Speaker 3: we've got the m MP system, and you look, some

932
00:44:28,813 --> 00:44:31,173
Speaker 3: people would look at those polls and see who's winning,

933
00:44:31,173 --> 00:44:33,293
Speaker 3: who's losing. How can they make up the numbers, who

934
00:44:33,293 --> 00:44:35,893
Speaker 3: can form a coalition, who can form a government, and

935
00:44:36,093 --> 00:44:38,813
Speaker 3: rightly or wrongly, they make their decision based on what

936
00:44:38,853 --> 00:44:41,333
Speaker 3: they assume is the way it's going to go.

937
00:44:42,653 --> 00:44:45,853
Speaker 20: They're fair, take, fair, take. I think again now, I

938
00:44:45,853 --> 00:44:48,493
Speaker 20: think it's to be and I guess towards the end

939
00:44:48,533 --> 00:44:51,133
Speaker 20: of the whole process. They start looking at policies a bit,

940
00:44:51,213 --> 00:44:54,653
Speaker 20: but poll on the policies might be a better option rather.

941
00:44:54,493 --> 00:44:56,933
Speaker 4: Than hopeful that's going again.

942
00:44:56,933 --> 00:44:58,293
Speaker 20: I think it's more people to actually look at the

943
00:44:58,293 --> 00:44:58,893
Speaker 20: policies than me.

944
00:44:59,533 --> 00:45:00,333
Speaker 1: Thanks young.

945
00:45:01,733 --> 00:45:04,773
Speaker 2: The problem with the the you know, polling on the

946
00:45:04,813 --> 00:45:09,693
Speaker 2: policies is then the question that you ask becomes huge important. Yeah,

947
00:45:09,973 --> 00:45:12,133
Speaker 2: there was another part of it as well as the

948
00:45:12,573 --> 00:45:18,093
Speaker 2: certain polling companies have certain reputations on their own right,

949
00:45:18,613 --> 00:45:21,573
Speaker 2: and so you get the situation where people kind of

950
00:45:21,573 --> 00:45:22,613
Speaker 2: give you what you want to hear.

951
00:45:22,773 --> 00:45:24,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, see that's where it can go wrong. And

952
00:45:24,853 --> 00:45:26,893
Speaker 3: it's the you know, how much education you've got on

953
00:45:26,933 --> 00:45:29,613
Speaker 3: the particular policy. But you remember last election and they're

954
00:45:29,613 --> 00:45:31,413
Speaker 3: going to do it again this election. Is they have

955
00:45:31,453 --> 00:45:34,253
Speaker 3: those websites and say, come on this website, answer a

956
00:45:34,253 --> 00:45:36,733
Speaker 3: bunch of questions and we'll tell you which way you

957
00:45:36,853 --> 00:45:40,692
Speaker 3: align politically, what a political party most aligns with how

958
00:45:40,733 --> 00:45:43,933
Speaker 3: you think. But it's massively skewed that some people in

959
00:45:43,933 --> 00:45:45,933
Speaker 3: my family did that. And one of the answers came,

960
00:45:45,933 --> 00:45:47,893
Speaker 3: I'm not going to name a particular party, but it

961
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:50,173
Speaker 3: said that party doesn't believe in climate change. It was

962
00:45:50,253 --> 00:45:52,893
Speaker 3: just nonsense. That party didn't believe in climate change, but

963
00:45:52,973 --> 00:45:55,213
Speaker 3: it was a way that they skewed that information. So

964
00:45:55,293 --> 00:45:57,093
Speaker 3: that person in the family looked at that and said,

965
00:45:57,093 --> 00:45:59,013
Speaker 3: I can never vote for that party. Yeah, until they

966
00:45:59,053 --> 00:46:01,053
Speaker 3: showed me and I say, well, actually, you know, here's

967
00:46:01,093 --> 00:46:03,293
Speaker 3: the policy. They do believe in climate change. So well,

968
00:46:03,293 --> 00:46:06,253
Speaker 3: how does that work? Because the survey's nonsense. It's how

969
00:46:06,253 --> 00:46:07,133
Speaker 3: they ask the question.

970
00:46:07,493 --> 00:46:10,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, just before the election, like a week out that

971
00:46:11,053 --> 00:46:15,973
Speaker 2: asks a random selection of New Zealanders which party you're

972
00:46:15,973 --> 00:46:19,293
Speaker 2: going to vote for? Then I think that that probably

973
00:46:19,333 --> 00:46:21,853
Speaker 2: has some meaning, depending on the waiting of it. And

974
00:46:21,893 --> 00:46:23,733
Speaker 2: then if you start adding poles, you get polls and

975
00:46:23,773 --> 00:46:26,453
Speaker 2: polls and polls and polls this far out I don't know,

976
00:46:26,853 --> 00:46:32,373
Speaker 2: and questions as you say about opinions when people haven't

977
00:46:32,413 --> 00:46:36,133
Speaker 2: really necessarily thought about it, and the question is liable

978
00:46:36,453 --> 00:46:38,213
Speaker 2: no matter how hard they try it not to be,

979
00:46:38,293 --> 00:46:40,373
Speaker 2: to be leading. I don't think that means much at all.

980
00:46:40,493 --> 00:46:43,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is fourteen past two. You're listening to Matt

981
00:46:43,813 --> 00:46:45,733
Speaker 3: and Tyler will be back very shortly.

982
00:46:47,253 --> 00:46:51,613
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons

983
00:46:51,613 --> 00:46:54,733
Speaker 1: Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty, News Talk said.

984
00:46:54,573 --> 00:46:59,293
Speaker 3: Be seventeen past two. So is poll fatigue political pole fatigue?

985
00:46:59,293 --> 00:47:00,093
Speaker 3: Sitting in for you?

986
00:47:00,293 --> 00:47:01,973
Speaker 2: The sex of David says, why don't we just ban

987
00:47:02,093 --> 00:47:04,973
Speaker 2: all polls and just everyone think for themselves. Wouldn't be

988
00:47:05,173 --> 00:47:08,333
Speaker 2: very free speechy to ban the polls. All I'm really

989
00:47:08,493 --> 00:47:11,533
Speaker 2: saying is that the methodology of the poll should be

990
00:47:11,693 --> 00:47:14,732
Speaker 2: the first thing that you hear after you hear there's

991
00:47:14,733 --> 00:47:17,453
Speaker 2: a pole. So if it's a poll and it's an

992
00:47:17,533 --> 00:47:20,853
Speaker 2: opt in online poll where people get vouchers for participating,

993
00:47:21,093 --> 00:47:24,133
Speaker 2: I think that's key information to hear before you hear

994
00:47:24,213 --> 00:47:27,093
Speaker 2: anything else, and so then you can wait, how much

995
00:47:27,173 --> 00:47:30,333
Speaker 2: you think the results of that poll are accurate on

996
00:47:30,453 --> 00:47:31,493
Speaker 2: based on that information?

997
00:47:31,733 --> 00:47:33,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. The hard part though, is,

998
00:47:33,973 --> 00:47:36,173
Speaker 3: and someone mentioned it before, about how the media runs

999
00:47:36,173 --> 00:47:38,853
Speaker 3: with it and then it becomes the political agenda and

1000
00:47:38,893 --> 00:47:41,053
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister gets asked about it based on a

1001
00:47:41,093 --> 00:47:44,773
Speaker 3: poll that methodology is opt in. You know, how do

1002
00:47:44,813 --> 00:47:48,093
Speaker 3: you stop that? Because that is arguably part of the

1003
00:47:48,093 --> 00:47:51,893
Speaker 3: media's role is to take the litmus test of what

1004
00:47:51,933 --> 00:47:54,533
Speaker 3: the public are thinking and take that to the politicians.

1005
00:47:54,773 --> 00:47:56,693
Speaker 3: But sometimes it's just nonsense.

1006
00:47:56,853 --> 00:47:59,693
Speaker 2: It's kind of the gamification of politics, isn't it, Because

1007
00:47:59,693 --> 00:48:02,133
Speaker 2: it's just numbers that you can talk about and you

1008
00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:04,013
Speaker 2: go this, and they won't be very happy with this,

1009
00:48:04,213 --> 00:48:06,373
Speaker 2: and blah bah. It reminds me of when I'm commentating

1010
00:48:06,413 --> 00:48:09,853
Speaker 2: cricket and there's a speed radar, ninety nine percent of

1011
00:48:09,893 --> 00:48:14,772
Speaker 2: my comments are about the speed of the delivery, right,

1012
00:48:15,013 --> 00:48:17,253
Speaker 2: And when there isn't a speed radar, there's no comments

1013
00:48:17,253 --> 00:48:19,093
Speaker 2: about it because it's just so easy to talk about

1014
00:48:19,093 --> 00:48:21,453
Speaker 2: how fast, the change of pace, all that kind of stuff.

1015
00:48:21,493 --> 00:48:23,493
Speaker 3: It's interesting it's right there because.

1016
00:48:23,213 --> 00:48:25,853
Speaker 2: It's it's a simple number that's given to you to

1017
00:48:25,893 --> 00:48:28,013
Speaker 2: talk about, so you start talking about it. And I

1018
00:48:28,053 --> 00:48:31,293
Speaker 2: think that worries me a little bit, and that politics

1019
00:48:31,293 --> 00:48:37,252
Speaker 2: become gamified as opposed to political commentary being about how

1020
00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:39,333
Speaker 2: well people have argued their point.

1021
00:48:39,733 --> 00:48:41,853
Speaker 3: I think that's very fair. Oh one hundred and eighty

1022
00:48:41,893 --> 00:48:43,453
Speaker 3: ten eighties a number to call get aden.

1023
00:48:44,893 --> 00:48:48,293
Speaker 21: Hey there, guys, look really good chat. And I had

1024
00:48:48,293 --> 00:48:50,453
Speaker 21: to put a call quick call in because one of

1025
00:48:50,493 --> 00:48:53,893
Speaker 21: your previous viewers I think, really nailed it when he

1026
00:48:53,973 --> 00:48:57,173
Speaker 21: talked about the power that the media have when it

1027
00:48:57,213 --> 00:48:59,933
Speaker 21: comes to the polls, you know, And I mean, I

1028
00:48:59,933 --> 00:49:04,093
Speaker 21: think a classic example that that power was a news

1029
00:49:04,133 --> 00:49:07,293
Speaker 21: article last night at the six o'clock News with Benedict

1030
00:49:07,933 --> 00:49:10,853
Speaker 21: Bendice Collins, just you know, sort of reporting on the

1031
00:49:11,133 --> 00:49:16,053
Speaker 21: forty nine thousand less crimes reported, you know, over the

1032
00:49:16,133 --> 00:49:20,693
Speaker 21: last two years versus the previous two years, and that

1033
00:49:20,693 --> 00:49:22,212
Speaker 21: that basically barely got a mention.

1034
00:49:22,373 --> 00:49:23,333
Speaker 13: Then he spent a whole.

1035
00:49:23,133 --> 00:49:25,893
Speaker 21: Lot of time and energy and other things and sort

1036
00:49:25,893 --> 00:49:31,013
Speaker 21: of show showing a government supposedly unraveling. And I think

1037
00:49:31,053 --> 00:49:36,413
Speaker 21: it was appalling reporting and apparently a tv NS and

1038
00:49:36,493 --> 00:49:41,413
Speaker 21: executive phone Mark Mitchell to actually apologize for the reporting.

1039
00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:44,172
Speaker 21: So I don't know if you've covered that or come

1040
00:49:44,213 --> 00:49:46,613
Speaker 21: across that, but I think.

1041
00:49:46,493 --> 00:49:48,253
Speaker 2: That was on our show that Mark Mittell broke the

1042
00:49:48,333 --> 00:49:52,093
Speaker 2: news that he that a RITIEV executive had called he

1043
00:49:52,133 --> 00:49:54,653
Speaker 2: was not happy. That was It was very strange reporting

1044
00:49:55,573 --> 00:49:58,253
Speaker 2: and I think he's been chased. But I mean that's

1045
00:49:58,293 --> 00:50:00,733
Speaker 2: slightly different than polling, so that as.

1046
00:50:00,813 --> 00:50:03,973
Speaker 14: Well, No, it's not well whether it's not different.

1047
00:50:03,853 --> 00:50:06,013
Speaker 2: Actually you're absolutely right because that was a minister's but

1048
00:50:06,093 --> 00:50:10,333
Speaker 2: that was a Ministry of Justice server on crime that

1049
00:50:10,413 --> 00:50:15,772
Speaker 2: was that came back with the forty nine thousand number. Dean. Yeah,

1050
00:50:15,813 --> 00:50:18,453
Speaker 2: so you're right, You're actually right. Yeah.

1051
00:50:18,493 --> 00:50:20,013
Speaker 21: And the other thing too is I mean, I would

1052
00:50:20,053 --> 00:50:22,573
Speaker 21: say to that and finishing that part of it, what

1053
00:50:22,653 --> 00:50:25,732
Speaker 21: about an apology to New Zealand tvn Z for such

1054
00:50:26,133 --> 00:50:29,373
Speaker 21: false supporting and the reporting is so closely linked to

1055
00:50:29,453 --> 00:50:32,293
Speaker 21: the polls because if you think about it, the minor

1056
00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:35,333
Speaker 21: parties get away with how they really do. I mean,

1057
00:50:35,413 --> 00:50:37,733
Speaker 21: you know, if you look at you know, Chloee Warbeck

1058
00:50:37,933 --> 00:50:40,893
Speaker 21: chraining in Parliament, you know, with a scarf on from

1059
00:50:40,893 --> 00:50:43,533
Speaker 21: the mountain to the sea, Palestine will be free. Well

1060
00:50:43,533 --> 00:50:48,013
Speaker 21: that's universally recognized globally as complete death to Israel. Now

1061
00:50:48,173 --> 00:50:52,293
Speaker 21: she's gone very quiet on that. Australia have actually outlawed

1062
00:50:52,333 --> 00:50:56,093
Speaker 21: it as a you know sort of you know, a

1063
00:50:56,173 --> 00:51:00,773
Speaker 21: chant that's been made illegal because of the damaging nature

1064
00:51:00,813 --> 00:51:01,093
Speaker 21: of it.

1065
00:51:01,373 --> 00:51:02,133
Speaker 14: Well, what I'm.

1066
00:51:02,093 --> 00:51:04,733
Speaker 21: Trying to say is that the minor parties get treated

1067
00:51:04,773 --> 00:51:08,093
Speaker 21: with kid gloves, right, and it changes the perception of

1068
00:51:08,133 --> 00:51:11,573
Speaker 21: the public's reality to what is actually happening out there.

1069
00:51:11,613 --> 00:51:15,053
Speaker 21: So therefore when they do do a poll, they are

1070
00:51:15,053 --> 00:51:18,053
Speaker 21: looking at it through roast and glasses because a lot

1071
00:51:18,053 --> 00:51:21,373
Speaker 21: of the minor parties do get away with murder, so

1072
00:51:21,573 --> 00:51:24,053
Speaker 21: it damages the veracity of the Poles.

1073
00:51:24,813 --> 00:51:28,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's no doubt that an MMP. We

1074
00:51:28,773 --> 00:51:31,093
Speaker 2: hear a lot about minor parties, Yes, we hear a

1075
00:51:31,133 --> 00:51:32,813
Speaker 2: lot about when a poll comes through. We hear a

1076
00:51:32,853 --> 00:51:35,732
Speaker 2: lot about how much a party on eight percent has

1077
00:51:36,013 --> 00:51:39,373
Speaker 2: moved up and down. When you actually start thinking about it,

1078
00:51:39,413 --> 00:51:41,693
Speaker 2: and if you lined up an entire room of people,

1079
00:51:42,453 --> 00:51:44,293
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred people, you do only find that's

1080
00:51:44,293 --> 00:51:46,333
Speaker 2: what a percentage is, eight of them that the Poles

1081
00:51:46,333 --> 00:51:50,213
Speaker 2: saying they voted for, and the amount of time that's spent.

1082
00:51:50,613 --> 00:51:54,133
Speaker 2: And that's because of MMP, right, because you know, Labor

1083
00:51:54,173 --> 00:51:56,692
Speaker 2: and National have to have coalition partners, right, Yeah, so

1084
00:51:56,973 --> 00:52:00,013
Speaker 2: the bigger parties have to pick these other parties. So

1085
00:52:00,013 --> 00:52:02,933
Speaker 2: that's actually where the movement comes. And as we've seen,

1086
00:52:03,453 --> 00:52:06,933
Speaker 2: it's hugely important when New Zealand first get over five percent.

1087
00:52:08,853 --> 00:52:10,893
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's a problem of MMP.

1088
00:52:11,173 --> 00:52:13,413
Speaker 3: Oh, it certainly is. Yeah, it's a system that's skewed

1089
00:52:13,933 --> 00:52:18,493
Speaker 3: to giving more media time to those who don't have

1090
00:52:18,533 --> 00:52:20,212
Speaker 3: the same level of the vote because they are part

1091
00:52:20,213 --> 00:52:22,613
Speaker 3: of forming the government, whatever that government may look like.

1092
00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:26,013
Speaker 2: And for further to Dean's points, sometimes because they're a

1093
00:52:26,013 --> 00:52:30,013
Speaker 2: minor party people don't take what they say so seriously

1094
00:52:30,293 --> 00:52:33,493
Speaker 2: and aren't as shocked by it, but at the same

1095
00:52:33,573 --> 00:52:36,373
Speaker 2: time giving them a huge amount of coverage when it

1096
00:52:36,373 --> 00:52:39,613
Speaker 2: comes to the poles because they are so important in

1097
00:52:39,653 --> 00:52:42,732
Speaker 2: deciding who the their next government is. So you have

1098
00:52:43,013 --> 00:52:45,533
Speaker 2: national labor maybe not saying things quite as intense and

1099
00:52:45,573 --> 00:52:46,853
Speaker 2: being held to a different standard.

1100
00:52:46,973 --> 00:52:50,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just on the media side of things, and

1101
00:52:50,253 --> 00:52:53,053
Speaker 3: I'm not completely defending media. I've got an important role there.

1102
00:52:53,533 --> 00:52:56,133
Speaker 3: But do you know sometimes the public have to take

1103
00:52:56,333 --> 00:52:57,813
Speaker 3: a share of the blame there as well. As you

1104
00:52:57,853 --> 00:52:59,693
Speaker 3: see the spikes when there's a political pole that is

1105
00:52:59,693 --> 00:53:04,773
Speaker 3: announced on TV or in other organizations, there is a

1106
00:53:05,013 --> 00:53:06,893
Speaker 3: boost in the number of people that click on that

1107
00:53:06,933 --> 00:53:09,652
Speaker 3: website or tune in. It's just the reality, right, So

1108
00:53:09,693 --> 00:53:12,613
Speaker 3: that's why the media utilizes it without perhaps as much

1109
00:53:12,653 --> 00:53:15,053
Speaker 3: scrutiny as they should give those boles. They look at

1110
00:53:15,093 --> 00:53:17,133
Speaker 3: it comes to their own box. Oh, it's got scientific

1111
00:53:17,173 --> 00:53:19,573
Speaker 3: methodology behind it. I don't really know what that means,

1112
00:53:19,573 --> 00:53:21,453
Speaker 3: but people will fizz on this, so let's get it

1113
00:53:21,493 --> 00:53:22,053
Speaker 3: front and center.

1114
00:53:22,173 --> 00:53:23,853
Speaker 2: It's the same thing as the ocr right, It's the

1115
00:53:24,173 --> 00:53:26,893
Speaker 2: number that we base all our chat on the economy

1116
00:53:26,933 --> 00:53:29,453
Speaker 2: about because it's number we understand. Yeah, right, So it's

1117
00:53:29,453 --> 00:53:32,493
Speaker 2: a very easy way to cut through what's happening in

1118
00:53:32,533 --> 00:53:34,973
Speaker 2: politics is just to be given a number. So this

1119
00:53:35,133 --> 00:53:38,693
Speaker 2: number has been found, and so that number cell tells

1120
00:53:38,733 --> 00:53:40,732
Speaker 2: you how well the party's doing.

1121
00:53:40,813 --> 00:53:42,413
Speaker 3: It's what, yeah exactly.

1122
00:53:42,533 --> 00:53:44,453
Speaker 2: It may not be true, but it feels like it

1123
00:53:44,493 --> 00:53:46,933
Speaker 2: is something. So so it generates interest.

1124
00:53:47,093 --> 00:53:47,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

1125
00:53:47,693 --> 00:53:50,533
Speaker 2: And whether that's a good bad thing, I don't know,

1126
00:53:51,053 --> 00:53:54,053
Speaker 2: but I think it is important to announce the methodology

1127
00:53:54,213 --> 00:53:55,333
Speaker 2: of how you got that number.

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00:53:55,493 --> 00:53:55,652
Speaker 8: Yep.

1129
00:53:55,773 --> 00:53:58,373
Speaker 2: You know, maybe the public shouldn't get so excited about it,

1130
00:53:58,773 --> 00:54:01,373
Speaker 2: and maybe it is the gamification of politics, but at

1131
00:54:01,413 --> 00:54:04,013
Speaker 2: the very least we should know how that number was reached.

1132
00:54:04,093 --> 00:54:06,053
Speaker 3: Yes, what do you say though, one hundred and eighty

1133
00:54:06,053 --> 00:54:07,933
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number of CAOL nine to ninety

1134
00:54:07,893 --> 00:54:09,813
Speaker 3: two is the text? It's twenty four past two.

1135
00:54:13,773 --> 00:54:17,173
Speaker 1: Matd Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1136
00:54:17,213 --> 00:54:19,373
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1137
00:54:19,373 --> 00:54:22,733
Speaker 3: Twenty seven, pass to Bruce Wats your thoughts on the poles.

1138
00:54:23,493 --> 00:54:25,693
Speaker 22: Yeah, Hi, guys, Well it's it's not so much the poles,

1139
00:54:25,733 --> 00:54:28,413
Speaker 22: it's the surveys we do a lot of surveys here,

1140
00:54:28,453 --> 00:54:31,773
Speaker 22: and I'm pretty sussed of them because when the survey

1141
00:54:31,853 --> 00:54:34,533
Speaker 22: results come out, they're sort of put on the news

1142
00:54:34,373 --> 00:54:37,853
Speaker 22: as the way that teeweis are thinking. And you know,

1143
00:54:37,853 --> 00:54:39,733
Speaker 22: a lot of the time they're done by sort of

1144
00:54:39,773 --> 00:54:41,973
Speaker 22: real estate people or finance or.

1145
00:54:44,053 --> 00:54:46,493
Speaker 3: Op store. There, Bruce, we just want to see there,

1146
00:54:46,493 --> 00:54:47,453
Speaker 3: carry on, carry on.

1147
00:54:49,013 --> 00:54:49,773
Speaker 22: It's never a.

1148
00:54:51,773 --> 00:54:52,133
Speaker 18: Bruce.

1149
00:54:52,493 --> 00:54:56,373
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, mate, your phone line is just not playing ball. Yeah.

1150
00:54:56,453 --> 00:54:59,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, and my mic wasn't on. It's a total breakdown.

1151
00:55:00,053 --> 00:55:02,333
Speaker 2: We'll try one more time, Bruce. Are you there still?

1152
00:55:02,973 --> 00:55:03,493
Speaker 4: Yeah? I am.

1153
00:55:03,533 --> 00:55:04,453
Speaker 22: Guys, sorry about that.

1154
00:55:04,693 --> 00:55:07,133
Speaker 3: That's much better now, Bruce, do you get I don't

1155
00:55:07,133 --> 00:55:07,453
Speaker 3: know if.

1156
00:55:07,333 --> 00:55:08,252
Speaker 16: You've got my bain point.

1157
00:55:08,413 --> 00:55:09,173
Speaker 4: I'm just the survey.

1158
00:55:09,373 --> 00:55:10,093
Speaker 22: We have a lot of.

1159
00:55:12,413 --> 00:55:15,813
Speaker 2: What a tease, Yeah, he's been taken down by big

1160
00:55:15,853 --> 00:55:17,613
Speaker 2: corporate survey. We can't get through. But I think what

1161
00:55:17,653 --> 00:55:20,172
Speaker 2: he's saying that often you'll hear a survey, but then

1162
00:55:20,253 --> 00:55:22,893
Speaker 2: if you scratch below the surface, you'll find out that

1163
00:55:22,893 --> 00:55:26,573
Speaker 2: that survey has been undertaken by a corporation as a

1164
00:55:26,613 --> 00:55:30,893
Speaker 2: branding exercise. Very often, and we often encounter that in

1165
00:55:30,893 --> 00:55:33,573
Speaker 2: this show. You know, we look at a survey and

1166
00:55:33,653 --> 00:55:36,053
Speaker 2: you go, oh, it's these people have done.

1167
00:55:35,933 --> 00:55:38,893
Speaker 3: It, run by this organization, this band called so you

1168
00:55:38,933 --> 00:55:42,453
Speaker 3: buy more insurance or whatever it may be. Yeah, yeah, or.

1169
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:46,013
Speaker 2: This product, yeah, you know, and it feels dirty to

1170
00:55:46,133 --> 00:55:46,453
Speaker 2: use them.

1171
00:55:46,533 --> 00:55:50,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely smart on Bruce, and sorry your phone line

1172
00:55:50,093 --> 00:55:52,773
Speaker 3: wasn't playing ball. Thank you to everybody who called and

1173
00:55:52,933 --> 00:55:55,413
Speaker 3: text on that. There was a great discussion about the polls.

1174
00:55:55,613 --> 00:55:59,813
Speaker 3: Rest assured there'll be plenty more poles as election year continues.

1175
00:55:59,853 --> 00:56:03,053
Speaker 3: To brace yourself for those as they continue to hit us.

1176
00:56:03,093 --> 00:56:04,933
Speaker 2: I thought there was a really good text before and

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00:56:04,973 --> 00:56:09,453
Speaker 2: it was saying Matt trying to describe how the margin

1178
00:56:09,453 --> 00:56:13,133
Speaker 2: of era works reminded me why I don't take drugs anymore.

1179
00:56:14,693 --> 00:56:17,413
Speaker 3: It is complex, very very complex, and maybe that's part

1180
00:56:17,453 --> 00:56:19,013
Speaker 3: of it. They're just try and bamboozle us.

1181
00:56:19,053 --> 00:56:19,252
Speaker 23: All.

1182
00:56:19,693 --> 00:56:22,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, great discussion, Thank you very much. Right coming up

1183
00:56:22,133 --> 00:56:24,373
Speaker 3: after the headlines one to chat about a British father

1184
00:56:24,413 --> 00:56:27,333
Speaker 3: and son duo cycling around the world. They say that

1185
00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:30,373
Speaker 3: during their seventeen days and more than one thy five

1186
00:56:30,453 --> 00:56:33,253
Speaker 3: hundred k's riding in New Zealand, they've encountered some of

1187
00:56:33,293 --> 00:56:37,413
Speaker 3: the most aggressive driver behavior they've ever seen across twenty

1188
00:56:37,493 --> 00:56:39,973
Speaker 3: four other countries. So what do you say? Are we

1189
00:56:40,133 --> 00:56:43,093
Speaker 3: terrible to cyclists on our roads or are a cyclist

1190
00:56:43,093 --> 00:56:43,933
Speaker 3: too entitled?

1191
00:56:44,133 --> 00:56:47,533
Speaker 2: There is a lot of anti cyclist rhetoric out there,

1192
00:56:47,573 --> 00:56:50,293
Speaker 2: there is, I've got to say, and I get on

1193
00:56:50,333 --> 00:56:51,573
Speaker 2: the two wheels every now and then.

1194
00:56:51,493 --> 00:56:53,573
Speaker 3: I tell you, yeah, nothing wrong with an old cycle.

1195
00:56:53,653 --> 00:56:55,373
Speaker 2: I take the Peddal Express sometimes.

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00:56:55,133 --> 00:56:56,933
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. See number

1197
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Speaker 3: of coour headlines coming up?

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to three,

1220
00:58:25,333 --> 00:58:28,573
Speaker 3: so British father and son. They've been cycling around New

1221
00:58:28,613 --> 00:58:31,733
Speaker 3: Zealand and during their seventeen days here and they're more

1222
00:58:31,733 --> 00:58:34,853
Speaker 3: than one thy five hundred k's that they've cycled. They

1223
00:58:34,893 --> 00:58:37,733
Speaker 3: say that they've encountered some of the most aggressive driver

1224
00:58:37,853 --> 00:58:41,213
Speaker 3: behavior they've ever seen. They've cycled in twenty four other countries,

1225
00:58:41,253 --> 00:58:43,733
Speaker 3: they say, and when they're in New Zealands they had

1226
00:58:43,813 --> 00:58:48,613
Speaker 3: daily abuse, close passes and even been given the middle

1227
00:58:48,653 --> 00:58:50,173
Speaker 3: finger despite the countries.

1228
00:58:50,213 --> 00:58:52,133
Speaker 2: I know, how do you come back from getting given

1229
00:58:52,173 --> 00:58:52,733
Speaker 2: the middle finger?

1230
00:58:52,773 --> 00:58:56,933
Speaker 3: They rama the trauma? Despite they say the country scenic beauty.

1231
00:58:57,013 --> 00:58:59,533
Speaker 3: We know we've got a beautiful little country here. But

1232
00:58:59,653 --> 00:59:01,733
Speaker 3: what have a chat to you? Are we terrible too

1233
00:59:01,893 --> 00:59:03,933
Speaker 3: cyclists on our roads? What do you say to this

1234
00:59:04,013 --> 00:59:07,333
Speaker 3: British father and son duo? Are we some of the

1235
00:59:07,373 --> 00:59:11,333
Speaker 3: most aggressive when it comes to people on their two wheelers?

1236
00:59:11,573 --> 00:59:16,973
Speaker 2: Okay, A couple of questions for these these cyclists. Were

1237
00:59:17,013 --> 00:59:19,253
Speaker 2: they there's two of them. Were they riding to a breast?

1238
00:59:20,013 --> 00:59:22,853
Speaker 3: It doesn't say in the story, but I'm gonna venture

1239
00:59:23,053 --> 00:59:24,493
Speaker 3: and say absolutely they.

1240
00:59:24,333 --> 00:59:27,453
Speaker 2: Were, because you can't be riding to a breast.

1241
00:59:27,493 --> 00:59:28,853
Speaker 3: No, I mean, let me just have a wee look

1242
00:59:28,893 --> 00:59:31,453
Speaker 3: at the photos here. Oh, well they're stopped, but that's

1243
00:59:31,453 --> 00:59:35,453
Speaker 3: definitely too a breast and they're quite unwieldly operations that

1244
00:59:35,573 --> 00:59:37,293
Speaker 3: got going on. I mean they stick to the rafters

1245
00:59:37,293 --> 00:59:37,933
Speaker 3: with all the gear.

1246
00:59:38,213 --> 00:59:40,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that's that. You can't blame them

1247
00:59:40,053 --> 00:59:42,373
Speaker 2: for being too a breast when they're off their bikes

1248
00:59:42,373 --> 00:59:43,893
Speaker 2: for a photograph.

1249
00:59:43,973 --> 00:59:46,613
Speaker 3: You can't. Oh there's single single lane here, But I'd

1250
00:59:46,653 --> 00:59:48,413
Speaker 3: say at some stage they would have gone to a breast.

1251
00:59:48,613 --> 00:59:51,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people do you know, we have a

1252
00:59:51,053 --> 00:59:53,173
Speaker 2: lot of windy roads as well, and you can get

1253
00:59:53,213 --> 00:59:54,693
Speaker 2: behind a cyclist.

1254
00:59:56,053 --> 00:59:56,253
Speaker 8: You know.

1255
00:59:56,373 --> 01:00:01,533
Speaker 2: Out between the cities, there's there's a lot of I

1256
01:00:01,573 --> 01:00:05,613
Speaker 2: guess contact points, not actual contact points hopefully, but points

1257
01:00:05,693 --> 01:00:09,693
Speaker 2: where cars have to drive differently to get round cyclists

1258
01:00:09,693 --> 01:00:11,413
Speaker 2: and stuff. It's a bit different than some places in

1259
01:00:11,453 --> 01:00:11,733
Speaker 2: the world.

1260
01:00:11,893 --> 01:00:12,133
Speaker 4: YEP.

1261
01:00:12,333 --> 01:00:13,693
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of that to it.

1262
01:00:13,813 --> 01:00:17,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man. I think also there's sort of an

1263
01:00:17,093 --> 01:00:21,293
Speaker 2: adversarial nature that's built up between bikers and cyclists because

1264
01:00:21,533 --> 01:00:24,333
Speaker 2: and I think it's a lot to do with cycle lanes,

1265
01:00:25,253 --> 01:00:27,773
Speaker 2: because people drive to work every day and they feel

1266
01:00:27,813 --> 01:00:29,813
Speaker 2: like their ability to drive their car to the work

1267
01:00:29,933 --> 01:00:32,373
Speaker 2: is being restricted and choked by the amount of cycle

1268
01:00:32,413 --> 01:00:34,493
Speaker 2: lanes that are going in yep. But I also think

1269
01:00:34,533 --> 01:00:39,573
Speaker 2: that part of the animosity towards cyclists comes from cyclists

1270
01:00:39,573 --> 01:00:41,693
Speaker 2: not knowing how to cycle on the road with cars.

1271
01:00:42,173 --> 01:00:44,693
Speaker 2: I think, especially in the big cities, you can become

1272
01:00:44,973 --> 01:00:47,493
Speaker 2: you know, like how the the Kei we lost its

1273
01:00:47,533 --> 01:00:50,813
Speaker 2: wings because there was no natural predators, so I decided

1274
01:00:50,813 --> 01:00:52,013
Speaker 2: to just stop flying, right.

1275
01:00:52,333 --> 01:00:54,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like this analogy so far. Yeah, this is good.

1276
01:00:54,733 --> 01:00:56,693
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of cyclists just get used

1277
01:00:56,693 --> 01:01:00,333
Speaker 2: to being cycle lanes and they don't really understand how

1278
01:01:00,373 --> 01:01:03,253
Speaker 2: to ride on the road. Because you know, when I

1279
01:01:03,293 --> 01:01:05,133
Speaker 2: was growing up, I used to ride to school every

1280
01:01:05,173 --> 01:01:08,733
Speaker 2: day and it was always on the road, big long

1281
01:01:08,813 --> 01:01:13,453
Speaker 2: ride to my to my school, and you know, there

1282
01:01:13,493 --> 01:01:15,933
Speaker 2: was there weren't any cycle lanes and and you know

1283
01:01:15,973 --> 01:01:19,333
Speaker 2: the outskirts of Dunedin back then, and so I learned

1284
01:01:19,333 --> 01:01:22,053
Speaker 2: to ride on the road to not get in anyone's way, yep.

1285
01:01:22,573 --> 01:01:24,213
Speaker 2: And and I think there's a bit of that, I

1286
01:01:24,213 --> 01:01:27,853
Speaker 2: think now and nowadays, because I sometimes ride my bike

1287
01:01:27,853 --> 01:01:30,133
Speaker 2: around and I feel like when I get spewed out

1288
01:01:30,133 --> 01:01:33,813
Speaker 2: of a cycle lane, I'm just used to be having

1289
01:01:33,813 --> 01:01:35,813
Speaker 2: my own way, and I get a little bit confused,

1290
01:01:36,733 --> 01:01:36,933
Speaker 2: you know.

1291
01:01:37,093 --> 01:01:39,533
Speaker 3: I think that is you used to having all that space. Yeah,

1292
01:01:39,573 --> 01:01:41,253
Speaker 3: and you can you can fang it as fast as

1293
01:01:41,293 --> 01:01:43,333
Speaker 3: you want down the cycle ways, and then you get

1294
01:01:43,333 --> 01:01:45,733
Speaker 3: into what can be some pretty hiery traffic yeah, and

1295
01:01:45,733 --> 01:01:47,573
Speaker 3: you think, Okay, how am I going to PreTect myself

1296
01:01:47,573 --> 01:01:48,653
Speaker 3: in this this area?

1297
01:01:48,893 --> 01:01:52,093
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. And so so I think going back before

1298
01:01:52,093 --> 01:01:55,693
Speaker 2: there were cycle lanes, cyclists knew that they had to

1299
01:01:56,453 --> 01:01:58,693
Speaker 2: stay to the left, that they had to look after

1300
01:01:58,773 --> 01:02:02,253
Speaker 2: themselves and they had to scan for car doors coming over,

1301
01:02:02,373 --> 01:02:04,093
Speaker 2: but they had to just try and stay out of

1302
01:02:04,093 --> 01:02:06,973
Speaker 2: the way of other of cars. Really, you know, there

1303
01:02:06,973 --> 01:02:08,533
Speaker 2: was ways you do it. You wouldn't fing in the

1304
01:02:08,573 --> 01:02:09,173
Speaker 2: middle of the road.

1305
01:02:09,613 --> 01:02:14,013
Speaker 3: Do you think in general there is a seeping entitlement

1306
01:02:14,093 --> 01:02:16,693
Speaker 3: for many people on cycles on the road. Not everybody,

1307
01:02:16,973 --> 01:02:19,973
Speaker 3: but I just say this is I like to give

1308
01:02:20,013 --> 01:02:21,853
Speaker 3: as much space as I can to cyclist, of course,

1309
01:02:21,853 --> 01:02:23,093
Speaker 3: because the last thing you want to do is hit

1310
01:02:23,133 --> 01:02:26,013
Speaker 3: a cyclist and get into that scenario. But generally I

1311
01:02:26,133 --> 01:02:27,733
Speaker 3: like to cycle as well, so when I go past

1312
01:02:27,733 --> 01:02:30,253
Speaker 3: the cyclist, give them plenty of room. But there's been

1313
01:02:30,293 --> 01:02:32,813
Speaker 3: plenty of occasions where I've been on a narrow street

1314
01:02:32,813 --> 01:02:34,613
Speaker 3: and there's plenty of room to the left, but for

1315
01:02:34,653 --> 01:02:38,973
Speaker 3: whatever reason, that cyclist in Lycra on a Sunday ride

1316
01:02:39,253 --> 01:02:41,333
Speaker 3: and I've got no business being in micro should say,

1317
01:02:41,413 --> 01:02:43,493
Speaker 3: but they are in like Crah and they just refuse

1318
01:02:43,573 --> 01:02:45,973
Speaker 3: to go left. There is room there, and I'll sit

1319
01:02:46,093 --> 01:02:48,613
Speaker 3: very patiently behind and try not to get angry. But

1320
01:02:48,653 --> 01:02:52,173
Speaker 3: in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, you entitled jerk.

1321
01:02:52,813 --> 01:02:54,533
Speaker 2: I think there is a bat because I think there

1322
01:02:54,613 --> 01:02:57,653
Speaker 2: is also we have incredibly angry cyclists in our country

1323
01:02:58,093 --> 01:03:00,133
Speaker 2: as well. We may have angry drivers. I just think

1324
01:03:00,173 --> 01:03:02,573
Speaker 2: there's a lot of animosity. I think both sides have

1325
01:03:02,613 --> 01:03:05,333
Speaker 2: been pumped up against each other. And I think there's

1326
01:03:05,373 --> 01:03:07,813
Speaker 2: a higher than zero number of cyclists that think they're

1327
01:03:07,853 --> 01:03:10,093
Speaker 2: better than cars and that they think they have more

1328
01:03:10,133 --> 01:03:12,133
Speaker 2: right to the road than cars because they're doing the

1329
01:03:12,173 --> 01:03:15,693
Speaker 2: right thing for the CLIMATEEP and as that is manifested

1330
01:03:15,773 --> 01:03:18,573
Speaker 2: in those absolute wounders that wear the one less car

1331
01:03:18,573 --> 01:03:24,213
Speaker 2: on the road reflective you know, slight backpack things.

1332
01:03:24,213 --> 01:03:25,493
Speaker 3: That's a high level of smugness.

1333
01:03:25,493 --> 01:03:28,293
Speaker 2: That's a high level of driving around just aggravating and

1334
01:03:28,333 --> 01:03:30,853
Speaker 2: insulting and judging every single person behind you.

1335
01:03:30,973 --> 01:03:32,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what do you say though, oh one hundred

1336
01:03:33,013 --> 01:03:36,413
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty she your story? If you're a cyclist

1337
01:03:36,413 --> 01:03:40,093
Speaker 3: on our road? Is a level of aggression extreme? Or

1338
01:03:40,293 --> 01:03:41,773
Speaker 3: on the flip side of it, do you think there

1339
01:03:41,813 --> 01:03:45,093
Speaker 3: are some cyclists and drivers out there with an immense

1340
01:03:45,093 --> 01:03:45,973
Speaker 3: sense of entitlements?

1341
01:03:45,973 --> 01:03:47,453
Speaker 2: The stick says how they boys love to show. It's

1342
01:03:47,493 --> 01:03:49,413
Speaker 2: a cop out to say that these guys must have

1343
01:03:49,533 --> 01:03:52,853
Speaker 2: been too abreast. There are dickheads on both sides zealots

1344
01:03:52,893 --> 01:03:57,493
Speaker 2: with judgy backpacks and flogs and ranges flogs.

1345
01:03:58,813 --> 01:04:00,973
Speaker 3: I don't know whethery that for a while. Flog? What

1346
01:04:01,053 --> 01:04:04,253
Speaker 3: is a flog or your flog? I think it's like dickhead, Yeah.

1347
01:04:04,093 --> 01:04:05,653
Speaker 2: Your flog. I've never heard someone called a flog.

1348
01:04:05,853 --> 01:04:06,973
Speaker 3: I'll look that up log.

1349
01:04:07,933 --> 01:04:09,613
Speaker 2: I mean if if it's a really, really offensive, maybe

1350
01:04:09,613 --> 01:04:12,013
Speaker 2: I shouldn't read it out. I don't know. I've been

1351
01:04:12,093 --> 01:04:14,053
Speaker 2: riding bikes for thirty years all around the world. I'm

1352
01:04:14,093 --> 01:04:15,853
Speaker 2: only forty two. Well, good on you. I'm not a

1353
01:04:15,893 --> 01:04:18,013
Speaker 2: GREENI er a cycle nudder. But it doesn't matter what

1354
01:04:18,093 --> 01:04:21,413
Speaker 2: you do, you'll be abused here. Wow. You can be

1355
01:04:21,453 --> 01:04:23,533
Speaker 2: as far left as possible in riding by yourself and

1356
01:04:23,573 --> 01:04:27,893
Speaker 2: you'll cop an earfull or close passes by absolute wounders.

1357
01:04:28,093 --> 01:04:28,613
Speaker 2: Great texts.

1358
01:04:28,693 --> 01:04:31,373
Speaker 3: Thank you, brilliant. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1359
01:04:31,373 --> 01:04:33,893
Speaker 3: the number to call share your story. What is it

1360
01:04:34,013 --> 01:04:35,773
Speaker 3: like on the roads if you're a cyclist and if

1361
01:04:35,813 --> 01:04:38,493
Speaker 3: you're a driver, How angry do you get at some

1362
01:04:38,493 --> 01:04:40,173
Speaker 3: of the entitlements you may or may not see?

1363
01:04:40,253 --> 01:04:41,813
Speaker 2: If you are angry at cyclists?

1364
01:04:41,933 --> 01:04:45,813
Speaker 3: Why twenty one to three have a chad with Matt

1365
01:04:45,853 --> 01:04:48,413
Speaker 3: and Tyler on oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Matt

1366
01:04:48,453 --> 01:04:52,413
Speaker 3: Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons with Skoda can you crank the scoder?

1367
01:04:52,453 --> 01:04:55,853
Speaker 3: Code us dog z'b afternoons. So a British father and

1368
01:04:55,893 --> 01:04:58,053
Speaker 3: son are been cycling the length of New Zealand's here

1369
01:04:58,133 --> 01:05:00,573
Speaker 3: is New Zealand drivers are some of the most aggressive

1370
01:05:00,613 --> 01:05:02,173
Speaker 3: they've ever come across? Are they rights?

1371
01:05:02,613 --> 01:05:05,093
Speaker 2: And I have found what a flogger is? And yeah,

1372
01:05:05,133 --> 01:05:07,693
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have read that out now. These two cyclists

1373
01:05:07,693 --> 01:05:11,733
Speaker 2: have traveled the world. Any photos I saw of them

1374
01:05:11,773 --> 01:05:14,333
Speaker 2: with a single file and a distance between them, I

1375
01:05:14,333 --> 01:05:18,053
Speaker 2: believe the comments sadly were warranted. Okay, So I feel like,

1376
01:05:18,173 --> 01:05:20,533
Speaker 2: and there's a couple of texts on this, I feel

1377
01:05:20,573 --> 01:05:23,933
Speaker 2: like these two cyclists have traveled the world. Anythingto Oh,

1378
01:05:23,933 --> 01:05:26,933
Speaker 2: I know there's another one, another few coming through here. Anyway,

1379
01:05:26,933 --> 01:05:32,053
Speaker 2: I feel like I've unfairly branded them as two abreast

1380
01:05:32,133 --> 01:05:34,613
Speaker 2: cyclists yeap, because if you're cycling to a breast and

1381
01:05:34,693 --> 01:05:37,733
Speaker 2: then you're causing problems on the roads, yep, So let's

1382
01:05:37,733 --> 01:05:38,333
Speaker 2: walk that back.

1383
01:05:38,413 --> 01:05:39,493
Speaker 3: They're not double breasters.

1384
01:05:39,533 --> 01:05:42,573
Speaker 2: I think the I think these cyclists were writing one

1385
01:05:42,573 --> 01:05:43,573
Speaker 2: abreast Okay, yep.

1386
01:05:43,613 --> 01:05:44,373
Speaker 3: Good to clarify.

1387
01:05:44,693 --> 01:05:46,733
Speaker 2: So that was unfair of me to assume that I

1388
01:05:46,773 --> 01:05:47,933
Speaker 2: feel bad and I apologize.

1389
01:05:47,973 --> 01:05:49,733
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1390
01:05:49,773 --> 01:05:51,013
Speaker 3: of calls Yer Story.

1391
01:05:50,853 --> 01:05:53,133
Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler. I think their portrait was more likely

1392
01:05:53,173 --> 01:05:55,333
Speaker 2: related to them being English rather than cyclists. Oh so

1393
01:05:55,373 --> 01:05:58,613
Speaker 2: our drivers are racist, right, that's interesting, Robert.

1394
01:05:59,813 --> 01:06:00,333
Speaker 13: Yeah, good day.

1395
01:06:00,413 --> 01:06:01,613
Speaker 3: How are you God?

1396
01:06:02,533 --> 01:06:02,693
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1397
01:06:02,733 --> 01:06:05,493
Speaker 13: So I've been a cyclist for about four thirty years,

1398
01:06:05,853 --> 01:06:09,413
Speaker 13: probably longer. I'll come to work three or four days

1399
01:06:09,453 --> 01:06:13,573
Speaker 13: a week from Paramatta to Wellington. I also write on

1400
01:06:13,573 --> 01:06:15,693
Speaker 13: the weekend with a group, and I've done a whole

1401
01:06:15,733 --> 01:06:18,893
Speaker 13: bit of international tours. And it's always difficult, you know,

1402
01:06:18,973 --> 01:06:22,333
Speaker 13: when you're riding on the road and you're riding with cars,

1403
01:06:22,333 --> 01:06:25,733
Speaker 13: because you got to remember, if there's no cycle paths,

1404
01:06:26,093 --> 01:06:29,413
Speaker 13: you're riding on the road and there's glass, there's nails,

1405
01:06:29,533 --> 01:06:32,613
Speaker 13: there's there's rocks. So sometimes you have to go a

1406
01:06:32,653 --> 01:06:35,013
Speaker 13: little bit to the right into where the traffic are,

1407
01:06:35,053 --> 01:06:37,453
Speaker 13: and of course traffic comes across, and then people get

1408
01:06:37,453 --> 01:06:39,173
Speaker 13: annoyed and they give you the fingers or they yell

1409
01:06:39,213 --> 01:06:41,933
Speaker 13: at you. Then we go into the into the road

1410
01:06:41,973 --> 01:06:44,453
Speaker 13: again and it's and it's fine. So the roads here

1411
01:06:44,493 --> 01:06:46,653
Speaker 13: and then and are not very good. I've written all

1412
01:06:46,693 --> 01:06:48,053
Speaker 13: over the world.

1413
01:06:48,253 --> 01:06:49,293
Speaker 7: In the UK and.

1414
01:06:51,093 --> 01:06:56,893
Speaker 13: Germany, Austria, Belgium, and the roads are fantastic, absoltally fantastic.

1415
01:06:56,973 --> 01:06:59,293
Speaker 13: And the and the and the side and the traffic

1416
01:06:59,813 --> 01:07:02,333
Speaker 13: they weigh at you, they give you the thumbs up.

1417
01:07:02,373 --> 01:07:04,493
Speaker 13: I don't know why here in New Zealand people get

1418
01:07:04,533 --> 01:07:08,893
Speaker 13: angry up roaders now on the weekend. On the weekend

1419
01:07:08,933 --> 01:07:11,613
Speaker 13: when we're riding in Peloton, it's always hard because you know,

1420
01:07:11,613 --> 01:07:13,453
Speaker 13: there's a group of us that go out every Saturday.

1421
01:07:13,893 --> 01:07:16,933
Speaker 13: They call the mana silver Tops and there's a good

1422
01:07:17,013 --> 01:07:20,533
Speaker 13: name because we're a bunch of wold blaggers. You know,

1423
01:07:20,573 --> 01:07:24,133
Speaker 13: we're riding forever in this fifteen of us. So sometimes

1424
01:07:24,133 --> 01:07:26,133
Speaker 13: you know, we're having a chat on the road and

1425
01:07:26,413 --> 01:07:28,813
Speaker 13: we're trying, you know, be two abreast to one abreast.

1426
01:07:29,293 --> 01:07:31,373
Speaker 13: But it's always quite difficult as well to go wan

1427
01:07:31,453 --> 01:07:35,293
Speaker 13: abreast when there's quite tricky roads, you know around Padamata

1428
01:07:35,493 --> 01:07:37,373
Speaker 13: or when you go to other that tricky roads with

1429
01:07:37,413 --> 01:07:39,333
Speaker 13: a lot of glass, so you try and move away

1430
01:07:39,333 --> 01:07:42,013
Speaker 13: from it, and that causes issues with the traffic. And

1431
01:07:42,093 --> 01:07:45,293
Speaker 13: I think what's happening at the moment with the cycle pathways,

1432
01:07:45,533 --> 01:07:48,653
Speaker 13: that's fantastic. You know, you're away from the traffic, it's clear,

1433
01:07:49,053 --> 01:07:52,533
Speaker 13: it's clean, and there's least potential accidents.

1434
01:07:53,413 --> 01:07:56,093
Speaker 2: Do you think though, that those cycle lanes are part

1435
01:07:56,133 --> 01:08:01,013
Speaker 2: of the animosity from drivers because they feel like their roads,

1436
01:08:01,053 --> 01:08:02,573
Speaker 2: you know, they drive along and they feel like a

1437
01:08:02,653 --> 01:08:05,493
Speaker 2: road that was wider is now incredibly narrow. Especially that

1438
01:08:05,533 --> 01:08:08,053
Speaker 2: when you see those really, I mean, I'm thinking down

1439
01:08:08,053 --> 01:08:10,893
Speaker 2: a port chip at the moment, there have these we're

1440
01:08:10,933 --> 01:08:13,333
Speaker 2: wanting for looking for a bit of term but palatial

1441
01:08:14,253 --> 01:08:16,572
Speaker 2: cycle lanes, and then you end up with a very

1442
01:08:16,693 --> 01:08:20,093
Speaker 2: narrow lane for the cars. So you think that whilst

1443
01:08:20,093 --> 01:08:23,692
Speaker 2: the cyclelone has been fantastic for cyclers, they are kind

1444
01:08:23,853 --> 01:08:25,732
Speaker 2: of a middle finger to drivers.

1445
01:08:26,652 --> 01:08:27,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.

1446
01:08:27,372 --> 01:08:29,253
Speaker 13: It's I'm a driver as well. You know sometimes when

1447
01:08:29,253 --> 01:08:31,093
Speaker 13: I do drive the car and I go, well, look

1448
01:08:31,093 --> 01:08:33,572
Speaker 13: at a cycle lane, so big a little root for

1449
01:08:33,612 --> 01:08:36,452
Speaker 13: the car, you know. So I play in both worlds

1450
01:08:36,452 --> 01:08:39,093
Speaker 13: and I understand that, you know, but the cycle ways

1451
01:08:39,093 --> 01:08:41,652
Speaker 13: are also quite dangerous because we have now what we have.

1452
01:08:42,053 --> 01:08:45,452
Speaker 13: If you get into another perspective, you have electric bikes

1453
01:08:45,452 --> 01:08:48,452
Speaker 13: coming in and you have analog bikes, and some of

1454
01:08:48,452 --> 01:08:50,772
Speaker 13: these electric bikes do in forty to fifty ks an

1455
01:08:50,772 --> 01:08:55,133
Speaker 13: hour on a on a on a pass where a

1456
01:08:55,133 --> 01:08:58,212
Speaker 13: traffic with this traffic coming out, that is really really dangerous.

1457
01:08:58,213 --> 01:09:01,812
Speaker 13: So even within the cycling sort of environment, you're going

1458
01:09:01,893 --> 01:09:05,772
Speaker 13: to get the harmony between cyclers because because of the

1459
01:09:06,213 --> 01:09:08,333
Speaker 13: difference between electric bikes and our loog bikes.

1460
01:09:08,612 --> 01:09:11,093
Speaker 2: Do you know what I find as well? Do you

1461
01:09:11,133 --> 01:09:13,412
Speaker 2: know I find Robert because I ride a bike around,

1462
01:09:14,333 --> 01:09:18,093
Speaker 2: you know, and i'm cycle lanes quite a lot. Even

1463
01:09:18,133 --> 01:09:19,933
Speaker 2: though I'm like, you're so resent them when I'm in

1464
01:09:19,933 --> 01:09:22,452
Speaker 2: the car. I love them when i'm on them, resent

1465
01:09:22,452 --> 01:09:24,452
Speaker 2: them when I'm in the car. But you come around

1466
01:09:24,452 --> 01:09:26,652
Speaker 2: a corner and someone will have just dumped a Lime

1467
01:09:26,732 --> 01:09:29,492
Speaker 2: scooter or one of those hired scooters right across the

1468
01:09:29,572 --> 01:09:33,133
Speaker 2: middle of the lane. That that is perilous, that that

1469
01:09:33,253 --> 01:09:35,652
Speaker 2: kind of situation. And you know a number of times

1470
01:09:35,692 --> 01:09:37,412
Speaker 2: I've gotten off and moved it to the side, but

1471
01:09:37,452 --> 01:09:39,692
Speaker 2: it's often not really a good place to put it.

1472
01:09:40,133 --> 01:09:42,652
Speaker 2: I just think, who is the person that would just

1473
01:09:42,772 --> 01:09:44,732
Speaker 2: get off one of those scooters and dump them right

1474
01:09:44,732 --> 01:09:45,173
Speaker 2: in the middle of.

1475
01:09:45,173 --> 01:09:46,852
Speaker 3: A cycle lane? Dirty?

1476
01:09:47,973 --> 01:09:50,013
Speaker 13: Yeah, I agree, And it's tricky, you know, I mean

1477
01:09:50,452 --> 01:09:52,852
Speaker 13: commuting to work. When you get into the into Wellington,

1478
01:09:52,933 --> 01:09:54,772
Speaker 13: you know, just be found and on a gorge. It's

1479
01:09:54,772 --> 01:09:58,452
Speaker 13: a beautiful cycle pathword, but there's the scooters, there's rocks,

1480
01:09:58,492 --> 01:10:02,572
Speaker 13: there's people walking electric bikes, analog bikes, and it's quite

1481
01:10:02,572 --> 01:10:04,932
Speaker 13: confident in that car is coming out from businesses as well,

1482
01:10:05,013 --> 01:10:08,293
Speaker 13: so you have to really really be alert. And luckily

1483
01:10:08,452 --> 01:10:10,972
Speaker 13: in the last seating years they've only been knocked off twice,

1484
01:10:11,532 --> 01:10:14,572
Speaker 13: but there haven't been major accidents. But you know, goods

1485
01:10:14,572 --> 01:10:16,372
Speaker 13: you're thinking about. You know, you have to be really

1486
01:10:16,412 --> 01:10:19,293
Speaker 13: really defensive when you're on the bike as in the car.

1487
01:10:19,333 --> 01:10:20,492
Speaker 13: You know, you have to take it to shave.

1488
01:10:20,532 --> 01:10:22,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's part of it though, because you're

1489
01:10:22,213 --> 01:10:24,213
Speaker 2: on the bike though, you are going to come off

1490
01:10:24,293 --> 01:10:26,732
Speaker 2: second best right, and so one of the most the

1491
01:10:26,772 --> 01:10:29,692
Speaker 2: difficult thing for bikes when they're on the road is

1492
01:10:29,772 --> 01:10:31,932
Speaker 2: staying left. But then you've got people that just swing

1493
01:10:31,973 --> 01:10:34,892
Speaker 2: a car door open, so you've got to be constantly

1494
01:10:34,933 --> 01:10:38,213
Speaker 2: aware that at any point you could get clotheslined by

1495
01:10:38,213 --> 01:10:40,253
Speaker 2: a car coming over. And then you're not really in

1496
01:10:40,253 --> 01:10:42,412
Speaker 2: a position where you can swerve to the right because

1497
01:10:42,452 --> 01:10:45,253
Speaker 2: you know you might get by a car. So when

1498
01:10:45,253 --> 01:10:47,372
Speaker 2: you're going hard left, just got to be scanning all

1499
01:10:47,372 --> 01:10:47,692
Speaker 2: the time.

1500
01:10:48,492 --> 01:10:52,252
Speaker 13: You're totally scanning all the time, been aware of the environment,

1501
01:10:52,692 --> 01:10:54,652
Speaker 13: been aware what's in front side was and put some

1502
01:10:54,692 --> 01:10:57,933
Speaker 13: people Now, you know, the core cyclis are riding with

1503
01:10:57,973 --> 01:10:59,812
Speaker 13: a little mirror coming off the helmet so they can

1504
01:10:59,853 --> 01:11:02,412
Speaker 13: see what's behind. So yeah, you have to be really

1505
01:11:02,412 --> 01:11:05,852
Speaker 13: alert and you say, you know, you come off the bike,

1506
01:11:06,253 --> 01:11:08,013
Speaker 13: it's your body on the line. We're not wearing any

1507
01:11:08,013 --> 01:11:10,852
Speaker 13: pridict the gear like a motorbike. We're doing sometimes forty

1508
01:11:10,893 --> 01:11:13,772
Speaker 13: to fifty k is an hour in a full peloton

1509
01:11:13,853 --> 01:11:16,053
Speaker 13: on the on the motorway. We're going fast. And then

1510
01:11:16,093 --> 01:11:17,772
Speaker 13: you got an experience and piece of good And some

1511
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Speaker 13: of these are some of these bikes that were riding now,

1512
01:11:19,973 --> 01:11:22,253
Speaker 13: the carbon bikes that worth ten fifteen grand. You know,

1513
01:11:22,492 --> 01:11:24,973
Speaker 13: you dropped the bike and you drop yourself. You're in

1514
01:11:25,093 --> 01:11:26,412
Speaker 13: a lot of where all of pain.

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01:11:26,812 --> 01:11:29,612
Speaker 2: Absolutely. My dad gave me a bike recently because he

1516
01:11:30,053 --> 01:11:32,172
Speaker 2: decided he was too old to ride a bike anymore.

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01:11:32,173 --> 01:11:33,213
Speaker 2: So he gave it to me and it had a

1518
01:11:33,213 --> 01:11:35,812
Speaker 2: little mirror, yep, And I took it off because I

1519
01:11:35,812 --> 01:11:38,173
Speaker 2: thought it was uncole and he's amateur.

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01:11:38,772 --> 01:11:40,492
Speaker 3: Put a back eye. I thought the same thing, and

1521
01:11:40,612 --> 01:11:42,572
Speaker 3: someone tried to get me to put a wie wing miror.

1522
01:11:42,612 --> 01:11:45,293
Speaker 3: I'm not putting a wing mirror on, but meh, game changer,

1523
01:11:45,532 --> 01:11:46,173
Speaker 3: game changer.

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01:11:48,652 --> 01:11:50,253
Speaker 2: I was like, Dad, that is uncall.

1525
01:11:50,372 --> 01:11:50,892
Speaker 3: It's too far.

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01:11:51,013 --> 01:11:55,652
Speaker 2: It was like, it's liked rather break a leg. Yeah, hey,

1527
01:11:55,692 --> 01:11:58,492
Speaker 2: but I'm Robert. How you know you said that you've

1528
01:11:58,532 --> 01:12:00,412
Speaker 2: you know, you've ridden around a lot of other countries.

1529
01:12:00,532 --> 01:12:02,973
Speaker 2: You're listening off Germany, Spain and stuff. How is it?

1530
01:12:03,532 --> 01:12:05,492
Speaker 2: How is it? And you know these English tourists have

1531
01:12:05,572 --> 01:12:07,213
Speaker 2: done as well. How is it as a way to

1532
01:12:07,213 --> 01:12:09,053
Speaker 2: see a country by bike?

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01:12:09,093 --> 01:12:11,772
Speaker 13: It's amazing, It's amazing you have to see a country,

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01:12:11,853 --> 01:12:16,652
Speaker 13: you know. Yeah, you get away into nature. You're much

1535
01:12:16,652 --> 01:12:19,652
Speaker 13: more observant, always going around you in the environment. Yeah,

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01:12:19,732 --> 01:12:23,173
Speaker 13: and you know, and you're meeting some nice people and

1537
01:12:23,692 --> 01:12:26,093
Speaker 13: it's you eating fantastic foods and you know, there's no

1538
01:12:26,133 --> 01:12:28,612
Speaker 13: guilt when you're riding over the season, you're doing some

1539
01:12:28,652 --> 01:12:31,812
Speaker 13: decays and you have a big meal and even have

1540
01:12:31,853 --> 01:12:32,213
Speaker 13: a beer.

1541
01:12:32,293 --> 01:12:32,452
Speaker 14: You know.

1542
01:12:32,572 --> 01:12:34,972
Speaker 13: So it's great, absolutely great.

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01:12:35,253 --> 01:12:37,012
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for you call, Robert. Appreciate

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01:12:37,013 --> 01:12:37,412
Speaker 2: your thoughts.

1545
01:12:37,532 --> 01:12:39,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great caller. Oh one hundred and eighty

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01:12:39,492 --> 01:12:42,933
Speaker 3: ten eighty she your thoughts? If you're a cyclist or

1547
01:12:42,973 --> 01:12:45,372
Speaker 3: a driver, do you think we are overly aggressive when

1548
01:12:45,372 --> 01:12:47,453
Speaker 3: it comes to how we treat cyclists?

1549
01:12:47,492 --> 01:12:50,173
Speaker 2: Were they impeding a Ford ranger rightful access to all

1550
01:12:50,173 --> 01:12:52,492
Speaker 2: of the road and restricting them to under one hundred

1551
01:12:52,492 --> 01:12:53,293
Speaker 2: and forty kilometers?

1552
01:12:53,372 --> 01:12:55,052
Speaker 3: Now that will upset ranger drivers?

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01:12:55,093 --> 01:12:55,293
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1554
01:12:55,293 --> 01:12:58,732
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Ranger drivers get a lot of.

1555
01:13:00,293 --> 01:13:02,612
Speaker 2: I got a lot of sticks just because there's a

1556
01:13:02,692 --> 01:13:04,572
Speaker 2: lot of ranger drivers out there. There's a lot of

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01:13:04,652 --> 01:13:05,293
Speaker 2: rangers out there.

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01:13:05,333 --> 01:13:07,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right right. There is ten minutes

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01:13:07,692 --> 01:13:11,532
Speaker 3: to three. Very surely you're listening to Matton Tyler the issues.

1560
01:13:11,173 --> 01:13:13,412
Speaker 1: That affect you and a bit of fun along the

1561
01:13:13,412 --> 01:13:17,213
Speaker 1: way Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk z be.

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Speaker 3: It is seven to three.

1563
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Speaker 1: Are you ready to crack the scoder code?

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Speaker 3: send you and a friend to experience the Tour de

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Speaker 3: to the scoter website for today's Scoter code but needs

1568
01:13:33,812 --> 01:13:35,612
Speaker 3: some help, here is your clue.

1569
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Speaker 2: I'm the person who makes the wheels go round.

1570
01:13:39,213 --> 01:13:39,733
Speaker 1: Literally.

1571
01:13:40,412 --> 01:13:44,133
Speaker 2: I am the person who makes the wheels go round literally.

1572
01:13:44,372 --> 01:13:46,893
Speaker 3: Breptek. Make sure you're in to win a trip for

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Speaker 3: to enter brilliant prize. So make sure you get in

1576
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Speaker 3: the drawer.

1577
01:13:57,732 --> 01:14:00,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, and right on the topic of cycling. Yeah, I

1578
01:14:00,532 --> 01:14:03,732
Speaker 2: noticed that you've stopped your attempts at pronunciation. You're just

1579
01:14:03,732 --> 01:14:05,733
Speaker 2: saying towards Defrance.

1580
01:14:05,812 --> 01:14:07,892
Speaker 3: Now I realized I couldn't win either way. That if

1581
01:14:07,893 --> 01:14:10,213
Speaker 3: I tried to cracket, I got hate. Yeah, if I

1582
01:14:10,253 --> 01:14:11,293
Speaker 3: ballsed it up, I got hate.

1583
01:14:11,412 --> 01:14:16,772
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why they like nicer to cyclists in Europe

1584
01:14:17,333 --> 01:14:21,973
Speaker 2: because of the beautiful pictures you get around the various tours, cycling.

1585
01:14:21,612 --> 01:14:25,572
Speaker 3: Tours, stunning, stunning sports events and speaking about cyclists, we

1586
01:14:25,612 --> 01:14:27,213
Speaker 3: are taking your calls O eight one hundred and eighty

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01:14:27,333 --> 01:14:30,972
Speaker 3: ten eighty are we overly aggressive drivers? As this British

1588
01:14:30,973 --> 01:14:34,253
Speaker 3: father and son cyclist team said on social media, plenty

1589
01:14:34,253 --> 01:14:35,652
Speaker 3: of texts coming through on nineteen nine two.

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Speaker 2: Hi guys, love your show. I'm a log truck driver

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01:14:38,013 --> 01:14:40,133
Speaker 2: and last week was driving through Marsterton and there was

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01:14:40,173 --> 01:14:44,013
Speaker 2: two cyclists riding same direction. They turned and looked as

1593
01:14:44,013 --> 01:14:46,372
Speaker 2: I came up behind them, but made no attempt to

1594
01:14:46,412 --> 01:14:48,333
Speaker 2: move to the left to allow me to pass. I

1595
01:14:48,412 --> 01:14:50,692
Speaker 2: was following for some distance and then decided to pass them.

1596
01:14:51,013 --> 01:14:53,412
Speaker 2: I pulled over as far as I could and carefully

1597
01:14:53,412 --> 01:14:55,293
Speaker 2: passed them. Later that day I get a call from

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01:14:55,293 --> 01:14:58,452
Speaker 2: my boss. They had complained I'd passed too close. The

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01:14:58,532 --> 01:15:00,412
Speaker 2: law says one point five metres, but I could not

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01:15:00,572 --> 01:15:03,772
Speaker 2: move over any more, but they had room on the left.

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01:15:04,053 --> 01:15:06,253
Speaker 2: I really think these men would just complain no matter

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01:15:06,253 --> 01:15:09,372
Speaker 2: what I did. They came across rather arrogant. And I'm

1603
01:15:09,412 --> 01:15:12,452
Speaker 2: not calling saying all cyclists seems when they put that

1604
01:15:12,893 --> 01:15:17,372
Speaker 2: lycra on their their ball go up to the all right,

1605
01:15:17,412 --> 01:15:19,412
Speaker 2: Their bulls go up to their brains and they think

1606
01:15:19,452 --> 01:15:20,173
Speaker 2: they own the road.

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01:15:21,013 --> 01:15:22,333
Speaker 3: Thanks you, Doug. It's a hell of a way to

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01:15:22,333 --> 01:15:25,772
Speaker 3: put it. The bulls. I'm just trying to out get

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01:15:25,812 --> 01:15:27,772
Speaker 3: where you're coming from. This is nice, I mean, I.

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01:15:27,692 --> 01:15:29,973
Speaker 2: Mean that's dirty from the cyclists. I don't know if

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01:15:30,013 --> 01:15:32,173
Speaker 2: you've been if you've been slowing up a truck for

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01:15:32,213 --> 01:15:34,253
Speaker 2: the longest time. And he finally finds a way to

1613
01:15:34,253 --> 01:15:36,172
Speaker 2: get past you, and then you complain to the boss.

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01:15:36,372 --> 01:15:36,893
Speaker 3: Snitches.

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01:15:37,013 --> 01:15:38,852
Speaker 2: This is part of the war. It goes two ways.

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01:15:38,973 --> 01:15:41,732
Speaker 3: Yep, animosity, that's where it's coming from. And a nice

1617
01:15:41,812 --> 01:15:45,293
Speaker 3: text tier get our guys. In Copenhagen, Hamburg and Amsterdam,

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01:15:45,372 --> 01:15:48,052
Speaker 3: cars give way to bikes, and in case of Amsterdam,

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01:15:48,133 --> 01:15:50,412
Speaker 3: pedestrians also give way to cyclists. But I have not

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01:15:50,572 --> 01:15:52,812
Speaker 3: seen a cyclist on a road with a speed limit

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01:15:52,853 --> 01:15:55,532
Speaker 3: of more than say, fifty k's per hour. I live

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01:15:55,532 --> 01:15:57,492
Speaker 3: in a rural area and we get annoyed sharing a

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01:15:57,532 --> 01:15:59,293
Speaker 3: road with a speed limit of one hundred k with

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01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:04,692
Speaker 3: a group cycling at fifteen k four exercise. We clearly

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01:16:04,692 --> 01:16:06,492
Speaker 3: need to change the rules a little bit. There are

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01:16:06,532 --> 01:16:08,973
Speaker 3: a lot of entitled cyclists on our row, all right, A.

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01:16:08,973 --> 01:16:10,492
Speaker 2: Lot of people want to discuss this. I will keep

1628
01:16:10,492 --> 01:16:11,972
Speaker 2: it going into the three o'clock hour.

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01:16:12,093 --> 01:16:13,812
Speaker 3: Oh wait on hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

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01:16:13,933 --> 01:16:17,333
Speaker 3: number to call share your thoughts? Are we overly aggressive

1631
01:16:17,333 --> 01:16:18,892
Speaker 3: when it comes to cyclist If you want to send

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01:16:18,893 --> 01:16:21,492
Speaker 3: a text? Nine two nine to two is that number?

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01:16:21,572 --> 01:16:24,652
Speaker 3: Newsport and weather fast approaching. Hope you're having a great afternoon,

1634
01:16:24,692 --> 01:16:26,293
Speaker 3: Stay right here, we'll be back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: You set my.

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01:16:34,853 --> 01:16:42,372
Speaker 23: Heart on the theedo oh.

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01:16:40,973 --> 01:16:44,652
Speaker 1: Your home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matt Heath

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01:16:44,692 --> 01:16:48,213
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons with Skoda on Youth Talks.

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01:16:48,372 --> 01:16:51,572
Speaker 3: Be very very good afternoon to you at is six

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01:16:51,652 --> 01:16:54,693
Speaker 3: past three. Just before we get back to our discussion

1641
01:16:54,973 --> 01:16:58,612
Speaker 3: about do we hate cyclists in New Zealand more than

1642
01:16:58,652 --> 01:17:00,852
Speaker 3: other countries? Can I just mention I've been thinking about

1643
01:17:00,853 --> 01:17:02,732
Speaker 3: a clip that you played a couple of weeks ago, Matt,

1644
01:17:02,812 --> 01:17:05,852
Speaker 3: from a very funny comedian Nate Bagetski. But he was

1645
01:17:05,893 --> 01:17:08,533
Speaker 3: talking about the people that get up at five am.

1646
01:17:08,612 --> 01:17:10,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, was saying, if you get up at five am,

1647
01:17:10,772 --> 01:17:14,852
Speaker 2: then lunchtime is a very very long way away. By

1648
01:17:14,933 --> 01:17:18,293
Speaker 2: five pm you're just going, what's the sun stilling doing up?

1649
01:17:18,333 --> 01:17:20,532
Speaker 2: Come on, go down, Go down, Sun go down.

1650
01:17:20,853 --> 01:17:22,892
Speaker 3: It finally rings trill and feeling it today because I

1651
01:17:22,933 --> 01:17:24,532
Speaker 3: mentioned I met this guy at the dog park and

1652
01:17:24,532 --> 01:17:26,732
Speaker 3: he said this go for a game of squash. I said, yeah,

1653
01:17:26,732 --> 01:17:28,772
Speaker 3: I love squash. Him up for it. But then he said,

1654
01:17:28,812 --> 01:17:31,213
Speaker 3: would you be okay worth going to the squash court

1655
01:17:31,532 --> 01:17:33,692
Speaker 3: at five am? So that's what we did. The sporting

1656
01:17:33,772 --> 01:17:35,852
Speaker 3: and it was fine. But now I'm sitting here thinking

1657
01:17:35,893 --> 01:17:38,053
Speaker 3: cheap as I've been up for ten ten hours and

1658
01:17:38,133 --> 01:17:40,012
Speaker 3: I'm feeling at mate no more five am.

1659
01:17:40,133 --> 01:17:42,212
Speaker 2: Well, welcome to my world, mate. I was a breakfast

1660
01:17:42,293 --> 01:17:45,532
Speaker 2: radio host for eleven years, and so I still wake

1661
01:17:45,612 --> 01:17:48,812
Speaker 2: up at five am. I'm calibrated. So it's the days

1662
01:17:48,853 --> 01:17:49,412
Speaker 2: are long, man.

1663
01:17:49,532 --> 01:17:50,852
Speaker 3: This is a punishing existence.

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01:17:51,133 --> 01:17:52,612
Speaker 2: It's very very long.

1665
01:17:52,853 --> 01:17:54,572
Speaker 3: I'm having asleep and tomorrow I can tell you that.

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01:17:54,772 --> 01:17:57,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm for years. You know, for the

1667
01:17:57,452 --> 01:17:59,213
Speaker 2: last year you've watched me fall asleep on the desk

1668
01:17:59,253 --> 01:18:00,892
Speaker 2: about three thirty in the afternoon.

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01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:02,372
Speaker 3: It all makes sense now, yeah, yea.

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01:18:02,893 --> 01:18:04,612
Speaker 2: And just before we get back to the cyclist, this

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01:18:04,692 --> 01:18:09,333
Speaker 2: test says, Matt just running when you'll correct your pronunciation,

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01:18:09,853 --> 01:18:13,133
Speaker 2: Come on, Matte, behave. That's from Jack. Yeah, a lot

1673
01:18:13,133 --> 01:18:20,813
Speaker 2: of people because I choose to pronounce pronunciation instead of pronunciation.

1674
01:18:21,572 --> 01:18:24,133
Speaker 2: I know it's about p R O IN U, N

1675
01:18:24,253 --> 01:18:26,773
Speaker 2: C I A T I O. I know it's pronunciation,

1676
01:18:27,093 --> 01:18:30,452
Speaker 2: but I prefer because it's pronounced pronunciation. Yep, I prefer,

1677
01:18:30,612 --> 01:18:33,132
Speaker 2: And you know you. I don't believe in compelled speech.

1678
01:18:33,173 --> 01:18:38,333
Speaker 2: That's why I pronounce amblance Okay, I'll call an amblance of.

1679
01:18:38,372 --> 01:18:40,012
Speaker 3: Someone that's hard on the ears.

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01:18:40,093 --> 01:18:44,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, hospital hospital, hospital hospital.

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01:18:44,173 --> 01:18:46,652
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, very key. We Yeah, so there you go.

1682
01:18:46,853 --> 01:18:51,732
Speaker 3: JA pronunciation yep, pronounce eation. I think you can promise

1683
01:18:51,772 --> 01:18:53,932
Speaker 3: something you'll never behave. You'll never behave because you give

1684
01:18:53,973 --> 01:18:54,892
Speaker 3: it getting told to behave.

1685
01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:58,812
Speaker 2: They'll be taking away on an emblance before I before

1686
01:18:58,973 --> 01:19:02,372
Speaker 2: I listen to calls for compelled speech.

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01:19:02,492 --> 01:19:04,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much for your tikes anyway, Jake,

1688
01:19:04,652 --> 01:19:05,412
Speaker 3: we love your mates.

1689
01:19:05,532 --> 01:19:07,493
Speaker 2: Grew New Zealand, oh eight one hundred.

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01:19:07,213 --> 01:19:09,892
Speaker 3: And eighty ten eighties. So are we overly aggressive on

1691
01:19:09,933 --> 01:19:12,772
Speaker 3: the roads when it comes to cyclists? Teen to get

1692
01:19:12,812 --> 01:19:15,852
Speaker 3: your view? Nineteen nine too is a Texas well, Mike,

1693
01:19:15,973 --> 01:19:16,572
Speaker 3: what do you reckon?

1694
01:19:18,013 --> 01:19:18,333
Speaker 16: You get it?

1695
01:19:18,372 --> 01:19:18,612
Speaker 2: Guys?

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01:19:18,612 --> 01:19:21,732
Speaker 23: Are you going look? We are so aggressive it's not funny.

1697
01:19:21,732 --> 01:19:24,333
Speaker 23: You know my previous roles. I've traveled the world for

1698
01:19:24,772 --> 01:19:27,812
Speaker 23: you know, multiple years, and rented cars both left and

1699
01:19:27,933 --> 01:19:31,533
Speaker 23: right hand drive, and it's just a pleasure driving overseas.

1700
01:19:31,572 --> 01:19:33,253
Speaker 23: And you come back to New Zealand.

1701
01:19:33,293 --> 01:19:34,772
Speaker 4: And you're in a queue.

1702
01:19:34,853 --> 01:19:37,652
Speaker 23: You put your indicator on to change lanes. They'll speed up,

1703
01:19:37,772 --> 01:19:39,092
Speaker 23: give you the finger out the window.

1704
01:19:39,173 --> 01:19:39,852
Speaker 4: They toot.

1705
01:19:40,053 --> 01:19:42,372
Speaker 23: It's like, come on, let's just chill out of it.

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01:19:42,772 --> 01:19:46,173
Speaker 23: And it's something that I find extremely frustrating. I've even

1707
01:19:46,253 --> 01:19:49,053
Speaker 23: heard Greg Murphy talk about this. You know how aggressive

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01:19:49,093 --> 01:19:51,333
Speaker 23: New Zealand people are on the roads, and I just

1709
01:19:51,372 --> 01:19:52,013
Speaker 23: don't get it.

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01:19:52,093 --> 01:19:53,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think it is? Have you got

1711
01:19:53,372 --> 01:19:54,973
Speaker 2: any idea why it might be?

1712
01:19:55,133 --> 01:19:59,692
Speaker 23: Mike, I don't know what it is. I think one

1713
01:19:59,772 --> 01:20:01,412
Speaker 23: of the things that I see a lot. I'm on

1714
01:20:01,452 --> 01:20:02,732
Speaker 23: the road a lot, and one of the things I

1715
01:20:02,732 --> 01:20:04,812
Speaker 23: see is you'll follow a car an eighty or one

1716
01:20:04,893 --> 01:20:08,093
Speaker 23: hundred k zone that's doing sixty kilometers an hour and

1717
01:20:08,133 --> 01:20:11,173
Speaker 23: they will not let you pass. So does that create

1718
01:20:11,213 --> 01:20:14,372
Speaker 23: frustration with other drivers? I'm not sure, but there's something

1719
01:20:14,492 --> 01:20:17,452
Speaker 23: there that makes us aggressive. I mean, you know, I

1720
01:20:17,492 --> 01:20:20,652
Speaker 23: go to Australia, but you put your indicator on anywhere

1721
01:20:20,652 --> 01:20:23,452
Speaker 23: in Australia, doesn't matter what state you're in. They just

1722
01:20:23,612 --> 01:20:26,372
Speaker 23: open up a gap and that you in. Not on

1723
01:20:26,412 --> 01:20:28,532
Speaker 23: New Zealand, We've got to speed up, close the gap

1724
01:20:28,572 --> 01:20:29,812
Speaker 23: and no way are you coming in.

1725
01:20:29,973 --> 01:20:30,173
Speaker 14: Have you.

1726
01:20:31,732 --> 01:20:34,412
Speaker 2: Ever tried driving in India, Mike.

1727
01:20:37,612 --> 01:20:37,892
Speaker 11: I know it.

1728
01:20:37,893 --> 01:20:39,452
Speaker 23: I was like to drive in France and you just

1729
01:20:39,492 --> 01:20:41,972
Speaker 23: got to fitituate in but they But in.

1730
01:20:42,133 --> 01:20:45,293
Speaker 2: India, India, they realize that traffic is so bad that

1731
01:20:45,333 --> 01:20:47,372
Speaker 2: it just sort of flows like a river and everyone's

1732
01:20:47,412 --> 01:20:50,532
Speaker 2: just sort of allowing each other. There's a lot of honking.

1733
01:20:51,173 --> 01:20:53,133
Speaker 2: But I feel like sometimes in New Zealand, we kind

1734
01:20:53,173 --> 01:20:55,053
Speaker 2: of believe that we have a right to get from

1735
01:20:55,093 --> 01:21:01,892
Speaker 2: somewhere to somewhere else unheeded and unhindered. You know, it's

1736
01:21:01,973 --> 01:21:04,412
Speaker 2: kind of an old school view that any anyone in

1737
01:21:04,452 --> 01:21:07,092
Speaker 2: our way is annoying, Whereas I think in other countries

1738
01:21:07,093 --> 01:21:08,612
Speaker 2: in the world, they just accept that they'll be people

1739
01:21:08,612 --> 01:21:09,532
Speaker 2: being your way.

1740
01:21:10,732 --> 01:21:12,612
Speaker 23: Well, the whole thing I think is actually more than

1741
01:21:12,732 --> 01:21:15,093
Speaker 23: letting you know that via Yeah, exactly.

1742
01:21:15,812 --> 01:21:17,452
Speaker 1: It's not an aggressive.

1743
01:21:17,213 --> 01:21:20,093
Speaker 2: It's actually it's a way to work. Everyone just has

1744
01:21:20,133 --> 01:21:22,652
Speaker 2: to work together. And I talk about it like, you know,

1745
01:21:23,133 --> 01:21:27,012
Speaker 2: it looks it feels like a flowing of a river people.

1746
01:21:27,093 --> 01:21:29,812
Speaker 2: You know, people come into an intersection, they just sort

1747
01:21:29,853 --> 01:21:32,612
Speaker 2: of make their way through. But I just think how

1748
01:21:32,652 --> 01:21:35,813
Speaker 2: angry New Zealanders get when we're not in any anywhere

1749
01:21:35,933 --> 01:21:39,293
Speaker 2: near that kind of situation. It seems crazy to me.

1750
01:21:39,933 --> 01:21:41,532
Speaker 2: Whereabouts do you drive about, Mike?

1751
01:21:41,692 --> 01:21:44,612
Speaker 23: Primarily, Oh, I live in mang of my heads and

1752
01:21:44,652 --> 01:21:46,412
Speaker 23: the heads of Auckland a lot. So I come down

1753
01:21:46,452 --> 01:21:48,532
Speaker 23: through some sort of whitey roads and the amount of

1754
01:21:48,532 --> 01:21:51,572
Speaker 23: times I followed cars doing forty and fifty k's in

1755
01:21:51,612 --> 01:21:54,772
Speaker 23: an eighty k zone with a line of traffic behind them,

1756
01:21:55,093 --> 01:21:57,892
Speaker 23: and eventually somebody takes a risk to pass. And that's

1757
01:21:57,933 --> 01:22:00,652
Speaker 23: the stuff that I think does make us aggressive because

1758
01:22:00,652 --> 01:22:03,852
Speaker 23: they just won't let you go. But but even when

1759
01:22:03,893 --> 01:22:06,012
Speaker 23: i'm you know, when I get into the lanes in Auckland,

1760
01:22:06,213 --> 01:22:08,013
Speaker 23: particularly if I'm coming down early in the morning and

1761
01:22:08,013 --> 01:22:10,692
Speaker 23: there's a you with traffic and I need to change lanes,

1762
01:22:11,133 --> 01:22:12,732
Speaker 23: it's a hell of a job to change lane. You've

1763
01:22:12,732 --> 01:22:15,892
Speaker 23: got to indicate the agous and eventually someone will let

1764
01:22:15,933 --> 01:22:18,093
Speaker 23: you in. I think we're getting a little better on

1765
01:22:18,133 --> 01:22:20,173
Speaker 23: our motorways. I do think there's a been a bit

1766
01:22:20,253 --> 01:22:23,052
Speaker 23: of a shift, but it's but we are so aggressive.

1767
01:22:23,213 --> 01:22:25,933
Speaker 23: And look, if anybody's got the answer, I'd love to

1768
01:22:25,973 --> 01:22:26,572
Speaker 23: know what it is.

1769
01:22:26,612 --> 01:22:28,173
Speaker 3: I've got a wee theory here and I'll run it

1770
01:22:28,213 --> 01:22:30,772
Speaker 3: past you too. My theory is that I think we

1771
01:22:31,013 --> 01:22:33,572
Speaker 3: as a nation of fairly reserved people, we see we

1772
01:22:33,732 --> 01:22:35,852
Speaker 3: like to be happy, go lucky, but when we jump

1773
01:22:35,853 --> 01:22:38,853
Speaker 3: into a car, we've got that little bubble of existence

1774
01:22:38,893 --> 01:22:40,973
Speaker 3: there and there's kind of an underlying anger that we

1775
01:22:41,013 --> 01:22:42,772
Speaker 3: don't let out in real life. So when we get

1776
01:22:42,812 --> 01:22:46,133
Speaker 3: behind a wheel, perhaps that's our one avenue to vent

1777
01:22:46,213 --> 01:22:48,293
Speaker 3: a little bit and to have that sense of aggression

1778
01:22:48,333 --> 01:22:50,772
Speaker 3: in entitlement that don't get in my way because we

1779
01:22:50,812 --> 01:22:53,412
Speaker 3: don't have enough of it now everyday life. Just my theory.

1780
01:22:54,173 --> 01:22:54,772
Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

1781
01:22:55,812 --> 01:22:57,372
Speaker 23: Yeah, it could be right, but I mean, look, I

1782
01:22:58,053 --> 01:23:00,372
Speaker 23: race Tier one, Notusport in New Zealand a lot of

1783
01:23:00,412 --> 01:23:03,652
Speaker 23: my life and and I'm just not aggressive on the road.

1784
01:23:03,692 --> 01:23:05,452
Speaker 23: You know, I can do that. When I was racing,

1785
01:23:05,452 --> 01:23:08,053
Speaker 23: I did it on the track. There's no I just

1786
01:23:08,053 --> 01:23:10,492
Speaker 23: think no place to be aggressive on the road. You know,

1787
01:23:10,492 --> 01:23:12,812
Speaker 23: a car is a lethal weapon, will kill you, kill

1788
01:23:12,853 --> 01:23:15,852
Speaker 23: other people. Just to chill out, guys and enjoy enjoy

1789
01:23:15,933 --> 01:23:17,012
Speaker 23: the ride.

1790
01:23:17,452 --> 01:23:19,852
Speaker 2: Now, Tyler, you're not going to like this, but I

1791
01:23:19,933 --> 01:23:24,572
Speaker 2: think that drivers in christ Church are the most out

1792
01:23:24,572 --> 01:23:26,812
Speaker 2: grow in the country definitely, and the least likely they

1793
01:23:26,973 --> 01:23:27,333
Speaker 2: let you in.

1794
01:23:27,532 --> 01:23:29,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like it, but it's the truth. And

1795
01:23:30,013 --> 01:23:33,372
Speaker 3: being a christ Church driver there is a real aggression.

1796
01:23:33,572 --> 01:23:35,492
Speaker 3: And here's my theory on Christ here, it's got a

1797
01:23:35,492 --> 01:23:38,773
Speaker 3: lot of theories today. My theory in christ is Cantabrians

1798
01:23:38,812 --> 01:23:41,692
Speaker 3: are not used to traffic jams. So if there's any

1799
01:23:41,812 --> 01:23:45,293
Speaker 3: whiff of any hold up in your ability to continue driving,

1800
01:23:45,492 --> 01:23:48,253
Speaker 3: that really really upsets Cantabrians because I'm not used to it.

1801
01:23:48,293 --> 01:23:51,012
Speaker 3: They don't like the idea of a traffic jam. So yeah,

1802
01:23:51,173 --> 01:23:53,612
Speaker 3: as soon as they get stopped, there's almost like an anger, say,

1803
01:23:53,652 --> 01:23:55,173
Speaker 3: how dare you stop me? Traffic light?

1804
01:23:55,253 --> 01:23:57,173
Speaker 2: And I think I think that's why people there may

1805
01:23:57,173 --> 01:23:59,253
Speaker 2: be slightly better in Auckland because you've given up a

1806
01:23:59,253 --> 01:24:00,812
Speaker 2: little bit more and then by the time you get

1807
01:24:00,853 --> 01:24:03,452
Speaker 2: to really congested cities, you've completely given up, so you

1808
01:24:03,492 --> 01:24:06,173
Speaker 2: don't expect anything. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Mike.

1809
01:24:06,253 --> 01:24:07,213
Speaker 2: You stay safe out there.

1810
01:24:07,293 --> 01:24:10,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, great call, that's right. Yeah, accept your fade up

1811
01:24:10,053 --> 01:24:11,732
Speaker 3: here in Auckland that there's nothing you can do about it,

1812
01:24:11,732 --> 01:24:13,173
Speaker 3: so you may as well just be in for the ride.

1813
01:24:13,213 --> 01:24:15,333
Speaker 2: Well, my mate in Los Angeles he got into a

1814
01:24:15,412 --> 01:24:18,972
Speaker 2: road rage incident and the guy pulled out a glock

1815
01:24:19,973 --> 01:24:23,412
Speaker 2: and chased him. You know, so you know, when when

1816
01:24:23,452 --> 01:24:25,293
Speaker 2: there's a good chance that someone in the other car's

1817
01:24:25,333 --> 01:24:28,213
Speaker 2: going to be armed. Maybe that makes people come down

1818
01:24:28,253 --> 01:24:29,333
Speaker 2: in some countries.

1819
01:24:29,013 --> 01:24:31,052
Speaker 3: Yep, that would some of you down. Oh, eight hundred

1820
01:24:31,093 --> 01:24:33,492
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number of call? Are we

1821
01:24:33,572 --> 01:24:35,812
Speaker 3: overly aggressive on our roads? And when it comes to

1822
01:24:35,933 --> 01:24:38,852
Speaker 3: cyclist share your view it is fourteen past three. Back

1823
01:24:38,893 --> 01:24:42,412
Speaker 3: in the moment, use talks'd be seventeen past three, as

1824
01:24:42,492 --> 01:24:44,412
Speaker 3: drivers do we hate cyclists on our roads? So one

1825
01:24:44,492 --> 01:24:46,173
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

1826
01:24:46,253 --> 01:24:48,532
Speaker 2: The six is funny, chat boys. I've got six mates

1827
01:24:48,572 --> 01:24:50,932
Speaker 2: with Rangers. Three of them are raptors. None of them

1828
01:24:50,933 --> 01:24:52,933
Speaker 2: have ever put them in full whorl drive. One of

1829
01:24:52,933 --> 01:24:58,572
Speaker 2: them doesn't even know how to open the canopy. See that.

1830
01:24:58,933 --> 01:24:59,173
Speaker 1: Look.

1831
01:24:59,173 --> 01:25:00,933
Speaker 2: This is why I got rid of my Ranger, and

1832
01:25:00,973 --> 01:25:02,532
Speaker 2: this is why I feel a bit triggered about the

1833
01:25:02,572 --> 01:25:04,532
Speaker 2: persecution of Ranger drivers because I used to have a

1834
01:25:04,853 --> 01:25:06,892
Speaker 2: Ranger yep, and I thought, oh, this would be great.

1835
01:25:07,612 --> 01:25:11,612
Speaker 2: Get a Ranger four wheel drive, be fantastic going skiing

1836
01:25:11,652 --> 01:25:14,933
Speaker 2: with the kids and such. And I never put it

1837
01:25:14,973 --> 01:25:18,012
Speaker 2: in four wheel drive. An Anger a couple of times

1838
01:25:18,053 --> 01:25:20,732
Speaker 2: for fun, but ended up just driving this massive Ranger

1839
01:25:20,772 --> 01:25:23,773
Speaker 2: all around town. Ended up basically being a second storage

1840
01:25:24,973 --> 01:25:29,013
Speaker 2: unit for kid sports gear. Yep, yeah, and so I

1841
01:25:29,053 --> 01:25:31,852
Speaker 2: totally get there there. I mean you should get an

1842
01:25:31,893 --> 01:25:36,372
Speaker 2: inspection regularly to see if you've stupidly paid extra for

1843
01:25:37,053 --> 01:25:40,572
Speaker 2: four wheel drive. Hey, you were talking before about New

1844
01:25:40,692 --> 01:25:44,572
Speaker 2: Zealanders and how you think we're quite reserved, and you

1845
01:25:44,612 --> 01:25:46,813
Speaker 2: hear this a lot, especially when you talk to Australians

1846
01:25:46,893 --> 01:25:48,852
Speaker 2: or Americans that come and do business with us, or

1847
01:25:48,893 --> 01:25:52,732
Speaker 2: even Koreans. They say that New Zealanders are quite meek

1848
01:25:53,412 --> 01:25:56,812
Speaker 2: business people. They're not as hard nosed. Indian business people

1849
01:25:56,853 --> 01:26:00,092
Speaker 2: say the same thing. We don't like to upset anyone.

1850
01:26:00,572 --> 01:26:02,532
Speaker 2: So as a result, we hardly ever say no. We

1851
01:26:02,692 --> 01:26:04,452
Speaker 2: just sort of going I don't know, I'll get back

1852
01:26:04,452 --> 01:26:06,293
Speaker 2: to you, because we don't want to offend people.

1853
01:26:06,053 --> 01:26:07,612
Speaker 3: Which is frustrating for a lot of business.

1854
01:26:08,372 --> 01:26:11,612
Speaker 2: As a result, you know, that has to that kind

1855
01:26:11,652 --> 01:26:15,652
Speaker 2: of meekness has to explode somewhere. And so the reserve

1856
01:26:15,772 --> 01:26:18,652
Speaker 2: nature of New Zealanders and the non confrontrational nature of

1857
01:26:18,652 --> 01:26:20,973
Speaker 2: New Zealanders in a lot of ways, I think it

1858
01:26:21,053 --> 01:26:23,053
Speaker 2: just explodes out in the car. And I think it's

1859
01:26:23,053 --> 01:26:26,053
Speaker 2: similar to Germans who are super organized and efficient and

1860
01:26:26,093 --> 01:26:30,012
Speaker 2: efficient at business, but absolute deviance in the bedroom yeah,

1861
01:26:30,013 --> 01:26:33,532
Speaker 2: And I think it's the same thing. Their efficiency, and

1862
01:26:33,572 --> 01:26:37,492
Speaker 2: they're straight up and down this in business. It's going

1863
01:26:37,572 --> 01:26:38,772
Speaker 2: to explode out somewhere else.

1864
01:26:38,853 --> 01:26:39,013
Speaker 23: Yep.

1865
01:26:39,053 --> 01:26:40,652
Speaker 3: That other side's got to come out eventually.

1866
01:26:40,732 --> 01:26:44,333
Speaker 2: And then they just get up to shocking stuff behind

1867
01:26:44,372 --> 01:26:44,892
Speaker 2: closed doors.

1868
01:26:44,933 --> 01:26:48,372
Speaker 3: They certainly do. I think that's a great analogy. Rather

1869
01:26:48,612 --> 01:26:49,653
Speaker 3: how are you, mate?

1870
01:26:50,213 --> 01:26:51,812
Speaker 7: Hey, you guys get a what do you reckon?

1871
01:26:52,893 --> 01:26:53,532
Speaker 14: Well? Matter?

1872
01:26:53,652 --> 01:26:53,812
Speaker 10: Or no?

1873
01:26:53,933 --> 01:26:56,933
Speaker 18: This used to live at Sawers Bay, oh yep. And

1874
01:26:57,452 --> 01:27:00,932
Speaker 18: and it's a narrow road out to Port Charmers, probably

1875
01:27:00,973 --> 01:27:02,492
Speaker 18: two or three hundred a lot of trucks a day.

1876
01:27:03,412 --> 01:27:07,173
Speaker 18: And I saw these half dozen grongos on bikes. There's

1877
01:27:07,173 --> 01:27:10,052
Speaker 18: a cycleway goes all the way from the stadium, well

1878
01:27:10,093 --> 01:27:13,892
Speaker 18: further than that, God only knows. We're down the wharf somewhere.

1879
01:27:15,053 --> 01:27:18,213
Speaker 18: And all the way to Port Charmers cost about nineteen

1880
01:27:18,293 --> 01:27:22,293
Speaker 18: million dollars or some bloody thing. And I said, these clowns,

1881
01:27:22,293 --> 01:27:25,333
Speaker 18: I said, why are you guys on the road not

1882
01:27:25,492 --> 01:27:29,132
Speaker 18: on the on the cycle lane and they said, oh,

1883
01:27:29,213 --> 01:27:31,812
Speaker 18: we're road racers. We have to use the road. And

1884
01:27:31,853 --> 01:27:35,132
Speaker 18: I said, mate, don't expect any sympathy from any bugger

1885
01:27:35,133 --> 01:27:37,612
Speaker 18: around here if you go into fifty ton of logs

1886
01:27:37,853 --> 01:27:39,012
Speaker 18: because no one will bloody care.

1887
01:27:39,053 --> 01:27:42,412
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, that's that's quite a road to be

1888
01:27:42,692 --> 01:27:47,412
Speaker 2: I mean it's narrow. It's narrow, yeah, and say case yeah,

1889
01:27:47,452 --> 01:27:50,412
Speaker 2: So you're asking people to really look after you in

1890
01:27:50,412 --> 01:27:52,972
Speaker 2: that situation, like you're you're cyclist and you're asking people.

1891
01:27:53,053 --> 01:27:55,692
Speaker 2: They're asking people that you ross to keep an eye

1892
01:27:55,732 --> 01:27:58,293
Speaker 2: out for them because they're doing something risky. You have

1893
01:27:58,372 --> 01:28:00,732
Speaker 2: to change what you do to protect them.

1894
01:28:01,133 --> 01:28:02,452
Speaker 18: Well, they wouldn't make much of a bump.

1895
01:28:05,372 --> 01:28:08,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, be careful around there. My sister doesn't live far

1896
01:28:08,173 --> 01:28:10,652
Speaker 2: from there and her husband's sometimes out on a bike.

1897
01:28:10,812 --> 01:28:11,972
Speaker 14: So yeah, that's right.

1898
01:28:11,973 --> 01:28:13,012
Speaker 18: I'm not I'm not there anymore.

1899
01:28:13,572 --> 01:28:15,053
Speaker 3: That's good, A good thing, I think.

1900
01:28:15,093 --> 01:28:15,253
Speaker 12: Good.

1901
01:28:15,452 --> 01:28:18,492
Speaker 18: Yeah, but you know, these guys are just clowned. Yeah,

1902
01:28:18,973 --> 01:28:20,972
Speaker 18: there's pretty of other roads they could use, but there's

1903
01:28:20,973 --> 01:28:24,452
Speaker 18: not narrow and a case.

1904
01:28:25,053 --> 01:28:26,892
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that comes back to I mean, that's

1905
01:28:26,933 --> 01:28:30,412
Speaker 3: that is almost the definition of entitlement. And that's what

1906
01:28:30,412 --> 01:28:33,053
Speaker 3: one people up right, is that there are cyclists and

1907
01:28:33,133 --> 01:28:35,732
Speaker 3: drivers out there who have that sense of entitlement. I'm

1908
01:28:35,772 --> 01:28:37,053
Speaker 3: in the right here and get out of my way.

1909
01:28:37,093 --> 01:28:38,692
Speaker 2: Be shocking if they're doing that on the other side

1910
01:28:38,692 --> 01:28:40,572
Speaker 2: on the peninsula, because they've got that bike lane that

1911
01:28:40,612 --> 01:28:42,852
Speaker 2: goes all the way out there in the peninsula right

1912
01:28:43,772 --> 01:28:46,293
Speaker 2: tending to be like what they said, road racer out

1913
01:28:46,293 --> 01:28:48,532
Speaker 2: in the out the peninsula way. There would be a

1914
01:28:48,612 --> 01:28:51,892
Speaker 2: risky business. You would end up in the drink for sure. Hey,

1915
01:28:51,893 --> 01:28:53,333
Speaker 2: thank if you call Ross, appreciate it?

1916
01:28:53,412 --> 01:28:57,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Yeah, cheers Ross, Darren. How are you mate?

1917
01:28:58,213 --> 01:28:58,772
Speaker 4: Are you good?

1918
01:28:58,812 --> 01:28:59,052
Speaker 8: Thanks?

1919
01:28:59,053 --> 01:28:59,532
Speaker 16: Guys?

1920
01:28:59,772 --> 01:29:01,652
Speaker 3: And what do you reckon? You reckon? New Zealand drivers

1921
01:29:01,652 --> 01:29:03,812
Speaker 3: are really agro. Yeah.

1922
01:29:04,213 --> 01:29:06,532
Speaker 24: I come from a small town for you've probably heard

1923
01:29:06,572 --> 01:29:09,213
Speaker 24: of it before. We gonna help first set of traffic

1924
01:29:09,253 --> 01:29:11,372
Speaker 24: lights a couple of years ago in the town. We

1925
01:29:11,452 --> 01:29:14,893
Speaker 24: got plenty of roundabouts and whatnot. And I know I

1926
01:29:14,933 --> 01:29:17,612
Speaker 24: do sales for a company and I tend to do

1927
01:29:17,652 --> 01:29:20,093
Speaker 24: a loop around Auckland every day and back to pok K.

1928
01:29:20,372 --> 01:29:22,732
Speaker 24: So I seem like roughly four hours on the on

1929
01:29:22,772 --> 01:29:25,852
Speaker 24: the road every day, especially on the motorway. And I

1930
01:29:26,013 --> 01:29:28,812
Speaker 24: just like to agree with our previous caller on the

1931
01:29:28,853 --> 01:29:31,572
Speaker 24: way that the key we see to have a thing

1932
01:29:31,612 --> 01:29:34,013
Speaker 24: about not letting anyone in because they think that they

1933
01:29:34,013 --> 01:29:36,412
Speaker 24: want to get ahead of you, or there's just that

1934
01:29:37,412 --> 01:29:40,013
Speaker 24: seem to be a really aggressive sort of vibe. I'd

1935
01:29:40,093 --> 01:29:41,812
Speaker 24: just like to agree with that previous caller.

1936
01:29:43,772 --> 01:29:44,812
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

1937
01:29:44,933 --> 01:29:47,852
Speaker 24: I mean I've driven around other countries before and it's

1938
01:29:47,933 --> 01:29:50,732
Speaker 24: quite right. It's it's different, and yeah, I just noticed.

1939
01:29:50,732 --> 01:29:52,932
Speaker 24: Don't know what it is, but yeah, it's not ideal.

1940
01:29:53,452 --> 01:29:56,173
Speaker 2: Well, this Texa here is saying, Darren, aggressive driving here

1941
01:29:56,452 --> 01:29:58,612
Speaker 2: is due to lack of population in Europe. You have

1942
01:29:58,692 --> 01:30:00,972
Speaker 2: to be courteous and let people in. All the roads

1943
01:30:01,053 --> 01:30:03,492
Speaker 2: just won't flow here. We have all the room in

1944
01:30:03,532 --> 01:30:06,213
Speaker 2: the world except for you know, a bit of rush

1945
01:30:06,333 --> 01:30:08,772
Speaker 2: hour in the big cities. I think that it's part

1946
01:30:08,772 --> 01:30:11,452
Speaker 2: of it, Jick and Darren that we expect to just

1947
01:30:11,492 --> 01:30:13,812
Speaker 2: be able to do what we want, you know.

1948
01:30:14,492 --> 01:30:17,612
Speaker 24: Yeah, for sure, there's probably there could be a little

1949
01:30:17,612 --> 01:30:20,932
Speaker 24: bit of toast sounded like with the short man syndrome

1950
01:30:21,013 --> 01:30:23,812
Speaker 24: or the little little wil syndrome of like, this is

1951
01:30:23,853 --> 01:30:26,133
Speaker 24: my my chair found I do what I want when

1952
01:30:26,173 --> 01:30:27,973
Speaker 24: I want sort of thing, and you know who all

1953
01:30:27,973 --> 01:30:31,053
Speaker 24: these other people on my way. Probably a little bit

1954
01:30:31,093 --> 01:30:34,933
Speaker 24: of that for sure. But yeah, I know people that

1955
01:30:36,412 --> 01:30:38,492
Speaker 24: there's just no team effort. That's just not a team

1956
01:30:38,572 --> 01:30:42,652
Speaker 24: vibe out there, just like to shame of you. I mean,

1957
01:30:42,732 --> 01:30:44,772
Speaker 24: I'm just probably people that agree with me and some

1958
01:30:44,973 --> 01:30:47,093
Speaker 24: that don't know what I'm talking about. But yeah, you

1959
01:30:47,133 --> 01:30:49,092
Speaker 24: know that's the thing that's a world.

1960
01:30:48,893 --> 01:30:53,412
Speaker 2: Named yeah well eighty ten eighty do you agree or

1961
01:30:53,452 --> 01:30:54,213
Speaker 2: disagree with? Darren?

1962
01:30:54,253 --> 01:30:56,412
Speaker 3: Thank you for you be a team player out there.

1963
01:30:56,412 --> 01:30:59,652
Speaker 2: I like that this textas said son, my son just

1964
01:30:59,652 --> 01:31:01,933
Speaker 2: married a German girl. As he's say, he's in for

1965
01:31:01,973 --> 01:31:04,372
Speaker 2: a good time. Let's just say that much.

1966
01:31:05,173 --> 01:31:07,333
Speaker 3: Enough, see it. It is twenty three past three.

1967
01:31:07,372 --> 01:31:14,532
Speaker 1: Beck of the moment, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

1968
01:31:14,532 --> 01:31:16,972
Speaker 1: call oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on Youth

1969
01:31:17,013 --> 01:31:17,772
Speaker 1: Talk ZB.

1970
01:31:18,053 --> 01:31:20,892
Speaker 3: For a good afternoon, June twenty six past three. So

1971
01:31:21,013 --> 01:31:23,572
Speaker 3: are we a bunch of aggro drivers, particularly when it

1972
01:31:23,612 --> 01:31:25,812
Speaker 3: comes to cyclists? So one hundred and eighty ten eighties

1973
01:31:25,812 --> 01:31:26,532
Speaker 3: and number to call.

1974
01:31:26,612 --> 01:31:29,932
Speaker 2: The sixth says Hi Connor. Here from Hucker Valley down

1975
01:31:30,133 --> 01:31:32,892
Speaker 2: White Tucky Way, and every one of the roads around

1976
01:31:32,933 --> 01:31:35,892
Speaker 2: the rural areas have seemed to always give you space

1977
01:31:35,893 --> 01:31:37,572
Speaker 2: and wave and everyone is just happy.

1978
01:31:37,612 --> 01:31:41,612
Speaker 3: Wow Paradise, good people down in White Tucky. Yeah. Stewart,

1979
01:31:41,692 --> 01:31:44,333
Speaker 3: what's your thoughts about the aggression on the roads.

1980
01:31:44,372 --> 01:31:47,173
Speaker 16: Mad and Tyler an interesting subject and certainly one that

1981
01:31:47,213 --> 01:31:49,612
Speaker 16: I can correlate with a little bit. Grew up in

1982
01:31:49,652 --> 01:31:54,852
Speaker 16: Dunedin in the seventies. Understand your sawyers. We used to

1983
01:31:54,933 --> 01:31:57,293
Speaker 16: ride the pool charmers and so on, and it was

1984
01:31:57,492 --> 01:32:00,732
Speaker 16: just really really easy. But back in those days there

1985
01:32:00,853 --> 01:32:04,452
Speaker 16: was one point two million cars in New Zealand. Today

1986
01:32:04,652 --> 01:32:08,333
Speaker 16: the four point seven million, right, so we just extrapolated

1987
01:32:08,372 --> 01:32:11,532
Speaker 16: to that number out of side. And you've also got

1988
01:32:11,572 --> 01:32:14,772
Speaker 16: a lot of people from overseas that don't drive at

1989
01:32:14,812 --> 01:32:18,372
Speaker 16: the speeds that we do. Suddenly, people from Malaysia and

1990
01:32:18,492 --> 01:32:21,492
Speaker 16: so forth, and a recent trip to Balley sort of

1991
01:32:21,532 --> 01:32:24,213
Speaker 16: proved that out Ady K's and they're sort of shaken

1992
01:32:24,253 --> 01:32:28,013
Speaker 16: in their shoes. So handling that sort of traffic, that

1993
01:32:28,293 --> 01:32:30,652
Speaker 16: stream of trap that you were talking about, they just

1994
01:32:30,812 --> 01:32:33,692
Speaker 16: moved nicely over there, whereas here were just used to

1995
01:32:33,812 --> 01:32:38,572
Speaker 16: open roads. Add to that, within your townships, the roads

1996
01:32:38,612 --> 01:32:41,412
Speaker 16: were never built to have cycle lanes put alongside them,

1997
01:32:41,812 --> 01:32:44,692
Speaker 16: and that's just congested and made things probably a lot

1998
01:32:44,772 --> 01:32:48,932
Speaker 16: more restrictive driver around Wellington and things like that. You've

1999
01:32:48,933 --> 01:32:52,532
Speaker 16: got very narrow roads like Duneda does. And I came

2000
01:32:52,572 --> 01:32:55,652
Speaker 16: back to the South Island, looked at Deneian and went, wow,

2001
01:32:56,053 --> 01:32:58,893
Speaker 16: that's just going to be incredible. I'd never want to

2002
01:32:58,973 --> 01:33:01,053
Speaker 16: ride my bike on the road, and yet in the

2003
01:33:01,173 --> 01:33:06,012
Speaker 16: day I rode to and from town every day without thinking.

2004
01:33:06,333 --> 01:33:10,013
Speaker 16: So there's certainly some aggression there. The bikes have got

2005
01:33:10,093 --> 01:33:13,052
Speaker 16: to think about it as well. We hugged that left

2006
01:33:13,093 --> 01:33:15,812
Speaker 16: hand Blanite line and when traffic came we sort of

2007
01:33:15,933 --> 01:33:16,692
Speaker 16: wobbled over.

2008
01:33:16,572 --> 01:33:19,452
Speaker 14: It as a room to the left, just to give

2009
01:33:19,532 --> 01:33:20,732
Speaker 14: space at the traffic to cars.

2010
01:33:20,853 --> 01:33:23,452
Speaker 18: And they're only doing eighty twentyes back then, they're doing

2011
01:33:23,452 --> 01:33:24,053
Speaker 18: one hundred now.

2012
01:33:25,333 --> 01:33:28,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I wonder if part of it is

2013
01:33:28,853 --> 01:33:31,012
Speaker 2: and I know, like whatever stats anyone gives you about

2014
01:33:31,013 --> 01:33:34,213
Speaker 2: cycle lanes or whatever, and they say, well that one

2015
01:33:34,253 --> 01:33:37,053
Speaker 2: person and a bike is this much less congestion than

2016
01:33:37,053 --> 01:33:39,333
Speaker 2: the being in a car and stuff. There's no doubt

2017
01:33:39,412 --> 01:33:43,133
Speaker 2: that drivers in this country sit in traffic and look

2018
01:33:43,333 --> 01:33:47,532
Speaker 2: over at palatial cycle lanes that don't seem to be

2019
01:33:47,572 --> 01:33:51,492
Speaker 2: getting used, and it makes them angry. It makes it

2020
01:33:52,412 --> 01:33:54,652
Speaker 2: and then as a result that I think that spews

2021
01:33:54,692 --> 01:33:57,732
Speaker 2: on to when you see a cyclist that's not in

2022
01:33:57,812 --> 01:34:00,893
Speaker 2: a cycle lane, you're like everything's been handed to you

2023
01:34:00,973 --> 01:34:02,732
Speaker 2: and here you are hanging out in the middle, the

2024
01:34:02,772 --> 01:34:04,652
Speaker 2: middle of the road. So I think that's I think

2025
01:34:04,732 --> 01:34:07,933
Speaker 2: that's a part of it. But another thing with the

2026
01:34:08,013 --> 01:34:11,412
Speaker 2: keeping the left right, there's also an obligation for for

2027
01:34:11,652 --> 01:34:16,133
Speaker 2: motorists to not just have their driver's door open onto

2028
01:34:16,173 --> 01:34:20,253
Speaker 2: the road when the cyclist around or wherever right, because

2029
01:34:20,812 --> 01:34:22,772
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why cyclists hang out in the

2030
01:34:22,812 --> 01:34:25,412
Speaker 2: middle of the road is because they're terrified of getting

2031
01:34:25,452 --> 01:34:30,053
Speaker 2: clotheslined by a car door opening, and so so there's

2032
01:34:30,133 --> 01:34:31,612
Speaker 2: there's got to be a bit of give and take.

2033
01:34:31,572 --> 01:34:35,213
Speaker 19: Rights the hairs and look, I think that one thing

2034
01:34:35,293 --> 01:34:37,732
Speaker 19: you realize that as a cyclist when you get out

2035
01:34:37,812 --> 01:34:41,213
Speaker 19: on the road is your own fallibility. Yeah, so you've

2036
01:34:41,253 --> 01:34:44,852
Speaker 19: got to ride accordingly to do that. But I think

2037
01:34:44,973 --> 01:34:48,612
Speaker 19: distraction and a lot of the motorists they suddenly realize

2038
01:34:48,612 --> 01:34:50,852
Speaker 19: as the woman's cyclists there and they've got to evade

2039
01:34:50,893 --> 01:34:53,692
Speaker 19: it stuck out. So yeah, I think there is some

2040
01:34:53,772 --> 01:34:56,572
Speaker 19: aggression around that, particularly when they hog the road.

2041
01:34:56,652 --> 01:34:58,492
Speaker 3: Is it where Yeah, you get a lot of sense

2042
01:34:58,572 --> 01:35:02,612
Speaker 3: to it. Yeah, I keep saying that you get but yeah,

2043
01:35:02,652 --> 01:35:03,732
Speaker 3: there's some good points there.

2044
01:35:04,253 --> 01:35:05,732
Speaker 2: I've just started saying the you go all the time.

2045
01:35:05,933 --> 01:35:07,812
Speaker 3: It's a good saying though the sums up there you

2046
01:35:08,893 --> 01:35:10,412
Speaker 3: this is a nice full stop on it all right

2047
01:35:10,452 --> 01:35:13,812
Speaker 3: then he alright, you seem busy, okay, then you're a

2048
01:35:13,853 --> 01:35:16,492
Speaker 3: good man. Nine two is the text number. Few texts

2049
01:35:16,532 --> 01:35:18,932
Speaker 3: coming through. Go to Sydney or Melbourn. If you want

2050
01:35:18,973 --> 01:35:19,733
Speaker 3: to see aggressive.

2051
01:35:20,133 --> 01:35:22,253
Speaker 2: They try and run you off the road when you're crossing.

2052
01:35:22,412 --> 01:35:23,412
Speaker 2: So right, well there you go.

2053
01:35:23,612 --> 01:35:24,012
Speaker 14: I can.

2054
01:35:26,013 --> 01:35:28,492
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty. Ten eighty is the number to call

2055
01:35:28,692 --> 01:35:31,532
Speaker 3: headlines with Ray Lean coming up. Then we've taken more

2056
01:35:31,572 --> 01:35:33,532
Speaker 3: of your thoughts. That has banging up US three.

2057
01:35:35,093 --> 01:35:37,452
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2058
01:35:37,053 --> 01:35:40,972
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2059
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2060
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2061
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2062
01:35:52,933 --> 01:35:56,333
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2063
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2064
01:36:00,612 --> 01:36:05,173
Speaker 6: says there's never any justification for killing school children. State

2065
01:36:05,253 --> 01:36:08,253
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2066
01:36:08,492 --> 01:36:12,572
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2067
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2068
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2069
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2070
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2071
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2072
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2073
01:36:38,772 --> 01:36:42,772
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2074
01:36:42,853 --> 01:36:46,293
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2075
01:36:46,772 --> 01:36:49,412
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2076
01:36:49,532 --> 01:36:51,372
Speaker 6: Back now to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

2077
01:36:51,492 --> 01:36:53,612
Speaker 3: Thanks Rayleen. We are talking about a British father and

2078
01:36:53,772 --> 01:36:57,492
Speaker 3: son cycling duo. They've been in the country cycling around

2079
01:36:57,572 --> 01:37:00,213
Speaker 3: and they say New Zealand drivers are the most aggressive

2080
01:37:00,612 --> 01:37:03,053
Speaker 3: they've ever come across. So do you agree? O eight

2081
01:37:03,053 --> 01:37:05,852
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty share your story. Nine

2082
01:37:05,893 --> 01:37:07,253
Speaker 3: to nine two is the text as well.

2083
01:37:07,452 --> 01:37:09,572
Speaker 2: Every time I love them standard says this text and

2084
01:37:09,652 --> 01:37:12,333
Speaker 2: let somebody in from traffic point of view. They then

2085
01:37:12,452 --> 01:37:15,492
Speaker 2: let another ten people in. Before you know, we're just

2086
01:37:15,572 --> 01:37:17,732
Speaker 2: doing thirty k's an hour, and I think to myself,

2087
01:37:17,853 --> 01:37:21,133
Speaker 2: Oh my god, why did I let them in? I

2088
01:37:21,213 --> 01:37:23,412
Speaker 2: mean people do take the pass. Yeah, I mean there's

2089
01:37:23,412 --> 01:37:25,692
Speaker 2: a merge like a zip situation. I think that needs

2090
01:37:25,732 --> 01:37:27,812
Speaker 2: to be enforced. Yep, I mean yeah, because I mean

2091
01:37:27,812 --> 01:37:29,772
Speaker 2: we've given a lot of grief to the people that

2092
01:37:29,812 --> 01:37:32,133
Speaker 2: don't let other people in. But then there are the

2093
01:37:32,173 --> 01:37:34,293
Speaker 2: people that take liberties. It's like if you're running that

2094
01:37:34,452 --> 01:37:36,293
Speaker 2: driving down a really narrow road and you have to turn,

2095
01:37:36,812 --> 01:37:41,013
Speaker 2: you pull over, and then everyone comes past exactly rather

2096
01:37:41,133 --> 01:37:43,532
Speaker 2: than a respectable amount, and then you go round.

2097
01:37:43,612 --> 01:37:45,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're trying to do a good thing, be

2098
01:37:45,253 --> 01:37:47,293
Speaker 3: good on the road, and then someone takes the mac

2099
01:37:47,372 --> 01:37:50,053
Speaker 3: and all that goodwill is just gone. Then you get

2100
01:37:50,093 --> 01:37:52,412
Speaker 3: aggression back on the roads. At least happens to me.

2101
01:37:53,053 --> 01:37:55,213
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

2102
01:37:55,253 --> 01:37:56,253
Speaker 3: call you on your story.

2103
01:37:56,692 --> 01:37:59,852
Speaker 2: Hi, Matt and Tyler, we're definitely egger on the road.

2104
01:37:59,933 --> 01:38:01,973
Speaker 2: But when it comes to cyclists, if you have ever

2105
01:38:02,053 --> 01:38:04,053
Speaker 2: been sitting in a car at the weekend and a

2106
01:38:04,053 --> 01:38:06,293
Speaker 2: load of middle aged entitled don't you know who I Am?

2107
01:38:06,612 --> 01:38:09,172
Speaker 2: Come in and crowd you and shove there sweaty packages

2108
01:38:09,213 --> 01:38:12,133
Speaker 2: in your face as though you should move over to

2109
01:38:12,213 --> 01:38:14,293
Speaker 2: let them sit down. I say they deserve a bit

2110
01:38:14,333 --> 01:38:16,412
Speaker 2: of a serve for the motorists cheers kidding.

2111
01:38:16,893 --> 01:38:18,973
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever had a sweaty package in

2112
01:38:19,093 --> 01:38:23,333
Speaker 3: the face in an instance. I'm sorry you had to

2113
01:38:23,372 --> 01:38:26,732
Speaker 3: deal with that, Gerry. It's nobody needs that. Nobody needs

2114
01:38:26,732 --> 01:38:27,612
Speaker 3: that on a Sunday morning.

2115
01:38:27,772 --> 01:38:29,532
Speaker 2: Is it the sweetness of the package that's the problem

2116
01:38:29,612 --> 01:38:32,012
Speaker 2: or just the package? It's good the package in the face.

2117
01:38:32,133 --> 01:38:34,333
Speaker 2: Let us know he's come back nine to nine two.

2118
01:38:34,732 --> 01:38:36,732
Speaker 2: It we've been fine if the package hadn't been sweaty.

2119
01:38:38,492 --> 01:38:38,972
Speaker 3: Iona.

2120
01:38:39,133 --> 01:38:40,852
Speaker 23: How are you, Pelter?

2121
01:38:41,093 --> 01:38:42,293
Speaker 5: I'm good, thank you? How are you?

2122
01:38:42,572 --> 01:38:44,412
Speaker 3: You got nice to chat with you. So you've done

2123
01:38:44,412 --> 01:38:46,452
Speaker 3: a bit of biking on the road in New Zealand

2124
01:38:46,612 --> 01:38:47,493
Speaker 3: and internationally.

2125
01:38:48,372 --> 01:38:51,213
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, so a couple of years ago me and

2126
01:38:51,293 --> 01:38:54,372
Speaker 12: my partner he cycled from Portugal to Iran.

2127
01:38:55,692 --> 01:38:58,532
Speaker 5: And we experienced amazing hospitality.

2128
01:38:58,612 --> 01:39:02,732
Speaker 12: We got food passed out through windows multiple times, and

2129
01:39:02,893 --> 01:39:05,572
Speaker 12: then we thought we'd finish our trip cycling from fong

2130
01:39:05,692 --> 01:39:09,653
Speaker 12: Ray to Nelson and we had the exact same experience

2131
01:39:09,812 --> 01:39:14,892
Speaker 12: as these British people, and it was in fact shocking

2132
01:39:15,173 --> 01:39:20,933
Speaker 12: and embarrassing to experience, you know, probably daily abuse on

2133
01:39:21,053 --> 01:39:22,972
Speaker 12: the roads, being pulled the finger.

2134
01:39:23,412 --> 01:39:25,692
Speaker 5: At one time we actually had a knife pulled on us.

2135
01:39:25,893 --> 01:39:30,173
Speaker 2: Wow, And I mean were you I mean, don't take

2136
01:39:30,173 --> 01:39:32,133
Speaker 2: this the wrong way, but were you doing anything wrong?

2137
01:39:32,372 --> 01:39:34,053
Speaker 2: Like how were you riding? Were you do you think

2138
01:39:34,652 --> 01:39:36,213
Speaker 2: we were at that time?

2139
01:39:36,893 --> 01:39:37,612
Speaker 4: We were riding.

2140
01:39:37,732 --> 01:39:40,652
Speaker 5: We were riding to a breast, which is allowed.

2141
01:39:40,893 --> 01:39:41,612
Speaker 19: It is the law.

2142
01:39:41,692 --> 01:39:43,452
Speaker 12: You are allowed to ride to a breast if you're not,

2143
01:39:44,973 --> 01:39:48,972
Speaker 12: you know, prohibiting traffic flow. The road was dead shape

2144
01:39:49,093 --> 01:39:51,812
Speaker 12: and it was about eight pm on a set Sunday night,

2145
01:39:51,893 --> 01:39:56,892
Speaker 12: so it was virtually empty. So it was just it's

2146
01:39:56,973 --> 01:40:00,093
Speaker 12: unacceptable the way people abuse cyclists.

2147
01:40:00,612 --> 01:40:04,013
Speaker 2: Well why do you ride? Yeah, I mean absolutely unacceptable.

2148
01:40:04,213 --> 01:40:06,852
Speaker 2: And also but why do you need to ride? Why

2149
01:40:06,893 --> 01:40:08,612
Speaker 2: do you need to ride to a breast? I think

2150
01:40:08,652 --> 01:40:10,452
Speaker 2: that does annoy people because they have to go round.

2151
01:40:12,812 --> 01:40:15,772
Speaker 5: I'm not such a huge impact to drive around a cyclist.

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Speaker 2: Well you're going, well, the cyclist is going a lot slower.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the thing is we're.

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Speaker 5: Having a good time in the evening. It's a quiet road.

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01:40:25,333 --> 01:40:29,812
Speaker 12: Why not you know, but if it was moving out

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01:40:29,812 --> 01:40:32,013
Speaker 12: of the way of the car, obviously they are a lot.

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Speaker 2: If it was a busy road, if it was busy,

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Speaker 2: if it was at a busy time, I would you

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01:40:37,253 --> 01:40:38,892
Speaker 2: would you have gone single single file?

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Speaker 5: Certainly not. And I think that's the thing.

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Speaker 12: You know, you look at this news article and people

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01:40:44,093 --> 01:40:47,812
Speaker 12: are commenting about this guy biking in the middle.

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01:40:47,572 --> 01:40:49,532
Speaker 5: Of the road taking photos. You know he would have

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01:40:49,612 --> 01:40:51,612
Speaker 5: done that to take the photo at a.

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Speaker 12: Time where there are no cars coming, because people traveling

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Speaker 12: by bike do respect road rules.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think I think these English guys we

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Speaker 2: were I think they've been spotted enough. They weren't. They

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01:41:03,412 --> 01:41:07,012
Speaker 2: weren't too a breasting. They were single file by bikers.

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Speaker 2: And that that photo that you talk think about wasn't

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01:41:08,853 --> 01:41:11,572
Speaker 2: even on the road, It was on the footpath. So

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01:41:11,732 --> 01:41:14,492
Speaker 2: anyone that's saying you're allowed to be too a breast

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01:41:14,572 --> 01:41:17,333
Speaker 2: off your bike for a photo, there's no question there.

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Speaker 2: So there was there was an unfair accusation against these

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Speaker 2: these English bike riders, I believe.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. And it's like the roads are narrow and

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01:41:26,973 --> 01:41:28,293
Speaker 5: bikers are allowed to be.

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Speaker 4: On the roads.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose it's said, goodwill I ownA you know,

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01:41:31,692 --> 01:41:33,772
Speaker 3: that's the way I look at it, that if you're

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01:41:33,772 --> 01:41:35,532
Speaker 3: two abreast, that's fair enough, you have in a chat.

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01:41:35,572 --> 01:41:36,973
Speaker 3: But as soon as a car comes behind you and

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01:41:37,013 --> 01:41:39,532
Speaker 3: it's a narrow road, is it not just courteous to

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Speaker 3: go single file file and let them past. And I

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01:41:41,853 --> 01:41:44,412
Speaker 3: would hope that if there's a car coming your way

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01:41:44,532 --> 01:41:46,652
Speaker 3: that they give you enough space so you don't feel

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01:41:46,933 --> 01:41:49,053
Speaker 3: in danger. So it's that courteous thing. And I think

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01:41:49,173 --> 01:41:52,732
Speaker 3: sometimes on both sides that is that sense of entitlement.

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01:41:52,853 --> 01:41:54,892
Speaker 3: Oh screw this guy behind me. We're going to keep

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01:41:54,893 --> 01:41:56,972
Speaker 3: doing it because we're allowed to do it. And same

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01:41:57,013 --> 01:41:58,772
Speaker 3: with the drivers. I'm allowed to do this. I'm allowed

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01:41:58,812 --> 01:42:01,053
Speaker 3: to get right up the jecksa of a cyclist. It's

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01:42:01,133 --> 01:42:04,253
Speaker 3: my rights, that's the problem. Yeah, no, I.

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01:42:04,293 --> 01:42:06,973
Speaker 12: Completely agree, And which, like you know, most cyclists do,

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01:42:08,013 --> 01:42:10,412
Speaker 12: you know, go one behind the other wing cars come.

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01:42:10,572 --> 01:42:14,452
Speaker 12: But obviously there are times where cars come much faster

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01:42:14,612 --> 01:42:16,053
Speaker 12: and you can't get out of the way in time.

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01:42:17,893 --> 01:42:22,053
Speaker 12: But also New Zealand drivers aren't they're not looking out

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Speaker 12: for cyclists like you would think.

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Speaker 5: Of all places, Nelson would be quite a cycle friendly city.

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Speaker 5: I've been hit by two cars at Nelson. Just do

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01:42:32,133 --> 01:42:34,013
Speaker 5: people not looking so?

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01:42:34,213 --> 01:42:35,932
Speaker 2: And and how are you hit by them.

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01:42:37,812 --> 01:42:38,572
Speaker 14: Was going for a.

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01:42:38,612 --> 01:42:40,973
Speaker 12: Roundabout I had right away they just drove into me.

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01:42:41,492 --> 01:42:43,412
Speaker 12: The other time they did a U turn in front

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01:42:43,412 --> 01:42:45,093
Speaker 12: of me and I'd bit straight into them.

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01:42:46,053 --> 01:42:49,772
Speaker 3: Well, part of Nelson Iona in the city center, right,

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Speaker 3: Rocks Road seems pretty pretty dangerous. It's pretty narrow around

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01:42:53,692 --> 01:42:54,133
Speaker 3: Rocks Road.

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01:42:55,213 --> 01:42:56,652
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's cycling there though.

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01:42:56,853 --> 01:42:59,173
Speaker 3: Okay, well that's fair enough. It's been a while as

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01:42:59,173 --> 01:43:01,572
Speaker 3: I've gone to my hometown. Are you still cycling around

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01:43:01,652 --> 01:43:04,333
Speaker 3: or is that? Has that experience put you off cycling?

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01:43:04,412 --> 01:43:05,412
Speaker 2: Between cities and.

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01:43:05,452 --> 01:43:08,532
Speaker 5: New Zealand cycle trip cycle most places.

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01:43:08,372 --> 01:43:12,013
Speaker 2: As they go, well good on you, yeah, and you

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01:43:12,173 --> 01:43:14,973
Speaker 2: keep it up out there. But I think they'll be

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01:43:15,452 --> 01:43:18,213
Speaker 2: there'll be a few people that aren't happy about the

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01:43:18,213 --> 01:43:19,053
Speaker 2: whole two of breast thing.

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01:43:19,612 --> 01:43:21,253
Speaker 3: It seems to be. Yeah, it seems to be what

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01:43:21,372 --> 01:43:24,093
Speaker 3: gets people go at. People's goat when they're behind a

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01:43:24,173 --> 01:43:25,932
Speaker 3: cyclist that's to a breast. But what do you say?

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01:43:25,973 --> 01:43:28,612
Speaker 3: O eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine two

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01:43:28,853 --> 01:43:32,293
Speaker 3: is the text number as well? She your story who

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01:43:32,492 --> 01:43:35,253
Speaker 3: We will be back very shortly. It is nineteen minutes

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01:43:35,333 --> 01:43:38,213
Speaker 3: to four. Listening to Matt and Tyler is some great texts.

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Speaker 3: Coming through. We'll get to a few of those very shortly.

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Speaker 2: Bless Ione. But she's yeah, the two abreast commony's got

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01:43:44,652 --> 01:43:45,053
Speaker 2: people going.

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01:43:45,133 --> 01:43:48,213
Speaker 3: She's upset a few people. Nineteen to four a.

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01:43:48,293 --> 01:43:51,293
Speaker 1: Fresh take on talk Back Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

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01:43:51,372 --> 01:43:55,093
Speaker 1: Afternoons with Skoda Place go to codes every day at

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01:43:55,213 --> 01:43:57,933
Speaker 1: Skoda dot co dot ns head have your say on

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01:43:58,213 --> 01:44:00,293
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talks.

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Speaker 3: There'd be sixteen to four, so many texts are coming

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01:44:03,013 --> 01:44:04,452
Speaker 3: through on nine to ninety two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:44:05,973 --> 01:44:09,452
Speaker 2: Look, I'm gonna say we were talking about poles in

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Speaker 2: the first hour, and this is definitely an unscientific pole.

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01:44:12,293 --> 01:44:15,213
Speaker 2: And I'd say that the numbers coming through against two

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01:44:15,333 --> 01:44:20,412
Speaker 2: breast riding bicyclists is huge. Someone's pointing out that ease

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01:44:20,732 --> 01:44:23,852
Speaker 2: e vehicles are very quiet now, so you know, if

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01:44:23,893 --> 01:44:25,812
Speaker 2: you're cycling, you have to be quite careful because you

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01:44:25,853 --> 01:44:27,893
Speaker 2: can't even hear the cars coming up behind you.

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01:44:28,093 --> 01:44:30,053
Speaker 3: That is a great point. They are whisper quiet, a

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01:44:30,133 --> 01:44:30,532
Speaker 3: lot of them.

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01:44:31,732 --> 01:44:34,213
Speaker 2: Here goes another person saying, with electric car cyclist can't

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01:44:34,213 --> 01:44:36,933
Speaker 2: hear them coming from behind. That's why cyclists need to

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Speaker 2: be in single file. This one is eded the single

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01:44:39,652 --> 01:44:42,133
Speaker 2: file part to it single file unless a cycle lane,

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01:44:42,412 --> 01:44:45,013
Speaker 2: but on the other roads, especially the open road, they

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01:44:45,133 --> 01:44:46,612
Speaker 2: are a menace to a breast.

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01:44:48,213 --> 01:44:49,932
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong. I'm going to get

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Speaker 3: myself into trouble here for saying breast. So yeah, double breasting.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with double breasting when

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Speaker 3: there's no car behind you, because you want to have

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01:44:57,772 --> 01:44:59,012
Speaker 3: a check to your mate. If you're on the bike,

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01:44:59,053 --> 01:45:00,932
Speaker 3: you have for a nice Sunday ride and you like rip.

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01:45:01,372 --> 01:45:04,213
Speaker 2: But it's you know, it depends how far past part

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01:45:04,293 --> 01:45:07,412
Speaker 2: the breasts are. You see what I'm saying. People make

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01:45:07,452 --> 01:45:09,892
Speaker 2: the point that they need to go around cyclists riding

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01:45:09,933 --> 01:45:12,173
Speaker 2: to a breast. You still need to slow down and

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01:45:12,293 --> 01:45:14,852
Speaker 2: take care to go around someone in single file. Quite

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01:45:14,893 --> 01:45:18,092
Speaker 2: often I ride solo, but when I do ride with others,

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01:45:18,253 --> 01:45:21,293
Speaker 2: we all ride with rear radars. Now the radar alerts

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01:45:21,372 --> 01:45:24,412
Speaker 2: us to cars behind on our bike. Computer Wow, like

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01:45:24,572 --> 01:45:26,932
Speaker 2: eyes in the back of your head. We drop back

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01:45:26,933 --> 01:45:28,932
Speaker 2: into single file if we're riding to a breast.

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Speaker 3: It's a great New Zealander right there. There you go

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01:45:31,173 --> 01:45:32,532
Speaker 3: is a courtesy.

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01:45:32,532 --> 01:45:35,572
Speaker 2: Technology comes to save the day again.

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Speaker 3: Johnny, Hello, how are you very good.

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Speaker 8: What's your thoughts, Oh, I've got a couple of thoughts

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01:45:43,652 --> 01:45:46,692
Speaker 8: on this. Thank you welcome. I've got a couple of

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01:45:46,772 --> 01:45:49,412
Speaker 8: thoughts on this. I was up in Hanure a few

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01:45:49,492 --> 01:45:52,173
Speaker 8: years back with my brother in a logging truck and

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01:45:52,293 --> 01:45:54,173
Speaker 8: we were coming around the corner and there were three

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Speaker 8: guys on a bicycles across of you know, a breast

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01:45:58,372 --> 01:46:02,052
Speaker 8: sharing a drink bottle. My brother hit the picks, trailer

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01:46:02,093 --> 01:46:08,612
Speaker 8: breaks everything. It was all on a week in traffic and.

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Speaker 2: From just go back a second. What happened there with

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01:46:11,893 --> 01:46:14,492
Speaker 2: the with the guys on the on the bikes drinking

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01:46:14,492 --> 01:46:16,132
Speaker 2: and handing a drink between them, what happened?

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01:46:16,893 --> 01:46:20,372
Speaker 8: Oh, my brother lost the plot all over down ahead

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01:46:20,372 --> 01:46:22,892
Speaker 8: of them, and I wanted to turn one of all

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01:46:22,973 --> 01:46:24,892
Speaker 8: three of them into logs and put them on each shoulder.

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01:46:26,093 --> 01:46:28,772
Speaker 3: And so did you calm him down or got about

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01:46:28,893 --> 01:46:30,652
Speaker 3: He seems he's uncommable, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, all right, triple bristed riders.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but there were those three men were very lucky

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01:46:39,492 --> 01:46:42,452
Speaker 8: mm hmm. They were very lucky because like he's a

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01:46:42,492 --> 01:46:46,253
Speaker 8: pretty good driver, and like I said, anyway, and I

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01:46:46,372 --> 01:46:51,933
Speaker 8: work in traffic control and it works both ways with

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01:46:52,333 --> 01:46:56,612
Speaker 8: the traffic. They are very aggressive and cyclists as well

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01:46:56,732 --> 01:47:00,372
Speaker 8: are very oh can we put them without sounding rude?

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01:47:00,732 --> 01:47:05,293
Speaker 8: Some of them are real stupid, so you know you

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01:47:05,412 --> 01:47:07,213
Speaker 8: think to yourself, well, what did you do there for?

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01:47:08,253 --> 01:47:09,852
Speaker 8: Or you know, why do you go there? And then

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01:47:09,933 --> 01:47:12,892
Speaker 8: you've got the drivers who are absolute some of them.

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01:47:13,652 --> 01:47:15,892
Speaker 8: We see it every day. You know, they're just nuts.

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Speaker 8: And you go from Oriental Parade around the comb and

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01:47:19,692 --> 01:47:22,213
Speaker 8: drive and some of the footpaths in cycle lanes are

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01:47:22,213 --> 01:47:24,933
Speaker 8: building there are bigger than the lanes that traffics mean

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01:47:25,013 --> 01:47:27,692
Speaker 8: to be on, you know what I mean. And I

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01:47:27,853 --> 01:47:30,652
Speaker 8: just think to myself, we've both ways with me. You know,

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01:47:31,692 --> 01:47:33,772
Speaker 8: I'm a great believer and you're born with common sense.

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01:47:34,013 --> 01:47:36,852
Speaker 8: Now you've got to google it, you know what I mean.

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01:47:37,372 --> 01:47:39,492
Speaker 2: A good point though, because you know everyone's saying it's

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01:47:39,532 --> 01:47:43,812
Speaker 2: cyclists first drivers, it might just be stupid people versus

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01:47:44,293 --> 01:47:46,173
Speaker 2: stupid people and non stupid people, if you know what

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01:47:46,173 --> 01:47:48,612
Speaker 2: I mean, Like you can ride seasably on a bike

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01:47:48,652 --> 01:47:50,893
Speaker 2: and not annoy in one, and you can drive the

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01:47:51,013 --> 01:47:53,612
Speaker 2: friendly way and not annoying anyone as well, one hundred percent.

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01:47:53,933 --> 01:47:57,213
Speaker 8: It's it's called respect, which is giving them both both quarters.

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01:47:57,893 --> 01:48:01,333
Speaker 8: You know, you respect the cyclists and vice versa. And

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01:48:01,532 --> 01:48:04,572
Speaker 8: one call has said that text has said that New

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01:48:04,692 --> 01:48:08,572
Speaker 8: Zealanders are very aggressive drivers. Well, we are. Society is

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01:48:09,013 --> 01:48:12,052
Speaker 8: becoming very disrespectful in a lot of ways.

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01:48:12,893 --> 01:48:13,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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01:48:13,973 --> 01:48:16,492
Speaker 8: You know, we've got to get back to, you know,

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01:48:16,853 --> 01:48:19,692
Speaker 8: common courtesy on the roads. Just beastly because you make

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01:48:19,732 --> 01:48:22,812
Speaker 8: a mistake, I da, And she's pretty horrific if it's

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01:48:22,853 --> 01:48:25,213
Speaker 8: a bad one. Yeah, And I just see it. I

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01:48:25,253 --> 01:48:27,612
Speaker 8: see it every day in my industry. I see it

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01:48:27,652 --> 01:48:30,013
Speaker 8: with cyclists, I see it with with drivers, I see

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01:48:30,053 --> 01:48:32,652
Speaker 8: with truck drivers. See it right across the board. And

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01:48:32,732 --> 01:48:35,732
Speaker 8: we are aggressive. A lot of drivers are aggressive, and

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01:48:35,772 --> 01:48:37,572
Speaker 8: there's a lot of good drivers out there, but they're

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Speaker 8: the minority. Like you were saying earlier, you know, you

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01:48:42,013 --> 01:48:45,093
Speaker 8: can be curdeously trifficking and then you'll get a guy

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01:48:45,253 --> 01:48:47,572
Speaker 8: just pulled straight out in front of you. You know,

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01:48:48,412 --> 01:48:50,652
Speaker 8: I'm entitled to go here, even though my car can

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01:48:50,732 --> 01:48:53,452
Speaker 8: hardly fit in the gap, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: You make some good points, Johnny. Yeah, And I think

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01:48:56,293 --> 01:48:58,732
Speaker 3: their point about respect is probably where it starts and

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01:48:58,933 --> 01:49:02,092
Speaker 3: ends with the battle against cyclists and road users.

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Speaker 23: R S P.

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Speaker 1: E C.

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Speaker 2: T find out what it means to me. I always

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Speaker 2: say that and ris P e c T take care

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Speaker 2: of TCB. Soccer to me, soccer to me, socer to me,

2343
01:49:11,612 --> 01:49:13,053
Speaker 2: soccer to me, socer to me, socker to me. So

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01:49:13,293 --> 01:49:13,852
Speaker 2: it's a great song.

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01:49:13,933 --> 01:49:17,492
Speaker 3: Great shown, great shown, Aretha Franklin. Yeah, nine two ninety

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01:49:17,492 --> 01:49:20,812
Speaker 3: two is the text number. Interesting text here, you Giday guys,

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01:49:20,893 --> 01:49:24,013
Speaker 3: really do love your show and double breasting as well.

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01:49:24,053 --> 01:49:27,773
Speaker 3: I'm a bicycle rider and not a fan of cyclists.

2349
01:49:27,853 --> 01:49:29,652
Speaker 3: Just who'd you're reading about? The radar light which I

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01:49:29,812 --> 01:49:32,012
Speaker 3: use wooks great, No need to hear a car coming.

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01:49:32,333 --> 01:49:33,933
Speaker 3: The garment is the best. There are a lot of

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01:49:34,013 --> 01:49:36,612
Speaker 3: duds for sale, and a guy called gp Lama on

2353
01:49:36,732 --> 01:49:40,893
Speaker 3: YouTube has reviewed these radars extensively. Really interesting if you

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01:49:41,053 --> 01:49:42,572
Speaker 3: like a decent YouTube reviewer.

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01:49:43,013 --> 01:49:46,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, how good is you know your lane

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01:49:46,452 --> 01:49:48,692
Speaker 2: changing light on your car that tells you that that

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01:49:48,973 --> 01:49:50,973
Speaker 2: you know you've got a lock anyway? You can't just

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01:49:51,213 --> 01:49:53,173
Speaker 2: you can't just depend on the orange light. No, you've

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01:49:53,173 --> 01:49:55,492
Speaker 2: got to have a geeze as well. But I mean

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01:49:56,053 --> 01:49:59,012
Speaker 2: that kind of technology is around for cyclists. How good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, gens hey.

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01:50:00,213 --> 01:50:05,093
Speaker 2: Lad's totally disagree with I ownA she made me laugh

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01:50:05,532 --> 01:50:07,213
Speaker 2: when she said cyclist the bay. The road rules. I

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Speaker 2: see ten to twin cyclist paper day. Ride up to

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Speaker 2: red lights, look both ways and ride straight through. If

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Speaker 2: they want respect on the road, respect others. There you go.

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Speaker 3: That's from war there's a bit of that as well.

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Speaker 2: He's on the rspect as well.

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Speaker 3: Good on your Warwick. Keep those teams coming through nine

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Speaker 3: to nine to two. We will be back very shortly.

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Speaker 3: It is ten to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons used talks' b.

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Speaker 3: News talks there be. It is seven to four, Dave.

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Speaker 3: We've got about sixty seconds, my friend, yep, you go.

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Speaker 14: For coming from a commercial driver and a cyclist and

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Speaker 14: someone who has been knocked off the bike. The simple

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Speaker 14: rule is it's in the road code. You've got to

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Speaker 14: give way to cyclists. Don't get any more simpler than that,

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Speaker 14: no matter what they're doing on the road. You give

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Speaker 14: away to all non powered vehicles on the road. And

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Speaker 14: I'm a commercial drive, I've been knocked off my bike.

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Speaker 4: I'll drive my car.

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Speaker 14: You know, when you're out sailing all pawd Craft give

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Speaker 14: away to non paird Craft.

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Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying, Dave, And you know, if

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Speaker 3: anyone knocks off a cyclist, they'll probably be in the wrong.

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Speaker 3: But you know, is that really the be an all

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Speaker 3: and end all in the argument that if you're a

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Speaker 3: cyclist and you're having a you know, there's an entitlement

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Speaker 3: about you, then that's going to upset other road users

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Speaker 3: and put you at risk.

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Speaker 14: At the end of the day, I'm out there my truck,

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Speaker 14: driving my truck, and I see cycles and I look,

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Speaker 14: I'm looking a forward and forward looking and seeing what's happening.

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Speaker 14: If you said cyclist, you're going to be appeared to

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Speaker 14: stop or go a but water, what are you going

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Speaker 14: to do? Go to go past them and a forty

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Speaker 14: foot truck and twenty ton and blom off the road

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Speaker 14: just because you're so arid enough that you can't pull

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Speaker 14: past them or in a car and it's a.

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Speaker 2: Cyclist, Well, good good on your mate. You're obviously a friendly,

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01:51:55,133 --> 01:51:58,973
Speaker 2: kind hearted, responsible human being. But do you get frustrated

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Speaker 2: if you if you say, saw a cyclist riding two

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Speaker 2: a breast very slowly and they're they're holding you up

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01:52:04,692 --> 01:52:07,372
Speaker 2: and holding you know, messing with your schedule.

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Speaker 14: For five seconds of not getting run over. When I

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01:52:12,372 --> 01:52:14,213
Speaker 14: got run over, my helme and got split in half,

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01:52:14,293 --> 01:52:16,532
Speaker 14: my bite got snapped and half. I know, it's well

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Speaker 14: when you hit someone and you know, I hit someone

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Speaker 14: in one of my trucks, ain't coming back. They're not

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Speaker 14: coming back but gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but that's that's putting. Making cyclists depend on

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Speaker 2: having a great human being like you behind the wheel.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I'm saying, but what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that if you're a cyclist, you've

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Speaker 2: got to be sensible because you will always come off

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01:52:41,412 --> 01:52:44,012
Speaker 2: second best, right, So they can't always depend that someone

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Speaker 2: like you is going to be behind them. So so

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Speaker 2: just just for their own safety, they need to, you know,

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Speaker 2: keep out of the way, keep left and and try

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Speaker 2: and be safe.

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Speaker 14: Well we're trying to do that, but they're non paired.

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01:52:56,133 --> 01:52:58,333
Speaker 14: So you're paired. You you're driving something that's going to

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Speaker 14: you don't have just a paper cyclist and it's all, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Good on your day, thank you for your care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looking after the cyclist. Thank you very much. Everyone

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Speaker 3: who called in takes today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if we could sum up that I

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Speaker 2: would say cycle in New Zealand's to a breast not

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Speaker 2: popular and don't go anywhere near a triple brisk situation.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of another ipak Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler after the Norns, the Great and Powerful hithertooper

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01:53:20,772 --> 01:53:23,173
Speaker 2: Cy Allen is up next, and she's joined by our

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01:53:23,213 --> 01:53:26,772
Speaker 2: former CIA intelligence officer to discover discuss whether the Iran

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01:53:26,933 --> 01:53:30,333
Speaker 2: conflict will end anytime soon. But right now, Tyler, why

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01:53:30,372 --> 01:53:31,492
Speaker 2: am I playing the song, Oh what.

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Speaker 3: A great song? Call me from Blondie? Because we had

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Speaker 3: that great discussion about pollsters punishing people with phone calls

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01:53:38,853 --> 01:53:40,372
Speaker 3: during dinner time. Nobody likes that.

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Speaker 2: And who was that caller that she said she was

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Speaker 2: desperate to be called to do a political poll?

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Speaker 3: Verona Verona, Yeah, Verona Verona.

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Speaker 2: Good on Yet she's ready to go all right until

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01:53:49,532 --> 01:53:50,973
Speaker 2: tomorrow and give a taste to keep it from us.

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Speaker 2: Love you absolutely tune from Blondie

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