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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper Cy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 2: Be Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Today. Coming up,

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Speaker 2: we've got Auckland having five drive by shootings in recent weeks.

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Speaker 2: We're going to speak to South Auckland councilor who's also

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Speaker 2: a former cop Alf Philippina. You're gonna want to hear

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Speaker 2: what we've heard about a lovely little jaunt that eighty

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Speaker 2: of our school principles are on right now. And why

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Speaker 2: is there the shortage of hormone therapy for women? We'll

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Speaker 2: ask doctor Samantha.

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Speaker 3: Newman's Heather Dupericy Allen.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm pleased to see that the government's drop this

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Speaker 2: threat to defund sports bodies that allow transgender athletes to

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Speaker 2: participate in community sport. As recently as December, they were

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Speaker 2: still threatening at New Zealand first was saying they would

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Speaker 2: withhold funding from sports bodies that allow transgender women to

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Speaker 2: compete against women. Now they have dropped that threat and

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Speaker 2: it looks like they're just leaving it up to the

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Speaker 2: sports bodies to basically manage themselves, which to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Out of the two, I think is by far and

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Speaker 2: away the better approach. I mean, I totally agree that

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Speaker 2: at the elite level, transgender women should not be competing

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Speaker 2: against women, because we're talking about the pinnacle of sports, right,

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Speaker 2: We're talking about women's careers, women's incomes, women's medals, and

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Speaker 2: we know that women are generally slower and smaller and

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Speaker 2: weaker than the male body, which is why we actually

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Speaker 2: have a women's category in the first place, because we

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Speaker 2: can't compete against the men and the male body and

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Speaker 2: expect to win, And so the inclusion of transgender women

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Speaker 2: would obviously generally disadvantaged women. But community sport is something

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Speaker 2: completely different. I mean, this is not just about excellence,

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Speaker 2: and frankly, for the most part, it's not about excellence

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Speaker 2: at all. It's just about inclusion. It's about dads running

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Speaker 2: around kicking a soccer ball on a Wednesday night after

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Speaker 2: the kids are in bed. Yes, a transgender athlete may

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Speaker 2: give a team a competitive advantage, but they would probably

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Speaker 2: only be balancing out the uncoordinated computer nerd that got

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Speaker 2: dragged there by a friend just to fill out the numbers.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Hardly it's hardly like

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Speaker 2: elite stuff going on at a community level. Community sport

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Speaker 2: just really never eat really needed this hard line, one

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Speaker 2: size fits all approach for the transgender community. I'm really

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Speaker 2: pleased because I think we can't really hold the view

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Speaker 2: as a society. Can we really hold the view that

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Speaker 2: the minute that someone transitions, they never allowed to play

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Speaker 2: football with their friends again. For the New Zealand First voters,

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Speaker 2: I think they need to get used to disappointment because

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Speaker 2: they are going to get a lot more of this.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand First made a whole bunch of weird promises

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Speaker 2: about trans issues that are never going to happen, like

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Speaker 2: the weird toilet rules. I don't know why they made

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Speaker 2: those promises in the first place. Perhaps perhaps they weren't

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Speaker 2: thinking it through. But now that they're actually in the

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Speaker 2: serious business of governing the country and have coalition partners

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Speaker 2: telling them they can't do that, they are going to

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Speaker 2: drop all this stuff or they're just not going to

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Speaker 2: get votes for it. The trans issue is a thorny one,

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Speaker 2: and dealing with the property properly I think we can

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Speaker 2: all agree requires maturity and nuance, neither of which we're

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Speaker 2: in That original threat but thankfully both of which we

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Speaker 3: Now either duperic Ellen nine two.

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Speaker 2: Ninety two is the text number. Winston Peters is actually

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Speaker 2: with us after six o'clock. We'll have a little chat

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Speaker 2: about that. That's not why we're talking to him, Primarily,

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Speaker 2: I'll get you across why we are on another subject altogether.

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Speaker 2: The Chief District Court Judge has a plan for dealing

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Speaker 2: the moment. He's introducing time frame goals to try to

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Speaker 2: speed things up. So he's going to divide charges into

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Speaker 2: a bunch of categories, and each category has a time

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Speaker 2: frame that it must now be dealt with in Steve

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Speaker 4: Hey Steve, oh good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Hen you support this idea?

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's a really good idea. We have had our

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Speaker 4: guidelines been distributed by the Chief District Court Judge saying well,

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Speaker 4: let's try and work towards speeding everything up. Yet again,

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Speaker 4: they're done phenomenally well. In the post COVID world, we're

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Speaker 4: comply with these guidelines that the Chief District Court Judge's issue,

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Speaker 2: So the least serious category category one is where there

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Speaker 4: Use it may be on the yes on the books.

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Speaker 4: For example, you may have a three month maximumth in

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Speaker 4: what used to be called summary matters, but nobody ever

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those matters are dealt.

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Speaker 2: With and that has to be dealt with within six months, right,

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Speaker 2: And the example being used is Kerry Allen's case. But

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Speaker 2: Kerry Allen's case wasn't dealt with within six months, was it?

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Speaker 4: And the difficulty is you're hurting cats. You're dealing with

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Speaker 4: people in the criminal sphere who often have reasons to

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Speaker 4: personal issues that mean they don't want the matter progressed.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of complexities and that's why the

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Speaker 4: judge said has honor said that, well, there may be

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Speaker 4: some difficulties in some cases, let's try and work towards

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Speaker 4: speeding them up.

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Speaker 2: Is that so?

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, I mean, he obviously doesn't

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Speaker 2: delaying in that particular core case. Is that unusual? That's

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Speaker 4: No, that's not unusual at all. There's multiplicity of reasons

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Speaker 2: So it's normal, it's normal to have yes. Well, then

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Speaker 2: how do you get around that?

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Speaker 4: Well, you implement protocols, you push people, and you just

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Speaker 4: try and prod people in the appropriate cases.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Category two offenses which carry a maximum of under

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Speaker 2: two years in jail. That's dealt with the nine months

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Speaker 2: It's fifteen months reasonable to be dealing with potentially something

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Speaker 4: They're yes, because those are heading down the jury trial

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Speaker 4: that inevitably causes further delaced because it's more complex.

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Speaker 2: Do we mean, do we need to be doing something

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Speaker 2: similar in the High Court?

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Speaker 4: Well, the High Court is doing quite well. I think

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Speaker 4: COVID backlog. They've pushed them through. They had the jurisdiction

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Speaker 4: many months. For example, he used to clog the High

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Speaker 4: and what priority is it given to what range of cases?

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Speaker 2: I wonder, Steve, I mean all of these A goal

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Speaker 2: is a lofty thing, but it's utterly pointless unless there's

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Speaker 4: Well, the difficulty is if you're punishing the client, often

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Speaker 4: they've got no money.

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Speaker 2: You're going to punish them with a little bit of

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Speaker 4: Well, then you've got to spend enormous amount of money

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Speaker 4: building more prisons to try and it's counterproductive. We're already

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Speaker 4: doing that saying we need a caravan to stick. I

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Speaker 4: hear what you're saying, Steve.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I really appreciate your time as always that

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Speaker 2: Steve Cullen, criminal lawyer. Hey, it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: tough day ahead for Boeing's boss because he's about to

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Speaker 2: time so later today for us. And he's already quite smart.

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Speaker 2: He's already released his opening comments in advance because obviously

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Speaker 2: it in advance. He's going to apologize to the families

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Speaker 2: who are affected by Boeing safety problems, most notably the

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Speaker 2: kinds of stuff like that. He's going to say deeply

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Speaker 2: sorry for your loss. Is nothing is more important than

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Speaker 2: the safety of the people who step on board the aeroplanes.

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Speaker 2: Some of those people, some of those families who lost

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Speaker 2: So that is going to be a very feisty and

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Speaker 2: interesting time. Quarter past.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with one New zealand one giant Leap for business,

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Speaker 2: Be Darcy Watergrave sports talk hosters with us Hello, Dusk,

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Speaker 2: Greetings Heather Darcy. RTS is back from injury?

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Speaker 6: Is he?

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Speaker 7: Yep?

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Speaker 2: Is this?

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Speaker 8: I mean the team is not out yet, but media

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Speaker 8: conference today Rts should be back, would have been back

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Speaker 8: last week, probably quite fitted up. They're going to throw

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Speaker 8: him in because.

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Speaker 9: Of game changer or I think the issue that the

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Speaker 9: Wahs have got currently is working out where Seawn Johnson

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Speaker 9: sits comfortably in the side and the decision making and

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Speaker 9: the fact that from time to time.

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Speaker 8: He disappears, and I think we saw that over the weekend,

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Speaker 8: and I think that might be a worry.

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Speaker 2: Could you blame you pay about this? Yesterday I asked

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine whether he was convinced by Sean Johnson's appearance

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Speaker 2: at the weekend, and he basically, in a very nice

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Speaker 2: piney way, said, no, are you also unconvinced?

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Speaker 8: Unconvinced? I'm not quite sure how much you lean on him.

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Speaker 8: But this is something Johnson does from time to time.

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Speaker 5: We know this.

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Speaker 8: I don't think it's.

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Speaker 2: A surprise inconsistency.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, every now and that Look, he plays beautiful football.

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Speaker 8: He's got the step I think that we saw or

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Speaker 8: of his decision making in his pay So I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: But what do you mean by he disappears suddenly?

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Speaker 8: He's not that valid option that can make that right

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Speaker 8: care or stick that parson correctly or appears. We'd like

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Speaker 8: him to appear to do something magical. It's just not

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Speaker 8: that that playmaker that everybody wants. Now, this split, the

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Speaker 8: but plainly that's not the case. So, but the worries

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Speaker 8: I think aside Seawn Johnson. You get out to a

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Speaker 2: Russian President of Ladimir Putin has made his first state

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Speaker 2: Mariold Dozzy correspondents with us. Now, Hey, muz, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Heather RBA's kept the rats on hold.

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Speaker 14: Yes, they have, indeed four point three five percent. It's

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Speaker 14: the fourth time the bank has met this year under

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Speaker 14: the chairmanship. Very refreshing championship, I must say of the

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Speaker 14: chairman of the of the central banks, she's always out there.

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Speaker 14: They're talking about it.

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Speaker 15: I like them.

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Speaker 2: Have we decided to bail on that? I just heard?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you have heard the producers just pull

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Speaker 2: out one down? So are we gonna try and get

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Speaker 2: mazz up on the phone. Yeah, the producers do these things.

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Speaker 2: They forget to tell me. So I just got the

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Speaker 2: old the old phone to the year. So anyway, muzzlebeback.

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Speaker 2: It just gives me an opportunity to talk about the principles.

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Speaker 2: Any case. Okay, So, as I was telling you they

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Speaker 2: got a six thousand dollar bonus right that they could

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Speaker 2: spend on professional leadership development. But the course costs five

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Speaker 2: seven hundred dollars to go and study extensively and all

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Speaker 2: day long at the Fiji Hilton. Five seven hundred. That

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Speaker 2: leaves them three hundred bucks to pay for their flights.

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Speaker 2: Ain't no flights to and from Fiji gonna cost you

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Speaker 2: in in June, gonna cost you three hundred dollars, right,

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Speaker 2: I had a look, I was, I was like generous.

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Speaker 2: I booked. I tried to book for a month out

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Speaker 2: economy class there and back about sixteen hundred bucks. Where

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Speaker 2: does the extra money come from? Border Trustee? So this

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Speaker 2: is money that's directly coming out of the school's funds

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Speaker 2: to put the principle in Fiji. Does anybody, for any like,

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Speaker 2: even for the tiniest second, believe that these principles are

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Speaker 2: actually learning something there? I mean, maybe are they going

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Speaker 2: to make a kind of like a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a like, you know, like a little half hearted attempt

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Speaker 2: actually doing something. But this is really just about going

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Speaker 2: down to the bar and having a good time, isn't it. Anyway?

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Speaker 2: Taxpayers Union not stoked about it because Frankly who is

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Speaker 2: including all the texts. So we're gonna have to chat

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Speaker 2: to Jordan Williams team past five and get his take

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Speaker 2: on it. We've got muzz back muzz Hello, yeah, sorry.

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Speaker 5: But that Heather, the Old signaled not as flash as

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Speaker 5: the strength of the Reserve Bank resolve over here. They've

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Speaker 5: kept interest rates on whold four point three five percent.

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Speaker 5: Michelle Bullet will be coming out and telling us why

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Speaker 5: the bank wants inflation down between two and three percent.

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Speaker 5: It's still too high. We've had thirteen rate rises to

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Speaker 5: this point and people are screaming. The cost of living

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Speaker 5: crisis over here is real, the opposition with.

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Speaker 10: A great line.

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Speaker 5: People are heating. Are you eating their homes or eating?

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Speaker 5: And for some families apparently that is exactly what it is.

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Speaker 5: The situation very complex in Australia. Very strong employment growth.

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Speaker 5: We saw those figures last month, which means more spending

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Speaker 5: out in the economy from tens of thousands of new

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Speaker 5: pay packets and that's not going to help get inflation

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Speaker 5: down yet small businesses struggling, so two households were the

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Speaker 5: cost of living that's reflected of course here in the

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Speaker 5: latest poll that shows Peter Dutton is now preferred Prime

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Speaker 5: Minister over Anthony Albernezi and the coalition the government fifty

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Speaker 5: to fifty.

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Speaker 2: This controversy about the Chinese officials trying to blame the journo,

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Speaker 2: Is this like an actual controversy or is it just

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Speaker 2: one of those ones we go Chinese officials at it again.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, it's it's I mean, it's it's you look

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Speaker 5: at it and you think, what are you trying to do?

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Speaker 5: They were trying to stand because this young female Australian

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Speaker 5: Chinese journalist, right, she was locked up for three years

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Speaker 5: by Beijing with this nonsense about you know, she was

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Speaker 5: involved in espionage. As soon as the COVID crisis died down,

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Speaker 5: she was released and she's back home. She's now working

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Speaker 5: for Sky News. She was the number one broadcast, you know,

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Speaker 5: a news reader on that particular channel. I think she

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Speaker 5: was coming out.

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Speaker 16: Of Hong Kong.

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Speaker 5: In any event, she's now working here in Australia. She's

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Speaker 5: an Aussie citizen. And these clowns from the Chinese embassy

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Speaker 5: in Canbra were at the news conference with Albanisi and

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Speaker 5: the Chinese premiere yesterday. He is the second most powerful

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Speaker 5: political leader in China. So he's a big deal and

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Speaker 5: she's there with their sky news camera and these clowns.

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Speaker 5: It was like, I don't know, the Keystone cops. They're

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Speaker 5: trying to stand in front of the camera so she

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Speaker 5: can't get a shot. Well, the Australian officials, a couple

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Speaker 5: of young women have sort of edging them along. She's

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Speaker 5: changed seats. The Chinese officials and the embassy of trying

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Speaker 5: to jump in, and the Australian women from Foreign Affairs

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Speaker 5: that just a bit like Ossie rules tackling. They just

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Speaker 5: sort of stand in their way so there's no way

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Speaker 5: they can block the female journalist's shot. It is nonsense.

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Speaker 5: What it did, of course, was distract from a very

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Speaker 5: important meeting between a very important Chinese leader and Anthony Albanizi.

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Speaker 5: Lots and lots of stuff discussed yesterday. Trade, you know, obviously,

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Speaker 5: military engagements unwanted in the disputed waters off China. Now

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Speaker 5: they're over in Double Way today. China wants to invest

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Speaker 5: a lot more money in rare earth minerals, so let's

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Speaker 5: see how that goes.

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Speaker 2: Mus What do you make about was brew about the

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Speaker 2: Robert Irwin cartoon?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, look, Robert Irwin says, I've been to

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Speaker 5: famed mate bonds of beauty and paul and Hanson's come

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Speaker 5: out and said no you haven't, No, no, no, Paul.

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Speaker 5: Look it's One Nation. Her political party has been using

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Speaker 5: cartoons for a while to highlight things that Pauline Hanson

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Speaker 5: One Nation Bob sees wrong with the Australian political setup.

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Speaker 5: There's a Queensland election coming up. Pauline Hanson comes from Queensland,

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Speaker 5: so let's make a cartoon that highlights the incompetence and

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Speaker 5: the absolute bloody uselessness of the labor government lands. So

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Speaker 5: that's the character of Steve soud Of now a dog saying, gee,

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Speaker 5: whereas we've been evicted from a beach because of native title. Look,

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Speaker 5: our vehicles are stolen by bloody juvenile the lens and

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Speaker 5: now they have to He says, I I don't like it.

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Speaker 5: It's the favatory. Take it down. Pauling says, not on

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Speaker 5: your nelly. Not while we're getting all this free public

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Speaker 5: city to stand up lawyers at twenty prices.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant stuff. Hey, thank you Mars, Jesus Gobertro be there again.

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Speaker 2: And a Murray Old's Australia correspondent might have been those

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Speaker 2: Chinese officials having a crack at the old travel loan

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Speaker 2: here that the Principles will report on the trip to

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Speaker 2: their boards of trustees, and these reports, expense claims and

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Speaker 2: attendance should all be oa a able. When you say,

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Speaker 2: KIV that they should be oa aable, do you mean

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Speaker 2: like barroway aable you should be able to get hold

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Speaker 2: of them or are you saying they should be and

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Speaker 2: they're not. Because I don't know which of the two.

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Speaker 2: So follow that up and let me know because otherwise,

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Speaker 2: because we don't know who the principles are. By the way,

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Speaker 2: so if you know a principal, God dup them in,

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Speaker 2: then send me a text. Nine two ninety two would

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Very Soper, Senior Political correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Barry

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Speaker 2: good I Heather, what do you make of the government

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Speaker 2: softening its stance. We'll basically dropping the threat to defund

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Speaker 2: community sports who include and gender women.

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Speaker 11: Well, I know it was said by the Minister of

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Speaker 11: Recreation Sport, Chris Bishop, but look all the statements that

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Speaker 11: have been made up until now, it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 11: see what Winston Peter says to you tonight about it,

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Speaker 11: but he essentially has been saying, look, if sports want

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Speaker 11: to maintain their funding, then they must abide by the

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Speaker 11: coalition agreement on this matter, and that's to withhold funding

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Speaker 11: for sport. And the first utterance of it really was

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Speaker 11: from remember our old mate, the mayor of Wellington, Andy Foster,

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Speaker 11: who's now their sports spokesman New Zealand First that is,

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Speaker 11: and he said, if sporting codes didn't fall into line

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Speaker 11: the policy said, he said, funding would certainly be cut. Now,

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Speaker 11: this is transgender women being involved in community sports, so

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Speaker 11: it's at a lower level. And there was a comprehensive

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Speaker 11: report done by Sport New Zealand CEO Raileian Castle, she said,

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Speaker 11: and she pointed out that look, transgender people in community

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Speaker 11: sport there players, coaches, officials and administrators. So it's very

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Speaker 11: hard to have a blanket ban on this sort of thing.

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Speaker 11: The New Zealand First Party would argue it's about safety

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Speaker 11: and fairness, but look, this is, as Chris Bishop said,

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Speaker 11: a very tricky set of issues.

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Speaker 2: There will be more of this, right if there is.

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Speaker 2: If people voted for New Zealand first, and the hope

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Speaker 2: that they were going to be able to enact their

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Speaker 2: blanket hardline on trans transgender community. They're in for a

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Speaker 2: big disappointment because none of the stuff's going to see

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Speaker 2: the light of day, like those weird toilet rules about

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Speaker 2: girls not being able to wear in boy bathrooms and

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Speaker 2: stuff that's also going to get ditched.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well most likely I would imagine to support that

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Speaker 11: none And I don't know whether it'll be a die

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Speaker 11: in the ditch issue really for New Zealand first. But

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Speaker 11: now it's come to the four. Of course Winston Peters

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Speaker 11: has to argue one way or the other.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I cannot believe that we're sending the jet to

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Speaker 2: pick up the pen. Did we not learn from the

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Speaker 2: other day.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know it can fly at a higher altitude

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Speaker 11: now and for now, New Zealand Defense has been working

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Speaker 11: very hard on it. But look, it seems to me

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Speaker 11: almost inevitable that two jets will be bought and yeah,

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Speaker 11: and fairly it'll be done fairly soon. I would imagine.

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Speaker 11: You had Nikola Willets on here this morning. She was

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Speaker 11: basically saying that, look, these were the issues that the

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Speaker 11: government will be working through that is to get the

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Speaker 11: new planes and luxon from Japan. Just a short while

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Speaker 11: ago he gave a pretty strong indications indication the planes

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Speaker 11: would be replaced.

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Speaker 17: No government wants to be seen to be spending money

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Speaker 17: on itself, and as a result, what happens as you

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Speaker 17: end up deferring the inevitable investment and you end up

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Speaker 17: in a situation that we are today where we're trying

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Speaker 17: to manage assets that are aging and what is a

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Speaker 17: very difficult fiscal constraints. So I think his illness understand

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Speaker 17: that situation. We are in a place where we need

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Speaker 17: to make sure that we can replace that seven five seven.

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Speaker 11: So there you go, and that dreadful noise in the background.

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Speaker 11: He was on a naval ship in Japan. Ah And

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Speaker 11: to that end, I mean the New Zealand Defense Force

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Speaker 11: will be sending an ANZAC class frigate will be deployed

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Speaker 11: to Japan in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 8: That we frigate go up.

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Speaker 11: Later this year as well, and a p P eight aircraft.

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Speaker 11: Now they'll be up there for essentially monitoring sanctions against

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Speaker 11: North Korean. I heard your Peace on North Korea earlier

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Speaker 11: on that you know, it's really hotting up in that

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Speaker 11: part of the world, and New Zealand is really showing

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Speaker 11: its flag there.

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Speaker 2: So just Sinder's got a new job.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, no, it isn't it magnificent. It's what goes to

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Speaker 11: show in my view is lo I traveled with Jasinda

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Speaker 11: Dern during the course of her Prime minister ship overseas.

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Speaker 11: People overseas lover they thought she was absolutely fantastic. So

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Speaker 11: she's landed a new venture.

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Speaker 2: Where she really need you to talk fast. She'll be

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Speaker 2: working because I am getting triggered, so to talk fast.

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Speaker 11: She'll be working with global political leaders on a program

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Speaker 11: about leading with kindness.

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Speaker 2: And don't say that in the boat.

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Speaker 11: I do say it. And tell that to those Tell

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Speaker 11: that to those who faced restrictions during the COVID and

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Speaker 11: being refused to come home unless they want a ballot,

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Speaker 11: or tell that to those who refuse permission to visit

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Speaker 11: dying relatives and hospitals or indeed go to that's all

657
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Speaker 11: that's hardly kindness and empire. Thank you, I did save thousands.

658
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Speaker 2: Would that's enough? Barry? Thank you, Barris, seeing your political correspondent.

659
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Speaker 2: We're having a little moratorium again on just in there.

660
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Speaker 2: We'll come back to it at another stage, many many

661
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Speaker 2: years from now, seven away from five, putting the.

662
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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic Hosking.

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Speaker 18: Breakfast Finance Minister Nicola Willis carbon market auction. It's not

664
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Speaker 18: going to sell. You said you were going to sort

665
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Speaker 18: it out. You've got a couple of billion dollars potentially

666
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Speaker 18: coming and you're not going to get anything because and

667
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Speaker 18: the reason is people don't believe what you're doing.

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Speaker 19: Well, I've been given firm advice that I should not

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Speaker 19: comment on are you going to move the market or yeah,

670
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Speaker 19: well that's the risk right behavior. Well, what I can

671
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Speaker 19: say as we believe the emissions trading scheme is one

672
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Speaker 19: of the most vital tools we have for driving emissions

673
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Speaker 19: down in New Zealand.

674
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Speaker 18: But look at what the market's telling you.

675
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Speaker 19: Well, the government remains committed to the emissions trading scheme

676
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Speaker 19: as the primary tool we have or driving emissions down

677
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Speaker 19: in New Zealand.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: Jaguar Newstalk z Beat.

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Speaker 2: There you go again, here the cutting barry off hand?

681
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Speaker 2: Has he put up with you? Thanks, Angie, Well you

682
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: wanted me to cut him off though, don't pretend that

683
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: you didn't listen. It looks like the buy now, pay

684
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: later thing is that is not working at the moment.

685
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: Apple has just announced it's stopped. It's basically stopped. It's

686
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: Apple pay Later. It stopped issuing loans through it. It only

687
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: it actually only launched the program last year, so it's

688
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: a reasonably new program and they're still calling it off regardless.

689
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Speaker 2: And then Layby went into the receivership last night. So

690
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: it seems to be that there's I mean, there is

691
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Speaker 2: either a maybe we've moved on from that idea, or

692
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Speaker 2: perhaps it's just a victim of a really difficult time

693
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: in a cost of living crisis, and you know, people

694
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: are just really pulling it back so hard and these

695
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: businesses not being not able to continue given the environment.

696
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Speaker 2: We're gonna have a chat to Retail New Zealand about

697
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Speaker 2: are they going to be with us in fifteen or

698
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Speaker 2: sor about twenty minutes time quarter past five, Heather, The

699
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Speaker 2: ferals are just shooting each other, so who cares? Ray?

700
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Speaker 2: I would be much the same as you, right, but

701
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Speaker 2: for two reasons. First of all, what if the Farerals

702
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Speaker 2: think that that seventy five is where the other ferals live.

703
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: But actually they they said that the parals don't live

704
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Speaker 2: at seventy five. They live at seventy seven and you

705
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Speaker 2: live at seventy five. And now because they're not smart people,

706
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: these people, right, so they're likely to shoot like maybe

707
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Speaker 2: that looking for seventy five, but then they shoot fifty

708
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Speaker 2: seven because they're dumb, and then they get your house.

709
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Speaker 2: That's what worries me. But also in the last couple

710
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Speaker 2: of weeks, one of the houses targeted actually was a

711
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Speaker 2: grandmother's house in mangot Eh who said she doesn't know

712
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Speaker 2: why they were shooting at her and she thinks they

713
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Speaker 2: got the wrong house. So it does there's a bit

714
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Speaker 2: of overlap there. Al Philippina with us on that shortly

715
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Speaker 2: and then the Taxpayer's Union on the principles Jolly over

716
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Speaker 2: in Fiji.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

718
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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis

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Speaker 1: together due to clan drive with one New Zealand Let's

720
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Speaker 1: get connected and New's talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon. The number of drive by shootings in Auckland

722
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Speaker 2: in recent weeks has now hit five. Two of these

723
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Speaker 2: shootings happened last night. Both of them were in South Auckland,

724
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Speaker 2: and the remainder happened just in the last couple of weeks.

725
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Speaker 2: Police are investigating, but they say they're still in the

726
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Speaker 2: dark about who the culprits are, whether the events are linked.

727
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Speaker 2: South Auckland counselor and former police offic Al Philippina is

728
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Speaker 2: with me right a house.

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Speaker 7: Hey, he the how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good mate, Any idea what's going on here?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: No, and I actually spoke to one of the senior

733
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Speaker 7: police officers after I spoke with Laura and spoke to them,

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Speaker 7: and they're obviously still investigating it. I think that I

735
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Speaker 7: just hope our community do not get to a point

736
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Speaker 7: where they say, oh, gosh, you know, we're just used

737
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Speaker 7: to it now. We should never get used to this.

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Speaker 2: Never aren't we already there?

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Speaker 7: It's just shocking. No, I don't think we are. I

740
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Speaker 7: hope we're not, because there's just discussing what's happening and

741
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Speaker 7: working with the police. I mean, my plea is to

742
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Speaker 7: people who know who is doing this, whether it's again

743
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Speaker 7: related or not, but people, you know, I just realized that, hey,

744
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Speaker 7: you're one of your relatives could well be shot seriously

745
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 7: injured or killed and ring the police just bring them anonymously?

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Speaker 2: Is that what's going on here?

747
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Speaker 1: Al?

748
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Speaker 2: For people not reporting it?

749
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Speaker 7: Of course, of course that that's what's happening. Because if

750
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Speaker 7: you know, if the community and people who know the

751
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 7: people who are doing this, do it anonymously, you don't

752
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 7: need to put your name out there, but try and

753
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Speaker 7: get these firearms out of the community, get these people

754
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Speaker 7: and make them accountable for what they're doing, because if

755
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Speaker 7: they did ring the police, we wouldn't have this. And

756
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Speaker 7: that's what's so disappointing.

757
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Speaker 2: Sorry, elf, Is this just ferals shooting ferals or are

758
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Speaker 2: they innocent people being being accidentally caught up here?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 7: I personally, I don't think even with the divee, with

761
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Speaker 7: the house and the car, I personally don't think it's

762
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Speaker 7: it's so sorry, wrong house. I don't because of how

763
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Speaker 7: many shots or fired, the fact that there was the

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Speaker 7: house as well as the vehicle. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 7: know whether it's going related. But you know, for me,

766
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 7: community out there, do not do not think that, oh, look,

767
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Speaker 7: this is just normal and we should get used to it.

768
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Speaker 7: We should never get used to this. It's shocking.

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Speaker 2: It's shocking elf, Thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Has always appreciated as alf Philippina South Aukland Council also

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Speaker 2: former police officer du for c Ellen. So we learned

772
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Speaker 2: earlier today that right now eighty New Zealand Principles are

773
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Speaker 2: at the Fiji Hilton paid for you, paid for by you,

774
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Speaker 2: the taxpayer. You might recall as part of their collective agreement,

775
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Speaker 2: the principles were given six thousand dollars each for professional

776
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Speaker 2: leadership development. That's obviously what they're spending. The money on

777
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: the course costs five seven hundred dollars. The cost of

778
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: the flights and anything else would be covered by the school.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Williams is from the Taxpayer's Union with us.

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Speaker 20: Now, hey, Jordan, good.

781
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Speaker 2: Look for the principles.

782
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Speaker 21: No, it's not technical term and education for what a

783
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 21: trip like this is called, and it's piss take you

784
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 21: go to Fiji.

785
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Speaker 7: You got five.

786
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Speaker 21: Days there and you have to fit just thirteen hours

787
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Speaker 21: in between your pennicoladas, six of which are going and

788
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Speaker 21: volunteering at a school. So basically it's too easy morning

789
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Speaker 21: of actual professional development and the rest is you're sitting

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Speaker 21: next to your private pool.

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Speaker 2: Is there a better way for us to do this.

792
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: I mean, should we be asking the principles or requiring

793
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Speaker 2: the principles to spend this money on courses that have

794
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Speaker 2: been accredited and are actually up to our standards.

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Speaker 21: Well obviously, And you know there's always a suspicion that

796
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Speaker 21: some school principles run rings around the boards, and I

797
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Speaker 21: put you that this would be one of them. If

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Speaker 21: I put to my board or my cham and that

799
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Speaker 21: you know, I want to go to Fiji for five

800
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Speaker 21: days to do what amounts to what seven hours of

801
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Speaker 21: professional development? You know, I'd rightly be laughed at. You

802
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 21: know that you can stand for professional development, yes, absolutely,

803
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 21: but you look at even the way that this is marketed.

804
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 21: It's very clearly, you know, taking the proverbial you've got,

805
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 21: you know, the focus isn't on education, it's on well

806
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 21: being of the principal's ie. It's a holiday. They basically

807
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Speaker 21: say it, and they defend the fact that it is

808
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 21: not in the school holidays because you'd think if your

809
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 21: principal and you have to go away for a week

810
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Speaker 21: to do some professional development, that you do it in

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Speaker 21: the holidays. But the course providers say no, no, no,

812
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Speaker 21: you know, school holidays are for relaxing and principals go

813
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Speaker 21: on holiday here. That's why it has to be during

814
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Speaker 21: school too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nuts.

816
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Speaker 21: It's a joke.

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Speaker 2: Not taking an issue with the idea behind it being

818
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: professional development, just the fact that this is such a

819
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Speaker 2: loose system that it can basically be spent on a holiday.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, well it is.

821
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 21: I mean the whole thing is marketed around effectively being

822
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Speaker 21: a holiday and that it's not. You know that they

823
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 21: specifically say this is about well being and your wellbeing

824
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Speaker 21: that is sitting next to a pool with a pinicolada,

825
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Speaker 21: and anyone who looks into this course with you know,

826
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Speaker 21: it's very clear that's what it is. And the question

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Speaker 21: comes back to why haven't the boards looked at this course?

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Speaker 21: So when the principal asks, presuming they have in advance,

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Speaker 21: of course the thing come on. But you get a grip.

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00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 21: We taxpayers didn't fork out the extra six grand for

831
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Speaker 21: professional development for you to go for a holiday and Fiji.

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Speaker 2: So right, Jordan, thank you very much appreciated, Jordan Williams

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Speaker 2: Taxpayers Union.

834
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Speaker 3: Ever due for see Ellens, heav a.

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Speaker 2: Big retailer here after pay is still huge, huge percentage

836
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Speaker 2: of our transactions and very slick operation. We're going to

837
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: talk about if it is still big and if it's slick,

838
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: what's going on. We'll talk to Retail New Zealand about

839
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: it very shortly, but it's just come out now. The

840
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 2: mother of the missing three, the three missing Marti Corporate children,

841
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: has spoken out for the very first time. Police have

842
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: just shared a video of her. Her name is Kat

843
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: They've shared it on social media. This is a week

844
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Speaker 2: after they posted the eighty thousand dollars award for information

845
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Speaker 2: on the children.

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Speaker 23: Today is Jada's birthday. She is eleven. She will be

847
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Speaker 23: a young woman now and she needs her mother. Remember

848
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 23: is asth medic as am I. She needs medical care

849
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Speaker 23: that cannot be provided from the land. And I can

850
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Speaker 23: only imagine how Maverick is coping with the hand.

851
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Speaker 3: That life has dealt him.

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Speaker 23: Many of you say that the children are fine, that

853
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Speaker 23: they're being well looked after.

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Speaker 3: How do you know?

855
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Speaker 23: Have you seen them or is it just bush talk.

856
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: This is what she had to say about the kid's dad,

857
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Speaker 2: Tom Phillips.

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Speaker 23: What Thomas is doing is not okay. It is not

859
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Speaker 23: okay to divide and conquer. It is not okay to

860
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 23: isolate and control. It is child neglect, it is child endangerment,

861
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Speaker 23: it is child abandonment, it is child abuse.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen past five. Hey, if you're in the market for

863
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: new car, you're going to need to have the BYDC

864
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: Lion Sex at the top you list. And let me

865
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Speaker 2: tell you why. This car is a super hybrid. Now,

866
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Speaker 2: super hybrids are the future, and the BYDC Lion six

867
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Speaker 2: is the first car in New Zealand to use the technology.

868
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Speaker 2: So how it works is traditional hybrids rely on a

869
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 2: combustion engine with electric assistance, but the BYDC Lion six

870
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: uses electric motors as the main power source with the

871
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: combustion engine as the supplementary power unit. Now you're probably thinking,

872
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: so what, Heather, why does that matter? Well, it matters

873
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: because it's going to save you big bucks on fuel.

874
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: The BYDC Lion crushes traditional hybrids and efficiency. On a

875
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: full charge, you're going to get one hundred one hundreds

876
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: k's of range, offer measly one point two leaders On

877
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: a full charge and tank, it's going to take you

878
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: eleven hundred ks. Now, that is the entire length of

879
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: the North Island on a full charge and tank. The

880
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: BYDC Lion Sex is available in the dynamic front wheel

881
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: drive and the premium all wheel drive variants. It's really

882
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: fast as well. Do you want to know how fast

883
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: I've run out of time? You're gonna have to find

884
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: out for yourself. Go to byd Auto dot co dot

885
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: MZ Heather due to Allen so that I would be

886
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: very interested to know why the mother lost custody. I

887
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 2: also would be very interested to know why the mother

888
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: lost custody because remember Tom Phillips had custody then when

889
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: he went Bush, they took the custody off and they

890
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: didn't give it to the mum. Did they gave it

891
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: to ot or Engotomitiki? Why did that happen? Eighteen past five? Now,

892
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: the managing director of the buy Now, Pay Later service Layby,

893
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: says he's heartbroken and having to put the business into receivership.

894
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: Gary Rolloff founded Layby in twenty sixteen. You might remember

895
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: it really well in the pandemic, but then the business

896
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: ran into trouble recently and all of Gary's attempts to

897
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: sell it have failed. Carolyn Young is from Retail New

898
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: Zealand and with us. Now, Hey Carolyn, Charla, how are

899
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: you going very well? Thank you? Did you realize they

900
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: were in trouble.

901
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 24: No, I hadn't heard anything up until last week cussing.

902
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 24: At the end of last week there was some notifications

903
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 24: that went out to retailers.

904
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: What went wrong?

905
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 24: Well, I think they've kind of outlined most of it.

906
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 24: You know, they are working in a retail space where

907
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 24: you know, we are suffering with the chow around pressure

908
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 24: and the wallet lack of consumer confidence. You know, there's

909
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 24: arranged competition out in the marketplace, there's some consumer fraud

910
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 24: where there's issues in terms of profitability for the company,

911
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 24: and therefore those those things all have an impact on

912
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 24: where or not you can make these schemes work because

913
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 24: it's a triparthide arrangement between the consumer, the retailer, and

914
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 24: the buy now, say later scheme provider.

915
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: Is there also just like a mood, is something souring

916
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: for these kinds of products because the see Apple also

917
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: also shut its one down.

918
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 24: I think we are in a really difficult environment in

919
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 24: terms of retail and these are designed around retail environments.

920
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 24: So people just don't have the money in their wallet

921
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 24: and they're not prepared. Because you're buying on credit, it's

922
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 24: a higher rate than an ordinary credit card and it's

923
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 24: a credit transaction. So therefore, are you confident that you

924
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 24: will have your job in two or three months time

925
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 24: when you need to continue to make those payments and

926
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 24: complete those payments? Yes or no? And if the answer

927
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 24: is no, then you're probably not going to purchase the product.

928
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 24: So if you aren't buying ordinarily on your debit card

929
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 24: or if posscard or credit card, then you wouldn't be

930
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 24: buying through these mechanisms.

931
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 16: And we're seeing.

932
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 24: Continued low returns in terms of retail sales and consumer confidence.

933
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 24: So I think when you look at that in that sense,

934
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 24: just they're in the market the same as everybody else

935
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 24: and they're struggling in terms of that space.

936
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 2: Yes, really tough times. Hey, Carolyn, thank you so much.

937
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: Carolyn Young, Retail, New Zealand. I don't know if you've

938
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: you've probably seen this by now. This has been bubbling

939
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: along for a little bit and it got a little

940
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: bit of airtime. I think it was on TV three

941
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: last night. I think it was the shortage of HRT patches.

942
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: These are the hormone replacement therapy patches that women use

943
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: when they're going through menopaus or perimenopause or whatever, and

944
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: it just makes them go from being like psycho to

945
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: normal again, right, because it balances out the hormones. Anyway,

946
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: there is a global shortage of this stuff, and it's

947
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 2: got so stressful for women and so diet that women

948
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 2: are actually like cutting the patches in half in order

949
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: to kind of rational even into quarters in order to

950
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: ration them. So a little bit of hormone, but not

951
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: all the hormone, because it's better to be kind of

952
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: like mildly okay for four days rather than normal for

953
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: one day and then psycho again for three days. Anyway,

954
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: Samantha Newman is a GP who's all over this stuff.

955
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: She's gonna explain to us what is going on here

956
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: so we could just understand why we're in this position.

957
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: And she'll be with us in fifteen minutes. It's five

958
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 2: twenty one.

959
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Heather Duper Clan

960
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and use

961
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: dogs'd be.

962
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: Five twenty four. Hey, listen on principle, I really like

963
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: Nikola Willis's idea of performance pay for the chief executives

964
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 2: in the public sector. I don't know if you realize

965
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: it's actually not a new idea. I mean, we were

966
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: actually doing this until Jacinda's lot goddon and then Chris Hopkins,

967
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: who was the relevant minister, canceled it because you know,

968
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: extra pay for people. I don't like that idea. And

969
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 2: actually the extra pay was pretty generous. It was about

970
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: fifteen percent on top of base pay. Now, some of

971
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: those guys in the public sector get paid close to

972
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: seven hundred thousand dollars a year, so that's another one

973
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars if they strike their targets, which is

974
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: pretty good. Now. As to whether it works or not,

975
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: we'll have to see, but a cursory look at performance

976
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: would say it might have an impact because the public

977
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: sector was running a lot better before you cinder when

978
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: they had the public the performance pay, than they were

979
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: running under the cinder when they had no performance pay.

980
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: But generally, I would say the reason that I like

981
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: it is because it's a smart idea I think, just

982
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: in general, to try to get the public sector to

983
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: run a little bit more like the public sector like

984
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: the private sector. Sorry, and this is pretty standard stuff

985
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: for a private sector CEO. And the reason I say

986
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: that is because the private sector is just simply better

987
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: at doing what it does than the public sector is.

988
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: I mean, take, for example, a business that makes widgets.

989
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 4: Right.

990
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: The business's job is to make the best widgets at

991
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: the best price in order to make the most money.

992
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: The widget business knows that's its job in anything else's noise,

993
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: and they ignore it. The public sector, though, gets distracted

994
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: by everything all of the time, because I don't think

995
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: they really know what their job is all the time

996
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: or care enough. I mean, take the Reserve Bank, right,

997
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: The primary job of the Reserve Bank is to keep

998
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: the inflation rate between one and three percent. What did

999
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: they do? They got distracted by identifying as a tree

1000
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: and hiring diversity advisors. What has that got to do

1001
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: with the financial systems and the economics of the country.

1002
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: They were hiring diversity advisers just going off on any

1003
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 2: kind of fashionable issue that took their fancy inflation above

1004
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: seven percent. Ministry for education, the primary job is to

1005
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: teach our kids, right, get as many of them to

1006
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: achieve as higher grade as possible. What did they end

1007
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: up doing getting distracted by weirdo experiments like barn style

1008
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: open classrooms and letting children decide for themselves. What they

1009
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: want to learn, and what happened. Our kids' grades comparative

1010
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: to others in the world completely fell through the floor.

1011
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, how about we focus those public sector bosses

1012
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: back onto what they're actually employed to do. And I'll

1013
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: tell you what, Nothing focuses the mind like some.

1014
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: Extra money, Heather Duplicy, Ellen.

1015
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: Hither, it's been two years and the mother has only

1016
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: just decided to speak out. Has anybody got a pill

1017
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: for this kind of thing? Hither? I may be wrong,

1018
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: but I and I feel for the mum, But she

1019
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: sounded like she was reading a rehearsed speech that was

1020
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: written for her. The heartfelt mum was missing. Now I'm

1021
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: getting a lot of texts like that because I think

1022
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: all of us who are mums know that something's a

1023
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: bit funny here, don't we, Because if our kids were

1024
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: missing for two and a half years, I mean, you

1025
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: would have heard from me a long time ago, in

1026
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: graphic detail about what I was going to do to

1027
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: that father when I got a hold of him, and

1028
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: how I was going to saw that situation. Now, that

1029
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: would not be my first thing. My first thing would

1030
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: be I'd be crying and upset. Then I would start

1031
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: getting quite aggressive. So it's weird that the mum has

1032
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: been quiet for two and a half years, isn't it.

1033
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: And I just wonder, just judging by the number of

1034
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: people who are texting me saying, oh, I was on

1035
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: the fence, but now I really do not feel like

1036
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: I want those kids to come back. I feel like

1037
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 2: this may have been a little bit of a blunder

1038
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: from the cops because I'm not sure that this mum

1039
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 2: is convincing very many people. I look forward to hearing

1040
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: the full story here, don't you. Headline's next.

1041
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: Newsweakers talk to Heather First, Heather duple c Allen drive

1042
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: with One New Zealand. Let's get connected and you talk.

1043
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 11: That'd be too now be proud the new than.

1044
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 13: Funeral.

1045
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: Hey, if you're expecting a decision on the greyhound racing

1046
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: anytime soon, you need to cool your jets. I think

1047
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: we all were, because I mean, this was basically like

1048
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: a final decision stage. I think with Grant Robertson when

1049
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: he was the Sports and Recreation Minister or whatever, I

1050
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: don't really know anyway, change of government, new Minister Racing

1051
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: Minister Winston Peters and Winston has been before a Select

1052
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: committee today I think it's part of scrutiny week. And

1053
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: he said dogs love racing, and he said you need

1054
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: to watch them in the wild. To the other MPs

1055
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: and he said he's not going to make a decision

1056
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: anytime soon. He said he's going to make a decision

1057
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: maybe before the end of the year, but don't hold

1058
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: us to that. So anyway, I think we're all going

1059
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: to have to just like calm down and wait for Winston.

1060
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: Winston will take his time. He's going to be with

1061
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: us after six o'clock. We'll talk to him about that.

1062
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: Also talk to him about the government dropping his threat

1063
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: of defunding the community sports who include transgender athletes in

1064
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: their kind of the community level. Heather, my friend, who

1065
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: is a teacher at a small South Otago school, has

1066
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 2: told me that there are three principles away in Fiji

1067
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 2: with their husbands. Because of course you do that, wouldn't

1068
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 2: you if you got a free trip to the Hilton.

1069
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: First of all, you wouldn't be going to the Hilton.

1070
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: Didn't go to the Hilton. It's tired. I went there

1071
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: last year. I was disappointed. I thought, for five star,

1072
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: this looks a little bit like three and a half

1073
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: to be honest with you anyway you take the husband,

1074
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't you because in you only paying for one person's trip.

1075
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: Very good from you, Principles, well done. You're really making

1076
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: this jolly work for you. And also somebody's dubbed in

1077
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: a principle got the name right there, Thank you for that.

1078
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: We're not going to name until we can confirm because

1079
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 2: we're that kind of a show. We like to check

1080
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 2: things out first before we say things out loud. I know,

1081
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: and that might take you by surprise. But if you've

1082
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: got more names, just send them a nine two nine

1083
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: to two. Thank you very much. The huddle standing by

1084
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: twenty three away from six together now when new survey

1085
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: is revealing the reality of the HRT shortage in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: the survey is underwear at the moment. It's hearing experiences

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Speaker 2: from women who can't get the hands on these hormone

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Speaker 2: replacement therapy patches. They say. Some of them are saying

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Speaker 2: they have to cut down their remaining patches to ration them.

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Speaker 2: Some are getting really desperate. The global supply of estrogen

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Speaker 2: patches has been running out for a while now, and

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Speaker 2: farm at reckon this is going to continue into twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five Doctor Cement the Newman is a GP high

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Speaker 2: Samantha cra Why is there such a shortage?

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Speaker 25: Oh well, I think fundamentally there is a been less

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00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 25: that's been made, so it is worldwide. But the really

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Speaker 25: big issue here in New Zealand is that there's no

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Speaker 25: other options, so it's either transdermal patches or nothing that's funded.

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Speaker 25: So immediately it's unaffordable for many of our community, many

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Speaker 25: of our our users and those that need transdermal estrogen.

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Speaker 25: And also because it's unfunded and pharmacies aren't all out

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Speaker 25: to stock it, and us and my colleague as prescribers,

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Speaker 25: we're not as familiar with it and we've never had

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Speaker 25: guidance in how to use it and to be able

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Speaker 25: to really confidently explain to our patients to ensure they

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Speaker 25: have good health outcomes.

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Speaker 2: Why is Lisa it being made?

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Speaker 25: Well, they say it's because there's less yams, but I

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Speaker 25: think it's a bit of a combination of a production

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Speaker 25: line issue.

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Speaker 2: Would you say gams?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, it's made from yams who.

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Speaker 2: Do okay, So they have a shortage of gams.

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Speaker 25: Yeah yeah, and there's only I was there's one the

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Speaker 25: main the main factories are in Europe, and yeah, so

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Speaker 25: that's one of the one of the issues, and because

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Speaker 25: of the increased uptake in it, but I still think

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Speaker 25: there's a disconnect in that. People often think it's just

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Speaker 25: you know, it's an elixir for health that helps you

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Speaker 25: age well. But actually what I really, what I see

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Speaker 25: every day is women telling me they got their life back. Yeah,

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Speaker 25: it's helped people re engage in the workforce, it's helped

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Speaker 25: their relationships, and we know also it does have health

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Speaker 25: benefits too. But actually, really interestingly on my survey that

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Speaker 25: minimal people, like less than one percent are on it

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Speaker 25: for health benefits.

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Speaker 2: Now, women, if they can't get a hold of the patches,

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Speaker 2: can they not use estrogen pissories or something like.

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Speaker 25: That, Well, that's another issue together. So there is oral estrogen,

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Speaker 25: but it's a bit it's not as safe so that

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Speaker 25: automatically some people can't use it. There are some specific

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Speaker 25: ways of delivering estrogen systemically throughout the whole body, but

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Speaker 25: at the moment, the traditional ways in New Zealand are

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Speaker 25: actually for genital health, so not for kind of general

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Speaker 25: hormone replacement therapy. It's pelvic and vaginal health. For estrogen pessaries,

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Speaker 25: so it doesn't do the same thing as the patches

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Speaker 25: and the gels do all over the body.

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Speaker 2: I saw ticks coming from somebody earlier saying that they

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Speaker 2: had a whole bunch of the h T patches somewhere

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Speaker 2: down country in the South Island. Is there parts of

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Speaker 2: the country they have got stockpiles?

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Speaker 16: Ah?

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Speaker 25: I think I just don't know what to believe. I

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00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 25: think everybody doesn't really know where they're at. There's no consistency,

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00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 25: and one minute somebody has some one minute somebody has

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Speaker 25: some coming in or going out, and it just changes.

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Speaker 25: So it's really unreliable. And for a lot of these

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Speaker 25: users who are really vulnerable because each student impacts the

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00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 25: brain so significantly, it just further compounds this sphere and uncertainty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, saman that listen, thank you for you time. Really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it's meant the Newman GP the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand southby'st International Realty exceptional marketing for every property.

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Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening, We've got Ellie

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Speaker 2: Jones of redpr and Tim Wilson of the Maxim Institute.

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Speaker 2: Hi are you two get out? Very good? Thank you Tim,

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Speaker 2: Ellie what do you make of the government dropping the

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Speaker 2: threat to defund the community sports if they include transgender women.

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Speaker 26: Well, isn't this a complex issue? It's very complex complex.

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Speaker 26: I think what's important is inclusion, and I know that

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Speaker 26: that's come from virtually every comment I've heard and read

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Speaker 26: on this today, and that means including everyone who wants

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Speaker 26: to take part. But there's got to be some common sense.

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Speaker 26: As while I was reading what Raylen Castle, the head

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Speaker 26: of Sport New Zealand, was saying, and she was saying

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Speaker 26: that one size fits all approach across every code is

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Speaker 26: not appropriate, but she was pleased to see that particular

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Speaker 26: codes were sort of adjusting their positions depending on what.

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Speaker 2: The code was.

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Speaker 26: And I think that's really important. That's common sense. We

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Speaker 26: want inclusion, but we need safety and fairness. You know,

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Speaker 26: I can't emphasize how important it is, I think to

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Speaker 26: learn from diversity and being with different people, but you've

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Speaker 26: got to be in a safe and fair environment doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you feel like we've got that balance about

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Speaker 2: right at the moment? Tim Where you've got, for example,

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Speaker 2: boxing which has an open category, so you're not going

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Speaker 2: to have transgend to women boxing. You don't you know,

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Speaker 2: just women. You've got NRL, which is say, which allows

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Speaker 2: everybody to play together, but after thirteen you separate them out.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: That that that seems to be a good model, like

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Speaker 16: in a sense. And I've got to say, I'm not

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Speaker 16: sure that we value inclusion in our country as much

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Speaker 16: as fairness. I think that we're actually you know, I say,

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Speaker 16: we compare ourselves to America, where they value freedom. I

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Speaker 16: think in New Zealand we really do value fairness. Is

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Speaker 16: this a fair competition? And and look even in America,

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Speaker 16: for example, Leah Thomas banned by World Aquatics as the

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Speaker 16: transgender swimmer. So it's not it's not holding any weight there.

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Speaker 16: So I think I think we actually.

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Speaker 2: Tim Tim that is slightly different, right, because that's at

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Speaker 2: the elite level, and what we're talking, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think we're all kind of accepted that the rules are

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Speaker 2: that at the elite level, transgender women do not compete

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Speaker 2: against women. But at the community level is a bit different,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 16: Well, are you say so you're saying that winning doesn't

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Speaker 16: matter at the community level.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, are you that competitive?

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Speaker 7: But no?

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Speaker 16: But seriously, I was at a soccer tournament on Sunday,

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Speaker 16: and my son Roman's team got through to the final.

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Speaker 16: And they got there okay by Roman George Wilson scoring

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Speaker 16: the winning goal, but there's some other stories. They got there,

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Speaker 16: they got there and they lost and they were crushed.

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Speaker 16: And I just saw and the cat It's like, why

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Speaker 16: do we play sport at a community level? I got

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Speaker 16: to say, we probably played a win not necessarily to include.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Tim, No, that's fair, that is fair. But

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Speaker 2: I would argue that you are going to get very

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Speaker 2: very few transgender athletes at a community level, right, and

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Speaker 2: the few that there are will probably balance out. Like

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Speaker 2: if there was a transgender woman in my indoor netball team,

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Speaker 2: she'd probably be balancing out the dug that I roped

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Speaker 2: in from the office just to fill the numbers, do

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 16: Well, yeah, maybe, But that's why I'd say, let's just

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Speaker 16: have an inclusion league where everyone agrees on the rules.

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Speaker 16: In this temper, I think we're tampering with the rules

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Speaker 16: for all the expectations.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you think make an open category for every

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Speaker 2: single one of these sports so that you can have

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Speaker 2: this kind of like this is your fun and games

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00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: category everybody's in there.

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Speaker 16: If you want to do that, Yeah, yeah, yeah you can,

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Speaker 16: then I could probably play.

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Speaker 2: Tim. Nobody's gonna have you on their team. I mean

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Speaker 2: you know that right, You know that there's no nobody

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Speaker 2: will ever balance out the young cod that you bring in.

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Speaker 2: And we'll take a break with these, do Tim Wilson

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Speaker 2: and Ali Jones and will come back talk about Lindy

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Speaker 2: Moore to get through actually sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: and results.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle, Tim Wilson, Ali Jones, Tim, what do you

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Speaker 2: make of the eighty principles on holiday or I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: Professional leadership development at the Hilton and Fiji?

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Speaker 16: Oh, I don't mind. I think principles run What do

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Speaker 16: they do there? Many of them run multimillion dollar enterprises

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00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 16: six k to go and do some PD. It's not

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Speaker 16: the end of the world for me.

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Speaker 2: Come on, you don't think they're actually learning anything?

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Speaker 10: Do you?

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Speaker 16: Well they're doing once the provider's been in the business

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Speaker 16: eleven years. I think actually we do have a bit

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Speaker 16: of a you know, we have a nishe you would

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Speaker 16: leadership in our country and principle as a leaders they

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Speaker 16: need to get better at it and it's a fun

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Speaker 16: for it. Is that what we're arguing about the efficacy

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Speaker 16: or the fact that the funds are moral in some way?

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Speaker 2: We're arguing about the rules. I think being too loose.

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Speaker 2: Ali restore some common sense. You tell me you don't

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Speaker 2: agree with Tim?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 26: No, I don't agree with that, Tim, honestly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 26: No, I do think that they need to be able

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Speaker 26: to go away and go get some professional development and

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Speaker 26: so forth. But you know, I think five grand for

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Speaker 26: five nights in a place without flights is just hugely expensive.

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Speaker 26: I don't have a problem with this kind of course

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Speaker 26: for principles, they work hard. I agree with Tim. They

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Speaker 26: are absolutely critical to schools and the leadership and schools.

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Speaker 26: But I think the costs are unreasonable. You know, was

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Speaker 26: there a more cost effective way to do this? Do

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Speaker 26: they have to be in a five star resort and

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Speaker 26: feed your stayed at the Hillton? It's bloody flash. But

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Speaker 26: I mean they could have gone somewhere in Australia.

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Speaker 6: They did.

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Speaker 16: I didn't think it was that flash.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did you go in the eighties or nineties?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 26: We were there two years ago, three years ago. It

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Speaker 26: was fabulous. We must have had the referbed version.

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Speaker 2: Were you in the adult's only part?

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Speaker 22: Oh, madam, excuse me, we're having.

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Speaker 2: A middle last conversation about our overseas holiday. Is nothing

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Speaker 2: wrong with that?

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Speaker 24: We had.

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Speaker 2: Problem with Ali. He can't afford anything because he had

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Speaker 2: five hundred children and that's his life forever. Just four,

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Speaker 2: just four, jeez, and one.

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Speaker 16: Of them, one of them is an incredible athletes obviously gets.

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Speaker 2: Those genes from his mother. Ali. Tell me about your

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Speaker 2: HRT patches? Are you cutting them in half a quarter?

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Speaker 26: No, you're not allowed to cut them in half?

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Speaker 10: Have not heard this?

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Speaker 26: You meant to cut them diagonally? Now I will say that. Actually,

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Speaker 26: my GP pro med and christ sent an email out

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Speaker 26: last night. God bless them. How's that for proactive communication.

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Speaker 2: With your with your patients.

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Speaker 26: It says, because you're on the patches, we're contacting you

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Speaker 26: to tell you this, and they ran through all the options.

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Speaker 26: So I know about the gel, I know about all

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Speaker 26: the other stuff. It still doesn't help me, though, because

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Speaker 26: I am a lunatic. Without them, not in an angry,

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Speaker 26: crazy kind of a way. I get terrible brain fog.

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Speaker 26: So you know, women are affected in different ways. What

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Speaker 26: I don't get, Heather, is my sister's in Australia. They

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Speaker 26: have their in the Victoria government. I looked at their website.

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Speaker 26: They've got a list of transdermal patches and they're the

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Speaker 26: list is far greater than us.

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Speaker 2: They have no shortage.

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Speaker 26: The dates that are communicated to their people over there

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Speaker 26: is that the shortage will be over by the fifteenth

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Speaker 26: to the twentieth of June. What the hell is.

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Speaker 2: Going on in New Zealand? Well, I mean, really, what

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Speaker 2: is going on in New Zealand. That's a very good

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Speaker 2: question and somebody needs to ask that question, somebody in power, Tim,

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Speaker 2: do you want to get involved in the hormone replacement

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Speaker 2: therapy conversation?

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Speaker 16: Sure, I think it sounds like another reason to migrate

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Speaker 16: to Australia. But they do gels, tablets and sprays and.

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Speaker 2: The women are less crazy.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I'm not No, No, the women are not

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Speaker 16: less I would say the women are probably more crazy

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Speaker 16: in Australia. I like New Zealand women. I think you're

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Speaker 16: all awesome. But yeah, I think, well, what what?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 16: What seems to be powering this a bit. It's a

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Speaker 16: supply issue. But I wonder in New Zealand because it

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Speaker 16: doubled over two years, so one point three million and

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Speaker 16: twenty twenty one to three million patches in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 16: Is this a demographic thing? Is this an aging population?

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Speaker 2: It could well be.

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Speaker 26: That's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And also maybe if I'm extra stink at his

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Speaker 2: job like that wouldn't be the first time. Tim, Do

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Speaker 2: you like the idea of performance pay for public sector bosses?

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Speaker 16: Yeah? I think I do. I do because, as you

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Speaker 16: were saying in your editory, we want the public service

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Speaker 16: to perform as well as the private private sector, and

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Speaker 16: eighty eight percent of the largest standard and pores count

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Speaker 16: you know firms, they have a performance based pay. The

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Speaker 16: question though, is what what one of the KPU are KPIs?

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Speaker 16: What are we shooting at? Because you want long term viability?

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01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 16: And another entry sinks that the average shareholder returns are

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Speaker 16: higher from the lower paid CEOs than from the higher

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Speaker 16: paid CEO. So it's it is a bit of a

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Speaker 16: you know, you've got to sort it out. But in

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Speaker 16: the KPIs I think we'll get the viability.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Alie, what are you right? What do you think?

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Speaker 26: Well, what I'm worried about I agree with him with

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Speaker 26: the KPIs, but I do think too that the resulting

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Speaker 26: bonuses have got to be reasonable. I think I heard

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Speaker 26: you say in your editorial piece, Heather, that you know,

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Speaker 26: if you're earning seven hundred K, be up around one

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Speaker 26: hundred KS as a bonus. I don't think that's acceptable.

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Speaker 26: I think that, you know, performance pay bonuses are important.

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Speaker 26: I think they show that people are valued, you know,

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Speaker 26: and when you hear Chris Hipkins are saying things like,

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Speaker 26: you know, what's important is that our public service is

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Speaker 26: motivated by the spirit of community. I mean, honestly, that's

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Speaker 26: like something out of a needed Blighting book. But I

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Speaker 26: really do think that we have to be very careful

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Speaker 26: about what people are receiving bonuses because it doesn't look

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Speaker 26: good and it's not great at the moment, so it's

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Speaker 26: got to be fair and reasonable.

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Speaker 2: Guys, thank you, it's great to talk to the pair

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Speaker 2: of you and Ali. Good luck with the HRT patches

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Speaker 2: and making them last. It's Tim Wilson and Allie Jones

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Speaker 2: are huddle this evening. It's coming up seven away from

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Speaker 2: six upon.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in your

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Speaker 1: car on your drive home. Heather Duplice allan drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand one giant leap for business news talk

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Speaker 1: as it'd be.

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Speaker 2: Hither, the reason that HRT has doubled in three years

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Speaker 2: is that in the last few years is that three

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Speaker 2: years ago the myth that it was harmful and cancer

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Speaker 2: causing was debunked in a documentary which actually would explain it,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't it. If everybody's being a bit careful beforehand, then

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01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 2: suddenly it's not such a worry. You want to get

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Speaker 2: your hands on this stuff. Heither, the money that's been

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Speaker 2: given to the Principles is actually called the well Being Fund.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is. That tells you everything. But you got

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Speaker 2: to understand, right, this is one of those little, lovely

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Speaker 2: little things that we got into where we were like,

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Speaker 2: look at all this Look here's some money. It's for

1382
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: well being and you can just spend it. However, you like,

1383
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: we got really loose with the cash for a while there.

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Speaker 2: Now we're living with the consequences of like loose cash,

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Speaker 2: loose spending. The idea is a great idea because all

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Speaker 2: principles deserve professional leadership development, but the execution is stuffed

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Speaker 2: because somebody was a little bit too free with cash.

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Speaker 2: Hither the Fiji Hilton is a dump. Hither I have

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Speaker 2: a villa at the Hilton. It's not three and a

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Speaker 2: half starts more than that. I'm there next week, which

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Speaker 2: is the best place for R and R restaurants are awesome,

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Speaker 2: saland enjoy yourself while you're there, because this is the

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Speaker 2: time of year to be getting out of New Zealand

1394
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Speaker 2: and going to the Fiji if you want to go

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Speaker 2: to the Fiji at any stage, because the winter sucks,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it anyway, speaking of going places in New Zealand,

1397
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Speaker 2: because in New Zealand, obviously, as we know is on

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Speaker 2: this trip with the Prime Minister has just announced today

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Speaker 2: from Japan that it's going to boost capacity to Japan,

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Speaker 2: going to start flying the Boeing Triple seven there and

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Speaker 2: those are obviously but bigger, which means that they can

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Speaker 2: add another thirty thousand seats on the Tokyo route in

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Speaker 2: between November and March, part of a big push into

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Speaker 2: Asia that they're going better, like bigger services to Singapore,

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Speaker 2: bigger services to Taipei as well, and it's obviously because

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Speaker 2: North America is not working for them anymore. Because there's

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Speaker 2: so much competition there. And it's cool that they're going

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Speaker 2: to Japan because Japan is if you want to go

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Speaker 2: somewhere for a like a cool experience with cool people around,

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Speaker 2: and it's sophisticated, first world and just but also different

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Speaker 2: because it's a different culture. I could not recommend Japan

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Speaker 2: more highly. We're going to talk to Brad Olson actually

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Speaker 2: about that. He'll be with us just about quarter past

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Speaker 2: six or thereabouts, talking about the economic opportunities, economic opportunities

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Speaker 2: that we have between ourselves in Japan. And then earlier

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Speaker 2: in the program it was telling you the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 2: of Australia had held the official cash rate at four

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Speaker 2: point three five percent, but they are now in the

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Speaker 2: same place that we were just a few months ago,

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Speaker 2: where the Reserve Bank governor is leaving open the option

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Speaker 2: for actually putting the official cash rate up. So Paul

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Speaker 2: Bloxham is with us just after the half by six

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Speaker 2: news to talk us through what's going on there.

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Speaker 27: Winston Peter's next, what's down, what were the major calls

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Speaker 27: and how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 1: Business questions on the Business Hour, we've hit the duplicy

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Speaker 1: Allen and my Hr on news.

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Speaker 2: Talks av even in coming up in the next hour,

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Speaker 2: Paul Bloxham of HSBC on whether Ossie interest rates might

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Speaker 2: yet go up again, Brad Olsen on the opportunities for

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Speaker 2: US in Japan and Indebrady's with us out of the

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Speaker 2: UK before the end of this hour. Right now it's

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Speaker 2: seven past six. Now it looks like any decision on

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01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 2: whether to ban greyhound racing or not as a while

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Speaker 2: away yet. The Racing Minister appeared before before a Select

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Speaker 2: committee as part of scrutiny week this morning, has said

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Speaker 2: he would make a call by the end of the year,

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Speaker 2: but not to hold him to that. Deputy Prime Ministertan

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Speaker 2: Racing Minister Winston Peters is with us now evening. Winston,

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Speaker 2: why is it taking so long to make a call.

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Speaker 20: Because we had at the end of the last decade

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Speaker 20: the Handsome Report which was very informative as to what

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Speaker 20: was going on, and the industry was then unnotice and

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Speaker 20: I've come back in the last six months. We've been

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Speaker 20: monitoring things very very carefully, watching what is happening and

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Speaker 20: getting further updates and we will make the call when

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Speaker 20: we at a clear view that is sustainable in a

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Speaker 20: court of law as the right decision where if will

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Speaker 20: make such a decision.

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Speaker 2: Is there a possibility that if it was to be banned,

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Speaker 2: the industry would sue the government.

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Speaker 20: Well, with possibility if you got the process wrong it

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Speaker 20: was an adequate, it could be called to account for that.

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Speaker 20: We do not want that to be a waste of

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Speaker 20: taxpayers money.

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Speaker 2: Right are you saying because they've been put on notice,

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01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: they've been given a chance to improve. If they show

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Speaker 2: signs of improvement, you can't do it. So are they

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Speaker 2: showing signs of improvement?

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Speaker 15: Well?

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Speaker 20: Again, when i's got to be neutral about this, I've

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Speaker 20: got people surveying seen on a weekly basis finding out

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Speaker 20: what is happening and whether they are improvements, and in

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Speaker 20: a time very soon, you know, the next few months,

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01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 20: will have a very clear picture and know where we

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Speaker 20: should make and what we should do with this industry.

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Speaker 2: Do you watch the sport?

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Speaker 20: I can't say that I have. Well, I do remember

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Speaker 20: the American expression of going to the dogs, which is

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Speaker 20: that what it means?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, fair enough. Hey, what happened to the

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Speaker 2: threat to defund the sports bodies that include transgender women

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Speaker 2: at the community level?

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Speaker 20: Not a threat? There was a Coalition agreement, an announcement

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Speaker 20: made over six months ago. So what we expected in

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Speaker 20: terms of fairness were women and girls in this country

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Speaker 20: when they came to sport, no one's ruling anybody out,

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Speaker 20: and they want to have their own sport amongst themselves. Fine,

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Speaker 20: But when it comes to safety and the question of fairness,

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Speaker 20: where they get very clear. We want to ensure that

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Speaker 20: the sport that people play in is not preferentially treated

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Speaker 20: because someone has a biological advantage unfairly over the other

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Speaker 20: contestants who are female.

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Speaker 2: Right, So let me get this right. So the threat

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Speaker 2: to defund was only if they were not making sure

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Speaker 2: it was safe and fair. Yes, but only twenty nine

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Speaker 2: percent of them are actually doing something about the seventy

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Speaker 2: one percent of the sports haven't even addressed it yet.

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Speaker 2: They're busy thinking about it. Is that good enough?

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Speaker 20: Well, look, it's been a rather busy time. The ego

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01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 20: economies in trouble. As we know, people are hard up

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Speaker 20: against it, and so you can see why they might

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Speaker 20: be delayed. But we made it very clear at the

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Speaker 20: very beginning what we expected, and we believe that that

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Speaker 20: is the only fear logical and reasonable thing to expect.

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Speaker 20: Particularly when taxpayers money is being used.

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Speaker 2: How long have they got before they are in trouble

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Speaker 2: with you guys?

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Speaker 20: Well, I say, and also the administer Bishop has also

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Speaker 20: made this expression that we're closely monitoring developments and then

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Speaker 20: we will see how things are.

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Speaker 2: Have you communicated to them how long they've gone?

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Speaker 20: Well, you know what a thought that when you got

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01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 20: information at the formation of the last government, and that

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Speaker 20: was clear that you would start addressing those issues. And

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Speaker 20: so we'll be asking them, so what have you done? If,

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Speaker 20: of course there have not been occasions in their sport

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Speaker 20: where that has happened, it won't be concerned to them.

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Speaker 2: Can you point to any example, Winston, that you can

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Speaker 2: think of where you think that transgender I mean women,

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Speaker 2: transgender young kids playing against others is an unsafe thing

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Speaker 2: at the moment.

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Speaker 20: Well, I can refer to the loyal habitation recall how

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Speaker 20: people were quite out racily on fairness of.

1515
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 2: That, but that was it illegal?

1516
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 20: Well yes, but they all had a level as sooner

1517
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 20: or later. And it doesn't matter whether it's happening on

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 20: the school playground at a certain age. If a person

1519
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 20: is going to be unfairly injured because some compareditor has

1520
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 20: gott wetter biological strength. Now who should not be on

1521
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 20: the second sports field? Then it's time, surely in the

1522
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 20: interest of parents and fairness to act.

1523
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, hey, listen, we should buy a plane, shouldn't

1524
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: We should buy a couple of planes. We're at that

1525
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: stage now, aren't we.

1526
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 20: Let me say that. The reason why I hate in

1527
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 20: my view, it's just my view, but having usked experts

1528
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 20: both here and internationally while that plan is not performing

1529
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 20: and so they say it's not being used nearly enough,

1530
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 20: and we should have been doing that and making sure

1531
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 20: we're looking after this equipment I know, thirty years old. Yeah,

1532
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 20: but look, we've got other planes that were flying around

1533
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,799
Speaker 20: much longer than that. There would be in museums elsewhere,

1534
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 20: and we're still flying them. Our point is to get

1535
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 20: this thing sorted out. So you've sort of inherit that

1536
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 20: drag has been happening for some time and it shouldn't

1537
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 20: go on. I just feel pretty sorry for the Prime Minister,

1538
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 20: but particularly his guests on that plane. We've had to

1539
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 20: make alternsive arrangement totally.

1540
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 2: I'll give you some numbers though, right, So maintaining these

1541
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: two planes at the moment is costing US thirty five

1542
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 2: million bucks a year. You can buy a plane for

1543
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: thirty five million bucks a year. So just from a

1544
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 2: financial perspective, it would be smarter for us to ditch

1545
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 2: these and just buy new ones, wouldn't it.

1546
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 20: Well, the real question is why are these planes not performing?

1547
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 20: Why are simple things going wrong? And we need to

1548
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 20: get to the bottom of that now and get a

1549
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 20: few sort of independent experts in people who of us

1550
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 20: talking to a very wealthy usual busism and recently on

1551
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 20: this very issue. He's got the same plane, he said, Winston,

1552
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 20: make no mistake, they're not using it enough. That's why

1553
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 20: it's not working the way that should. It's never got fault.

1554
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 2: Did you ask him if he can buy us a plane?

1555
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 20: I didn't, and that's because, let me tell you whatever,

1556
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 20: I haven't got a thority to make that sort of request.

1557
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 20: We don't do those lists of things. We're an experienced politician.

1558
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:24,839
Speaker 20: We don't have that way.

1559
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: You look, the gift alls in the mouth. If he's

1560
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: a rich, rich guy living in Singapore and might be

1561
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 2: able to help us out, hey, thank you very much, Winston,

1562
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: look after yourself. Enjoy the evening. It's Winston Peter's racing Minister.

1563
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 2: We're at that stage, aren't we. We've got to ask

1564
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 2: wealthy expats if they could spring us a plane because

1565
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 2: we can't do it ourselves. Listen on the warehouse. I'm

1566
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 2: fascinated by the warehouse and what's been going on there,

1567
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 2: because jeez, that's a business that went from being pretty

1568
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: okay to just really quickly, didn't it. Big Claire out

1569
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: of the Sea Suite going on there at the moment,

1570
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: because obviously you already know that Nick Grayston, the CEO,

1571
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: left last month. That's not enough, right because Nick Grayston

1572
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 2: was only one person sitting in the Sea Suite helping

1573
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 2: to turn that business into an absolute calamity. Who are

1574
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: a bunch of other people in the C suite who

1575
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 2: will be making decisions as well. So they've got the

1576
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: member of the board who's now stepped into the acting

1577
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: capacity as the CEO. He's running the show quite well

1578
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: by the looks of things. He's announced that they're disestablishing

1579
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 2: six of the nine group executive leadership roles, so they've

1580
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: got nine. Six are going to go. They're keeping four

1581
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 2: of them and they're going to put them into new roles.

1582
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 2: Two of them gone Chief sales and Customer Officer Jonathan

1583
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: Wacker and Chief Information Officer Edwin Gere fourteen past six.

1584
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dup

1585
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: c Allen with the business hours thanks to my HR,

1586
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME on NEWSTALKSB.

1587
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: Seventeen past six now in New Zealand has announced a

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 2: BERG push into Asia. They're going to add thirty thousand

1589
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 2: seats to the Tokyo route between November and March. The

1590
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 2: chief executive, Greg four And, made it to Japan just

1591
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: in time for the announcement, says they're going to be

1592
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 2: flying more Boeing Triple sevens to Tokyo, which allows them

1593
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 2: to add the seat capacity. Brad Olsen is informed Principle

1594
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 2: economist Ty brad Good evening, Bred, you know, I reckon

1595
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: not enough of us realized what a cool destination Japan

1596
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 2: actually is.

1597
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 6: No, but I think a lot of us want to.

1598
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 6: And it is interesting.

1599
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 4: You know.

1600
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 6: Greg Laran was talking at this announcement and saying, look,

1601
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 6: it's we're putting on more planes because there's more demand.

1602
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 6: New analysis out today from the Asian New Zealand Foundation

1603
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,879
Speaker 6: shows that that's actually true of a lot of Kiwis

1604
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,799
Speaker 6: are the top destination for Kiwis that Kiwis are interested

1605
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 6: in visiting is Japan are whopping? Sixty six percent of

1606
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 6: us want to head over and have a bit of

1607
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 6: a look. Also a great time to do it, you know,

1608
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 6: when the end's a bit weak and it's a bit

1609
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 6: cheaper to go over. I myself was over there earlier

1610
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 6: this year. It was fantastic. There's so much culture, There's

1611
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 6: so much I mean the food, Let's be clear. The

1612
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 6: Foundation's results also show that us kiwi's we're keen on

1613
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 6: going and having a look at food. Mostly our culture

1614
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 6: and all the other bits are important, but food's a

1615
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 6: real big one for us. But it's exciting. I think

1616
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 6: the other thing, right is it's not just Japan. Obviously,

1617
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 6: the Prime Minister's there at the moment in New Zealand

1618
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 6: also wanting to add more capacity into a number of

1619
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 6: other routes over that sort of winter period in parts

1620
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 6: of Asia. So it's just opening up those opportunities at

1621
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,440
Speaker 6: a time when New Zealanders are becoming more confident understanding

1622
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 6: what's happening in Asia and by the looks, so that

1623
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 6: we really do want to get there and have a

1624
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 6: look ourselves.

1625
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean it's one thing to go over

1626
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: there and have a fantastic time, but we want their money.

1627
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: So what can we get from them?

1628
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,759
Speaker 6: Well, I mean we certainly get a lot from them already.

1629
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 6: I mean, yes, we're trying to get more of those

1630
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 6: tourists coming through, certainly from Japan. I think it's only

1631
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 6: at about half of those pre pandemic levels. If you

1632
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 6: look at some of the trade numbers that we get

1633
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 6: from them. I mean Japan's like our fourth biggest trading

1634
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 6: partner over the last year. So again, you know, huge

1635
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 6: in terms of those opportunities and something that you know

1636
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 6: New Zealand when it comes to trade, we are thinking

1637
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 6: a little bit more strategically going forward. Japan's also the

1638
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 6: friendliest country in Asia if you ask in New Zealanders.

1639
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 6: Whereas the likes of China, which is still the most important.

1640
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 6: It's got the greatest influence. A total of eighty two

1641
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 6: percent of kiwis reckon that China is the most influential country,

1642
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 6: but they're sort of a bit more of a split

1643
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 6: over is its friend or foe. It's obviously got a

1644
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 6: big influence, but a bit more of a splittle mixed view.

1645
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 6: So I think it is interesting. We're becoming more nuanced,

1646
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 6: We're getting out and about across the world, and I

1647
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 6: think it's encouraging to see not only government but private

1648
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 6: sector who are looking at some of these numbers and

1649
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 6: going actually, there's real business opportunities. We can get Kiwi's

1650
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 6: over there to experience it. We can get people from

1651
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 6: over in Asia here to New Zealand to buy our products,

1652
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 6: to see what's going on. It's all a good news

1653
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 6: story to the moment, Brad.

1654
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: When you went over, did you go over for the food,

1655
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 2: like the cultural experience? Did you go over with skiing?

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01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 6: I didn't go for the skiing only because I'm a

1657
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 6: house and safety recify go skiing, So I went for

1658
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 6: all the other opportunities there trying to do some of

1659
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 6: that sort of stuff, you know, but food and culture

1660
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 6: was much more important to me.

1661
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool. The hotel rooms are tiny a.

1662
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 6: They are, but to be fair, there's so much to see.

1663
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 6: You don't need to be in the hotel rooms. You know,

1664
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 6: you go back in for your sleep and then you're

1665
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 6: up early in the morning, but especially because a little

1666
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 6: bit of jet leg, you go and find you know,

1667
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 6: a seven eleven to go and grab something from quickly,

1668
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,799
Speaker 6: you go for a walk around, you find another restaurant.

1669
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 6: I mean there's Rahm and galore. You don't you can

1670
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 6: order it all from a machine on the side. I

1671
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 6: mean it is fantastic. And look, we are seeing more

1672
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 6: Kiwis now who are heading over compared to pre pandemic.

1673
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 6: Given that a two thirds of us want to go

1674
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 6: to Japan, I think there'll be a lot more of

1675
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 6: us looking snap those ticket and touches.

1676
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,919
Speaker 2: Are they still smoking inside?

1677
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 6: I didn't see any of that personally, I think that,

1678
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 6: I mean there's a lot more sort of I felt

1679
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 6: there was a lot sort of more respect that with

1680
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 6: some of those things. You know, people were definitely smoking

1681
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 6: in more designated areas, a bit more outside. Definitely not

1682
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 6: as hardcore as I think it probably would have been

1683
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 6: in the nineties.

1684
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, or even in the twenty tens. I'll tell you, Brad,

1685
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 2: thank you mate, Really good to talk to you, Brad orso.

1686
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 2: And for METRICX principle economists, I reckon I went there,

1687
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: like I want to say, maybe twelve years ago, so

1688
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 2: so it's a little bit it's a bit dated now.

1689
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: I'm actually do another trip there, but yeah, they were

1690
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: smoking inside and around. At that point you go into

1691
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 2: this tiny little bar, you get your suck eys, sit

1692
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: down to little restaurant and fagging away. And because I

1693
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 2: was younger, I didn't really care. But probably now you'd

1694
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 2: be like, wouldn't you, Because you're at that age now

1695
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: you could just hard out be a Karen. Why wouldn't

1696
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: I be? Now, speaking of Karen's, although I did, that's unfair.

1697
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: That is unfair, and I withdraw and apologize immediately for

1698
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 2: having said that. I need to tell you about the realist,

1699
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: that agent who refused to comply with the compulsory teacung.

1700
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 2: Of course she was in court today, well, her lawyers

1701
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 2: were in court today in the High Court to give

1702
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 2: you the details. Shortly six twenty two your.

1703
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: Rural report on the heather duper see Alan Drive with

1704
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,959
Speaker 1: An'sko Foods, New Zealand's Finest Beef.

1705
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 2: And Lamb six twenty four and Jamie McKay Hosts of

1706
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 2: the Countries with Us. Jamie, Hello, good a hey, I

1707
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 2: like the sound of the zespre campaign. You reckon it's

1708
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: going to work?

1709
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 15: Well, I think so. I mean it's it's wonder food

1710
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 15: really zes spree this time of the year. I absolutely

1711
01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 15: love it. Heather on the consistently every morning for breakfast

1712
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 15: to Kiwi fruit goals.

1713
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but are you Are you getting kywy fruit? That's

1714
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 2: ripe because where I am in Central Auckland as hard

1715
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 2: as a rock man.

1716
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 15: And that's just the way I like it, Heather. I

1717
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 15: like green apples and i like green gold Kiwi fruit,

1718
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 15: so I'm as happy as Larry. You don't want to

1719
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 15: soft and mushy, really, I.

1720
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 2: Don't want it to be softer mushy. I'm with you.

1721
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 2: That's nasty, but like it is like.

1722
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 15: A rock well, yes and no, it's as long as

1723
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 15: you can get your spoon in there, Heather Sea spoon

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Speaker 15: having cut it in half. I think it's it's fair

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Speaker 15: game to be fair.

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Speaker 2: To get it. I'm going to get a few biceps

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01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: for that. So basically what the campaign is is they're

1728
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 2: trying to get people around the world to swap out

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01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 2: one unhealthy food and swap in a healthy food in

1730
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 2: its replacement, hopefully a Kiwi fruit.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it was this campaign was

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01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 15: launched in Japan when he finally got there by our

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Speaker 15: Prime Minister Chrystopher Luxon along with Cespry. The interesting fact

1734
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 15: out of this story, Heather, what I found it interesting anyhow,

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01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 15: As I said, they launched it in Japan, which has

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Speaker 15: some of the lowest consumption of fresh fruit globally. And

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Speaker 15: I thought Japan, and I've been there once and loved

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01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 15: their food. It seemed very very healthy to me. And

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01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 15: I didn't note a lack of fresh fruit and veggies.

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01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 15: So there you go. I mean, the sky's the limits

1741
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 15: for kiwi fruit and our apples and our horticultural products

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01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 15: in Japan. And I think Todd McClay, who I chatted

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01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 15: the Today on the Country and Prime Minister Luxe and

1744
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 15: are doing a good job, you know, rustling up some

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01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 15: business for end Z and go over that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Now what are we expecting from the

1747
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 2: GDT auction?

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Speaker 15: Wow, mine's greater than mine. Namely Mike McIntire, the guy

1749
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 15: he's a chart and he says, look the futures markets.

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01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 15: This is the second GDT auction of the new season.

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01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 15: By the way, the futures market is dispointing for a

1752
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 15: little a little more than a one percent fall in

1753
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 15: the powders, closer to five percent in the fats, but

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01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 15: I mean calling for that all year, it hasn't. In fact,

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01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 15: one of those fat categories AMS has been up twenty

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01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 15: auctions in a row. So Mike con sooner or later

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01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 15: they're going to be right and it will come off

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01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 15: its lofty highs. It's interesting that we're heading into the

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01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 15: last low auction volumes before moving into the peak, and

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01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,839
Speaker 15: this is the Northern Hemisphere peak, but offshore infantry outside

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01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 15: of China, where they seem to be making plenty of

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01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 15: it at the moment, remains fairly tight. So Mike's hoping

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01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 15: that maybe that's futures markets are wrong as they have

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01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 15: been in recent weeks, and we get yet another positive

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Speaker 15: global dairy trade auction tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how good would that be? Jamie? Thank you so much.

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01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 2: Enjoy Kiev for it. Tomorrow's Jimmy mcaigh, Host of the Country.

1768
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 2: Hey listen to this, okay. Kevin Costner has admitted he

1769
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 2: wants to do John Dutton and Yellowstone again because he

1770
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 2: famously had a falling out with Taylor Sheridan, the show's creator,

1771
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: and hasn't been back. And so they've done the first

1772
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 2: half of season five and he was in it, and

1773
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 2: now they're doing the second half of seven season five

1774
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 2: without Aimnut and that's not going to work. You know

1775
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 2: that's not going to work. So fingers crossed they allow

1776
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: Kevin to come back. It would be so good with

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01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 2: a minute right, Headline's next.

1778
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:06,799
Speaker 1: Sure everything from SMEs to the big corporates. Her Business

1779
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen and my HR, the HR

1780
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 1: platform for SME US talk said.

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Speaker 28: Bad l Brady is going to be with us in

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01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 28: ten minutes time.

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01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 2: Nigel Farage has announced that he wants to run for

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01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: the Prime ministership in five years time. So and it

1785
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: will give us has taken whether this is just a

1786
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 2: pipe dream or a possibility. I mean, where do things

1787
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: have happened? Boris was there, so you know who knows. Anyway,

1788
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 2: we'll get that take from him shortly. Paul Bloxham standing

1789
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: by as I told you yesterday, that real estate agent

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01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 2: who refused to comply with the refused to do the

1791
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 2: compulsory t kung A Mahdi course to retain her license

1792
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 2: was in court today and her lawyer, Niki Pender, told

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01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 2: the court that Janet Dixon had had a thirty year

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01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: career in real estate and had faced no disciplinary act,

1795
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 2: so like a model estate agent. Basically just didn't want

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01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: to do the course, didn't believe it was lawful, didn't

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01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 2: think it was relevant to her work, thought it breached

1798
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 2: her rights. She said, this is the lawyer. She said,

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01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: Dixon hadn't misbehaved, didn't pose a threat to the public,

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01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 2: so shouldn't be struck off as a real estate agent.

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01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 2: And it is a completely disproportionate punishment to take her

1802
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 2: license off her because she doesn't want to do a

1803
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 2: te kung A Maori course. Here here that is true.

1804
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 2: Apparently there are, as I told you yesterday, ninety two

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01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 2: other real estate agents who are also refusing to do

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01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: the course. Apparently, also, her legal fees have been paid

1807
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 2: by supporters who've donated through the lobby group Hobson's Pledge,

1808
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 2: and it sounds like they may have donated as much

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01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 2: as fifty thousand dollars. Well that's at least what Hobson's

1810
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 2: Sledge were asking for, fifty thousand dollars, and by the

1811
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 2: looks of things, the lawyer's fees appear to have been

1812
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 2: covered now. The judicial review last I checked, was due

1813
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 2: to finish today, so presumably that's happened. Decision will be reserved,

1814
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 2: so we'll just have to wait for that basically, and

1815
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 2: when it comes out, you absolutely can be sure we

1816
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 2: will be talking about it on the show twenty three

1817
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: Away from seven Together. The Aussie Reserve Bank has kept

1818
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 2: the official cash rate over there on hold four point

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01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 2: three percent. The banks is inflation in Australia is easy,

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01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 2: but it is more slow than expected, and on the

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01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 2: path of interest rates, it's not ruling anything in or out.

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01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 2: Paul Bloxham is hspecies chief economist at paul Ay. Does

1823
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 2: that sound to you like they're even considering a hike

1824
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 2: or is that just jaw boning.

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01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 22: Look, I think they're really quite solidly on hold at

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01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 22: the moment, but I do think that there's a chance

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01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 22: that in the coming months we could see the RBA

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01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 22: decide to lift interest rates again. I certainly have been

1829
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 22: saying that. I think there's a higher chance that the

1830
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 22: RBA is going to lift its policy rate in the

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01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 22: second half of this year than them cutting it. I think,

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01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 22: you know, they're highly unlikely to cut it. Their primary

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01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 22: concern at the moment is still that inflation is too high,

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01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 22: and as they said today, it's falling even more slowly,

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01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 22: and so I still think there's a chance. I mean,

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01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 22: my central case is they're going to be on hold

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01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 22: long hold to come from the RBA, But I think

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01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 22: we can't rule out the possibility that they might hike

1839
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,799
Speaker 22: sometime in the coming meetings.

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01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 2: What do you think would tip them into a hike.

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01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 22: It's primarily about inflation. It really is going to be

1842
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 22: about the inflation numbers. And I think the main thing

1843
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 22: to look out for will be that second quarter inflation

1844
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 22: print that we get in late July ahead of their

1845
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 22: August meeting. That's going to be the main thing to

1846
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 22: be watching out for, because if they were to get

1847
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 22: another upside surprise, keeping in mind they had an upside

1848
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 22: surprise at the last for the last inflation print, and

1849
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 22: they didn't respond because it was only a small upside surprise.

1850
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 22: But if you start accumulating them getting multiple ones, it

1851
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 22: might very well convince them that they just have a

1852
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 22: little bit more they have to do. The thing that

1853
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 22: might lean against that. Of course, you might not get

1854
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 22: the upside surprise. That's one possibility. And then the other

1855
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 22: possibility is that you start to see a bit more

1856
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 22: weakening in the jobs market and that weak growth persists

1857
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 22: because we've already got growth has slowed down. The challenge

1858
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 22: we've got in Australia is growth has slowed, but inflation

1859
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 22: hasn't come down fast. Very similar to New Zealand in

1860
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 22: some ways. It's just that growth hasn't slowed as much

1861
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 22: here as it had in New Zealand.

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01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 2: What is it that's causing your inflation to be so sticky?

1863
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 22: Well, I think it's primarily a similar story to New Zealand. Actually,

1864
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,759
Speaker 22: it's that the supply side of our economy is still

1865
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 22: quite disrupted. And it may sound like a stretch, but

1866
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 22: you know, there's still quite a lot of the disruptive

1867
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 22: impacts of the pandemic related policies and the pandemic itself

1868
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 22: flowing through the economy. And you can see that in

1869
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 22: things like, well, the fact that the jobs market is

1870
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 22: still not quite matching as well as it should. It's

1871
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 22: still difficult to find skills, the fact that we've still

1872
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 22: got we've got a decline in housing construction going on

1873
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 22: right now, even though we've got very strong demands for housing,

1874
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 22: and a lot of that is that the housing market,

1875
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 22: the housing construction industry is quite gummed up, and I

1876
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 22: think a lot of that is sort of residual effects

1877
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 22: of the pandemic. That's sharp rising materials costs. It's forced

1878
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 22: a lot of builders to become insolvent, and that's gumming

1879
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 22: up the system. So I still think that it's a

1880
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 22: lot to do with wheat productivity and a weak supply

1881
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 22: side of our economy, and quite a bit of that

1882
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 22: can be attributed to the effects of the pandemic and

1883
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 22: the pandemic policy response, and it's still flowing through and

1884
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 22: constraining the economy economy's ability to deliver, which is leaving

1885
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 22: you with this higher inflation despite the weakening demand.

1886
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: Paul, give me your take on what happens when we

1887
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,560
Speaker 2: finally get a cut, whether it's a New Zealand or

1888
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 2: in Australia, Because there is a school of thought that

1889
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 2: what will happen is it will be such a relief

1890
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 2: and such a portent of good things to come that

1891
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 2: immediately people will become more liberal with their spending. Do

1892
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 2: you think I.

1893
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 22: Think that the cuts, when they do come, will be

1894
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 22: delivered at a time when the economy is quite weak,

1895
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 22: and so they will have an effect in terms of

1896
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 22: lifting things. Yeah, And I think the key question I

1897
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 22: guess is going to be about, you know, when the

1898
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 22: cuts we do get cuts. In our central case for

1899
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 22: New Zealand is that you are likely to get cuts

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01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 22: by the end of the year. That's what we're working

1901
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 22: with and we've got in mind that come next year

1902
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 22: you'll get a sequence of cuts in New Zealand. And

1903
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 22: so if you get a sequence of cuts from the arbence,

1904
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 22: I think you will see some tangible signs that it's

1905
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 22: going to be supportive of growth. And that's our central case,

1906
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 22: and that's primarily because the economy is so weak in

1907
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 22: New Zealand at the moment. In Australia's case, they've kind

1908
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 22: of chosen a different strategy. They didn't lift rates as much.

1909
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 22: We've got a very slow decline and inflation going on.

1910
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 22: We've had a slow downing growth, but we haven't they

1911
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 22: actually had a contraction. So when they do start easing,

1912
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 22: I think that's going to be a very They're not

1913
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 22: going to cut over very much to start with. I

1914
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 22: think it'll be that you're likely to see them on

1915
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 22: hold for an extended period and then a couple of

1916
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 22: cuts in the second half of next year. From the

1917
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 22: middle of next year is what we've got in mind,

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01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 22: so different effects in different places.

1919
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 2: Hey, Paul, thank you as always, really appreciate your sharing

1920
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 2: some of the expertise with us as Paul Bloxham hsp's

1921
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 2: chief economist. By the way, I continue to get texts

1922
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 2: on the principles, and there is more even the principle

1923
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 2: at this particular school. I think it might be in Cambridge.

1924
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: Went to the States for a well being conference last

1925
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: term and I only found out by accident, and I

1926
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 2: was a few infuriated because I assume it was not

1927
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 2: funda privately, No, probably not. Now I went on the

1928
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,560
Speaker 2: MSNBC website today and the most reads I'm going to

1929
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 2: tell you what, the most read story on the MSNBC

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01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 2: website right now, like when I went, which is a

1931
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 2: couple of hours ago, was the six phrases you need

1932
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 2: to say to be mentally stronger than most. Now. Look,

1933
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Speaker 2: I mean bear in mind that it's an American audience predominantly,

1934
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 2: and they love this stuff, right and also heaps them

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Speaker 2: will be like a business audience and they also love

1936
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,799
Speaker 2: this stuff. But I find it weird. But I also

1937
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 2: secretly do love this stuff like a little bit, just

1938
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 2: a little bit, which is why I'm talking about it.

1939
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 2: This is from a guy who is a speaker and

1940
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Speaker 2: a trainer and a LinkedIn learning instructor whatever the hell

1941
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 2: that is. He spent thirty years, he says, researching what

1942
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Speaker 2: makes leaders strong in their mind, and he reckons there

1943
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Speaker 2: are six core mental exercises, that mental muscles that you

1944
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Speaker 2: need to train.

1945
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Speaker 4: Right.

1946
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 2: You need to keep on reinforcing your confidence, your fortitude,

1947
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 2: your boldness, your decision making, your goal focus, and your messaging,

1948
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 2: which is about showing up, positive minded and engage right

1949
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 2: and so right. So he gives you six easy reps,

1950
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 2: like he gives you six sentences that you need to

1951
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 2: say to hit each one of those things. Get ready

1952
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 2: for as very American, embrace yourself. Number One, you need

1953
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 2: to look in the I'm assuming you need to look

1954
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 2: in the mirror, because that's more generally what you do

1955
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 2: with these positive affirmations. Don't you look in the mirror

1956
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 2: and say I'm enough, i am e enough. That is

1957
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 2: for your confidence. I'm a little bit cringey about this,

1958
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. Number two, you need to

1959
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 2: look at the situation that you are, at the setback

1960
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Speaker 2: that you're having, and you say, what possibilities. Does this

1961
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Speaker 2: setback present? That's working on your fortitude. Then you have

1962
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Speaker 2: to occasionally ask yourself, am I letting myself dream big?

1963
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 2: You're working on your boldness. Fourth, you need to ask yourself,

1964
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 2: what is the cost of this indecision? That's working on

1965
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 2: your decision making. I'll tell you what you need to

1966
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 2: work on your decision making because there is I am impatient.

1967
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 2: I have discovered about myself recently, which is not a

1968
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 2: newsflash to me and literally no one else. It's just

1969
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 2: about learning to love myself. That's what I'm doing. I'm impatient.

1970
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 2: And if you do not make your mind up, all

1971
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 2: I want to do is throttle you.

1972
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 4: I do.

1973
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Speaker 2: And I'm talking to my husband right now because I

1974
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 2: know he's listening. Five. Am I controlling the controllables? You

1975
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 2: need to ask yourself. That's working on your goal focus right,

1976
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 2: don't worry about the stuff you can't control, like that,

1977
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 2: like that prayer, you know, the serenity prayer. Don't worry

1978
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 2: about that stuff. To deal with the stuff you can't control.

1979
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 2: And number six is the final one is I don't

1980
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 2: have to do this. I get to do this.

1981
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 10: Yay.

1982
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 2: So when you turn up to work, every single day

1983
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't have to do this, I

1984
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 2: get to do this. That's your positive attitude. You're welcome.

1985
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 2: I know, along with everybody else who is reading MSNBC today,

1986
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 2: you are now empowered. Quarter two.

1987
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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1988
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplic Ellen and my HR,

1989
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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME News talks'd b.

1990
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Speaker 2: Inde Brady UK Correspondence with us Hey Ender.

1991
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Speaker 10: Hey have our good speaker tell me it's.

1992
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Speaker 2: Not possible that Nigel Farage becomes the Prime Minister.

1993
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 10: Well, Liz Trust managed it for six weeks, so I

1994
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 10: think there's hope for everyone. Really, it's so crazy an

1995
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 10: idea that it might just happen, given where we are

1996
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 10: in crazy town as I call Westminster. So Forraj having

1997
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Speaker 10: never been elected to Parliament in seven attempts, this is

1998
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 10: his eighth attempt at getting elected in Westminster. He's running

1999
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 10: in Tracton on Sea in Essex. He's now polling higher

2000
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 10: than Sunak his new party Reform running at nineteen percent

2001
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 10: and his Conservatives are at only eighteen percent. I mean,

2002
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 10: it is abysmal, really really dire outlook for the Conservatives.

2003
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 10: So Forage has come out and said that this time

2004
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Speaker 10: around he wants to get elected and be the opposition

2005
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 10: and in five years time he wants to run and

2006
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 10: be Prime minister. So it sounds extremely ambitious for someone

2007
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 10: absolutely zero political history in Parliament in Westminster. But like

2008
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 10: I say, we're in such a crazy he placed in

2009
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,799
Speaker 10: UK politics now it might even.

2010
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Speaker 2: Happen, does he? I mean, would he be doing that

2011
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 2: as the leader of the Reform Patty or would he

2012
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 2: be going into the Conservatives in order to do it.

2013
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Speaker 10: That's a very good question. I think what's going to happen. Look,

2014
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 10: if the polls are to be believed, Sunac can't win

2015
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 10: this election. If the polls are to be believed and

2016
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 10: everyone that's being surveyed and questioned is giving an honest answer,

2017
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 10: the Conservatives are in for an absolute pasting. Here's the

2018
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 10: scenario that could unfold. Sunac would have to step down.

2019
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 10: If Labor get four hundred plus seats, Sunac is toast.

2020
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Speaker 10: Then you're left with a rump of a Conservative party. Now,

2021
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 10: some predictions are saying it could be as few as

2022
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 10: seventy two seats, which will be tiny compared to what

2023
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 10: they're used to Could it then happen that Farage comes

2024
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 10: in with his reform whatever group, if he gets people

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01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 10: elected to Parliament and says right, let's lump our forces

2026
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 10: together to fight Keir Starmer and Labor and stop them

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01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 10: getting a decade in power. And then you're then left

2028
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 10: to the situation where Farage comes leader of the Conservatives

2029
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 10: and he's such a populist and so popular at certain

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01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 10: levels in the UK that he could feasibly be leader

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01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:08,600
Speaker 10: of the opposition.

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Speaker 2: Well, crazy things have happened, and that sounds like a

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01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 2: very plausible explanation. We'll see if that's what happens. Now,

2034
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 2: explain to me why the Farmer isn't defending the copyren

2035
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Speaker 2: over the cow.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I can't believe this. The footage is terrible. I mean,

2037
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 10: I mean Ireland at the moment. My dad is from

2038
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 10: a farming family and my dad just said it looks terrible.

2039
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 10: It is terrible. What was he doing? So? The officers

2040
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 10: were called to reports of a runaway calf the other

2041
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 10: night in Stains upon Thames, which is a residential area

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Speaker 10: of Surrey south of London. Cops turn up on a

2043
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 10: four x four. The calf is terrified. It's not charging

2044
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 10: of people. It's not hurting people. It just needed someone

2045
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Speaker 10: who knew what they were doing with animals to get

2046
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Speaker 10: it under control and get it away safely. And the

2047
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 10: first thing the cop does is basically slam a four

2048
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 10: x four patrol car into the calf, knocking it to

2049
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 10: the ground. He then reverses back and strikes it again.

2050
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 10: The footage was absolutely hideous. Now the police officer has

2051
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 10: been suspended from duty pending an investigation. Step forward one

2052
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 10: of the bosses of the National Farmers' Union, the NFU,

2053
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 10: and they say that the police reacted correctly and at

2054
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 10: the time, given the circumstances, was probably the right thing

2055
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 10: to do. I'm a bit blown away that a farmer's

2056
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 10: leader would say that ramming a young calf with a

2057
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 10: patrol car was the only option. And apparently eyewitnesses said

2058
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 10: they heard the cop radioing for a firearms unit, so

2059
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 10: I think he was only going to be happy if

2060
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 10: this animal was dead.

2061
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 2: Jeez, well that would have been a bitter solution than

2062
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 2: running it over into Thank you as always, really appreciate

2063
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 2: you time. Mate. That's into Brady UK corresponding here that

2064
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 2: I thought you were saying I am enough you was saying,

2065
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 2: I'm a nat bob, it's probably close enough if you're

2066
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 2: doing those informations eight away from seven.

2067
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: Whether it's micro micro or just plain economics, it's all

2068
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: on a business with him the Duplicy.

2069
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 3: Allen and my HR, the HR platform for SME used

2070
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 3: to talk SETB.

2071
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, MicroB or just plain economics, it's all

2072
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my

2073
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: HR the HR platform for SME used to talk set B.

2074
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. Producer Laura has just

2075
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 2: asked me for the list that I just read out

2076
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 2: before the six things. So she's obviously going to take

2077
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 2: that home and just you know, look at the mirror

2078
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 2: and do those things. Hey, this is amazing. Listen to this. Okay,

2079
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: they're doing a tidy up of George Washington's old Mount

2080
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 2: Vernon home. And while they were doing the tidy up,

2081
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 2: like they're doing a proper tidy app getting right into

2082
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 2: the basement and everything, they found a dozen like not

2083
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: a dozen, sorry, dozens of bottles of cherries and berries

2084
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 2: preserved under the floor in storage pits in the cellar.

2085
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 2: No one knew that they were there because they were

2086
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:49,839
Speaker 2: covered up. There was an expansion that happened in seventeen

2087
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 2: seventy five, excuse me, seventeen seventy five, and they laid

2088
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 2: a new floor as part of the expansion and covered

2089
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 2: up all of the preserved fruit in the bottles down there.

2090
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: So anyway, during the time they find them, and what's

2091
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 2: weird about it is that the fruit is perfectly preserved.

2092
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean that stuff has been in there for two

2093
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years, but it's perfectly preserved. The archaeologists

2094
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 2: reckon that finding that much perfectly preserved food from that

2095
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 2: long ago is basically unprecedented. There are whole pieces of

2096
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 2: cherries in some of the bottles. Other bottles it looks

2097
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 2: like gooseberries or currants, but they're doing testing at the

2098
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,839
Speaker 2: moment just to confirm it. They've also got they've extracted

2099
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 2: about fifty cherry pits to see if they can maybe

2100
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 2: plant them again to look at the you know what

2101
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 2: cherries were like two hundred and fifty years ago. A

2102
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 2: bit of a long shot, because seeds actually are best

2103
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 2: when they are dry, and these appear to be water logged. Anyway,

2104
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,719
Speaker 2: the quality of the fruit is a testament the fact

2105
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 2: that it's lasted this long is a testament to the

2106
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 2: quality of the work that went into preserving them. But

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01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 2: they will all have been done by slaves, and the

2108
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 2: slaves did such an awesome job that it's managed to

2109
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 2: last this long. The kitchen was overseen by a slave

2110
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 2: called Doll, a lady called Doll who'd gone to the

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01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 2: house with Martha Washington in seventeen fifty eight. Amazing is that?

2112
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Speaker 29: And the chain by Fleetwood Mac to play us out tonight.

2113
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 29: Stevie Nexx has basically confirmed that they are definitely never

2114
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,520
Speaker 29: ever getting back together, at least as far as she's concerned.

2115
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 29: She was asked about in a recent interview with Mojo,

2116
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 29: and she had more or less hinted that this is

2117
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 29: what she thought beforehand. But she basically with the death

2118
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 29: of Christine McVie, she says, and they can't just that.

2119
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 29: You can't have Fleetwood Mac without Christine McVie. It's not

2120
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 29: a thing you can do, no, because then.

2121
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 2: One quarter of the band is old is old Lindsey,

2122
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 2: who's horrible.

2123
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 29: Well, yeah, I mean that was the other problem is

2124
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 29: that those two could never ever get on. As I

2125
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 29: understand her, that was part of the appeal going to

2126
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 29: see Fleetwood Mac as you would just get to watch

2127
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 29: Stevie and Lindsey just hating each other on stage clearly

2128
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 29: but playing together in the same man. But anyway, she says, yeah,

2129
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 29: Lindsay's health is kind of in doubt, but she said

2130
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 29: even if it wasn't, with no Christine, no can do

2131
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 29: so nom all Fleetwood Mac.

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01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 2: Sorry, oh man, if you've seen them live and thank

2133
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 2: you Lord that I have what like treasure at all?

2134
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 29: What do we have to say? Well, what opportunities can

2135
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 29: we get from the setback together.

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01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 2: That I do not? It's not a setback. I am

2137
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 2: the positive. I'm taking a positive appro which to listen

2138
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 2: saying I did get to see them live once. How

2139
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 2: wonderful is that?

2140
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 29: Excellent hood?

2141
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 2: You are enough, Thank you as a un Enjoy your evening,

2142
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Speaker 2: Enjoy the song, See you tomorrow.

2143
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