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Speaker 1: The Andrews situation, as in Prince Andrew with the Chinese

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Speaker 1: spy is obviously blowing up in the UK. Here's Dan Javis,

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Speaker 1: the UK Security Minister, speaking in the House.

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Speaker 2: The breadth of the threats we face from foreign states

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Speaker 2: are pernicious and complex, and the work of our intelligence

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Speaker 2: agencies is unrivaled in mitigating them. As ever, they will

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Speaker 2: be pursuing those who wish to do us harm, including

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Speaker 2: those from foreign states. We support them now and always

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Speaker 2: in these efforts, and they will know that at any

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Speaker 2: point when the UK's national security is at risk, we

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Speaker 2: will not hesitate to use every tool at our disposal

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Speaker 2: to keep our country safe.

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Speaker 1: Rod, a little out of the UK with us now.

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Speaker 3: Morning, Rod, Good morning, how you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thanks mate. Listen, do we know if

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Speaker 1: this guy actually got anything from Andrew?

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Speaker 3: Thoughts?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a problem, isn't it If you

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Speaker 3: cozy up to someone who's thick as it's easy to

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Speaker 3: gain their confidence, but rather more difficult to gain anything

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Speaker 3: of consequence from them. It is true that Andrew has

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Speaker 3: been an intermediary for British trade for the last thirty years.

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Speaker 3: What is less clear is how successful that work which

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Speaker 3: is supposedly done on our behalf has been basically what

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Speaker 3: it meant is that he's gone out to various desert

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Speaker 3: satraps in Arabia and played golf a lot. He seems

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Speaker 3: to have been a bit more connected with this guy,

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Speaker 3: I think, possibly because he saw him as any port

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Speaker 3: in a storm, that here was someone he could actually

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Speaker 3: do business with and improve his image by increasing trade

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Speaker 3: to Great Britain from China, not having the slightest suspicion

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Speaker 3: that this man might not be entirely what he said

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Speaker 3: he was. You know that the whole problem there is

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Speaker 3: the guy is sick as mince.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem that way, keeps getting himself in trouble.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, okay, so the obvious thing that's going

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Speaker 1: to happen to him is that he and Sarah are

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Speaker 1: not going to be able to do the church walking Standringham,

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Speaker 1: and it appears that that is happening already. But should

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Speaker 1: Charles not.

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Speaker 3: Just he's not allowed a stocking this year, and that

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Speaker 3: stop him. And he is not allowed a stocking, he

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Speaker 3: won't be allowed to play charades with Prince Charles, with

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Speaker 3: King Charles. You know, no, sorry, go on, but I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, it was a fair and you make the

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Speaker 1: point Rod right. The point that you're making is that

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Speaker 1: all of these punishments are just bits and pieces here

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Speaker 1: and there are slaps on the hand. I mean, does

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Speaker 1: Charles not need to just cut him out altogether, get

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Speaker 1: him out of Royal Lodge and get him out of

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Speaker 1: the eye sight.

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Speaker 3: I think that is I think what you've suggested is inevitable.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think he can cling on. The Epstein

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Speaker 3: stuff hasn't gone away, and it and go away. The

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Speaker 3: Chinese spike business is a grave embarrassment and also actually,

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Speaker 3: from the other point of view, a problem between us

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Speaker 3: and China, because we do have to deal with China,

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Speaker 3: and we have to we have to deal with them

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Speaker 3: at the same time, is known that they are much

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Speaker 3: as you do, guys. I mean, you guys know this

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Speaker 3: better than we do. We need to deal with them

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Speaker 3: in a way which is productive for both of us,

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Speaker 3: but which also keeps them at arm's lengths. And you

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Speaker 3: know that is a difficult line to tread, and it's

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Speaker 3: not something you would ever entrust to a meet. Heead

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Speaker 3: like Prince Andrew, So I think he's I think he's

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Speaker 3: gone basically as as a as a meaningful player, as

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Speaker 3: a member of the royal family. Nobody wants him, particularly

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Speaker 3: not his brother.

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Speaker 1: No, right, Hey, how's how's things going with the EU?

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Speaker 1: It looks like it's getting a bit hairy.

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Speaker 3: With the What sorry I missed out that. Sorry? With

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Speaker 3: the EU, well, it's going to be a problem. There

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Speaker 3: is no doubt whatsoever that we need to improve our

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Speaker 3: relationship with the European Union. But it's also there's not

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Speaker 3: much doubt that the bad relationship was at least sixty percent,

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Speaker 3: I would say, a consequence of the EU being very

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Speaker 3: hostile once we've left the EU in twenty sixteen. It's

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Speaker 3: also true that we haven't made the best of our

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Speaker 3: opportunities in the world beyond the EU. You know, we

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Speaker 3: haven't really reached out to you guys and Australia in

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Speaker 3: the way that we should apar from on defense. You know,

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Speaker 3: we really haven't. So there is a case for improving

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Speaker 3: our relationship with the EU. If, however, and this is

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Speaker 3: I think it's a red line in the sound, red

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Speaker 3: line in the sund Do we have red lines in

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Speaker 3: the sound? Anyway? It's a line in the town if

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Speaker 3: it involves signing up to the European course of justice. No,

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Speaker 3: that that will provoke fury, and yet it seems to

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Speaker 3: be the way in which Saka Starbar is going.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Rod, it is good to talk to you mate.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. Look after yourself. And there's Rod Little,

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