1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: The Reserve Bank. What are they going to do today? 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: They're expected to cut the OCEA by fifty basis points 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: to three point seventy five percent. It's locked in, they say, 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: as a near certainty, but of course we never know 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: until it actually happens. In the A and ZA chief Economists, 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Sharon Zohna joins me, Good morning, Sharon, good morning. What's 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: going to happen? 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: We're also in the camp it says our cup fifty. 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: They stickled it really, really unusually clearly in November, which 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: was brave because it was a three month gap until 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: the actual decision. But as it happens, the data has 12 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: fallen what most peop would consider in line with their 13 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: four cuts, a few unders and overs, but overall not 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: challenging their narratives. So you're seeing quite a strong consensus 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: amongst both economists and market participants at they'll cup fifty today. 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: Well there's a few we're around saying don't cut it, 17 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: or just to zero point twenty five. Because food prices 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: are rising. In January, non tradable inflations, baked in American 19 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: inflations ticking up, is a possibility of a global trade war. 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: We've got global instability affecting supply chains. There's some very 21 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: real arguments to ty hoe. 22 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: There are there some very real arguments to be cautious 23 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: about the medium term outlook. But basically, what happens to 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: that domestic sticky inflation that the Reserve Bank really cares 25 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: about depends on where the economy was that sort of 26 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: six months ago, really, and six months ago the economy 27 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: was in a pretty dark place. So it's reasonably it's 28 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: even for the Reserve Bank to expect that domestic sensation 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: to continue to fall. And they don't want to overdo things. 30 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: I want to cause unnecessary pain, but also they want 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: to cause inflation to go out the bottom of the band. 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: So that's why they're comfortable cutting now. But they have 33 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: suggested that they will start to move more cautiously as 34 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: they get closer to neutral. So that's where it starts 35 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: to get interesting. Sidney five, which is where they'd be 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: after a fifty point cut. Is that closer to neutral? 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: All the next move the twenty five or fifty There 38 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: is some debate on that point. 39 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how low could they go? You're quite right. 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: The debate is between some people saying three point five 41 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: that'll be about it. Some people have said or it 42 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: could go as lot as three. What do you think, Yeah, some. 43 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: People are saying loud than that. I don't think the 44 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: Reserve Bank will necessarily feel the need to be dogmatic 45 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: about exactly where the OCR funishes up today. But their 46 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: last forecast suggested the OCL we go down to about three, 47 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: and I guess the market's probably assuming that they'll show 48 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: something similar today. If they show it going there only slowly, 49 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: you could see some disappointments from the market in which 50 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: tests you could actually see a little bump up and 51 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: in illestrates and exchange rates even though they're cutting. On 52 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: the other hand, if the market thinks they sound like 53 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: they're going to cut faster, you could still see reaction. 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: So even though they're cutting, the actual reaction on the 55 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: day will depend on what they say, their tone, their 56 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: forecast compared to what the market is expecting. 57 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking forward to what they have to say 58 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: and what they have to say about our economy right now. 59 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: Share It's always great that you wake up for us, 60 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: and I thank you. 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