1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: global exposure like no one. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: This evening is Nick Mills, Wellington Morning's host and Fillow 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 2: Riley I and you partners and former boss of Business 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: New Zealand. 6 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 3: Hell are you too here? 7 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 4: You are very well? 8 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 3: Thank you? Are either of you up here for the 9 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 3: Coldplay concert in. 10 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 4: Auckland or no, no, but they mucking up. I was 11 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 4: traveling up for other reasons and my watch taking you 12 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 4: to get an airfare and it's a bit of a disaster, 13 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 4: or you Coldplay people just stay home so I can 14 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 4: travel up for other reasons. 15 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: Please yeah, Now, don't go and see Coldplate. The wife 16 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: needs to get up. 17 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 5: What about you, Nick, No, but I have a sun 18 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 5: that paid over six hundred dollars for a return flight 19 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 5: on Jetstar to go to the concert tonight, so obviously 20 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 5: there's a little bit of demand for it here. 21 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: Mack. 22 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 4: That is right. 23 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: That's a steal in New Zealand. Was seven hundred dollars 24 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: one way, and that's if you could find a ticket. Nicho, listen, 25 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: I just want to ask you this. I don't know 26 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: that causing disruption at rush hour over the harbor Bridge. 27 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: In all Clinn was the smartest thing for the Hikoy organizers. 28 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: What do you think. 29 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 5: Are you coming to me? At first? I think that 30 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 5: a protest is a protest, and I think, suck it up, Auckland, 31 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 5: We're going to have it on Tuesday and Wellington. I 32 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 5: think that's the whole point of a protester is to 33 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 5: get as much attention as cause as much a disruption 34 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 5: as you possibly can about why, why it's a good cause? 35 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 5: It's a good cause? 36 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: Nick, Why do we assume that disruption is good from 37 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: a protest, Because as far as I can see it, 38 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 3: all it does is it drives people to be less 39 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 3: sympathetic to the protest and more sympathetic to the opposite, 40 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: which is David Seymour, Can I. 41 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 5: Tell you that I don't think in my lifetime that 42 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 5: I've had more apart from the obviously the Parliament Grounds protest. 43 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 5: Apart from that, I don't think that I've ever known 44 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 5: the undercurrent of people that want to protest. Now I 45 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 5: work in the real world as well as working on 46 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 5: z B, and I think that almost all my staff 47 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 5: who are very unwoke are going to go on that protest. 48 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 5: Are they yeah, and white, white, Chinese, black, yellow, green, whatever, 49 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 5: doesn't make any difference. They don't like the idea of it, 50 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 5: and they're going to protest. 51 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: What do you think, Phil, Well. 52 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 4: That's interesting because when you look at the survey material, 53 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 4: I'm not suggesting I'm for or against. When you get surveys, 54 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 4: the majority of New Zealanders actually support something like this. 55 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: Interestingly now that when it comes to the when it 56 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 4: comes to the protests, so I always think. 57 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: When you say, can I just stop you there, because 58 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: it's not clear to support something like this, support something 59 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: like the Hekoy. 60 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 4: When they're asked no, no, not the Hekuy, the treaty 61 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 4: principle to say that the whole of the public is 62 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 4: opposed to this and there's just no charge. That's not 63 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 4: quite true actually, So just be cautious about that. But 64 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 4: in terms of the protests, I've always thought that you 65 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 4: need to be respectful. You can cause a bit of 66 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: difficulty and so on. But when you're shouting and streaming 67 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: and carrying on and trying to say everything is at 68 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: fault and it's all terrible and so on, which is 69 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 4: really what's been happening. It's all shouting and screaming going 70 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 4: on here. I'm not sure that's conducive to the public 71 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 4: actually listening to the arguments and understanding. And this has 72 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: become really in evidence free debate, this whole debate, everybody's 73 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 4: shouting and scream at each other, I think, and I 74 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: think some sober reflection is actually necessary. One of the 75 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 4: things that worries me here there is there's nobody really 76 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: he's able to bring it together here to say, you know, 77 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 4: this is what we really think. You've got people shouting 78 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 4: out to the left, through the through the Mari Party, 79 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: You've got David Seymour, you know, arguably, you know, getting 80 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 4: into it from the other side. There's not enough sober voices, 81 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 4: reflective voices saying here's here's the way through this this debate. 82 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: And I don't think he calls across the Harbor Bridge, 83 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 4: which which just annoy Orkland traffic are going to sold 84 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 4: much and the next point us Wellingtonians are used to 85 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 4: this because with the Capitol, I know, you think we 86 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: need to suck it up on the Capitol. That's what 87 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: protests are all about. I don't think it's a good 88 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: idea to be stopping mums and dads and kids, taking 89 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 4: people to the doctor on a on a Tuesday morning, 90 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: Wednesday morning, whatever it was. I just do think that 91 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: damages the capacity for us of the right debate about 92 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 4: the future of race relations. 93 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 5: Ye didn't. We didn't. We didn't really care when people 94 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 5: were gluing their hands down, so you know thing about yeah, 95 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 5: well we didn't make this as big a deal about 96 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 5: people gluing their hands down and doctor has not been 97 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 5: able to get to what are you talking about? 98 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: Nick, I was on the radio saying they should be 99 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: put in jail. 100 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was pretty I was pretty exercised issue for 101 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 4: that very reason that there was pointless you. Yeah. 102 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: Nick, Also listen, you don't live in the real world, mate. 103 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: You live in Wellington. You live in Wellington. It's different, 104 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: isn't it. 105 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 5: No, I live in the real world. I definitely live 106 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 5: in the real world. 107 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: Your dream and hold on, hang on a teck. We've 108 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: just got to take a break, come back. 109 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: And just to take the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's 110 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: International Realty elevate the marketing of your home. 111 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 3: Back on the huddle, Nick Mills and Philler, RALEIGHIL. 112 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: What do you think about Donald Trump pointing Elon Musk. 113 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 4: It's one of those things that looks really good. And 114 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 4: know that Elon will say something. In fact, there was 115 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 4: a who tells me is that the federal government in 116 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: the United States is anything but bloated. So Ian will 117 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 4: say some stuff and there'll be a lot of hoop play 118 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 4: around it where it actually means anything, of course, will 119 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 4: be will be kind of a different thing altogether. But 120 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 4: you know the sort of thing new presence and indeed 121 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 4: new prime ministers who they appoint famous people to give 122 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 4: them recommendations that might or might not be implemented, and 123 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 4: if they are, usually implemented very very differently. But it'll 124 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 4: all be good, good Christ to the mill for the 125 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: right wing me yere and for the talk show hosts 126 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 4: and so on. I'll be able to talk about it, 127 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: but I don't think it'll mean very much. 128 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon, Nick? 129 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 5: I think that it's a very very smart idea. The 130 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 5: richest man in the world being on your side trying 131 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 5: to help you make more money for your country. I mean, 132 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 5: it's pretty simplistic. 133 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: It's pretty good. Pr is that what you mean, that's. 134 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 5: A better and a good idea. You'll come up with 135 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 5: something you don't think the richest man and the cleverest 136 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 5: man in the world or one of the cleverest men 137 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 5: in the world ain't going to help you by coming 138 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 5: up with a good idea. 139 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I suppose if you're looking for 140 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: a good idea, he might be the guy to help 141 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: you out. 142 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 3: Eh. Do you feel feel like climbing into the gender 143 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: pay gap and why it actually exists and whether we 144 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: need this. 145 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 4: Tool, Well, I've been doing it for years. Actually, the 146 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 4: gender pay gap is real, and the fact that you 147 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: know it exists is one thing. And one of the 148 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 4: things you's find is when you the company says, oh, 149 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 4: my gender pay gap seventeen percent or whatever it is, 150 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 4: that's typically what it is in New Zealand, people say, oh, 151 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 4: you're a sexist, you're not paying woman enough, and blah 152 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: blah blah. Actually, there's reasons why it exists. There are 153 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 4: logical reasons. There's reasons that you can actually work on. 154 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 4: And one of the things I like about thinking about 155 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: the gender pay gap in the right way is if 156 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 4: you then understand what the drivers of it are, then 157 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: you can actually do something about it. When you don't 158 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 4: know and you just know there's a gap, which you 159 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 4: tend to get is a lot of ranting and raving 160 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 4: and pointing of fingers and so on. So if the 161 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 4: government's going to do that, and I'm not sure they've 162 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 4: got a role to do it, frankly, I think the 163 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 4: private sector should be doing it themselves. Frankly, If the 164 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 4: government is going to do it, then they need to 165 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 4: work with the private sector on what really matters, which 166 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 4: is the drivers and what the private sector and the 167 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 4: public sector, who also have the gender pay gap, can 168 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 4: do about resolving it. That's the best way through rather 169 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 4: than simply pointing fingers because one exists and saying, look 170 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 4: at that terrible. Actually, there's usually reasons why it exists 171 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: that are objective that are nothing to do with sexism 172 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 4: that we can get on and solve. 173 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: Do you have a gender pay gap? Nick? 174 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. 175 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 5: And my argument for this was Heather, and I've said 176 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 5: it quite a few times on air, if there is 177 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 5: this huge but gat, can you please pay me what 178 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 5: you pay either? 179 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 4: Duper Cy Allen and very happy. 180 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 5: I would be the happiest man and willing to We'll 181 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 5: fix that Tin to get just pay me what you 182 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 5: pay either. I don't see this any problem. Three hours, 183 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: five days. 184 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: A week, same job, basically, Naked's the same. 185 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 5: Job, same job. I was the one that got the 186 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 5: story that you're going on about last week and the 187 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 5: week before. 188 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: Well, I want to be paid the same as Hosking. 189 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: Then show me the money they were in the money. 190 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: This is going to be bankrupt and to take a 191 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: fair point there. Okay, guys, listen, thank you, I really 192 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: appreciate it. Go and enjoy the rest of the evening. 193 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: And that's Nick Mills and Falerili a huddle this evening. 194 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 195 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 196 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.