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Speaker 1: Now it looks like the government moves to protect the

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Speaker 1: leafy suburbs in Auckland from densification may have actually backfired.

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Speaker 1: So it was a council meeting in Auckland yesterday and

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Speaker 1: there they voted to increase the densification or at least

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Speaker 1: prefer the densification in suburbs that are within ten kilometers

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Speaker 1: of the city center. ACT Party leader David Seymour is

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Speaker 1: with us. Now, Hi, David, Hey, is that your read

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Speaker 1: of the situation as well?

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Speaker 2: Not really, I mean you take a few steps back.

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Speaker 2: We had a situation where the entire city was going

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Speaker 2: to be densified at three three story homes per section

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Speaker 2: under the Labor National Deal of twenty twenty one. We

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Speaker 2: have been speaking for ACT campaigns and stopped that. We

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Speaker 2: then said, look, you can take it away, but you've

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Speaker 2: got to have the same number of housing density. They

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Speaker 2: showed us the maps of what that looked like. We said, no,

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Speaker 2: we're now taking it back to one point six million

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Speaker 2: and would like them to show us what that looks like.

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Speaker 2: You know, we will get rid of this incursion into

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Speaker 2: people's lives and suburbs because if we want to build

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Speaker 2: more houses, which I think we should. There are many

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Speaker 2: other problems besides having wars over the zoning.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it looks to me like tell me if

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Speaker 1: this is your understanding, because it is very hard sometimes

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Speaker 1: to get a handle on what is going on with council.

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Speaker 1: But my understanding is they passed a resolution yesterday in

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Speaker 1: which they put a pin in the city center. They

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Speaker 1: draw a circle ten k's around it, and everything within

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Speaker 1: that is where the densification will be waited to happen.

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Speaker 1: Is that great?

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Speaker 2: Right? No? No, no, no. They've established a set of

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Speaker 2: five principles and they're going to use those principles in

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Speaker 2: order to create a map that will reach the one

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Speaker 2: point six million capacity that the government is proposing to

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Speaker 2: require by passing a parliamentary law. Once I've done that

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Speaker 2: and we get a sense of what that looks like,

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Speaker 2: the people will be able to have their say. The

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Speaker 2: submissions that have already been made through that will be

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Speaker 2: will remain live and go to independent hearings panels. So

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Speaker 2: they haven't made a decision that look ten kilometer radius there,

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Speaker 2: it is. They've given a set of principles that will

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Speaker 2: guide what they're going to do in order to achieve

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Speaker 2: that one point since Mili target and.

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Speaker 1: One of the principles is that the densification is weighted

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Speaker 1: to within the ten case, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Weighted is probably a good way of thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which means that it's going to happen in EPSOM

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Speaker 1: mate before it happens in Pooka Koe.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to compare EPSOM to pook A Koe, sure,

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Speaker 2: but there's a lot of other things you've got to

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Speaker 2: think about. For example, if you're going to have an

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Speaker 2: emphasis around train stations, you'll know Poki better than me,

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Speaker 2: but I think it has access to trains and so

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Speaker 2: therefore you might get some densification there, whereas if you

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Speaker 2: don't have a train station and a part of EPSOM,

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Speaker 2: you might not. So the point is that.

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Speaker 1: You have not as train stations in EPSOM, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Well, we do, And you know, this whole thing is

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Speaker 2: a bit more complicated than being four or against intensification

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Speaker 2: and one electorate. For example, I'm on the record saying

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Speaker 2: we should have intensification where it makes sense, and train

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Speaker 2: stations and transit oriented development are a way to do that.

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Speaker 2: So if you look at the new Manga Phile station

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Speaker 2: being developed. I mean a huge amount of lands just

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Speaker 2: being completely cleared for the construction that will all be intensified,

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Speaker 2: and so it should be around what will become a

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Speaker 2: very major train station at a kind of central hub

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Speaker 2: of the city rail link. So you know, it's not

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Speaker 2: as simple as it's all going to be in your

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Speaker 2: electric mate, It's it's going to be a long process.

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Speaker 2: These plans won't be finalized until well into next year.

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Speaker 2: What I've done is stop the three to three story

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Speaker 2: thing and stop the two million thing, and we'll keep

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Speaker 2: going if we don't.

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Speaker 1: With one, it was varalgue to me by somebody who

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Speaker 1: does understand what is going on here quite deeply that

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Speaker 1: the one point six as so you got rid of

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Speaker 1: two million. Now we've got one point six with a

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Speaker 1: waiting towards the teen ks around the city center that

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Speaker 1: arguably apparently is worse for your electorate than two million

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Speaker 1: just spread out across the city.

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends on how they balance those five principles.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that could in theory be true. However, this

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Speaker 2: is why I've said all along, we've got to actually

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Speaker 2: see the plans. And by the way, I opposed or

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Speaker 2: Wellington interfering in Auckland from the get go in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one. I wish we weren't here. But now that

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Speaker 2: Auckland is setting these principles, sorry, now that Wellington is

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Speaker 2: setting these edicts like one point six million or two

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Speaker 2: million or whatever, I think it's vital that before we

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Speaker 2: vote in Wellington we know what it looks like. And

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Speaker 2: that's why I've said, you've got to give us a description.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that person could in theory be correct, but

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Speaker 2: I'm saying unfortunately, even though I hate Wellington interference in anything,

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Speaker 2: we need to see the details and see what the

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Speaker 2: truth of that is, and that is what the government

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Speaker 2: has committed to. Well has asked the council for I

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Speaker 2: hope that they're going to be civil and collegial and

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Speaker 2: actually provide information to inform a parliamentary vote, which is

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Speaker 2: what a council and a sort of mature democracy should do,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll have better answers to your question. I

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Speaker 2: wish I had them now, But like I say, I

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Speaker 2: also wish that Labor National hadn't gone down this track

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Speaker 2: in twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, David, beast of luck with it, and thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for your time. That's David Seymour, the Act

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