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Speaker 1: That is Shawny.

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Speaker 2: You can condon Condon down because you're so high, you

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Speaker 2: can condow.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm going to run you through all of the

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Speaker 1: things that are going to be happening overnight in the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: But the two things that are happening the closest from

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Speaker 1: now I don't even know what the indust would like,

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Speaker 1: you know, The ones that are at most imminent. There

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Speaker 1: you go are the kayak sprints, which will feature Amy

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Speaker 1: Fisher and Lisa Carrington. Now these are just heats, but

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Speaker 1: still would love to see these ladies in action. And

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Speaker 1: that's going to kick off at seven thirty. Now Banksy

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Speaker 1: has done another one. So we were just talking yesterday

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Speaker 1: about Banksy doing any thing, and now Banksy's done another one.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday it was the goat that was perched precariously atop

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Speaker 1: of a strut on a building. Today he's he's done

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Speaker 1: the silhouettes of two ol elephants with their trunks stretched

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Speaker 1: out towards each other, and he's painted the elephants sort

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Speaker 1: of like emerging from boarded off windows. The windows had

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Speaker 1: been bordered already I think painted white, and he sort

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Speaker 1: of got them coming out of that. As a result

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Speaker 1: of not having a caption or any kind of obvious

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Speaker 1: meaning for them. Everybody started to try to interpret what

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Speaker 1: they mean. Some say it means the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 1: Others say it's symbol like the trunks reaching out towards

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Speaker 1: each other. Are this a symbol of healing and reconciliations?

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Speaker 1: The go going nuts over Banksy again twenty three away from.

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Speaker 2: Seven, Heather duperic Ellen.

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Speaker 1: Now the energy problem for New Zealand is getting worse.

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Speaker 1: Seventy five workers at a pulp mill in Penrose and

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Speaker 1: Auckland were told this morning that the mill will probably

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Speaker 1: have to shut down by mid December because of power prices.

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Speaker 1: And this comes after two mills near or Harkuny down

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Speaker 1: tools for two weeks for the same reason. They may

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Speaker 1: also shut and Methodex is running at half capacity because

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Speaker 1: of a gas shortage. Joe Gallagher is a negotiation specialist

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Speaker 1: at two, which is one of the unions involved in

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Speaker 1: the Penrose mill. He joins us, Now, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Joe, good evening, how do you rate.

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Speaker 1: The chances that this mill does actually shut down?

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, you know we all live in eternal

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Speaker 2: hope that my experience up to twenty two years in

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Speaker 2: this in this industry is that it's going to be

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Speaker 2: extremely challenging to keep this mill open given the pressure

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Speaker 2: from power prices this morning and the O were twelve hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars a megawatt and forty dollars at Catilla wat for gas.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I think it's going to be very

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Speaker 2: very hard to keep it open from facing those type

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Speaker 2: of price pressure pressures.

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Speaker 1: What can the government do about this is everybody's looking

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Speaker 1: at the government to fix it.

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Speaker 2: Can they well, look, you know, I think you know,

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Speaker 2: someone has to seriously have a look at how we

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Speaker 2: could regulate or put some regulation and support for heavy industry.

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Speaker 2: This is you know, we're seeing you know, closures, We're

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Speaker 2: seeing Weebstar and Masterton. We're seeing those two plants idling up.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand still has to work, you know, potentially idle

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Speaker 2: up every now and then because in some cases it

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Speaker 2: costs two hundred and thirty thousand dollars an hour to

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Speaker 2: run a kiln. So all of these plants are under pressure.

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Speaker 2: It's really you know, incumbent I think on the government

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Speaker 2: to come up with the strategies that that shows support

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Speaker 2: for manufacturing in New Zealand. They're supporting farmers, they're supporting landlords.

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Speaker 2: I think it's about time they reached out to heat

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Speaker 2: the industry and came up with a plan to keep

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Speaker 2: manufacturing local.

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Speaker 1: So what are you suggesting, force the force the retailers,

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Speaker 1: the power retailers to cut prices, or give these guys

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Speaker 1: tax breaks or what.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, we need people need to

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Speaker 2: get together and look at all the solutions. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't think one there's going to be one solution

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Speaker 2: to this problem. But I mean, you know this, the

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Speaker 2: power and the gas price and the gas shortage, it's

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Speaker 2: all out of control. So I think we have to

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Speaker 2: look at waste to ensure that we have a strong

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Speaker 2: manufacturing based in New Zealand because a lot of these

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Speaker 2: mills and companies are critical to a rural New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I'm down and towerpo at the moment and can leave

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Speaker 2: pulp and paper well, which is part of og that

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Speaker 2: that is critical to that community. Likewise, Glenbrook and the

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Speaker 2: steel mill is critical to that water community. So we've

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Speaker 2: got to be doing everything in our power all stakeholders

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Speaker 2: to work out a solution to support local manufacturing. That.

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Speaker 2: You know, it just doesn't make sense that ship it off.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, I agree with you basically on the sentiment.

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Speaker 1: It's how to do it that's the problem made listen

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Speaker 1: on on Kenley we got told today that she's looking

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Speaker 1: at ken Leith Pulp and Paper Mill potentially going to

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Speaker 1: shut it down. Have you heard that?

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Speaker 2: No, I haven't. I've been on site today and no

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Speaker 2: one's raised that with me. So I wouldn't like that

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Speaker 2: to you know, get out there. You know, I've been

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Speaker 2: down and I've done a tour of the site. I've

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Speaker 2: been talking to all the members. I've got other meetings tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: The note there's none of that sentiment at the moment

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Speaker 2: because that would be a huge that would be a

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Speaker 2: huge blow to this community. I mean, Tokara was formed

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Speaker 2: out I can lead needing workers to come down and

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Speaker 2: build the mill. So you know, at this stage there's

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Speaker 2: been none of that talk around.

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Speaker 1: What about Pan Pac millon Hawks Bay, which is also

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Speaker 1: owned by OGI apparently has stopped producing, has it?

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Speaker 2: Look, I can't comment on that. I hadn't. I hadn't

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Speaker 2: heard that today. I haven't heard that. I've got further

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Speaker 2: meetings next week with OG senior management. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: those questions that I can follow up on, I mean

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Speaker 2: all of these mills are facing those same pressures ruble industry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe listen, thank you very much for talking us

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Speaker 1: through that. I do appreciate it. As Joe Gallagher Air

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Speaker 1: two's negotiation specialist.

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