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Speaker 3: The Drive show you trust for the full picture.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy on Drive with One New Zealand, let's get

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Speaker 2: connected news talks.

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Speaker 5: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today. The government

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Speaker 5: is giving itself the power to overall stupid counsel development decisions.

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Speaker 5: We're going to speak to New plymouthsmere about that. The

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Speaker 5: crusaders abanning the cowbells from the final we'll speak to

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Speaker 5: the crusader's boss about that. And IID has busted the

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Speaker 5: horticulture workers for not paying enough tax, and we'll speak

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Speaker 5: to IID about that. Heather, Hey, do you know what

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to miss? The Census? I mean if

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Speaker 5: there was anything that showed how bad government can be

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Speaker 5: at embracing technology, it was the Census, wasn't it. I Mean,

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Speaker 5: this is a time where governments collect huge amounts of

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Speaker 5: electronic data about you, and then they asked you to

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Speaker 5: fill out a pay per form and send it in

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Speaker 5: and just tell them all that stuff all over again.

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Speaker 5: They already know what you're earning, ID has that, they

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Speaker 5: already know how many bay we're having, how many of

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Speaker 5: us are dying, how many of us are getting hitched, birth, deaths,

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Speaker 5: and marriages have that. They already know how many of

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Speaker 5: us are leaving the country, how many of us are

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Speaker 5: coming into the country. They collect that too. They know

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Speaker 5: how many one to three bedroom houses are out there

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Speaker 5: that's being collected. And yet they were asking us to

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Speaker 5: tell them that all over again every five years. That

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Speaker 5: made that all exercise a giant waste of money, didn't it?

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Speaker 5: When you think that they already had the data and

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Speaker 5: then they asked you to repeat it. Wasn't that a

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Speaker 5: giant waste of money? The last one cost US three

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Speaker 5: hundred and twenty five million dollars. The next one was

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Speaker 5: going to cost US four hundred million dollars. Now, I

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Speaker 5: accept that there is information that we will lose by

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Speaker 5: scrapping the census, because as far as I know, no

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Speaker 5: government department collects information on how many languages you speak,

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Speaker 5: or what your sexuality is, or what your first language is,

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Speaker 5: or how many people live in your house. We're not

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Speaker 5: going to be able to know that stuff is easily now, right,

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Speaker 5: So I accept that there will be some stuff that's incomplete.

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Speaker 5: But we already have an incomplete set of data, don't we.

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Speaker 5: The huge numbers of us because of rather the huge

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Speaker 5: numbers of us who haven't filled it in. In twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 5: we didn't count one in six kiwis. That's not complete

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Speaker 5: at all. So either way we're not going to know

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Speaker 5: everything except one way was going to cost us four

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Speaker 5: hundred million dollars, wasn't it. Scrapping the census was long overdue. Ever,

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Speaker 5: nine two nine two is the text number standard text

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Speaker 5: fees a play and shame that we see. The minister

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Speaker 5: responsible for this is with us after five o'clock. Now,

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Speaker 5: I've got some great news for you. You're soon going to

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Speaker 5: be able to buy melatonin over the counter like you're

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Speaker 5: an adult living in the first world. Also, magic mushrooms

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Speaker 5: will soon be able to be prescribed for depression treatments.

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Speaker 5: David Seymour is the Associate Minister of Health who's brought

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Speaker 5: the scent or is bringing this in, and he's with

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Speaker 5: us now, Hi, David, Hey, either what it's wild that

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Speaker 5: we weren't allowed to buy malatonein or still aren't allowed.

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Speaker 6: Why is that I haven't actually been able to find

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Speaker 6: out the ban was put in place in nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 6: or at least not a ban. It was made prescription only,

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Speaker 6: but much like sudo for Dream that we unleashed last year,

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Speaker 6: once it became prescription only, not enough people got prescriptions

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Speaker 6: and no one bought it into the country, and the

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Speaker 5: So what have across these stupid ideas?

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Speaker 6: Well? I think good idea is to get rid of

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Speaker 5: But how do you come across these stupid rules, David?

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Speaker 5: Do people come to you and say, hey, listen, there's

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Speaker 5: this really stupid rule. You should overturn it. Or are

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Speaker 5: you just reading through stuff and you go, why are

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Speaker 5: you doing that? That's stupid.

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Speaker 6: We're getting a lot of feedback about melatonin and cyber syllain,

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Speaker 6: which we could talk about if you like magic mushrooms

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Speaker 6: as you described it. You know, we had people right

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Speaker 6: and we're just trying to deregulate something if we can

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Speaker 5: Okay, let's talk about the magic mushrooms. Now, this is

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Speaker 5: only available to people I understand who've already tried a

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Speaker 5: and it doesn't work, Is that right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And look it's tempting, I think for people to

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Speaker 6: scientific research effort that has found that actually psilocybin is

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Speaker 6: something that can treat it when nothing else can. The

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Speaker 6: in New Zealand have expressed that they'd like to be

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Speaker 5: Where's this one psychiatrist living.

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Speaker 6: That is something that we are not going to disclose

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Speaker 6: because we don't want everyone in the country asking them

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Speaker 6: for psilocybin. But they will be well the simple reason

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Speaker 6: that they want to prescribe it for the patients that

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Speaker 5: But that's not fair, David. Why should it only be

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Speaker 5: a lucky a total lottery as to whether you get

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Speaker 5: the right psychiatrist or not. Surely, if somebody has tried

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Speaker 5: absolutely everything in their living with depression, they should know

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Speaker 5: and see if this is appropriate.

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Speaker 6: Well, if they're in that situation, then their psychiatrists can

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Speaker 6: are going to open this up a lot more. However,

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Speaker 6: the decision was that if it was to get out

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Speaker 6: that somebody had the ability to do this, then they

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Speaker 6: people confuse this for their recreational drugs. And I totally

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Speaker 6: understand your point, but that's why we're not giving their name.

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Speaker 5: Okay, now, can you explain to me what is going

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Speaker 5: on with this weird plan that you have to make

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Speaker 5: it easier for bosses to be able to fire workers

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Speaker 5: who are earning one hundred and eighty thousand dollars or more.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, the rule that is being put

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Speaker 5: Hasn't Well, it's led to like huge amounts of litigation.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean a lot of laws lead to litigation.

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Speaker 6: less than the costs of that litigation. There's lots of

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Speaker 6: with it. I also make the point that this is

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Speaker 6: an opportunity for a lot of people to get a job,

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Speaker 6: especially younger people trying to move up, because you can

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Speaker 6: put as many protections as you like and make it very,

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Speaker 6: very difficult to dismiss someone if it doesn't work out.

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Speaker 6: But every action has an equal and opposite reaction. In

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Speaker 6: this case, if you make it very difficult to move

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Speaker 6: employers will compensate by being more hesitant to give someone

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Speaker 6: an opportunity in the first place. So simple question is

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Speaker 6: do you want a dynamic economy with opportunities and growth

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Speaker 6: or do you want more of a Nana's economy where

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Speaker 6: you lock it down and say a few people who

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Speaker 6: are desperate to keep what's their even if they under perform,

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Speaker 6: take away opportunity for everybody.

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Speaker 5: You know that anybody can get fired or founder perform.

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Speaker 5: This is just to make firing quicker and easier for

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Speaker 5: the bosses. But it seems to me you're taking a

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Speaker 5: political risk here because this is exactly the kind of

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Speaker 5: person earning this kind of money, who lives in EPSOM,

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Speaker 5: for ACTS. So aren't you running the risk of pissing

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Speaker 6: I read your column, Heather, and I think the thing

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Speaker 6: that is a bit where it is your fixation with

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Speaker 6: the policy. And then to answer your question, first of all,

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Speaker 6: that the vivil that support ACT typically are people who

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Speaker 6: They want to ynamic economy, they want opportunities for their kids,

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Speaker 6: and putting a whole lot of red tape around employment law.

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Speaker 6: As I say, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

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Speaker 6: But the second point that I'd make is that you know,

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Speaker 6: you said a second to go, oh, well, actually, it's

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Speaker 6: it's already easy to fire people, so this will make

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Speaker 6: it no difference.

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Speaker 5: Don't misquote me. That's not fair you did. I said,

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Speaker 5: you can already fire somebody for underperformance. This simply makes

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, so we basically are talking about the same thing. Now,

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Speaker 6: we both agree that if someone's underperforming that they should

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Speaker 6: much red tape and bureaucracy do you want in that

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Speaker 6: If you want a more dynamic economy with more opportunity,

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Speaker 6: then that's this is the way to get it. And

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Speaker 6: I believe you talk about political risk people of the

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Speaker 6: EPs and electorate, you know, they didn't get there by

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Speaker 6: being the kind of people that don't want to see

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Speaker 6: opportunity and dynamism in the economy. And that's exactly what

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Speaker 5: Is about, right, David, thank you. I really appreciate time

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Speaker 5: is always and good work on the malaton and that's

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Speaker 5: David Cemare, Associate Health Minister. You do know about the

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Speaker 5: malatonin situation, eh, Like just it is just one of

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Speaker 5: those things that we got used to and when you

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Speaker 5: think about it, you think, why did we ever accept

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Speaker 5: it as completely mental? People would fly not to America

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Speaker 5: to get malatonin, but I have friends and colleagues who

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Speaker 5: would go to America and they'd be like, do you

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Speaker 5: want me to grab some melotonin for you guys in

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Speaker 5: the office. We'll go to America get some malatonin or Hey,

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Speaker 5: I'm off to Australia. Do you want me to grab

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Speaker 5: some malotonin for you? Because we couldn't buy it over

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Speaker 5: the counter here, but they could. How crazy is that?

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Speaker 5: Seventeen past four.

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Speaker 5: do you think about banning the cowbouts?

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Speaker 7: I think it's really funny to you. It's they're having fun,

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Speaker 7: that's all they're doing.

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Speaker 5: They just have a bit of a poke follow through

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Speaker 5: with it. Yeah, doesn't that take some of the fun

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Speaker 5: out of it? Though?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 7: I know, I don't you think that.

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Speaker 1: From Mansbridge's point of view, it's like, well, I'm the CEO,

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Speaker 1: it's my team and it's our home game, and we

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Speaker 1: get the advantage.

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Speaker 7: I'm not giving them anything. I'm not giving them an inch.

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Speaker 1: And so he's saying, na, I'd be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: how many gets knuck on the door now they can

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Speaker 1: actually do, and whether the security actually come down on

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Speaker 1: them and try and take said cow bell off them,

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Speaker 1: because it's been said that as part of Taki's stadiums.

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Speaker 7: It's a musical instrument, and they don't like musical instruments.

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Speaker 7: It makes one noise. How is that musical? Although Pharrell

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Speaker 7: Do no matter who they're playing, they don't like them.

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Speaker 7: I'll be up for that. It's not starting much later.

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Speaker 9: they Last time out they didn't fire a shot Queensland.

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Speaker 10: That was depressing the second half. They still couldn't fire

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Speaker 10: And the problem here is that New South Wales they've

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Speaker 7: Ideally that should be sorted. We've got a cow Bell. No,

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Speaker 5: Darcy water Grave Sports store coast. We're back at.

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Speaker 1: I'd say seven o'clock and Colin Mansbridge and Simon Graphs

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Speaker 7: We'll get them fighting.

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Speaker 11: Yay.

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Speaker 2: Two getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 3: They'd be here.

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Speaker 5: Yep. We're not voting act because of that policy? Would

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Speaker 5: now here? The why not go at FO one hundred

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Speaker 5: means you lose rights. Do you know what David Siemo's

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Speaker 5: Because he accused me of being obsessed?

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Speaker 3: Am I?

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Speaker 5: I mentioned it once yesterday? Well, to be fair, I

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Speaker 5: let's say twice yesterday. Oh and then we did speak

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Speaker 5: is he's like, he's saying to me, you're obsessed. Stop

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Speaker 5: what we are going to speak to him about quarter

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Speaker 5: past five, what you want to do is go onto

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Speaker 5: your phone. I mean, I don't know if you could

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Speaker 5: go on to your phone and you just download apps.

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Speaker 5: You can download cowboll apps. I've got one to illustrate.

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Speaker 12: I think we might need twenty thousand more Chiefs fans

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Speaker 12: of that one to work.

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Speaker 5: And it's not always shaking it quite a lot. It's

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Speaker 5: phone app take yourself a little yui boom, pump that up.

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Speaker 5: You might be No, it does does feel like a

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Speaker 5: Colin mans Bridge about that when he's with US. Quarter

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Speaker 5: an interview with Tucker Carlson. This is due to air tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Weird carrying out military strikes today. You said Israel was

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Speaker 12: I've said we Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.

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Speaker 13: Well, this you're breaking news here because the US government

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Speaker 3: We're not bumbing then Israel's bombing.

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Speaker 13: Then you just said we were, We are supporting asks.

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Speaker 13: You're a senator if you're saying the United States government

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Speaker 5: We're at a run right now.

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Speaker 3: People are listening, So.

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Speaker 5: What's going on. Robert Patman, who has been watching this situation,

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Speaker 3: Came to from all this lane talking.

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Speaker 2: Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart

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Speaker 2: of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 2: New Zealand let's get connected the news talks they'd be.

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Speaker 14: You don't have to follow.

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Speaker 5: Oh god right we Shane Rici on canceling that sinsus

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Speaker 5: after five o'clock, let meet you across the consumer confidence

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Speaker 5: This is the wes Pac McDermott Miller Consumer Confidence Index,

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Speaker 5: when up two points this month. It's now at a

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Speaker 5: What it shows is that people are still a little

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news talks. He'd be drive.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is reportedly considering joining Israel's war on Iran.

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Speaker 5: According to CBS, his advisors are conflicted on whether this

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Speaker 11: We will do everything we can to minimize civilian casualties,

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Speaker 5: In New Zealand, flights to Bali have been canceled after

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Speaker 5: There are worse places to be stuck. And finally, an

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 5: Dann's the News Correspondence with US Elo Dan. Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 5: all right, so does it look to you like the

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Speaker 16: It sure does seem that way, doesn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Now he's the guy who's made a big picture hit

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Speaker 16: I don't think they'll care one way or the other.

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Speaker 16: I mean, it's the same way he said that he

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Speaker 16: his administration. You know, you can see what you want

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Speaker 16: when you're running for election, and once you get into

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Speaker 16: the office, I mean, people are going to hold you accountable,

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Speaker 16: but what more, what more can they do? So I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, does feel like that? What about I mean, do

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Speaker 5: you guys, do you guys reflect at all as voters

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Speaker 5: we haven't got a great track records shod probably let

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Speaker 16: I think a lot of that fades with time. I

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Speaker 16: I think voters are I hate to say forgiving. Maybe

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Speaker 5: Right, So, if this one goes, if there's regime change

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Speaker 5: in Iran and it goes the way of Iraq, or

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Speaker 5: it goes the way of Labia, goes away anything else

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Speaker 5: that the US has been involved in, if it goes

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Speaker 5: tits up, everybody will just forgive Donald Trump for it.

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Speaker 16: I think I think they'll find a way to deflect

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Speaker 16: the blame from the Trump administration, which, as we know,

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Speaker 16: I mean, he's been very good at in his base

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Speaker 16: seems to buy into.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, listen, this new Donald Trump phone. Is this

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Speaker 5: made in China?

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Speaker 8: It is?

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Speaker 6: It is?

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Speaker 16: It's they just announced this. It's a smartphone. You know,

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Speaker 16: he's seeing it's made in the USA. But now that

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Speaker 16: you know, the problem is it was actually made in China.

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Speaker 16: It's going to cost I think forty seven forty five,

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Speaker 16: which reflects you know, he's the forty fifth and forty

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Speaker 16: seventh president right here. And I mean it's kind of interesting,

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Speaker 16: isn't it that you've got a president here that some

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Speaker 16: are saying, well, you can't really be doing this. It's

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Speaker 16: kind of a conflict.

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Speaker 8: But he is.

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Speaker 16: And he's got three carriers lined up three of the

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Speaker 16: big ones over here in the US, and you know,

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Speaker 16: I mean they they're justifying a monthly fee. They're saying

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Speaker 16: that a lot of the services are going to tack

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Speaker 16: on may make this kind of more expensive than he's saying.

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Speaker 16: But the site does say that if you got your

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Speaker 16: own phone, you can bring it over to the network too,

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Speaker 16: And it's just another way for him or his family

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Speaker 16: to bring in some extra money.

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Speaker 5: I guess he's monetizing a hard eye. Now, what are

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Speaker 5: the states in the US where people are more likely

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Speaker 5: to have dark traces?

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Speaker 16: Nevada, New York, South Dakota, and Texas which contained the

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Speaker 16: highest percentages of those who are in possession of this.

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Speaker 16: And they did this study out of Europe over I

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Speaker 16: think it was twenty years and they found these these

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Speaker 16: people that displayed different levels of dark personality traits and

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Speaker 16: it depended on their location and the societal conditions they had,

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Speaker 16: And it looked at one hundred and eighty three countries.

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Speaker 16: They found countries like yours that have a lower level

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Speaker 16: of societal corruption though, and in equity I'm quoting right there,

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Speaker 16: tended to have fewer of these so called psychopaths than

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Speaker 16: we do over here in this part of the world.

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Speaker 16: So nice job there.

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Speaker 5: What then, did they shed any light on you know,

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Speaker 5: what it is that breeds a psychopath? Is it the inequity?

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Speaker 16: It's the inequity right now they're saying, you know, it's

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Speaker 16: living conditions, and it's the percentage of population that just

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Speaker 16: have these dark traits that are embedded in our DNA

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Speaker 16: as we're born too. So a lot of it is

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Speaker 16: I think you know who you are when you're born,

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Speaker 16: and a lot of it is is where you grow

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Speaker 16: up in the conditions that you're surrounded by.

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Speaker 5: All Right, Dan, thanks very much, Dan Mitchenson, US correspondent.

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Speaker 5: I was hoping he wasn't going to say the weather,

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Speaker 5: because I feel like the weather currently would breed a

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Speaker 5: lot of psychopaths, do you know what I mean? Like, Hey,

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Speaker 5: do you realize we're three days away from the solstice?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm looking

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Speaker 5: forward to that. Are you looking forward to that? I

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Speaker 5: cannot wait till with through that. And it occurs weirdly

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Speaker 5: early in winter, doesn't it, Like you get to the

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Speaker 5: point where the days start getting longer, but you know,

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Speaker 5: those temperatures are still going down you've still got a

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Speaker 5: slog of wet weather and kind of you know, and coldness.

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Speaker 5: But at least the days start getting longer, get a

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Speaker 5: bit more vitamin D, and you're less psychopathic. So that's good. Look,

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Speaker 5: there are real questions. Just want to get you across

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Speaker 5: a little bit more of what's going on with the Ran.

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Speaker 5: There are real question marks over the case for going

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Speaker 5: into Iran if the US does, because the US spies

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Speaker 5: are on record as earlier this year having said that

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Speaker 5: there is no nuke on the way. So Tulsey Gabbertto

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Speaker 5: is the US National Intelligence Director, was appearing in front

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Speaker 5: of Congress, told Congress that Iran Supreme leader had not

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Speaker 5: authorized the nuke program, even though they had managed to

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Speaker 5: enrich the uranium to higher levels, there was no formal

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Speaker 5: authorization of the program. Trump doesn't care about that. That's

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Speaker 5: the first you need to know what need to know.

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Speaker 5: The second one is that there's some weird stuff going

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Speaker 5: on between China and Iran. So on Friday, which is

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Speaker 5: the day after Israel was after Israel first attacked Iran China,

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Speaker 5: a plane took off from China. It was supposed to

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Speaker 5: be going to Luxembourg. It never made it to Luxembourg.

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Speaker 5: It flew across northern China, across them to Kazakhstan and

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Speaker 5: crossing to Uzbekistan, crossing to Turkmenistan and then whoop as

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Speaker 5: it got near Iran, not on the radar anymore. Next

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Speaker 5: day another one did the same thing. Monday, another one

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Speaker 5: did the same thing. What's worrying people who watch this

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Speaker 5: kind of stuff is that they're boeing seven four sevens

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Speaker 5: and these things are freighters that are commonly used for

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Speaker 5: transporting military equipment and weapons. So questions about that now.

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Speaker 5: Thomas Coglanin's next sixteen Away from.

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Speaker 5: It is coming up thirteen Away from five now. Thomas

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Speaker 5: coglan is The Herald's political editor with the Prime Minister

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Speaker 5: in Shanghai. Hi Thomas Hi. Okay, So what's going on

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Speaker 5: with the Chinese tourists? I've been talking about, why aren't

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Speaker 5: we getting as many as we used to?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, and there's quite a lot less than we used to.

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Speaker 17: We're still at about sixty percent of pre COVID levels.

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Speaker 17: China was and remains a key tourism market for US,

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Speaker 17: and it is just not the strength of market as

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Speaker 17: it was pre COVID.

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Speaker 8: One of the big.

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Speaker 17: Issues that's been talked about a lot on this trip

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Speaker 17: is visa access. Now, if you're a Chinese tourist, you

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Speaker 17: need to apply for a visa in China, get all

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Speaker 17: your documents done, you get your visa in your passport,

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Speaker 17: then you come to New Zealand. Now, obviously New Zealand

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Speaker 17: will be a much more advertising and appealing prospect if

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Speaker 17: you could just show up at Auckland the airport, presume your.

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Speaker 8: Passport and come and have a nice holiday.

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Speaker 17: The government, you know, could do this, They could give

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Speaker 17: Chinese visa pre access to New Zealand, but they don't

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Speaker 17: want to. On the download appears that is because of

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Speaker 17: concerns about overstaying, asylum claims, that sort of thing. So

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Speaker 17: we've seen today transit visa to make it easier for

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Speaker 17: Chinese tourists to transit through Auckland the airport. We've seen

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Speaker 17: it the government making it easier if you've got an

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Speaker 17: Australian visa to come to New Zealand on holiday. But

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Speaker 17: that it looks like that these are free travel is

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Speaker 17: simply not happening, and that does appear to be a bit.

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Speaker 8: Of a problem.

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Speaker 5: It does appear to be a bit of a problem,

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Speaker 5: does it.

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Speaker 17: Yes, So we were taking to trip dot com you

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Speaker 17: be very familiar with. That's the big online booking platforms,

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Speaker 17: China's biggest, biggest online tourism booking platform.

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Speaker 8: The chief executive gave the chief chief executive.

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Speaker 17: Jane Sun, gave Christopher Luxan a tour around the headquarters

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Speaker 17: today and she showed Chinese arrivals to New Zealand and

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Speaker 17: what they were doing.

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Speaker 8: She also she showed lucks and that actually Chinese.

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Speaker 17: Tourists are booking booking trips in a hurry, that they're

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Speaker 17: booking the trip and then they're leaving, and that suggests

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Speaker 17: that they are keen to get that visa free access.

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Speaker 17: But it looks like the government is just not going

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Speaker 17: to budge on that they're going to do everything but that.

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Speaker 8: But they won't do that now.

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Speaker 5: We spoke yesterday to a guy called David Man who's

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Speaker 5: an investment banker based in China. He said that the

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Speaker 5: Chinese are reasonably irritated by us because we made such

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Speaker 5: a fuss of India and went to India first and

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Speaker 5: haven't prioritized them. Are you got any sense of that

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Speaker 5: while you're there not yet.

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Speaker 17: To be fair, we're probably not if there is a

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Speaker 17: sense of that, we're not going to get that until

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Speaker 17: Friday when Christopher Luxin's in Beijing and ther Meat seshan thing.

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Speaker 17: So if that, if there is a sense of that,

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Speaker 17: then then we won't we won't get that till later. Interestingly,

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Speaker 17: on the government side, that they are changing the way

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Speaker 17: they talk about India and China. They're saying, China is

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Speaker 17: a maturer relationship. We've been here for decades, we've had this,

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Speaker 17: we've got this, you know, pretty mature economic relationship between

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Speaker 17: between China and New Zealand now two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 17: That FTA was a long time ago, so that this

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Speaker 17: was saying that this is a mature relationship. We're better

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Speaker 17: than we're we're friends, and the India relationship is one

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Speaker 17: that is relatively new.

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Speaker 8: Obviously we've got long.

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Speaker 17: Standing connections through the British Empire, but in terms of

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Speaker 17: that economic relationship, we really haven't got a deep economic

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Speaker 17: relationship with India. So that I think they're trying to say, well, look,

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Speaker 17: different speeds for different relationships.

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Speaker 5: Okay. Now, obviously the world is watching what's going on

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Speaker 5: between us railing around the Prime Minister have anything to

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Speaker 5: say about that?

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Speaker 8: Well, yes and no. He was keen to stay out

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Speaker 8: of this issue.

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Speaker 17: He said that New Zealand was see piece and stability

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Speaker 17: in the Middle East and we're a long long way

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Speaker 17: away from that, which is absolutely true. And he said

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Speaker 17: that New Zealand stands with a number of other countries

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Speaker 17: and wanting and wanting a peaceful solution to that conflict there,

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Speaker 17: but one looks like a long way away.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Thomas, listen, thank you very much. Save travels. It's

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Speaker 5: Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political letters of traveling with the

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Speaker 5: Prime Minister in Shanghai. At the moment, it's ten away

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Speaker 5: from five putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 3: To me and Brown's the Health ministry. Of course, are

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Speaker 3: these numbers significant or just that? So it's an improvement.

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Speaker 18: We're committed to releasing this information so that the public

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Speaker 18: can see how well our health system is performing. But

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Speaker 18: ultimately there is still a long way to go.

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Speaker 3: Are you surprised about the angst around the private sectment?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 18: Look, there's lots of noise from the unions, the Labor Party,

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Speaker 18: various voices and other media. Of course, who just oppose

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Speaker 18: anything which is about actually getting things done for patients.

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Speaker 18: I don't think a patient key is when they're sitting

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Speaker 18: on the operating table and looking up at the ceiling

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Speaker 18: and going, oh, my goodness, who owns the roof for?

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Speaker 18: They're focused on getting their treatment done, and that is

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Speaker 18: my focus as Minister of Health, is getting the treatments

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Speaker 18: done that patients need.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: Maybe's Real Estate News Talk.

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Speaker 5: Z b Hi that the cowbells are awful. Many years ago,

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Speaker 5: I took three children they were eleven, seven and five

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Speaker 5: to Bay of Plenty versus Wycuttle and totung A Stadium.

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Speaker 5: We had a group of White Cuttle supporters just behind us.

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Speaker 5: The noise was so loud to ask them several times

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Speaker 5: to stop. We had to leave because the kids were

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Speaker 5: in tears due to the incredible noise. They just need

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Speaker 5: to be banned. They are horrible. Please see both sides

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Speaker 5: of a story. Well, I don't love banning other people's fun,

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Speaker 5: do you know? I mean, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 5: like this. There's obviously there's limits to the fun that

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Speaker 5: you can have. But I don't feel like a cowbell

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Speaker 5: comes anywhere near that limit, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Five away from by the way, we'll talk to Colin

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Speaker 5: about it. Colin Mansbridge, he'll be with us quarterbus five.

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Speaker 5: It's five away from five. Now I've got some very

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Speaker 5: potentially very exciting news for you. If you just cannot

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Speaker 5: be faffed with this climate nonsense, how good is this?

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Speaker 5: Scientists have found that there is a big, mysterious carbon

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Speaker 5: sinc around Fieldland. We don't know why, we don't know

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Speaker 5: what is going on, but our carbon is disappearing. I

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Speaker 5: don't even know that they had the ability to actually

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Speaker 5: measure this kind of stuff in this kind of detail,

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Speaker 5: but evidently they do, and they are just seeing all

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Speaker 5: this carbon disappearing around Fieldland, so much more than they thought.

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Speaker 5: In fact, this carbon sinc is sucking up around fifty

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Speaker 5: to one hundred and forty million tons a year more

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Speaker 5: than the previous estimates. Now, just to give you an

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Speaker 5: idea of how much carbon that is, that is the

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Speaker 5: equivalent of somewhere between one and three years worth of

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Speaker 5: all of New Zealand's carbon dioxide emissions. From human activities.

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Speaker 5: How good is that? That means that everything that you're doing,

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Speaker 5: that's driving your car, me driving my car, the German

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Speaker 5: flying to Fiji, ants, I don't know, eating meat like

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Speaker 5: all of that stuff that we're doing, we don't need

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Speaker 5: to feel bad about it because that carbon sink is

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Speaker 5: hovering it up for us. Now they don't know why, okay,

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Speaker 5: and this is the important thing. They don't know why,

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Speaker 5: and they need to investigate this a little bit more.

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Speaker 5: But it may simply be that native forests in the

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Speaker 5: South Island are much more sucky when it comes to

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Speaker 5: the carbon than we had actually thought. So we were all, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: they're doing it, done a little bit. Actually they're doing

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Speaker 5: a lot. So what this means is, potentially if this

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Speaker 5: actually is you know, if they go back and double triple,

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Speaker 5: quadruple check it and they find out that yes, they

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Speaker 5: are in fact accurate, what it means is we can

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Speaker 5: stop stressing out, which go helpful, eather, build another huntly,

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Speaker 5: sell carbon credits to other people, use that money to

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Speaker 5: pay for our own surgeries. Like we could do a

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Speaker 5: lot with this, actually if we want to do so.

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Speaker 5: That's a happy news story, isn't it. We'll just wait

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Speaker 5: for them to They are going to be very skeptical

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Speaker 5: the scientists, aren't they and be very because of their hearts.

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Speaker 5: They still want us to just stop flying for the

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Speaker 5: hell of it, right, They're like, oh, if you could

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Speaker 5: just just keep on trying, you know, like don't build

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Speaker 5: a building because it will released carbon or whatever. They

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Speaker 5: still want that. So this is this is not really

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Speaker 5: what they want to find, but I'm potentially very excited

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Speaker 5: about that. I'll keep you posted. We are going to

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Speaker 5: have a chat to Shane Ritti next about canceling the census,

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Speaker 5: which again is fantastic because that's four hundred million we

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Speaker 5: didn't have to spend. And then after that, let's check

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Speaker 5: in with Robert Patman to find out what is going

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Speaker 5: on with the US getting involved in this Israel Iran conflict.

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Speaker 5: News Talks by.

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Speaker 2: Digging through the spin to find the real story story.

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Speaker 2: It's he the Dupas drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 2: get connected News Talk.

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Speaker 5: Afternoon. The census is gon Berger. The government scrapping the

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Speaker 5: census and will instead use data it already collects through

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Speaker 5: agencies like IID and Immigration New Zealand. Plus there will

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Speaker 5: be smaller annual surveys to fill in the blank. Shane

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Speaker 5: Reti is the Minister for Statistics. High Shane, thank you

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Speaker 5: all to Heather. Will you be able to replace all

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Speaker 5: of the information with other information?

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Speaker 20: No, we won't be able to place all of the information,

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Speaker 20: but the essential information for census we will be able

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Speaker 20: to get through the gather through the three collection sources,

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Speaker 20: administrative data, and then an annual community attribute survey which

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Speaker 20: will go out to about five percent of households, and

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Speaker 20: then targeted surveying for those hard to reach communities, those

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Speaker 20: that we might not even reach with a conventional census.

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Speaker 14: Is what we're going to do.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so what kind of stuff are you going to

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Speaker 5: we'll fall out.

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Speaker 3: Of this.

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Speaker 20: Or it'll be things like languages spoken, really hard to

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Speaker 20: determine that For administrative data, what we're working hard on

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Speaker 20: at the moment is some of the level three and

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Speaker 20: level four ethnicities. That's kind of hard to gather as well.

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Speaker 20: But here's the advantage. By pushing out the census of

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Speaker 20: twenty twenty eight twenty thirty, we're now able to give

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Speaker 20: some direction to other agencies of hey, look we're light

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Speaker 20: in this space. Can you please shift up a gear

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Speaker 20: towards this information that you do collect, but we need

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Speaker 20: it collected in the style of this type by the state.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So for example, with like income information IID will

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Speaker 5: obviously have that does is IID IID and other government

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Speaker 5: departments sharing that kind of information with Statistics New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: Is it easy for them to collate it and send

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Speaker 5: it over.

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Speaker 20: We've got good robust mechanisms. ID is a good example.

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Speaker 20: There is a good pathway with Stats New Zealand. And

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Speaker 20: this is really important because as part of an economic

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Speaker 20: growth agenda we need really good economic data, which is

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Speaker 20: the other part of the announcement today.

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Speaker 5: Are you worried at all about government departments not wanting

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Speaker 5: to share information?

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Speaker 8: Look?

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Speaker 20: Under the Statistics Act there actually is a requirement yea.

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Speaker 5: But do you remember there was a case about three

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Speaker 5: years ago where ordering Atomitiki refuse to share information with Stats.

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Speaker 20: I do and that's certainly not the will of this

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Speaker 20: government and the CEE of Stats New Zealand is bringing

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Speaker 20: together all the other cees from the relevant agencies to

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Speaker 20: make it clear what their expectation is.

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Speaker 5: Is Stat's n Z up to the job, Shane.

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Speaker 20: Look, it's fair to say that there's been some fallovers

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Speaker 20: with stats in New Zealand and so actually part of

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Speaker 20: our job it also to build trust and to build

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Speaker 20: quality in stats New Zealand. I believe these skills are

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Speaker 20: there and certainly on this time frame that we have

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Speaker 20: that they'll be able to rebuild their reputation and deliver quality.

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Speaker 20: So yes, that is part of the work head.

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Speaker 5: Shane, thank you so much. Make appreciate it. That's Shane

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Speaker 5: that we see the Minister for Statistics.

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Speaker 3: Heather due for Sels.

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Speaker 5: Sounds like the US is considering getting involved in bombing Iran.

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Speaker 5: US media are reporting that Donald Trump's emergency meeting in

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Speaker 5: the White House was held to discuss whether the US

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Speaker 5: should join Israel in the attack. Robert Patman is Otago

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Speaker 5: University's professor of international relations and with US Now, Hey,

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Speaker 5: Robert evening, how do you rate the answers that they

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Speaker 5: get involved.

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Speaker 14: Well, he's the Republicans are split on this issue, and

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Speaker 14: he's obviously taking not only advice from colleagues, but soundings

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Speaker 14: from his party and the mega people who are his

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Speaker 14: bedrock support are very much against it, with people like

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Speaker 14: Steve Bannon saying that, you know, the president must stick

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Speaker 14: to his promise to be a peaceful president and keep

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Speaker 14: out America out of forever war was particularly wars in

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Speaker 14: the Middle East. On the other hand, no conservative Republicans.

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Speaker 14: They tend to take the view that the United States

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Speaker 14: should respond to nessa Who's official request for the United

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Speaker 14: States to enter the war alongside Israel. Remember this follows

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Speaker 14: an illegal and somewhat reckless attack by Nessiya Who about

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Speaker 14: five days ago. So it's a difficult decision I suppose

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Speaker 14: for the President to weigh, and he's going to have

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Speaker 14: to take very close account I think of, you know,

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Speaker 14: whether Nissan na Who's claim that Iran's very close to

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Speaker 14: nuclear bomb is credible or not.

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Speaker 5: It sounds like the US is the only one that

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Speaker 5: has a bomb big enough to take out that nuclear

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Speaker 5: site that Iran has underground. So if they want to

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Speaker 5: take out Iran's nuclear capability altogether, they really do have

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Speaker 5: to get involved, don't they.

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Speaker 14: Yes, But you know, you have to think this thing through.

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Speaker 14: If America goes ahead, that will only further incentivize Iran

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Speaker 14: in the future to develop the nuclear bomb. And the

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Speaker 14: knowledge that Iran has built up over many years now.

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Speaker 14: Iran is quite explicitly said repeatedly it wants nuclear energy,

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Speaker 14: but it does not want a nuclear weapon. And indeed,

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Speaker 14: the chief negotiator who was killed in the recent Israeli

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Speaker 14: attacks was televised in an interview saying two weeks ago

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Speaker 14: that Iran was quite willing to give an absolute category

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Speaker 14: surance that you will not develop nuclear weapons and will

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Speaker 14: accept on site inspection to make that happen. But it

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Speaker 14: wanted the right to develop nuclear energy. But the Trump

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Speaker 14: administration has moved away from that position. They they they'll

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Speaker 14: take the view that Iran can't have any nuclear capability,

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Speaker 14: whether peaceful or weaponized, and that's causing some concern amongst

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Speaker 14: many countries because obviously Israel has a nuclear capability, and

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Speaker 14: there are a number of countries in the world that

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Speaker 14: have nuclear energy that don't have nuclear weapons, such as

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Speaker 14: Japan and Germany.

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Speaker 5: Robert, thanks for talking us through to really appreciate your expertise.

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Speaker 5: That's Robert Patman, Professor of International Relations. Heller do for

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Speaker 5: c Allen here that does this mean this was really

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Speaker 5: the carbon sync? Does this mean that we can get

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Speaker 5: rid of the Climate Change Commission? They would be saving

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Speaker 5: a lot that's saving a lot of money right there. Yes,

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Speaker 5: I think so. Possibly, probably not, because you know would

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Speaker 5: have probably what we could do with the Climate Change

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Speaker 5: Commissioners turn them into a commission that figures out how

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Speaker 5: to monetize our carbon sinc. Hither the greens will be

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Speaker 5: even more irrelevant. Now I'm shedding tears for Chloe, Yes

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Speaker 5: we all are. Now you know how acc ACC doesn't.

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Speaker 5: You'll know this ACC doesn't just pay for you to

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Speaker 5: they will also provide you some financial support. Did you

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Speaker 5: know that it costs? Just last year, just that financial

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Speaker 5: support of paying people's wages cost two point five billion

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Speaker 5: dollars in one year. That's an extraordinary amount of money,

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Speaker 5: isn't it? That seems extreme?

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Speaker 13: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was more than one hundred and six I'd give

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Speaker 5: you the actual number, one hundred and sixty two thousand

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Speaker 5: people plus five hundred and seventy one, so one six

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Speaker 5: two five seventy one people who required financial support. They

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Speaker 5: coming to two point five billion dollars in two thousand

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Speaker 5: and four, the cost was less than one billion dollars. Now,

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Speaker 5: obviously inflation blah blah blah, But man, that's a lot

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Speaker 3: Heather dupery Ellen Hither.

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Speaker 5: I think Robert Patman's got it a bit wrong. If

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Speaker 5: they weren't building nuclear weapons, why would they have to

873
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 5: build the nuclear facilities three hundred feet below the surface. Look,

874
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 5: I think we all know what's going on here. They're

875
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 5: not building nuclear weapons, but they just have to keep

876
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 5: everything safe, far far away from any bombs. Hey, yeah, no,

877
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 5: we didn't come down in the last shower, and none

878
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 5: of us did. Eighteen past five. Now listen, there's been

879
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 5: a bit of cheek from the Crusaders ahead of the

880
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 5: Super Rugby Final. As we know, they've told the Chief

881
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 5: supporters attending Saturday's game that they're not allowed to bring

882
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 5: the cow bells in they love the cowbells if they

883
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 5: love the chiefs. This is what it usually sounds like.

884
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 5: Colin Mansbridge's Crusaders CEO, and he is with us. Now

885
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 5: did you like that, Colin?

886
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: Ah, there is awesome here, they're awesome.

887
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 5: Are you just niggling them? Is that all this is about?

888
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what you know politics, how you if

889
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 4: you're in government, you blame the opposition for everything that's

890
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 4: gone wrong. Well, I'm going to blame the opposition here.

891
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 4: So Simon, the CEO of the Chiefs, started just doing

892
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: these little wee techniques of just you know, bagging me

893
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 4: and and bagging us and just sort of throwing little

894
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 4: hats out there. And then he started on the cowbell thing.

895
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 4: Of course, like a groper, I came in fairly strong

896
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: and bit hard and large.

897
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: He took the back.

898
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 4: Now I can't control the thing. Yeah, I took the bait.

899
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: Can't control the thing now. But but but he's he's

900
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 4: you know, he's created a bit of an issue for

901
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: his own fans. Will Will We'll make sure that we

902
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 4: melt down all of the cowbells and turn them into

903
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 4: an amazing trophy.

904
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 5: That are you going to stick with us?

905
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 8: Are you?

906
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 5: You're not going to back down?

907
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, we're probably gone too far that there are. I'm

908
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 4: going to dutifully sorry. I'm going to seriously say that

909
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: the current venue, it will be its last finals are

910
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: Super ABI Final obviously, and the challenge for it is

911
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: is that the seat centers on it. Don't quote me

912
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: on the numbers. I think they're about three fifty mils or.

913
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 4: But there's somebody that seat the size of mine. It's

914
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 4: a bit of a squash.

915
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 6: Yeah.

916
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 4: And so you go to Eden Park, you got ethan

917
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: g you go to four Bar, you go to any

918
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 4: other venue in the country, and you've got a bit

919
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 4: of leg room and a bit of bum room. You

920
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: don't in this place.

921
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 5: So are you saying that cow bell's right in your face?

922
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 4: I reckon if you had a whole lot of people

923
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: now that we've incited a riot, turn up with cowboys

924
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 4: and start waving them around, I think we're probably going

925
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: to create a rather confrontational attitude off the field, and

926
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: we actually want it to be on the field. So

927
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: I think it's probably best that people don't bring them.

928
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 5: Hey, did you ban so Elliott wants to know, you

929
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 5: know who Elliott is. Elliott wants to know if you

930
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 5: banned cowbells for the semi final in twenty twenty two.

931
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 4: Now, I tell you what, though, the Chiefs stopped us

932
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 4: taking them flags up there, and when we played the

933
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 4: Final Hamilton a few years ago. So so look, I

934
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 4: think this is all about Simon and the Chiefs.

935
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 5: This is okay, so that but hold on, so that

936
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: semi final and twenty two was in the same venue. A, yes, yeah,

937
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 5: of course it wasn't an issue because they weren't.

938
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 4: There was a couple of cowboys got in, but there

939
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: weren't that many. And the reason there weren't that many

940
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: was because nobody has incited this, right, so we innocently,

941
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: ye were innocent. We're innocent here, we're innocent.

942
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 5: Oh well, listen, Colin, you're gonna have to stick with

943
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: it now that you've started to make best of like

944
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 5: and best of luck. Also for the game. That's Colin

945
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 5: Mansbridge the Crusaders CEO, wow, I do not take one na.

946
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 5: You can see how this is going.

947
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: Five checking the point of the story, it's hither duplassy

948
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 2: Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and news.

949
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 5: Dogs then b yeah, can you please make a PSA

950
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 5: to all the cheaps fans to bring their UI boom

951
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 5: speakers complete with the cowbells Spotify soundtrack listen, just so

952
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 5: that you are fully aware of what's going on here.

953
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 5: You do know that Colin and Andrew from the Blues

954
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 5: and all of these guys have got a WhatsApp group

955
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 5: and they you know, they've stitched this whole thing up.

956
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 5: And this is just performative, like a wrestling match. A

957
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 5: he's just being the bad guy. They're just trying to

958
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 5: wind us up and it's working. It is working. Five

959
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 5: twenty five. Now, look, if you want to understand why

960
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 5: Chris Bishop has surprised everybody today by giving government the

961
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 5: power to overall councils on their development plans, let me

962
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 5: tell you the story of number five three eight Kutrang

963
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 5: a hupbeir Road. This is the piece of land that

964
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 5: the developer, James Kirkpatrick chose, James Kirkpatrick Group chose for

965
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 5: where they wanted to build the eleven story office building

966
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 5: that they had planned. We want to put the offices

967
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 5: at the top and the shops at the street level,

968
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 5: and they obviously had to go to the council and

969
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: ask for permission. Great site they thought, probably thought it

970
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 5: would be a slam dunk because it's a great site.

971
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 5: It's near the new train station, very easy to reach

972
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 5: via the cycle way, very busy part of Auckland, council

973
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 5: said no. Council said no because it would dominate the

974
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 5: street front, and no because it would compromise the heritage

975
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 5: of the local area, as in, wouldn't look quite right.

976
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 5: Do you know what's there at the moment? A car park?

977
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 5: Been there for ages car park. That's what they would

978
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: rather have. Now, this is the kind of stupid decision

979
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 5: making that you get at council level, and that is

980
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 5: why Chris Bishop is giving himself the power to override

981
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 5: decisions like that one. Now. I don't, as a rule,

982
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 5: love central government overruling councils who are also elected by us,

983
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 5: and I do not love everything that Chris Bishop does

984
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 5: when it comes to housing density. There is plenty I

985
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 5: disagree with him on, but on this occasion I'm leaning

986
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 5: towards thinking that he's doing the right thing. Because the

987
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 5: older I get, the more I realize that councils have

988
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 5: way too many half wits making decisions, and there are

989
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 5: way too many people around the council table who think

990
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 5: they can get away with just not paying attention. Like

991
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 5: do you remember the time when we found out that

992
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 5: Auckland's mayor had no idea that he'd voted for something

993
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 5: because he'd actually deseel it, delegated the decision making on

994
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 5: that subject to Ken the West Auckland Mechanic. Now, if

995
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 5: that's the kind of effort that's being put in, and

996
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 5: if decisions like the one on k Road is the

997
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 5: kind of stupidity that's being produced, then it's probably better

998
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 5: for all of us if Chris Bishop does have the

999
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 5: final say.

1000
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: Don't you think ever due for see Allen?

1001
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 5: Now, the three year old and I went for a

1002
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 5: cycle past the New World this morning in Auckland to

1003
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 5: take a look because he loves the fire trucks, and

1004
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 5: I am. I don't know if you've seen what's happened

1005
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 5: to that New World, but I suspect that it's going

1006
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 5: to be bold, don't you. I think this is a

1007
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 5: very good chance it's going to be bold, because that

1008
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 5: thing looks to me like it is munted. The roof

1009
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 5: has collapsed, the plastic has melted, blah blah blah. Anyway,

1010
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 5: you don't care. I care because that was my supermarket.

1011
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 5: That's where my pineapple slice was. You don't care about that.

1012
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 5: But what you may care about is the fact that

1013
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 5: it's becoming pretty obvious that the construction started it and

1014
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 5: I just wonder if after this in the sky towers,

1015
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 5: the old of Sky City situation, we may want to

1016
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 5: ask out construction blokes to just you know, be a

1017
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 5: little careful with the tools and the sparks. Thank you

1018
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 5: very much. Headlines.

1019
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: Next, we can dance. We can dance online.

1020
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1021
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

1022
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: get connected news talks.

1023
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: There'd be.

1024
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 5: Head why would you bother being an elected member? Now,

1025
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 5: very good question. We will discuss the short lived listen

1026
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 5: after six I just got to tell you we're going

1027
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 5: to talk about the fact the IID has caught the

1028
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 5: horticulture industry underpaying taxes to the tune of forty five

1029
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 5: million dollars and the huddle's standing by right now it's

1030
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 5: twenty four away from Sex. Now, on the subject of councils,

1031
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 5: the Housing Minister Chris Bishop, as I told you earlier,

1032
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 5: is giving himself new powers basically to change local council

1033
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 5: plans by overriding councils. Cabinet has agreed that they will

1034
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 5: change the r made to let them get rid of

1035
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 5: any provision in a local council plan that will negatively

1036
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 5: affect economic growth, employment or development. Neil Holdham is the

1037
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 5: mayor of New Plymouth and with us now.

1038
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 8: Hey Neil, get ahead of heat.

1039
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 5: IM well, thank you? Do you like this or no?

1040
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 21: Yeah, I just want to acknowledge mister Bishop for listening.

1041
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 21: I went and saw him shortly after the coalition government

1042
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 21: formed and articulated our frustration with the planning process. The

1043
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 21: reality is that elected council members have very little to

1044
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 21: no involvement in the development of district plans. These things

1045
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 21: suck in millions of dollars there. They're basically written by

1046
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 21: a kind of elite bureaucracy of planners and you know,

1047
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 21: we've had very limited influence on them, and they've tied

1048
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 21: New Zealand up in knots the delayed housing. Essentially, the

1049
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 21: way the process of planning works, I mean your post.

1050
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 21: The district council spent about eight years developing and finalizing

1051
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 21: a district plan. And the process is you bring in commissioners,

1052
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 21: you pay them huge amounts of money. They sit there

1053
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 21: and run the process for you, and at the end

1054
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 21: of it you have two choices. You either yes or no.

1055
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 21: There's no no ability.

1056
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 8: To change it.

1057
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 21: If you change it, you're exposed to court action, millions

1058
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 21: of dollars down the drain. And actually we've ended up

1059
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 21: with a district plan that that you know, is full

1060
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 21: of things that are just difficult, annoying, and it just

1061
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 21: panned us to a kind of elite group of planners

1062
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 21: and lawyers that bogs New Zealand down. And you know,

1063
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 21: it's these layers of bureaucracy and rules are cutting down

1064
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 21: our ability to do stuff. We've got limited capital and

1065
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 21: it's been eroded by these processes and compliance with you know,

1066
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 21: with the best intentions, we've just buried ourselves. Minister Bishop

1067
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 21: has listened and he's basically come up with, you know,

1068
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 21: with it, saying it's going to take a couple of

1069
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 21: years to fix this stuff, but in the interim we're

1070
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 21: just going to pull the cork out of the bottle.

1071
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 5: And I think on we need to change the way

1072
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 5: that we do it. I mean, rather than going through

1073
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 5: that whole kafuffle that you just explained, shouldn't we do

1074
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 5: something like have one giant plan for the country that

1075
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 5: can be tweaked if you need to tweak it for

1076
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 5: your area or something like that, rather than having every

1077
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 5: single council go through this for so many years.

1078
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 21: Look, I think that regional plans instead of you know

1079
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 21: where I am there. You know there's three district councils

1080
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 21: and a regional council and you know, regional plans because look,

1081
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 21: Auckland is different from Tutanaki, is different from Southland. So

1082
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 21: I think there we don't need whatever it is seventy something.

1083
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 21: I think you know a dozen or fourteen across New Zealand,

1084
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 21: but with some common threads. I think that there should

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00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 21: be some elements of plans that are the same across

1086
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 21: the whole of New Zealand.

1087
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 22: And I think.

1088
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 21: Minister Bishop has listened. He's trying to simplify these things

1089
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 21: because I mean, I'll go back to it's this concept

1090
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 21: of layering rules and regulations. I think it's really good

1091
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 21: that we think about the environment. And if you think

1092
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 21: about the first rules that that sort of came in

1093
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 21: and said, hey, luck, you know, you don't necessarily want

1094
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 21: to put a chuck shed in the middle of town

1095
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 21: by you know, in a suburb, that sort of thing.

1096
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 21: But what's happened is we've just piled on regulations and

1097
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 21: we never took any off. And now you know when

1098
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 21: you when you go to stick a spare room on

1099
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 21: the back of your house and then you find you

1100
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 21: got to spend five grand to get a planet to

1101
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 21: look at it, and then they go, oh, actually I'm

1102
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 21: not sure about your fire alarm system. Well it's let's

1103
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 21: get an independent consultant in there to do a thing

1104
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 21: and you can pay for that. And then they go, actually,

1105
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 21: I'm not sure that that that I believe that things,

1106
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 21: so I'll get my own one and then I'll charge

1107
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 21: you for that. And we just you know, a year

1108
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 21: later and you're twenty grand in the hull and all

1109
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 21: you wanted to do was chuck a spare room on

1110
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 21: the back.

1111
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 8: You speaks my labor.

1112
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it. Thank you mate, really appreciate your

1113
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 5: insight there. Neil Holdham, new Plymouth Mayor.

1114
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southurby's International Realty find you're

1115
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: one of the.

1116
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 5: Kind on the huddle of this this evening, Mike Monroe

1117
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 5: and David Farrahllo.

1118
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 8: You too, good evening. Did you like you?

1119
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 5: I'm very well, Mike. Did you like the sound of

1120
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 5: what you just heard from? Neil?

1121
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 23: Many children? Halfway through it.

1122
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 8: Well, he a good mare.

1123
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 23: Hold him.

1124
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 5: He does seem like a good guy. He was basically

1125
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 5: saying that the process is all done. This is district

1126
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 5: planning is all done by these unelected officials who take

1127
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 5: years to do it. It cost millions of dollars, and by

1128
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 5: the end of it, you're stuck with a plan no

1129
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 5: one particularly likes, can't do anything about it. Too expensive.

1130
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 5: So this is why you have to have the likes

1131
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 5: of Chris Bishop coming over the top and change things.

1132
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 23: Ooh, interesting you interesting you. It feels very heavy handed

1133
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 23: what Bishop is actually doing, because this government has gone

1134
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 23: on a lot in recent years about localism, about and

1135
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 23: you're putting these big decisions back in the hands of

1136
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 23: local communities and local councils and this sense freethe of

1137
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 23: counter to that.

1138
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 5: Yep, I would agree with that, although I think in

1139
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 5: this case I'm going to cut them some slack on

1140
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 5: that because I like what he's doing.

1141
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 22: What do you think, David Well, Well, I think what

1142
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 22: the mayor says is right. They're lot and theory decisions

1143
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 22: to live with local communities, but the reality is they

1144
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 22: lie with a few town planning staff who have great influence,

1145
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 22: and there's some price to do in it override what

1146
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 22: the government's pot up is. If we can make the

1147
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 22: case that these decisions are really hinder house prices, economic growth.

1148
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 22: Will consult and we'll talk to council, but we ultimately

1149
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 22: can override it. And you know, if people lotally don't

1150
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 22: like it, there's local impasion, might not re elected. There's

1151
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 22: party vote to worry about. So I think it's okay

1152
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 22: because the reality just is that the planning restrictions we

1153
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 22: have in New Zealand that have been terrible, there's no

1154
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 22: other word for it. There's a reason our house price

1155
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 22: is the biggest rising over the last fifteen years in

1156
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 22: the world.

1157
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think you make a good point, then, Mike,

1158
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 5: I'm on the census, so you going to miss it?

1159
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 23: Well, yes, I can fondly remember, you know, the old

1160
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 23: days when sent to staff came door to door, and

1161
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 23: mind you, that's all well nigh and possible now. So

1162
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 23: it's with dangerous dogs roaming our sections and apartment blocks

1163
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 23: or whatever and millions of people. Yeah, but you know,

1164
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 23: we keep sort of going back and forth on this.

1165
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 23: So we we tried this of electronic approach in two

1166
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 23: thousand and was it eighteen or nineteen. Anyway, it was

1167
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 23: a complete disaster and the boss had to get sacked

1168
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 23: though oak Fender recall. Then we went back to then

1169
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 23: we went back to the dear old paper since in

1170
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 23: twenty three and here we go changing again. We just

1171
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 23: sort of need to sort of work out, you know,

1172
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 23: what's the best way forward.

1173
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 5: Here it's gone, it's gone. You can't go it's gone, right,

1174
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 5: I mean, you can uncancel it, but I doubt it

1175
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 5: very much. So that's that's what we've decided. Scrap the

1176
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 5: whole thing good.

1177
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 23: Yes, yeah, but it sounds it sounds like the Brits

1178
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 23: that went down this path and then they changed their

1179
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 23: mind and they going back to more judicial approach. So

1180
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 23: you know, I mean, how hard is it in this

1181
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 23: day and age to work out what's going to work best.

1182
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 23: We've got this big istion of declining trust in government

1183
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 23: and high in the rates, so the sensors are not

1184
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 23: working well in the way. So I would have thought that,

1185
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 23: you know, smart of minds of mind would have been

1186
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 23: applying yourself to this for some times. We need this

1187
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 23: data and we need to get a sort of out, Yeah.

1188
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 5: David, I mean the thing about it is, I think

1189
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 5: the census clearly wasn't working, but nor is really information

1190
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 5: sharing between government departments, is it. So we're going to

1191
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 5: kind of end up with a bit of a patchy

1192
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 5: thing either way.

1193
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 22: Yeah, look, I'm a bit angry over that. The decision

1194
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 22: was probably necessary because the official advice was we're paying

1195
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 22: more and more money every five years to get these

1196
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 22: and less people complete out cost one hundred but would

1197
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 22: we say it should not cost four hundred million dollars?

1198
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 22: In ophulsed that in a sense, the census is a

1199
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 22: big pole. There's around forty fifty question, but we want

1200
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 22: everyone in the country to take part rather than a sample,

1201
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 22: and you have to really good infrastructure privacy around it.

1202
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 22: But what we have pulling infrastructure that deals with millions

1203
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 22: of people all around the globe, and it really should

1204
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 22: not cost four hundred years.

1205
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 5: Okay, So the cost is one thing that I was

1206
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 5: talking to Laura the German about this today and she

1207
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 5: said she doesn't like and she's smart, David. She is smart,

1208
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 5: and she is a normal human being. She gets her vaccinations,

1209
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 5: all that stuff listens to the mainstream media. She said

1210
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 5: she doesn't want to have to answer the question about

1211
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 5: what she gets paid in how big her houses doesn't

1212
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 5: think the government needs to have that information.

1213
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 22: Yeah, Well, the thing is what they're doing is it's

1214
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 22: a bitcunning because they're the name. Well, we actually know

1215
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 22: what you earn anyway, because I details us. So we'll

1216
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 22: just use that data from IRD two to work it

1217
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 22: out anyway. But I think you do lose a bove

1218
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 22: trust when the government's just saying here is the official

1219
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 22: DARHA based on our secret data bases, rather than being

1220
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 22: able to say we went down and knocked on every

1221
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 22: door and emailed every person.

1222
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 5: And now, David, no, no, that's I think you know

1223
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 5: you're overthinking this. I mean, we know the government knows

1224
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 5: how much we're getting paid, so that's not a surprise to.

1225
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 22: Us, not on the payment stuff. But there is going

1226
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 22: to be relying on the strait of data. Yeah, is

1227
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 22: not going to be quite as good. And what's going

1228
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 22: to be interesting is the youth census data to set

1229
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 22: the electoral boundaries. Now, if there's not going to be

1230
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 22: a census, how are they going to be set? Will

1231
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 22: just be on whatever the steps New Zone UN says

1232
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 22: as the population at any point at the time, So

1233
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 22: there's going to be some big ramifications for them.

1234
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 5: Yep, they make a very good point. Okay, we'll take

1235
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 5: a break with you guys. Come back shortly fourteen away from.

1236
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve

1237
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

1238
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 5: Back with Mike Monroe and David Farrer. Mike, see that

1239
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 5: decision that David Syamore was taken today to basically make

1240
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 5: malatonin available over the count So what do you make

1241
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 5: of that?

1242
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 23: Well, as somebody who suffers from urd of in somnia,

1243
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 23: all power to us, am I say, Now, look, I

1244
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 23: think it's a good idea. I mean, I mean, jet

1245
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 23: bag and in somnia are very irritating conditions. This one's

1246
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 23: clearly been to have pulled over by by by the experts.

1247
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 23: It's just not David Seymore coming up with a bright

1248
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 23: idea of the middle of the night. Is that there's

1249
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 23: been a lot of discussions about this for some time,

1250
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 23: and and you know, given the numbers of people who

1251
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 23: who require these sorts of medications to just to get

1252
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 23: through their you know, their daily lives. Look, I'm quite

1253
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 23: comfortable with that. Yes, it's you know, it's it's been,

1254
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 23: it's been in the making for a while, and I

1255
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 23: think it's about time that it arrived.

1256
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 5: David. I tell you what surprises me about this is

1257
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 5: how long we put up with this kind of nonsense.

1258
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 5: The US you can buy it over the counter. Australia

1259
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 5: you can buy it over the counter. We fly there,

1260
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 5: we buy it over the counter there, and then we

1261
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 5: come home and we just think, God's fine. Can't do

1262
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 5: it in New Zealand. Isn't that remarkable?

1263
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 22: E reminds me of the nineteen seventies when you had

1264
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 22: to get a prescription to get margarine. Yeah, but it

1265
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 22: was okay, but but you had to prove you had

1266
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,959
Speaker 22: a need for margarine to get Look malotphone. So many

1267
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 22: parents have they've got kids who might be ADHD on

1268
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 22: the spectrum, don't settled as a lifesaver. Well, I seenity

1269
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 22: savor anyway, and you might know about about not having

1270
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 22: sleep with young ones. And I am amazed that it

1271
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 22: has been so difficult that you've had to go through

1272
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 22: the prescription rope for it rather than you know what

1273
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 22: they've gotten in the US.

1274
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 5: So yes, well over, And also, is there something and

1275
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 5: what is up with us, David? That we always that

1276
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 5: we do this kind of stuff that we make. You

1277
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 5: get a prescription for margarine that we make you you

1278
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 5: have to jump through hoops from melatonin? Are we just

1279
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 5: know people?

1280
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 22: We're polite? Wait, I think people you will be part

1281
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 22: of the key reculture is that we took just as

1282
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 22: the process you go through at THEE and it takes

1283
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 22: a few individuals. She makes something into a cause to

1284
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 22: change that.

1285
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 5: I think we love a rule, mic I think we

1286
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 5: like to complain about it, but we love a rule,

1287
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 5: don't we.

1288
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 23: Yeah, we do. Banning cowbells at rugby stadiums.

1289
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 5: Now, how do you feel about it?

1290
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 23: Well, I think it's I think it's petty. Actually, Look,

1291
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 23: I haven't been too games in Hamilton that I watch

1292
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 23: games on the television and I get irritated by the

1293
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 23: cow bells too.

1294
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 4: But hey, look it's.

1295
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 23: All about you know that particular support days, you know,

1296
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 23: gene up their team and showing they're there and making

1297
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 23: a bit of noise and it's long as it goes

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Speaker 23: on forever. They do it at the start of the game,

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Speaker 23: they do it when their team's on the attack or

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Speaker 23: maybe win a trial is called. And I think that,

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Speaker 23: you know, we just need to have a bit of

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Speaker 23: atmosphere at these stadiums because we do have a very

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Speaker 23: button down approach in New Zealand and we've san a

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Speaker 23: lot of things at stadiums. It gets bit defeication, you know,

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Speaker 23: the chiefs. The chiefs are the guests down there on

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Speaker 23: Saturday night and it doesn't make them feel very welcome.

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Speaker 23: It's not putting this band and if.

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Speaker 5: We get here, not a lot of monarchy tongue is it? David?

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Speaker 22: Is measthetic what they have done trying to justify Oh,

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Speaker 22: this stadium is the best of a small crown. What

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Speaker 22: hence he ever actually been? Like, let's ask acc how

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Speaker 22: many people have reported injuries due to someone waving a

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01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 22: cowbirl at a rugby game. It's obviously done just because

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Speaker 22: they don't want the other team to get the sort

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Speaker 22: of moral boost from it. You know, I remember go

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Speaker 22: old days when you know the Crusaders actually had the

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Speaker 22: horses charging around the field and well horse might have

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Speaker 22: jumped over. So let's bend that too. You know, trust people,

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Speaker 22: you know, if you bring a cowbell, don't bonk us

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Speaker 22: into your neighbor. Otherwise go for it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, love a rule, We love a rule, guys, Thank

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Speaker 5: you so much. Mike Monroe, David Ferra a Hudle. This

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Speaker 5: evening eight away from.

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Speaker 3: Six, It's the Heather Duper.

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Speaker 2: See Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my hard radio

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Speaker 2: how By News talks.

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Speaker 1: It be.

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Speaker 3: Hither.

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Speaker 5: We just came back from the States. We bought three

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01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 5: bottles of melatonin back with us, which we declared on

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 5: the way through. Customs took it off us and then

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01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 5: they sent it to Medsafe and then they required a

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Speaker 5: prescription from the GP. And when I provided that, they

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 5: sent it to my GP's clinics so that I could

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Speaker 5: collect it. What a waste of time and money. I'm

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Speaker 5: glad to see some comments. And can you imagine, just

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01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 5: imagine how much money that cost for the customs guys

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Speaker 5: to take it right. Then they had to fin out

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Speaker 5: some paperwork, and then they weren't doing their customers jobs

1340
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 5: they were filling out the paperwork. Then they had to

1341
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Speaker 5: put it in a container, and then they had to

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Speaker 5: hold it for you, and somebody had to file it

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Speaker 5: in a little data thing on the computer to be

1344
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 5: like we've got We've got Sarah's malatonin. And then when

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Speaker 5: you and send it to oh, they sent it to

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 5: med safe. Medsafe says We've got Sarah's melatonin. You go

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Speaker 5: to the GP. The GP then gets in touch with Medsafe,

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Speaker 5: then Medsafe. So now we've already got one career package

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Speaker 5: from customs to mead Safe, and now we need another

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01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 5: career package from Medsafe to your GP. Oh do you

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Speaker 5: not sometimes just get so frustrated with the stupid rules

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Speaker 5: that come on? Guys, Come on, we lived through Muldoon.

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Speaker 5: We know these rules are dumb. Right, Let's not put

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Speaker 5: up with this anymore. Let's go that's a dumb rule,

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Speaker 5: get rid of it.

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Speaker 2: I'm just that sounds like a stupid rule right now.

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Speaker 5: I don't know about you, but David, did you hear

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Speaker 5: when David said that there's a tip line for stupid rules.

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Speaker 5: I heard him say that, but I didn't think about

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Speaker 5: it anymore. But now I'm really exercised, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: dig up that tip line for you, and we are

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Speaker 5: going to have and we're gonna make one of those

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Speaker 5: little things like that with the tip line information. So

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Speaker 5: every time there's a stupid rule, I'm gonna play it

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Speaker 5: for you. And let's just get that thing firing, right.

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Speaker 5: Let's give them lots of things to unwine, because I

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Speaker 5: don't need this kind of crap in my life anymore,

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Speaker 5: do you what? I'm an adult. I want the Malatona.

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Speaker 5: I should be able to buy it. I want medsafe

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Speaker 5: and customs using up our taxpayer money with career packages.

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Speaker 5: Have you seen much of career costs?

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Speaker 6: How annoying?

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Speaker 5: Anyway, Listen, looks like the old global markets are shrugging

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Speaker 5: off the Israel Ruan conflict. Look, we're all glued to

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 5: it and we're all thinking, geez, what's about to happen?

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01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 5: But that on the global markets it doesn't look like

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Speaker 5: they care all that much. We'll have a chat to

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01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 5: more fed Acid management about that in about half an

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Speaker 5: hour's time. But next ird on how they're cracking down

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Speaker 5: on the horticulture sector for those unpaid taxes. News talks AB.

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Speaker 2: Exkive what where, Business meets Insight, The Business Hour with

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Speaker 5: Even in coming up in the next hour. It turns

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Speaker 5: out the lawyers were called in to deal with the

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01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 5: Reserve Bank fighting with the Treasury over funding. Will get

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Speaker 5: you across that. Also, have a look at the market

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01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 5: reaction to the Iran Conflict and Westpact on the consumer

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Speaker 5: Confidence numbers seven past six. Now the IID has the

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Speaker 5: horticulture industry underpaying taxes to the tune of forty five

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Speaker 5: million dollars. Tony Morris is a spokesperson for IID with

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Speaker 5: a snow hey, Tony the head very well, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Is it more than you were expecting.

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Speaker 24: A little bit more for the tenmants so far? But

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Speaker 24: it is an industry where there's a risk of tax

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Speaker 24: not being paid or either intentionally or not intentionally.

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Speaker 5: Why is it a risk for this industry, Well, it's.

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Speaker 24: An industry where there's plenty of cash. There's sort of

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Speaker 24: a transient workforce, so the growers need to employ lots

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Speaker 24: of different people, not for a whole year, at different times.

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Speaker 24: So what we see in the industry is the growers

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Speaker 24: who need people to pick for them, they tend to

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Speaker 24: employ a contracting firm who employ all the pickers. And

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Speaker 24: the contracting firms at times can actually also contract to

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Speaker 24: another contracting firm to contract to the pickers. So it's

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Speaker 24: quite a complex industry. And if there's payments going through

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Speaker 24: with cash or what else, it's easy to sort of

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 24: get lost or things that happen intentionally where it's hard

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Speaker 24: to attract the money and not all the taxes paid correctly.

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Speaker 5: So how did you crack down on this? Is this

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Speaker 5: basically because you've got that extra funding for enforcement.

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Speaker 24: S anario that we've been looking at for a few years,

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Speaker 24: I mean, working cross gavernment to try and come up

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Speaker 24: with some solutions, but certainly the excellent using the extra

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Speaker 24: money as well to increase what we're doing over the

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Speaker 24: next year or so so a but both really, but

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Speaker 24: certainly something that's something that we need to keep working on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you put the cibosh on this?

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Speaker 24: It's one of those tricky problems. Certainly we're doing audits

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Speaker 24: where we need to and investigations, but the more we

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Speaker 24: can do to actually try and get the paid text

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Speaker 24: early is the best results. So what we've seen over

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Speaker 24: ours years is we're trying to actually work with the

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Speaker 24: growers who you know who generally are doing the right

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Speaker 24: thing and want to make the industry safe, and working

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Speaker 24: with the industry to put more on them to make

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Speaker 24: sure that they can or we're told, texts from the

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Speaker 24: contracting firms, or make sure the contracting firms are viable

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Speaker 24: and compliant and similar with the contracting firms around when

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Speaker 24: they're paying the pickers, they're deducting texts early, so we're

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Speaker 24: not leaving the text to come from the pickers at

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Speaker 24: the end of the day, but trying to get the

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Speaker 24: text early on as the money's being passed across. But

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Speaker 24: a joint problem, but it's one of those ones that

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Speaker 24: I can educate people get the text early in the transactions.

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Speaker 24: That's the best way for us to go.

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Speaker 5: Good stuff, Tony, best of luck with it. I really

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Speaker 5: appreciate your time. Tony Morris, in Land Revenue Department spokesperson.

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Speaker 5: By the way, I think they're called just the Inland

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Speaker 5: Revenue now, aren't they?

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Speaker 4: I are?

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Speaker 5: And I don't know about you, but maybe this is

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01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 5: just a sign of me getting old. But I don't

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01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 5: care if they change their name. I will call them

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Speaker 5: what I have always called them. Do you do that

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Speaker 5: as well? So it's IID for me and they're like

1447
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 5: a man name's ordering a tamiki? Your sifts in my

1448
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Speaker 5: head till the day I die, Ladies or you know,

1449
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 5: like what's they called now? Cayeing or order house in

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Speaker 5: New Zealand? Do you know what I mean? Might just

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 5: be an age thing. But also don't pretend that you

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01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 5: got better just because you changed your name. I know

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Speaker 5: better than that. Okay, Burma quite happy to own it.

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Speaker 5: Wellington City Council. This came out yesterday, I think, But

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody has done a proper look at

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01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 5: the numbers, because I haven't seen this reported anywhere to

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01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 5: any kind of great detail. So I've gone and had

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Speaker 5: a look at the numbers for you. Wellington City Council

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Speaker 5: has released its annual survey of how residents feel about

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Speaker 5: it and it is not flash. Only twenty seven percent

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Speaker 5: in Wellington trust their council. Imagine that one in four

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Speaker 5: people are like, yep, this council, I trust them, three

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Speaker 5: and four like not at all. That's a shocker, isn't it.

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 5: Number of people who have a sense of pride in

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Speaker 5: the way that Wellington looks and feels forty five percent,

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Speaker 5: as in fifty five percent of people going, nah, not

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 5: proud of it anymore. Wellington City Council makes decisions that

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Speaker 5: are in the best interests of the city twenty three percent.

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Speaker 5: Twenty six percent do not think they're making it decisions

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Speaker 5: that are in the best interests of the city. The

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Speaker 5: number of people satisfied or the proportion of people satisfied

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Speaker 5: with their council thirty six percent. The reason that people

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Speaker 5: have the satisfaction is also quite interesting. So thirty three

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Speaker 5: percent of people don't feel satisfied because they are seeing

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01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 5: excessive spending or spending on things that are not essential.

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Speaker 5: The number of the proportion of people who have concerned

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01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 5: about the priorities and essential infrastructure thirty one percent, the

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 5: proportion of people who have concerns about the mayor and

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01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 5: the counselors thirty percent, so one in three. And the

1480
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Speaker 5: proportion of people who have dissatisfaction with cycle lanes and

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Speaker 5: the way it's being done twenty nine percent. There is

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Speaker 5: some good news, I'm not gonna lie. There's eighty three

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01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 5: percent of people satisfied with the rec centers. Seventy seven

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Speaker 5: percent satisfied with pools, which is always funny to me,

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01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 5: because when are you swimming? Come on, it's Wellington. You

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01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 5: have winter like ten months of the year anyway, whatever,

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01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 5: so for the two months that they go swimming, they

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Speaker 5: love it. Eighty one percent satisfied with curbside waste collection,

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Speaker 5: eighty six percent satisfied with artificial turf sports field. Weirdly,

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Speaker 5: these results were so secret before being released that even

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Speaker 5: the elected counselors, who people don't really particularly like by

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01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 5: the looks of things, were not able to see an

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Speaker 5: early copy ahead of the briefing from the council staff,

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Speaker 5: which happened at three o'clock, So and the lead up

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01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 5: to three o'clock couldn't see at three o'clock they got

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Speaker 5: at all, because that's how Wellington City Council rolls, very secretive,

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Speaker 5: even with stuff like this. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 5: past six. Now the Finance Minister has revealed that there

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Speaker 5: was some top, top level legal advice that was sought

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Speaker 5: over the Reserve Bank's battle with Treasury, and this was

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Speaker 5: overfunding and Nichola Willis revealed it this morning. She found

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Speaker 5: some of the bank's accounting methods questionable. I became aware

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01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 5: that the Reserve Bank had engaged in a practice where

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01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 5: it was bringing forward under spins, which had the effect

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Speaker 5: of ramping up its effect of budget Janative TRAINI is

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Speaker 5: the Herald's Wellington Business editam with us Hey Jana Hey

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01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 5: Heather seems like a reasonably significant step to get that

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01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 5: legal advice and doesn't it.

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Speaker 25: Well, I guess there was a pretty big debate that

1515
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 25: went on at the Reserve Bank and with the Treasury.

1516
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 25: The Reserve Bank gets an envelope of funding every five

1517
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 25: years from the government effectively, and you know, there are

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01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 25: a couple of ways you can look at that. Look

1519
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 25: at that. You can say, well, it can spend that

1520
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 25: envelope over the five years as it wishes, or you

1521
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 25: can divvy up that envelope year by year and then

1522
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 25: if you know, if it underspends one year, it can

1523
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 25: carry that underspen forward to the next and spend more

1524
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 25: that year. So that's what the Reserve Bank had done

1525
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 25: and Nikola Willis didn't like that. And now under the

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01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 25: new funding agreement that takes effect next month, they can't

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01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 25: carry forward underspends.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So yeah, now did she get any questions about

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01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 5: Neil Quigley.

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Speaker 25: She did and actually I would just go back to

1531
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 25: this funding thing. I thought it was interesting she appeared

1532
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 25: before Select Committee and Labor's Barbara Edmonds decided to focus

1533
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 25: on this underspend issue. She sounded like she, you know,

1534
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 25: was empathetic to the perspective that Adrian or had around this,

1535
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 25: and you know, his his big argument was that the

1536
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 25: government shouldn't get so involved with the Reserve Bank and

1537
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 25: that the independence of the Reserve Bank was really important.

1538
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 25: And you know, Adrian authought that the government was you know,

1539
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 25: flexing a bit too much by trying to control how

1540
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 25: it used its funding. So it was interesting that that

1541
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 25: Barbara Edmonds kind of, you know, it seemed like she

1542
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 25: was sort of had had some empathy for that perspective.

1543
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 25: I'm not sure how well that that view would resid

1544
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 25: they politically, you know, in terms of politicians always try

1545
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 25: to get a few hits in these committees. But yes,

1546
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 25: she did also ask about Neil Quigley, that's the chair

1547
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 25: of the Reserve Bank Board. You know here that you've

1548
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 25: talked about this a lot on your show. The way

1549
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 25: he handled, you know, communication around Adrianaw's resignation was pretty terrible.

1550
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 25: Nichola Willis has continued to say that she thinks the

1551
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 25: Reserve Bank should have talked about, you know, not withheld

1552
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 25: information about H's resignation for as long as it did.

1553
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 25: But she hasn't gone so fast to say she doesn't

1554
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 25: have confidence in Neil Quigley. She sees she still has

1555
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 25: confidence in him, and you know, he's got an important

1556
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 25: job to do because they need to appoint a new governor.

1557
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 5: Totally, and so obviously you need a little bit of stability.

1558
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 5: So there is a case for him to stick around

1559
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 5: for a little bit. I can see that. But the

1560
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 5: Reserve Bank itself doesn't appear to have learned anything about

1561
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 5: being more transparent. Hasn't because it's still being weird and cagey.

1562
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 25: Well, you know, this is the thing. It's sort of

1563
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 25: shot itself on the foot because of the way it

1564
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 25: handled Adrianaw's resignation. It didn't just tell us on the day,

1565
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 25: look this is what happened, or it didn't tell us

1566
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 25: soon after, Look this is what happened. It's not that

1567
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 25: this is not some big scandal. Because of that, you know,

1568
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 25: we are now paying more attention to everything the Reserve

1569
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,839
Speaker 25: Bank does, and one of the members of its Monetary

1570
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 25: Policy committee. That's the committee that sets the OCR. Prisana Guy,

1571
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 25: he did a speech at an Auckland Chamber of Commerce

1572
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 25: event a week ago. This speech was newsworthy in my

1573
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 25: perspective because it was only the second time that an

1574
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 25: external member of that committee gave a speech. It's also

1575
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 25: newsworthy because Prosana guy is someone who some people think

1576
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 25: might be the next governor of the Reserve Bank. We

1577
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 25: wanted to go along to listen to what he had

1578
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 25: to say, and the Reserve Bank said no, They said no. Media.

1579
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 25: They published some slides that showed what Prosana talked about,

1580
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 25: but the speech wasn't live streamed or broadcast. So you know,

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01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 25: that has raised a few eyebrows because whatever anyone on

1582
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 25: that committee said can be market sensitive. You know, they

1583
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 25: might give insight into, you know, what the committee might

1584
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 25: do next with the OCR. It is good practice for

1585
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,480
Speaker 25: that information to be widely available.

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01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 8: Now.

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 25: I have no reason to believe Prasana said something that

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01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 25: was you know, that would give some people information they

1589
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 25: could trade on. But it all just does amount to

1590
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 25: this sort of picture of the Reserve Bank being particularly

1591
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 25: CAG unnecessarily KG.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps it's weird in CAG Jene, thanks very much, appreciate it.

1593
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 5: Jane to Pirni, the Herald's Wellington Business editor, just really

1594
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 5: quickly on the Tourism Holding's takeover offer. Analysts reckon that

1595
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 5: the price being offered isn't enough. The price being offered

1596
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 5: is two dollars thirty. Now on Friday, that might have

1597
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 5: looked good because they were trading at about dollar forty six.

1598
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 5: Then the offer came in. Then they shot up to

1599
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 5: two dollars thirty to match the offer. Some of the

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01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 5: trades were at two dollars thirty one above the offer. Now,

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01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 5: analysts from Wilson's Advisory reckons that this is well below

1602
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:02,719
Speaker 5: Tourism Holdings trading range because it had highs of about

1603
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 5: four dollars thirty in April couple of years ago, so

1604
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 5: maybe two and a bit years ago. And they reckon

1605
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 5: the fact that there were some trades above the actual

1606
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 5: offer shows that the market sees a genuine prospect of

1607
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 5: an increase in the price offer or a competing offer.

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01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 5: So watched that one six twenty one.

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01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: The Business hour where the Heather Duplicyl and theirs Insurance

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 2: and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future newstalks.

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01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 3: That'd be right.

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01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 5: It's six twenty four times for Milford Asset Management. Andrew Kurtain, Hello, Andrew,

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01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 5: I love that well, thank you. So how the global

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01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 5: markets reacting to this conflict between Israel and.

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01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 26: Iran That the markets have really shrugged it off of

1617
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 26: only seeing equity markets come off very marginally. The ustock

1618
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 26: markets down around about one percent of the conflict began

1619
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 26: last Friday, So Marcu's really telling you that I think

1620
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 26: this conflict at the moment's pretty contained as well in

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01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 26: Iran and they're not getting too spooked about it. We

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01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 26: have seen a little bit of move into safety. Some

1623
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 26: investors have been buying gold golds up to a three

1624
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 26: percent since the conflict started. But really where the most

1625
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 26: action has been is an oil price is up about

1626
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 26: sixteen percent since the conflict started, and go back and

1627
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 26: started during it's up about twenty three percent.

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01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 26: This sort of makes sense because Iran produces around about

1630
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 26: three percent of the world's oil uptop, which doesn't sound

1631
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 26: like a lot, but in a commodity like oil, we

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01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 26: even sort of a one percent destruction to oil production

1633
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 26: can have quite a significant impact.

1634
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 22: On price.

1635
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:32,759
Speaker 5: Do you think it'll go higher?

1636
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 26: Yet, it's hard to tell. What would send the price

1637
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 26: higher would be direct attacks and to major oil infrastructure.

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01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 26: We haven't seen that. There's been a few a few

1639
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 26: sort of missiles that have hit some smaller pieces of infrastructure,

1640
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 26: but we haven't seen anything that is really going to

1641
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 26: disrupt kind of million barrel type levels of production. What

1642
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 26: could happen as things escalators iron side to say, attack

1643
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 26: some oil assets and sell their rays which produces grund

1644
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 26: about nine attem percent of the world's oil, or in

1645
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 26: the major escalation, they can shut off or started taking

1646
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 26: cruise ships in austraightup for most which is to the

1647
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 26: south side of Iran, which at round about twenty percent

1648
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 26: of the world's oil passes through this. But I sort

1649
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,440
Speaker 26: of put that as an unlikely scenario. I think if

1650
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 26: I run to this would really attagonize the US. Need

1651
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 26: to remember that Trump wants lower at oil crisis, not higher.

1652
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 26: So if you want a certain way to bring us

1653
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 26: into the war, then you could go go started taking

1654
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 26: earlier Arabian oil affent.

1655
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 5: Very good point. Now, given everything that's going on, why

1656
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 5: do you think it is that most global stock markets

1657
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 5: have recovered from the low that we saw in April.

1658
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 26: Well, with the conflict in Middle East, it's really only

1659
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 26: impacting right now the countries that are involved. It's not

1660
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 26: really having an impact on the economic outlook for the

1661
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 26: US or Europe. When New Zealand, Australia and so sheer

1662
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 26: markets really care about what technic and economies where their

1663
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 26: companies primarily operate, and if the economic growth in these

1664
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 26: companies in these economies as fine, and the profit growth

1665
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 26: in the companies in these countries will also be fined.

1666
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 26: And so that's what I'm just is a truth and

1667
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 26: this is sort of a relatively contained conflict for now.

1668
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 26: And a few sort of stepped back a couple of

1669
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,799
Speaker 26: months since the equity market spot on back in April.

1670
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 26: Since then, we've had quite positive new bond tariffs with

1671
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 26: the delays on all the pause to negotiate deals around

1672
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 26: the world between Trump and the major nations, also had

1673
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 26: a slightly more optimistic look on the global macro outlook.

1674
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 26: And also the sort of artificial intelligence trade which has

1675
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 26: been a key theme over over the last few years,

1676
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 26: has really come back with a theory and that has

1677
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 26: sending a lot of stock slider. Microsoft Navidia Oracle back

1678
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 26: to all time highs.

1679
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, Andrew, thanks very much. Andrew Kute Milford Acid Management

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Speaker 5: headlines next.

1681
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,839
Speaker 3: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 2: It's head a duples with the business hour and mass

1683
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 2: insurance and investments.

1684
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Speaker 3: Grow your wealth, protect your future, use talks that'd me

1685
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Speaker 3: do here you he.

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Speaker 21: I'm dreaming you're trying to.

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01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 5: Get grays from us out in the UK. Shortly. I

1688
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 5: have got that tip line. If you so stand by,

1689
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 5: we're going to get to a twenty five away from

1690
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 5: seven now. Consumer confidence has improved, but we're still overall

1691
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 5: more pessimistic than optimistic about the economy. That is from

1692
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 5: the latest Westpac consumer confidence survey for the June quarter

1693
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 5: comes after confidence dropped quite sharply in the first three

1694
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 5: months of the year. You'll recall Satish Ranshot as Westpac

1695
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 5: senior economist has.

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Speaker 23: Tis good evening, Heather.

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01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 5: Do you think this is material information? Is this adding

1698
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 5: to the data suggesting that we're in recession again?

1699
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 27: I think it really highlights that the middle part of

1700
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,719
Speaker 27: the year has been pretty tough for a lot of households.

1701
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 27: We're still seeing a lot of pressure from rising costs

1702
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 27: of the centrals, and generally we're seeing a lot of

1703
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 27: negative news, especially on the global front, that is where

1704
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:00,919
Speaker 27: a lot of households.

1705
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 5: Do you think that things are going to improve once

1706
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 5: we start getting those rate cuts heading heading our bank accounts.

1707
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 27: I do think we are going to see some bitter

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01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 27: times for a lot of households in the second half

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01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 27: of the year. As you say, we've had some big

1710
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 27: drops and interest rates about two hundred basis points for

1711
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 27: a lot of mortgage rates, but a lot of households

1712
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 27: haven't rolled over on their mortgage yet. As we go

1713
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 27: through that second half of the year, a lot of

1714
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 27: households could be seeing a lot more money in their

1715
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 27: back pockets as their mortgage rates drop.

1716
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 5: Okay, So tell me how you think, because we've got

1717
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 5: the GDP data coming out tomorrow, right, tell me how

1718
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 5: you think the year looks in terms of the economic

1719
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 5: growth story quarterback.

1720
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 27: I think it's probably going to be a bit soft

1721
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 27: through the middle part of the year. Tomorrow'speakers are probably

1722
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 27: going to show the economy grew by about point seven

1723
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 27: that's sort of around a trend rate. Probably a little

1724
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 27: bit mixed across the economy. But really, if we're looking

1725
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 27: for a pack up and activity. We're going to see

1726
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 27: it more through that latter part of the year, with

1727
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 27: both those interest rate cuts heading people's back pockets, but

1728
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 27: also more of that income from high monety prices really

1729
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 27: flowing through the economy and their agricultural boost. That'll be

1730
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 27: really important for a lot of regions.

1731
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 5: So are you saying, okay, so we get we get

1732
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 5: this the uptick in the first quarter, uptick in the

1733
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 5: last quarter, and in between those two quarters. Technical recession

1734
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 5: probably more of a.

1735
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 27: Little bit of softness rather than a technical recession. I

1736
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 27: think there are some positives out there for the economy.

1737
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 27: Tourisms are bright spot. That's improving those agricultural export incomes.

1738
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 27: They are looking great for a lot of regions. But

1739
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 27: it's really more of a gradual picture for households. But

1740
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 27: things are slowly getting better.

1741
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 5: Okay, But Satish, what we have seen in the last

1742
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 5: two or three years now is that the data goes

1743
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 5: it's lumpy, it goes up, it goes down, and goes

1744
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 5: up and goes down. But essentially per capita, where it

1745
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 5: is this really long recession. Does it just continue through

1746
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 5: this year?

1747
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 3: Does it?

1748
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 27: I don't think it's going to keep getting worse. It

1749
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 27: might be a little bit soggy in the NETTA. We

1750
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 27: have still been dealing with some pretty powerful financial pressures

1751
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 27: like increases and living costs, but slowly some of those

1752
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 27: pressures are easing off, and especially those lower interest rates.

1753
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:03,879
Speaker 27: That'll be a relief for a lot of households.

1754
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 5: When do we start When do we get out of

1755
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 5: this bit though, where we're talking about it easing off

1756
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 5: and getting better, and we're actually now we're into positive territory.

1757
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 5: We're firmly above the zero and we can say we're

1758
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 5: growing again properly.

1759
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 27: And I think by the time we get to the

1760
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 27: end of this year, things will really start to feel

1761
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,719
Speaker 27: different for many parts of the economy. Our labor market

1762
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 27: has been soggy, but slowly we'll start to see more

1763
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 27: people being hired as household spending picks up, and as

1764
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 27: more of those farming incomes of the lift. We are

1765
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 27: already starting to see incomes and spending rights in many

1766
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 27: parts of the country.

1767
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 5: Okay, now, I don't want to say I don't want

1768
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 5: to be a negative ninni here, but we said this

1769
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 5: last year eight we said, just survive to twenty five

1770
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 5: and then it's bright all the way through and you're saying, basically,

1771
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 5: don't worry, it'll be bright next year. What are the

1772
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 5: chances that you're wrong.

1773
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,879
Speaker 27: I mean, if something's going to surprise us, it's probably

1774
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 27: going to be coming from the global economy. I mean,

1775
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 27: we've seen the headlines recently, especially coming from the Middle East.

1776
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 27: There's ongoing concerns about tariffs. But if we think about

1777
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 27: the domestic story, it is looking better. It's great that

1778
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 27: we can manage that global outlook.

1779
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 12: Right now.

1780
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 27: I think things are looking better, but there are those

1781
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 27: risks that will have to keep an eye on.

1782
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 5: Okay, fingers cross, fingers crossed, the TIS thanks so much,

1783
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 5: as always really appreciate it'sa TIS ranshod Westpac senior economists

1784
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 5: ever do for ce ellens Heather on the stupid rules.

1785
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 5: If you pay IRD between ten pm and midnight, it

1786
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 5: doesn't register on their system until the next day, so

1787
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 5: that means you pay the penalty for being overdue. It's

1788
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 5: frustrating for small businesses when every single dollar counts. Oh yeah,

1789
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 5: I mean, look, I don't want to be your mum, Theresa,

1790
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 5: but you're going to have to pay before ten o'clock

1791
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 5: because now we know about this right, and you know

1792
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 5: what it's like, you know what it's like, you know

1793
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 5: how they are, but speaking of stupid rules and they

1794
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 5: being ird stupid rules. So somebody's asked me why it

1795
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 5: is that we do We know why we needed a

1796
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 5: prescription for marjarine, and I can, in fact answer that

1797
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 5: question for you. It was a deliberate protectionist policy to

1798
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 5: support butter over margarine. So essentially what we did was,

1799
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 5: we were so desperate to support our farmers. Does this

1800
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 5: sound like something we're doing again with maybe the wool

1801
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 5: industry and state houses just saying so desperate to support

1802
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 5: our farming industry that we introduced laws to restrict or

1803
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 5: ban margarine production and sale. We had bands on local

1804
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 5: production of margarine, we had restrictions on the import of

1805
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,959
Speaker 5: the devil's butter, we had prescriptions required for the purchase.

1806
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 5: And it started to become ridiculous by the seventies because

1807
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,560
Speaker 5: people started to kind of clock what was going on,

1808
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 5: like they got tired of Muldoon's dumb rules, and their

1809
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 5: preferences shifted and they started hearing all that what we

1810
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 5: now know is bad advice that you should eat the

1811
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 5: margarine instead of the butter because of the high saturated

1812
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 5: fat and stuff like that, and the prescription requires it

1813
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 5: became a symbol of outdated regulation, and thus it was

1814
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 5: finally removed in nineteen seventy four. I'm being very unfair

1815
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 5: to Muldoon. There's pre Muldoon that was a pre Muldoon

1816
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 5: issue if it was removed in nineteen seventy four, So

1817
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 5: that's a who came before Muldoon, ants Kirk and who

1818
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 5: came before him, Only teasing are you are you googling this?

1819
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 1: No?

1820
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 12: No, no it Sydney Holland?

1821
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 5: Wasn't it? Is it Sidney Holland? You'll go Keith, ho

1822
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 5: are you googled? Because I'm impressed either way? Anyway, anyway,

1823
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 5: all I want to say to you is if you're

1824
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 5: one of those people listening to Nicholas and we have

1825
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 5: made those State House people put the wool carpets in

1826
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 5: because we are supporting our protecting our industry, and you're going,

1827
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 5: that's what they did with the margarine, didn't they. The

1828
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 5: nylon carpet is just today's margarine, and it's a bad

1829
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 5: idea in the seventies, and it is a bad idea today,

1830
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:00,759
Speaker 5: eighteen away from seven.

1831
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 3: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

1832
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 2: It's all on the business hour with hither duplicylen and mares,

1833
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 2: insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future, use

1834
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: dogs en me.

1835
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 5: Devin Gray UK corresponds with us right now, Hey, Gevin

1836
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 5: either right? So we have an answer on what caused

1837
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 5: that mess of power cut and Spain and Portugal?

1838
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 8: What is it?

1839
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1840
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 19: Well it kind of asks more questions and it answers

1841
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 19: in one sense. So back on the twenty eighth of Able,

1842
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 19: that massive power cut disconnecting thousands of people shortly after

1843
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 19: midday from the European electricity grid. People stuck in lifts,

1844
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 19: on trains, electric trains, couldn't get out the doors, et cetera.

1845
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 19: So now we hear that apparently the state owned grid

1846
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 19: operator had miscalculated the power capacity requirements for that day

1847
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 19: and didn't quote have enough dynamic voltage capacity.

1848
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

1849
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 19: Whether regulator should have switched on another thermal plant a

1850
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 19: power plant but miscalculated it and decided it wasn't necessary.

1851
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 19: Then when there was the surge in demand, it couldn't

1852
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 19: keep up and everything shut down. Now the Minister responsible

1853
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 19: blamed private generators for failing to regulate the grid's voltage

1854
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 19: shortly before the blackout happened, saying that should have prevented

1855
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 19: the blackout either way. It isn't some kind of a

1856
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 19: cyber attack, It isn't anything like terrorism. It was quite

1857
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:32,560
Speaker 19: simply a miscalculation. Plenty of demands for some serious retribution

1858
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 19: on the socialist government.

1859
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 5: But what we're talking about here is an over reliance,

1860
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 5: isn't it unrenewable energy and not factoring enough of the

1861
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 5: burning stuff.

1862
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 19: Yeah, well that's what the government is denying, saying no, no,

1863
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,679
Speaker 19: we do have enough renewable, we do have enough thermal

1864
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 19: as it were burning, but it was just miscalculated, incorrect

1865
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 19: care and had we you know yeah, yeah.

1866
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, fuir enough. I understand that was just a little

1867
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 5: listen for us. They keep those guests burners. Really, what's

1868
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 5: the fine that twenty three ams been lumped with.

1869
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 19: Yeah, this is a very very substantial fine, in fact,

1870
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 19: one of the toughest that the UK's privacy watchdog can issue.

1871
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 19: They had a data breach back in twenty twenty three.

1872
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 19: It's a genetic testing company and seven million people had

1873
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 19: data stolen, including one hundred and fifty thousand Britons and

1874
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 19: that personal information that was taken by hackers included all

1875
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 19: sorts of things. Family trees, health reports, race and ethnicity

1876
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 19: information may all have been stolen, along with addresses, dates

1877
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 19: of birth, and profile pictures. Now you think, well, why

1878
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 19: should that really matter, Well, because the database shared on

1879
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,719
Speaker 19: dark web forums contained a list of almost a million

1880
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 19: people who had had Ashkenazi Jewish heritage according to the

1881
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 19: genetic profiling, and of course that could be used by Nazis,

1882
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 19: far right wingers, anti Jews in order to establish where

1883
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 19: somebody lived that they were of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage and

1884
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 19: that could therefore lead to them being attacked. So the

1885
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 19: ico's fine here in the UK of roughly four point

1886
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 19: seven million New Zealand dollars is pretty big, but it's

1887
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 19: the most severe punishment the watchdog can impose, and twenty

1888
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 19: three and Me also faces other countries doing a similar

1889
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 19: set of privacy watchdog review. The company's defenses only became

1890
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 19: strong enough to halt the attack by the end of

1891
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 19: the year eight Pril twenty three it happened, So by

1892
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 19: the end of twenty three they're in a better position.

1893
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 19: And well, it looks like it's now sold or going

1894
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 19: to be sold for roughly four hundred and fifty million

1895
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 19: New Zealand dollars to the original co founder and her

1896
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:53,959
Speaker 19: nonprofit TTAM company as it's called.

1897
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 5: Wow Hey, Really quickly has British steel been saved?

1898
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 19: It looks like it's okay for the time. So the

1899
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 19: government tro took it out the hands of a Chinese

1900
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 19: firm jing Yi, believing that they were deliberately running down

1901
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 19: the stocks of the ingredients and we're going to simply

1902
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 19: switch the furnaces off. So the government were desperate to

1903
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 19: try and get it some contracts and they have. They've

1904
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 19: got a contract with the British rail Network, so it's

1905
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 19: rather hand in hand with the government here for three

1906
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 19: hundred and thirty seven thousand tons of track that will

1907
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 19: secure thousands of jobs. Two months after the government used

1908
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 19: emergency powers to prevent the blast furnaces from closure.

1909
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,719
Speaker 8: But the question is what next?

1910
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 19: What other contracts are on the route?

1911
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 5: Interesting? Gvin, thank you very much, appreciate it. Gavin, Great

1912
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 5: are UK correspondent. I'll tell you something that I found

1913
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 5: fascinating today. The can Tar guys have put out their

1914
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 5: reputation ranking survey, which is basically like their most trusted

1915
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 5: Brand Survey in number one, number one spot Toyota New Zealand,

1916
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 5: number two spot Peck and Save and number three spot

1917
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 5: in New Zealand. Now, and it's not I mean these

1918
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 5: guys are. It's a close run thing like Toyota and

1919
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 5: Pack and Save are both scoring one hundred and ten

1920
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 5: and Toyota is ahead by a tenth of a point

1921
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 5: and then in New Zealand's coming in real tight behind

1922
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 5: them at one oh nine. So in New Zealand, if

1923
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 5: we just had a fraction more, could potentially have been

1924
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 5: the most trusted brand in the country. Now can you

1925
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 5: explain that to me? How on earth is in New

1926
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 5: Zealand scoring as one of the most like the top

1927
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 5: three most trusted brands in the country when we complain

1928
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 5: about it to the extent that we do. Either this

1929
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 5: is wrong, but there's three possibilities here to my mind,

1930
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 5: Number one, this ranking is wrong, or number two, the

1931
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 5: complaints are coming from a very small group of people

1932
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 5: who just complain a lot and skew our perception. Or

1933
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 5: number three, it's like your family, you complain a lot

1934
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Speaker 5: about the things that you love. And I don't know

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Speaker 5: which one it is, but I am baffled ten away

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Speaker 5: from seven.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Topsy allan Drive full show podcast on

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk Zebbi.

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Speaker 5: Heather Rear in New Zealand. It's just the cost of

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Speaker 5: the flights that is the issue. It's not the reliability

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Speaker 5: of the stability.

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Speaker 22: No, I might.

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Speaker 5: It's the reliability. I mean, I don't know about it.

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Speaker 5: I think they seem to have tidied it up a

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Speaker 5: wee bit. But geez, there was a period there where

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Speaker 5: they were always late and canceling all the time. Do

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Speaker 5: you remember that? Listen really quickly. Sky TV has got

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Speaker 5: a new show that they've announced today that I'm absolutely hereful.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember Pam from White Lotus, a guy who you.

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Speaker 3: Said something about this fruits reminder?

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Speaker 8: Were you?

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Speaker 5: Yes, the seeds of the fruit of poison?

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Speaker 16: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so donate it have a wonderful last day. That

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Speaker 5: is morgana O'Reilly as an hour, morgana as in New

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Speaker 5: Zealander MORGANA. And she is going to be one of

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Speaker 5: the lead actors in Bust Up, which is a show

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Speaker 5: about two lady cops who used to be lovers and

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Speaker 5: then they broke up and now they have to partner

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Speaker 5: up again to fight crime in Northland and it's a

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Speaker 5: sixth part. They haven't said when it's next year, six parter.

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Speaker 5: But she's awesome, so you could guarantee it's going to

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Speaker 5: be good. And actually incident that I didn't realize how

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Speaker 5: much SkyTV is actually plowing into local content. It's actually

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Speaker 5: quite impressive. So you know, power to them now. Ants. Yes, Ever,

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Speaker 5: this time yesterday we were discussing, you know, whether you're

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Speaker 5: going to get served up the AD. I haven't been

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Speaker 5: served up the ad yet. Oh, the Mediterranean crew, the

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Speaker 5: Mediterranean Cruise.

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Speaker 12: Oh okay, but I'm happy to accept your defeat graciously.

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Speaker 5: Hang on. What I did get served last night was

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Speaker 5: an AD and the ad said this. This is a

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Speaker 5: verbatim it said. My husband asked me why I speak

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Speaker 5: so softly in the house. I said, I was afraid

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Speaker 5: that Mark Zuckerberg was listening. He laughed. I laughed, Alexa laughed,

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Speaker 5: Siri laughed, the tesla laughed. They know they know that

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Speaker 5: they heard us talking about it. Ans.

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Speaker 12: Well, then why haven't they given you the Mediterranean cruise

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Speaker 12: add Well, it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: Really an ad from Facebook. It was a mimic, wasn't it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think you're moving the goal host a little

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Speaker 12: bit there.

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 12: Ufo by Sneaky sound System to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 12: Sneaky sound System will be playing at Symphony Origins. This

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Speaker 12: is a big gig that's centered around the Auckland Philarmoni.

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Speaker 12: You're playing another symphony show, this one based on the

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Speaker 12: origins of underground club culture apparently. But yeah, Sneaky sound

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Speaker 12: System coming over from Australia to player as well, along

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Speaker 12: with Bevan Keys and Dick Johnson. Here that's Spark Arena

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Speaker 12: in Auckland and on Saturday, twenty sixth of July.

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Speaker 5: This is a good time. A Synthhonya is a good time.

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Speaker 5: Synphony is a very good time, and these guys are

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Speaker 5: a good time. This is such a bang of the song,

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Speaker 5: isn't it though? And Ants knows about this stuff because

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Speaker 5: Ants knows a little bit of the old dufftuff. So

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Speaker 5: enjoy and we will see you tomorrow and then you

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Speaker 5: know what comes after that day long weekend, So last

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Speaker 5: out of the week tomorrow news talks. He'd be.

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Speaker 2: For more from hither Duplessye Allen Drive listen live to

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Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays or follow

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Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio