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Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions for defense around the sinking

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Speaker 1: of the monument. Then of course it's the first piece

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Speaker 1: time loss of a New Zealand vessel. We also have

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Speaker 1: issues around oil and seepage and all of those sort

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Speaker 1: of things. Defense Minister. Due to the collins with us

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Speaker 1: good morning, good morning, made a lot of people text

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Speaker 1: questions no insurance, I take it, well, there.

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Speaker 2: Is some insurance, but the details are commercially sensors and

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Speaker 2: I really can't go into it. And I'm sure everybody

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Speaker 2: understands who if they have insurance?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so some cover there will we have to fork

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Speaker 1: out for a new ship. And are we forking out

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Speaker 1: for a new ship.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's going to have to be decided if it

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Speaker 2: looks at we look at what the ship does. Bearing

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Speaker 2: in mind this was bought when I was fifteen years old.

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Speaker 2: We've been in the North Sea doing work for oil oil.

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Speaker 2: It was basically an all tender and it's now twenty

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Speaker 2: years old. So we're just going to work that through.

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Speaker 2: I think we're doing the defense capability plan at the moment.

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Speaker 2: We have to factor this into it as to what

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Speaker 2: capability that we need.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the old defense Capability Plan got talked about over

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Speaker 1: the seven five sevens. Bet you never thought in a

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Speaker 1: million years you'd have to deal with a ship that's sunk.

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Speaker 2: This is the thing, This is why these are often

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Speaker 2: something a moving feast. And of course you can only

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Speaker 2: plan for what you know, and this was certainly not

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Speaker 2: something that we anticipated and I don't think anyone else

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Speaker 2: would have either.

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Speaker 1: Where are we are we going to extract the ship?

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Speaker 1: Are we going to leave it for divers? How dangerous

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Speaker 1: is the oil?

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Speaker 2: Well's got a lot of oil on board, It's got

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Speaker 2: all sorts of things, that's got lubricating oil, hydrug oil,

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Speaker 2: diesel urear, It's got a lot of stuff in it.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think we can just sort of leave

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Speaker 2: it like that. So right at the moment, we've got

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Speaker 2: to find out exactly what is the depth of the

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Speaker 2: water that it's in. And there'll be divers. The divers

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Speaker 2: have been sent up last night and they'll be having

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Speaker 2: a lot to see what they can. But it's going

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Speaker 2: to be quite a big job, I think.

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Speaker 1: And do you have any indication of how big that

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Speaker 1: job is, how long the job is, how much that

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Speaker 1: job costs, and who do we get to do it?

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Speaker 2: Well? That is absolutely a million dollar question, isn't it

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Speaker 2: the defense? That's why a defense has got its own

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Speaker 2: divers going up to see There'll be other people involved

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Speaker 2: in that, and they have to work as well through

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Speaker 2: the some on government because after all, it is actually

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Speaker 2: some more and we can't just charge in there. But

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Speaker 2: they were doing everything that we can and will no

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Speaker 2: doubt have other people brought as out of side defense,

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Speaker 2: people with very deep sea diving experience and capability.

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Speaker 1: I know that this is early days, and I know

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Speaker 1: there's a process, but you must have some kind of

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Speaker 1: indication as to what went wrong.

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Speaker 2: Not really other than that the ship ended up stuck

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Speaker 2: on a reef, lost power and ended up stuck on

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Speaker 2: a reef. We don't know why that happened. We also

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Speaker 2: don't know you know exactly why that happened, and we

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Speaker 2: need to find it out. So the Quarter of Inquiry

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Speaker 2: is something that, unlike say a Royal commission, works very quickly,

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Speaker 2: and the Chief of Defense Force told me last night

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Speaker 2: that it could be a matter of weeks into a

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Speaker 2: few months, but it is something that goes straight to

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Speaker 2: the heart of what's happened.

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Speaker 1: But the weird thing about the hydrography, which is what

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Speaker 1: the ship did. It maps the floor, It ran into

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Speaker 1: the floor. It's inexplicable.

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Speaker 2: Yes, accept at the reef and accept it lost power.

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Speaker 2: So that's whether or not. The point is it lost

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Speaker 2: power and ended up in a reef. That's not quite

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Speaker 2: the same as just what you've said. So let's just

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Speaker 2: find out. And I think speculation and natural for everyone

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Speaker 2: to speculate because everyone wants makes sense of it. But

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Speaker 2: I think we need to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: The lost power, but mechanical or operator era or we

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Speaker 1: don't have a clue.

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Speaker 2: We don't know. We don't know yet, and that's why

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Speaker 2: there'll be Look, defense are onto this, they're not. They

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Speaker 2: are a shocking loss for us and peace climate loss,

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Speaker 2: first time that we've had one, and we need to

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Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. This ship is its head,

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Speaker 2: it's it's quite old, but that's no excuse and we

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Speaker 2: need to make sure we get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not in any way, shape or form saying

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Speaker 2: it's the fault of the ship. It's like, let's find

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Speaker 2: out what the what the facts are.

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Speaker 1: Well, good luck with that, Defense Minister Judith Collins. For

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