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Speaker 1: This year's Ockham Book Awards nominees have just dropped the

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Speaker 1: long list. And it's interesting because, in particular of the

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Speaker 1: general nonfiction category, which is filled with true crime, history

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Speaker 1: and politics, and the politics is that Jasinda Ardun's autobiography

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Speaker 1: is up for the nomination. Jenna Todd is the manager

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Speaker 1: of Time Out bookstore in Mount Eden with us high

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Speaker 1: Jenna Kyoto, Heather, how are you well? Thanks mate? How

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Speaker 1: do you write her chances? Could you take it out? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a really hard category for general nonfiction. We

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Speaker 2: have fourteen books in there, and they cover such a

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Speaker 2: wide range of topics. You have history, memoir, creative essays.

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Speaker 2: So who knows? I just I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Which is your favorite of the ones that you've read?

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Speaker 2: Who would you give of the general nonfiction? Yeah, well

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Speaker 2: this is a hard one too, because I haven't read

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Speaker 2: all of them. I think I love that Steve Braunius

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Speaker 2: is on there. I think his true crime book about

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Speaker 2: Polkinghorn is really nuanced and it doesn't really give you

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Speaker 2: an answer, but it's also bitingly funny and informed as well.

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Speaker 2: I've been hearing amazing things about the middle of nowhere

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Speaker 2: stories of the working of stories of working on the

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Speaker 2: Mauna Pode hydro project, which I just think is such

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Speaker 2: a niche topic. But I also love The Welcome of Strangers,

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Speaker 2: A History of Southern Mahoriti by Ethel Anderson. But I

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Speaker 2: might be biased as I'm Kaita, but it's a beautiful,

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Speaker 2: big book.

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Speaker 1: Just Cinda didn't make your short list.

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Speaker 2: I think I loved that book. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: really great memoir. It's very domestic. It was really really

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Speaker 2: well written. I think it's an amazing page turner, and

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Speaker 2: it's been a big It's been a big seller in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand overall in that timeout as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was actually a very good book and it

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Speaker 1: was quite well written. And what about the fiction category?

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Speaker 1: Who do You Reckon? Is going to take it out there?

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people are saying Catherine Chigee's the

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Speaker 2: Book of Guilt. She's won the prize twice before. That's

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Speaker 2: been a best seller as alongside Just Cinder, as well

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Speaker 2: as nineteen eighty five by Dominic Cowey. I think that's

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Speaker 2: quite a crowd favorite. It's such an endaring, great tale

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Speaker 2: of Graylan in the nineteen eighties. But I've also got

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Speaker 2: I really loved Hood's Landing by Laura Vincent and Wonderland

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Speaker 2: by Tracy Fas. So those are like small presses, which

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Speaker 2: I think it would be great to see some small

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Speaker 2: presses take the win as well, Jenna.

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Speaker 1: If I go and get Catherine Chigge's book, am I

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Speaker 1: going to like? Is it like a normal person read

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Speaker 1: or is it going to be one of those reads?

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Speaker 1: Where are you sure? Because sometimes the okhams I go,

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Speaker 1: I go, sometimes I go read these books. I got Wow,

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Speaker 1: this is hard work.

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Speaker 2: Catherine Schige is one of our best living New Zealand writers.

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Speaker 2: You can write about anything. Okay, this is not in

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Speaker 2: set in New Zealand. It's a page turner, it's got

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Speaker 2: lots of twists. It's a great read.

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Speaker 1: You are the experts, so I'm gonna take your I'm

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Speaker 1: going to take the tip from you and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: read it. Hey, thank you, Jenna, as always appreciated my

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Speaker 1: Jenna Todd, manager of Mount Eden's Time Outbook.

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