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Speaker 1: Kyota.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Terror It's been

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Speaker 2: more than two years since Cyclone Gabrielle and the Auckland

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Speaker 2: Anniversary weekend floods.

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Speaker 1: The storm en route to hit the North Island could

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Speaker 1: be one of the biggest in twenty years. Be prepared

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Speaker 1: to leave if you need to and have enough supplies

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Speaker 1: to sustain yourself for up to three days.

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Speaker 3: Well definitely in this time we have warning. There was

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Speaker 3: no warning last time.

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Speaker 1: Auckland and Thams Coramandel have extended the estates of emergency

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Speaker 1: for another week.

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Speaker 4: One shopper described the supermarket as crazy busy, with queues

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Speaker 4: going right through the store.

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Speaker 1: States of emergency have been now been declared for Northland

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Speaker 1: to Auckland, Corimandel, tait Affati and Awporter.

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Speaker 3: Key the messages please take care and follow the advice

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Speaker 3: of emergency services.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen people died. A three week long inquest has begun

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Speaker 1: in Hastings District Court examining how prepared we were for

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Speaker 1: the cyclone, how warnings were issued and the emergency response.

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Speaker 1: Today on the Front Page, Open Justice reporter Rick Stevens

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Speaker 1: joins us from court to take us through what we

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Speaker 1: know so far and what we hope to learn.

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Speaker 2: From these tragic events.

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Speaker 1: So Rick, the first phase of the inquest was held

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Speaker 1: in Auckland. Tell me about that.

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Speaker 5: So the first phase in Auckland was held in August

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Speaker 5: and it looked at the deaths of four people in

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Speaker 5: the Auckland floods and then two others, two firefighters at

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Speaker 5: Murrowai during Psycha, and Gabrielle that hearing look to the

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Speaker 5: emergency responses and what led to a state of emergency

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Speaker 5: being declared in Auckland along with the circumstances of the

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Speaker 5: death of the people there. The Rawle inquiry has now

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Speaker 5: moved to Hastings where it's looking at the fate of

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Speaker 5: people who died as a result of cycling. Gabrielle on

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Speaker 5: the East coast.

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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit more about the victims and

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Speaker 1: what we know about them.

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Speaker 5: So in hawks Bay there were initially seven men who died,

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Speaker 5: four women and a little girl. She was sadly Ivy Collins,

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Speaker 5: whose family home in Esdale was flooded. The oldest was

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Speaker 5: Helen Street eighty six, who died in Napier. She was

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Speaker 5: dependent on supplied oxygen and the coroner will be looking

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Speaker 5: into kind of what happened there. Well. One significant development

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Speaker 5: is that we've had an extra name added to the list,

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Speaker 5: and that is that of Joseph Ahuiari, mister who really

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Speaker 5: went missing in his car on the night of the

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Speaker 5: cyclone and it's been a big kind of local mystery

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Speaker 5: about what happened to him. There have been a number

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Speaker 5: of searches for him since, both on land and at sea,

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Speaker 5: and what happened to him has been perplexing. The police

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Speaker 5: said they initially didn't think that his apparent death was

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Speaker 5: linked to the cyclone, but now that they haven't furred

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Speaker 5: it to the coroner and she has decided to include

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Speaker 5: it in this inquiry.

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Speaker 1: So that takes the number of deaths that the coroner

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Speaker 1: is looking at in total to nineteen.

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Speaker 5: That's correct, Yes, so those that are covering both Auckland,

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Speaker 1: I understand that three apparent self inflicted deaths post cyclone

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Speaker 1: will also be included in the inquiry. What's the reasoning

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Speaker 5: So there were three deaths occurred in the months after

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Speaker 5: the cyclone that these have been included as being apparently

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Speaker 5: self inflicted. I can't really tell you too much about

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Speaker 5: that at the moment. There's still non publication orders around

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Speaker 5: those people, and we'll get to learn more about them

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Speaker 4: I'm sure when cyclone Gabrielle came through, people were cut

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Speaker 4: off for a long periods of time. The networks are

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Speaker 4: quite resilient, but they're not resilient enough, and Gabrielle exposed that.

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Speaker 4: Up until Gabrielle, we thought that if you had a

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Speaker 4: it's Hawk's Bay that was both worst affected towns like

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Speaker 4: and it turns out that having two or three lines

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Speaker 1: What is the judge looking at when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the preliminary issues raised.

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Speaker 5: So the current is looking at the circumstances of individual

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Speaker 5: whether in fact, you know, planning should allow for houses

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Speaker 1: And are the issues facing each of those areas quite

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Speaker 1: similar or are there specifics to each area that they'll

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Speaker 5: I think there will be specifics to each other, each area,

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Speaker 5: although you know, although it was a district wide event,

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Speaker 5: you know, there were things about each area that would

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Speaker 1: The response of emergency services will of course be under

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Speaker 1: the microscope over the next few weeks, given some people

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Speaker 1: who actually called Triple one during the cyclone were told

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Speaker 1: that there was no help available. What do we know

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Speaker 1: about that thus far?

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Speaker 5: We haven't heard too much about that at the moment.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, so the coroner obviously will want to know

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Speaker 5: what happened there. I mean, they were told it wasn't

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Speaker 5: but I think just because the scale of what is happening,

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Speaker 5: you know, the emergency services were stretched really really to

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Speaker 5: the limit, So the corn will be looking at what

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Speaker 5: warnings were issued by the authority beforehand, where the message

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Speaker 5: is about what to do, were timely inaccurate, whether the

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Speaker 5: emergency services were sufficiently prepared. There are also questions about

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Speaker 5: rivers breaking their banks, the mitigations measures that might have

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Speaker 5: been put in place, whether these were adequate, could the

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Speaker 5: councils have done.

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Speaker 1: Generally, What is the point of a coronial.

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Speaker 5: Inquiry, Well, like any inquest, I think it seeks to

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Speaker 5: establish a circumstances around a death, but also, you know,

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Speaker 5: are there lessons that can be learned from that, what's happened,

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Speaker 5: how can things be better handled, and you know what

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Speaker 5: needs to be avoided in the future. In terms of

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Speaker 5: this sort of event where it's a large scale event,

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Speaker 5: very complicated, with a lot of agency is involved in

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Speaker 5: the coordination between them, things happening in real time very quickly,

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Speaker 5: you know what can be learned from that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: there may be a whole heap of issues that come

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Speaker 5: out of that that may help planning for future events.

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Speaker 5: But that's kind of what the coroner is all about.

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Speaker 1: And it's been a couple of years since the events.

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Speaker 1: Have you been speaking to any locals. How are they

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Speaker 1: feeling this coming up again? I suppose.

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Speaker 5: I haven't had a lot of you know, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I've mentioned to people that it's back on. They're interesting,

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Speaker 1: Who are we likely to hear from over the next

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Speaker 5: The next two weeks, well, this week anyway that the

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Speaker 5: mister witnesses mainly sort of fire and emergencies, civil defense people,

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Speaker 5: from the local councilors, the police. We'll probably hear more

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Speaker 5: from the families next month. The circumstances around Joseph Whoy's

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Speaker 5: disappearance will be considered next year.

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Speaker 3: More Anna, It now seems for most of us that

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Speaker 3: we are past the worst of the current weather event.

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Speaker 3: The review that I announced and to what went wrong

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Speaker 3: in the first twenty four to fort eight hours is underway.

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Speaker 3: Bulkiners began the big Auckham clean up the very next

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Speaker 3: morning after the flood. You've made me proud and humbled

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Speaker 3: to be your mayor. You've risen to the challenge to

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Speaker 3: look after your neighbors and your local communities, to leander

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Speaker 3: helping hand and support our council staff on the ground,

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Speaker 3: our emergency services and our volunteers have also been magnificent,

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Speaker 3: in some cases putting themselves at risk. Today, our council

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Speaker 3: focus moves from the emergency response to provide greater support

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Speaker 3: to the big Auckhanm cleanup. The big organ cleanup is

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Speaker 3: being led by communities, community organizations, local boards, local councils,

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Speaker 3: the private sector and supported by Buckland Council and central government.

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Speaker 3: So let's show in New Zealand and the world the

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Speaker 3: strength of all the communities across our region.

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to these kind of things, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the witness lists can be enormous. What's it like sitting

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Speaker 1: there and hearing the discussions because sometimes it can be

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Speaker 1: quite monotonous. But it's all a part of the process,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 5: I think yes, it isn't quite quite other process we've got.

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Speaker 5: We've got fifteen councils in what is not it? So

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Speaker 5: fifteen lawyers in a calling that's not not huge. So

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Speaker 5: there's a lot to go through. There are different organizations

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Speaker 5: question witnesses and things like that. It's it is a

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Speaker 5: long process. But then things that happen in the judicial

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Speaker 1: Tell me again, in terms of emergency services, who who

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Speaker 1: will be representing each one of them? I suppose not

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Speaker 1: the exact names, but I'm thinking foreign emergency will be there,

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Speaker 5: Yes. In fact, we've got, you know, a national commander

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Speaker 5: be people quite high level and.

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Speaker 1: Has there been much interest in and around the courthouse.

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Speaker 5: sort of professional people who are who are there today

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Speaker 5: that's probably around thirty odd people in the courtroom, half

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Speaker 5: of them half of them are our lawyers.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Rick, You're welcome. That's it for

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Speaker 5: It's