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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 2: I'm fifty and I'm terrified of phone calls. It's the

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Speaker 2: unexpected conversation phobia. I do not believe that. I do

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Speaker 2: not believe that that is the thing. You're making that up,

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Speaker 2: that you cannot possibly have conversation phobia. Thirty What is

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Speaker 2: that even? Thirteen away from seven? Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, Gavin,

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Speaker 2: what do you believe that?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I do? It seems unlikely.

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Speaker 2: What even is that? Do you think that that's somebody

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Speaker 2: who thinks, oh, I don't have any small talk. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what to say to this person.

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Speaker 1: You see a bit of that on some of these

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Speaker 1: chat shows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously what you say when you don't

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Speaker 2: have anything to say is how's the weather with you?

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Speaker 2: It's so simple. Anyway, Gavin, listen, tell me, because there's

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Speaker 2: one to stick in the little book and keep for later. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about this trial of the asylum seeker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this a horrid trial that started which alleged

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Speaker 1: that a man from su Dan, who was staying in

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Speaker 1: a taxpayer funded hotel as an asylum seeker, having arrived

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Speaker 1: here on a small boat, followed allegedly followed the hotel

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Speaker 1: receptionist at the hotel where he was staying, followed her

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Speaker 1: home to the railway station as far as she got

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Speaker 1: and then allegedly stabbed her death with a screwdriver twenty

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Speaker 1: three times. She died in hospital three days later. And

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Speaker 1: it's being alleged that after this vicious and frenzied attack

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Speaker 1: as it was described at a Warsaw hotel that's in

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Speaker 1: the Midlands, he was quote clearly excited about what he

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Speaker 1: had done and was seen on CCTV laughing and dancing

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Speaker 1: shortly after the killing. The violence carried out by asylum

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Speaker 1: seekers or those who come across on small boats illegally

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Speaker 1: into the UK has really really hit the headlines in

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Speaker 1: a big way lately. Many believed people in this country

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Speaker 1: are concerned that we haven't been told the full truth

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Speaker 1: about some of the crimes because they aren't being linked

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Speaker 1: to the fact there are asylum seekers or staying in

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Speaker 1: these hotels. Incidentally, it follows another case yesterday in which

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Speaker 1: a Afghan asylum seeker was sentenced to five years for

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Speaker 1: threatening to kill Nigel Faraj, the leader of the very

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Speaker 1: popular in the polls Reform UK Party.

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Speaker 2: Now, how tough are these English speaking rules going to

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Speaker 2: be well.

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Speaker 1: Pretty tough because they're up to a level standard. What

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Speaker 1: does that mean, Well, that means the standard you have

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Speaker 1: to reach in subjects prior to going to university. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course I did not study English at a level,

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Speaker 1: but it would seem to be quite a high standard.

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Speaker 1: And they want to bring in these changes from January

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Speaker 1: of next year. But it won't apply for all of

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Speaker 1: those who coming to the UK, only of those and

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Speaker 1: some graduates and applying for those who want to skilled

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Speaker 1: worker or scale up visas as they're known, which are

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Speaker 1: for people employed in fast growing businesses. But this is

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Speaker 1: the latest in a series of initiatives to try and

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Speaker 1: get tough on migrants, and the new rules form part

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Speaker 1: of these plans, which are likely to be outlined in

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Speaker 1: a white paper for Law in May, and the applicants

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Speaker 1: will be tested in person on there speaking, listening, reading

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Speaker 1: and writing at approved providers, with the results then checked

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Speaker 1: as part of the visa process. I have to say

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Speaker 1: in the past there's been very little checking to say

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Speaker 1: that the person in front of you is the person

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Speaker 1: applying for that visa. So I hope that's something the

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Speaker 1: government will tough en up on. But this is, I said,

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Speaker 1: is the latest in a long raft of measures to

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Speaker 1: really help show I think that this government says it's

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Speaker 1: determined to crack down on migration here to the UK.

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Speaker 2: Now, Gevin, do we know who Margaret Fetcher is alleged

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Speaker 2: to have had these affairs with.

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Speaker 1: We do so. Margaret Thatcher would have been one hundred

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Speaker 1: years old this week, and therefore it's time for some

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Speaker 1: to dip into the archives and find out more about her,

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Speaker 1: and of course to release books about her. And one

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Speaker 1: new book suggests that she had two affairs while married

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Speaker 1: to her husband, Dennis. The Iron Lady was Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy nine to ninety ninety. So who is

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Speaker 1: it she's alleged to have had an affair with. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was said to be a former MP for Spelthorne

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Speaker 1: that's nearer the airport. Sir Humphrey Atkins is his name.

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Speaker 1: He was Secretary of State for Northern Ireland under the

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Speaker 1: Iron Lady, as she's known Margaret Thatcher when she was

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Speaker 1: premier between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty one, and

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Speaker 1: then he was handed a life peerage in nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: He was married and had four children before dying in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. And the author claims that these affairs

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Speaker 1: were confirmed by two different sources, within her sort of

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Speaker 1: sources and within partially within government. And it's interesting because,

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Speaker 1: of course Margaret Thatcher had described Dennis Thatcher, her husband,

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Speaker 1: as the golden thread running through my life, and indeed

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Speaker 1: the marriage lasted more than fifty years, so ideas that

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Speaker 1: she might have had not one but two affairs seems

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Speaker 1: slightly odd. Incidentally, there it was always very unusual. The

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Speaker 1: Dennis Thatcher was very good friends to Mandy Rice Davies,

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Speaker 1: a model and showgirl heavily involved in the nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: three Perfumer affair, and indeed it was said that they

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Speaker 1: had had a holiday together at one point. No response

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Speaker 1: yet from the Thatcher family, but I would imagine they

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Speaker 1: would be dismissing this out of hand, knowing that, of

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Speaker 1: course you can't lie with the dead night.

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Speaker 2: To all right, Gavin, thank you very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Look after yourself. Kevin Gray, UK correspondent.

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