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Speaker 1: Jason Walls joins us now our political editor and the

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Speaker 1: most workiest person in twenty twenty five at Newstalks MBA.

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Speaker 1: You've worked more than everybody else. Jason.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's about quality as well as quantity, Andrew, and

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Speaker 2: you bring both to the table.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was talking about quality and quantity when it

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Speaker 1: came to the Treaty Principal's Bill when I opened up

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Speaker 1: the program today, because there's an awful lot of submissions,

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Speaker 1: but how many are on point?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's the I mean, it's been a long day

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Speaker 2: in terms of the Treaty Principals submissions. And listen, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to keep it snappy because at this point we

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Speaker 2: all know what the bill is and who is on

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Speaker 2: what side. For example, you know you already know before

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Speaker 2: they open their mouths who all the four people are.

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Speaker 2: For example, David Seymour.

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Speaker 3: Having a free society where everyone's equal before the law,

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Speaker 3: where you can get a resource of content to build

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Speaker 3: a home for someone or start a business, there is

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Speaker 3: prosperity is good for all people.

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Speaker 2: And then you've got the Hobson's Pledges having a free society,

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Speaker 2: which is also David Seymour. But I can assure you

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Speaker 2: Hobson's pledge were very for the bill. And then you've

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Speaker 2: got people on the other end of the spectrum in

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Speaker 2: terms of you know, Mari Leader Helmet Modlik.

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Speaker 1: This Treaty Principles Bill is a constitutional solution looking for

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Speaker 1: a problem.

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Speaker 2: Fin and then you had submitting on behalf of the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Barus Sales Association, Chris Finleyson, who says the

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Speaker 2: principles do not describe the relationship between the Crown and

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Speaker 2: tangat Fenawa.

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Speaker 4: There are principles that could possibly go in a written

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Speaker 4: constitutional though they aren't particularly well drafted, but they don't

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Speaker 4: belong in the Treaty of Waituani Principles Bill.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of toing and froing and submission started

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Speaker 2: at eight am and they're still going. So there's been

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Speaker 2: a marathon session for James Mega in his Justice Committee.

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Speaker 2: But I'll bring you back to this quote from David

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Speaker 2: Seymour very early this morning, because it was quite cryptic

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Speaker 2: in the way that he said it. Have a listen.

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Speaker 3: Finally, this bill, some will say, may not pass this time.

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Speaker 4: We shall see.

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Speaker 3: But I can tell you that you are part of

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Speaker 3: something important and inevitable.

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Speaker 2: So that we will see was curious because it's not

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Speaker 2: to pass. The National Party said that they will not

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Speaker 2: be supporting it, and there's a practically zero percent chance

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Speaker 2: that they will change their mind. Because if you thought

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Speaker 2: the Hikhoi was huge in terms of the forty two

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Speaker 2: thousand estimated people that came to Wellington, imagine the size

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Speaker 2: of it if Chris Luxon went back on his word

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Speaker 2: and did support the bill. So I'm not sure what

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Speaker 2: it is that David Seymour is saying there, but the

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Speaker 2: bill will not pass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he did. He said another quote over the

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Speaker 1: last little while as well, where he said it took

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Speaker 1: people a long time to get their hids around the

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Speaker 1: end of life legislation that he proposed, and similarly, they

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Speaker 1: may take people a long time to get their hids

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Speaker 1: around this Treaty Principal's Bill and Act and legislation that

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Speaker 1: he's proposing.

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Speaker 2: So you know he is optimistic, yeah, and optimistic he

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Speaker 2: can be. It's good for his brand in terms of

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Speaker 2: the fact that every time the Treaty Principle's Bill is mentioned,

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Speaker 2: his polling tends to slide up a little bit. I

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Speaker 2: mean it does go down as well. But for the whole.

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Speaker 2: I think it's been quite good for him, So it's

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Speaker 2: in his interest to want to keep this debate going

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Speaker 2: as long as possible.

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Speaker 1: True, and it's also the supporters of this bill will

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Speaker 1: hear that and say if it gets turfed out by

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Speaker 1: National that's not the end of it, and that it

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Speaker 1: is going to be a continuing battle, and so the

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Speaker 1: issue is not going to go away, and you and

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Speaker 1: I will still be discussing it for some months still

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Speaker 1: to come.

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Speaker 2: She's I hope not. I'm done with it. I'm so

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Speaker 2: sick of it.

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Speaker 1: Sorry. I was about to say, if not years and

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Speaker 1: possibly decades, so then.

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Speaker 2: We go, I know, don't do that to me, right.

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Speaker 1: Nicola Willis made some statements of Wellington Airport today. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that in a few moments time. But she

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Speaker 1: has also indicated that certainly the sale of state owned

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Speaker 1: assets are not off the table.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Yeah, it was an interesting comment by her because

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Speaker 2: privatization was that, you'll remember a key theme from David

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Speaker 2: Seymour's speech on Friday, and I'm sure doubt you're no

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Speaker 2: doubt aware of that. It has fully reignited the debate

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Speaker 2: around asset sales in New Zealand, which has got the

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Speaker 2: usual suspects all up in arms about it. It's in fact,

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Speaker 2: the Green Party has written a letter to the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister to quote put this issue to bed once and

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Speaker 2: for all by him ruling out states or the sale

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Speaker 2: of public service. This is in key infrastructure. They feel

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Speaker 2: like the Prime Minister's not been entirely truthful in this debate,

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Speaker 2: especially given this interaction in the House in October last year.

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Speaker 5: Are the government's choices to underfund critical infrastructure like our hospitals,

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Speaker 5: our schools and our theories essentially just setting them up

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Speaker 5: to fail to pave the way for an eventual sell

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Speaker 5: off of these crucial assets that we all own.

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Speaker 1: The members in a very dark and conspiratorial mood today,

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Speaker 1: I just say, I don't know that.

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Speaker 4: We have no plans to do any asset sales.

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Speaker 2: So we have no plans to do any asset sales.

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Speaker 2: But contrast that with what Nikola Willis said just this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: For some context, she was asked about a piece of

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Speaker 2: work the Treasure is undertaken to draw up a proposed

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Speaker 2: statement of sale for state owned enterprises owned by the Crown.

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Speaker 2: Here's what she said when asked about the progress of

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Speaker 2: this work.

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Speaker 6: We have asked the Treasury to look at the assets

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Speaker 6: the government owns and ask itself whether we're doing a

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Speaker 6: good job managing them, why we own them, and whether

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Speaker 6: they're delivering well to their purpose. And they have identified

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Speaker 6: some areas where they think that the entity is no

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Speaker 6: longer delivering as well as it should to its purpose

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Speaker 6: and where we should consider other ways of managing that

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Speaker 6: seat and getting more from it. And we will have

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Speaker 6: more to say about NASH.

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Speaker 2: So that does not sound very in line with that.

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Speaker 1: We have no plans to do any sse at sales.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Nicola Willis actually went further when she was

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Speaker 2: asked about a line in David Seymour's speech about Quotable Value,

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Speaker 2: which is a company owned by QVO, owned by guess mate.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to it right after six, so I'll put

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Speaker 1: that to it, and I thank you for your time today,

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Speaker 1: mister worker Jason Walls.

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